@@afm571 The comp is great and worked exactly how it was planned, the best part of the comp is when you can replace the scouts with lings and queens with archons.
Kerrigan is a class 12 psionic waveform in WoL, but in HoTS post primal transformation, an adjutant rates her as 'immeasurable' in the battlecruiser mission featuring matt horner and skippy, and it's probably only below Tosh, the supreme psionic being, during the last mission of the epilogue, which thankfully will never be canon in my eyes.
I can imagine the Dominion looking at the psionic reports and are like "What's the point in these classifications if you're just going to say "They're immeasurable!" Sigh... we have Class 12 for a reason and Kerrigan goes ahead and breaks it again!"
@@HellecticMojo Not sure if its what you meant, but now I'm picturing an infant overmind in a high chair with Tassadar feeding it with a carrier spoon.
There's also the one where they have the Scout own all things flying until it attacks the ground to which even a Ghost (which had locked down the Carrier) starts laughing at the pathetic damage it does.
@@TheHalogen131 Even though I don't play much Starcraft, I felt really bad for the Carrier commander when he got hit with Lockdown. I was like "Yup... might as well get some shut-eye seeing how long that takes... at least it wasn't Stasis..."
I don't like the idea that you call the Overmind the 'villain'. To me what I loved so much about Sc1 is you get to play as almost everyone. You get to play as the Overmind, as the UED, as Kerrigan, as the Conclave, all of which are villains in someone's eyes. So introducing a character who ultimately gets nothing done I think is almost very smart. The second Overmind was created as a desperate attempt by the cerebrates to reform the Zerg after their crushing defeat, naturally it was when the Zerg were in a very weak state and everyone ganged up on them. I love this, it shows how strategy and mistakes play a big role in the Sc universe. If you invade Auir and lose, you are in a horrible position! It sets up a common enemy for Kerrigan to use to trick the Protoss and Terrans into helping her. For me, the characters interacting, betraying and teaming up for reasons which make sense (even it was ultimately the wrong decision) is just an awesome way to tell a story!
Technically, you don't play as the Overmind, you play as his Cerebrate. The Overmind is absolutely a villain. His goal (as stated by the, admittedly biased Zeratul) is to use the Zerg to scour sentient life from the universe. Or replace the Xel'naga/Hybrids in doing whatever it is their goal is. It is fair to disagree with Grant's view of "another Overmind" being a bit contrived, and is a weak face to the opposing force. Kerrigan is basically asking them to smother it in its crib, which doesn't make for a well developed character, unless that baby's name is Harry Potter. I agree that the contrivance of "oh, a bunch of cerebrates can join together and just make a new Overmind if they want" does do what it needs to to motivate the politics of the story and make varied missions reasonable to string together. It does serve to develop everyone acting on the Overmindling.
The invasion of Aiur by the Zerg was itself a devestating blow to the Protoss as well. They were caught by surprise and many Protoss died trying to defend Aiur.
@@LibertyMonk I mean, most animals on the planet probably consider humanity an evil hive mind scouring life from their natural habitats. Plenty of animals entirely change their behaviour in response to even the sound of human voices, changing their hunting patterns, shifting their grazing. We have always taken steps towards the top of the food chain when we can, but we're just an animal out for its best interests. The Zerg do much the same, led by a central authority figure, spreading territory and displacing or consuming native life. Presumably, however, the Zerg can't kill everything, it would be stupid to do so, after all, living things must eat. If the original Overmind is a villain, humanity's current course is one of villainy, too. It's just very, very blatant about it, unlike people.
7:51 Gametes are haploid male/female cells. That is to say sperm cells and egg cells. So, when you say "Let's keep our gametes going!" you're basically saying...
The second Overmind is less of a villain (Or even a character) and more of a plot device. It gives the characters a reason to trust Kerrigan and the UED a way to control the Zerg and force everyone to work together. It would be cool if, say, the new Overmind WAS Daggoth, his personality overwriting the other cerebrates upon merging so that it could have some character, but I guess they wanted to focus on Kerrigan and her pranks instead of fleshing out something that only shows up three times.
while daggoth orchestrated the formation of the new overmind, he's not actually part of it iirc he remains separate to continue his duty, and his brood's duty, as the overmind's praetorian guard.
20:09 Ghost Kerrigan was probably a class 9ish Psionic, but was elevated to 10 when she got zergified. I'd imagine Cerebrates are class 10 or so, with the Overmind being 11 (off the 10 point scale). Removing the ghost conditioning probably got Kerrigan close to 11, and the Overmind's death surely let her express class 11 abilities. Killing the UED's Overmind, granting her uncontested control of the swarm made her a class 12. Primalizing herself in the first spawning pool would have unlocked another class bump, as would all the other collection of levels.
The Overmind is only a disappointment if you consider *it* to be the intended antagonist of Brood War. Which is pretty clearly actually Kerrigan. I mean, the New Overmind basically just gets bodied by every faction in the game before dying as a slave of the UED. It's a pawn to be fought over by other factions, never allowed to reach its potential.
This. The new overmind is an *inciting incident*, not an antagonist. It's the stolen Death Star plans (or i guess the Death Star itself), not Darth Vader. It has no agency, it might not even be sapient yet.
You guys can't fool me that scouts are bad, I just rewatched ASL finals, and there were 2 scouts made in a single game. They even won that game (stopped Terran from building proxy turrets). Basically best unit in the game.
I was always weirded out by this mission. Zeratul was right there with the expeditionary force, why not use those several minutes when the zerg were pacified to warp in the old man and bop the new Overmind for good?
Lore-wise, zeratul has an arm-dagger. The overmind is fat. Remember it took a carrier direct hit to take down the first. The lore for this mission is this is a small expeditionary force, not enough to kill anything serious.
@@Salted_Fysh So why give the player the choice to attack the Overmind at all? It's the part where lore is at odds with the gameplay, and I was never a fan of "it's explained in a book" approach.
It's more of a disconnect between the gameplay (you kill cerebrates and Overmind 2 the same way -- with DTs) and the story as told in mission briefings & the final cut scene of the first campaign. It probably would have worked better if there was a cerebrate instead, which you could kill with DTs to make the defense of the crystal stunned, disorganised, or debuffed (e.g. lose upgrades). Then (much like the UED missions on Korhal), the game could remember which win condition you went for. Perhaps the cerebrate is Daggoth. When you return to Char in the Zerg campaign, if Daggoth lived he sends hunter killers. If he died, a different cerebrate is there and sends, say, Queen/Muta/Devourer
I rarely have one of those "screaming at the screen" moments, and then figuring out the composition went like this: GGG: "Hmm....I'm just gonna go zerglings." Me: "After talking how horrible lurkers are to ground units? Okay... I'm listening..." GGG: "So now I need some protoss unit that costs gas..." Me: "High Templar?! That's actually a very fun idea!" GGG: "Hmm... and I need something that can attack air" Me: "Yes, yes, Archons, just do archons! THEY HIT AIR!!!!" GGG: "I dunno... what units cost gas... Arbiters?" Me: ".......... really?!" GGG: "Or maybe I'm just supposed to do pure zerg! cause zerg units are very good!" *pauses video, takes a deep breath, comes back to vent in the comments and then resume* As I'm writing this I actually have no idea of the composition you are going for (and no I wasn't suggesting Archon + zerglings is the best composition here, I'm a terrible SC player).
The path southward is actually really poorly defended on this mission. A handful of dropped Lings and Hydras on that upper cliff to kill all the spores provides a straight shot for a Dropperlord to drop a Drone on the objective.
Was just watching your WoL Reversed playlist while waiting for this to come out, and wanted to let you know that the next mission (Moebius Factor) just released!
So why didn't they just have Zeratul walk up to the Overmind go stabby stabby and nip that problem right in the bud? Is there some shortage of dark templar in the fleet that we're simply unaware of? Also on the subject of cross species compositions, I can't help but feel that medic+any zerg composition would be fairly powerful.
Because Blizzard sucks at story and gameplay integration. Especially with star-craft. The protoss are supposed to be few in number but individually strong but all their important units that you are supposed to protect are robots. And most of their biological (actual protoss) units are sacrificed very regularly. This also goes into the lore in which a void ray is 600 hundred meters but in gameplay it's about the size of two stalkers.
Oh, man, the mission that made me ragequit Mass Recall after failing so many times. It's honestly kind of a relief to see Grant struggle with this too.
"Class 12 psionic wave-form detected. The Queen of Blades has arrived." As far as I'm aware the "class x" system is poorly defined at best. "Psionic wave-form" is whatever kooky brainwaves psionics output
Corsair/Muta works great if you're going straight for the crystal. Mass disruption web on the spore colonies, good scourge and anti-air deterrent. Also great for defending attacks with disruption on the ground while mutas take them out. Easy to deal with lurkers as well.
I know it's not important and nobody cares, but the proper plural of Nexus is actually Nexuses or Nexus (because languages are weird, i guess). ----------------------------- It's great to see that you are having a blast with Mass Recall.
@@ChristopherCubbage well, the dictionary disagrees with the wiki ;-) Nexus is the Latin plural. Nexuses is English. Nexi technically doesn't exist. The wiki lists SC2 LotV Collection - Skins tab as their source, but I didn't find any mention of nexi, the descriptions of the nexus skins use universally "nexuses". I cannot make any statement about some lines from the game, might be totally possible that someone at some point uses Nexi, I don't know. This discussion is just for fun anyways and I don't think it's that important, but thanks for your friendly response.
Does anyone believe, that one such as i, who sucks very hard in RTS so he only plays on easy can enjoy Mass Recall on the easy difficulty? Because i don't think i can controlling 2 forces at once but i really want to play it.
You can do what Grant did here for his second attempt. Basic Zerg comps on SC1 are A-move friendly (Hydras are busted, but Lings are far more busted), and with the QoL improvements of SC2 controlling masses of Zerg is really easy (SC1 doesn't have F2, or the ability to select/hotkey multiple structures, and SC1 only selects up to 12 units). This mission does not incentivize you to go heavily on the other Zerg units (no Hive tech, and the million Spore Colonies on the map dissuade you from Mutalisks). Or you can treat this as a Protoss-only mission still (who have all options except for Dark Archons), with the Zerg only there to provide Drones for saturation. Still gotta defend the first Zerg base and the nearby expansion though, you will need the gas. TL;DR: either go Protoss only or mass basic Zerg.
It was a good idea to make an Artanis portrait. He's too young at these stage and his LOTV portrait just doesn't fit him. Aaaaand he's missing his nerve cord *again*
Me, who for some reason remembers the difference between mitosis and meiosis frm HS, 10 years ago: man grant got it all wrong Joking around, great content dude!
I really wish Daggoth actually said anything in BW. Berating Kerrigan for betrayal, his strategy, how he dealt with the loss, etc. It'd make the new overmind so much better than a giant hit me sign in each campaign.
Don't you have a segment with enslaved overmind in the UED campaign to play as Zerg/Terran? Well u can always build dark archons and mind control enemy workers)
The premise of this one always bothered me a bit lore-wise, because the whole idea with the campaign as Zeratul had said it was that they needed to secure the crystals and save Shakuras, "not assault the new Overmind" - yet one of the options here is to do exactly that. Also, with this "baby Overmind" being what it is, I feel like if you're able to get to it and attack it, that Zeratul could probably just use his dark templar power to kill it outright (you know, like he -spoiler alert- does later).
as it stands I don't see second overmind as a character so much as a plot device, its purpose is to drive conflict by existing, keep kerrigan from commanding the swarm, serve as a prize for the UED to fight for, and by extension enhance the UED's threat by granting it control of the swarm. it is given no personality or character traits, but as a McGuffan it serves its role better then many others.
They note that Kerrigan is a P12 in Wings of Liberty. It's a reference to the 90s sci-fi show Babylon 5, which Star Trek: Deep Space 9 began as a rip-off of.
So the comp in the end was (lore wise) the throw away mass unite and the highest commitment literal sucicde by merging for the greater good on the battelfield unite. Nice
It's a shame we don't have Hive tech in this mission, I would love to flood the enemy with cracklings, those are seriously busted. Just finished the mission by turtling up with Spores, Hydras and Lings, while fighting with a Zealot based army against the Overmind.
The Protoss have all their Dark Templar friends. Why can't they just DT the Overmind on this mission and save themselves all the trouble? Especially since that's how you kill it later!
@@Salted_Fysh True, but this small strike force still manages to reach all the way right up to the overmind and give it a bad concussion while not letting Zeratul even stab it a few times. All the zerg around it was pacified for several minutes which should have been plenty of time to slash it (and the surrounding zerg) and then still getting away.
Defiler, Archon would proably be really good though its so exspencive, but plague only damaged health and archons have to little that dark plague on it does not matter to it
I had to look up meiosis to remember what that was (it's the process that makes gametes, (basically mitosis with extra steps)) but I remember what gametes are. they're sperm and egg cells
So at this point why don't they just kill the second overmind? They have both flavors of templar and the queen of blades here, it's not capable of actually doing anything yet, and aside from maybe Duran I can't think of anybody in the group who doesn't want the thing dead...
My big criticism of SC1 is that are soooo many borderline unusable garbage units. Queens, Scouts, Wraiths, Valkyries (kinda), Guardians, Devourers, Firebats, Reavers without Shuttles. Like 1/3 of the units are just bad.
I may not remember the difference between meiosis and mitosis, but I do know who Artosis is. And that's all the matters also I don't like Artosis. what a big whiny weenie man
Grant: "Im going scout/queen
Me: *looks at timestamps, 2 attempts, 30 minute video* "yeah thats about right"
Just two attempts? I call shenanigans!
@@afm571 The comp is great and worked exactly how it was planned, the best part of the comp is when you can replace the scouts with lings and queens with archons.
@@movedxylophone Interesting tech swaps there. I didn't realize lings were as powerful as scouts. Will keep that in mind in my playthrough. :)
@@afm571 No, they are straight up better.
"we're gonna play a little bit of zerg-toss"
I think they're called hybrid
Kerrigan is a class 12 psionic waveform in WoL, but in HoTS post primal transformation, an adjutant rates her as 'immeasurable' in the battlecruiser mission featuring matt horner and skippy, and it's probably only below Tosh, the supreme psionic being, during the last mission of the epilogue, which thankfully will never be canon in my eyes.
I can imagine the Dominion looking at the psionic reports and are like "What's the point in these classifications if you're just going to say "They're immeasurable!" Sigh... we have Class 12 for a reason and Kerrigan goes ahead and breaks it again!"
supreme what now
@@rigen97 Gabriel Tosh, the Supreme psionic being, so powerful he and his entire faction had to be removed from the game for balance reasons.
@@brimbrim5389 what
I am pretty sure it’s scooter not skippy
Grant, the overmind is literally a toddler, don't bully him
The Overmind is four orphans in a trenchcoat. XD
Kick the baby!
@@ironmilutin Don't kick the goddamned baby!
Here comes the Gantrithor 2.0
@@HellecticMojo Not sure if its what you meant, but now I'm picturing an infant overmind in a high chair with Tassadar feeding it with a carrier spoon.
The conversation between Zeratul and Artanis is a hood classic "bro-toss" moment indeed.
> sees Attempt 1 and 2 chapters
> better buckle up it's gonna be a big one!
"We could make Queen/Scout/Corsair, and it might be good!"
Attempt 1/2.
@@TheBookOfAkersGaming hey it's the real book of eli!
Zeratul really is the only one character in fiction who Can say "im old so shut the fuck up" and win all arguments
real reason why aldaris didnt fuck with zeratul is because he oneshots high templar
@@SylvisNuvara Facts
Every time I see scouts fighting ground units, I am reminded of Starcrafts Mothership core hitting ping pong balls as its attack.
There's also the one where they have the Scout own all things flying until it attacks the ground to which even a Ghost (which had locked down the Carrier) starts laughing at the pathetic damage it does.
I'm reminded of CarbotAnimation's episode where everybody was laughing at the scout. Even a Corsair pilot
@@TheHalogen131
Even though I don't play much Starcraft, I felt really bad for the Carrier commander when he got hit with Lockdown. I was like "Yup... might as well get some shut-eye seeing how long that takes... at least it wasn't Stasis..."
@@stylesrj Stasis would be preferable, at least then you can't be hurt
I don't like the idea that you call the Overmind the 'villain'. To me what I loved so much about Sc1 is you get to play as almost everyone. You get to play as the Overmind, as the UED, as Kerrigan, as the Conclave, all of which are villains in someone's eyes. So introducing a character who ultimately gets nothing done I think is almost very smart.
The second Overmind was created as a desperate attempt by the cerebrates to reform the Zerg after their crushing defeat, naturally it was when the Zerg were in a very weak state and everyone ganged up on them. I love this, it shows how strategy and mistakes play a big role in the Sc universe. If you invade Auir and lose, you are in a horrible position!
It sets up a common enemy for Kerrigan to use to trick the Protoss and Terrans into helping her. For me, the characters interacting, betraying and teaming up for reasons which make sense (even it was ultimately the wrong decision) is just an awesome way to tell a story!
Technically, you don't play as the Overmind, you play as his Cerebrate. The Overmind is absolutely a villain. His goal (as stated by the, admittedly biased Zeratul) is to use the Zerg to scour sentient life from the universe. Or replace the Xel'naga/Hybrids in doing whatever it is their goal is.
It is fair to disagree with Grant's view of "another Overmind" being a bit contrived, and is a weak face to the opposing force. Kerrigan is basically asking them to smother it in its crib, which doesn't make for a well developed character, unless that baby's name is Harry Potter. I agree that the contrivance of "oh, a bunch of cerebrates can join together and just make a new Overmind if they want" does do what it needs to to motivate the politics of the story and make varied missions reasonable to string together. It does serve to develop everyone acting on the Overmindling.
The invasion of Aiur by the Zerg was itself a devestating blow to the Protoss as well. They were caught by surprise and many Protoss died trying to defend Aiur.
@@LibertyMonk I mean, most animals on the planet probably consider humanity an evil hive mind scouring life from their natural habitats. Plenty of animals entirely change their behaviour in response to even the sound of human voices, changing their hunting patterns, shifting their grazing. We have always taken steps towards the top of the food chain when we can, but we're just an animal out for its best interests. The Zerg do much the same, led by a central authority figure, spreading territory and displacing or consuming native life. Presumably, however, the Zerg can't kill everything, it would be stupid to do so, after all, living things must eat.
If the original Overmind is a villain, humanity's current course is one of villainy, too. It's just very, very blatant about it, unlike people.
@@TheHazelnoot Implying that animals have a concept of morality.
7:51 Gametes are haploid male/female cells. That is to say sperm cells and egg cells.
So, when you say "Let's keep our gametes going!" you're basically saying...
Yeah, I was going to say that Grant came up with possibly one of the most upsetting pick-up lines.
gotta make sure the plumbing's in good working order
The second Overmind is less of a villain (Or even a character) and more of a plot device. It gives the characters a reason to trust Kerrigan and the UED a way to control the Zerg and force everyone to work together. It would be cool if, say, the new Overmind WAS Daggoth, his personality overwriting the other cerebrates upon merging so that it could have some character, but I guess they wanted to focus on Kerrigan and her pranks instead of fleshing out something that only shows up three times.
while daggoth orchestrated the formation of the new overmind, he's not actually part of it iirc
he remains separate to continue his duty, and his brood's duty, as the overmind's praetorian guard.
20:09 Ghost Kerrigan was probably a class 9ish Psionic, but was elevated to 10 when she got zergified. I'd imagine Cerebrates are class 10 or so, with the Overmind being 11 (off the 10 point scale). Removing the ghost conditioning probably got Kerrigan close to 11, and the Overmind's death surely let her express class 11 abilities. Killing the UED's Overmind, granting her uncontested control of the swarm made her a class 12. Primalizing herself in the first spawning pool would have unlocked another class bump, as would all the other collection of levels.
The Overmind is only a disappointment if you consider *it* to be the intended antagonist of Brood War. Which is pretty clearly actually Kerrigan. I mean, the New Overmind basically just gets bodied by every faction in the game before dying as a slave of the UED. It's a pawn to be fought over by other factions, never allowed to reach its potential.
This. The new overmind is an *inciting incident*, not an antagonist. It's the stolen Death Star plans (or i guess the Death Star itself), not Darth Vader.
It has no agency, it might not even be sapient yet.
If Valkyries don't work due to the same maths error the Corsair has, then the opening to UED Mission 6 is going to be very interesting
Mandatory comment saying I love this playthrough and thank you so much for all the content you provide.
You guys can't fool me that scouts are bad, I just rewatched ASL finals, and there were 2 scouts made in a single game. They even won that game (stopped Terran from building proxy turrets). Basically best unit in the game.
It's not that protoss has more friends, it's more of a protoss always need help from other races.
He did it
HE acualy did it
He started loading mission before all the introducion stuff
What do you mean you don't play as Terran Zerg? I infest Command Centers all the time!
... Oh.
let's be real, the best part of protoss mass recall is seeing Artanis64
I was always weirded out by this mission. Zeratul was right there with the expeditionary force, why not use those several minutes when the zerg were pacified to warp in the old man and bop the new Overmind for good?
Lore-wise, zeratul has an arm-dagger. The overmind is fat.
Remember it took a carrier direct hit to take down the first. The lore for this mission is this is a small expeditionary force, not enough to kill anything serious.
@@Salted_Fysh So why give the player the choice to attack the Overmind at all? It's the part where lore is at odds with the gameplay, and I was never a fan of "it's explained in a book" approach.
It's more of a disconnect between the gameplay (you kill cerebrates and Overmind 2 the same way -- with DTs) and the story as told in mission briefings & the final cut scene of the first campaign.
It probably would have worked better if there was a cerebrate instead, which you could kill with DTs to make the defense of the crystal stunned, disorganised, or debuffed (e.g. lose upgrades).
Then (much like the UED missions on Korhal), the game could remember which win condition you went for. Perhaps the cerebrate is Daggoth. When you return to Char in the Zerg campaign, if Daggoth lived he sends hunter killers. If he died, a different cerebrate is there and sends, say, Queen/Muta/Devourer
@@alessandrocavicchioli7557 Zeratul does slice that overmind apart later on though....
Finally: the Scout/Queen/Sair content I’ve been looking for
2:40 you play against a terran-zerg team after the ued takes the overmind.
Spoilers :P
@@eagle_and_the_dragon You're also using Duran during the ued campaign. Is he considered zerg? Or xelnaga?
Does that SCV with the psi emiter count?
I rarely have one of those "screaming at the screen" moments, and then figuring out the composition went like this:
GGG: "Hmm....I'm just gonna go zerglings."
Me: "After talking how horrible lurkers are to ground units? Okay... I'm listening..."
GGG: "So now I need some protoss unit that costs gas..."
Me: "High Templar?! That's actually a very fun idea!"
GGG: "Hmm... and I need something that can attack air"
Me: "Yes, yes, Archons, just do archons! THEY HIT AIR!!!!"
GGG: "I dunno... what units cost gas... Arbiters?"
Me: ".......... really?!"
GGG: "Or maybe I'm just supposed to do pure zerg! cause zerg units are very good!"
*pauses video, takes a deep breath, comes back to vent in the comments and then resume*
As I'm writing this I actually have no idea of the composition you are going for (and no I wasn't suggesting Archon + zerglings is the best composition here, I'm a terrible SC player).
The path southward is actually really poorly defended on this mission. A handful of dropped Lings and Hydras on that upper cliff to kill all the spores provides a straight shot for a Dropperlord to drop a Drone on the objective.
Was just watching your WoL Reversed playlist while waiting for this to come out, and wanted to let you know that the next mission (Moebius Factor) just released!
Mixing Zerglings with Protoss units seems real nice
The irony of you finally going full air and then being decimated by ground attacks. :)
So why didn't they just have Zeratul walk up to the Overmind go stabby stabby and nip that problem right in the bud? Is there some shortage of dark templar in the fleet that we're simply unaware of?
Also on the subject of cross species compositions, I can't help but feel that medic+any zerg composition would be fairly powerful.
@@StarshadowMelody Yet Kerrigan has Zeratual kill the overmind latter with just a regular psi blade. It’s a pretty big plot hole.
Because Blizzard sucks at story and gameplay integration. Especially with star-craft. The protoss are supposed to be few in number but individually strong but all their important units that you are supposed to protect are robots. And most of their biological (actual protoss) units are sacrificed very regularly. This also goes into the lore in which a void ray is 600 hundred meters but in gameplay it's about the size of two stalkers.
Grant: Im going scout queen for an awesome air army
Mutalisk: Am I a joke to you?
Oh, man, the mission that made me ragequit Mass Recall after failing so many times. It's honestly kind of a relief to see Grant struggle with this too.
the answer to ur struggle is mass muta lol
"Class 12 psionic wave-form detected. The Queen of Blades has arrived."
As far as I'm aware the "class x" system is poorly defined at best.
"Psionic wave-form" is whatever kooky brainwaves psionics output
Attempt one had all those lovely static defenses. Every one of them too late. Oh well.
Corsair/Muta works great if you're going straight for the crystal. Mass disruption web on the spore colonies, good scourge and anti-air deterrent. Also great for defending attacks with disruption on the ground while mutas take them out. Easy to deal with lurkers as well.
I know it's not important and nobody cares, but the proper plural of Nexus is actually Nexuses or Nexus (because languages are weird, i guess).
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It's great to see that you are having a blast with Mass Recall.
They use multiple wordings of it throughout Starcraft I've heard, for instance Raynor says "Nexi" at some point
For reference starcraft wiki says: "The nexus (plural nexi, nexus, or nexuses) is the heart of a protoss base"
But for specifics sake since it's a latin word absorbed into the english language it follows the english rules, indeed making it Nexuses
@@ChristopherCubbage don't they use all versions in Safe Haven?
@@ChristopherCubbage well, the dictionary disagrees with the wiki ;-)
Nexus is the Latin plural. Nexuses is English.
Nexi technically doesn't exist.
The wiki lists SC2 LotV Collection - Skins tab as their source, but I didn't find any mention of nexi, the descriptions of the nexus skins use universally "nexuses".
I cannot make any statement about some lines from the game, might be totally possible that someone at some point uses Nexi, I don't know.
This discussion is just for fun anyways and I don't think it's that important, but thanks for your friendly response.
Does anyone believe, that one such as i, who sucks very hard in RTS so he only plays on easy can enjoy Mass Recall on the easy difficulty?
Because i don't think i can controlling 2 forces at once but i really want to play it.
You can do what Grant did here for his second attempt. Basic Zerg comps on SC1 are A-move friendly (Hydras are busted, but Lings are far more busted), and with the QoL improvements of SC2 controlling masses of Zerg is really easy (SC1 doesn't have F2, or the ability to select/hotkey multiple structures, and SC1 only selects up to 12 units). This mission does not incentivize you to go heavily on the other Zerg units (no Hive tech, and the million Spore Colonies on the map dissuade you from Mutalisks).
Or you can treat this as a Protoss-only mission still (who have all options except for Dark Archons), with the Zerg only there to provide Drones for saturation. Still gotta defend the first Zerg base and the nearby expansion though, you will need the gas.
TL;DR: either go Protoss only or mass basic Zerg.
16:20 Wrong, it's not just Zerglings with another unit, it's Zerglings with cloaking, which equals literal nightmare fuel
wasn't cracklings though but Grant just loves his zerglings
To quote South Park - "Kick the baby!"
It was a good idea to make an Artanis portrait. He's too young at these stage and his LOTV portrait just doesn't fit him.
Aaaaand he's missing his nerve cord *again*
Super unique mission design indeed!!!
The UED, on the other hand, *really* play Zerg/Terran!
Me, who for some reason remembers the difference between mitosis and meiosis frm HS, 10 years ago: man grant got it all wrong
Joking around, great content dude!
was really thinking the scout speech was going to be a bait & switch with mutalisks
this was the only mission I had fun with in the protoss campaign, and I played mass hydra
I really wish Daggoth actually said anything in BW. Berating Kerrigan for betrayal, his strategy, how he dealt with the loss, etc. It'd make the new overmind so much better than a giant hit me sign in each campaign.
I actually watched this during biology
Don't you have a segment with enslaved overmind in the UED campaign to play as Zerg/Terran?
Well u can always build dark archons and mind control enemy workers)
No, the campaign ends once you enslave the overmind. The AI gets to play as Terran/Zerg in Queen of Blades.
Sorry it didnt work out but i appreciate the funny builds! Always a joy to see what you come up with
Kerrigan is Terran-Zerg, obviously.
Pretty sure the best answer to Zerglings is simply a larger group of Zerglings.
Absolutely loving the Starfleet uniform you're wearing, Grant.
I think the khalis is just blue solarite
The premise of this one always bothered me a bit lore-wise, because the whole idea with the campaign as Zeratul had said it was that they needed to secure the crystals and save Shakuras, "not assault the new Overmind" - yet one of the options here is to do exactly that. Also, with this "baby Overmind" being what it is, I feel like if you're able to get to it and attack it, that Zeratul could probably just use his dark templar power to kill it outright (you know, like he -spoiler alert- does later).
I may repeat myself, but shield upgrades are really good a gainst Zerglings...
I completely forgot this mission existed
as it stands I don't see second overmind as a character so much as a plot device, its purpose is to drive conflict by existing, keep kerrigan from commanding the swarm, serve as a prize for the UED to fight for, and by extension enhance the UED's threat by granting it control of the swarm. it is given no personality or character traits, but as a McGuffan it serves its role better then many others.
They note that Kerrigan is a P12 in Wings of Liberty. It's a reference to the 90s sci-fi show Babylon 5, which Star Trek: Deep Space 9 began as a rip-off of.
So the comp in the end was (lore wise) the throw away mass unite and the highest commitment literal sucicde by merging for the greater good on the battelfield unite. Nice
surely it would be the Gantrifive now not the Gantrithor
Aren't Devourers capital ship killers and not an anti-muta measure?
I know Grant said it about a Zerg Queen, but I feel like 'keep our gametes going' should be the new, high-brow way of saying 'big dick energy.'
It's a shame we don't have Hive tech in this mission, I would love to flood the enemy with cracklings, those are seriously busted. Just finished the mission by turtling up with Spores, Hydras and Lings, while fighting with a Zealot based army against the Overmind.
the regular playthroughs are really fun, I do find myself asking " how would grant cheese this?" every single time though
There is one reason there never was a player controlled Terran/Zerg mission in all of Brood War:
Medic/Hydra
The Protoss have all their Dark Templar friends. Why can't they just DT the Overmind on this mission and save themselves all the trouble? Especially since that's how you kill it later!
That would be the smart thing to do, so clearly not possible.
@@Salted_Fysh True, but this small strike force still manages to reach all the way right up to the overmind and give it a bad concussion while not letting Zeratul even stab it a few times. All the zerg around it was pacified for several minutes which should have been plenty of time to slash it (and the surrounding zerg) and then still getting away.
@@Salted_Fysh Good point. A shame he can't blink yet.
@@Salted_Fysh zeratal literally kills it himself in the zerg campaign
I adore this series
If I recall there's scion province
Will you also play the Enslavers campaign one day? (not sure if there's one remade for sc2)
30:01 The Perfect Ending
Defiler, Archon would proably be really good though its so exspencive, but plague only damaged health and archons have to little that dark plague on it does not matter to it
I dun know why the Zerg can't be controlled like the Purrtoss in this mission (why neutral?).
I had to look up meiosis to remember what that was (it's the process that makes gametes, (basically mitosis with extra steps))
but I remember what gametes are. they're sperm and egg cells
Queens would be great for the lurkers and ultras.
I love that mission
So at this point why don't they just kill the second overmind? They have both flavors of templar and the queen of blades here, it's not capable of actually doing anything yet, and aside from maybe Duran I can't think of anybody in the group who doesn't want the thing dead...
I would like to let protoss do mineral things and make zerdogs and archons!!
I feel scammed 😆 where is the mass scout mass queen we were promised !
Hydra with Zealots maybe?
Why can't we just steer Gantrithor the Second into collision course to the Overmind the Second?
Seems appropriate.
Or Protoss is so scrub they need all the help :P
There are no crystal names. You refer to solorite by its color unless you're a cop. That is blue solorite, not Khalis.
Random comment for channel interaction.
En Taro Giantgrantar
I believed
Can the next challenge be, Can you complete Mass Recall with only Scouts?
Reaver-hydra.
My big criticism of SC1 is that are soooo many borderline unusable garbage units. Queens, Scouts, Wraiths, Valkyries (kinda), Guardians, Devourers, Firebats, Reavers without Shuttles. Like 1/3 of the units are just bad.
I may not remember the difference between meiosis and mitosis, but I do know who Artosis is. And that's all the matters
also I don't like Artosis. what a big whiny weenie man
also Kerrigan was class 12. From what I know of the lore humans can only get up to level 10*
I never understand the objectif of damaging the overmind. If you can damage it enough, why not killing it with Dt ? Plot Hole ? Sounds dumb to me
not even ling scouts smfh
Ahem its ACTUALLY pronounced Gam-EAT meiosis. pf pathetic.