Should You Upgrade from Lumix S5 to the Lumix S5II? Worth it?
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2024
- Should you upgrade from a Pansonic Lumix S5 to a Lumix S5II? Is the upgrade Worth it?
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Video Chapters:
00:00 - About
00:15 - Positive Common Ground
01:21 - Battery and Power Options
01:48 - Phase Hybrid Autofocus
03:06 - S5 vs S5II Recording Resolutions & Limits
04:40 - HDMI Ports
05:43 - IBIS vs Active IS
06:17 - Active Cooling
06:57 - My S5 Multi-Camera Setup
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Thank you for this simple comparison. Will stick to my S5 as I have not yet tapped all of it's potential, but likely would have grabbed S5 II if I were buying just now.
Delightful as always :-) If someone is on the S5 and needed that video auto-focus, this is the easiest upgrade in the market. I feel like a camera is much less of a commitment than lenses, and being able to keep all of your lenses, and shift the old camera to either a backup, or sell it to reduce the cost of the upgrade is a great thing. I've still got my G85 in the closet, just in case, and my G9 is my work/ vacation camera. (I do online training.) The S5ii seems great, but I'm really hoping for a MFT upgraded option too so that I can keep using the lenses I've already invested in 😀.
Definitely better auto focus, even if not always needed it's better to have than to have not. Good follow through from the last S5 video. Good work Shane.😊
Hey Geeky Nerdy Techy - your channel is one of my favorites for S5 content. (I am subscribed)
Last year I got the Lumix S5 I but have started learning how to operate it this January.
There is still so much to lean and I am enjoying the camera.
I bought it knowing the AF limitations. And thanks to your videos in part I was reassured that the AF is OK and not great. It is in no way trash just not usable for certain use cases.
If there is a good deal on Black Friday 2023 I will probably get the S5 II X for the ProRes and the Auto Focus. I will not be selling my S5 Mark I.
If there are no good deals for Black Friday 2023 I am in no rush. And I am interested for the new S1 II and S1H II
If the S1 II has a flip out screen, 4K60 in Full Frame (even in 8 bit) and an improved sensor for up to 3000 USD Maybe I will get an S1 II
The only reason I can think of that I NEED (not want) good AF is that as I am a social dancer and I want videos of me dancing I can hand someone the camera with AFC and the person just has to NOT drop it lol
Thank you for this comparison! I was using the S1 and original GH5 for my work, now I've sold the GH5 and planning to get the S5IIX later this year
Just few things to correct, the S5 has USB C power delivery and the S5 II has external raw recording but you need to buy it separately to unlock it.
Great review, it has some great insights. I preordered the S5IIx, because I think it is kot worth it paying the extra for the external recording, while you can pay the same price for the 5IIx, and it gives you even more.
Hi Shane, first I'd like to say how great your channel is and how you have such postivity* which is a real asset. Your mix of explaining and talking indoors mixed with seeing examples from outdoors or your working with cameras outside is good and pedagogical. Please keep up the good work (I've been a subscriber at least 18+ months).
To the cameras. I have mft lumix cameras & lenses so a switch to small format like S5 just isn't there because of among other reasons €$¥. I think I will wait and see when a G9 or G90 with phase detect and unlimited recording arrives and, until then, be happy with what I have. If I have to wait a long time for the mft equivalent then the S5ii with lenses would be pulling me in!
*even when you had the flippy screen incident.
Thanks for the kind words and for helping me learn a new word "pedagogical" I haven't looked up a word in a long time so you taught me something new and cool! The MFT system is excellent. This studio video was shot on the GH5S because the results are still excellent. I am hoping the G9 is the first of the new Phase Hybrid MFT cameras to come out followed by a G95 or GH5III (or something similar). I can say, the lenses for the L mount are excellent. They have no focus breathing and give excellent results.
I am hoping we hear something about a new AF system in MFT. I think it'll be a game changer for the system.
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It wasn't just this video today but many of your videos have been helpful to me and my comments were spontaneous where I felt it was about time for me to give you praise!
Great video! I use S5 and GH6 and am reluctant to switch out any of my S5’s. The S5IIX is the real upgrade to consider, or if any more S cameras are planned for this year.
Honestly I just bought the s5 . The autofocus is not as bad as people make it out to be . Now obviously i would have bought the s5ii if I knew it was coming out but I really don’t feel like I am missing much .
Thank you for showing 6K open gate vertical crop difference between S5 and S5 Mark II. 👍
Terrific comparison between the S5 and the S5 Mark II. I'm still loving the new autofocus on the S5-2 the magic for me is on that one :) Wonderful video, big thumbs UP 👍👍👍
Thanks, Peter. I’m looking forward to seeing one in the Christmas room at some point. Thanks for the kind words and support 👏
I am actually thinking of getting the S5 IIx with added features. This is the first generation Phase detect autofocus from Panasonic which will improve on future firmware updates. Question this is not the actual s5 II but the prerelease model? Cheers! BTW I agree with Peter Gregg I like your presentations of the S5 II videos for UA-cam. They are the best! Short and to the point.
Do you plan on upgrading from an S5 (or another camera) to the S5II? Here's my two cents after comparing and using both cameras. I hope this is helpful. 😊
00:00 - About
00:15 - Positive Common Ground
01:21 - Battery and Power Options
01:48 - Phase Hybrid Autofocus
03:06 - S5 vs S5II Recording Resolutions & Limits
04:40 - HDMI Ports
05:43 - IBIS vs Active IS
06:17 - Active Cooling
06:57 - My S5 Multi-Camera Setup
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I know it won't happen for a year or so, if it happens at all, but I hope so badly that Panasonic comes out with a compact S series camera body that has a design language similar to some of their compact G series cameras. Imagine a full frame GX85/9. I'd willingly take slightly worse IBIS, video recording limitations, etc. Coupled with the Sigma I series primes, that's a dream package for me.
I ordered the s5II for the af. Mostly do photography and don't have problem with decent lighting., But with faster lenses like the 50-1.8 mounted in indoor situations or other lower light situations the camera tends to hunt pretty much. Shooting alot in groups of people, and let some other people shoot with my camera also if they like to. If people don't know how to handle the af , most of the shots ain't good.
I had literally just bought the S5 before returning it to Amazon immediately after seeing the upgrade.. luckily it's Amazon and it was hassle free. Already pre ordered the mk II.
Good stuff, I am glad it worked out. I would have no doubt done exactly the same thing :)
thank you for your review. what about the features, the new S5ii has not longer? 😢i miss the precapture, live-composite and starry-af which i really enjoyed!
HI Shane, great video, great info, GAS enhancing 🙂. Have you already checked, if you can transfer the saved custom-settings of the S5 to an S5II via SD-Card. Take care...
Hi H. Arri. I haven't checked that out but usually it will only work from the same camera model to the same camera model. I don't think it will work between these two. I know the GH5 and GH5S/GH5II can't transfer the same settings.
if you want, is it possible to make a detailed video about the new s5ii AF?
Recommended settings for each possible situations.
Sure thing. That's a great idea. Stay tuned.
I want to upgrade to the s5 II but the discount on the s5 right now is lovely. I have a lumix G9 and I love it but I shoot a lot of concerts and was considering full frame giving that low light sometimes is an issue
Thanks for another down-to-earth review. Will S5 MkII replace GH5/GH6 as your travel camera choice (due to improved IBIS)? Also, how does Mkii compares with Mki for ISO / Noise ?
Thanks for the kind words, Mehmet. The S5II is a monster of a camera. Funnily enough we shot an episode of a show I do on another channel with the S5II and GH6 today and both cameras are great. I found the GH6 excelled with the 4K100/120p and the quality is superb. The S5II is a great all-rounder for regular frame rates where AF is importent. The GH6 image quality was so close to my eye that most people won't be able to see a difference (including me). :)
I'm getting the micro HDMI port fixed on my S5 because the gimbal and hdmi cord combo puts pressure on the port. That's super frustrating, so I'm super happy to upgrade and move the S5 to a less mobile/have cage on to prevent another repair bill type of scenario. The S5 doesn't feel usable to me with a gimbal, fast walking hand held, or without the ninja V.
I have the original S5 and it most definitely charges from a power bank. I have used it many times when doing time-lapse photography.
I ll probably buy a second hand S5 to use it with vintage lenses and i ll be waiting for a Lumix G9 ii :)
Can you show how to use s5ii with remote control or mobile. How can you start recording when you seat 2m away from the camera. It is important for solo content creators. Thank you
Hey
Definitely one S5ii probably X for me at least for hand held jobs and I will probably skip the GH6 even if I got plenty of MFT lenses...I love prores out of S5 original and Braw as well the image quality in Vlog is really great
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Looking at the first video samples it looks like the colors from the S5ii are very different from the S5 (both set to natural profile). Is it also true with the Raw still images? Thank you.
Hi Ludovic. Yes, some of the profiles look different. The Natural profile is quite a lot different and leans more towards red. I've given Panasonic the feedback on how to correct it, so we'll see if it's adjusted in a firmware update. There's also a sample clip of both cameras in my main review video showcasing the difference.
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I think I'm split in between keeping my mk 1 or trading it in for the S5 2X. As much as I don't use auto focus, there are admittedly times when it would be really nice to have.
I think most people will be in the boat. I know I don't really need to upgrade all of my S5's, but the urge is always there lol. If you at all need AF, the new one is a lot better. If you rarely use it, it might not be worth it.
For a minute, I thought Sony FX30 would be the best choice for budget shooters but I think the S5II has re-established Panasonic as the Prosumer king of video. Do people even say “prosumer” any more? Lol.
I hope they will add phase detection feature to GH5S Mark 2 or Gh6S cameras at the future. If they make this change to GHS series, all the rules will change...
Agreed! I would love to see this tech come to a new GH camera. If they do a new version of a GH5S I would be onboard. I shot this studio shot with a GH5s. They are great cameras.
Do you still think you'll keep/need your Sony kit?
Hi, i ordered S5ii then canceled after i realized the video is soft compared to A7S3 and A7IV in all the videos i watched. Yet no one is talking about that. Can you do a comparison comparing the sharoness and softeness compared to A7IV and A7S3. Maybe i missed something?
Great video, does S5ii has 4k live cropping like S5 and gh5 ?
Yes it does. All the studio shots of the camera where it moves was done using live crop.
what prime lens you have tried on S5Mark II? any recommendations for lens for L mount? including 28-70 sigma f2.8?
I’ve tried the 18, 24, 35, 50, and 85mm. They all perform great. I made a dedicated section in my review about those lenses. The best lens is the one you need. Start with the kit lens 20-60mm and then you’ll no doubt find which range to buy.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy very thoughtful response. thanks
My only worry as a hybrid shooter is the speed it will take to move from photo to video. Ive been told it can be set up to save shutter speed and aperture automatically when changing, so Im guessing it'll be ok.
You can easly change settings using the top dial or you can even record in the photo modes to a default profile (I think). I will need to check that but I am pretty sure you can do it.
This is not a problem. Should not come into your purchasing process whatsoever.
@@jessecumberledge4530 thanks Jesse - lots of YT influencers now asking for the shutter to cover the sensor - hopefully Panasonic will listen 👍
You don't think the S5 and S5ii can be tweaked to match in a multicam shoot? Any reason why? Before selling off my G85 to get a second S5, I was doing multicam with the G85, GH5 and the S5 without any problems other than the image quality between the G85 and the S5 was so huge. But color was very easy to match with a gray card.
The main reason is it’s expensive to swap. The 4 camera multicamera setup is paid for and it works great being I use manual focus. Just switching one for no reason makes no sense in that scenario. I’ll end up with two S5II cameras but mostly for either the studio I’m in or the handheld run and gun stuff
Hey. I film in HD more than 4K. What do you think of the 1080P quality up to 120FPS compared to the Sony A74, which i heared uses line skiping ?
I only had the A74 for a day before I returned it, so I'm not too sure. Panasonic has generally pretty solid HD. I put a lot of 120p footage in my review video so check that out (the one where I am holding a Gimbal on the thumbnail).
I bought the GH6 for the IBIS and the somewhat better autofocus than the S5, but with the S5II, I don't see myself using the GH6 a lot anymore, maybe just for the 120fps.
Yeah that’s fair enough the S5II covers a lot of the common grounds. The GH6 has a lot of the beefier codecs but if you’re shooting in 10-bit 4k the S5II is a great choice. The slow motion and handling of the GH6 is also very good. both are great haha 😊👍
Hi Shane. I am a hobbyist videographer and professional photographer so I would only buy the S5 II for filming. I really fell in love with the idea to buy a S5 II but it is 2k euro plus. Currently there are used S5's (original) for around 950 euro and they are also in great condition. My question is, which is now obvious, is the S5 mark II worth it at twice the price as the S5 (original)? Any feedback would be greatly welcomed.
You're paying for the S5II exceptional Autofocus, a full size HDMI port, and 6k in-camera. If you don't need those features, the 4k quality is identical. The image out of the original S5 is right up there with the Sony FX3 which is three times the price here. The original S5 has some recording limits in the 10-bit modes but can shoot 8bit all day.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Thanks for the feedback
Will I be fine with a new S5 (not S5 II) as a photographer? Will the AF be good enough for photo? Is it stupid to get new camera, instead of a used one? Hm..
Photo AF has always been fine with DFD. It's the video autofocus that was causing the most headaches for people. The S5 can still work pretty well with Video Autofocus if you check out my Decoding the Panasonic Autofocus video.
Using a HDMI lock on the cage really protects the HDMI cable. The real turn down is that, mark 2 looses the phase detection autofocus in 1080 50p..why? What's up with that
1080 50/60 is the only one that loses it. 4k50/60 is has phase detect with the APS-C Crop.
Yes, but I and maybe more people still shoot 1080 50 P... because the 1080 looks awesome on this camera, so I am.turning more and more towards S5 1...
Please tell me this is true, Panasonic s5 mark2 -1080p 4.2.2 10 bit 24/25/30fps FF (Full-Frame) use PDAF. 1080p 4.2.2. 10 bit 50/60fps FF use DFD (old contrast method). 1080p 50/60fps APS-C mode use PDAF.
For some reason, 50/60p HD doesn't use PDAF. I would expect there to be an update at some point to address this. I finally tested a production model this week and it's missing it with the full sensor readout. Spewing.
CAN S5II DO FHD180 FPS HIGH SPEED FOR GOOD SLOW MOTION ? THANKS
Check out my full review for the specs, detrails and sample footage. I cover all of that in the video.
the auto focus works with manual lense?
No it only works with autofocus lenses. Manual focus lenses have no contacts for AF or any AF motors at all.
Great comparison, I love my S5 but it will turn into a B-cam, I have the S5IIX already in pre-order.
One thing however: The S5 also has power delivery over USB. I use it often with a huge powerbank for long recordings or timelapses.
The wattage when recording gone up on the S5 II if you power it over usb c. It was low,l, so the battery still drained slowly I guess.
@@Valerossi0 I presume it has to do with the cable and power bank used. You have to make sure that it can handle the wattage needed.
At first I also had problems with slowly draining batteries, however this was solved by replacing the powerbank an cable with others which could give more wattage.
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Once you have seen the RAW you get out of the Ninja with the S5 you can never go back. 422, 12 bit, RAW Prores FULL FRAME is just poetry. You have to pay extra with the S5 II for the RAW. The upcoming S5II "X" gives you RAW out of the box. Better to wait for that before upgrading. That said, Panasonic have nailed it with these full frame babies. I just shot a feature film on the S5 and cannot praise that camera enough. Love it.
S5 has same quality image some told better ? i m not sure... and autofocus does the job if you know how to use it ... all that is commercial ... nothing very usefull if you have S5 you dont change if you have to buy yep you go for the S5 II i think .... i payed my S5 with 50mm and 20/60 and extra battery for 1500 euros... i ll change for the same price lol and sell the extra lens to have the body for 0$
The S5II does 6k internal. It’s an upgrade over the original S5 which I have 4 of. The autofocus, higher resolution, better IBIS makes the new one a great upgrade. The original S5 is fantastic though I still use them.
I think ill just buy the s5ii as a kit.
The Kit lens is awesome. I have a video coming up about this combination. :)
Anyone interested in a lightly used Sony a7iv?
Those are popular cameras, you should be able to sell it pretty easily.
Joke: This would be a better review if you replaced the word “need” with the word “want.” What I “need” is irrelevant. I need air, food and shelter. I don’t even need a camera, but I want an S5 II. 😊👍
Hello, I have purchased Lumix S5 october 2022, and now you released a new S5II camera, why did Panasonic sell Lumix s5 camera with autofocus issue. all time S5 have a problem with autofocus. At least they have should recall application for all Lumix S5 cameras . They sell defective camera on 2 years. Now they corrected auto focus defect issue and call it Lumix S5II. This is not fair. I am felling like a donkey.
Thank you Panasonic.
Did you not do any research on the camera before buying it? You can still make the original work quite well. If you needed phase detect you could have for a Sony, Canon, or Nikon. Most people buying Panasonic are well aware of the autofocus trade off on the older cameras. There’s so many benefits over other brands in other areas.
@@GeekyNerdyTechy Actually I just trusted Panasonic Lumix name, did not searched I wish I would have a chance to return S5 but 2 months already passed.
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