Thanks for redoing the af tests. I recognized that your initial tests were a bit off compared to others I've seen yesterday, and really appreciate the update!
Have some lovely engagement. So the S5ii. The shot across the bow at the big boys who give us firmware every year (at best) and can't figure out shutter angle or video assist tools. The big boys who said "Eh, Autofocus is our ace. No need to give them the rest." I bet Panasonic going modern will be responsible for a lot of innovation across the market. Especially if GH gets PDAF next. Or a new S1 👀
I'd love to see if the Prores 422 HQ coming out of the S5 IIX is good enough for a feature production. That seems to be the best case scenario. However, I am waiting for them to bring the S1H II with a CFExpress Type B slot, and non-cropped 4K 60P and 4K 120P, along with the goodies from this S5 series. Something that can go up against the FX3 or even the FX6. And could we get an EVA-1 style body with the same features as the S1H II? That is an incredible camera which would do really well with the L mount and full frame treatment :)
I’ve got the original S5 since it came out and I gotta say it’s nearly perfect. It does everything so well and as a cinematographer I do not care for autofocus. I have to say though this new version with such improved autofocus is a really nice present. Although I really wished they added 4K 120p (be it cropped) and the 4K 60p to uncropped. The 120p on the S5MK1 is really bad and not really usable in my opinion so wished for an upgrade for that. I hope they will add it to the mark 2 X since that is going to be fully video orientated. Oh yes, since everyone is using an external monitor, make the screen of the camera tilt-shifted instead of flippy. With the flippy design your HDMI cable will just be in the way all the time…
This is an updated S5 II Review, the only section that has changed is the autofocus portion. We did this because we messed up and used Face & Eye instead of Human for the tests and we were not running the latest firmware so we felt the need to rerender with new testing and there really is a big difference in performance. We've sacrificed the initial 10K views and all the lovely engagement from everyone so please comment, like and share this new video! Thank you for watching! Jake HDMI LATENCY TEST - If you turn off Sound Output Via HDMI in the menu the latency drops to 180 milliseconds. Much better!
Great to hear this and thanks for being honest with the amended vid - I watched your initial review yesterday and was wondering whether a firmware update could improve the performance you reported - good to see that it has. Been shooting with pana cameras for years and only recently moved away from my EVA1 - but still use an S5 as a b-cam - I hope this AF advancement can help them claw back some more market share as I really think their cameras are the best bang for buck for image quality. Interested to see where they take the S1H - if they announce a new model, I might upgrade my S5.
Massive props for doing this, willing to sacrifice views for quality and objectivity. After stumbling onto your channel by accident, I watched pretty much all of your backlog...and absolutely love the objective, all encompassing and just technical enough reviews. Currently a GH4 user looking to upgrade and probably will go for the X variant in may purely because of the IP streaming functionality, speaking of which if it is possible for future reviews if a camera supports IP streaming to get a small segment in the video where you just say how easy it is to set up, is a dongle or adapter necessary, are there limitation with recording or outputs while streaming and most importantly what is the quality. Thank you for your hard work.
All the modes this camera offers for users of anamorphic lenses is impressive. I shoot on Sony and I'd LOVE to have these features. This camera is truly and beast and I have to say I really love the images coming out of it!
Thank you guys for the excellent video. By far the best value out there. I have the original S5 and love it. I shoot into a Ninja V monitor so I get 5.9k RAW, FULL FRAME, 422, 12 BIT PRORES. The image is pure poetry. I don't feel the need to step up to this model, but I will be looking at the MK II X. I don't use autofucus, but THANK GOD Panasonic can now claim to be up there with the very best, on every level. At this price it is insane. I just shot a feature film on the S5 and the camera never gave me a second of worry. The only place left to go for Panasonic is a global shutter!!!!!!!
@@antonioderosa521 They are both full frame, 24 megapixel, so the resolution is the same. I think I heard the read out speed is slightly faster on the new camera. Not fast enough to make much difference to the rolling shutter. I think you have to go to the S1H for significantly higher read out (7 or 8 milliseconds faster) but no phase detect in the S1H ...yet. (same sensor as S1H though) Rolling shutter obviously makes a difference for action sequences: no fast pans. You have to make the action come toward or go away from the camera...or rent a global shutter rig for those shots. You can correct in post but I am not too keen on that approach. And note, you don;t get RAW output on the S5II unless you pay extra. (200 bucks) The S5II "X" will give you RAW for free and a few extra internal; codecs for that extra 200. Worth waiting for that or get the now really cheap S5 if you don't need auto focus. Once more, shooting into the Ninja the image is incredible. 12 bit 422, full frame Raw at 5.9k! You would need to spend 70k on an Alexa to even get close to how wonderful the image is. I have shot Alexa and REds so I know how close they are. Last note, you will break the micro end of the HDMI cables unless you clamp them, but no problem with the actual small out put socket on the camera, that seems robust enough.
@@charliemcgrain thank you. I love the Pana colors and I'd like to get a Varicam but unfortunately it is discontinued. So the lumix line seems to be close enough, I'd like to get ProRes or RAW, yes the auto focus should be great but I can work without. I think value for money the first S5 can be the right choice. What do you think?
@@antonioderosa521 As mentioned, I shoot into the Ninja (I always need a monitor anyway) So I can just shoot 4k prores or the RAW at 5.9k into the Ninja (400 bucks for a Ninja but worth every penny) The RAW as you know gives you 422 12 bit. The files are pretty big so it depends on your needs if you go RAW. This feature I just shot will run at 90 mins and we shot 12 terabytes of RAW. But you can edit and grade it like butter on a decent laptop, and changing the SSD's off the back of the Ninja is just such an easy slick workflow on set. I will consider the S5 II "X" when it comes out. I shoot fast and light to keep the costs down, but, having some redundancy on the X, like the internal codecs that will give a nice back up system if the Ninja should go down. Also the new IBIS looks great and that could certainly add some back up for the Ronan gimble. But, man, you can pick up an S5 body right now for 1000 bucks and get a Ninja and you are still saving cash on the new version. I can't say enough great things about the image coming out of this thing into the Ninja, side by side with Alexa footage and you cannot see the difference. The value is just mind blowing. Happy shooting bro.
Hi Jake. I don't think CVP messed up, more like Panasonic. I'd have expected 'face and eye' to have not switched off the face focal plane when the face was lost. Maybe Panasonic wanted to give both options but it is an odd way of going about it. To add my previous comments Kudos for picking this up in the first place - few others did. Updating the review has bumped the value of this camera up to me, I'm particularly interested in the video image stabilisation. I need to watch your lens reviews. Cheers.
I haven't finished the video yet, but just wanted to comment that you can achieve this with the focus limiter if you need it. Say for instance you want a shot where you're talking in the camera and want to turn and walk away into the bokeh for an outro, you'd set face+eye and focal limit to your desired max range and it will drop off tracking once you hit that distance and you should then be walking out of focus from then on. Granted, it's a bit more work to setup but it's much more powerful. Imagine you're talking to the camera in front of some historical site and there's a statue of particular interest behind you. You can set the depth of the statue to your max depth, so when you walk off camera, the camera racks to the statue as opposed to staying at your focal plane or going to infinity
Absolutely brilliant review with a high understandable amounth of geekiness. I use several GH5s for my little outdoor UA-cam review channel and I was very disappointed that the GH6 was still poor at autofocus. This is important to me because I shoot everything myself and I sometimes F-up when shooting myself hiking with the poor GH5 autofocus on. The S5II seems like a nice option, allthough... I was looking for a cheaper vlogging camera - like the Nikon Z30 - just for this vlogging-style purpose. Thank you very much for the in-depth reviews you do.
This may be my next camera. Bit of a dick move charging extra for some “pro video features” but having the best IBIS makes me choose it over my preferred brand Fuji. Saying it’s pretty good for photos is a bit harsh 😂 I’ve seen some amazing shots from it
Hey CVP, thanks for your commitment to accurate information! Since you're one of the only reviewers mentioning the properly measured HDMI lag, could you test the delay again by disabling "Sound Output (HDMI)" in the "HDMI Rec Output" menu? Gerald Undone did and noticed a "night and day difference" but did not provide actual numbers :( Not ideal, but if your main concern is MF we could gain back some important ms. This behavior is really similar to the GH6 actually so it makes sense
Have conducted it using the same methodology. With the Sound Output via HDMI turned off it drops to 180 Milliseconds! I will put this in the pinned comment. Jake
Basically a no-brainer camera if you're ok with its rolling shutter. Yes, Sony still has better AF but it's finally good enough so that better software and stab can play their part. I was really disappointed when Fuji didn't add proper tracking in their X-H2 line, but now I know which camera to get.
I believe the purpose of it isn't to improve what you focus on but in telling it what to ignore. To give a scenario: you're covering a sporting event for your university UA-cam channel. You want to sign off your report talking head shot and have the camera rack to infinity. If you're on human detect, you run the risk of the camera latching onto some background referee or player and starting to track them as they pace back and forth. Or you're doing a talking head at the mall and same thing, you want to walk off camera and have the camera rack to the storefront behind you instead of latching on to each passerby as they walk in and out of frame.
The only reason I won't swap my A7 IV for this is the lack of full frame 4k@60, and while if I am purchasing my first camera right now, I'd go for the S5II, I am not going to sell my full kit , to get yet another camera that lacks that feature. It's a shame in 2023 FF 4k60 is still not standard affair! Otherwise a fantastic camera at a spectacular price! Still holding high hopes for a Z6III, assuming I don't manage to buy A7sIII in the meantime.
That’s a really fair perspective and fully understand. It’s a shame Lumix waited so long to ad PDAF, definitely lost a few customers to Sony. Here’s hoping lumix keeps up with this and provides real competition to Sony for some good old innovation driven by competition! That being said I’ve never really had an issue with apsc crop in 4k60. It’s not ideal but pretty easy to plan and adapt for and the quality out of it is by far enough. So for me it’s still the way to go, but I understand for others it’s not and if really is a shame lumix didn’t put more recent sensor that would enable them to do full frame 4k60
@@jockturner1547 the quality is not an issue, but when I shoot real estate and want to slow down the footage to get buttery smooth shots, I either need to go down to 1080p, which while being useful is a far cry from 4K detail, or I need to get another APS-C lens to cover my wide angle needs. Both are not ideal, since I either lose quality, or I need to buy a lens just for that specific reason. Then if I go ahead and shoot a music video, and I want a 35 mil prime look, I have to get a 23 mil lens and so on.. then my whole kit gets bigger and more expensive, to the point where I should just get a different camera. The worst thing is, they can give us line skipped/binned option, but they choose not to.
@@michaeldimitrov1444 yeah I get you, that’s fair enough. The stuff I shoot, which is more story focused brand films where we do a lot of interviews and a more raw style of overlay usually shot at 50fps (Australia) we always deliver in 1080p as the footage is generally being used for social media marketing where 4k is completely pointless and a waste of hdd space so shooting 4k50 is normally easy to account for by just stepping back a little or I just shoot in 1080p50. For you’re line of work, the real estate mainly I can 100% understand your requirements for full width 50fps. Although is the Sony a7iv not also cropped 4k60? Don’t you need to go up to a a7siii which is a completely different pricing range than the s5ii or am I wrong? Edit: sorry I forgot you mentioned the a7iv in the original comment! Yes it’s crazy it isn’t a standard yet and is likely due to the same sensor being used which is causing the limitation. Does feel especially frustrating that Panasonic had full width 4k60p on the GH5 over 5 years ago and you would think that tech would trickle into the full frame range by now but it still feels like it’s being held back
If phase detect autofocus is added to the S1H that would be great but the price tag on an S1H with phase detect might be even higher for a camera body that is already expensive.
Thank you so much for such a characteristically great and detailed review. I always come to your channel for great and practical reviews---they're the best!!! You should have many, many more subscribers. Only 2 suggestions for the future. Get a lovely young lady for your video samples (that will increase your subscribers--I kid you not), and 2, stop wasting coffee beans in your slow mo footage. S5II stabilization, no overheating, fantastic value/price ratio, the Panasonic Xlr unit is better than Sonys, C4k, plus arguably equal AF: GAME OVER, Sony. GAME OVER, Canon! I'm selling my A74. I didn't want to buy it anyway. The image, by comparison, looks too digital, while the Panasonic is more natural looking with better skin tones and texture. Panasonic is very impressive.
great review without fanboism! would u choose xh2s over this camera as hybrid ( photo video=)? or at least maybe just newer verision how it cimpares to the competition ( not new video ) just shrt updated where panasonic stands
Is the video image quality and features better on S5IIX than Panasonic AU EVA1 please advise ? What is the pros on the S5XII?What is the pros of EVA1?Which has the best sensor / cinematic look?Which camera is more pro?
nice video. I need to confirm one point from you, which is very crucial for a videographer like me. Does the S5II loose AF if we are gonna use an external monitor like liliput. I am asking this, because for all my work, I depend on external monitor. Please reply. This is a buying factor me. 🙏
Nice video! You should review the Nikon Z6. Used they go for $900-1000. A used body paired with a Ninja V gives you full frame 10 bit 4k with phase detect AF for around $1500 including media. You can also pair it with a Atomos Ninja Star for a cheap compact 10 bit 1080p setup. Set the record resolution to 4k and HDMI resolution to 1080p and you get oversampled 1080p out to the Ninja Star, making it a killer cheap 1080p setup.
Maybe get a used Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle and power it with a dummy battery? Wouldn’t be quite as compact as the ninja star though, which adds little size and weight to the package
Thanks for this great review! Just wondering what would happen if you use a EF lens with IS and turn it on? On the GH5 if I adapt a EF with IS you can only have either body or lens IS. They don't work both at the same time. Thanks again
What battery are you using at 5:29 ? Looks like it’s charging the Ninja V at the same time as usb c charging the camera. That’s a smart hack. I’d like to purchase one of those batteries.
Different options for different people and workflows, the X uses SD the same SD cards slots as the regular S5 II which is probably why it cant record ProRes internally. Jake
You could see the setup, we show it in the video. We also clearly explained the modes that both cameras are in. Both cameras regular stab modes, No electronic ones enabled. Jake
Don't forget to tell viewers that FHD autofocus only works in contrast mode (same as the S5 and GH5-6). For some reason, all bloggers are silent about this. Accordingly, you cannot get 50/100 not in crop and with phase focus. This is a huge disappointment after the purchase. Nobody talks about it.
Hi CVP, thanks for the great video, great job! As many I am starting out and I am not sure if I should get the s5ii or the x version as I am yet missing knowledge about the advantages the X gives. Maybe you can help us out, trying to decide between the two? 1) RAW VIDEO HDMI OUTPUT - When do you really need this? Is this necessary when aiming to do social, wedding, short film and small commercials? 2) PRORES 422 / PRORES 422 HQ - They say long Gop is harder to edit than prores. I have zero experience with both coming from nikon. Firslty, whats the difference between 422 and 422 HQ? Also, if I understand correctly the s5 ii does not have prores as a codec today. However I have seen people say that you can record prores in 4k & 6k with an atomos ninja V or V+ with the s5ii and therefore don't need the X for PRORES if you use an external recorder. Is it really faster and is this correct or is long GOP enough? The X also allows all-intra recording, when is this needed? 3) USB SSD Recording - I heave heard people disliking the slow write speed of the s5 II sensor. Maybe you can give us example numbers on how big the 6k footage of a 60 min Interview would be and when SSD recording is truly needed? The other two differences (wireless steaming, usb tethering to smartphone) are clear to me, just adding them for others to see :) Thanks and keep going! 🎥
Hey JK just to confirm the MC21 adapter firmware 1.4 will let EF(canon and sigma) lens AF in video mode / AFC -- just like the native L mount lenses? is that true? please confirm!!! :D thank you :D love you guys videos, they are super informal and detailed!!! :D
@@CVPTV Hey Jake BIG THANK YOU ON THAT!!! I guess I am buying it once it is out in May :D I have the S1R AF is the weakest point :D haha lol THANK YOU AGAIN BRO. Keep up the amazing videos!!! :D
How do I download the latest firmware for it? Ive tried going on Panasonics site but I can only find s5 firmware updates but not S5ii .someone please help
Lumix S5II costs £2000 in UK and new Canon R8 £1700 I would like to see comparison of these similar priced cameras. I am Canon M50 user and I am a bit worried that AF I am used to is not as good. I need it as I film myself in talking head videos in my studio. I like many Lumix video features but is it a wise decision to move out of Canon system? I made once bad choice to buy Pentax camera and then I regretted it as I would be much happier with Canon or Nikon. Don't want to make the same mistake again.
This is first time panssonic added auto focus where it is acceptable not impressive. Everyone got one camera during confrence and few lens now it's reviewers job to advertise all good things about this camera. :) This camera still does NOT give better performance in terms of auto focus in many ways.
Could you talk any faster? What’s the hurry. You go in and out of things so fast it’s almost impossible to follow you. This complaint may be in the minority. You make some of the best videos… What’s your hurry? Anybody who is interested in the information you’re about to present… Isn’t in a hurry.
I think the fairer comparison would be with the X-H2 rather than the X-H2S (which really isn't quite as good at video) But the X-H2 costs more... so the S5mk2 is easily the better value option!
I own an X-H2s, and I’m quite certain the Fuji AF is not as good. I plan to sell my Fuji. Let me know if you’re interested. My guess is Fuji will make it better. That’s what they always do.
"Industry Standards" involve Panavision, Arri and Red cameras. This standard is very slow. New camera makers introduce things not dreamed of 5 years ago. Now there is a challenge between old and new. Indi's use the new, while oldies ignore the rest of he world. Available tech will beat the old makers very quickly.
Yes please! Would LOVE to see extensive AF-C tests with EF lenses with the Sigma adapter! I think lots of people have been using EF glass for the last 10 years for video, so it would make sense :-)
I agree. This camera - and presumably future LUMIX L mount and potentially G/G mount cameras with PDAF - may become a valid option for DSLR owners and or other EF mount owners looking to move to mirrorless. An exception will be if they need lens-based IS which still won’t work.
Excellent review as usual. If Panasonic can fine tune the AF with a firmware update, then the S5ii is a real consideration for me. Although, I would most likely go for the S5iiX for the ability to record to SSD, etc. I switched to Sony last year from BMPCC4K because of the Sony autofocus. But, I shot with Panasonic before the BMPCC4K. And I've always preferred Panasonic color science when it comes to skin tones. I, too, would love to see BRAW as a choice. Especially since I already use DaVinci Resolve for editing and grading. Being able to return to shooting with shutter angle and other Panasonic features would be great for my indie/low budget filmmaking. Maybe by the time the S5iiX comes out in May they will have solidified the PDAF performance. Crossing fingers.
I like how you featured the cinematographer's bible, The Cine Lens Manual by Probst and Holben in your subtle, but not so subtle shots reviewing the S5ii! In 2016, Jay Holben gave a number of amazing technical presentations at the Level One Global Cinematography Institute of Cinematography of Yuri Neyman's in Hollywood. I was privileged to be able to participate in one of the last sessions of that most inspiring program which had been created by the late Vilmos Zsigmond and Yuri Neyman. 😎😎
why are people have so much to complain about micro hdmi on the S5? the only downside of it is that you have to buy an extra cable right or is there more to it?
Is it true that the S5II is only able to use contrast detect AF in 1080 ??? Check this test. ua-cam.com/video/dEpmUfyESRc/v-deo.html If so I will cancel my order
As a Nikon stills shooter (and Blackmagic cine operator) I had hoped the Z8 might improve Nikon’s video chops enough that I could consider their new offering for hybrid social media work I need to tackle these days. No open gate etc etc in the Z8 so I started to consider the alternatives. Till now the lack of phase detect has kept me away from Panasonic, but not any longer. Here’s 6k Open Gate at a very reasonable price with all the common tools I find in proper video cameras. Sold! And I have an S5IIx coming. **However** please Panasonic make it so I can feed external timecode into this camera. I don’t care about the separate port. As with the BMPCCs, allow the camera to convert the 3.5mm audio into embedded timecode. Then the S5II series would be very close to perfect.
have used the S5 over 2years. very satisficed IBIS, battery life, interfaces, codec, SD cards. glad that I/O changed to full-hdmi (was really painful to use micro-hdmi), new AF. disappointed parts are still not available 'no crop 4k 60fps', ergonomics, display, EVF. but, considering price point, it is still fascinating. should wait for the S1H ii.
I'd love to see more about the performance of EF glass on this camera. Like a lot of video folks, I'm pretty heavily invested in the EF lens mount, so this and later Panasonic cameras would be pretty desirable if EF lenses can be adapted with minimal compromise.
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Had to choose among 20 reviewers, you always come on top of my list for an unbiased, truly professional delivery.
Thanks for the detailed review.
Would love to see a comparison between the S5 ii vs the XH2s in the future :)
I'm really impressed that you updated the autofocus section. Well done!
Good call on re running the tests. I am very excited for this camera. I probably won't get it for several years until the price comes down.
Thanks for redoing the af tests. I recognized that your initial tests were a bit off compared to others I've seen yesterday, and really appreciate the update!
Have some lovely engagement.
So the S5ii.
The shot across the bow at the big boys who give us firmware every year (at best) and can't figure out shutter angle or video assist tools. The big boys who said "Eh, Autofocus is our ace. No need to give them the rest."
I bet Panasonic going modern will be responsible for a lot of innovation across the market. Especially if GH gets PDAF next. Or a new S1 👀
Damn the S5II with that Atlas looks incredible. Great video. You nailed it!!
S5 II looks perfect! I thought if the S5 had full size HDMI and PDAF it would be perfect. Well here it is!
and unlimited time 4k modes
the S5 II x looks better!
@@orange42 It had unlimited 4k modes, but only in 8-bit
Thanks for the updated review. Really appreciate the detail and depth of your guys’ work.
I'd love to see if the Prores 422 HQ coming out of the S5 IIX is good enough for a feature production. That seems to be the best case scenario. However, I am waiting for them to bring the S1H II with a CFExpress Type B slot, and non-cropped 4K 60P and 4K 120P, along with the goodies from this S5 series. Something that can go up against the FX3 or even the FX6. And could we get an EVA-1 style body with the same features as the S1H II? That is an incredible camera which would do really well with the L mount and full frame treatment :)
I’ve got the original S5 since it came out and I gotta say it’s nearly perfect. It does everything so well and as a cinematographer I do not care for autofocus.
I have to say though this new version with such improved autofocus is a really nice present. Although I really wished they added 4K 120p (be it cropped) and the 4K 60p to uncropped. The 120p on the S5MK1 is really bad and not really usable in my opinion so wished for an upgrade for that. I hope they will add it to the mark 2 X since that is going to be fully video orientated. Oh yes, since everyone is using an external monitor, make the screen of the camera tilt-shifted instead of flippy. With the flippy design your HDMI cable will just be in the way all the time…
One of the best if not the best reviews of the S5ii I feel so confident in my purchase especially since I’m coming from being a Canon shooter
Thank you for the update. It really is that important. Sony FX30 comparison please!?
This is an updated S5 II Review, the only section that has changed is the autofocus portion. We did this because we messed up and used Face & Eye instead of Human for the tests and we were not running the latest firmware so we felt the need to rerender with new testing and there really is a big difference in performance. We've sacrificed the initial 10K views and all the lovely engagement from everyone so please comment, like and share this new video! Thank you for watching! Jake
HDMI LATENCY TEST - If you turn off Sound Output Via HDMI in the menu the latency drops to 180 milliseconds. Much better!
The fact you're willing to do this shows that you really care, respect!
Great to hear this and thanks for being honest with the amended vid - I watched your initial review yesterday and was wondering whether a firmware update could improve the performance you reported - good to see that it has.
Been shooting with pana cameras for years and only recently moved away from my EVA1 - but still use an S5 as a b-cam - I hope this AF advancement can help them claw back some more market share as I really think their cameras are the best bang for buck for image quality.
Interested to see where they take the S1H - if they announce a new model, I might upgrade my S5.
Appreciate you giving us the most accurate information and going through the trouble!
Massive props for doing this, willing to sacrifice views for quality and objectivity. After stumbling onto your channel by accident, I watched pretty much all of your backlog...and absolutely love the objective, all encompassing and just technical enough reviews. Currently a GH4 user looking to upgrade and probably will go for the X variant in may purely because of the IP streaming functionality, speaking of which if it is possible for future reviews if a camera supports IP streaming to get a small segment in the video where you just say how easy it is to set up, is a dongle or adapter necessary, are there limitation with recording or outputs while streaming and most importantly what is the quality.
Thank you for your hard work.
Glad you did a new version of the autofocus stuff, your autofocus in the last video looked out of step with other reviews.
All the modes this camera offers for users of anamorphic lenses is impressive. I shoot on Sony and I'd LOVE to have these features. This camera is truly and beast and I have to say I really love the images coming out of it!
Thank you guys for the excellent video. By far the best value out there. I have the original S5 and love it. I shoot into a Ninja V monitor so I get 5.9k RAW, FULL FRAME, 422, 12 BIT PRORES. The image is pure poetry. I don't feel the need to step up to this model, but I will be looking at the MK II X. I don't use autofucus, but THANK GOD Panasonic can now claim to be up there with the very best, on every level. At this price it is insane. I just shot a feature film on the S5 and the camera never gave me a second of worry. The only place left to go for Panasonic is a global shutter!!!!!!!
Is the same sensor of the original S5?
@@antonioderosa521 They are both full frame, 24 megapixel, so the resolution is the same. I think I heard the read out speed is slightly faster on the new camera. Not fast enough to make much difference to the rolling shutter. I think you have to go to the S1H for significantly higher read out (7 or 8 milliseconds faster) but no phase detect in the S1H ...yet. (same sensor as S1H though) Rolling shutter obviously makes a difference for action sequences: no fast pans. You have to make the action come toward or go away from the camera...or rent a global shutter rig for those shots. You can correct in post but I am not too keen on that approach. And note, you don;t get RAW output on the S5II unless you pay extra. (200 bucks) The S5II "X" will give you RAW for free and a few extra internal; codecs for that extra 200. Worth waiting for that or get the now really cheap S5 if you don't need auto focus. Once more, shooting into the Ninja the image is incredible. 12 bit 422, full frame Raw at 5.9k! You would need to spend 70k on an Alexa to even get close to how wonderful the image is. I have shot Alexa and REds so I know how close they are. Last note, you will break the micro end of the HDMI cables unless you clamp them, but no problem with the actual small out put socket on the camera, that seems robust enough.
@@charliemcgrain thank you. I love the Pana colors and I'd like to get a Varicam but unfortunately it is discontinued.
So the lumix line seems to be close enough, I'd like to get ProRes or RAW, yes the auto focus should be great but I can work without.
I think value for money the first S5 can be the right choice. What do you think?
@@antonioderosa521 As mentioned, I shoot into the Ninja (I always need a monitor anyway) So I can just shoot 4k prores or the RAW at 5.9k into the Ninja (400 bucks for a Ninja but worth every penny) The RAW as you know gives you 422 12 bit. The files are pretty big so it depends on your needs if you go RAW. This feature I just shot will run at 90 mins and we shot 12 terabytes of RAW. But you can edit and grade it like butter on a decent laptop, and changing the SSD's off the back of the Ninja is just such an easy slick workflow on set. I will consider the S5 II "X" when it comes out. I shoot fast and light to keep the costs down, but, having some redundancy on the X, like the internal codecs that will give a nice back up system if the Ninja should go down. Also the new IBIS looks great and that could certainly add some back up for the Ronan gimble. But, man, you can pick up an S5 body right now for 1000 bucks and get a Ninja and you are still saving cash on the new version. I can't say enough great things about the image coming out of this thing into the Ninja, side by side with Alexa footage and you cannot see the difference. The value is just mind blowing. Happy shooting bro.
Hi Jake. I don't think CVP messed up, more like Panasonic. I'd have expected 'face and eye' to have not switched off the face focal plane when the face was lost. Maybe Panasonic wanted to give both options but it is an odd way of going about it. To add my previous comments Kudos for picking this up in the first place - few others did. Updating the review has bumped the value of this camera up to me, I'm particularly interested in the video image stabilisation. I need to watch your lens reviews. Cheers.
I haven't finished the video yet, but just wanted to comment that you can achieve this with the focus limiter if you need it. Say for instance you want a shot where you're talking in the camera and want to turn and walk away into the bokeh for an outro, you'd set face+eye and focal limit to your desired max range and it will drop off tracking once you hit that distance and you should then be walking out of focus from then on.
Granted, it's a bit more work to setup but it's much more powerful. Imagine you're talking to the camera in front of some historical site and there's a statue of particular interest behind you. You can set the depth of the statue to your max depth, so when you walk off camera, the camera racks to the statue as opposed to staying at your focal plane or going to infinity
S5II IBIS is jaw dropping.
Excellent review 👍 Thank you for walking ibis and mention of all-intra codec for the X version.
good 22mins of the S5 mk II good capability on stills dn video side. Thanks CVP.
My pick, and I’m glad 👍🏻
Absolutely brilliant review with a high understandable amounth of geekiness. I use several GH5s for my little outdoor UA-cam review channel and I was very disappointed that the GH6 was still poor at autofocus. This is important to me because I shoot everything myself and I sometimes F-up when shooting myself hiking with the poor GH5 autofocus on. The S5II seems like a nice option, allthough... I was looking for a cheaper vlogging camera - like the Nikon Z30 - just for this vlogging-style purpose. Thank you very much for the in-depth reviews you do.
Loving my GH6. Might need to add this to my kit once I am ready to get into a whole new lens system. I have an eye toward 6/8k cams going forward.
Would like a comparison in it's price point.
The best channel out there…
Great video fantastic camera. Thank You 🤗
fantastic review. Thanks!
This may be my next camera. Bit of a dick move charging extra for some “pro video features” but having the best IBIS makes me choose it over my preferred brand Fuji. Saying it’s pretty good for photos is a bit harsh 😂 I’ve seen some amazing shots from it
wow what a camera. great review! Does the original s5 have synchro scan? or is this new to the s5ii ?
Hey CVP, thanks for your commitment to accurate information!
Since you're one of the only reviewers mentioning the properly measured HDMI lag, could you test the delay again by disabling "Sound Output (HDMI)" in the "HDMI Rec Output" menu? Gerald Undone did and noticed a "night and day difference" but did not provide actual numbers :(
Not ideal, but if your main concern is MF we could gain back some important ms.
This behavior is really similar to the GH6 actually so it makes sense
I will measure this today and reply to this comment. Jake
Have conducted it using the same methodology. With the Sound Output via HDMI turned off it drops to 180 Milliseconds! I will put this in the pinned comment. Jake
@@CVPTV Wonderful, thanks for your hard work!
Great video❤
Basically a no-brainer camera if you're ok with its rolling shutter. Yes, Sony still has better AF but it's finally good enough so that better software and stab can play their part. I was really disappointed when Fuji didn't add proper tracking in their X-H2 line, but now I know which camera to get.
Would like to see the comparison with other cameras as well as the S5
Great video. I saw a pulsing on the light of the car when you tested AF and left the image.
Go to 4:25 and you can see that the car lights were blinking that entire time. It’s not a reflection of the camera’s autofocus.
@@Kiywii Thanks to point that. CVP covers a lot of information in one video which makes you loose or miss some detail in their test footage.
Yeah this was because of shutter speed, not autofocus pulsing. Jake
The S5II mops the floor with the A74. Nuff said.
Thank you. I guess that face and eye is more efficient for shooting situations like talking head videos or close-ups.
I believe the purpose of it isn't to improve what you focus on but in telling it what to ignore. To give a scenario: you're covering a sporting event for your university UA-cam channel. You want to sign off your report talking head shot and have the camera rack to infinity. If you're on human detect, you run the risk of the camera latching onto some background referee or player and starting to track them as they pace back and forth. Or you're doing a talking head at the mall and same thing, you want to walk off camera and have the camera rack to the storefront behind you instead of latching on to each passerby as they walk in and out of frame.
The only reason I won't swap my A7 IV for this is the lack of full frame 4k@60, and while if I am purchasing my first camera right now, I'd go for the S5II, I am not going to sell my full kit , to get yet another camera that lacks that feature. It's a shame in 2023 FF 4k60 is still not standard affair! Otherwise a fantastic camera at a spectacular price! Still holding high hopes for a Z6III, assuming I don't manage to buy A7sIII in the meantime.
That’s a really fair perspective and fully understand. It’s a shame Lumix waited so long to ad PDAF, definitely lost a few customers to Sony. Here’s hoping lumix keeps up with this and provides real competition to Sony for some good old innovation driven by competition!
That being said I’ve never really had an issue with apsc crop in 4k60. It’s not ideal but pretty easy to plan and adapt for and the quality out of it is by far enough. So for me it’s still the way to go, but I understand for others it’s not and if really is a shame lumix didn’t put more recent sensor that would enable them to do full frame 4k60
@@jockturner1547 the quality is not an issue, but when I shoot real estate and want to slow down the footage to get buttery smooth shots, I either need to go down to 1080p, which while being useful is a far cry from 4K detail, or I need to get another APS-C lens to cover my wide angle needs. Both are not ideal, since I either lose quality, or I need to buy a lens just for that specific reason. Then if I go ahead and shoot a music video, and I want a 35 mil prime look, I have to get a 23 mil lens and so on.. then my whole kit gets bigger and more expensive, to the point where I should just get a different camera. The worst thing is, they can give us line skipped/binned option, but they choose not to.
@@michaeldimitrov1444 yeah I get you, that’s fair enough. The stuff I shoot, which is more story focused brand films where we do a lot of interviews and a more raw style of overlay usually shot at 50fps (Australia) we always deliver in 1080p as the footage is generally being used for social media marketing where 4k is completely pointless and a waste of hdd space so shooting 4k50 is normally easy to account for by just stepping back a little or I just shoot in 1080p50.
For you’re line of work, the real estate mainly I can 100% understand your requirements for full width 50fps.
Although is the Sony a7iv not also cropped 4k60? Don’t you need to go up to a a7siii which is a completely different pricing range than the s5ii or am I wrong?
Edit: sorry I forgot you mentioned the a7iv in the original comment! Yes it’s crazy it isn’t a standard yet and is likely due to the same sensor being used which is causing the limitation.
Does feel especially frustrating that Panasonic had full width 4k60p on the GH5 over 5 years ago and you would think that tech would trickle into the full frame range by now but it still feels like it’s being held back
If phase detect autofocus is added to the S1H that would be great but the price tag on an S1H with phase detect might be even higher for a camera body that is already expensive.
12:44 I'd love BRAW as well. Panasonic said nothing of it?
IIx yes to external BM 12G monitor
@@silbay Wasn't known when I asked the question.
Thank you so much for such a characteristically great and detailed review. I always come to your channel for great and practical reviews---they're the best!!!
You should have many, many more subscribers.
Only 2 suggestions for the future. Get a lovely young lady for your video samples (that will increase your subscribers--I kid you not), and 2, stop wasting coffee beans in your slow mo footage.
S5II stabilization, no overheating, fantastic value/price ratio, the Panasonic Xlr unit is better than Sonys, C4k, plus arguably equal AF: GAME OVER, Sony. GAME OVER, Canon!
I'm selling my A74. I didn't want to buy it anyway. The image, by comparison, looks too digital, while the Panasonic is more natural looking with better skin tones and texture.
Panasonic is very impressive.
Heyy great in depth video! I would like to ask how would you compare to the XH-2s? Thank you!
Highest Mbps it can shoot at 4k 10bit internal and external
Any thoughts on when we'll see a Panasonic S1H MK II? There's almost no info on it.
Please compare with R6ii
Is the af just as good as Sony’s?
why in sony i cant record video in 3:2 or 4:3 ! for me it will usefull so much...
For the Panasonic S5 Mark ii will I have to pay for the raw output unlike on the Panasonic S5 Mark 1
Wait why can't you use the S5ii raw photos in Lightroom
great review without fanboism! would u choose xh2s over this camera as hybrid ( photo video=)? or at least maybe just newer verision how it cimpares to the competition ( not new video ) just shrt updated where panasonic stands
Is the video image quality and features better on S5IIX than Panasonic AU EVA1 please advise ?
What is the pros on the S5XII?What is the pros of EVA1?Which has the best sensor / cinematic look?Which camera is more pro?
Make a video about Lumix Gh6 vs Lymix s5 mark 2
nice video. I need to confirm one point from you, which is very crucial for a videographer like me. Does the S5II loose AF if we are gonna use an external monitor like liliput. I am asking this, because for all my work, I depend on external monitor. Please reply. This is a buying factor me. 🙏
Is the Lumix S5ii good for sports?
Was going to buy a A7IV but curious if you think S5II is better buy? I’d like SOOC more magenta looking skin tones. Hybrid shooter. Which one!?
now I am confused about that should I pick fx30 or s5II?
I was thinking to buy a fx30 this march but now idk
Have you got lenses already? Jake
Nice video! You should review the Nikon Z6. Used they go for $900-1000. A used body paired with a Ninja V gives you full frame 10 bit 4k with phase detect AF for around $1500 including media. You can also pair it with a Atomos Ninja Star for a cheap compact 10 bit 1080p setup. Set the record resolution to 4k and HDMI resolution to 1080p and you get oversampled 1080p out to the Ninja Star, making it a killer cheap 1080p setup.
This camera is the cheapest way to get 10 bit FF with PDAF
You got my attention, then I saw the star is limited to 30p.. is there another budget option that boost the frame rate to 60/120?
Maybe get a used Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle and power it with a dummy battery? Wouldn’t be quite as compact as the ninja star though, which adds little size and weight to the package
Do you use adapters for anamorphic lenses? They don't come in L mount AFAIK...
Do I need to use ND filter with sigma 35mm 1.2, sigma 85mm 1.4 for outdoor day shoot?? I need the proper exposure.
Who wrote that Cine Lens Manual?
What lut was used at the 10:58 mark?
Thanks for this great review! Just wondering what would happen if you use a EF lens with IS and turn it on? On the GH5 if I adapt a EF with IS you can only have either body or lens IS. They don't work both at the same time. Thanks again
What battery are you using at 5:29 ?
Looks like it’s charging the Ninja V at the same time as usb c charging the camera. That’s a smart hack. I’d like to purchase one of those batteries.
It’s this - cvp.com/product/zilr-zrnpb01-np-f970-battery-with-usb-type-c-pd
@@CVPTV thank you!
I read that the 5IIx can record Internal ProRes capture.
You can set it to ProRes in camera but you need to record via USB to an external SSD. Jake
@@CVPTV hmm , not much of a benefit for those who have a ninja v. correct?
Different options for different people and workflows, the X uses SD the same SD cards slots as the regular S5 II which is probably why it cant record ProRes internally. Jake
Do you know if all-I and prores will be a firmware update down the line for the plain s5ii?
I feel like the specs are severely lacking for 2023
I don’t think so. If you need that the S5 IIX will be the one to grab, we mention that in the video! Jake
Why so different viewing angles on the S5 II and A7 IV?
It looks like active stabilization in the S5 II and normal stabilization in the A7 IV.
You could see the setup, we show it in the video. We also clearly explained the modes that both cameras are in. Both cameras regular stab modes, No electronic ones enabled. Jake
@@CVPTV The diiference in angle is huge, like 24mm vs 28mm...
@@siglo77 Well I can assure you both lenses were set to the same focal length.
Don't forget to tell viewers that FHD autofocus only works in contrast mode (same as the S5 and GH5-6). For some reason, all bloggers are silent about this. Accordingly, you cannot get 50/100 not in crop and with phase focus. This is a huge disappointment after the purchase. Nobody talks about it.
Hi CVP, thanks for the great video, great job! As many I am starting out and I am not sure if I should get the s5ii or the x version as I am yet missing knowledge about the advantages the X gives. Maybe you can help us out, trying to decide between the two?
1) RAW VIDEO HDMI OUTPUT - When do you really need this? Is this necessary when aiming to do social, wedding, short film and small commercials?
2) PRORES 422 / PRORES 422 HQ - They say long Gop is harder to edit than prores. I have zero experience with both coming from nikon. Firslty, whats the difference between 422 and 422 HQ? Also, if I understand correctly the s5 ii does not have prores as a codec today. However I have seen people say that you can record prores in 4k & 6k with an atomos ninja V or V+ with the s5ii and therefore don't need the X for PRORES if you use an external recorder. Is it really faster and is this correct or is long GOP enough? The X also allows all-intra recording, when is this needed?
3) USB SSD Recording - I heave heard people disliking the slow write speed of the s5 II sensor. Maybe you can give us example numbers on how big the 6k footage of a 60 min Interview would be and when SSD recording is truly needed?
The other two differences (wireless steaming, usb tethering to smartphone) are clear to me, just adding them for others to see :)
Thanks and keep going! 🎥
Where is my GH6 MkII?
Whoa
Look in your cupboard next to the tea and sugar.
Hey JK just to confirm the MC21 adapter firmware 1.4 will let EF(canon and sigma) lens AF in video mode / AFC -- just like the native L mount lenses? is that true? please confirm!!! :D thank you :D love you guys videos, they are super informal and detailed!!! :D
Yes I have used both Canon & Sigma with the MC-21 and AFC video continuous autofocus works great! Thanks for watching!! Jake
@@CVPTV Hey Jake BIG THANK YOU ON THAT!!! I guess I am buying it once it is out in May :D I have the S1R AF is the weakest point :D haha lol THANK YOU AGAIN BRO. Keep up the amazing videos!!! :D
How do I download the latest firmware for it? Ive tried going on Panasonics site but I can only find s5 firmware updates but not S5ii .someone please help
For photography 9 fps whit mechanical shutter it's too little
Depends on what photography you do!
When it's a lot action you need more fps However phase autofocus it's a big step for Panasonic.
Fx30 vs S5ii what to go for?
Do you have any lenses already? Jake
@@CVPTV I own Sony a6600 with ziess16-70F4
Lumix S5II costs £2000 in UK and new Canon R8 £1700 I would like to see comparison of these similar priced cameras. I am Canon M50 user and I am a bit worried that AF I am used to is not as good. I need it as I film myself in talking head videos in my studio. I like many Lumix video features but is it a wise decision to move out of Canon system? I made once bad choice to buy Pentax camera and then I regretted it as I would be much happier with Canon or Nikon. Don't want to make the same mistake again.
Can you select to just have the Lut be used as video assist for v-log? Or it HAS to be baked in if its being used?
I explain this in the video. You can use it just as a monitoring LUT or bake it into your footage. Jake
This is first time panssonic added auto focus where it is acceptable not impressive. Everyone got one camera during confrence and few lens now it's reviewers job to advertise all good things about this camera. :)
This camera still does NOT give better performance in terms of auto focus in many ways.
Could you talk any faster? What’s the hurry. You go in and out of things so fast it’s almost impossible to follow you. This complaint may be in the minority. You make some of the best videos… What’s your hurry? Anybody who is interested in the information you’re about to present… Isn’t in a hurry.
Nah, No. It's a no from me.
How come?
Would love to see another price comparison video. This release now has me wondering if to wait for the S5IIx instead of purchasing the Fuji XH2s.
I think the fairer comparison would be with the X-H2 rather than the X-H2S (which really isn't quite as good at video)
But the X-H2 costs more... so the S5mk2 is easily the better value option!
I own an X-H2s, and I’m quite certain the Fuji AF is not as good. I plan to sell my Fuji. Let me know if you’re interested. My guess is Fuji will make it better. That’s what they always do.
@@avarmadillo thanks for sharing your experience with Fuji XH-2 AF. I thought Fuji have improved their AF.
@@davidconsumerofmath The XH2S was literally put on the market as a video centric hybrid. You've got the two models mixed up.
@@mrflashbang5445 this.
"Industry Standards" involve Panavision, Arri and Red cameras. This standard is very slow. New camera makers introduce things not dreamed of 5 years ago. Now there is a challenge between old and new. Indi's use the new, while oldies ignore the rest of he world. Available tech will beat the old makers very quickly.
Yes please! Would LOVE to see extensive AF-C tests with EF lenses with the Sigma adapter! I think lots of people have been using EF glass for the last 10 years for video, so it would make sense :-)
I agree. This camera - and presumably future LUMIX L mount and potentially G/G mount cameras with PDAF - may become a valid option for DSLR owners and or other EF mount owners looking to move to mirrorless. An exception will be if they need lens-based IS which still won’t work.
Excellent review as usual. If Panasonic can fine tune the AF with a firmware update, then the S5ii is a real consideration for me. Although, I would most likely go for the S5iiX for the ability to record to SSD, etc. I switched to Sony last year from BMPCC4K because of the Sony autofocus. But, I shot with Panasonic before the BMPCC4K. And I've always preferred Panasonic color science when it comes to skin tones.
I, too, would love to see BRAW as a choice. Especially since I already use DaVinci Resolve for editing and grading. Being able to return to shooting with shutter angle and other Panasonic features would be great for my indie/low budget filmmaking. Maybe by the time the S5iiX comes out in May they will have solidified the PDAF performance. Crossing fingers.
I think the S5iiX is gonna be great, but I'm holding out for the S1Hii as Panasonic will probably throw the whole kitchen sink at that thing.
I made this cinematic video with the OG Lumix s5 I :
ua-cam.com/video/YW7b0wCtoKM/v-deo.htmlsi=uvtvrsswNKZr_LBY
I like how you featured the cinematographer's bible, The Cine Lens Manual by Probst and Holben in your subtle, but not so subtle shots reviewing the S5ii! In 2016, Jay Holben gave a number of amazing technical presentations at the Level One Global Cinematography Institute of Cinematography of Yuri Neyman's in Hollywood. I was privileged to be able to participate in one of the last sessions of that most inspiring program which had been created by the late Vilmos Zsigmond and Yuri Neyman. 😎😎
I'd like to see how the Mc-21 works with Tamron EF lenses like the 24-70 f2.8 G2 and the 17-35 f2.8-4.
I would LOVE some more EF lens testing
13:03 when you have your morning coffee and it runs straight through you
why are people have so much to complain about micro hdmi on the S5? the only downside of it is that you have to buy an extra cable right or is there more to it?
How it works with oldet EF L lenses (for example: 70-200/4, 17-40/4, 50/1.2L) with MC21?
A good review and analysis , the price and quality are all at a high level at Panasonic , no more is needed at this price
Is it true that the S5II is only able to use contrast detect AF in 1080 ???
Check this test.
ua-cam.com/video/dEpmUfyESRc/v-deo.html
If so I will cancel my order
Please test more Canon EF lens with Sigma adapter. Thank you.
What camera are you guys usin to shoot the review video
We list all the kit used in the video in the description! Jake
As a Nikon stills shooter (and Blackmagic cine operator) I had hoped the Z8 might improve Nikon’s video chops enough that I could consider their new offering for hybrid social media work I need to tackle these days. No open gate etc etc in the Z8 so I started to consider the alternatives. Till now the lack of phase detect has kept me away from Panasonic, but not any longer. Here’s 6k Open Gate at a very reasonable price with all the common tools I find in proper video cameras. Sold! And I have an S5IIx coming. **However** please Panasonic make it so I can feed external timecode into this camera. I don’t care about the separate port. As with the BMPCCs, allow the camera to convert the 3.5mm audio into embedded timecode. Then the S5II series would be very close to perfect.
have used the S5 over 2years. very satisficed IBIS, battery life, interfaces, codec, SD cards.
glad that I/O changed to full-hdmi (was really painful to use micro-hdmi), new AF.
disappointed parts are still not available 'no crop 4k 60fps', ergonomics, display, EVF.
but, considering price point, it is still fascinating. should wait for the S1H ii.
is it not able to shoot 4K60p in a lesser quality (4.2.0), or is any mode of 4K60p with an APS-C crop?
Thanks for showing the way the colors look directly out of the camera!👍👍
This channel is quickly becoming one of my go-to's for detailed analysis of products. Extremely helpful and thorough. Thanks guys!
I'd love to see more about the performance of EF glass on this camera. Like a lot of video folks, I'm pretty heavily invested in the EF lens mount, so this and later Panasonic cameras would be pretty desirable if EF lenses can be adapted with minimal compromise.