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I went with the 300i because it has that "camper van" kind of feel. When it's facilities are for more than show, it'll be a great way to just go camping.
It's a testament to the 300 series rework that these ships could even be compared so closely now. Before the old 300 series didn't hold a candle to the old Avenger much less the new one.
So true I could only get a mission box in it by retracting landing gear while landed and walking on the wings. The mission box could only hold behind the seat. Now its a synch. I can zip across the systems while carrying boxes. However, my go-to ship is the Freelancer.
@@Jafmanz Its a truck, and I fly the Freelancer Max all the time, the view is to feel like a Semi Truck. However, I love it, it is a workhorse, decent in combat, won't destroy your cargo :) and is a great companion. Glad that you have something else to fly with. Hopefully, they do a third pass on the 300 series, for right now it is outclassed by even the Avenger functionality wise. I had a 325a, and its going to do well with the eating mechanics and so on. However, many ships have kitchens, and right now inventory storage of food kills the ship mechanic of it.
Although I mostly fly my Freelancer DUR, I loved the Avenger Titan so much when I was upgrading my ships that I bought another one. Ok they ain't the best in any category but they are a great jack-of-all-trades and honestly I love flying it. I've gone through most of the available ships one by one and honestly the Titan is still one of my favourites! Every now & then I think about upgrading to something else but it always brings a smile to my face when I fly it. I'd prefer it to have size 2 components mind you since the rework - well at least the shields & power. It's also a little limited in range but on the whole I'd wouldn't swap it for the 300i. One of the things I really loved about the Avenger series is the lifting body look of the old 60's/70's x-planes. Sure it's not the most luxurious inside, but it's practical enough and frankly it ain't got the range for long voyages. The DUR could do with an interior rework though - for a long range Pathfinder the interior sucks plus I have no real idea why it would need 5 crew! 3 would be enough - hell make the back turret remote control from the co-pilot seat & 2 crew would be fine and you could lose 2 bunks for a seat/table or whatever.
Wish the Avenger had a dropship variant maybe in black. It always looked like a sleek drop shuttle to me and less of a fighter. Though you can still cram a strike team in back it should be fun when we can customize it.
Thanks you for doing this. This is why I subscribed. I bet that when they start the customization for it being available they will probably address some of the issues you brought up. They are much better at their ship design now compared to what they were several years back. Who knows, the crew area on the FL may come back and the proposed T window in the front. Crazy right?
I have them both and prefer the 300 series. It may not be quite as good but like you said, the look and feel matters to some people. I can really get into it when flying around ArcCorp with wine in the back snd that awesome moonroof. 325a is my favorite of all the smaller ships
I'm still ripping my hair out trying to settle on a choice with which to jump into the game. I love the style and visuals of the 300 series as well as it be ever so slightly more nimble and carries more quality of life niceties, but the Titan is more versatile and packs more heat. Impossible decision...
@@L0stEngineer That is great to know. It'll be fixed for sure, but I have been slowly leaning toward the Titan because I can just buy a 300i with UEC when I finally get in. Thanks a lot, bud.
@@Fazeshyft on a more serious note, both are good ships. The avenger is much tougher, a little slower, but more versatile. The 300 is more stylish and much better if you're hauling a friend around. Despite the little bugs, star citizen is very playable right now. They've eliminated most of the server crashes and it is very stable. I would highly recommend getting into it now. It will only get better with time.
@@L0stEngineer Make no mistake, I have intended to hop in for some time. Been following it closely. It's been a matter of getting updated components for my PC, namely a new GPU and SSD. I hope to be playing after the new year.
@@L0stEngineer So the Avenger is way better for delivery missions? I have a 300I and thinking about "downgrading" to the Avenger Titan, but how does that work when it is $5 cheaper than the 300I?
One important "attachment" the Titan (Renegade) needs is a toilet. I heard somewhere that the Stalker cells has a toilet (hopefully). If a toilet (swing out, flip down?) isn't added to the Titan (Renegade), I'll have a cell mounted forward in the cargo bay. That's if I (owner) can enter and especially exit the cell.
My first package, way back in the mists of the past, was the 315P. I still have it. The rework has been good to it. I also have the Avenger Titan. Both great ships. Good job. :)
Loving the new 315P, 12 scu in such a small ship and a tractor beam. Also picked up a 325A because it has more firepower than the titan with half the cargo but all the interior add ons.
I like the 300i purely for the *Barry White - Baller-pimp* Interior. Avenger is all around superior it even has some compartmentilisation. An Avenger Assault shuttle should be made - with like 8 jump seats in the cargo hold, toilet, re-straint/ jail pod, weapons racks.
The Freelancer MIS has been my daily workhorse for some time, and the MAX for hauling the refined ore collected from my Prospector mining successes. But I added the Titan Renegade to my garage and this has now become my new daily runaround. Good for box deliveries, light cargo, investigation and search missions, HIS, Removal and disposal missions, low level bounties, bunker missions, ECN alert missions, exploration and more.. it has fast boost acceleration and a 45 second claim time. A great all-rounder.
I'm currently running the Titan, but I'd love a ship that has living amenities like the 300i. I also really like the simplicity of the Titan and have leaned on those extra missiles a couple times already. Perhaps when the survival mechanics and space poops are expanded on we'll get a wardrobe and compact shower/toilet/WC added to more ships.
During the free to fly thing for Origin, I managed to lock myself into the cargo area of the 300i... (the lift thingy works a bit wonky when parked on uneven ground) I'll stick with my Avenger Titan. If I upgrade it will be to something like a Vanguard.
It's 2021 I bought the titan for the big easy access cargo space & bed. logging in back onto the ship was so cool & a time saver the one time it worked so far lol.
unbelievable video. I'm about to jump into this game and have been checking out all the ships across various videos on YT. This one was so well done and informative, and looked at all the angles, many I had not considered. Thanks for putting in the work, its appreciated.
i like both original and updated 300i series. i would love to have an option to keep the original 300i series as a legacy ship no longer in production. sort of like a classic car you see on the road today
@@ryxtan I'm only talking about the 300i Vs the Titan, the other varients don't compare. Otherwise it would be like asking what do you prefer, the 315p or the Warlock, lol...
I get the avenger technically offers more of a tactical advantage, but I just feel so claustrophobic and I hate being inside the ship so much that I ended up using the 300i, and It’s just more fun to use. I’ll accept having a size smaller nose cannon
Have both (well Titan and 325a), and LOVE both; my standard go-to ships for pretty much any mission, I just swap between them when one is on insurance cooldown. I would say the Titan is slightly more useful in general, but I'll also admit, I think the 325a is a bit more fun to just fly. . .
Great comparison. The 300 series has has always been a ship I have generally ignored, it has defiantly come into play now. Still miss the old shape. ;)
Very comprehensive video. Only the future will tell what is opposite the bed in the Avengers. I have a feeling it will have many things that the 300i does for survival, like a weapons rack, food dispenser and possibly a toilet as well, just not gold plated with neon lights ...
Thank you for the vidéo. I changed my avenger for a 300i, and... I still think the avenger is a better ship, for all the things you said. But the 300i is such a beautifull toy...
LOVE this series. perfect match up. Thank you for making this Video Law. excellent work here and your voice just made me sign my life earnings off to CIG. DAMN YOU ! : )
I love the Origin series. They aren't without their issues but they're the ships I would prefer IRL. For the 300i, I need some lay down prisons for bounties. Or zip ties 😆
Stalker: Assuming those prison pods will be modular, I'd have 2 prison pods and a combination suit/gun locker on one side, while leaving the other side open to haul 4 SCU of cargo. That should still leave enough room to walk through the middle. And I think that would really balance the two ships out ... unless I can exchange one of the prison pods for a porta-potty ?
Thank you this was helpful to me, because even though I knew all of this information, going over it point by point in a side by side comparison helped me sort out my thoughts on both ships. My conclusion is that the 300 series is a good ship but its not for me and I do love the Avenger. EDIT: but ok I will admit to being jealous of the sunroof.
Also, just a note.. The 300i has a lot of glitchy issues related to loading delivery boxes into that small cargo hold under the ship. Typicall you're lucky to get 1 box in there without issue 2 or more tends to cause a ton of issues and often can't even be done.
Oh, also since imo the most these ships will be used for starting out is delivery missions. It should be stated the avenger has a higher top speed which will help you get to where you're going.
you can get the NOX and the Dragonfly onto the 315P's cargo ramp when you're in space, but there's a number of edge cases that are still involved with this that I'll be addressing in my next video.
I like these vids. Good job. I'd like to see your thoughts on how the Titan stacks up to the 325a seeing as its hardpoints are more the same, but with the 325 having a relatively hefty missile payload.
Love my Titan...I mainly upgraded (considered the $$ cost reasonable) due to being able to store some cargo to make money. The Aurora was a sweet little ship, but its only capacity for cargo was placing a few boxes randomly inside somewhere behind the cockpit...not ideal and would take HOURS to accumulate any income worth writing home about ^_^ Thanks for another good video..I may hold on to my Titan for a while.. while i ponder either an upgrade or adding to my fleet a medium sized cargo hauler.
I went right past the light freighters and onto the medium. MISC Freelancer gives me heavy Firefly vibes and I like that. If anyone needs me I'll be in my bunk.
I picked the Titan Avenger, the ability to store Greycat or Dragonfly won it for me. But man the 300i is a beautiful ship, one of the best looking ships in the game
You're much better at describing ships than my friends... When asked, they advised me to look for the space penguin and make my way up to the space penis. Yes... They were talking about the Titan and the Freelancer...
I’m getting an rtx 3060 eventually. And I am so excited. And I also think I’m gonna get the avenger titan as a starter pack to start playing some Star citizen, but at the same time the 300i is so good for survi ability on long journeys and being able to keep you stocked up for ground combat.
Thanks for the video, been looking around for ages for something like this.. In the end i did upgrade my Avenger Titan to a 315, ye.. just becoz i wanna try the 315 :P
One thing I noticed about the 300 series when I first tried out the original version when the arena first launched, so not sure if it is still applicable since I've not kept up with it, is that the main thruster is exposed in a rather unique way, and taking even a small amount of damage, especially from behind can cause the whole thing to literally fall off and leave you dead in the water. It looks like they redesigned the main thruster away from the single jet engine look to a more boxy and solid look, so I'm not sure if this is still a problem and would be interested in hearing from anyone who still has been flying them in combat in that regard.
I was looking to upgrade a 100 series ship i have, but am unsure whether to get a 315P or a Titan. Your video, though informative, doesn't help me too much, as the two ship lines are pretty close. I like the extra fuel tank and tractor beam in the 315P (plus toilet and sunroof), but i like the increased weapons, cargo capacity and tumbril ranger carrying capacity of the Titan. Damn.
Not sure what you decided but the 315 has 12 cargo units of storage vs the 8 on the titan and 300i. It also has a better jump drive and more fuel. You lose out on a weapon slot in the process. I Just upgraded my 300i to a 315p. Neither the 300 or Titan are great for combat anyhow so I opted for the increased utility.
Thank you so much for making this comparison. I've been wanting to see someone make a video pitting these two ships against each other ever since they've both been reworked and improved. I might disagree with you about the Ranger though. It might actually fit due to it being about the same height as a standard cargo container. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
@@RobertSmith-yy5um You wouldn't try to close the cargo lift while you were still on the bike... nor should you unless you enjoy being crushed to death. Also, getting the Ranger under the ship shouldn't be a problem since you are able to walk underneath the 300 series. I was actually surprised that he was able to get a Greycat Buggy on the cargo lift in the video considering it is significantly taller than the Ranger. I guess we'll find out when the Ranger series becomes rideable.
I think there is a chance the ranger will fit. It is barely above waist high on a person. And an SCU is 1.25 meters tall. Which is about Sternum height. We'll see.
its shields difference only, the 325a has much more missiles and the avenger titan a walked-on cargospace !!! the Avenger urgently needs more missiles... 4:09 but you may get a greycat buggy inside ;-)
If I remember right the avenger can't take competition parts but the 300i can. there is also the high likelyhood that all origin ships will have better piping than any other maker, once that feature is in.
I plan on getting the 300i as a starter, and then buying the avenger titan with ingame creds. would be easier doing the vice versa but I really like the look of the 300i.
And now some interesting mining facility planets with crazy robots roaming the mines and caves like in the game Descent II to fly in with these tiny freight haulers to collect the crystals and minerals, and this game will be PERFECT!
Avenger is convenient for the solo play of various variety. The 300i is much better for the convenience of not stopping often which will be happening when food is a thing. I got myself a 325a to do bounty missions, for I already have a Freelancer for multi-purpose missions.
This was a ship that caught my eye and possibly would want to start with (pfft screw that wimpy mustang)- if it were modular. They are stand alone cause it is more profitable for them to sell separate variants and they are counting on people to buy the others prbably for a discounted price.. Otherwise, if they were to get rid of the separate versions of the ship, then a modular version would probably be twice the price. I guess I'll wait and see..
Avenger FTW! O tried running basic delivery missions in the 300 and it is essentially impossible to place a package on that tray and get it to stay. Ramp and a real cargo hold rules. Give me real gameplay over luxury visuals any day.
I kinda wish they made a smaller light fighter/starter ship based on the old avenger model. Give it 4 SCUs, a bed, and have the components on the outside. More manouverability, less tankyness, good starter.
The Titan has the 300i beat on most, if not all, of the numbers, but to me it feels like a boat especially in atmo. I don't know if the performance numbers actually support this, but the 300i *feels* better.
it's mainly because they did some retooling to the Gravlevs physics. And now they don't seem to play well with the smaller ships anymore. I have the same problem when it comes to trying to load the Hover Quad into a number of other vessels.
I own both ... And like both..ok my 300i is a 315p, because I hope that in approx 25 Years I can use the 315p for exploring, and my Titan for smaller business runs. But one thing I think they should reworked....retract the guns, so that the beautiful shape will better fit
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Thanks Morph, and on a side note, I absolutely love the Group Survival series you did with W4sted and Shack.
Star citizen hire this guy for vehicle commercial he's great.
legendary content and legendary comment
Yeah, he's very uncritical.
I went with the 300i because it has that "camper van" kind of feel. When it's facilities are for more than show, it'll be a great way to just go camping.
Each Star Citizen ship has its own personality, its amazing what the developers achieved.
It's a testament to the 300 series rework that these ships could even be compared so closely now. Before the old 300 series didn't hold a candle to the old Avenger much less the new one.
So true I could only get a mission box in it by retracting landing gear while landed and walking on the wings. The mission box could only hold behind the seat. Now its a synch. I can zip across the systems while carrying boxes. However, my go-to ship is the Freelancer.
@@tlove21 yeah well I lost 3 full cargoes in the 315p last night some vanished, the rest glitched and locked my cargo hold half open. was fun..
Jafman Since that post 6 months ago the 300 series is one of the buggiest ship in the verse. Get a c8x better, cheaper and more effective.
@@tlove21 im just using my donated freelancer for now its faster, better armed and more storage. only the cockipt view lets it down./
@@Jafmanz Its a truck, and I fly the Freelancer Max all the time, the view is to feel like a Semi Truck. However, I love it, it is a workhorse, decent in combat, won't destroy your cargo :) and is a great companion. Glad that you have something else to fly with. Hopefully, they do a third pass on the 300 series, for right now it is outclassed by even the Avenger functionality wise. I had a 325a, and its going to do well with the eating mechanics and so on. However, many ships have kitchens, and right now inventory storage of food kills the ship mechanic of it.
The BMW 300i VS The Honda Avenger T
Nah. X85 is BMW of SC
Origin is more Audi than bmw in my opinion!
@@Dysputant I'd say the 85X is a Jaguar XK
Titan
@@Dysputant X85 looks more like a Porsche Boxster to me
Although I mostly fly my Freelancer DUR, I loved the Avenger Titan so much when I was upgrading my ships that I bought another one. Ok they ain't the best in any category but they are a great jack-of-all-trades and honestly I love flying it. I've gone through most of the available ships one by one and honestly the Titan is still one of my favourites! Every now & then I think about upgrading to something else but it always brings a smile to my face when I fly it. I'd prefer it to have size 2 components mind you since the rework - well at least the shields & power. It's also a little limited in range but on the whole I'd wouldn't swap it for the 300i.
One of the things I really loved about the Avenger series is the lifting body look of the old 60's/70's x-planes. Sure it's not the most luxurious inside, but it's practical enough and frankly it ain't got the range for long voyages. The DUR could do with an interior rework though - for a long range Pathfinder the interior sucks plus I have no real idea why it would need 5 crew! 3 would be enough - hell make the back turret remote control from the co-pilot seat & 2 crew would be fine and you could lose 2 bunks for a seat/table or whatever.
Max Iman agreed
You forgot the most important metric: How much does it resemble a penguin?
I get more of a Manta vibe when I fly it. I don't see the penguin really maybe colors only?
It's a space orca, sir!
*penguin noise*
@@NibNa5ty i heard it... instant...
Still hear it.
@The Love Bug ikr it looks like some ner future testing space craft
Wish the Avenger had a dropship variant maybe in black. It always looked like a sleek drop shuttle to me and less of a fighter. Though you can still cram a strike team in back it should be fun when we can customize it.
Yes that fat ass of it gives me pelican dropship vibes. I cant wait for org wars. How you living development after 3 years. This is my 1st
Thanks you for doing this. This is why I subscribed. I bet that when they start the customization for it being available they will probably address some of the issues you brought up. They are much better at their ship design now compared to what they were several years back. Who knows, the crew area on the FL may come back and the proposed T window in the front. Crazy right?
I have them both and prefer the 300 series. It may not be quite as good but like you said, the look and feel matters to some people. I can really get into it when flying around ArcCorp with wine in the back snd that awesome moonroof. 325a is my favorite of all the smaller ships
I'm still ripping my hair out trying to settle on a choice with which to jump into the game. I love the style and visuals of the 300 series as well as it be ever so slightly more nimble and carries more quality of life niceties, but the Titan is more versatile and packs more heat. Impossible decision...
There's a ladder bug in 3.8 which makes it extremely difficult to carry packages into the ship. The avenger has a loading ramp. I hope that helps.
@@L0stEngineer That is great to know. It'll be fixed for sure, but I have been slowly leaning toward the Titan because I can just buy a 300i with UEC when I finally get in. Thanks a lot, bud.
@@Fazeshyft on a more serious note, both are good ships. The avenger is much tougher, a little slower, but more versatile. The 300 is more stylish and much better if you're hauling a friend around. Despite the little bugs, star citizen is very playable right now. They've eliminated most of the server crashes and it is very stable. I would highly recommend getting into it now. It will only get better with time.
@@L0stEngineer Make no mistake, I have intended to hop in for some time. Been following it closely. It's been a matter of getting updated components for my PC, namely a new GPU and SSD. I hope to be playing after the new year.
@@L0stEngineer So the Avenger is way better for delivery missions? I have a 300I and thinking about "downgrading" to the Avenger Titan, but how does that work when it is $5 cheaper than the 300I?
Excellent video!
Whould be good to talk a bit more on the 315p and 325a.
Another great video from LawoftheWest. Comparing anything to a super hornet makes for a solid video as well.
One important "attachment" the Titan (Renegade) needs is a toilet.
I heard somewhere that the Stalker cells has a toilet (hopefully).
If a toilet (swing out, flip down?) isn't added to the Titan (Renegade), I'll have a cell mounted forward in the cargo bay.
That's if I (owner) can enter and especially exit the cell.
My first package, way back in the mists of the past, was the 315P. I still have it. The rework has been good to it. I also have the Avenger Titan. Both great ships. Good job. :)
Loving the new 315P, 12 scu in such a small ship and a tractor beam. Also picked up a 325A because it has more firepower than the titan with half the cargo but all the interior add ons.
I like the 300i purely for the *Barry White - Baller-pimp* Interior.
Avenger is all around superior it even has some compartmentilisation.
An Avenger Assault shuttle should be made - with like 8 jump seats in the cargo hold, toilet, re-straint/ jail pod, weapons racks.
thanks i'll stick with my titan avenger after your great comparison... brilliant keep it up
The Freelancer MIS has been my daily workhorse for some time, and the MAX for hauling the refined ore collected from my Prospector mining successes.
But I added the Titan Renegade to my garage and this has now become my new daily runaround. Good for box deliveries, light cargo, investigation and search missions, HIS, Removal and disposal missions, low level bounties, bunker missions, ECN alert missions, exploration and more..
it has fast boost acceleration and a 45 second claim time. A great all-rounder.
I'm currently running the Titan, but I'd love a ship that has living amenities like the 300i. I also really like the simplicity of the Titan and have leaned on those extra missiles a couple times already.
Perhaps when the survival mechanics and space poops are expanded on we'll get a wardrobe and compact shower/toilet/WC added to more ships.
During the free to fly thing for Origin, I managed to lock myself into the cargo area of the 300i... (the lift thingy works a bit wonky when parked on uneven ground)
I'll stick with my Avenger Titan. If I upgrade it will be to something like a Vanguard.
It's 2021 I bought the titan for the big easy access cargo space & bed. logging in back onto the ship was so cool & a time saver the one time it worked so far lol.
Great comparison. This was an excellent video that was enjoyable throughout. Keep up the good work!
Oh man... If we only one day, could get a game like this based in the world of the original Star Wars trilogy. Thumbs up for the video ^^
unbelievable video. I'm about to jump into this game and have been checking out all the ships across various videos on YT. This one was so well done and informative, and looked at all the angles, many I had not considered. Thanks for putting in the work, its appreciated.
i like both original and updated 300i series. i would love to have an option to keep the original 300i series as a legacy ship no longer in production. sort of like a classic car you see on the road today
I''d have the Avenger over the 300i in an instance... gotta say though, that sunroof on the Origin ship is SCHA-WEET!!!
Depends on what you want with it, really. I'd take a 325a into combat before a Titan, personally, but definitely prefer a Titan for cargo.
@@ryxtan I'm only talking about the 300i Vs the Titan, the other varients don't compare. Otherwise it would be like asking what do you prefer, the 315p or the Warlock, lol...
If they add sanitation updates then 300i but I prefer Titan
I get the avenger technically offers more of a tactical advantage, but I just feel so claustrophobic and I hate being inside the ship so much that I ended up using the 300i, and It’s just more fun to use. I’ll accept having a size smaller nose cannon
as a space fedex space delivery guy my choice is the avenger because its hangar actually works with packages
I like this series. Great breakdown in comparing these 2 solid ships Law!
Greatly appreciate the side by aide comparison!! Thank!!
Have both (well Titan and 325a), and LOVE both; my standard go-to ships for pretty much any mission, I just swap between them when one is on insurance cooldown. I would say the Titan is slightly more useful in general, but I'll also admit, I think the 325a is a bit more fun to just fly. . .
The worst part about the titan is how much I love flying it compared to how boring it looks... It's just so nice to fly, but it looks so dull!
Great comparison. The 300 series has has always been a ship I have generally ignored, it has defiantly come into play now. Still miss the old shape. ;)
Very comprehensive video. Only the future will tell what is opposite the bed in the Avengers. I have a feeling it will have many things that the 300i does for survival, like a weapons rack, food dispenser and possibly a toilet as well, just not gold plated with neon lights ...
"...an act of violence..." 😂
I love my avenger. The 300i is cool looking inside and out, but I think its the load out that the avenger allows that makes me love it so much.
Thank you for the vidéo.
I changed my avenger for a 300i, and... I still think the avenger is a better ship, for all the things you said. But the 300i is such a beautifull toy...
can u buy this ship using in game currency?
@@buchanpeter No, not yet. I melted my avenger on the website ans bought the 300i the same way, mais the money of the avenger..
LOVE this series. perfect match up. Thank you for making this Video Law.
excellent work here and your voice just made me sign my life earnings off
to CIG. DAMN YOU !
: )
the picture with the current version is a must have! nice one
I love the Origin series. They aren't without their issues but they're the ships I would prefer IRL. For the 300i, I need some lay down prisons for bounties. Or zip ties 😆
Stalker: Assuming those prison pods will be modular, I'd have 2 prison pods and a combination suit/gun locker on one side, while leaving the other side open to haul 4 SCU of cargo. That should still leave enough room to walk through the middle. And I think that would really balance the two ships out ... unless I can exchange one of the prison pods for a porta-potty ?
Thank you this was helpful to me, because even though I knew all of this information, going over it point by point in a side by side comparison helped me sort out my thoughts on both ships. My conclusion is that the 300 series is a good ship but its not for me and I do love the Avenger. EDIT: but ok I will admit to being jealous of the sunroof.
is it called a "sun" roof? or a moon roof? or maybe a star roof,, no, no. :)
I bought the 325a in 2013 because I wanted a camper with the capability of decently defending itself.Its just perfect after the rework..
Same, and it look cool too :)
Great comparison!! Both are very good ships, but I love the style of the new 300 series, even more than the old version (which I also liked a lot).
bro your videos are high end and so epic keep em coming!
The 300 is also as close to Princess Vespa's wedding gift than anything else, at least in white with the brown seat.
Will you do a video comparing the 325a and the Titan or Stalker? Could be interesting.
325a fully fixed omnisky loadout is a monster, chews ships at insane range like nothing :D
This was a really good comparison, thanks man
Also, just a note.. The 300i has a lot of glitchy issues related to loading delivery boxes into that small cargo hold under the ship. Typicall you're lucky to get 1 box in there without issue 2 or more tends to cause a ton of issues and often can't even be done.
Oh, also since imo the most these ships will be used for starting out is delivery missions. It should be stated the avenger has a higher top speed which will help you get to where you're going.
You might be able to get a Nox in the cargo of the 300 if both are already flying in space. That would allow an angled approach.
Might work.
you can get the NOX and the Dragonfly onto the 315P's cargo ramp when you're in space, but there's a number of edge cases that are still involved with this that I'll be addressing in my next video.
The "sun roof" is what made me love the 300i... and ultimately buying it...
I like these vids. Good job. I'd like to see your thoughts on how the Titan stacks up to the 325a seeing as its hardpoints are more the same, but with the 325 having a relatively hefty missile payload.
Great information LotW!
Running a Stalker and Freelancer Max atm. Really liking the aesthetics of the Origin ships...that star roof on the 300i...
I just realised that the Titan looks like a Concorde that shrunk in the the wash.
With a little bit of STS Space Shuttle mixed in
Love my Titan...I mainly upgraded (considered the $$ cost reasonable) due to being able to store some cargo to make money. The Aurora was a sweet little ship, but its only capacity for cargo was placing a few boxes randomly inside somewhere behind the cockpit...not ideal and would take HOURS to accumulate any income worth writing home about ^_^
Thanks for another good video..I may hold on to my Titan for a while.. while i ponder either an upgrade or adding to my fleet a medium sized cargo hauler.
I went right past the light freighters and onto the medium. MISC Freelancer gives me heavy Firefly vibes and I like that.
If anyone needs me I'll be in my bunk.
I picked the Titan Avenger, the ability to store Greycat or Dragonfly won it for me. But man the 300i is a beautiful ship, one of the best looking ships in the game
Great video! Keep em coming love the comparison stuff. Helps a new guy like me get both sides of the coin
When I saw the 300i, I fell in love with it. I have to admit though, the Avenger has a better loadout.
You're much better at describing ships than my friends...
When asked, they advised me to look for the space penguin and make my way up to the space penis.
Yes... They were talking about the Titan and the Freelancer...
I’m getting an rtx 3060 eventually. And I am so excited. And I also think I’m gonna get the avenger titan as a starter pack to start playing some Star citizen, but at the same time the 300i is so good for survi ability on long journeys and being able to keep you stocked up for ground combat.
Very complete set of info. Really enjoyed. You do not have to decide if you just buy them both though! :)
Thanks for the video, been looking around for ages for something like this.. In the end i did upgrade my Avenger Titan to a 315, ye.. just becoz i wanna try the 315 :P
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How's she treating you?
Love the Avenger! Need to get one.
The 300i has a coffee maker which makes it superior.
One thing I noticed about the 300 series when I first tried out the original version when the arena first launched, so not sure if it is still applicable since I've not kept up with it, is that the main thruster is exposed in a rather unique way, and taking even a small amount of damage, especially from behind can cause the whole thing to literally fall off and leave you dead in the water. It looks like they redesigned the main thruster away from the single jet engine look to a more boxy and solid look, so I'm not sure if this is still a problem and would be interested in hearing from anyone who still has been flying them in combat in that regard.
I was looking to upgrade a 100 series ship i have, but am unsure whether to get a 315P or a Titan. Your video, though informative, doesn't help me too much, as the two ship lines are pretty close. I like the extra fuel tank and tractor beam in the 315P (plus toilet and sunroof), but i like the increased weapons, cargo capacity and tumbril ranger carrying capacity of the Titan. Damn.
Not sure what you decided but the 315 has 12 cargo units of storage vs the 8 on the titan and 300i. It also has a better jump drive and more fuel. You lose out on a weapon slot in the process.
I Just upgraded my 300i to a 315p. Neither the 300 or Titan are great for combat anyhow so I opted for the increased utility.
Great comparison! ... I still can't choose 😑
This is gonna be my daily driver; the avenger titan. Makes a good multi role ship
I went with the Titan because this ship sound and design is a love letter to NASA.
Thank you so much for making this comparison. I've been wanting to see someone make a video pitting these two ships against each other ever since they've both been reworked and improved. I might disagree with you about the Ranger though. It might actually fit due to it being about the same height as a standard cargo container. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...
How would you get in and out of the 300i, if you are not including the height of the rider?
@@RobertSmith-yy5um You wouldn't try to close the cargo lift while you were still on the bike... nor should you unless you enjoy being crushed to death. Also, getting the Ranger under the ship shouldn't be a problem since you are able to walk underneath the 300 series. I was actually surprised that he was able to get a Greycat Buggy on the cargo lift in the video considering it is significantly taller than the Ranger. I guess we'll find out when the Ranger series becomes rideable.
I think there is a chance the ranger will fit. It is barely above waist high on a person. And an SCU is 1.25 meters tall. Which is about Sternum height.
We'll see.
325a vs stalker? keep up the great work man!
its shields difference only, the 325a has much more missiles and the avenger titan a walked-on cargospace !!! the Avenger urgently needs more missiles...
4:09 but you may get a greycat buggy inside ;-)
Excellent video m8 keep it up!
I hope we will be able to put 4 holding cells and 4 cargo crates into the Avenger, instead of either one or the other 🤔
You should be able to put people into crates with holes.
If I remember right the avenger can't take competition parts but the 300i can. there is also the high likelyhood that all origin ships will have better piping than any other maker, once that feature is in.
Excellent comparison video great work man!
I would rather go with the 300 series. I like The Sexy of it lol!
I plan on getting the 300i as a starter, and then buying the avenger titan with ingame creds. would be easier doing the vice versa but I really like the look of the 300i.
And now some interesting mining facility planets with crazy robots roaming the mines and caves like in the game Descent II to fly in with these tiny freight haulers to collect the crystals and minerals, and this game will be PERFECT!
Avenger is convenient for the solo play of various variety. The 300i is much better for the convenience of not stopping often which will be happening when food is a thing. I got myself a 325a to do bounty missions, for I already have a Freelancer for multi-purpose missions.
This was a ship that caught my eye and possibly would want to start with (pfft screw that wimpy mustang)- if it were modular. They are stand alone cause it is more profitable for them to sell separate variants and they are counting on people to buy the others prbably for a discounted price.. Otherwise, if they were to get rid of the separate versions of the ship, then a modular version would probably be twice the price. I guess I'll wait and see..
I watched liked and subbed to everyone who posted a video on my birthday (plus I am following star cit) so it works.
Avenger FTW! O tried running basic delivery missions in the 300 and it is essentially impossible to place a package on that tray and get it to stay. Ramp and a real cargo hold rules. Give me real gameplay over luxury visuals any day.
I kinda wish they made a smaller light fighter/starter ship based on the old avenger model. Give it 4 SCUs, a bed, and have the components on the outside. More manouverability, less tankyness, good starter.
I got the warbond holiday titan package for my birthday (new years eve) all I need now is a new pc to play it on.
Very well done; I want more like this.
Had the Avenger Titan just upgraded to the 315P, no reason not to buy both they are really cheap.
All hail the glorious space penguin!
The Titan has the 300i beat on most, if not all, of the numbers, but to me it feels like a boat especially in atmo. I don't know if the performance numbers actually support this, but the 300i *feels* better.
The 300 series is pretty, but having used both, I much prefer how the Avenger handles in combat
Did they rework the Titan or the Dragonfly? I couldn't fit a Dragonfly in anymore. They exploded instead
it's mainly because they did some retooling to the Gravlevs physics. And now they don't seem to play well with the smaller ships anymore. I have the same problem when it comes to trying to load the Hover Quad into a number of other vessels.
Nice balanced view my friend, great video as always
Another excelent video, pretty informative ty again
this settles it. i will be buying a titan as my first ever ship!! currently using the loaner during the free fly and have been loving it
Excellent! I hope you get some good use out of it. o7
@@lawofthewestgaming thanks man!! Im sure i will!
God they need to make the cities walkable and rich deep environments
Can you just leave the cargo bay open to carry the greycat ? or is it will automaticaly closed the acrgo bay after launch or enter quantum travel.
I own both ... And like both..ok my 300i is a 315p, because I hope that in approx 25 Years I can use the 315p for exploring, and my Titan for smaller business runs.
But one thing I think they should reworked....retract the guns, so that the beautiful shape will better fit
If its a Penguin, Its a Winner! >=O though the 300i looks so sexy.
Quality vid +10
Note the Squadron 42 slice had an Avenger that was either a Titan with a couple of Cells, or a Stalker, with some cells removed.