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- When is the Star Trek Discovery Short Trek episode Calypso taking place? The AI Zora says she's been waiting in the Nebula for a 1000 years, so when does this episode occur in the Star Trek timeline and universe? When is Calypso in time?
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I really loved this Short Trek episode... it had a lot of mystery to it, and it's fun to speculate just WHEN in time Discovery is ending up...? Let me know your thoughts below and Trek On! :)
I hadn't gotten around to watching this episode until now. This "Craft" person says his enemy was the V'draysh. So...he is talking about the Federation...
Considering time travel is involved here, Calypso could take place in an alternate timeline. But isn't it also possible that a liberated Zora is what infects Control from a future reality? To stop the V'draysh?
If that's the case...the Discovery crew are actually in a predestination paradox. Its possible their very existence is what destroys the Federation. Otherwise, I don't think we've been given enough clues to say anything with certainty.
And so..."The Burn"...is actually Burnham?
@@wj3186 That would be pretty crazy if the Burn=Burnham, but I could see the producers doing something like that. Maybe it won't be revealed immediately in s3, but with time travel part of the mix there could be a future season where she time travels back and initiates whatever 'the burn's effect is...
@@wj3186 For sure that episode of Calypso is going to tie in somehow to whatever is happening in S3 - or perhaps its a 1000 years on from S3, which would be even crazier. I liked your idea about the Discovery crew being in a predestination paradox, having them come full circle by the end of the series and maybe we learn that Burnham = the Burn.
Calypso might connection to season 3 of Discovery even though they just refitted that ship with 1031-A now?
STD S5 E10 just dropped, thats why I'm here. Cause the last scene was in relation to this short trek.
Me too
My question is will the USS Discovery come back for a movie set in the 42nd Century after the Calypso story?
Would the maker of the enigmatic technology that predated even the Proginators themselves and perhaps many more ancient civilizations as described by the Proginator, possibly return to remake the lost gateway or possibly remove the gateway out from the primordial blackhole into space since they are advanced enough to make a tech that survived Billion or even Trillions of Years until the timeline set after the Calypso took place in the 42nd-century timeline and set to make another huge wave all over again. I mean if they are beyond Dimensional Beings their gateway could even survive a black hole and even they as the creator of that technology must still be alive somewhere beyond the multiverse taking their time waiting for another story to take place?
If the Enigmatic Prehistoric Primordial/Precursor Race was so advanced what technological level would they must have attained? Did they still keep on advancing their technology or did they suffer the same problem as many sci-fi races go through called Stagnation? So many questions to ask, so many questions left un-answered!
Some of these comments confuse me.. And I am here from the last discovery episode also
Same
This video is 4 years old? Interesting that we seen now at the end of the series, captain Burnham takes Discovery to this mysterious location to wait for something far into the future. Maybe in order to rescue the protagonist in this short episode. Maybe, he has some very important part to play in his time. I really like this actor and would love to see him leading in a Star Trek series of his own.
Amen
Agreed, "Kovich" has a plan for Craft, we just don't know what it is. I'd be super into a 42nd-century Trek series.
“I’ll do you one better! Why is Calypso?”
Now we are in season 4 and Zora exists. In fact, I'm watching this video because of that fact.
Me 2!
And now the series just ended and we got even more information about this!
This is very interesting. Even a possible back door the new Paramount could use to reboot the series with a new crew. How about the first AI to captain a starship. After 1k years Disco and Zora are one and the same.
My theory is that the soldier was a prototype for the character that became Booker. The Short Trek showed a future that wasn't to be because of story re-writes. I really liked the story and the universe it hinted at though. I just don't think it'll ever be explained and just sit as an anomaly or a little bit of Star Trek fun just like the episode with the tardigrade and the DOT.
It's really not necessary that everything fit into place or have an explanation. Sometimes it's nice to just let some things be and enjoy them for what they are.
Well it is all revealed now. Zora is the sphere and they are in the far far further. But what was the red mission that she had to be alone for 1000 years? Why federation left her alone? They wanted her to be free again like when she was the sphere? Who knows.
Hi 5 years later here its takes place 1,000 years after 3188
Before the finale of season 2, I had assumed the crew was going to go the future without the ship and it’s hidden for 1000 years waiting for them.
Hi! You need to update the theory with the final chapter of season 5, now on may 2024
She says she's 'been waiting alone since the crew left' .... for almost 1000 years.
4years later these theories are like a child’s wild imagination
So basically, if this were to be implemented in STD, Discovery herself would be her own character thanks to zora
Now we know!
My theory for this Calypso Short Trek is this: In another universe, different from the prime timeline, terran or even kelvin ( this Discovery don’t have spore hub). The population of the galaxy had dropped significantly after an unknown event, which make USS Discovery one of the last vessel of the Federation (that’s why after a thousand year, no other vessel spot the abandoned Discovery). On an expedition, all Discovery personel decided to land on the planet nearby and Zora was given order to stay put by her captain. The crew may have accidently enter a time distortion field on that planet which might explain why the anchored Discovery still waiting by the time Zora encounter the escape pod. Forgive me if there’s nothing make sense.
i agree but it cant be terran as the discovery was destroyed when coming into the other universe
Plus this discovery can't be the same now that we know it doesn't even have the new detached nacelles with the programmable matter.
We need an update for this theory
i remember before the Short Trek actually aired they flubbed up and accidentally said it was set "the farthest" out of anything Trek had ever did, like year 4500ish or something, then they quickly anounced that "well maybe its 1000 years" lol. dont anyone else remember that?
Oh that's really interesting... that could tie in with where they are now in Season 3, and it being even further in the future after that then. V interesting tidbit, thanks for the share! :)
Maybe Georgio is joining section 31 in this timeline, in season 3 or 4..
Those are some amazing theorycrafting! The far far future version is my bet, and it's depressing to think about. Maybe the show discovery is proceeding on a path of "discovering" the future.
I really hope they don’t go the route of the far future is bleak...
Great ideas here!
Thanks!
Nice move Discovery Finale
All these theories are possible....And then, in series 3, they stuck an 'A' on the end of Discovery's registration number. Damn it.
Haha totally 😂
@@StarTrekTheory Any new theories on how or why the Discovery is in the nebula? It can't be the Discovery-A, can it?
Something the Guardian of Forever said, there are other versions of people and things, in a universe where the Red Angel failed, this is the most likely thing they could try next to avoid Control's preferred ending.
As a Side Note: Soldier implies War.
@@LeeHutchingsdrumsUK It’s not. This Discovery comes from a timeline/universe/reality where it never went into the future but was instead abandoned by its crew.
Now I'm really confused. Discovery got a refit. So what ship is this?
The Discovery from an alternate timeline, one where the ship never went to the future but instead was hidden away from Control by its crew which then abandoned it.
well know you know!
@@ML-yn9yu lol it's been a crazy ride.
@@thomashong2938nice guess but it’s not 😂
@@EB-mu9ex Yeah. I still like the idea a bit better than what they came up with. An alternate timeline would have explained away the Klingon time crystal vision that both Reno and Burnham had of Control taking out Disco’s bridge crew and the Enterprise being destroyed. It had to have happened in either a preceding or an adjacent timeline. It’s a bit hard to swallow that the Federation leadership would knowingly watch their galactic alliance devolve into the V’Draysh over the next 1000 years and do nothing other than Daniels/Kovich sending Discovery and Zora to wait a millennium for Craft to cross their path. That’s way too passive for Daniels, given what we know about the character.
Option 2 and 3 are not possible by the evidence in the short, IMO. After Discovery (NCC-1031) jumped to 3250, it was retrofitted with tech from that era and was re-designated "NCC-1031-A" You can clearly see the absence of "-A" when it is pulling in Craft's ship via tractor beam. This rules out the 4250 (far far future) theory. And since we know that after Season 2 the ship had a full crew compliment before it jumped to 3250, it cannot be the same star ship. Now, Zora only became self-aware after she merged with the Sphere data in 2257 going into the 33rd Century. It is here, it seems, that we have an overlap in continuity. This ship must be on an alternate timeline or mirror universe where the Discovery crew and the Discovery itself carried on in the 33rd Century while the original Discovery got left behind or thrust into another universe. This might explain why there is no crew yet Zora still was able to evolve to sentience post-Control due to retaining the Sphere data. Cheers :)
They actually reversed the retrofitting and made her look like her old self.
At the end of season 5 the refit was 'undone' and was restored to her original configuration.
@@fu4616 yes, now we know. Clever. They tied it all up nicely.
Discovery was stranded 940 years in the future, not 1000. It should be closer to 3190 in the 3:00 graphic, not 3250.
another theory it could be from an alternate timeline
Yes, this Discovery is yellow.
@@priscilaborges68 and it's missing the A designation as well
After 2 years and now season 4 is up… This video showed up in my recommendation
It showed up in mine, too, and you are a year in my past.
You haven’t updated your channel in 2 years. It’s time, to return, and make a follow up to this video. 🙇🏾
It takes place in season 5
Sounds good to me, although I have to admit I struggled to buy the whole 'send it to the future because we couldnt destroy it' premise. Enterprise only fired 2 or 3 torpedos at it before giving up, how blummin strong were the discoverys shields?! The thing was a sitting duck, surely the federation flagship could have just keep firing until it was destroyed?! Failing that a deliberate core breach would have worked!
Haha I didn't get that either... it's not exactly the most logical thing or first thing to come to mind - 'Oh we can't destroy the ship, I know we have to send it to the future' :) I guess their story logic was that the sphere data took over Discovery's computers and wouldn't allow it to self destruct, and the sphere data itself wanted to be shared with any other computers in order to keep that data alive (the sphere creature having wanted to pass on what it learned), so it would have gladly shared with Control... but yeah its all a little convoluted. I have the feeling that in Season 3 we may already get glimpses of an early Zora emerging having fused with that sphere data, which could be nice.
@@StarTrekTheory I think part of the problem is I'm thinking about disco like a Trek fan, Disco is best enjoyed as a more casual fan of entertaining, high CGI action shows! Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed disco, particully the second season, but I really struggle to mentally put it into cannon and line everything up! The ending especially felt reallly lazy, just having star fleet command declare Discovery and the spore drive classified felt like a lazy way to make up for so many elements that felt too advanced for the 2250s and didnt gel with other series!
dr-nerd I have to agree with you. On its own it’s fine as a bit of light entertainment, but it’s still lacking that Star Trek feeling for most of the episodes. There were a lot of really good season 2 episodes which are getting closer, especially Pike himself but also the episode where they found the colony from the wwiii survivors (that episode felt like classic trek somehow). But we almost have to come up with theories just to retcon the series into the franchise. My hope is they will do something like a debilitating computer virus (which is what I thought control would turn into) which essentially forces all tech to devolve so it starts to lineup with the original series retro look... I have to say though I’m rewatching a lot of the episodes for new videos for the channel and it’s a LOT better on a second viewing, especially s1 knowing it gets lighter after all the dark mirror universe stuff. So hopefully if they continue on their path into s3 it will keep getting brighter and more optimistic. That’s my hope :)
@@StarTrekTheory Ha, I almost mentioned the new eden episode myself, it really is the only properly 'treky' episode so far! Probably no coincidence that Johnathan Frakes directed that one!
@@drnerd Totally! That was one of their best episodes yet... Frakes really understands Trek. His involvement in any of these series is cause for optimism - let's hope they make him an exec producer on one of them :)
What future knowledge, they were stranded in the future. In order to have future knowledge they would have to interact with whatever civilization is left and gain access to their historical records which no doubt would be sparse and largely fictitious or at least politically and ideologically influenced of anything that happened 900 years ago. Even the continued existence of civilizations are not known to last that long so whatever they interact with may not even have any knowledge of the federation except for a few ruins and relics. There's no indication that returning from being stranded 900 years in the future would give you any useful information of the near future.
I would also say the second option is the one you would like to be, not necessarily the most probable.
S3 looks like it's taking a lot from the andromeda series...a holographic ai computer would fit the pattern
I have a better question. Why is Calypso?
Well this video needs to be revised!
This didn't age well and all things here are answered. Burnum takes it to the Nebula flys home. Its left there until Humanity is at a level where the ship can be on the same level. Section 31 coming out soon.
season 3 states the year is 3189 btw
to be honest that entire short film of calypso never really made sense to begin with. I believe it was just a random put together between seasons that had no relation to anything. There was no explanation to why discovery was just cased out into space to be alone, even in the final episode of the show it wasn't explain. maybe I have to go back a rewatch it. it a red directive, that mean nothing. there was nothing behind that information wise. it just another thing in discovery fashion, just like the whole show, oh we are just doing it for now reason at all. it makes no sense in the end and now they wanted (the creators) to give it meaning. Yeah, that's pretty stupid but expected. the show itself wasn't that great. it did get better at times, but it never truly felt like a real show. Some of the characters were better than others which helped it along, but in the end, I don't see the point to this. If someone out there can explain it to me, please.
Ok... so Georgiou is out as per the latest episode... so one theory down...
I think Discovery landed 1000 years in the future. Burnham landed 2000 years in the future. The Discovery crew left the ship where Michael could find it.
It’s a great idea - I definately agree that they end up in different times (the slight gap between them entering the time portal would throw them to different eras on exit)... however, imo I think Burnham arrives first and needs to wait for Discovery. But your theory about them being a 1000 years apart is super interesting, that would be quite cool actually.
@@StarTrekTheory Right. As long as Discovery lands in an earlier timeframe than Michael. By at least 1000 years. Then that could explain Calypso.
E-discovery is responsible for the burn
Well now we have seen the answer, and the ideas here just underscore how terrible Discovery’s writing was.
this is the most ridiculous thing. Starfleet should have destroyed it before it became rampant
Тhe word Greek does not exist in the time when the Odyssey and the Iliad were written. Greek is modern mythology now that is true true Greek mythology.
Nope.