I have panamera turbo with 260 000km and it runs very good.I bought it with 226 000km from switzerland.Fixed front right air suspension,400euro.I changed gearbox oil and all filters and engine oil every 10 000 km.I traveled from Bosnia and Herzegovina to Moscow with it and back.It is about 6500 km to go there and back.Enjoing and love to drive it.
Porsches are decent on reliability, 200k on a Lexus/Toyota is their break in period, I have never even seen a Porsche with over 300k let alone 400k and up unless it was completely rebuilt. While on the other hand Toyotas and Lexus vehicles easily reach a good 300k no problem
@@reddzjagulus756 ..Just one thing, most Porsches are weekend toys that are one of the most enjoyable cars in the world. Can't say that about any Japanese cars. Own one and then comment.
@@DarkstarDarth Once again, even if most are, you’d still see some that would have that much mileage, the reason you don’t see that many is because they break down FAR earlier than a Lexus or Toyota would
Exactly bro... Like yeah if you get one with 200k miles more things can break but you can very well get one with less miles and less problems. Also having some money sat aside for maintenance & repairs.
Agreed....just deleted my 1 hr rant. I can afford that beater 911 but thank him for the lesson. We know ourselves and if financially viable. Not sum you tuber with the most hated 911 model. 2005 911 is cheap now even S and turbo models...lets wait and see?
$6,500 per rotor is insane. You can get Brembo for much less. There are many alternate options as well. I do agree there is a level of “you gotta pay to play” comment. A lot of the maintenance can be done at home if people are willing to put in the effort.
Yeah he's full of shit saying that Ceramic brakes cost $25k for all four! I have a 2013 Cayenne Turbo S and new Ceramic rotors and pads from the dealer are around $8k for everything!
I have a Panamera and I absolutely love it. I’ve had it 5 years and so far had no problem with it. I duel residency between Scottsdale AZ and Vegas. I drive it back and forth all the time and it runs great. Just got the front brakes done last week it cost $1,200 that was with a private mechanic. So my advice to anyone who wants to buy one make sure you get a really good reputable mechanic. It’s still expansive but not as expensive as going to the dealer. If you live in Vegas German motors & MVR does an amazing Job . If you are in the AZ Scottsdale Area Ray Co is where I took my car for years and had absolutely no issue.
Thank you for your boldness and honesty. I was thinking about buying a used one of these (2014) because it was affordable, but after hearing what you had to say, I'm out. I do not make 6 figures lol. Thank you
If you're going to buy a car like this, learn to do your own breaks and oil. Better yet, know how to do it well before you get a car like this so you are experienced doing it right. Of all the simpler things you can do to save money and keep you care maintenance properly, those are the big ones. I've seen the break jobs being done by so-called "professionals" and you can typically take the time and do a better job yourself while saving big money and even using better parts. As far as oil, the last time I ever had a dealer do my oil, I got home just about to go on a big trip and saw oil dripping. Turns out they barely put the plug back in, and it was a half-turn from falling out and would have left me stranded with a cooked engine on a brand new car. Why? Because typically they are in a rush to get to other cars backlogged, and even working on others at the same time and forget where they left off with yours because they have a lot to get to. You probably have more time and desire to make sure it's done with care because mainly, it's your car. Vehicles like this mainly have reliability issues after being bought used because people want to treat it like a camry or other cheaper car and let the midas' and jiffy lubes of the world service them. You can do a hack job on a Civic by these outfits, and it will survive (kinda), but your more sensitive and more temperamental German or British cars probably won't.
I'm a disabled veteran and a single dad, so for additional income while he's at school I drive the local auto auctions. Over the past 2 years I've driven $3000.00 cars and some God awful abominations that will probably cost someone more than it's worth, some so bad I seriously consider saying fuck it I don't care if you fire me I'm not getting in that and so far actually did say that twice. Moving on.... Mercedes, BMW. Audi can be hit or miss and at this point if I see a Maserati or a Jaguar, unless it's a late 80's one I start running the numbers to find out the first car of the day that if chosen will eventually lead to that car ie. You have one lane with 136 cars to run through the auction and you have between 4-8 people that will be driving them all through and the car in question is in spot 57 so you figure put which particular vechile in that 4-8 car line the driving in this means unless you stop driving for a few minutes to use the bathroom people would have come and gone so you get knocked out of order. The majority of the time x amount of cars leaving never "pass" each other so if it's like 6 cars you get the picture I also do that if I see something I really want to drive unfortunately it's used more for avoidance. Lexus is always rock solid and so is Porsche. I've fallen in love with the Panamera and knowing there's an actual useful reason why the back end looks the way it does. So I can take in and enjoy the good parts and over 2 years that back end has started to look beautiful too. Over the last 2 years I've driven an easy 25 of them spanning all years of the 1st generation and trim levels. The few that weren't practically perfect had minor issues that wasn't the fault of the car but it's previous owner instead. So far things are set to buy a GTS before the year is through. I still need to run the numbers on how much money I should realistically have set aside each month for the "Keep the Porsche repaired fund."
Does it have any problems with engine and transmission? Planning to buy one with 70k miles. Can u advice what should I check first? How is engine reliability? Is it solid?
@@lucky_el8401 i have 2014 gts,some of v8’s have some serious problems when they are pretty much new,with 70k miles should be ok,anyway it’s very expensive to fix anything,i drive it and I’m scared that if trans brakes if it even worth to replace it because I don’t think someone will fix it,but as car i love it,so much fun
@@Arson-hm6oe true my thing is why in the hell a car that is 80k-100k brand new . Isn’t designed to get 260k miles. When I’ve seen Buick Lesabre & 99 e320 wit 275k original miles
He works for the dealership, so of course he is going to push the, "Going to the dealership is best" agenda. It's the old, "UPSELL" type of mentality. Hey, I'm sure there are certain things dealerships may do better/easier with a Lift and what not. But if you have a lift and decent tools/German tools(Triple Square, Torx Tools, etc..), plus check your resources (FORUMS) I'm sure you'll do just fine.
Bentley manuals pay for themselves as well. While I typically try to avoid dealerships (haven’t been to one in 19 years), I think something like following the maintenance schedule through the dealer should be fairly uneventful. If you feel like you’re being taken for a ride beyond the scheduled work, just get a second opinion.
Porsche you should constantly be aware of whats warranty or recall work, youll save infinitely more money having porsche do repairs through warranty than being unaware and fixing things with a manual
Actually, if you watch the video, he is in disagreement with Porsche's PDK service intervals (which is adhered to by the dealers) as it is not often enough. If you service the PDK often enough, you will not have what many consider to be an "inevitable" failure.
the IRONY was impeccable "TIMING CHAIN" was too expensive "HERE" so they went "There" then had to do it "here">.< LMFAO as if that "BRAND/FAMILY" of ownership group isnt famous for engine pull repairs....across entire platforms...UH oh your "audi/porche" needs to be JIGGED to do a routine/ pt to pt fender repair...guess well have to pay the labor rate time and a half for these procedures XD lmfao. Just ppl with purchasing power that wouldnt know the "ingenuity" in their car no matter the amount of times they hit the limit of their shit tire selection/sidewall....or the casuals that dont even wash their luxury cars...and have exhaust burn/stains on their bumpers...and tire rubber and break dust all over their bumper/panels. But hey at least theyre better than me.
That's why I bought an extended warranty. It was the most expensive warranty I've ever bought, however, all it takes is a bad transmission, and it will pay for itself in spades.
@@danielfl.9347 I agree, the PDK is widely known as one of the best if not the best automatic transmission available, but it was more of an example of costly parts if you had to actually replace it. There are several brands out there that are just as expensive as Porsches, but nowhere near the build quality.
I have never heard of anyone going though a set of carbon ceramic break rotors unless you are racing it.. so not likely you'd ever have to replace them for the life of the car.
@@vladimirtalijan What dealership says this? This is because you don't pay any attention to what he said in the video or have any clue what service means. He said they serviced the car for many years, how does service mean transmission oil only? Wow you are very special!
to me the IRONY is the aspect as IF the timing chain isnt an inherent issue/change/pull job that plagues the platform. Then in part to the brakes/hard driving....well then EXPLAIN how driving like this WOULDNT lead to having to get the chain/engine pulled/other "NEEDS" tensioners etc mounts/bushings and so on....as if theyre just routine/cheap jobs and equate to making a car livable. As theyd be constant/necessary "maintenance"
I bought the car with a still valid extended warranty. If I wouldn't have done that I would be always afraid of that big, bad breakdown. I only use the best oil and gas to prevent anything bad from happening.
100k service was $3500. tires once a year is about $1500. I do my own oil changes. brakes are about $3500-4500 every 40-60k miles. suspension failure is $4500. @@nataliegrn17
I don't consider myself a mechanic but these things are tempting. I'd only buy one with cash, and for the price, I might get a Cayman or something. Another good car to get would be an Audi S8 with the V8 and 6mt. Could also get a fairly clean F30 BMW 340i with that sweet B58. I personally will do as much mechanical work as I could for any car I'll own.
I'm looking at a 1 owner 2011 Porsche Panamera 4 with 58k miles for $30k. so it would seem to be a bargain if i can get over 200k miles with keeping up maintenance.
Good insight Im thinking of a Macon GTS for my wife and have turned wrenches before on other brands. Anyone who clamps on the hose and puts worm clamps on to add insult to injury should be flogged. Thanks for posting sire.
With all due respect I believe the old clamp left on the hose was placed specifically in order to keep the section of the hose firm around the opening of the valve in the hose. Thoughts?
Yes done it myself on an old Jag once , the extra hose clip will assist in keeping the hose in shape during max running temp allowing max fluid to pass through the hose.
I got same color 3.6 panamera…that’s my toy for big boy))it runs cool,and give a lot of good emotions))yep,sometimes it’s too expensive,but,it’s Porsche….))
Nope !!! He says « you can change your PDK oil every 60k but you’ll change your transmission every 80k ! » I guess Change transmission = brake transmission 8-/
I'm buying a used Cayenne turbo and the only reason I'm buying one is my brother-in-law ownes a well respected shop and I only pay for parts. And I can do almost anything myself. If I had to pay for labor I would just get a used Explorer and save a few.
This dude makes comments about how only certain people are qualified to work on the vehicle, then describes the vehicle cost in terms of yearly income like he's a certified financial planner. Just quote the service cost and don't presume you know our budgets.
Yep, and he is 100% correct; he is a shop owner and a trained Porsche tech and does very well. You can maybe learn a thing or two. 95% of customers who drive these cars can't afford them. Glad this video was made because all of us who own Porsche shops are tired of customers complaining about something as simple as an oil change price or regular routine maintenance, not even talking about bigger repairs. How about each pneumatic strut costing $3800 a piece and times that by 4+ labor, yeah about 15k. Yes, you do need a six-figure income; working for Tyson chicken won’t cover it.
@@motorsports5614 is that 6-figures with kids, or 6-figures with retirement investment? What about $90k free cash flow with the house paid off and an empty nest? I'm sure this guy has had lots of customers that can't afford their vehicles. However, his advice would be way more useful if it was an estimate of cost per year instead of making hand-wavy assumptions about my income.
What is your advise in buying one from Total loss auctions. Specific with hits in the front, or rear or sides. Which one will you consider worse to buy to fix yourself (I weld my own cars). Not sure if there are super expensive parts in any of those areas or special metals i cannot weld with my Gas MIG welder. Also what years to stay away due to known issues? Thanks
Before u buy the car u try to identifies what part u change and the u do maths and price check of the parts and the u decide what u can spend on salvage to buy in good price range because lots of people pay more than it on the street with fukin clean title.
Rodney Glover your comment has zero standing. I can say the exact opposite, three of my friends had these and have experienced issues that are being addressed in the video. How about go do some research first on the Porsche forum before making yourself sound very ignorant.
Hey Nick! Who makes the best automotive parts and the better cars, mercedez=benz, audi, or porche? I wanted to know which European brand is worth learning if any. I lose my mind when I see expensive piles of shit that don't work. Like Fords
Porsche is approved by Scotty Kilmer. Dont believe that 6500 rotor, when i had a Maserati they wanted 12000 to replace the breakes, guess what Maserati has Mercedes breaks i replaced the breakes myself and cost me 500, there is always cheap alternative just need to look around. i have a porsche cayenne now with ower 200k and has zero issue
I'm still thinking and researching....I do know a great mechanic that is a beast on fixing foreign cars!. He's willing to go with me to make sure there is nothing when I decides to purchase this car. So that works in my favor. But keep researching don't give up! GL & blessings
Me too! ..I am actually looking for one between 2013-2018. Mileage between 24,000-75,000 miles..Any miles over this, I'm not messing with. And must be no more than a one-two owners...Four owners with low miles is saying there trouble somewhere.
So I got the right answer! Around 100k miles is the sweet spot. The value of the car is under 30k and all of the common issues is fixed already with stronger components. I just got a 2014 one with a 100k miles with a good service history and it’s in better condition than some 50k panameras. All the common expensive issues is already fixed and the price was really good. Little tip: less extras, less problem! Try to find one with no air suspension and without all unnecessary extras! I’m really happy with it and I hope you can find a good one aswell!
the cars are made very well, as long as the car is under warranty. After that you better have very deep pockets or a professional mechanic with atleast some Porsche knowledge if not throw the car away !
Trans fluid every 80,000 miles? My Lexus ('97 LS400 196,000 miles) and Acura ('99 TL 294,000 miles) are still on their original trans and exhaust. Seen plenty of wheel damage, alignment issues and tire wear problems. The kinda stuff you never see on a Honda or Toyota.
It’ll definitely work for that long but that doesn’t mean it’s healthy for the trans. Give those babies a drink of fresh fluid and they’ll last you for way more years to come.
Very nice video. BTW, I have an issue with my 2009 Panamera 970 which driving me crazy...I got almost everything in the front changed, Air Suspension Strut, Air Bags, Upper and Lower Control Arms, Sway Bars, Engine and Transmissions Bushes, Steering Rack bushes...and checked few times for the torque of ALL those bolts. They are all fine. But it makes a metal cracking noise, very likely form LEFT hand side when I turn my wheel to the right, either the car is stationary, or driving slowly especially in/out form parking space. When the steering almost reach the end, it makes one loud metal cracking nose...it just like something broken. Any hints for this? I am crying all these days recently when I heard that, I love my Pannamera...
If yours is a awd model that sounds like axels or cv joints. Have the same thing going on my Camry where a shit mechanic replaced my front right axel without my knowledge (mind you the pervious one was brand new). That’s most likely the issue
I had the same issue on my car. Jut filled it up with power steering fluid to the top. I think the power steering started to go bad and one sign of that is noise when steering in place or at low speeds
I wonder if they have made much newer improvements on this engine design. I'm looking at purchasing a 2016 GTS or 2017 4 or 4S. Type 970 and 971 engines. I need to do more research then.
@@animaticentertainment9663 I’ve heard nothing but good on any year except year one and those issues were minor. My friend sells them used at his dealership that specializes in euro cars. He laughed when I said I was interested in one after owning Audi’s he said “oh something with little to no maintenance?” He owns a limited production one and owned one before that in his fleet. Loves selling them. No issues. Remember when you search issues you get just that, not the greater number of trouble free ones.
@@512TXSDIY hell even amazonbasics oil is approved for UA-cam and if preforms just as well if not better then some brands like Pennzoil, but I’ll stick to mobile1
Kinda late to the game here but it should be noted that the Panamera V8 is NOT the same as the VW derived Cayenne V8. Part of the reason Cayennes are cheaper to buy.
Looks like you are confusing engines. All V8 4.8L including turbo models are made For Panamera and Cayennes. But the V6 3.6L in the Panamera and the VR6 version in the Cayenne are not the same and the VR6 engine is made by VW. Hope that helps!
@@TopAutomotiveInc Perhaps. First question - my research shows that the V6 in the base Panamera is literally the V8 from the Panamera with 2 cylinders missing. Am I off base here? To be clear, I'm only talking about the 970 era Panamera's. Not the current ones.
The 1st gen Cayenne V6 engines were VW derived VR6 . Porsche did some work on the cylinder head to get the power up to 290hp. The base V6 in the Panamera was all Porsche. The Hybrid models used an Audi sourced V6.
I have panamera turbo with 260 000km and it runs very good.I bought it with 226 000km from switzerland.Fixed front right air suspension,400euro.I changed gearbox oil and all filters and engine oil every 10 000 km.I traveled from Bosnia and Herzegovina to Moscow with it and back.It is about 6500 km to go there and back.Enjoing and love to drive it.
is it reliable ?? engine and gearbox wise
Druze jel ga jos uvijek imas? Koliko si jos kilometraze nabio i koliko popravaka?
@@djessbolan prodao na 285000.Nije mi se kvarila uopšte.
So.... You drove one for 34000 kms and think you can say something about reliability?
@@ekevanderzee9538 61 000 everything was ok
Fear mongering on Porsche ownership is pretty silly. They are as reliable as a Lexus as proven by most Porsche owners.
That’s what I’ve been hearing.
Porsches are decent on reliability, 200k on a Lexus/Toyota is their break in period, I have never even seen a Porsche with over 300k let alone 400k and up unless it was completely rebuilt. While on the other hand Toyotas and Lexus vehicles easily reach a good 300k no problem
@@reddzjagulus756 ..Just one thing, most Porsches are weekend toys that are one of the most enjoyable cars in the world. Can't say that about any Japanese cars. Own one and then comment.
@@DarkstarDarth Once again, even if most are, you’d still see some that would have that much mileage, the reason you don’t see that many is because they break down FAR earlier than a Lexus or Toyota would
Exactly bro... Like yeah if you get one with 200k miles more things can break but you can very well get one with less miles and less problems. Also having some money sat aside for maintenance & repairs.
“Don’t get mad at me for saying you can’t afford it…” appreciate the brutal honesty. We all have to understand what we are getting into.
The guy that's making the video can't afford it?
Agreed....just deleted my 1 hr rant. I can afford that beater 911 but thank him for the lesson. We know ourselves and if financially viable. Not sum you tuber with the most hated 911 model. 2005 911 is cheap now even S and turbo models...lets wait and see?
You can afford one of these if you make less than 6 figures as long as you don’t have a $3k mortgage.
I just bought a Panamera 4, used. I'm a nurse earning below six figures but I own my home outright. I couldn't imagine owning one otherwise
$6,500 per rotor is insane. You can get Brembo for much less. There are many alternate options as well. I do agree there is a level of “you gotta pay to play” comment. A lot of the maintenance can be done at home if people are willing to put in the effort.
Ceramic, not the steel.
The ceramic brake package brand new on the Panamera was $9800. $6500 per rotor ???
Joe & Jamel Moore Yeah that makes no sense
Yeah he's full of shit saying that Ceramic brakes cost $25k for all four! I have a 2013 Cayenne Turbo S and new Ceramic rotors and pads from the dealer are around $8k for everything!
Ceramic wasn’t even an option for that car. It’s less than 20k for the conversion kit and pointless.
I have a Panamera and I absolutely love it. I’ve had it 5 years and so far had no problem with it. I duel residency between Scottsdale AZ and Vegas. I drive it back and forth all the time and it runs great. Just got the front brakes done last week it cost $1,200 that was with a private mechanic. So my advice to anyone who wants to buy one make sure you get a really good reputable mechanic. It’s still expansive but not as expensive as going to the dealer. If you live in Vegas German motors & MVR does an amazing Job . If you are in the AZ Scottsdale Area Ray Co is where I took my car for years and had absolutely no issue.
I saw a 2017 Panamera with 400,000km for sale as of mid December, 2023. Wow, didn't know a Porsche/Audi 2.9 V6 is that reliable.
Thank you for your boldness and honesty. I was thinking about buying a used one of these (2014) because it was affordable, but after hearing what you had to say, I'm out. I do not make 6 figures lol. Thank you
Facts lol. And this is my dream car. But to pay $1800 for a fuel pump and $6500 for brakes and rotors and $17k for a new transmission. No thank you 😅.
If you're going to buy a car like this, learn to do your own breaks and oil. Better yet, know how to do it well before you get a car like this so you are experienced doing it right. Of all the simpler things you can do to save money and keep you care maintenance properly, those are the big ones. I've seen the break jobs being done by so-called "professionals" and you can typically take the time and do a better job yourself while saving big money and even using better parts. As far as oil, the last time I ever had a dealer do my oil, I got home just about to go on a big trip and saw oil dripping. Turns out they barely put the plug back in, and it was a half-turn from falling out and would have left me stranded with a cooked engine on a brand new car. Why? Because typically they are in a rush to get to other cars backlogged, and even working on others at the same time and forget where they left off with yours because they have a lot to get to. You probably have more time and desire to make sure it's done with care because mainly, it's your car. Vehicles like this mainly have reliability issues after being bought used because people want to treat it like a camry or other cheaper car and let the midas' and jiffy lubes of the world service them. You can do a hack job on a Civic by these outfits, and it will survive (kinda), but your more sensitive and more temperamental German or British cars probably won't.
Got mine two months ago with 86xxx miles about to hit 100 no problems 💯 a lot of car for the money nowadays they affordable
How you still like it? What miles you at now?
Those are 14000 miles. Thats what I drive in two months.
I'm a disabled veteran and a single dad, so for additional income while he's at school I drive the local auto auctions. Over the past 2 years I've driven $3000.00 cars and some God awful abominations that will probably cost someone more than it's worth, some so bad I seriously consider saying fuck it I don't care if you fire me I'm not getting in that and so far actually did say that twice. Moving on.... Mercedes, BMW. Audi can be hit or miss and at this point if I see a Maserati or a Jaguar, unless it's a late 80's one I start running the numbers to find out the first car of the day that if chosen will eventually lead to that car ie. You have one lane with 136 cars to run through the auction and you have between 4-8 people that will be driving them all through and the car in question is in spot 57 so you figure put which particular vechile in that 4-8 car line the driving in this means unless you stop driving for a few minutes to use the bathroom people would have come and gone so you get knocked out of order. The majority of the time x amount of cars leaving never "pass" each other so if it's like 6 cars you get the picture I also do that if I see something I really want to drive unfortunately it's used more for avoidance. Lexus is always rock solid and so is Porsche.
I've fallen in love with the Panamera and knowing there's an actual useful reason why the back end looks the way it does. So I can take in and enjoy the good parts and over 2 years that back end has started to look beautiful too.
Over the last 2 years I've driven an easy 25 of them spanning all years of the 1st generation and trim levels. The few that weren't practically perfect had minor issues that wasn't the fault of the car but it's previous owner instead. So far things are set to buy a GTS before the year is through. I still need to run the numbers on how much money I should realistically have set aside each month for the "Keep the Porsche repaired fund."
Great video! I’ve got a 2010 Panamera 4s and it’s just been SPECTACULAR!
Only 85k miles though…
Does it have any problems with engine and transmission? Planning to buy one with 70k miles. Can u advice what should I check first? How is engine reliability? Is it solid?
@@lucky_el8401 i have 2014 gts,some of v8’s have some serious problems when they are pretty much new,with 70k miles should be ok,anyway it’s very expensive to fix anything,i drive it and I’m scared that if trans brakes if it even worth to replace it because I don’t think someone will fix it,but as car i love it,so much fun
@@Arson-hm6oe true my thing is why in the hell a car that is 80k-100k brand new . Isn’t designed to get 260k miles. When I’ve seen Buick Lesabre & 99 e320 wit 275k original miles
He works for the dealership, so of course he is going to push the, "Going to the dealership is best" agenda.
It's the old, "UPSELL" type of mentality. Hey, I'm sure there are certain things dealerships may do better/easier with a Lift and what not. But if you have a lift and decent tools/German tools(Triple Square, Torx Tools, etc..), plus check your resources (FORUMS) I'm sure you'll do just fine.
Bentley manuals pay for themselves as well.
While I typically try to avoid dealerships (haven’t been to one in 19 years), I think something like following the maintenance schedule through the dealer should be fairly uneventful. If you feel like you’re being taken for a ride beyond the scheduled work, just get a second opinion.
Porsche you should constantly be aware of whats warranty or recall work, youll save infinitely more money having porsche do repairs through warranty than being unaware and fixing things with a manual
He doesn't work for the dealership, he owns and runs and works in his own independent Porsche shop
Actually, if you watch the video, he is in disagreement with Porsche's PDK service intervals (which is adhered to by the dealers) as it is not often enough. If you service the PDK often enough, you will not have what many consider to be an "inevitable" failure.
the IRONY was impeccable "TIMING CHAIN" was too expensive "HERE" so they went "There" then had to do it "here">.< LMFAO as if that "BRAND/FAMILY" of ownership group isnt famous for engine pull repairs....across entire platforms...UH oh your "audi/porche" needs to be JIGGED to do a routine/ pt to pt fender repair...guess well have to pay the labor rate time and a half for these procedures XD lmfao. Just ppl with purchasing power that wouldnt know the "ingenuity" in their car no matter the amount of times they hit the limit of their shit tire selection/sidewall....or the casuals that dont even wash their luxury cars...and have exhaust burn/stains on their bumpers...and tire rubber and break dust all over their bumper/panels. But hey at least theyre better than me.
That's why I bought an extended warranty. It was the most expensive warranty I've ever bought, however, all it takes is a bad transmission, and it will pay for itself in spades.
PDK is basically a DSG. Change the oil on it at max 4'years then it will be good
@@danielfl.9347 I agree, the PDK is widely known as one of the best if not the best automatic transmission available, but it was more of an example of costly parts if you had to actually replace it. There are several brands out there that are just as expensive as Porsches, but nowhere near the build quality.
brian duffy Totally agree. You buy Porsche due to the Engineering behind it
@@danielfl.9347 You gotta change the transmission fluid every 4 months?
@@colby3333 I wrote 4 years. Not months.
I'll stick with Lexus and Infinity, thanks tho! Had my Porsche days, long ago. Now I'm older and wiser.
Maybe viser but with way less joy
I feel sad in a Lexus except the ls
What about German made Mercedes?
I drive a Lexus now. I'm upgrading to a Panamera for my birthday lol.
Get another hobby that gives you joy. I want my everyday car to be reliable.
I have never heard of anyone going though a set of carbon ceramic break rotors unless you are racing it.. so not likely you'd ever have to replace them for the life of the car.
This is just a classic dealership narrative. They've changed transmission oil and that's why it survived 200k miles :) :) :)
Happens all the time. Do you own one with PCB? Well if you can't wear them out, than your not using the vehicle for its intended purpose.
@@vladimirtalijan What dealership says this? This is because you don't pay any attention to what he said in the video or have any clue what service means. He said they serviced the car for many years, how does service mean transmission oil only? Wow you are very special!
to me the IRONY is the aspect as IF the timing chain isnt an inherent issue/change/pull job that plagues the platform. Then in part to the brakes/hard driving....well then EXPLAIN how driving like this WOULDNT lead to having to get the chain/engine pulled/other "NEEDS" tensioners etc mounts/bushings and so on....as if theyre just routine/cheap jobs and equate to making a car livable. As theyd be constant/necessary "maintenance"
"brake rotors".
Some good advice about affordability
Thank you.
I bought the car with a still valid extended warranty. If I wouldn't have done that I would be always afraid of that big, bad breakdown. I only use the best oil and gas to prevent anything bad from happening.
What extended warranty do you have and have you had any issues with your car
Just hit 100k in my S. it does cost a lot to maintain, hes correct. but itll perform like a racecar if you treat it well.
What's the average yearly maintenance cost for 5 years?
100k service was $3500. tires once a year is about $1500. I do my own oil changes. brakes are about $3500-4500 every 40-60k miles. suspension failure is $4500.
@@nataliegrn17
may i know what you paid recently for maintence?
@@zuest696 it was around 4-5500$. I flushed all fluids, new spark plugs, and whatever else porsche recommended in the manual, I forget.
I don't consider myself a mechanic but these things are tempting. I'd only buy one with cash, and for the price, I might get a Cayman or something. Another good car to get would be an Audi S8 with the V8 and 6mt. Could also get a fairly clean F30 BMW 340i with that sweet B58. I personally will do as much mechanical work as I could for any car I'll own.
Wait no it's the S5 not an S8.
I'm looking at a 1 owner 2011 Porsche Panamera 4 with 58k miles for $30k. so it would seem to be a bargain if i can get over 200k miles with keeping up maintenance.
Good insight Im thinking of a Macon GTS for my wife and have turned wrenches before on other brands. Anyone who clamps on the hose and puts worm clamps on to add insult to injury should be flogged. Thanks for posting sire.
With all due respect I believe the old clamp left on the hose was placed specifically in order to keep the section of the hose firm around the opening of the valve in the hose.
Thoughts?
Yes done it myself on an old Jag once , the extra hose clip will assist in keeping the hose in shape during max running temp allowing max fluid to pass through the hose.
These things are beautiful! Great video, thanks man
Appreciate my Lexus reliability.
Me too !!!
What is the mileage that FSI pump can go to before replacing? Thanks!
I got same color 3.6 panamera…that’s my toy for big boy))it runs cool,and give a lot of good emotions))yep,sometimes it’s too expensive,but,it’s Porsche….))
Good advice on maintenance cost. It costs a lot to carry high performance vehicles. Thank you.
just sacred me out buying a 2011 thanks!
How much in maintenance would have the owner spent in 200k miles? Any estimate?
25k
You're recommending to change the PDK oil every time the engine oil is changed as well? What other preventive maintenance do you recommend?
Just every 60k miles.
@@Doki740 Good to know! I've been changing mine about every 5,000 mi. And the cost of servicing the PDK isn't inexpensive.
Nope !!! He says « you can change your PDK oil every 60k but you’ll change your transmission every 80k ! »
I guess Change transmission = brake transmission 8-/
You can get 200k miles for doing premature maintenance on any car haha. how much was all this premature maintenance and additional replacements costs?
Probably more than a half of 100k
Drive like a sport, pay like a sport.
Make tutorials working on these cars so then I can be a UA-cam mechanic and afford the maintenance 😊
Explain the cost cleaning the carbon build up on the intake valves caused by DFi ( direct fuel injection
I'm buying a used Cayenne turbo and the only reason I'm buying one is my brother-in-law ownes a well respected shop and I only pay for parts. And I can do almost anything myself. If I had to pay for labor I would just get a used Explorer and save a few.
Good advice, if you can't work on it your screwed and if you make 150k a year + or a business owner who can write it off, lease one.
Can you guestimate the service costs to get it to 200000, in 50000 mile chunks?
I've had one. Near 20k euro repairs every year on my gts pana. Never again.
I have no idea where you got your estimates on parts but you’re wrong.
Of course they dont want to use too much money on this 200.000 miles with servicing. I am glad you got it back in your hands.
thanks for your honest point ....
This dude makes comments about how only certain people are qualified to work on the vehicle, then describes the vehicle cost in terms of yearly income like he's a certified financial planner. Just quote the service cost and don't presume you know our budgets.
Yep, and he is 100% correct; he is a shop owner and a trained Porsche tech and does very well. You can maybe learn a thing or two. 95% of customers who drive these cars can't afford them. Glad this video was made because all of us who own Porsche shops are tired of customers complaining about something as simple as an oil change price or regular routine maintenance, not even talking about bigger repairs. How about each pneumatic strut costing $3800 a piece and times that by 4+ labor, yeah about 15k. Yes, you do need a six-figure income; working for Tyson chicken won’t cover it.
@@motorsports5614 is that 6-figures with kids, or 6-figures with retirement investment? What about $90k free cash flow with the house paid off and an empty nest?
I'm sure this guy has had lots of customers that can't afford their vehicles. However, his advice would be way more useful if it was an estimate of cost per year instead of making hand-wavy assumptions about my income.
What year model? Has the engine been replaced?
What is your advise in buying one from Total loss auctions. Specific with hits in the front, or rear or sides. Which one will you consider worse to buy to fix yourself (I weld my own cars). Not sure if there are super expensive parts in any of those areas or special metals i cannot weld with my Gas MIG welder. Also what years to stay away due to known issues?
Thanks
I would avoid buying salvage, will cost as much as a non savage after proper repairs.
Before u buy the car u try to identifies what part u change and the u do maths and price check of the parts and the u decide what u can spend on salvage to buy in good price range because lots of people pay more than it on the street with fukin clean title.
That’s bullshit ur talking my friend has a Panamera a d he does not make 6 figures his car is in excellent condition
Rodney Glover your comment has zero standing. I can say the exact opposite, three of my friends had these and have experienced issues that are being addressed in the video. How about go do some research first on the Porsche forum before making yourself sound very ignorant.
200k miles is the breaking in period for your average Toyota vehicle 🤣.
Just kidding, two different vehicle platforms.
So true !!! I have two Bmw's and it seems I'm driving more my toyota with 335k
Do these need the plastic coolant pipes to be replaced with the aluminum ones?
Well I personally make over $500,000 k a yr. So Bring it on!!! I own 3 of them!! And will never buy another brand!!!👍
What year do you have and has their been any problems that we don’t already know I was thinking of getting a 2019 turbo se hybrid
Thank you for announcing it to the world of youtube, I don't think anyone cares.
I could never get why these things are so expensive are parts made of gold or something?
I have a 2012 Panamera 4 3.6 . When should i change out the transmission fluid ? It has 90k miles
Did you ever get your answer? I’m looking to purchase a used 2012 Porsche Panamera shortly, and am kinda gonna eventually be in the same boat… ;/
Hey Nick! Who makes the best automotive parts and the better cars, mercedez=benz, audi, or porche? I wanted to know which European brand is worth learning if any. I lose my mind when I see expensive piles of shit that don't work. Like Fords
Was thinking about getting one . Lost me at the 6500 dollar rotor.
Porsche is approved by Scotty Kilmer. Dont believe that 6500 rotor, when i had a Maserati they wanted 12000 to replace the breakes, guess what Maserati has Mercedes breaks i replaced the breakes myself and cost me 500, there is always cheap alternative just need to look around. i have a porsche cayenne now with ower 200k and has zero issue
@@MrTottanham for 500 you only replaced pads and thats not a breakjob.
Just don't buy one with the crazy carbon brakes. Hardly any of them have them anyway.
Thanks for making this helpful video
This was a car I was thinkin about gettin but after this noooo way
I'm still thinking and researching....I do know a great mechanic that is a beast on fixing foreign cars!.
He's willing to go with me to make sure there is nothing when I decides to purchase this car. So that works in my favor. But keep researching don't give up! GL & blessings
Now , why would the transmission fail ?
nice video , will Motul 10w60 fit for this car ?
The clamps well dealership price work it's faster to pull clamps back leave them.toss screw clamps on common in all dealerships
Great and we need and wish videos in Real Best 4K 60fps HDR resolution clarity quality soon please and Sound in full HD 3D Stereo.
thx for ur fantastic explain,i have one question,how can i emergency switch ignition on on porsche panamera 2010
Hello I’m looking for a Panamera! What year are you recommend and what engine? I’m traveling a lot like 1000 miles per week.
Zeus TM I want one too tbh. I’ve had my charger Hellcat for almost a year and it’s time for a change
Me too! ..I am actually looking for one between 2013-2018. Mileage between 24,000-75,000 miles..Any miles over this, I'm not messing with. And must be no more than a one-two owners...Four owners with low miles is saying there trouble somewhere.
So I got the right answer! Around 100k miles is the sweet spot. The value of the car is under 30k and all of the common issues is fixed already with stronger components. I just got a 2014 one with a 100k miles with a good service history and it’s in better condition than some 50k panameras. All the common expensive issues is already fixed and the price was really good. Little tip: less extras, less problem! Try to find one with no air suspension and without all unnecessary extras! I’m really happy with it and I hope you can find a good one aswell!
@@pjwashington5818 exactly
Even if you can afford these outrageous repair costs why would you? It's a Porsche we see them everyday.
You'll never understand until you drive one they are very special cars
the cars are made very well, as long as the car is under warranty. After that you better have very deep pockets or a professional mechanic with atleast some Porsche knowledge if not throw the car away !
These are reliable cars.
I fd up i was looking and kept looking at a gts for too long and when I committed it was gone 😂
Good video. Damn, i came here to check about 3.6 panameras. And... Looks like i cant afford it anyway..
which gear oil will u recommend for this car pls advice.
Trans fluid every 80,000 miles? My Lexus ('97 LS400 196,000 miles) and Acura ('99 TL 294,000 miles) are still on their original trans and exhaust. Seen plenty of wheel damage, alignment issues and tire wear problems. The kinda stuff you never see on a Honda or Toyota.
It’ll definitely work for that long but that doesn’t mean it’s healthy for the trans. Give those babies a drink of fresh fluid and they’ll last you for way more years to come.
Great review and advice. Thanks
My 08 cayenne has 200k no problems i have change alot of stuff but still worth every penny
a whole set a ceramic rotors will cost u no more than 14k
I would never want carbon ceramic rotors. For a street car, they are an unneccessary expense.
In what city and state are you located thank you
Deep words bro, thanks u saved me!
Glad we can help!
@@TopAutomotiveInc I was making my mind to get Porshe Panerama instead of Mustang GT
@@yuvrajchauhan5098 what year mustang GT? 2018?
@@DiaperSNiFFER yea I looked some 17 and 18 just waiting to get a good deal
@@yuvrajchauhan5098 ah so which one ☝️ you getting? 10 Speed Ford Mustang GT? Or Porsche Panamera Turbo?
Where are you guys located ?
what is the best year to buy used?
Very nice video.
BTW, I have an issue with my 2009 Panamera 970 which driving me crazy...I got almost everything in the front changed, Air Suspension Strut, Air Bags, Upper and Lower Control Arms, Sway Bars, Engine and Transmissions Bushes, Steering Rack bushes...and checked few times for the torque of ALL those bolts. They are all fine. But it makes a metal cracking noise, very likely form LEFT hand side when I turn my wheel to the right, either the car is stationary, or driving slowly especially in/out form parking space. When the steering almost reach the end, it makes one loud metal cracking nose...it just like something broken.
Any hints for this? I am crying all these days recently when I heard that, I love my Pannamera...
If yours is a awd model that sounds like axels or cv joints. Have the same thing going on my Camry where a shit mechanic replaced my front right axel without my knowledge (mind you the pervious one was brand new). That’s most likely the issue
Sell it
I had the same issue on my car. Jut filled it up with power steering fluid to the top. I think the power steering started to go bad and one sign of that is noise when steering in place or at low speeds
Could be a body panel making contact with another panel for example hood rubbing on rubber bushing or a dried out material making the creeping sound
Get a 1994 celica or 1992 lexus ls400
just do a blue printing, yeah i know its expensive and it is good as new
Where you guys located
4.8 twin turbo like my Cayenne Turbo?
So what is the PDK SVC interval??
Hi think the Cayenne base is better !
is this a turbo?
Where are you located
I wonder if they have made much newer improvements on this engine design. I'm looking at purchasing a 2016 GTS or 2017 4 or 4S. Type 970 and 971 engines. I need to do more research then.
Same! not sure if I want the Panamera 4s executive or GTS.
If you’re looking at those years the engine is not the same. Those engines are bulletproof when maintained properly
@@amgeezy_2709 is the 2016 Better or should I get a 2019 I heard the 2017-2018 have issues
@@animaticentertainment9663 I’ve heard nothing but good on any year except year one and those issues were minor. My friend sells them used at his dealership that specializes in euro cars. He laughed when I said I was interested in one after owning Audi’s he said “oh something with little to no maintenance?” He owns a limited production one and owned one before that in his fleet. Loves selling them. No issues. Remember when you search issues you get just that, not the greater number of trouble free ones.
How often did you service the PDK that goes against Porsche?
Says the standard 60k interval is a recipe for a destroyed transmission, but doesn't say how often to service it lol. Classic.
I would have never have known any of this
What state is shop located?? I'm interested in bringing my car in for service
North Carolina
what about the 4.0TT v8?
Thank you for your honesty
I'm looking to buy a 105,000 km (62k miles) 2012 Panamera S what should I look out for?
Engine, engine and engine))))
Air suspension system is tricky.
Make sure the 2 recall issues have been fixed.
Possible to change the clutch pack on PDK 911 cars?
Not available, sold only as complete gearbox unit.
@@TopAutomotiveInc is it possible to make the transmission shifts plaster like in the Porsche 911 GT3?
@@TopAutomotiveInc faster
One rotor $6500 no way….where you spending that kind of money…Beverly hills
Motul is overpriced and nothing special, Mobil1 0w40 off the Walmart shelf has Porsche A40 approval is what the dealers use
0w40?
I agree. Castro A40 is approved as well and there are many other options as well.
@@512TXSDIY hell even amazonbasics oil is approved for UA-cam and if preforms just as well if not better then some brands like Pennzoil, but I’ll stick to mobile1
@@animaticentertainment9663 If there was approved oil from Amazon or even super tech, I would run it in my Porsche too
@@512TXSDIY haha I don’t blame you it’s cheaper but literally the same as like Castro or mobile
maybe buy a used porshe 2024 EV 10 years from now, it will be more reliable (besides the battery)
Kinda late to the game here but it should be noted that the Panamera V8 is NOT the same as the VW derived Cayenne V8. Part of the reason Cayennes are cheaper to buy.
Looks like you are confusing engines.
All V8 4.8L including turbo models are made For Panamera and Cayennes.
But the V6 3.6L in the Panamera and the VR6 version in the Cayenne are not the same and the VR6 engine is made by VW. Hope that helps!
@@TopAutomotiveInc Perhaps. First question - my research shows that the V6 in the base Panamera is literally the V8 from the Panamera with 2 cylinders missing. Am I off base here? To be clear, I'm only talking about the 970 era Panamera's. Not the current ones.
@@bobbarker14that's correct, regarding the V6 Panamera vs V8 4.8L panamera/cayenne engine design and yes with two missing cylinders on the v6 panamera
The 1st gen Cayenne V6 engines were VW derived VR6 . Porsche did some work on the cylinder head to get the power up to 290hp. The base V6 in the Panamera was all Porsche. The Hybrid models used an Audi sourced V6.
What about a car that has less than 80k miles it’s gotta be different
I detest lazy and or dishonest mechanics.....
What are you telling us buy the car or stay da FU(k away
So it’s no different than any other German car high cost of maintenance 😎
Stay The Fuck Away From It! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
….or buy and after-market warranty