In the last 25 minutes I went from not really caring about a panamera, to definitely going to get a panamera on the weekend, to definitely never going to get a panamera. 🥵😂
Panamera Turbo S owner here. This car is over engineered. It's mind boggling fast, like you'll be on the freeway doing 70mph and you want to get in front of some traffic, just push the accelerator and it jumps through space and you're suddenly doing 140mph in seconds and it did it without any fuss or noise or sketchyness. I've had mine up to 185-190mph out running a BMW M5 and it did it without any complaints or lifting front end or scary ride or loud wind noises.....nothing it just did it. I got it around Leguna Seca in 1:44! For a beginner that's really good! 0-60 in 2.9 seconds.
The real trick is to find one that the owner has kept the Porsche warranty active. Porsche will warranty for 15yrs (if you pay the yearly fee (can buy 2/3/4 yrs at a time also). It is circa $1,500-1,800 per year and 100% worth it. I’ve had 3 Panameras (now in. Taycan Turbo S) and loved them. Yes, I’m group A.
I bought 3 of my Porsche used and I just keep buying the extend warranty. Once I dont want to pay for the extend warranty I sell it 997 turbo warranty 8k, I left the car sitting for 8months when I was abroad and the transmission needed to be change which was $28k cayenne turbo warranty was 7.2k p total cost billed to warranty throughout ownership was over $30k. Probably my favorite Porsche to daily to date. Currently have a Panamera turbo s, only minor issues like the center vent locking up, spoiler failed retraction, I have to manually close it by holing down the button, I know first world problems. The thing with these cars is fix every issue asap and dont let them pile up - it will just annoy me. Plus I get a nice little loner car to drive around while it's in the shop. It is like a free rental and saves my mileage which will help when I sell the car.
Do you know what actuarial maths is? It is done by possibly the most boring ppl in the world who work in insurance companies and determine what your premiums should be. Essentially the more shit your old banger is, the more it costs to fix and the increased level of breakdowns it has, dictate the premium. A good car doesnt breakdown if you do the servicing and so you dont need this "insurance". Dont forget your premiums cover the cost of all the other breakdowns that have the "insurance". Get a more reliable car. I've spent $114 on my Mazda in 7.5 yrs.
As long as you look after it, there will be no issues. People buy performance German cars and think they can treat it like Corolla or Hyundai Getz… Find reliable independent Porsche mechanic, warm it up, don’t push it… Panamera is one beautiful car to wake up to every morning! Another gem is Bmw series 6 and for those who can afford, 2014 M6 🤤
Yes it is. I don't drive it all year round I drive it only in the summer, so every time I get in it it's like a brand new car even though it's 12 years old and it's so sexy I love the way it looks every time I look at it. It looks like a brand new car to me. And I only have 36,000 mi on it.
This reminds me of a the 6 series coupe. It's a bigger and arguably the ugliest version of a German company that traditionally makes attractive cars. The 6 series has also lost an incredible amount of value. They both appear to be good deals if you find the right one, but disastrous if you buy one that was not cared for properly.
I owned a 6 yrs old 4S ( v8) for 2 years, from 2016-2018. Major repairs, front air suspension, rear catalytic converter . Front head light washer . Roof lining ( this is part of the 100 point porsch check for its extended warranty, and had to be replaced) The PDK was brill , lots of space in the back and was a real cruiser. Unless you have an extended Porsche warranty, the repair costs will bleed you dry.
I had a 2010 4S for six years (15-21). Bought it with 70k km on the clock, sold it with 220k km... near to zero faults in over 150k km. Do that with a M5 or AMG...
@@DiscoFang Sure, need to add that I am in Switzerland and car prices are different here than say the US. Bought the car at around 60k USD (list when new was 185k!!!) and sold it for roughly 20k USD. All in all roughly 25 cents per km depreciation. Well worth it!
@@CKn1979 Very similar prices to here in New Zealand except resale price for an 11yo S with 220K km would likely be under USD15K. I think I’d trust the M5 rather than the AMG to run similarly reliably.
As an owner of a 3rd v8 Porsche I can definitely say these problems are very relative to the care of the previous owner. With the Turbo, you are going to burn oil as it is a high performance engine and assuming you drive it like it’s meant to be driven it’s bound to burn some oil. Changing your oil every 3-5K miles keeps your engine in tip top shape. Camshaft adjusters had a recall for the V8s and not all were affected. Electrical issues are all relative to your car. The cost of parts if something does go wrong or ware is the only downside but if you are witty there are cheaper ways to obtain factory parts.Take care of the Porsche and the Porsche will take care of you.
I’ve a 2014 turbo s at 570bhp which is the 2nd facelift version I’ve had it almost 2 years with 35k miles on it. I changed the pdk oil at 30k it’s had a major service upon initial purchase and at that time had a new inter cooler and a rear door sun blind actuator replaced all under warranty. Basically I’ve had no issues B no and have got 28.8 mpg driving highway and combined with blasts of speed average around 20-22mpg. Oil wise it burns about 200ml every 1500-2000miles. In sport and sport plus mode the suspension hardens up and lowers the steering tightens up and it grips the road like glue and when pedal pushed to the floor the car overboosts increasing torque to 800 nm and it can embarrass a whole lot of top super cars. If you are thinking of one I got a pre purchase inspection for reassurance and have no major issues. One hell of a car in the turbo s model😎
@@Nnonyabizevery-time I come back from my a good run, like yourself I’ve a smile on my face and occasionally shaking with the adrenaline rush. It’s defies physics 💩
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! To own a used Panamera or Cayenne you can and must buy one with a Porsche Approved extended warranty, you can extend this warranty for up to 15 years so even the oldest Panameras can be under this warranty currently. As soon as someone who can't afford to maintain a high performance $300-400k car they will turn into money pits. However! Buy one under warranty and keep it under warranty and enjoy the Porsche ownership experience. My oil services are $595, include a gift and a brand new Porsche loan car. The warranty must be kept continuous though (with some exceptions) even the Porsche dealer will advise against an early 970 without warranty.
and yet were talking about 30-40k$ "USED" cars...while needing "MASSVE" warranties on top of that as a BASIS of being STANDARD....AS IF said car....WONT/doesnt have innate issues/costly issues as it is PERIOD. Which directs the "CONCEPT" behind them being high cost to own/run on a 3-5 year basis if not longer...when you ADD up the expenses/warranty....its either you really want a "PORCHE" as an owner....and yet wont consider a boxer....or a TRUE PORSCHE. And are also willing to invest THAT much to prevent an INNATE issue. That the MAJORITY of everyone else....clearly states is why these cars are rarely One owner vehicles. If not even 2. Every timing chain/etc "replacement" equates to most ppl selling it bc its their 2nd car...and imagine a 2nd "option" being a larger "investment" than your daily...while not being a "classic" or etc...just seems asinine when you can get better financing/insurance on new cars. At the end of the day ppl would rather consider a used suv or sedan with low mpg that needs engine pull repairs...vs something newer/sportier with modern amenities. Thats all this has ever been about. A willingness to pay for a conceived notion of upper-class/first class experience. With prayers/hopes that the warranty/repairs are low cost/ideal enough that idk you may be able to SELL later at "HIGHER" than these "DEALS" we see on VIDEO LMFAO
Monthly/ yearly maintenance is a must , hence the timed service tables. But remember, you are purchasing a six figure car, at a fraction of the price, but the repair/ maintenance costs are still inline with a six figure car.
As an owner, I think there’s some nuance required to answer the question of whether you should buy one. If you have an independent Porsche specialist you trust to do the work, or you do the work yourself, I think the repairs costs are not as astronomical as you might think. The Porsche dealer tax is real, with most things costing twice what they would at an independent shop.
People absolutely make far too big of a deal out of the potential issues. The air suspension is the only thing that is particularly common. Certainly don't buy one if you can barely afford it, but they're not going to cost you tens of thousands to run. It's like this for all German cars, ask the internet and they'll tell you it'll bankrupt you. As you said, the answer is far more nuanced, but hardly anyone gives that answer. At the end of the day this does keep prices down a bit, so I guess I shouldn't complain.
I’ve owned German cars for the last 5 years… 2015 MINI Cooper S, 2007 E320 diesel, 2011 E350 Wagon… the horror stories you hear about these cars and maintenance. I’m not rich, I maintain the cars myself…. If the drive train is good from the factory, the rest you can do it yourself. Maybe because I work in semi trucks I’m a bit more confident in my skills… the parts cost might worry me a bit😁 I would put ceramic brake rotors and pads that’s for sure, that’s like 20k$. 1300$ classic all around
Macan owner here to confirm this 100%! Mine is 8 years old and I absolutely love it 40k service at dealer: $2,700, 40k at local small Porsche Audi mechanic shop: $1,100 for exact same services. Engine and cabin air filters done myself in 25 minutes saving hundreds!
Jim got it spot on. I literally had the first one in Singapore - the pdk gearbox gave out within the first 4 months- apparently it was a real issue with early cars and thankfully was sorted under warranty. And OMG did it love to sip on Mobil 1 engine oil - literally had a bottle in the boot topping it up on a weekly basis. But I loved it and still check out the classifieds … hmmm …. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger ….. noooooooooo!
970 Turbo owner, that group A B thing does sum it up well. And well I'm group A, supercar with 4 doors, nothing quite like it. But its an exotic and ask any exotic owner there's a price to pay.
I always liked the Panamera, even the very first ones in the right colors looked great. Like the Audi A7 or the Tesla S, and later the Kia Stinger, I think this larger 4 door hatch format is the perfect roadtrip car. Woulda loved it when I moved cross country and had 2 passengers plus a decent pile of cargo; my Jeep was definitely not built for 75-80mph through the plains with heinous crosswinds!
You can just use ashtrays as tiny trash bins for wrappers and tissues. It dont see why it has to automaticly be only for ash/smokers. And it bothers me when its removed. The lighter socket can be used for charging phones and other stuff. Its better to have them regardless than not.
This is one of the best reviews ever! You guys are very thorough! I want one of these cars and I have been looking at them for awhile. I think I have my answer now after hearing everything that was said.
I enjoy my Porsche Panamera Turbo s. It is a Beast, of course. The PDK went out. Cause I didn't pay attention to the service record when I bought it in that aspect. But the warranty has been $4500 later. It's all good. I read the pay forty-five hundred than to pay twenty-two thousand for the PDK transmission... The car is a beast
Its a great overall car. The GTS is a drivers dream with that 4.8ltr v8. The air suspension and alcantara interior are superb. Get in and test drive one. You will not regret it.
My heart says Panamera, my head says Lexus. Bugger, buy both! Thanks Adam, I look forward to every video you make and it is a pity that Jim is too far away from Brisbane to take my cars to him.
@@Dranreb865 where are what? Did you assume I had a Panamera and a Lexus? Apparently you missed the humour and the question mark in your comment. Were you attempting arrogance or are you just a passive aggressive noir?
GS F all the way! Car Advice founder John Crawford had one for 6 months and said it was another level above anything from Mercedes, BMW and Audi, it's craftsmanship put it in the realm of RR or Bentley and it was a pleasure to drive.
GSF no question. Owning an unreliable money pit as a fun weekend car or project? Sure. But a fun daily has to be reliable as well. Lexus all the way in this instance.
Yes please. 958 Cayenne review. Many of the issues likely the same as they have the same engine lineup but as someone in the market for a used 958.1 GTS or Turbo I'd love to see one Redriven...
Loved the review, all the positives mentioned were the reasons i got mine. But stay away from the S Hybrid and pasm models. If the hybrid system fails, the car cannot be driven. If the pasm fails, the suspension will drop to the lowest and your car cannot be driven.
Bit late on my comments, but... I own a 2015 Turbo S. Brilliant, Brilliant, Brilliant Car... period. Luxury, Gran Tourer Deluxe if you will, but hammer it (in any mode) and the blood of the 911 starts to show its true colors. This thing is a beast in Sport Mode... ! AWD is a must in the snow, and makes her hook up like you would not believe. Pay attention to maintenance schedules, proper fluids especially, take care of her and she will take care of you.
I thing the problem with Porsche is the reliable ones are not the ones you’d pick. A panamera V6 non turbo with the standard (non air suspension) is not only reliable but easy to work on. But the one you want to have is the v8 with air suspension because I mean of course you do. And like a nice watch more complications = more money.
Hey I'm thinking of getting the panam 4, do you think you could give me the yearly running price for the gts ? Maintenance wise, I don't need gas and insurance Thanks in advance :)
If it's a 970 generation, it will LIKELY be a money pit, especially if its anything above a Base RWD. If it's a 971 thats not been mistreated, it will likely NOT be a money pit REGARDLESS of trim level. Source - Porsche Brand Ambassador with 6 years of experience at two different Porsche Centre's. Or you can buy a nice C7 Audi S7 like I did and basically have a half priced 971 Panamera GTS, same engine and the transmission is identical to Macan PDK. I have soft close doors, heads up display, LED headlights and air suspension.
I still love my 2012, I had to recently do maintenance on the bags, but overall it's been awesome. I currently have 67,732 miles on it. Saweeet car dude
Agreed, service regularly, have an independent mechanic and warranty, there you go I've had the 96 BMW 740il since 2000, 280,000 miles and still going. Yes, I had the vanos gear plastic railing replaced, luckily just opted to fix it instead of waiting, no other issues. Changing control arms now which honestly aren't that expensive, considering the mileage. Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.
He did but I just googled Porsche standard service and in NZ it’s between $800 and $1,500, he did say full going over so maybe it wasn’t the standard service. Still a lot but in line with Mercedes. Example of a service ua-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/v-deo.html
That amount is not a joke. I had an 11yo Panamera S hybrid and it had coolant leaks. I was quoted 15k usd to overhaul the piping and replace sensors. Did a partial fix for 5k and sold it...
@@toyhoarder4895 well I’ve seen a guy do a total rebuild of a Porsche in UK and it had multiple services to get it approved and it didn’t cost anything like that, so I guess it depends on the Porsche dealership. I’d suggest like with anything shop around. Porsche actually have a reputation for not having exorbitant charges, do some things cost a lot yes, it appears on the whole they seem to be very competitive when compared with other brands.
@@toyhoarder4895 well this guy paid $1500 pounds including new tires. ua-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/v-deo.html Know it was the Tycan vs the Panamera, but Porsche also advertise much lower rates when contacted.
I own a 997 since 12 years. The paint quality is absolutly marvelous and it'S one of the reasons I tought of buying a second porsche. Are you guys telling me that on other models the paint is no better than other VW?
Adam, you are a flipping legend mate! I love your presentations, funny, informative and thoroughly entertaining. Please keep it going; you cheek rascal!! Cheers for your practical take on cars we can afford to buy, but not necessarily afford to keep, it keeps us in check!! Well done to you and all your team, you are doing an amazing job, well done!
When it first came out in 2009, I thought the rear was ugly, now after getting used to it, I like it, much like the people who signed off on the design.
Just fitted a set of Wipertech wipers on a midteens VW. Easily fitted, no tools needed, and they work as well as new OE. Yeah, I'd recommend them. 👍 Ps, they don't do wipers for a Valiant.
I love my 2010 Porsche Panamera S. But replacing the compressor and the front air shocks were the most expensive repairs I’ve ever paid in my life for a car. Just over $10,500.00 after repairs, parts and taxes from an exclusive Porsche only repair shop. Unfortunately the rubber or plastic in the air shocks, deteriorate over time. But now that it’s fixed, she’s very fun to drive for a large car.
@@Onelovej I wish I knew how, trust me. But my automotive repair knowledge is rather limited (basic oil change, tires, spark plugs) and I never attempted shocks, let alone German engineering air suspension. Had the car since March, about 5 months and already sunk $17,000 grand on her. My O2 sensor and fuel pump repairs came out to just under $5,000.
@@ghostlandgrand64you have the v6? If so, the labor costs are probably way too high on it as you’re paying for it right now. I can respect you getting it done right though, better than not
@@tyro7428 Nah I have a 2010 Panamera S. She’s a 8 cylinder 4.8 400hp. My Porsche technician charges $186.00 a hour not including of course parts, taxes and service fees. He only works with Porches but I have another full service shop up the street for basic maintenance and minor repairs.
A Rolls-Royce technician once told me, it was impossible to have one of those where all the components worked at the same time. The same would have applied to the Space Shuttle. He was German, on the weekend he loved working on VW beetles.
I had the base Panamera 2017 and i absolutely enjoyed every bit of the car especially as a daily driver...well besides how much insurance was but regardless even for a base model it was a fun car especially in sport mode. The services were pretty pricey but thats to be expected with foreign vehicles. You have to pay to play. If you can get one for cheap then i suggest it but dont pay the mark up prices because it will severely depreciate. Ended up happening to me when i went to sell my car when i bought my new house and i was 15k underwater on it. Regardless its still a great car and a head turner.
I'm renting one next week for a nice drive in the country and I'm excited about it....but I'm glad I own a Lexus. I can understand the engine needing a lot of love, it's a performance car, fine. HOWEVER, the suspension, paint, rust issues, and ELECTRICAL ISSUES should not be this problematic. You can't "take care" of your electrical system, it just works or it doesn't and there's not much you can do about it.
I went from an E60 M5 v10 to a very well specced panamera V8 turbo S fully loaded with 48k miles and I put 50k miles on it over nearly 5 years only both front ball joints and a new water pump had to be replaced on top of regular service and maintenance work. got through 3 pairs of rear super sport cup 2s and 2 pairs of fronts, 2 sets of wheel bearings all round. Very happy with it overall, I don't get the hate for the looks, it's a good looking 4 door luxury high performance saloon with huge power on demand amazing levels of grip and awd year round practicality. It drives really well, handles great running costs are part of the deal with a Porsche
I wanted to get a mercedes w211 e320 3.0 v6 diesel with 224 hp and 510nm torque. Some days ago i found the Porsche Panamera first gen 4S 3.0 V6 petrol with 420hp and 520nm torque, double the hp of the benz!
As an owner of the 4.8 V8 turbo Panamera, you can really get around these issues if you maintain the car. Keep the fluids fresh and the carbon buildup low and they are incredibly reliable vehicles.
I found an all white 2016 Porsche panarama GTS for sale down here in Tampa w/ under 80k miles on it for $39k. Think that is a good deal? I may be calling the dealer tomorrow to try and secure a deal!
@@tylermoreland9748 If that doesn't work and you want a 2013 turbo let me know. I liked the back side better before the facelift but I am ready for something faster that i can mod.
A road side asssistance dude told me to stay away from the hybrid Panameras, cause those are the ones they are usually picking up mostly do to the electric system failure.
I have always liked these cars. Now more than ever I'm considering getting one as an upgrade to my A3 8p. Either this or an already but this one is winning
I already own two Porsche's one I've owned for 34 yrs, last year I bought my self a used 911 cabriolet and next year I intend to buy a Panamera preferably the 3 litre diesel. Hank Marvin of the Shadows as lived in Australia for many years and his current ride his a Panamera. I've listened to lots of reports from all sorts of motoring journalists with none of them having a bad word to say. If buying used, like any other car, service history and better still, low mileage are very important factors. A cheap high mileage example with poor service history could turn out to be a money pit.
I never thought it was Ugly. It's just Porsche designers being unoriginal. I'd buy the Lexus GS-F *every* day of the week over the Panamera however lol.
I've never owned Porsche, altough had a chance to drive Panamera 2013 GTS - good drive. I had BMW F10 535X Drive, which was replaced with 2017 Lexus GS 450H and then with 2018 Lexus LS 500H. I will stick to Lex for now.
I’m an owner of a ‘23 Panamera GTS, previous to that we had a ‘21 Land Rover Range Rover under 12K miles when we traded it in for the Porsche. They are leased vehicles we are blessed and fortunate enough to not have to finance vehicles since approx. 2014. With all that being said. 1st, I believe that Porsche builds a very reliable vehicle, I can’t say the same for my ‘21 Range Rover. There weren’t any major problems, but there were a couple very minor ones. Secondly, I have heard and been told that some of these Porsche owners really track their cars. So in knowing that why would I buy a used car over $100K with no warranty? Some people buy cars just to say that have a particular car that’s the 1st mistake. Even a Toyota or Honda would be a money pit if no one takes care of that car. Today’s cars are so advance and so expensive that the buyer has to be a little vigilant in what they are getting into used car wise. How many old navigators and GLS’s have y’all seen with temp tags and the air suspension blown out and riding low like an old hot rod? So now we just blame Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz for being money pits. Everything is bad when you are not taking care of it, peoples tires be bald as hell and they drive around like they don’t care. To be honest don’t buy a luxury vehicle or any vehicle if you can’t handle the upkeep just get the keychain if you want the name that bad.
Well. I just paid 2300 and change for some coolant hoses so. Yeah there’s that. The average person cannot pay $1600 for tires either. It’s a turbo S it’s a 2012 and I am practically scared to drive it because I can’t afford anything that goes wrong. I wish I would’ve bought an Audi or Volkswagen because that’s what it is anyway.
970 V8 here. I just paid 440 EUR and change for some coolant hoses and a leaking tube near the thermostat. Get yourself a proper techie who doesn't rip you off.
What aftermarket coilovers were used? I'm in the process of replacing my air suspension as the whole system just hydraulic fluid flooded itself from one strut giving out and I'm absolutely paranoid about picking a wrong selection for the coilover conversion kit
Panamara is a great performance sedan but maintenance costs are higher... a hellcat charger may be a less expensive altenative although the charger is much douchier
You guys should try and get your hands on a Eunos 500 for a video. Not too sure how much luck you would have finding one but my nana has one that's great, I'd love to see your opinions on the car. Great video by the way.
I must be smoking a different strain to everybody else because I have always liked how the Panamera looks.
I guess we smoking the same pack 😂
it was like a giant 911 basically. Had character.
Big ass in early models. New ones look fantastic
@@KC-lg8qf911s ARE Giant
It looks good. Probably people want it to look like a 911, are the ones saying it doesn’t look good.
In the last 25 minutes I went from not really caring about a panamera, to definitely going to get a panamera on the weekend, to definitely never going to get a panamera. 🥵😂
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me too 😂
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Same happens to me with every "Porsche Review"...of EVERY model!
Basically, I don't have enough money to 'comfortably' own any of them. 😢
Same lol service and good looking over $15000
Soooo, did you get your Panamera? Enjoy it? ... How's the resale going?
Panamera Turbo S owner here. This car is over engineered. It's mind boggling fast, like you'll be on the freeway doing 70mph and you want to get in front of some traffic, just push the accelerator and it jumps through space and you're suddenly doing 140mph in seconds and it did it without any fuss or noise or sketchyness. I've had mine up to 185-190mph out running a BMW M5 and it did it without any complaints or lifting front end or scary ride or loud wind noises.....nothing it just did it. I got it around Leguna Seca in 1:44! For a beginner that's really good! 0-60 in 2.9 seconds.
The real trick is to find one that the owner has kept the Porsche warranty active. Porsche will warranty for 15yrs (if you pay the yearly fee (can buy 2/3/4 yrs at a time also). It is circa $1,500-1,800 per year and 100% worth it.
I’ve had 3 Panameras (now in. Taycan Turbo S) and loved them. Yes, I’m group A.
Exactly - very good advice - I got a brand new engine under warranty in my 718!
I bought 3 of my Porsche used and I just keep buying the extend warranty. Once I dont want to pay for the extend warranty I sell it
997 turbo warranty 8k, I left the car sitting for 8months when I was abroad and the transmission needed to be change which was $28k
cayenne turbo warranty was 7.2k p total cost billed to warranty throughout ownership was over $30k. Probably my favorite Porsche to daily to date.
Currently have a Panamera turbo s, only minor issues like the center vent locking up, spoiler failed retraction, I have to manually close it by holing down the button, I know first world problems. The thing with these cars is fix every issue asap and dont let them pile up - it will just annoy me. Plus I get a nice little loner car to drive around while it's in the shop. It is like a free rental and saves my mileage which will help when I sell the car.
Do you know what actuarial maths is? It is done by possibly the most boring ppl in the world who work in insurance companies and determine what your premiums should be. Essentially the more shit your old banger is, the more it costs to fix and the increased level of breakdowns it has, dictate the premium. A good car doesnt breakdown if you do the servicing and so you dont need this "insurance". Dont forget your premiums cover the cost of all the other breakdowns that have the "insurance". Get a more reliable car. I've spent $114 on my Mazda in 7.5 yrs.
@@csjrogerson2377 What Mazda do you have? Used to have one.
Wow i was thinking about getting 1. Just worried about the turbos. I've never had a car with a turbo.
As long as you look after it, there will be no issues. People buy performance German cars and think they can treat it like Corolla or Hyundai Getz… Find reliable independent Porsche mechanic, warm it up, don’t push it… Panamera is one beautiful car to wake up to every morning! Another gem is Bmw series 6 and for those who can afford, 2014 M6 🤤
The gran coupe m6 is so good looking
Yes it is. I don't drive it all year round I drive it only in the summer, so every time I get in it it's like a brand new car even though it's 12 years old and it's so sexy I love the way it looks every time I look at it. It looks like a brand new car to me. And I only have 36,000 mi on it.
This reminds me of a the 6 series coupe. It's a bigger and arguably the ugliest version of a German company that traditionally makes attractive cars. The 6 series has also lost an incredible amount of value. They both appear to be good deals if you find the right one, but disastrous if you buy one that was not cared for properly.
“And if you wanna know how much it costs to rebuild these Porsche V8s, it’s pretty much all the money in the world”, this is hilarious, Jim!😂😂😂
Two words: extended warranty.
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I owned a 6 yrs old 4S ( v8) for 2 years, from 2016-2018. Major repairs, front air suspension, rear catalytic converter . Front head light washer . Roof lining ( this is part of the 100 point porsch check for its extended warranty, and had to be replaced)
The PDK was brill , lots of space in the back and was a real cruiser.
Unless you have an extended Porsche warranty, the repair costs will bleed you dry.
We need to listen to this owner.
Or unless you can do maintenance yourself.
Sound like my Audi all road . Same issues
I had a 2010 4S for six years (15-21). Bought it with 70k km on the clock, sold it with 220k km... near to zero faults in over 150k km. Do that with a M5 or AMG...
Good to hear. You missed the big hit of the first 5 years but love to know the depreciation cost in that period.
@@DiscoFang Sure, need to add that I am in Switzerland and car prices are different here than say the US. Bought the car at around 60k USD (list when new was 185k!!!) and sold it for roughly 20k USD. All in all roughly 25 cents per km depreciation. Well worth it!
@@CKn1979 Very similar prices to here in New Zealand except resale price for an 11yo S with 220K km would likely be under USD15K. I think I’d trust the M5 rather than the AMG to run similarly reliably.
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@@DiscoFang meanwhile here in Australia that car for under USD15k is still USD 30-50k.
As an owner of a 3rd v8 Porsche I can definitely say these problems are very relative to the care of the previous owner. With the Turbo, you are going to burn oil as it is a high performance engine and assuming you drive it like it’s meant to be driven it’s bound to burn some oil. Changing your oil every 3-5K miles keeps your engine in tip top shape. Camshaft adjusters had a recall for the V8s and not all were affected. Electrical issues are all relative to your car. The cost of parts if something does go wrong or ware is the only downside but if you are witty there are cheaper ways to obtain factory parts.Take care of the Porsche and the Porsche will take care of you.
My dad’s going to buy a 2015 Porsche Panamera 4S. Do you think it is good? Reliability? Cost of maintainence?
@@stolenchaser make sure he pays attention to the service records and how it drives. Other than that they run forever
What about a 2020 911 turbo S? Is it reliable?
@@V_For_Vigilante Super reliable. However you are gonna pay a premium for maintenance and parts.
@@V_For_Vigilante yes
I have a 2015 with a warranty. And I love it. Just started using the shift paddles. Double the fun.
Wanna know what will make it triple the fun? Me in the passenger seat, decked out in a pair of daisy-duke's, showcasing a prominent bulge..😘
Cigarette lighter as power ports. Ash trays for gum wrappers...get over it!
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I’ve a 2014 turbo s at 570bhp which is the 2nd facelift version
I’ve had it almost 2 years with 35k miles on it. I changed the pdk oil at 30k it’s had a major service upon initial purchase and at that time had a new inter cooler and a rear door sun blind actuator replaced all under warranty. Basically I’ve had no issues B no and have got 28.8 mpg driving highway and combined with blasts of speed average around 20-22mpg. Oil wise it burns about 200ml every 1500-2000miles. In sport and sport plus mode the suspension hardens up and lowers the steering tightens up and it grips the road like glue and when pedal pushed to the floor the car overboosts increasing torque to 800 nm and it can embarrass a whole lot of top super cars. If you are thinking of one I got a pre purchase inspection for reassurance and have no major issues. One hell of a car in the turbo s model😎
@@Nnonyabizevery-time I come back from my a good run, like yourself I’ve a smile on my face and occasionally shaking with the adrenaline rush. It’s defies physics 💩
Price?
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! To own a used Panamera or Cayenne you can and must buy one with a Porsche Approved extended warranty, you can extend this warranty for up to 15 years so even the oldest Panameras can be under this warranty currently. As soon as someone who can't afford to maintain a high performance $300-400k car they will turn into money pits. However! Buy one under warranty and keep it under warranty and enjoy the Porsche ownership experience. My oil services are $595, include a gift and a brand new Porsche loan car.
The warranty must be kept continuous though (with some exceptions) even the Porsche dealer will advise against an early 970 without warranty.
Seriously, the whole context of this video is missed, BUMPER to BUMPER Warranty!
Good to know...thank you sharing!
and yet were talking about 30-40k$ "USED" cars...while needing "MASSVE" warranties on top of that as a BASIS of being STANDARD....AS IF said car....WONT/doesnt have innate issues/costly issues as it is PERIOD. Which directs the "CONCEPT" behind them being high cost to own/run on a 3-5 year basis if not longer...when you ADD up the expenses/warranty....its either you really want a "PORCHE" as an owner....and yet wont consider a boxer....or a TRUE PORSCHE. And are also willing to invest THAT much to prevent an INNATE issue. That the MAJORITY of everyone else....clearly states is why these cars are rarely One owner vehicles. If not even 2. Every timing chain/etc "replacement" equates to most ppl selling it bc its their 2nd car...and imagine a 2nd "option" being a larger "investment" than your daily...while not being a "classic" or etc...just seems asinine when you can get better financing/insurance on new cars. At the end of the day ppl would rather consider a used suv or sedan with low mpg that needs engine pull repairs...vs something newer/sportier with modern amenities. Thats all this has ever been about. A willingness to pay for a conceived notion of upper-class/first class experience. With prayers/hopes that the warranty/repairs are low cost/ideal enough that idk you may be able to SELL later at "HIGHER" than these "DEALS" we see on VIDEO LMFAO
Or just get a specialist and get on forums for help. Most parts can be found from VW, Audi etc.
I think the body design is stunning. Different strokes.....
Monthly/ yearly maintenance is a must , hence the timed service tables. But remember, you are purchasing a six figure car, at a fraction of the price, but the repair/ maintenance costs are still inline with a six figure car.
As an owner, I think there’s some nuance required to answer the question of whether you should buy one. If you have an independent Porsche specialist you trust to do the work, or you do the work yourself, I think the repairs costs are not as astronomical as you might think. The Porsche dealer tax is real, with most things costing twice what they would at an independent shop.
People absolutely make far too big of a deal out of the potential issues. The air suspension is the only thing that is particularly common. Certainly don't buy one if you can barely afford it, but they're not going to cost you tens of thousands to run. It's like this for all German cars, ask the internet and they'll tell you it'll bankrupt you. As you said, the answer is far more nuanced, but hardly anyone gives that answer. At the end of the day this does keep prices down a bit, so I guess I shouldn't complain.
Never never use a dealer unless you have the latest model under warranty. I’ve owned them since 1980
I’ve owned German cars for the last 5 years… 2015 MINI Cooper S, 2007 E320 diesel, 2011 E350 Wagon… the horror stories you hear about these cars and maintenance. I’m not rich, I maintain the cars myself…. If the drive train is good from the factory, the rest you can do it yourself. Maybe because I work in semi trucks I’m a bit more confident in my skills… the parts cost might worry me a bit😁 I would put ceramic brake rotors and pads that’s for sure, that’s like 20k$. 1300$ classic all around
Macan owner here to confirm this 100%! Mine is 8 years old and I absolutely love it 40k service at dealer: $2,700, 40k at local small Porsche Audi mechanic shop: $1,100 for exact same services. Engine and cabin air filters done myself in 25 minutes saving hundreds!
Jim got it spot on. I literally had the first one in Singapore - the pdk gearbox gave out within the first 4 months- apparently it was a real issue with early cars and thankfully was sorted under warranty. And OMG did it love to sip on Mobil 1 engine oil - literally had a bottle in the boot topping it up on a weekly basis. But I loved it and still check out the classifieds … hmmm …. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger ….. noooooooooo!
Sounds like owning an RX-8 but more expensive!
970 Turbo owner, that group A B thing does sum it up well. And well I'm group A, supercar with 4 doors, nothing quite like it. But its an exotic and ask any exotic owner there's a price to pay.
I always liked the Panamera, even the very first ones in the right colors looked great. Like the Audi A7 or the Tesla S, and later the Kia Stinger, I think this larger 4 door hatch format is the perfect roadtrip car. Woulda loved it when I moved cross country and had 2 passengers plus a decent pile of cargo; my Jeep was definitely not built for 75-80mph through the plains with heinous crosswinds!
I have an a7 and here i am looking at the panamera I just want my friends to be able to chill. If you got 3 6 ft 4 homies in the back A7 no problem
You can just use ashtrays as tiny trash bins for wrappers and tissues. It dont see why it has to automaticly be only for ash/smokers. And it bothers me when its removed. The lighter socket can be used for charging phones and other stuff. Its better to have them regardless than not.
Great subject as I’ve been considering getting a first gen as a daily driver. It’s ugly but in a good way because she’s got a great personality!
No...not the 1st gen. I bought a Cayenne S for better practicality. was looking at the Pan, but decided against for many reasons.
This is one of the best reviews ever! You guys are very thorough! I want one of these cars and I have been looking at them for awhile. I think I have my answer now after hearing everything that was said.
Thanks so much!
What’s your answer?
Did you get one, then??
I enjoy my Porsche Panamera Turbo s. It is a Beast, of course. The PDK went out. Cause I didn't pay attention to the service record when I bought it in that aspect. But the warranty has been $4500 later. It's all good. I read the pay forty-five hundred than to pay twenty-two thousand for the PDK transmission... The car is a beast
To me these are top 3 best looking cars Porsche makes!! I love them
Its a great overall car. The GTS is a drivers dream with that 4.8ltr v8. The air suspension and alcantara interior are superb.
Get in and test drive one. You will not regret it.
Turbo is much better 😅
All of the money in the world 😂, great review chaps
And Yes the Lexus GS F is amazing 🎉
Great review. Had the 2013 Platinum Edition…. Still my favorite car till this day (regret trading in for Tesla). Taycan here I come!
The Taycan is basically a drive by subscription car, but you also have to pay the hefty entrance fee.
My heart says Panamera, my head says Lexus. Bugger, buy both! Thanks Adam, I look forward to every video you make and it is a pity that Jim is too far away from Brisbane to take my cars to him.
@@Dranreb865 where are what? Did you assume I had a Panamera and a Lexus? Apparently you missed the humour and the question mark in your comment. Were you attempting arrogance or are you just a passive aggressive noir?
The answer is the LC500. A Lexus that is beautiful and cool.
I’ve never came across your channel love how well researched you are and how you presented it!
Not sure about the 2011 but the 2018 4s is remarkable and never had any issue. I love that car.
GS F all the way! Car Advice founder John Crawford had one for 6 months and said it was another level above anything from Mercedes, BMW and Audi, it's craftsmanship put it in the realm of RR or Bentley and it was a pleasure to drive.
GSF no question. Owning an unreliable money pit as a fun weekend car or project? Sure. But a fun daily has to be reliable as well. Lexus all the way in this instance.
I love my Panamera, It’s expensive to maintain but it’s the best car that I’ve driven 😊
Thanks guys, great video as always! would you please do one on Porsche Cayenne please? Looking forward to it for it for a while now. Cheers!
Yes please. 958 Cayenne review. Many of the issues likely the same as they have the same engine lineup but as someone in the market for a used 958.1 GTS or Turbo I'd love to see one Redriven...
Loved the review, all the positives mentioned were the reasons i got mine. But stay away from the S Hybrid and pasm models. If the hybrid system fails, the car cannot be driven. If the pasm fails, the suspension will drop to the lowest and your car cannot be driven.
What’s Pasm?
Wrong on both accounts.
Bit late on my comments, but...
I own a 2015 Turbo S. Brilliant, Brilliant, Brilliant Car... period.
Luxury, Gran Tourer Deluxe if you will, but hammer it (in any mode) and the blood of the 911 starts to show its true colors. This thing is a beast in Sport Mode... !
AWD is a must in the snow, and makes her hook up like you would not believe.
Pay attention to maintenance schedules, proper fluids especially, take care of her and she will take care of you.
This will always be an Iconic car with an amazing look. The maintenance is typical for a luxury car.
The Turbo S has so much power. It really feels amazing to drive.
I thing the problem with Porsche is the reliable ones are not the ones you’d pick. A panamera V6 non turbo with the standard (non air suspension) is not only reliable but easy to work on. But the one you want to have is the v8 with air suspension because I mean of course you do. And like a nice watch more complications = more money.
I have a 2014 GTS and I love it. Don’t buy a Porsche if you can’t afford it.
Hey I'm thinking of getting the panam 4, do you think you could give me the yearly running price for the gts ? Maintenance wise, I don't need gas and insurance
Thanks in advance :)
If it's a 970 generation, it will LIKELY be a money pit, especially if its anything above a Base RWD. If it's a 971 thats not been mistreated, it will likely NOT be a money pit REGARDLESS of trim level.
Source - Porsche Brand Ambassador with 6 years of experience at two different Porsche Centre's.
Or you can buy a nice C7 Audi S7 like I did and basically have a half priced 971 Panamera GTS, same engine and the transmission is identical to Macan PDK. I have soft close doors, heads up display, LED headlights and air suspension.
I still love my 2012, I had to recently do maintenance on the bags, but overall it's been awesome. I currently have 67,732 miles on it. Saweeet car dude
Agreed, service regularly, have an independent mechanic and warranty, there you go I've had the 96 BMW 740il since 2000, 280,000 miles and still going. Yes, I had the vanos gear plastic railing replaced, luckily just opted to fix it instead of waiting, no other issues. Changing control arms now which honestly aren't that expensive, considering the mileage. Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.
Great review, Jim's content is priceless😅.
Agree, fun and informative 👌
Did you say $15,000 for a service?
I almost dropped my beer when I heard that price
He did but I just googled Porsche standard service and in NZ it’s between $800 and $1,500, he did say full going over so maybe it wasn’t the standard service. Still a lot but in line with Mercedes. Example of a service ua-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/v-deo.html
That amount is not a joke. I had an 11yo Panamera S hybrid and it had coolant leaks. I was quoted 15k usd to overhaul the piping and replace sensors. Did a partial fix for 5k and sold it...
@@toyhoarder4895 well I’ve seen a guy do a total rebuild of a Porsche in UK and it had multiple services to get it approved and it didn’t cost anything like that, so I guess it depends on the Porsche dealership. I’d suggest like with anything shop around. Porsche actually have a reputation for not having exorbitant charges, do some things cost a lot yes, it appears on the whole they seem to be very competitive when compared with other brands.
@@toyhoarder4895 well this guy paid $1500 pounds including new tires.
ua-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/v-deo.html
Know it was the Tycan vs the Panamera, but Porsche also advertise much lower rates when contacted.
Best run out speach ever. I once Group A'd a 996 turbo for the next owner. You're welcome. I'll pay it off in 5 more years
I own a 997 since 12 years. The paint quality is absolutly marvelous and it'S one of the reasons I tought of buying a second porsche. Are you guys telling me that on other models the paint is no better than other VW?
Adam, you are a flipping legend mate! I love your presentations, funny, informative and thoroughly entertaining. Please keep it going; you cheek rascal!! Cheers for your practical take on cars we can afford to buy, but not necessarily afford to keep, it keeps us in check!! Well done to you and all your team, you are doing an amazing job, well done!
Danke!
Thank you!!
When it first came out in 2009, I thought the rear was ugly, now after getting used to it, I like it, much like the people who signed off on the design.
The hatchback panameras look pretty freaking good. Out of that, gotta learn more about that variant.
I love the styling. A chunky nugget of a car. Solid.
Just fitted a set of Wipertech wipers on a midteens VW. Easily fitted, no tools needed, and they work as well as new OE. Yeah, I'd recommend them. 👍
Ps, they don't do wipers for a Valiant.
Love the 'God No!'. I am in group B, thanks for the lovely honest straight forward review. Excellent stuff.
I love that he dropped the ONLY real "alternative". I mean ... the GS450h has 340hp and hybrid kick.
I got a Panamera 4 PE v6. Thats the BEST one! No air suspension, no carbon brakes.
Same here, for same reasons! Question though, is the idle supposed to be a little rumble? with small tach flutter (less than 25 rpm)
I love my 2010 Porsche Panamera S. But replacing the compressor and the front air shocks were the most expensive repairs I’ve ever paid in my life for a car. Just over $10,500.00 after repairs, parts and taxes from an exclusive Porsche only repair shop. Unfortunately the rubber or plastic in the air shocks, deteriorate over time. But now that it’s fixed, she’s very fun to drive for a large car.
That’s pretty damn expensive. It is after all damn near is super car but you could’ve done it yourself suspensions usually pretty simple.
@@Onelovej I wish I knew how, trust me. But my automotive repair knowledge is rather limited (basic oil change, tires, spark plugs) and I never attempted shocks, let alone German engineering air suspension. Had the car since March, about 5 months and already sunk $17,000 grand on her. My O2 sensor and fuel pump repairs came out to just under $5,000.
@@ghostlandgrand64you have the v6? If so, the labor costs are probably way too high on it as you’re paying for it right now. I can respect you getting it done right though, better than not
@@tyro7428 Nah I have a 2010 Panamera S. She’s a 8 cylinder 4.8 400hp. My Porsche technician charges $186.00 a hour not including of course parts, taxes and service fees. He only works with Porches but I have another full service shop up the street for basic maintenance and minor repairs.
Good thing I got a full 6byr extended warranty that covers all suspension parts, including airbags
A Rolls-Royce technician once told me, it was impossible to have one of those where all the components worked at the same time. The same would have applied to the Space Shuttle. He was German, on the weekend he loved working on VW beetles.
Any car can develop a problems. Don't let this guy put you off. Fantastic car
I had the base Panamera 2017 and i absolutely enjoyed every bit of the car especially as a daily driver...well besides how much insurance was but regardless even for a base model it was a fun car especially in sport mode. The services were pretty pricey but thats to be expected with foreign vehicles. You have to pay to play. If you can get one for cheap then i suggest it but dont pay the mark up prices because it will severely depreciate. Ended up happening to me when i went to sell my car when i bought my new house and i was 15k underwater on it. Regardless its still a great car and a head turner.
Insurance portion is so understated. I pay 70% more in insurance for my 2012 Panamera Turbo than my 2016 Viper ACR.
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you make really nice and helpful car presentations man well done...
You guys are brilliant, great content, thanks very much 👍👍
I'm renting one next week for a nice drive in the country and I'm excited about it....but I'm glad I own a Lexus. I can understand the engine needing a lot of love, it's a performance car, fine. HOWEVER, the suspension, paint, rust issues, and ELECTRICAL ISSUES should not be this problematic. You can't "take care" of your electrical system, it just works or it doesn't and there's not much you can do about it.
I went from an E60 M5 v10 to a very well specced panamera V8 turbo S fully loaded with 48k miles and I put 50k miles on it over nearly 5 years only both front ball joints and a new water pump had to be replaced on top of regular service and maintenance work. got through 3 pairs of rear super sport cup 2s and 2 pairs of fronts, 2 sets of wheel bearings all round. Very happy with it overall, I don't get the hate for the looks, it's a good looking 4 door luxury high performance saloon with huge power on demand amazing levels of grip and awd year round practicality. It drives really well, handles great running costs are part of the deal with a Porsche
I wanted to get a mercedes w211 e320 3.0 v6 diesel with 224 hp and 510nm torque. Some days ago i found the Porsche Panamera first gen 4S 3.0 V6 petrol with 420hp and 520nm torque, double the hp of the benz!
Thank you for doing a review on the Panamera, it was on my list of possibles for replacement of my C55 AMG estate, i guess not anymore.
Stop the panamera hate!
You need to experience the car in person.
It has such a presence!
I own a one these ppl are crazy asf spreading bs the guy doing this video doesn’t own shit just making a bs review
Yes your right i love mine..
Need a Lexus GS F review please🙏🏻
As an owner of the 4.8 V8 turbo Panamera, you can really get around these issues if you maintain the car. Keep the fluids fresh and the carbon buildup low and they are incredibly reliable vehicles.
How do you keep carbon buildup low? What do you recommend?
@@aero-space541Italian tune-up, rev it up to redline at least once a week. Best to do this on a highway.
I found an all white 2016 Porsche panarama GTS for sale down here in Tampa w/ under 80k miles on it for $39k. Think that is a good deal? I may be calling the dealer tomorrow to try and secure a deal!
@@tylermoreland9748 If that doesn't work and you want a 2013 turbo let me know. I liked the back side better before the facelift but I am ready for something faster that i can mod.
@@aero-space541 use the gas pedal liberally and often
This was filmed at the front of my house, its a sign i need to buy one. Thanks god
Great info . Thank you all
Great info, and nice looking RS2000 in the background.
Lovely review as alwas, Jim 💛Thank you!
This video has been so helpful thank you I went to wanting one to knowing need a different career to afford one. Thanks
As soon as I found out about the air filter disaster I immediately leaned back towards M5.
Very honest and accurate video! Well done!
A road side asssistance dude told me to stay away from the hybrid Panameras, cause those are the ones they are usually picking up mostly do to the electric system failure.
My favorite car, that's why I wish you would've had more than 1 camera angle and less pictures of cars we already know exists
its like having the engine up front just opened up so many engine options and they just went crazy
I have always liked these cars. Now more than ever I'm considering getting one as an upgrade to my A3 8p. Either this or an already but this one is winning
I already own two Porsche's one I've owned for 34 yrs, last year I bought my self a used 911 cabriolet and next year I intend to buy a Panamera preferably the 3 litre diesel. Hank Marvin of the Shadows as lived in Australia for many years and his current ride his a Panamera. I've listened to lots of reports from all sorts of motoring journalists with none of them having a bad word to say. If buying used, like any other car, service history and better still, low mileage are very important factors. A cheap high mileage example with poor service history could turn out to be a money pit.
If i stay to watch every review at every car i will buy a bike, but if i watch every bike review i will walk:))
Its just an updated 928 which were the best touring car on the road in its day, I have owned a few PW 02/97 !!!
Thanks for making this informative and helpful video
Its actually more special and unique over the current gen. The current ones are just straight up expensive regular cars
"the active rear spoiler seems to forget that it's supposed to be active and becomes, well inactive."
That's, almost, what she said. :-)
@@Chris0-58 I was worried what the irritating noise was as I get to 60 MPH. Inactive now.
I never thought it was Ugly. It's just Porsche designers being unoriginal. I'd buy the Lexus GS-F *every* day of the week over the Panamera however lol.
You must be the only one, its very ugly
I have always like the 1st gen panamera
I’ve got the 2014 model, it’s a beauty of a motor to be honest!
This car reminds me of the 928, a good car that never lived up to the sporting intentions of porche owners
The Panamera is very individual looking and I love it.
I've never owned Porsche, altough had a chance to drive Panamera 2013 GTS - good drive. I had BMW F10 535X Drive, which was replaced with 2017 Lexus GS 450H and then with 2018 Lexus LS 500H. I will stick to Lex for now.
Bought my 6yr old Turbo 6yrs ago. Only problem in 6 yrs, one coil pack died, covered under the Porsche warranty. Absolutely fantastic car!
I’m an owner of a ‘23 Panamera GTS, previous to that we had a ‘21 Land Rover Range Rover under 12K miles when we traded it in for the Porsche. They are leased vehicles we are blessed and fortunate enough to not have to finance vehicles since approx. 2014. With all that being said. 1st, I believe that Porsche builds a very reliable vehicle, I can’t say the same for my ‘21 Range Rover. There weren’t any major problems, but there were a couple very minor ones. Secondly, I have heard and been told that some of these Porsche owners really track their cars. So in knowing that why would I buy a used car over $100K with no warranty? Some people buy cars just to say that have a particular car that’s the 1st mistake. Even a Toyota or Honda would be a money pit if no one takes care of that car. Today’s cars are so advance and so expensive that the buyer has to be a little vigilant in what they are getting into used car wise. How many old navigators and GLS’s have y’all seen with temp tags and the air suspension blown out and riding low like an old hot rod? So now we just blame Lincoln and Mercedes-Benz for being money pits. Everything is bad when you are not taking care of it, peoples tires be bald as hell and they drive around like they don’t care. To be honest don’t buy a luxury vehicle or any vehicle if you can’t handle the upkeep just get the keychain if you want the name that bad.
Well. I just paid 2300 and change for some coolant hoses so. Yeah there’s that. The average person cannot pay $1600 for tires either.
It’s a turbo S it’s a 2012 and I am practically scared to drive it because I can’t afford anything that goes wrong. I wish I would’ve bought an Audi or Volkswagen because that’s what it is anyway.
970 V8 here. I just paid 440 EUR and change for some coolant hoses and a leaking tube near the thermostat. Get yourself a proper techie who doesn't rip you off.
Hahaha love the Kraftwerk…. Well done guys 😂 And yeah, I’m not a badge snob so I’d go the GS-F.
Good cars especially the last of the v6 diesels
What aftermarket coilovers were used? I'm in the process of replacing my air suspension as the whole system just hydraulic fluid flooded itself from one strut giving out and I'm absolutely paranoid about picking a wrong selection for the coilover conversion kit
Panamara is a great performance sedan but maintenance costs are higher... a hellcat charger may be a less expensive altenative although the charger is much douchier
You guys should try and get your hands on a Eunos 500 for a video. Not too sure how much luck you would have finding one but my nana has one that's great, I'd love to see your opinions on the car. Great video by the way.
The trick is have then serviced regulary.