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In the market for a used Porsche Panamera? In the used car review video we break down everything you need to know if you're looking for a Porsche Panamera, including what goes wrong? What features it comes with and whether you should buy a used Porsche Panamera.
Check out the Porsche Panamera Cheat Sheet here: redriven.com/cheat-sheets/use...
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00:00 - Intro
00:35 - What is it?
03:41 - How's the interior?
09:53 - Tech, features & safety?
11:56 - What's it like to drive?
16:18 - Pricing, fuel use & warranty
17:36 - What goes wrong?
23:19 - Should you buy it?
What did you think? Did we miss anything? Let us know in the comments below and don't forget to subscribe to stay up to date with all of our latest content!
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I must be smoking a different strain to everybody else because I have always liked how the Panamera looks.
I guess we smoking the same pack 😂
it was like a giant 911 basically. Had character.
Big ass in early models. New ones look fantastic
@@KC-lg8qf911s ARE Giant
It looks good. Probably people want it to look like a 911, are the ones saying it doesn’t look good.
In the last 25 minutes I went from not really caring about a panamera, to definitely going to get a panamera on the weekend, to definitely never going to get a panamera. 🥵😂
😂😂😂
me too 😂
😂😂😂
Same happens to me with every "Porsche Review"...of EVERY model!
Basically, I don't have enough money to 'comfortably' own any of them. 😢
Same lol service and good looking over $15000
Soooo, did you get your Panamera? Enjoy it? ... How's the resale going?
“And if you wanna know how much it costs to rebuild these Porsche V8s, it’s pretty much all the money in the world”, this is hilarious, Jim!😂😂😂
Two words: extended warranty.
@@ssjlkrillin😂😂🏆🏆🏆🏆
As long as you look after it, there will be no issues. People buy performance German cars and think they can treat it like Corolla or Hyundai Getz… Find reliable independent Porsche mechanic, warm it up, don’t push it… Panamera is one beautiful car to wake up to every morning! Another gem is Bmw series 6 and for those who can afford, 2014 M6 🤤
The real trick is to find one that the owner has kept the Porsche warranty active. Porsche will warranty for 15yrs (if you pay the yearly fee (can buy 2/3/4 yrs at a time also). It is circa $1,500-1,800 per year and 100% worth it.
I’ve had 3 Panameras (now in. Taycan Turbo S) and loved them. Yes, I’m group A.
Exactly - very good advice - I got a brand new engine under warranty in my 718!
I bought 3 of my Porsche used and I just keep buying the extend warranty. Once I dont want to pay for the extend warranty I sell it
997 turbo warranty 8k, I left the car sitting for 8months when I was abroad and the transmission needed to be change which was $28k
cayenne turbo warranty was 7.2k p total cost billed to warranty throughout ownership was over $30k. Probably my favorite Porsche to daily to date.
Currently have a Panamera turbo s, only minor issues like the center vent locking up, spoiler failed retraction, I have to manually close it by holing down the button, I know first world problems. The thing with these cars is fix every issue asap and dont let them pile up - it will just annoy me. Plus I get a nice little loner car to drive around while it's in the shop. It is like a free rental and saves my mileage which will help when I sell the car.
Do you know what actuarial maths is? It is done by possibly the most boring ppl in the world who work in insurance companies and determine what your premiums should be. Essentially the more shit your old banger is, the more it costs to fix and the increased level of breakdowns it has, dictate the premium. A good car doesnt breakdown if you do the servicing and so you dont need this "insurance". Dont forget your premiums cover the cost of all the other breakdowns that have the "insurance". Get a more reliable car. I've spent $114 on my Mazda in 7.5 yrs.
@@csjrogerson2377 What Mazda do you have? Used to have one.
Wow i was thinking about getting 1. Just worried about the turbos. I've never had a car with a turbo.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! To own a used Panamera or Cayenne you can and must buy one with a Porsche Approved extended warranty, you can extend this warranty for up to 15 years so even the oldest Panameras can be under this warranty currently. As soon as someone who can't afford to maintain a high performance $300-400k car they will turn into money pits. However! Buy one under warranty and keep it under warranty and enjoy the Porsche ownership experience. My oil services are $595, include a gift and a brand new Porsche loan car.
The warranty must be kept continuous though (with some exceptions) even the Porsche dealer will advise against an early 970 without warranty.
Seriously, the whole context of this video is missed, BUMPER to BUMPER Warranty!
Good to know...thank you sharing!
and yet were talking about 30-40k$ "USED" cars...while needing "MASSVE" warranties on top of that as a BASIS of being STANDARD....AS IF said car....WONT/doesnt have innate issues/costly issues as it is PERIOD. Which directs the "CONCEPT" behind them being high cost to own/run on a 3-5 year basis if not longer...when you ADD up the expenses/warranty....its either you really want a "PORCHE" as an owner....and yet wont consider a boxer....or a TRUE PORSCHE. And are also willing to invest THAT much to prevent an INNATE issue. That the MAJORITY of everyone else....clearly states is why these cars are rarely One owner vehicles. If not even 2. Every timing chain/etc "replacement" equates to most ppl selling it bc its their 2nd car...and imagine a 2nd "option" being a larger "investment" than your daily...while not being a "classic" or etc...just seems asinine when you can get better financing/insurance on new cars. At the end of the day ppl would rather consider a used suv or sedan with low mpg that needs engine pull repairs...vs something newer/sportier with modern amenities. Thats all this has ever been about. A willingness to pay for a conceived notion of upper-class/first class experience. With prayers/hopes that the warranty/repairs are low cost/ideal enough that idk you may be able to SELL later at "HIGHER" than these "DEALS" we see on VIDEO LMFAO
Or just get a specialist and get on forums for help. Most parts can be found from VW, Audi etc.
I think the body design is stunning. Different strokes.....
I owned a 6 yrs old 4S ( v8) for 2 years, from 2016-2018. Major repairs, front air suspension, rear catalytic converter . Front head light washer . Roof lining ( this is part of the 100 point porsch check for its extended warranty, and had to be replaced)
The PDK was brill , lots of space in the back and was a real cruiser.
Unless you have an extended Porsche warranty, the repair costs will bleed you dry.
We need to listen to this owner.
Or unless you can do maintenance yourself.
I had a 2010 4S for six years (15-21). Bought it with 70k km on the clock, sold it with 220k km... near to zero faults in over 150k km. Do that with a M5 or AMG...
Good to hear. You missed the big hit of the first 5 years but love to know the depreciation cost in that period.
@@DiscoFang Sure, need to add that I am in Switzerland and car prices are different here than say the US. Bought the car at around 60k USD (list when new was 185k!!!) and sold it for roughly 20k USD. All in all roughly 25 cents per km depreciation. Well worth it!
@@CKn1979 Very similar prices to here in New Zealand except resale price for an 11yo S with 220K km would likely be under USD15K. I think I’d trust the M5 rather than the AMG to run similarly reliably.
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@@DiscoFang meanwhile here in Australia that car for under USD15k is still USD 30-50k.
Panamera Turbo S owner here. This car is over engineered. It's mind boggling fast, like you'll be on the freeway doing 70mph and you want to get in front of some traffic, just push the accelerator and it jumps through space and you're suddenly doing 140mph in seconds and it did it without any fuss or noise or sketchyness. I've had mine up to 185-190mph out running a BMW M5 and it did it without any complaints or lifting front end or scary ride or loud wind noises.....nothing it just did it. I got it around Leguna Seca in 1:44! For a beginner that's really good! 0-60 in 2.9 seconds.
As an owner, I think there’s some nuance required to answer the question of whether you should buy one. If you have an independent Porsche specialist you trust to do the work, or you do the work yourself, I think the repairs costs are not as astronomical as you might think. The Porsche dealer tax is real, with most things costing twice what they would at an independent shop.
People absolutely make far too big of a deal out of the potential issues. The air suspension is the only thing that is particularly common. Certainly don't buy one if you can barely afford it, but they're not going to cost you tens of thousands to run. It's like this for all German cars, ask the internet and they'll tell you it'll bankrupt you. As you said, the answer is far more nuanced, but hardly anyone gives that answer. At the end of the day this does keep prices down a bit, so I guess I shouldn't complain.
Never never use a dealer unless you have the latest model under warranty. I’ve owned them since 1980
I’ve owned German cars for the last 5 years… 2015 MINI Cooper S, 2007 E320 diesel, 2011 E350 Wagon… the horror stories you hear about these cars and maintenance. I’m not rich, I maintain the cars myself…. If the drive train is good from the factory, the rest you can do it yourself. Maybe because I work in semi trucks I’m a bit more confident in my skills… the parts cost might worry me a bit😁 I would put ceramic brake rotors and pads that’s for sure, that’s like 20k$. 1300$ classic all around
As an owner of a 3rd v8 Porsche I can definitely say these problems are very relative to the care of the previous owner. With the Turbo, you are going to burn oil as it is a high performance engine and assuming you drive it like it’s meant to be driven it’s bound to burn some oil. Changing your oil every 3-5K miles keeps your engine in tip top shape. Camshaft adjusters had a recall for the V8s and not all were affected. Electrical issues are all relative to your car. The cost of parts if something does go wrong or ware is the only downside but if you are witty there are cheaper ways to obtain factory parts.Take care of the Porsche and the Porsche will take care of you.
My dad’s going to buy a 2015 Porsche Panamera 4S. Do you think it is good? Reliability? Cost of maintainence?
@@smoothkebab make sure he pays attention to the service records and how it drives. Other than that they run forever
What about a 2020 911 turbo S? Is it reliable?
@@abovethelaw4417 Super reliable. However you are gonna pay a premium for maintenance and parts.
@@abovethelaw4417 yes
I’ve a 2014 turbo s at 570bhp which is the 2nd facelift version
I’ve had it almost 2 years with 35k miles on it. I changed the pdk oil at 30k it’s had a major service upon initial purchase and at that time had a new inter cooler and a rear door sun blind actuator replaced all under warranty. Basically I’ve had no issues B no and have got 28.8 mpg driving highway and combined with blasts of speed average around 20-22mpg. Oil wise it burns about 200ml every 1500-2000miles. In sport and sport plus mode the suspension hardens up and lowers the steering tightens up and it grips the road like glue and when pedal pushed to the floor the car overboosts increasing torque to 800 nm and it can embarrass a whole lot of top super cars. If you are thinking of one I got a pre purchase inspection for reassurance and have no major issues. One hell of a car in the turbo s model😎
@@Nnonyabizevery-time I come back from my a good run, like yourself I’ve a smile on my face and occasionally shaking with the adrenaline rush. It’s defies physics 💩
Price?
I have a 2015 with a warranty. And I love it. Just started using the shift paddles. Double the fun.
Wanna know what will make it triple the fun? Me in the passenger seat, decked out in a pair of daisy-duke's, showcasing a prominent bulge..😘
I’ve never came across your channel love how well researched you are and how you presented it!
Bit late on my comments, but...
I own a 2015 Turbo S. Brilliant, Brilliant, Brilliant Car... period.
Luxury, Gran Tourer Deluxe if you will, but hammer it (in any mode) and the blood of the 911 starts to show its true colors. This thing is a beast in Sport Mode... !
AWD is a must in the snow, and makes her hook up like you would not believe.
Pay attention to maintenance schedules, proper fluids especially, take care of her and she will take care of you.
I went from an E60 M5 v10 to a very well specced panamera V8 turbo S fully loaded with 48k miles and I put 50k miles on it over nearly 5 years only both front ball joints and a new water pump had to be replaced on top of regular service and maintenance work. got through 3 pairs of rear super sport cup 2s and 2 pairs of fronts, 2 sets of wheel bearings all round. Very happy with it overall, I don't get the hate for the looks, it's a good looking 4 door luxury high performance saloon with huge power on demand amazing levels of grip and awd year round practicality. It drives really well, handles great running costs are part of the deal with a Porsche
You guys are brilliant, great content, thanks very much 👍👍
Adam, you are a flipping legend mate! I love your presentations, funny, informative and thoroughly entertaining. Please keep it going; you cheek rascal!! Cheers for your practical take on cars we can afford to buy, but not necessarily afford to keep, it keeps us in check!! Well done to you and all your team, you are doing an amazing job, well done!
Very honest and accurate video! Well done!
Lovely review as alwas, Jim 💛Thank you!
I always liked the Panamera, even the very first ones in the right colors looked great. Like the Audi A7 or the Tesla S, and later the Kia Stinger, I think this larger 4 door hatch format is the perfect roadtrip car. Woulda loved it when I moved cross country and had 2 passengers plus a decent pile of cargo; my Jeep was definitely not built for 75-80mph through the plains with heinous crosswinds!
I have an a7 and here i am looking at the panamera I just want my friends to be able to chill. If you got 3 6 ft 4 homies in the back A7 no problem
Thanks for making this informative and helpful video
This is one of the best reviews ever! You guys are very thorough! I want one of these cars and I have been looking at them for awhile. I think I have my answer now after hearing everything that was said.
Thanks so much!
What’s your answer?
Did you get one, then??
Jim got it spot on. I literally had the first one in Singapore - the pdk gearbox gave out within the first 4 months- apparently it was a real issue with early cars and thankfully was sorted under warranty. And OMG did it love to sip on Mobil 1 engine oil - literally had a bottle in the boot topping it up on a weekly basis. But I loved it and still check out the classifieds … hmmm …. Maybe I’ll pull the trigger ….. noooooooooo!
Sounds like owning an RX-8 but more expensive!
Thanks guys, great video as always! would you please do one on Porsche Cayenne please? Looking forward to it for it for a while now. Cheers!
Yes please. 958 Cayenne review. Many of the issues likely the same as they have the same engine lineup but as someone in the market for a used 958.1 GTS or Turbo I'd love to see one Redriven...
Loving the channel ❤️
Subscribed.
All of the money in the world 😂, great review chaps
And Yes the Lexus GS F is amazing 🎉
970 Turbo owner, that group A B thing does sum it up well. And well I'm group A, supercar with 4 doors, nothing quite like it. But its an exotic and ask any exotic owner there's a price to pay.
GSF no question. Owning an unreliable money pit as a fun weekend car or project? Sure. But a fun daily has to be reliable as well. Lexus all the way in this instance.
The Turbo S has so much power. It really feels amazing to drive.
I enjoy my Porsche Panamera Turbo s. It is a Beast, of course. The PDK went out. Cause I didn't pay attention to the service record when I bought it in that aspect. But the warranty has been $4500 later. It's all good. I read the pay forty-five hundred than to pay twenty-two thousand for the PDK transmission... The car is a beast
I love the styling. A chunky nugget of a car. Solid.
Its a great overall car. The GTS is a drivers dream with that 4.8ltr v8. The air suspension and alcantara interior are superb.
Get in and test drive one. You will not regret it.
Just fitted a set of Wipertech wipers on a midteens VW. Easily fitted, no tools needed, and they work as well as new OE. Yeah, I'd recommend them. 👍
Ps, they don't do wipers for a Valiant.
Hey man love your videos! Could you guys do a couple series of cheap cars that are fuel economics and indestructible cars beater/sh*t boxes. Much appreciated 👍
Thank you for doing a review on the Panamera, it was on my list of possibles for replacement of my C55 AMG estate, i guess not anymore.
Monthly/ yearly maintenance is a must , hence the timed service tables. But remember, you are purchasing a six figure car, at a fraction of the price, but the repair/ maintenance costs are still inline with a six figure car.
This is exactly how a Porsche 4 door should look. Very nice looking car.
It will empty your wallet with huge repair bills
It already did empty the wallet. If I, or whoever, can afford a $100,000USD+ vehicle...with warranty...the costs this man is talking about don't exist or don't matter.@@cwillfrommd
Love the 'God No!'. I am in group B, thanks for the lovely honest straight forward review. Excellent stuff.
You guys should try and get your hands on a Eunos 500 for a video. Not too sure how much luck you would have finding one but my nana has one that's great, I'd love to see your opinions on the car. Great video by the way.
GS F all the way! Car Advice founder John Crawford had one for 6 months and said it was another level above anything from Mercedes, BMW and Audi, it's craftsmanship put it in the realm of RR or Bentley and it was a pleasure to drive.
As an owner of the 4.8 V8 turbo Panamera, you can really get around these issues if you maintain the car. Keep the fluids fresh and the carbon buildup low and they are incredibly reliable vehicles.
How do you keep carbon buildup low? What do you recommend?
@@aero-space541Italian tune-up, rev it up to redline at least once a week. Best to do this on a highway.
I found an all white 2016 Porsche panarama GTS for sale down here in Tampa w/ under 80k miles on it for $39k. Think that is a good deal? I may be calling the dealer tomorrow to try and secure a deal!
@@tylermoreland9748 If that doesn't work and you want a 2013 turbo let me know. I liked the back side better before the facelift but I am ready for something faster that i can mod.
@@aero-space541 use the gas pedal liberally and often
The hatchback panameras look pretty freaking good. Out of that, gotta learn more about that variant.
Agreed, service regularly, have an independent mechanic and warranty, there you go I've had the 96 BMW 740il since 2000, 280,000 miles and still going. Yes, I had the vanos gear plastic railing replaced, luckily just opted to fix it instead of waiting, no other issues. Changing control arms now which honestly aren't that expensive, considering the mileage. Maintenance, maintenance, maintenance.
Great subject as I’ve been considering getting a first gen as a daily driver. It’s ugly but in a good way because she’s got a great personality!
No...not the 1st gen. I bought a Cayenne S for better practicality. was looking at the Pan, but decided against for many reasons.
I thing the problem with Porsche is the reliable ones are not the ones you’d pick. A panamera V6 non turbo with the standard (non air suspension) is not only reliable but easy to work on. But the one you want to have is the v8 with air suspension because I mean of course you do. And like a nice watch more complications = more money.
Loved the review, all the positives mentioned were the reasons i got mine. But stay away from the S Hybrid and pasm models. If the hybrid system fails, the car cannot be driven. If the pasm fails, the suspension will drop to the lowest and your car cannot be driven.
What’s Pasm?
My heart says Panamera, my head says Lexus. Bugger, buy both! Thanks Adam, I look forward to every video you make and it is a pity that Jim is too far away from Brisbane to take my cars to him.
@@bernardbernabe7733 where are what? Did you assume I had a Panamera and a Lexus? Apparently you missed the humour and the question mark in your comment. Were you attempting arrogance or are you just a passive aggressive noir?
The answer is the LC500. A Lexus that is beautiful and cool.
Passion one word we love you!
Great review. Had the 2013 Platinum Edition…. Still my favorite car till this day (regret trading in for Tesla). Taycan here I come!
The Taycan is basically a drive by subscription car, but you also have to pay the hefty entrance fee.
I got a Panamera 4 PE v6. Thats the BEST one! No air suspension, no carbon brakes.
Great video as always guys! Hey, any idea what the aftermarket coilovers were on this? Very curious.
Best run out speach ever. I once Group A'd a 996 turbo for the next owner. You're welcome. I'll pay it off in 5 more years
If it's a 970 generation, it will LIKELY be a money pit, especially if its anything above a Base RWD. If it's a 971 thats not been mistreated, it will likely NOT be a money pit REGARDLESS of trim level.
Source - Porsche Brand Ambassador with 6 years of experience at two different Porsche Centre's.
Or you can buy a nice C7 Audi S7 like I did and basically have a half priced 971 Panamera GTS, same engine and the transmission is identical to Macan PDK. I have soft close doors, heads up display, LED headlights and air suspension.
I love that he dropped the ONLY real "alternative". I mean ... the GS450h has 340hp and hybrid kick.
I love my 2010 Porsche Panamera S. But replacing the compressor and the front air shocks were the most expensive repairs I’ve ever paid in my life for a car. Just over $10,500.00 after repairs, parts and taxes from an exclusive Porsche only repair shop. Unfortunately the rubber or plastic in the air shocks, deteriorate over time. But now that it’s fixed, she’s very fun to drive for a large car.
That’s pretty damn expensive. It is after all damn near is super car but you could’ve done it yourself suspensions usually pretty simple.
@@Onelovej I wish I knew how, trust me. But my automotive repair knowledge is rather limited (basic oil change, tires, spark plugs) and I never attempted shocks, let alone German engineering air suspension. Had the car since March, about 5 months and already sunk $17,000 grand on her. My O2 sensor and fuel pump repairs came out to just under $5,000.
@@ghostlandgrand64you have the v6? If so, the labor costs are probably way too high on it as you’re paying for it right now. I can respect you getting it done right though, better than not
@@tyro7428 Nah I have a 2010 Panamera S. She’s a 8 cylinder 4.8 400hp. My Porsche technician charges $186.00 a hour not including of course parts, taxes and service fees. He only works with Porches but I have another full service shop up the street for basic maintenance and minor repairs.
Good thing I got a full 6byr extended warranty that covers all suspension parts, including airbags
I own a 997 since 12 years. The paint quality is absolutly marvelous and it'S one of the reasons I tought of buying a second porsche. Are you guys telling me that on other models the paint is no better than other VW?
Good vid, enjoyed. I will stick to my x6 50i 500+hp after tune.
Thought about this having owned quite reliable Porsches before. Settled on BMW 440i xdrive Gran coupe.
Stop the panamera hate!
You need to experience the car in person.
It has such a presence!
I own a one these ppl are crazy asf spreading bs the guy doing this video doesn’t own shit just making a bs review
Yes your right i love mine..
Need a Lexus GS F review please🙏🏻
I have a 2014 GTS and I love it. Don’t buy a Porsche if you can’t afford it.
Did you say $15,000 for a service?
I almost dropped my beer when I heard that price
He did but I just googled Porsche standard service and in NZ it’s between $800 and $1,500, he did say full going over so maybe it wasn’t the standard service. Still a lot but in line with Mercedes. Example of a service ua-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/v-deo.html
That amount is not a joke. I had an 11yo Panamera S hybrid and it had coolant leaks. I was quoted 15k usd to overhaul the piping and replace sensors. Did a partial fix for 5k and sold it...
@@toyhoarder4895 well I’ve seen a guy do a total rebuild of a Porsche in UK and it had multiple services to get it approved and it didn’t cost anything like that, so I guess it depends on the Porsche dealership. I’d suggest like with anything shop around. Porsche actually have a reputation for not having exorbitant charges, do some things cost a lot yes, it appears on the whole they seem to be very competitive when compared with other brands.
@@toyhoarder4895 well this guy paid $1500 pounds including new tires.
ua-cam.com/video/1kOTGEtjUdI/v-deo.html
Know it was the Tycan vs the Panamera, but Porsche also advertise much lower rates when contacted.
This was filmed at the front of my house, its a sign i need to buy one. Thanks god
Could you review the 2012 Cayenne Diesel? Was looking to buy one and would love a review on it 🙏
I’ve got the 2014 model, it’s a beauty of a motor to be honest!
What aftermarket coilovers were used? I'm in the process of replacing my air suspension as the whole system just hydraulic fluid flooded itself from one strut giving out and I'm absolutely paranoid about picking a wrong selection for the coilover conversion kit
You've shattered my dreams, Jim.
Love tour videos bro can you review a sv6 or xr6 sedans ❤
Coming soon mate! - AK
Hahaha love the Kraftwerk…. Well done guys 😂 And yeah, I’m not a badge snob so I’d go the GS-F.
Loved the look and loads of fun to drive...when it ran. Mine was a true money pit.
"the active rear spoiler seems to forget that it's supposed to be active and becomes, well inactive."
That's, almost, what she said. :-)
Its just an updated 928 which were the best touring car on the road in its day, I have owned a few PW 02/97 !!!
As soon as I found out about the air filter disaster I immediately leaned back towards M5.
I have a 2011 970 4S. It is an amazing track car, have all options but rear electronic differential. I love this V8 naturally aspirated, the AWD road grip and corner performance is fantasmic, off the line is neck snapping every time. There is not much else this low with this road feel. Its not perfect and it takes a budget to maintain, but as a 2nd Porsche its a keeper for me!
With all due respect, a Panemera is not an amazing track car! Weight is always the enemy on track - you might go moderately fast for a few laps, but a hard days’ driving would make roast of the tires, the rotors and pads, leaving inevitable expensive replacement costs of the consumables
Ok, show me any published list of “10 great track cars” or even “25 great track cars” with a Panamera on it
Of course, you can take almost anything onto a track if you pay the event fee, but having owned a 2010 4s, that went into limp mode after a piece of plastic broke and blocked the air filters during hard cornering at one such event many years ago, it is not a regular track car,….unless you have money to burn and you enjoy a false sense of security as the considerable grip of the AWD masks the rudimentary level of the person driving
We took it to the track as a one-off novelty and expected it not to perform, and we were not wrong
Have you ever considered a light, RWD car for the track with the traction control switched off?
A track car!?!?! This is an executive saloon built for comfort and as heavy as you'd expect. Yes it has a lot of power to blast down the Autobahn and it's Porsche so the driving dynamics are above average, but it isn't built as a track car.
@@AgentGG1967 no and no! Fair enough!
@@AgentGG1967 Thanks I'll get in touch if I make it down there!!
I had the base Panamera 2017 and i absolutely enjoyed every bit of the car especially as a daily driver...well besides how much insurance was but regardless even for a base model it was a fun car especially in sport mode. The services were pretty pricey but thats to be expected with foreign vehicles. You have to pay to play. If you can get one for cheap then i suggest it but dont pay the mark up prices because it will severely depreciate. Ended up happening to me when i went to sell my car when i bought my new house and i was 15k underwater on it. Regardless its still a great car and a head turner.
Insurance portion is so understated. I pay 70% more in insurance for my 2012 Panamera Turbo than my 2016 Viper ACR.
@@invictusaeternumwow
The Panamera is very individual looking and I love it.
Any car can develop a problems. Don't let this guy put you off. Fantastic car
The camshaft bolt had a recall to fix it, at least here in the US. It also was only on the first few years of this generation.
You nailed the description of what is wrong with the styling of this car.
I bought a 2013 Audi S6 with 110,000 miles two years ago. Totally beautiful car, a beast. You would think a car these days would last way beyond that. Toyota and Honda seemed to figure this out DECADES AGO. The S6 was in great shape but quickly became a nightmare. So over complicated and fragile; not over engineered. Every week, something else was breaking. Lights on the dash... how much is this going to cost? It got to the point that every time I turned on the ignition, I was expecting a new alarm or light to come on. I became conditioned to expect this. Stressful. Plastics everywhere obviously not tested to last more than 10 years. Leaks, 1 LED on a tail light goes out from rain intrusion and the entire thing has to be replaced. Can't just leave it like that, because there is always a warning and a light on the dash. Sensors, plugs, wires, hoses, etc. Not normal maintenance stuff. Terrible business ethics. Sad. Sold it to a willing new owner... Bought a Lexus GS350. When you buy these cars, expect this.
Is this one of those cars where changing the engine/ transmission mounts is an engine out job for AUD$7000+ ?
Ok so at the end of the day, which model is the most reliable with the least amount of issues. Please include year. Do they all come with air suspension? Thank you
Panamara is a great performance sedan but maintenance costs are higher... a hellcat charger may be a less expensive altenative although the charger is much douchier
My favorite car, that's why I wish you would've had more than 1 camera angle and less pictures of cars we already know exists
When it first came out in 2009, I thought the rear was ugly, now after getting used to it, I like it, much like the people who signed off on the design.
Can you review the Tayvan? How is reliability on the EV?
Great video guys! Loved it. Always entertaining 😂
The second gen panamera 2016 update seems to run very similar in price now
My 05 Statesman has the same little arm nugget. Guess I'm just fancy as Porsche
Man, the dollar in Australia and the price of cars there is crazy.
I have always like the 1st gen panamera
I wanted to get a mercedes w211 e320 3.0 v6 diesel with 224 hp and 510nm torque. Some days ago i found the Porsche Panamera first gen 4S 3.0 V6 petrol with 420hp and 520nm torque, double the hp of the benz!
This car reminds me of the 928, a good car that never lived up to the sporting intentions of porche owners
What size engine is in the base model? What is it's power output?
I have had 3 Porsches. I have 2 now. One is 2012 911 and the other 2017 Cayenne turbo. Between the 3, I have had a minor convertible top issue, turn signal error issue (ongoing, sporadic, nobody can fix), random electronic's error (can fix it by restarting the car), occasional locking of PDK in parking position in 911 and rattling in the rear in high speed, vibration in high speed( due to worn bushings in suspension arms), occasional blacked out parking cams, not recognizing the key when turning on the car, trunk not closing properly (nobody can fix) in Cayenne. So is it worth it owning one? Yes it is. Is it expensive to maintain? Maybe. Everything I have listed except the bushing failure is minor and you can live with them. None of the 3 failed on the road ever and they all drive fantastic. The bushing and trunk issues annoy the heck out of me. Bushing failure requires the entire suspension arm change. And I have to change 4 of them. Easily $5000 in USA. I will have to get it done sooner than later. $5000 is a lot of money and I'm not happy about it at all. But the each one of them cost me $150k. Considering that, maybe it's ok.
I hope you’ll have a chance to do a video on the Jaguar i-Pace
Good cars especially the last of the v6 diesels
Would of been cool to ask the owner how much he spent on it whilst owning to for comparison on either repairs or ownership.
You look like the bloke on the ford Everest ad that is playing on the cricket at the moment