How Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq had Their Future Taken Away! Stunted Growth Music
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- Опубліковано 29 лис 2022
- Peter Gunz and Lord Tariq had their future's taken over sampling. Today’s feature is an American Hip Hop duo from the bronx New York that made a wave in the late 90s, mainly behind their classic song Deja VU-Uptown Baby and their highly anticipated debut album “Make it Reign” that released December 1997 and June 2nd 1998 respectively. Going back and studying the Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz story takes you to a time hip hop music and hip hop acts crossing over into the music industry was really like trial and error. A lot more is understood when it comes to the business side of making music today, and things like independence and artist rights have been much more figured out than when Gunz and Tariq had their shot in the business. It’s an unfortunate tale of two people that connected in the rawest way possible at the time, face to face and in competition. The two both being from the same area, even though attended different high schools, always knew of each others skills through word of mouth that in our school yard, this guy was the nicest and there, they have a guy just as good. Fast forward years later, the two would finally be focused on music enough to come together and create a hit, which would be Uptown Baby and give the Bronx an Anthem they haven’t had since KRS one and the 1986 South Bronx. It was a trying time for both MCs, going through their music not panning out like they thought it would. What happened? How Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq had Their Future Taken Away! Stunted Growth Music
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Interesting how that one sample of their hit song completely changed and derailed Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq's career. Who knows what more they had if it was feasible to stay together and make more music. Was Steely Dan right for all they took? They took writing credits too... wow.
Song is called *Deja vu not “uptown baby” 😅 your welcome
I had no idea about this
Steely Dan was sheisty for real. They could have just cleared the sample and that's it. They did that out of spite. Look how they mocked the song as well. But it was their song and do have a right to do whatever they please with it. Just about being fair in it. They were cutthroat and looked down on those brothers.
OUCH!
Basically slavery and greed
Finally, Peter gunz and lord Tariq should've had a longer run. Industry politics destroyed many artists careers.
they would've done well in the 2000s in my opinion
You beat me to it bro but glad you submitted it
@@legendarytony2454 record labels and the entire messed everything up. I hate how the critics call them one hit wonders when there run was stunted.
I liked We Will Ball! Probably more than De Ja Vu
Street politics more than anything are what truly ruined their careers. Their affiliation with Pistol Pete and SMM is what caused them to be blackballed in the industry after the Feds stepped to Columbia Records over them keeping Pete’s name alive and Tariq giving Pete’s mom his Rolex and telling her to take it back and use the money to pay for Pete’s lawyer. That was the real reason their careers got derailed.
Do Camp Lo next. Luchini aka This is it & Coolie High one of my favorite hip hop records of all time fasho.
Facts 💯
That song is hard af! First heard it about 5 years ago.
But Hol' Up, Tho,
Camp Lo Ain't Muthafuckin Stunted!..
@JoeLoveMovies4 they definitely stunted their growth. They aint dropped an album for years. Stop being bias bruh lol.
The album is great
I remember that Uptown song. That beat was a monster. They should've at least had a 4 year run.
You're the same account going off about Capadonna who's infinitely better than these two trash artists
What makes you decide on 4 years?
@@rogermoore27 It's the typical run most popular rappers have before people look for something else.
“If it wasn’t for the Bronx this hip hop shit probably would never be going on, so tell me where you from? Uptown baybeh” #forever a hip hop classic line in my hip hop culture books
I'm going to drop some maybe unheard knowledge about Gunz & Riq that maybe people don't know. In the year 2001 I was in Cali with my music group pursuing a record deal. We linked up with Bernard Dean of Universal Records (he is the brother of the Ruff Ryders Dean) and he liked our music alot. So much so that he invited us to the building, he played our music for some of the baddies that was there, we blazed and listened to a new album that they were putting together for Gunz & Riq.... It was FIRE!!! I distinctly remember two of the cuts had Debarge samples and it was CRAZY!! We were set to sign a deal and potentially work with Gunz & Riq but then.... 9/11 happened. And... It was crazy. Because, even in LA at the time, the stamp had to come from NYC and that was a done deal due to.9/11. If anyone ever speaks to B. Dean, ask him about the album... All facts
This is why a lot of hip hop artists started using producers who could make original beats . Sampling became a mf in the mid to late 90s and early 2000s
The label completely failed these guys, cause that song should have NEVER made it to the airwaves w/o making sure everything was cleared. By this time sample clearance was a thing due to Biz Markie getting sued. No excuse to release a song, and not clear the sample.
Pharoahe Monch also was a victim of sample clearance issues.
How they fail them ? That was planned lol
@@socialmediaego You saying the label wanted the lawsuit to happen? No way to agree or disagree with the point, but I want to understand the point you're making.
Yep, in the late 90s that unfortunately hurt some dope artists who weren't aware of the outcome regarding sample clearance. Rick james could've hit hammer really hard but he was cool with what he was getting.
The song wasn't official it was a Battle of the Beats winner.
They sounded really crisp and tight on Funk Flex mixtapes in the late 90s
The only thing constant is socialmedia weirdos gripped by nostalgia
Wow....I'm so conflicted with Steely Dan now. I've always loved them but they did Lord and Gunz pretty raw.
It’s business. Lord and Gunz took their song without permission and made money from it. Certain artists are sensitive about their artistry and how it’s used. Steely Dan might not have wanted their art associated with street rap and took 100% of everything as a way to sending a message that if you take our stuff without my consent we’re taxing you.
Steely Dan did right by their music. It's about business, unfortunately.😶
I'm so conflicted with Steely Dan also, because they didn't have to do that. There's no way Lord and Gunz understood fully what they were signing it appears that they were swindled by all the people involved including their label, smh. Steely Dan is greedy and being greedy is a characteristic that can't be trusted. If Lord and Gunz would've known better I'm pretty sure that they would've told Steely Dan to stick that song where the sun don't shine!
The thing about Steely Dan is they were studio perfectionists, to put it mildly. They would do many layers of tracks, and have different ppl play the isolated instrument they focused on, sometimes 4 or 5 different absolute masters trying it before they picked one. They are universally respected for making four or five of the greatest rock/soul albums ever. Single-handedly pushed jazz guitar onto FM Radio. Admit it, it would be kind of raw to have someone just loop something you spent countless hours on, and not even have the courtesy of looking you up first. Better communication would have made for a much nicer outcome for all parties, without this bitter situation that came of it. Big fail by Tariq/Gunz’ studio to not clear the sample.
Man Lord Tariq use to Kill the mixtapes in 95,96 with his Money Boss Players crew before I ever heard of Peter Gunz
Sample clearance issues have always been a reoccurring problem in hip hop that shouldn’t keep getting repeated. From Biz Markie to De La Soul, taking major losses due to not getting proper sample clearance situated before releasing an album. Hell, Sean Combs biggest hit is 100% owned by Sting, which is an interesting story in itself since it is a Police record, because he impulsively released the song before getting the proper samples cleared. There should be a class offered on this one subject alone for aspiring rap artist and producers.
@Main Frame you absolutely correct but it wasn’t until the early 90’s when sampling laws came into effect and even after that labels would still release songs without clearing the samples. Sting however is notorious for owning 100% of any song of his that is sampled. Juice WRLD’s (R. I.P) biggest hit Lucid Dreams Sting owns 100% of that song. Record labels tell artists don’t sample Sting unless you are Willing to give up all your rights.
But that's music BUSINESS❗ music is centered around publishing and distribution. The artist is usually in a slave position and poorly compensated. Dont take advances! Its a loan.
The days of sample based production is long over.Most modern production is keyboard ,drum machines and other live instruments
@@stephenheath8465 Far from it. Even a lot of those random sound effects and keyboard stabs be sampled materials that sometimes need to be cleared. Sample based productions is the foundation of hip-hop and rap music in general.
@@mainframe2931 sampling is part of hip hop and it’s a lot of classic songs that would make great samples but these old head clowns be getting too damn greedy.
I mean the labels and producers should know better then to put out a sampled beat without clearing it but old heads wanting 100% is just being spiteful and greedy. Old heads always complaining about the young artists giving them their respect as og’s but it’s greedy tactics like this that make the new artists feel like fk the old heads frfr
Now I know what happened to them. That was really rough especially that bad business deal they made. Thanks for sharing their story.
The only people who seem to care is this collective of weirdos in the comments🚮
Peter Gunz was Shaq's Robin for a quick minute.
Shaq is Superman not Batman
@@clarencegboddicker8144 Peter Gunz words on a track he did with Shaq in '98 and Shaq told Gunz to stop front'in.
@@MackTatum ok. I see
Facts
It’s crazy that Steely Dan was fully credited 100% in royalties for their biggest hit song of their career
Wow...didn't know that
Well it showed they hatred for hip hop music and culture so that’s why they hit they pocket and unfortunately that was the demise of their career smh those two whit3 boys treated them mc’s accordingly if you ask me it’s nothing new just look at hip hop now
@@Societykilla-ol4fu I mean that scratched my head! I would turn down the offer if Steely Dan wanted complete absolute royalties and writing credits…. That’s like one the worst deals in hip hop history
@@Societykilla-ol4fu hate it but reminded about it everytime a check clears 🙄
@@terucks
I doubt Peter GunZ and Lord Tariq made or had control of that decision. No artist in their right mind would give that much up off of a smash hit. The label probably bottom lined that to avoid a lawsuit
I always thought it would've been dope if Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz would've gotten signed by Rocafella Records, that just might've saved their careers 🤷🏽♂️
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80’s and 90’s hip hop music wouldn’t exist without sampling. Remember that. It’s the foundation of hip hop music. All your favourite groups hits. Gone just like that.
Dejavu was my shit. Real Talk
Thank You JC, I've been waiting for this one 💯🙏
Peter Gunz was on of my favorite artists I wish he would of did a full album produced by Dj Quik they had chemistry together.
So Many Ways bang to this day!!!... peace
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One of the many Stunted Growth features that has been LONG OVERDUE.
Stunt 3 is the biggest stunt. Giving up everything to Steely Dan is a major loss, but they at least had the ability to tour off that song. Fans don’t know about publishing and clearing samples so fans didn’t care about Steely Dan; it killed their momentum as far as personal gain but it didn’t kill their momentum with fans. If they could’ve made more hits they could’ve had a more successful career. Sadly, what we see with Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz is a one-hit-wonder who didn’t even get to capitalize on their one hit because it relied too much on an established artist’s music.
By 1998 there was no excuse for samples not to be cleared beforehand. The early 90s (maybe late 80s) were when people started getting hit with lawsuits. Whoever produced or okayed that shit thinking nobody would notice is an idiot.
Ayo, you should do a stunted growth on Sporty Thieves
In the Bronx call me Lex cuzz I push a Lex & I rock a Rolex
Liked before thr vid even really started. I’m glad you did this vid cuz this is truly one of the most tragic hip hop stories ever
Do Kid N Play next!
Faxts
Speaking of which Lord Tariq N Peter Gunz did remind me of Kid N Play late 90's version
Lord Tariq is one of the greatest mixtape artists ever!!!!!!!!!
This is a cool video but is completely inaccurate as to what happened to their careers. Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz were the hottest duo when they first emerged, they had a hit song with Mariah, Gunz had a hit song with Shaq and they had hit with Tatiana Ali as well. What ruined their careers is the same thing that stopped Irv Gotti and Murder INC as well. Lord Tariq grew up with Pistol Peter Rollick the founder of the Sex Money Murder bloods out of the Bronx. When Pistol got locked up Tariq put a down payment for his lawyer and he even rapped about him on their album. When the feds tried to bury Pistol Tariq kept his name alive and that’s when the feds stepped to Columbia Records, Columbia dropped them and you didn’t see anything else from them again. I brought Make It Reign when it first came out and I played the fuck out of that album. Them, Killa aka Cam’Ron, Canibus, N.O.R.E, Big Pun (R. I.P) The Lox, Mase, DMX (R. I.P) Jay-Z and those Clue tapes that late 97 to early 99 run was special. They went from being the hottest duo in the game to literally you couldn’t find any trace of them in stores and they got blackballed. That’s why Tariq got frustrated with the industry. We Will Ball was a hot record, was gaining stream and suddenly disappeared. The same way Irv got blackballed behind Supreme, Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz got blackballed behind Pistol Pete. The only difference is Irv had generated hundreds of millions of dollars for the industry so they allowed him to come back, Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz hadn’t so they weren’t as fortunate. Had their careers not been blackballed them giving up 100% of Deja Vu wouldn’t have hurt them as much. Puffy has songs like I’ll Be Missing You and Victory were in order to clear the song he had to give up 100% of the song but because he has such a successful career that hasn’t hurt him. Sting is notorious for keeping 100% of his songs that people sample. Like Juice WRLD’s (R. I.P) Lucid Dreams Sting owns 100% of that song so that happens all the time but because Lord Tariq and Peter Gunz got blackballed that decision came back to haunt them.
I ain't mad at the terms of the sample deal, cuz business is business, but that 100% pub demand is INSANE. 🥵
Lord Tariq was killing that Defari beat at the start!!
I always thought this was a raw deal but I didn't know it was THAT bad. That's rough.
Lord Tariq was light-years ahead of Peter Guns lyrically
You should do a video on New Boyz next 💯
Thank you for covering this, I wanted to know what happened to them!!!!
That Neptunes Produced song "What's That Sound" They dropped after the album was tight
The freestyle in the beginning. Simple beat, scratchy mic, razor sharp bars are hip-hop at it's essence.
This was one of the first music video I remember watching on TV I was around 6 or 7 at the time.
This is a huge cautionary tale, especially as an artist.
These two reminded me of the rap duo Kid 'n' Play.
I wish they would of continue on, I feel is though, they would of been the next biggest duo in the late 90's, and early 00's!
Sting did the same thing to a lot of rappers sampling his music
Facts 💯
peter gunz and lord tariq was supposed to be next up
Real talk short lived
BX stand all the way up! 🗽🗽🗽
South Bronx forever.
HEY . PEACE THIS COMEDIAN FRED PHRED. I LOVE THIS CHANNEL . VERY INFORMATIVE . CAN'T YOU DO ONE ON RAPPER KING JUST FROM STATEN ISLAND? I THINK HIS CAREER WAS STUNTED TOO.
I Just Subscribed to your Channel!
Great video! Can you do one on Camp Lo, Da Youngstaz, Jeru The Damaja and Masta Ace
Peter gunz one of my favorite MCs straight up
Those tracks were goin crazy on those 90's mixtapes
Saying that though, they did write songs for shaq and took part in the twism label, Shaqs albums went platinum
Love your content. Can you do a stunted growth on Chicago Legend and one of the most underrated lyricist of all time, Twista
Thanks for doing that episode. I remember running into Lord Tariq in the soundview projects. I really thought he could have gone solo. Thought he was a better MC. Would have liked to seen more from them. I have to agree that deal they cut with steely. Dan was ridiculous.
The feds had them blackballed because of their affiliation with Pistol/Smm
That's the REAL reason it didn't work out
That's not the main reason but that's half of it, they tried to pull down tyson Beckford with that shit too but he was already too big
Great video. I suggest Kidz in the Hall. Late 2000 rap group.
You gotta do Steady B & Cool C from West Philadelphia bro. A lotta people would appreciate that
I heard the uptown song a full year before it was released in 1998. Dj doo wop had a mixtape out in summer 97 with that song on it 💯
A early in and out pattern. cool
This was the shit in Tokyo back in 97'. High school days!
Sugar Hill Records did this stuff to 99 Records. As in, used a sample of the song "Cavern" by Liquid Liquid for the song "White Lines". 99 Records sued and eventually won. They went under because of the cost of the litigation, and Sugar Hill Records went bankrupt because they couldn't pay. This case set the standard of clearing a sample first.
Can we get a Leaders of the New School stunted growth episode?
I so would love to see that for I was a huge L.O.N.S. as well as a Busta Rhymes fan.
The song was an unquestionable hit however in Cleveland, it was in and out.
Cleveland '97-98 was NO LIMIT Records and then everything else.
Facts…I couldn’t stand it, at first 😂
Who knew Peter Gunn had the flow though. Yeah, underrated. 👊🏾
Love your vids, Can you do Big Krit, Stalley, French Montana, Pill (MMG), Waka Flocka Flame and more guys from the early 2010s era.
Big Krit and Stalley are the only good ones. The rest you named were complete garbage from the start.. 😂😂😂
Waka Flocka had hits, made $30M in the rap game and bounced.
@@Polostar79 right dude is a geek
Camp Lo gonna be next, along with Nappy Roots
@stuntedgrowthmusic do all city next
That song they had with Pharrell was🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
He stunted his own growth by going on love and hip hop
Fax. That sunk him in a deeper hole
Well. At least he’s the host of a big series called Cheaters
@MrYUNGT92 and then the son fell off not long after
This is why Tracklib is great service for music producers who sample
Camp lo
Faxts plus tax
These guys were basically a one hit wonder but that Deja Vu tune was so fuckin' huge. Weird how abrupt things fell off for them. Bummer!
Saw these two in person in Miami, at a label I was associated with at the time.
They had a good album!!
Yo you should do Group Home if you haven't already
You should do Audio Push. Not sure if you heard of then but they were with Hit Boy after he made Niggas in Paris
This is one of the reasons I was always against sampling. In theory, it's a great concept to latch on due to its accessibility to rhythms. But if you encounter the Steely Dan's of the world, it's a nightmare dealing with it. This is one thing I can say about this generation. No matter how much those beats sound so similar to one another, at least they don't sample. On the other hand, sampling has created some of the greatest albums and songs in hip hop period.
Yea you are right but most of the new age rap or pop is heavily copied though and the 🎨 do t really say or do nothing because they give them a pass one of the reasons I don't listen to none of the new iiiish at all
That’s why you always have to flip your samples in a way that’s impossible to be spotted and made out
I think you can take it deeper than that personally I think it’s an abusive hatred and exploitation of young black people in a genre they know nothing about. They derailed their careers and at the same time made money a win win for them
Always been against sampling, better when create 100 percent own from scratch, so own sole ownership.
@@DonTheking Agree with that way. When change a sound enough, no longer isn't the same sound. Now when take a specific sound like this or ice ice baby for example that is stealing in my opinion.
Lesson: Don't let one major L kill your career.
Peter Gunz when he was with Dj Quik was unexpected but 🔥
Lol at Donald Fagen singing the hook to "Deja Vu"... I love Steely Dan as this track got me into them but they did Tariq & Peter so dirty with the publishing for that "Black Cow" sample
I giggled at that part. He seemed proud while singing it.
Im not gonna lie being from the south Bronx I never knew this, this is odee they basically wrote a plaque for these dudes that's crazy industry is a money grabbing leech, this shows me I have to fully own my art moving forward.
Facts.
Not gonna lie, y'all have low standards in music - they're not even close to the best from the Bronx
@@seewhativescene that's your opinion dun I'm not even talking best or worse in any reference so idk what u talking bout
Have you done one on Das EFX before?
Stunted Growth New Boyz, these were the 2009 version of Rae Sremmurd
That deal was robbery. The older clan took full advantage.
i remember one of my boys did a show in nyc w/ the gunnrunnerz in '93(?)-'94, they had alot good mc's w/ them there was a girl in the group too, she was good ppls(wish i could remember her name) peter wasn't there that night. but i had always remembered how horribly bad that deal was
This reminds me of "Breathe" by Fabolous; the sample didn't cleared and all Publishing was kept by the original creator.
Speaking of samples changing careers...How about a video on pharoahe monch ? Simon Says was a underground hit that was later used in multiple movies and commercials. If a $14,000 payment was made to clear the Gojira Tai Mosura by Akira Ifukube sample. Maybe Rawkus Records would still be around today.
Not really sure about Peter Gunz outside of reality tv but Lord Tariq still makes music he was on Money Boss Players album last year.
They actually did an album as the Gunnrunners back in the day called Gunnrunners. Go check it out. It's on here.
I used to have this CD when I was twelve lol.
You should do Camp Lo next.
That was one of the first hip hop songs I got into when I was a lil kid I remember when it came out. I was listening to shit like big pun jayz mase dmx etc.and Pac n Big of course lol
That’s what happened to Juice WRLD when it came to his song Lucid Dreams. Sting owns 85% of that song
I didn’t know this
@@derronmarshall3349 You don’t remember that?! I do. He sampled that song for his song and Sting sued him for the sample
Gotta pay to play
Nas sampled that beat too
@@nuyorican91st yep, the message. Carl Thomas also sampled it in his song, Emotional. Idk why in the world juice wouldn't have made sure that was cleared.
Won't be surprised if Corey gunz is behind of few of these hip hop pens nowadays he was 🔥🔥🔥
Cory Gunz Murdered 6 foot 7 foot with the sample Day-0/ The Banana Boat Song..
📠
Need one on Sporty Thievs
Do Killa Army next
As someone who is biracial (3/4 black and 1/4 white, to be precise; although, Obama still looks more black than me, so I identify more with biracial), I thought it was so cool how we had three hip-hip duos containing a black man and biracial man (coincidentally, all three of the biracial men have white mothers):
*1.* Kid 'N Play
*2.* Kris Kross
*3.* Lord Tariq & Peter Gunz
On top of that, exactly half of the individuals' first names are "Chris":
*1.* Chris "Kid" Reid
*2.* Chris "Play" Martin
*3.* Chris "Daddy Mack" Smith.
It wasn't until Mack Daddy died, that I realized his government name was James "Chris" Kelly.
Can you please do a stunted growth on Mac of No Limits...
You should do mad skillz
That’s just how it goes in the industry. If you want to use samples you have to clear them. It’s like putting your hand in fire after watching the last person jump in and burn alive.
You should make an episode for Brotha Lynch and First degree the D.E.
OWNED! 😂
can you do a video on camp lo?