351 Windsor - What You Need to Know About the Ford 351w Small Block [5.8 Liter]
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- The 351 Windsor, or 351w for short, is one of the greatest engines Ford Motor Company ever produced. I’ve done a lot of research on the 351 SBF in preparation for doing an engine swap into the Bullnose, and this video is the culmination of everything I’ve learned. I’ve included year and vehicle charts so you can see which vehicles of which years carried the 351 Windsor block and which block years had which features.
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
0:00:00 Introduction
0:00:36 Meet the Donor
0:01:32 What is a 351 Windsor?
0:02:50 Stats and Measurements
0:04:19 351 Windsor History
0:06:23 351 Year/Feature Chart
0:06:38 351 Vehicle Chart
0:06:56 Ford Casting Numbers
0:07:47 351 Windsor vs Cleveland vs Modified vs HO
0:09:08 351 Windsor vs 302 Windsor
0:10:36 Performance Considerations
0:12:35 Why I chose a 351 Windsor
0:13:41 More About the Donor
0:15:00 Engine Inspection
0:17:00 Conclusion
Did you know that blocks made before 1974 had more material in the casting, so they’re actually stronger? The deck height isn’t the same for all years of 351 Windsor either. Some later blocks also allow for the use of roller cams instead of flat tappet. Do you know the difference between a 351 Windsor, a 351 Cleveland, a 351 Modified, or a 351 HO? In the battle of 351 Windsor Vs 351 Cleveland, why should you pick the Windsor even though the Cleveland is a more powerful engine?
This video goes into all that and even more. I hope you find the information as useful as I have, and I hope the video helps put everything into one place so you don’t need to go digging for this information. All the same information is also available on my website at bullnosegarage.com/index.php/....
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Wanted to make a note that I misspoke when I talked about the casting number for the C90E block at 07:05. The C90E block is built in the 60's (69) and not the 70's, so C9 castings are 69 castings not 79 castings. D Blocks are 70's, E blocks are 80's, and F blocks are 90's.
You had me confused there because Iam pretty sure Ford began date coding engine blocks around 1940.I had to pause the video and scratch my head lol.
Add 1997 F250-HD OBS had 351w 5.8L for service/utility companies. I have one myself, so for had 2 body styles in 1997 and Ford applied fixes for many known issues (TSB's).
Don't think 351W ever had over 10:1 compression ratio... if even quite that high... lowest about 7.6:1 actually...
Prolly over 300 grossHP in later Mustang Cobras...
There were 4 351's... the Ford '352' was also a 351" with same bore and stroke as others...
I was thinking the same thing
@@BuzzLOLOL 352 is same bore and stroke 4x3.5 but is big block FE family 332 to 428 only. Hard to find parts for now.
Nice breakdown of the Ford small blocks! In 1973, after saving every penny earned for like 5 years, and with some help from the old man I purchased my first car. A slightly used 1970 Mach 1 Mustang. It came with the 351 W 2bbl and an FMX automatic. I modded it with 3.91 rear gears, headers, dual exhaust, an Offy aluminum dual plane intake with a 600 CFM 4 bbl plus a recurved distributor. It ran a best of about 14.6 in the 1/4 mile (slow). I gave up on modding it when I roll raced a buddy in his 1972 Mach 1 (heavier) with a bone stock 351 Cleveland automatic. Our race was dead nuts even which was extremely discouraging! The problem was that back then, the 351W was seen as the poor, ugly stepsister to the Cleveland and as such got no love. Aftermarket support for the Windsor was almost none existent. No aftermarket heads, very few cams, etc. Everyone thought the Windsor block was weak due to it’s 2 bolt mains. (I also couldn’t even get a shift kit for the FMX). That all changed when Ford discontinued domestic production of the Cleveland and went forward in production with the Windsor engine family. Only the (lucky) Aussies continued to get the Cleveland as far as I know. When the Fox Mustangs hit the US in the late 1970’s through the 80’s the car became the favorite car to mod for young hot rodders. And guess what they discovered? They could bolt 351W heads onto their 302’s and eventually many just transplanted 351W’s that were plentiful at junk yards. And voila! Suddenly demand for 351W speed parts was born and the rest, as they is history!
Adding 351W heads to a 289 or 302 became a common modification as soon as the 351W came out. The 351W head, though, had an extra bolt hole that was unused on a 289 block. There were also stepped head bolts available for this modification.
It was actually the 5.0 engines that helped give the 351W a big push. The 5.0 is actually the most modified engine today. Heads, cams and many other performance parts also fit the 351W. Even the firing order is now the same. And then people started stroking engines to get big block cubic inches.
@@rongreen7308Only the 5.0 HO motor has the same firing order as the 351 Windsor because they run a 351 Windsor camshaft
These are great engines. I have one in my 95 E350 work van. 300k on the original 351w. Still runs very strong without any issues!
Thank you for the rundown on the 351W as it was very informative !
Great video. Looking forward to watching your progress
New subscriber. Its awesome that I cam sit through a video thats 15 minutes long without having to watch 30 minutes of commercials!
Exactly my thought, and this video is just epic in terms of great quality info and just a sincere way of hosting, keep it up!
Im really impressed, excellent video, best video on the 351 W you really put out a high quality effort and your a nice guy !
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!! You really helped a viewer from brazil!
That was one of the best videos I've ever seen. I learned so much. You have quite a talent for narration.
Thank you so so much I really appreciate your channel and this video especially as I’m trying to get a 70’s f100 back on the road and I love the 351w that came out of my 80’ f-150
Hi Ed, I have watched your video several times. Very well explained. I really like your wy of making these videos. Humble but backed up by solid research. Kudos :)
I had both of them, Cleveland and Windsor, loved them both.
Love the video man. I own a 1993 f150 flairside. I have a 351. And you just told me a whole lot I didn't know about it. I appreciate that and your time. Thank you💯
Thank you for all your hard work! Now I know a lot more than I did! I have a 94 Ford Lightning with the 351w! This is awesome Thanks for looking all of this up so I dont have to!
Nice job dude. Keep em coming.
awesome! Thanks for the great info! Can't wait to see more of your progress. I just bought an 86 F250 with a 351w
Great video. Thanks for all the info. I just bought a 1993 F250 with a 351 Windsor (only 75k miles) and i needed to learn a little bit about the motor. This video told me all that I wanted to know. Great stuff. I definitely "like & subscribe".
As a previous Ford Engine builder I can say you’re spot on!
Very well researched and produced. I have been wrenching on my 1992 for a number of weeks now and have a greater respect after seeing your explanations and charting.
Thank you.
I have a 351 Windsor in my 79 F100. I was looking for a video that would give me more information about the motor and you delivered exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.great video.
Thank you for the 351 break-down ! you saved e a ton of time on research sir.
Very Nicely created video and nice to watch... kudos... I actually build my hotrods with the marine block due to the thicker casting.
Great video mate! Very worthwhile🤙🏼😊
Thank you for sharing so much useful information. Good luck with build.
Thanks for your study and work to find information on this motor
You’ve got a fantastic delivery. A real pro presenter.
This was immensely helpful. I have a 96 F150 with a 351W. And now I know what cams I can use, heads and parts. Thank you
New subscriber just watched your intro the sounds and the work that goes in makes this a great channel thanks for all your effort
Can't wait to watch you do the build I'm doing the same thing in my bullnose 4x4
great video mate - Merry Christmas from the UK
Thanks for the info! I just bought a 89 with the inline 4.9 and also looking to do a 351w carbureted swap. Keep us posted please
Thanks for being thorough and descriptive. My dad passed me down a 1970 mustang coupe 351W and im trying to figure out how to restore it and get it running but I know nothing about cars and barely have money, this video helped.
Very good job of describing the Windsor and its Ford Roots, I did catch the screw up on the casting numbers but over all you did your homework, I am glad you did not mention Nichole used in blocks because there was not any of that metal used, I am going to refer people to watch your video so they can learn more about the Windsor.
Awesome down to Earth presentation.
Thank you!
And thank you UA-cam for bringing this video and your channel my way.
Very informative.
I'm a new Subscriber
Great video! Lots of useful Information brotha!
Incredible information which assures me on what I own currently driving former surveillance van 1988 Ford e150 with 351 windsor which I plan to maintain forever
Great video and quiet informative.
Nice work, good presentation.
Very good video! Great production. A lot of talent here.
Great information, well done!👍👍👍👍👍👍
Fantastic video bud Great Job!!!
You sir... are a research nerd.
And I couldn't live it anymore!!!
Great video
Had a 1974 mercury montego with the 351w. Great running car for years.
Thanks BNG. Really love the info provided and learned a lot. Had my pen and paper writing stuff down. I want to do a 429/460 big block swap to a 351W this winter. Going to a 408 stroker. Don't think finding a 69-71 block is going to easy, most likely next to impossible. So the roller F block will be just fine for my build. Looking for no more then 600 hp. Thanks for sharing. Cheers from Motown/Dearborn.
I've been blessed enough to receive a 67' 289 mustang with a 351 already swapped into it. With the aftermarket exhaust it sounds pretty unique. Stoked to start wrenching on it.
great video ! very informative
Very informative Thank You!!
Great video. Good luck.
Two things to mention.
The 351M has a bigblock bell housing pattern, but the Cleveland not necessarily (though there were FMX)
The number you show on the block is an _engineering number_ . It shows when it was designed and what vehicle it was _designed_ for.
High nickel early blocks were much tougher metallurgy.
You saved on buying roller lifters, but you get to spend on a carb, intake, ignition system, and possibly a forward rotation water pump.
I'm really enjoying finding your channel. :-)
I too am restoring an 85 Bullnose.. I went with a 5.0 Summit Racing with Holley Sniper EFI and C6 transmission.. Looking forward to progress on your built
This is an awesome video. Thank you so much
Thanks for this video. I just bought a 1979 150 ranger 4wd. Came with the 300 v6. Trans, transfer case and axles were gone. Leaving me with the the easy decision to build back 2 wd and high hp like I always wanted anyway. If all 4wd stuff was there I would’ve most likely went back that way but HIGH HP, HERE WE COME! I’m going to look at a engine this eve that has been called all 3 versions of the 351 by different people. This video helps dramatically and should help me easily figure out what it is. It came if a f800 with a 4 speed. Someone added a Holley 4 bbl carb to it also so I’m very excited to see what it is. Def got my subscription and most likely will be posting a lot of questions for you and anyone else that can help me. I’m more familiar with newer engines and mostly fox body mustangs and a big fan of the 302 5.0. Heading into new terrain with this build but excited! Again, thanks!
Hi comment from New Zealand awesome video keep it up, hope you put another video up while building your new motor. Cheers
Great video!!!! Love the 351w
Awesome review guy, still have mine was in a 78 Ltd II, friend from high school raced me with his built 305 in his el camino, he couldn't keep up,lol. Not sure what he had for a transmission but mine was that highway geared fmx, my engine was also bone stock two barrel, his was four barreled and had a high compression cam set up. These windsors are amazing!
My friend and I did this exact swap in 98’ high school. Took a 84’ H.O out of a rotted 2 by long bed and installed it in a 85’ step side 4by headers intake carb ignition, this truck flew it was the stang of trucks was a stick also very fast! Dud take more cross referencing than you would think but was worth it . It is much easier to swap a 350 into a square body but it was an awesome truck.
Thanks for this man!
You just gained a new sub. Besides the content which is great..I’ve got a 70 F100 and I’m rebuilding a 460 I got for it my first time as well...the production quality is great. Really enjoyed this
That 460 wants a roller cam and some light pistons. It will last forever. Same goes for a stock gm 454. Those stock pistons are heavy! My buddy blew up his dads farm truck 460 doing 140 going back and forth to L.A. from Camarillo so he could get acid back in high school. It was so loud and intimidating, one rev and necks snapped to look, lol. Stock build or it would've taken the high piston speed abuse. Have fun!
@@shedred1967 good to know thanks for the info. 👍🏻
Thanks for the vid! This engine is often overlooked. I've owned a few of them and had zero reliability issues. I just replaced the timing chain at about 80,000 miles as preventative maintenance.
I disagree with it being "overlooked". It's the go-to SBF for performance applications because dollar-for-dollar, you get more HP (and more potential HP) without spending any more money than you'd spend on a 302. Free HP is always a good thing.
I have a line on an extremely clean 95. From what I’ve heard the original 351W auto has been converted to a manual transmission by the previous owner. I can’t wait to see it in person.
turly knowledgable. thank for making that video an sharing. i have the 95 351 w in my truck an wouldn't want anything else
I’ve been a blue oval guy most of my 35 years in the field of auto repair!
Ford Heavy line tech and performance guru!
Your info was pretty much spot on! Just a couple things that were slightly off but no big deal!
I put a mild 360 hp 375 ft lbs 351 w in a 1986 thunderbird turbo coupe. T-5 world-class transmission and 3.73 track loc disc brake diff. That car was brilliant.
very informative video! I just got a 77 351W
That was really interesting thanks
I just cant imagine in 18min, you are going to tell me everything i ever wanted to know.
Great video, really enjoyed it. Good luck on your build. New sub.
Good Job on this video.
The firing order for the 351 is also used in the late model 302/5.0 HO for the foxbody
Awesome video
I have this engine in my 1995 E-150 Econoline. It's still humming along. Thanks for putting this video together.
Still going strong?
@@richguev Unfortunately I'm having transmission problems. The engine however is fine.
Amazing. Wow . a huge amount of information
GREAT JOB on collecting all this information! I have a few of these. My favorite is a 302 that has been thru two fires, and overheated severely two times due to radiator hose failures. Its a 33 year old motor and is still the best running block I've ever owned.
Yea I have an 88 f150 with a 302 and the thing has almost 300k miles on it and won't die. One of fords best engines for sure.
I TRIED to blow one up in my car ( had a fresh one all ready to go) ... I COULD NOT make it blow !!
Cool video just bought a 94 F150 with 351 in it according to vin on body.Will check the block tomorrow.
Good information really good information in this block about in this blog about the 302 in the 351 in the 351 Cleveland and the differences
Thank you for the break down
Wrecking yards have bike full of things that can be swapped for other things. Like a 351M or 400M for a 351W. The Windsor is a better design that the Modified or Cleveland, except the heads. You can take the heads off of a Modified engine and install them on a Windsor. To do that you’ll have to relocate the cool and transfer and plug they old holes. They also take different intake manifolds.
For the 351w or 352/400M heads there are special adapters that will allow the use of 302 bolts. If you don’t. Use those along with the conversion intake manifold and water port change and you’re set. But the 351/400m Heads have large open fcombustion chambers and require a special piston design to work with them. Any head will bolt one of course, but the smaller combustion is better for several reasons, the biggest of them are that the open chambered heads lowers the compression and it is more prone to dieseling because of that. Putting Cleveland heads on a Windsor is called making a Clever engine, and the special parts can be ordered for that. Good luck and have fun blowing all those bow ties away!
Also, it was once a common swap to install a 400 crankshaft into a 351W, creating a 400 cid Windsor. The snout of the crankshaft had to be machined slightly, though. This modification gained the larger displacement, while shedding the weight and external dimensions of the 400M.
Great video...Thanks for sharing...
Very cool. Just pulled out a locked up 351w out of an 87 bronco and put together a roller 351w out of a 96 van to put back in.
Good video bro, thanks!
Great work on the knowledge of the venerable 351 Windsor. Had one in an E250 van. Super tough and strong engine. Just to clarify, the 400(M) engine is a stroked Cleveland, 4" bore and 4 " stroke. The 351(M) is the tall deck 400(M) block with the 351 crank. They are still small blocks and will build killer fast and strong engines
That info is not correct at all! The 400 came out in 71 and the 351m after that as a destroked version of the 400. The 400 is not called “M” as reference..only the 351m because ford had 3 different 351 ci motors at the time and the “M” was a modified version of the 400.
The Cleveland is a shorter deck height than the 351m/400 and has the big block bell vs the Cleveland having the small block bell.
Only a few things are interchangeable between the Cleveland and the 351m/400 engines.
The 351m/400 is considered a big block because it shares the big block bell housing pattern with the 429/460 engine.
My last Windsor was a 96 f250 4x4. Running machine with 4.10 gears and factory c6 transmission.
Ford blue thru and thru !!!
Henry would be proud of you !! All the best to you and yours Sir.
My current summer daily is my 94 Ford E150 5.8L 351 Windsor with the E4OD. I love my van.
already learned more about windsors 4 mins into your video and mines not even a 351 its a 302. u helped convince me to stay at 302
I've got one of the blocks designed for roller cam, but has the flats - summer 93 production. Tough SOB! 300 thousand original miles and still going.
Nice Vidya on the evolution of the Windsor and what all they came in - thanks. Now im better prepared to go to the junk yard..
Good job on video. Thank you!
Good work
great video maybe the best way to get familiar with a 351.
Great video, great truck , they are my favorite. Things to be aware of, dont let anyone tell you that you dont need the flex plate , the starter needs it mostly for support so it doesn't uneveny wear out your teeth on the starter and flywheel. And the fan shroud , it needs that to for making sure the air flows through to the engine .
@Cam montreuil engines yup thanks for that correction 👍
Great video. I have a D0OE 351W with C9OE heads swapped in my 65 Mustang. The 400/351M and 351C are small block v8s. They share the same bore spacing and head bolt pattern as the 289/302/351W. The 400/351M are tall deck 351Cs the same as a 351W is a tall deck 302. The confusion lies in that most but not all 400/351Ms had the 385 bellhousing pattern. This was due to Ford ending production of the 390/360 FE motors for truck use and replacing them with the 400/351M.
and there are some clevelands that have both windsor and big block bolt patterns on the back of the motor at the same time
@@merc-ni7hy yes, some of the 73 400 blocks had the SBF bolt pattern and were equipped with the FMX transmission.
351M 400 motors have a large bell housing bolt pattern and the deck heights are an inch taller than a 351 Cleveland whereas the Cleveland will bolt up to any small black bell housing and has always been considered a small block in the performance realm.
Small Block / Big Block is Chevy stuff. Ford has their OWN engine families and even Ford themselves doesn't consider them "small or big" . The only true "Windsor" is the 351. There is no such thing as a "302 Windsor" or a "289 Windsor" even though they share many parts and a share a basic design.
you re a great man, greetings from turkey.
Buying my second truck a 1990 ford f150 short bed 4x4 with the 351W 4speed manual swaped. you took the guess work out of which engine was in there and i thank you for posting this
Great video. I have the original 351W in my 69 Mach. Love the motor. Very durable and plenty of torque. After doing some bolt on upgrades, I decided that I want to preserve this engine and get a 427 SB to replace it.
You talking the sbf 427? That's a beast of an engine but the cost for a crate motor you can get a 5.0 aluminator block and get more gains. Though it is efi.
I had a '69 Mach 1 w/the 351w, in '74. I was 18 yrs old and thrilled to death.
That car would Haul Ass!!
Nice one... presented well and informative.. Sub added
Very informative as I have a 74 block and know more about it and I have gt40 heads for my build should be a good street motor. Good luck with your build interested in what route you go with yours.
Thanks for all the info mine came out of a 69 Ranchero and going into a 37 pickup
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Are you sure it's not a Cleveland?