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Sam Harris criticizes Lex Fridman over Kanye West
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Screw Sam Harris... Lex, stay true on your empathy philosophy.
Sam clearly has a dog in this fight as he is Jewish and was triggered by someone expressing their disdain for jews... forgetting that the jewish community has the nerve to insist that they are the 'chosen ones' based on the ridiculous claim that God himself told them so, while criticizing Kanye for claiming to be a creative genius. (I would ask Sam as a jew, who is more delusional and egocentric, when you believe your own press (the bible) and for thousands of years push the self serving agenda that God himself decided that of all the people on the planet, that the jews are the 'chosen ones' and in the process offending everyone else by labeling them as inferior... one would have to ask who is the 'asshole' that needs to rethink WHY they have been hated for centuries, by so many, all over the world.
Sam should regret being a dumb smart person.
Lex demonstrated a much higher level of wisdom. Sam... just proved he’s a pompous ass.
Sam’s a Nepo Baby
Sam's idea of not speaking openly with people like Kanye clearly has never worked. Keep doing what you do Lex
Did Lex’s approach with Kanye work?
@@fikaenthusiast177 We don't know because we experience the timeline where Lex had this approach, it could have been way worse
Depends on your definition of worked is. If ya mean Kanye West is speaking the truth and it's good when he says it, well you would be a Nazi. If you mean it's good Kanye gets to talk because free speech good, but his ideas get shot down by logic and Kanye can change his mind, well it's just a lost cause at this point.
@@fikaenthusiast177 no not really he wanted a apology and no more talking about it Kanye did say if he did give the best it wouldn’t be good enough
it worked for centuries... letting morons having colossus sized pedestals is an extremely modern invention
Lex's interview was 1000x better than any of the other interviews/coverage of Kanye. Lex was the only person who treated Kanye as a person. Lex both helped Kanye elaborate and explain his positions, as well as challenging them.
Alex Jones and Gavin McInnes did it way better
He gaslighted him though Kanye asked for help lex said I will then backtracks then says I don’t know anything about the situation you are in then when Kanye says what should I do lex was concerned of not getting a black man to apologize Kanye wanted to talk about black issues or issues that impact them more 😅
It's sad how low Harris has become. The dude smells his own farts after thousands call him an intellectual for saying nothing except slow, verbose word salad.
He did not challenge him you’re full of it. Was super weak and went all over the place.
@@lalook2664 What the hell did I just read? What's a comma?
God I love when two people let each other finish what they’re saying
Thank you
i've always said Sam's achilles heal is that he believes he can win the world with intellectual arguments. he can reason with the best of them, but he's got nothing for anyone when it comes to their emotional nature, and doesn't believe in a spiritual nature. You have to reach people on all levels of their humanity to actually inspire transformation. That's what Lex is talking about. If you want people to understand your message, then fine, make your intellectual appeal only. If you want them to accept your message, you'd better start figuring out how navigate the issues going on in their heart
That would be great if Sam would actually use sound, reliable, consistent intellectual arguments and ideas. He's a fraud.
In your "opinion". I disagree with you.
@@vipersb1 cool
@@nans787 from Sam's book "Waking Up": "Our minds are all we have. They are all we have ever had. And they are all we can offer others." Sam seeks to remove spirituality and human connection from the institution of religion, and place it within the mind of the individual. Meaning any "spiritual nature" one has is merely a construct of their own mind, and to his credit, he doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Rather he believes that each person should construct their own mind in such a way as to benefit their spiritual and natural well being...Sam and I just have different views on the origin of the human spirit. i believe our spiritual nature transcends the capacity of our own minds; that your individual consciousness is not the sun that your entire existence revolves around. there's more to us than that, like dark matter in space. we don't know what it is, but we know that it's there, and that it actually makes up most of what's there. and the people who know how to appeal to that intangible, nearly undefinable departments of human nature...they are the ones who change the world for better or worse, because they can. everyone else is just debating. but i do think sam's voice is extremely valuable and am glad that you were able to find such utility in his work
I haven't read all comments here, but this is the best comment so far. I like Sam Harris but I don't agree with all of his cut&dry beliefs.
Lex is young and doesn't have the years of insight that Sam has but he does speak well for his generation - a generation of young people who in general have a good basis of empathy and equality.....and that goes for the people who struggle with mental health.
I have this horrible feeling Sam didn’t hear anything Lex said
I feel like Sam listens only to respond in most interactions.
Sam dates Sam, only talks about Sam, and feels Sam. Then uses his massive ego given by brain-dead fans to tell you either something obvious or irrelevant. Dude has zero morals, only a bulletin list.
@@GoodBaadUgly haha one of those people. More than anything he loves setting the tone and narrative using his pace and cadence, he wishes he was slow mobius. And it works on most people. Big words, calm demeanor, he's great at it, and (relatively speaking) he's a super smart dude! But those things don't make him right all the time. Especially with people who can keep up, like Lex.
Sam isn't a good person. He likes for people to think he is, and he would do very evil things to make you believe his point of view. Sam thinks the pendulum will swing back his way, thus making him right in some way. He's just not a genuinely good person like Lex is.
@Roy Ronson we need to shower him with turned backs. He is useless to human progress.
Sam Harris on Kanye - "Trump is a really bad guy"
Dale Lane!!! Haha nailed it!!
Well you certainly missed the point.
@@enemyofthethrone got nuance?
@@enemyofthethrone or humor?
Where's the lie?
Com'on Lex, we all know you didn't do it for the "Love", you did it for the clicks!!!
sam harris calling kanye egotistical is the pot calling the kettle black
“90% of your audience is wrong”
-Sam Harris
He is an utter fool and has rightly been discredited and become obsolete
I agree with you. I couldn’t believe my eyes. What an arrogant narcissist. Why does he bother interviewing with others when he has all the answers and truth. He is exactly like a fundamental religious leader dictating dogma. I guess that’s why he dislikes them so much, they are his reflection in the mirror lol
But Sam is correct...hosting a guy who is probably in the midst of a mental breakdown on your super popular podcast is probably not the right decision. It's good that Sam is able to give this type of criticism to Lex directly.
More like, "Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, even when I don't have a firm stance on a topic."
@@alexcaminiti he has a firm stance on the topic… having Kanye on was wrong, all of the fans who said it was a good idea were wrong.
It helped nothing. It did NOT push the conversation in a more loving or humane way.
So… these commenters can’t believe their ears at how narcissistic and rude Sam is being
AND YET
… he was correct. Shouldn’t have done it.
Imma let you finish but Kanye interview was the greatest of all time.
Lolllll yeah
Nah
Fitting username
Vibez
A fish brain has ~100,000 neurons while an average human has ~90 billion neurons
We actually need to be careful saying “we need to be careful how we treat artists,” when there is an increasing number of self-proclaimed artists out there acting out in inexcusable ways simply because they know they can hide behind their so-called artistry. Playing the victim has become an art form in and of itself in lieu of being accountable for one's actions.
Totally agree, celebrities have such an elevated status these days we must hold them to account. If Christopher Hitchens were to spew unhinged rhetoric about producing rap music we wouldn't give him a pass.
That's a great way to think if you don't appreciate the artistic process.
I think what he argued for is that you can't convince an artist the same way you do an intellectual... You can't use reason or evidence... Artists think differently therefore should be dealt differently.
I don't think he believes that artists should have some special treatment in a moral sense.
@@mathiasrennochaves3533 Exactly, he isn't saying that everyone with an instagram page can say what they want. He is saying just like when talking to a child you must consider they have a unique perspective compared to an adult there are places where nuance should be considered.
wow...new thought to me...that makes a lot of sense..in how I feel about myself, to be clear. Very good insight.
No matter what my political views or religious views or lack of , I got much respect for two adults that can go straight to the problems they have with each other .
Nice hot take, no one cares
Yeah except this is exactly what Sam is arguing against.
@@codyquinn4954?
I am so tired of seeing comments like this. As if friendly convo's, and cordial debates on podcasts like this are extremely hard to come by. There are what seems like millions upon millions of hours of conversations just like this one on UA-cam ffs.
@@RommyAli actually if I remember it seemed like they actually had an issue, and other podcasts seem to be attacking someone else who not even there , katt Williams did it , tim pool does it , Patrick David guy does it a lot . At least these two keep it between them, if I remember, ain't watched it in awhile
Never go full condescending.
Sam is there now.
I think Sam suppresses a lot of his anger and it comes off as condescending. He might be calm on the outside, but I sense he is full of frustration on the inside. Mind and body are not in harmony.
It’s hard not to when the other person is dumb as sh*t
@@JADiaz10 who here is dumb?
@@slangsd Yeah I could see that!
@@slangsd He's one of those people who keeps it together in public and then loses his mind breaking things and yelling when he gets home
Sam calling someone else an asshole is rich
Well put, Geo. I would say it takes one to know one, but Sam's so far out of touch he deserves a trophy.
@@PHJoy kinda like Neil and Nye.
@@trainingrifle okay, yeah... there are a few contenders for the title
Lol...just commented he's a soft spoken A-Hole 😂😂😂
I view these two as an example of how we humans should interact and disagree. I literally don’t care who is right in this conversation, because the “right” answer is so much less important than being able to have an honest conversation and disagree with respect and kindness.
@@ginxxxxx So if Sam decided to waste his time talking to Kanye, everyone else would've changed their minds too and he wouldn't have lost 75% of his net worth?
In what realm do you come to the conclusion Kanye is 100 times better than Sam, you lack logic@@ginxxxxx
@@ginxxxxx You are just rambling and making no sense no offense
I didn't claim him, I also do not claim lunatic Ye, to claim Ye is better than anyone I find interesting.@@ginxxxxx
@@MavethTheReaper Easy. Sam thinks it's permissible to preemptively attack muslim countries and support Israel's genocide in Gaza, while Kanye doesn't.
15:50 To be fair, if you do define yourself as _the_ Chosen People, you can't expect *not* to have a storm coming.
Hopefully not violent.
I personally don't see it that way, yet it's worthwhile to look at it from others' perspectives and try to get at their resentment.
Jews don't go around thinking they are chosen or better then. Some do most do not
Lex trying to teach Sam how friendship works is fascinating
Sam hates blacks. He is a racist jew
Hitler had friends too.
@@Filthed False equivalency.
@@Filthed almost as wild as you having friends.
@@Filthed Hitler could have used a friend like Lex.
Hi Lex. One of the things I admire about you is that you trust your audience to critically evaluate guests / ideas. I do not believe it is your responsibility to carefully filter the information that us smooth brained plebeians are exposed to.
Sadly when you bring a lunatic's opinion oxygen and publicity it kicks the Overton window in his direction.
And Lex is a G for reading comments and ruminating on them.
Most people say "ignore those"
Lex knows his greatest growth comes from his biggest critics 💪
Keep at it brother!!!
Great point and so unlike most channels and news outlets
Great point!
It’s his responsibility to not platform people who espouse hate and antisemitism when he knows the climate is such that no amount of his “love and empathy” will override the behavior of certain loose cannons that follow Kanye’s words like gospel. It’s not how it’s perceived by Lex’s audience that’s concerning, but rather the minds of the dangerous and unstable few who feed off social media snippets of Kanye spouting off with impunity.
Didn’t know that Ben Stiller was such a philosopher
😭😭😭😭😭
As a black man growing up in PHILADELPHIA which has the largest population of black Muslims in America I can tell you that Sam is WAY off when talking about Jewish hate in black communities. Kids playing "knock out" is aimed at EVERYONE -- Not just orthodox Jews.
Sam misses the point. Lex knows what he’s doing. Keep on, Lex! We love you.
And now you are missing the point. Lex consistently let us know he doesn't know what he is doing but he is learning along the way and positions himself accordingly. Basically evolving as a person. He only has a fundamental pre-judgement and while he learns/understands, he shapes his own idea by talking and asking and questioning. That's the beauty of his identity.
@@denizgur you might think that I’m missing the point. I don’t.
I know Lex for many years now. He knows what he’s doing, despite having open mind and space for new ideas and experiences. That doesn’t mean he’s totally lost. Not in the least.
But I do agree that one of the beauty of his identity is his learning process.
There is no other channel like Lex’s. Sure every person is different and the contents people make on their channels are different. But there is something really special about Lex’s approach to conversation and dialog that differs from the rest.
He’s a special dude, and we should appreciate having someone like him in the social media sphere.
@@denizgur just like an AI robot
Actually, Eric Weinstein's theory has been disproven by Timothy Nguyen but Lex won't let Timothy speak on his bot cast, neither will Joe Rogan, something strange going on there.....
@@griffith500tvr is this a bot
Havnt watched Sam Harris in years, cheers for reminding me why I don't know.
you say "know" I say "now"
Me to mate, Trump really did break him.
@@garthkite Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing.
He’s a non religious Jew, that says it all
@@moreemetta I would say he created a whole set of dogmas of his own Pursued to their logical end, they ended up making him as obtuse as any religious nut he so despises. I'll take my religious dogmas over his secular, so called..."rational ones" whatever the hell they are. This dude's ability to think rationally on many important things is just GONE. Trump broke this "enlightened" intellectual. I find this quite funny and the irony just beautiful.
How altruistic of Lex that he gets to host Kanye in the middle of an antisemitic tirade, get millions of views and maintain a friendly relationship and access to Kanye, all in the name of teaching the audience to be compassionate and turning the other cheek. Please.
Sam actually saying Kanye is this and that.
When could use the same language about himself
Is Sam really lecturing Lex on how to navigate difficult conversations when he himself refuses to have any.
I can’t believe that I really admired Sam’s critical thinking and use of precise language at one point… it’s shocking how far he has fallen in my eyes. He is no longer an intellectual…
@@danwhiffen9235 I share your general frustration regarding Sam. I still view him as a public intellectual that frankly made many mistakes. Thats fine with me. What bothers me is his refusal to debate his critics. It's not about who is right or wrong or how much of the audience is persuaded. It's the simple fact that he refuses to engage them. I want these public intellectuals to debate each other like how UFC mixed martial artists fight. It's for us the audience to witness and come to our own conclusions. Instead of derp derp fart platforming bad!
@@cheflev9884 it seems to me that he refuses to argue with them probably because it would expose that he's not always in the right. Critical debate leads to the expulsion of poorly constructed ideas. I think he'd rather be comfortable in thinking he's right than getting closer to truth
@@Moises505130 I agree with you 💯! It’s ironic that all these years of Buddhist training and meditation lead to his dissolving of “free will” and not his ego
@@cheflev9884 agreed, that's why it's been so frustrating seeing him the way he has been these past few years. I guess we have to take it with a grain of salt
one issue with sam is that he always comes from the position that he has the answer and that he knows better... even on things that cannot be known.
Precisely. He’s insufferable
One issue with Lex is that he almost never comes from the position that he has the anwser and knows better, even on things he clearly does know better than say Joe Rogan or someone the succes of his podcast depends on!
They will both let Graham Hancock go on about ancient civilization and never say; I think that the fact you believe these ancient monolithic buildings were build using telekentic powers discredits you to the point were I don't think anyone needs to take you seriously, and I'm shocked by the fact that so many do!
Also known as having an opinion about something?
@@Georgious Graham Hancock has never said any such thing, you plonker
Sam Harris is 100% correct Kanye West ego gets in the way of his critical thinking, and he’s clearly not educated in those subjects to speak so eloquently.
I dont understand why the 3 possibilities are: mental illness, asshole, or both.
Why is there no possibility that there was merits to what he said? Why cant that even be considered as a 4th option?
Harris is working from the premise that rational, reasonable “anti-Semitism” is not possible, i.e., it is inherently irrational and/or “evil.”
11:00 “delusionally egocentric” this whole section was dripping with irony
Amen
How though?
Are you claiming Sam is delusionally egocentric and, if so, why?
@6:10 to 6:20
Perfect. Sam Harris summarized. Crated a set of options where he's right. Made it look like choice. Left out other choices.
Then denied the possibility that he could be wrong using language that exposed his subconscious. While lex opened the possibility and had a laugh, self deprecating and funny.
Thank you Lex! Keep at it.
Perfect summation. And very fair. Much more fair than am ever am I when forming critiques of Sam
@The Wandering M what's wild is that he's kind of the internet authority on ego death and free will not existing.
Yet his own ego is wild. Almost like he's a Shang Tsung of other's egos. Goes to debate and collect their egos, whines and "refuses to entertain" arguments, people, and religions he deems to be unworthy of his time. Like a child playing games who only wants to win to feed their own ego.
Establishing FRAME ...sort of thing?
Sam is right here though. You can't compare Sam Harris with Kanye west and the things that Kanye had said about people versus what Sam had said about people. This "people are just the same side of the coin" bullshit is what gets people like Trump, and now possibly God forbid, Kanye, into office.
Except he's exactly right though. You can be mad about it but it doesn't change that fact.
Thank you Sam for calling out kanye. Dude is 100% gone.
I’m not Jewish, however I’ve never really understood antisemitism. It truly baffles me.
Lex had the balls to post this.
W
Lex absolutely has balls.
But since when does it take balls to post a video where you're obviously right and the other guy isn't? Hah 😅
Sam spends a lot of time talking about empathy and compassion without being empathetic or compassionate
Empathy and compassion towards people he agrees with.
Hitler was inconsolable for several days after mussolini's death.
🎯
Sam is an intellectual virtue signaler. He says all the right things but he doesn’t actually live by the things he says.
Thus why a Kanye wouldn't go and speak with him... he would never get the opportunity to be his self and in all honesty I doubt he would take on that interview out of fear. This man is tough only when pillows are involved. I imagine he screams at his wife and turns red when doing so.
I strongly disagree. While Harris speaks with a very measured tone and he carefully chooses his words, it may sound very dry, but his intention is certainly the kind of love that Lex is looking for. Harris discussed all the options for dealing with West, and it certainly sounded compassionate to me.
Sam Harris is basically saying Daryl Davis (the black man who befriended KK k members and got over 200 to quit) was wrong and should never have done what he's done. And the peaceful, treat everyone with respect approach has been one of the most powerful methods mankind has
But Sam has the right to not talk to assholes and anti Semites. He's not required to engage with them.
Sam Harris is like the intellectual voice inside of my head. Every time he talks I'm always feeling like "ah yes, what the smartest side of me has to say." He is so sensical and seemingly so often spot on...lotta respect to that guy 🤙🏻
Eww not even close. Sam is the one with the mental illness Lol
Same here. I only wish I could be so articulate.
@@2002honda954 I'm so happy someone else understands what I'm saying. My thoughts think as Sam Harris says. I'm not near as good as him at articulating those thoughts however. It's cool you understand me on that level and have the same dilemma so to speak.
Sam is criticizing Lex for having on Ye when the same criticism could be said of Lex for having on Sam
Wrong.
Good old Sam Harris. Very quick to personally attack or criticise people, but he himself has the thinnest skin when someone criticises him.
He does have thin skin, but he's right on this discussion with Kanye. Instead of attacking sam, why don't you attack his argument?
Sam Harris doesn't have the full scope of the extension of influence that Kanye West has spread in the contemporary global culture.
I don't like Sam positioning himself as a victim to anti-semtitism. That's being intellectually dishonest in my opinion. If I am an atheist, why would it hurt my feelings if someone mocks the religion I was born into?
I guess you have no problem with bigotry in the world. Good to know.
Sam Harris has gotten so arrogant, I love how Sam Harris can say “he’s not who he thinks he is” in the same breath as “I have never met or spoken to him, so I can’t say I know him”
Keep going Lex, Sam is clearly internally flustered.
You don’t have to have meet Kanye to say he’s not “Shakespeare in the flesh” tho
The problem with Sam is that he believes that the audience is stupid and needs his protection. Have you thought of the people that are listening to lex and his guests may well be educated like myself. Sam is being overly arrogant in my opinion as much as I like him.
"Sam is being overly arrogant in my opinion..." I totally agree!
Sad part is that Sam's arrogance seems to be ramping up over the years. I was a fan of his years ago, but he has gone pretty far off the deep end and is very much an elitist now.
💯, the truth is just too daunting for my right wing snowflake brothers and sisters, he's gotta tone down the truth, and do what Tucker does, and manipulate it, like how he feels about Cptn Bonespurs, how he passionately hates to love the cult leader 😂
Thank God for people who see it too. He keeps slipping on Kanye too. Calling out other's ego problems instead of his own.
Hard to be humble when you stunting on the jumbotron. Ye may be unstable, but he's also richer, more famous, and more loved than Sam. All the things that Sam values I'm sure. Of course he's going to have a bigger ego.
And. One's. Ability. To. Be. Monotone. Does not equate to, being correct.
If you don't slow down and meet Sam at his level of sedation and come into his world, he thinks you're wrong because you're the one who broke stoic character.
Arrogance has become his defining trait.
Why can't we have politicians like these two who can actually sit down and discuss respectfully and intelligently like human beings?
because they dont win. and most probably when they do the "normal" ones destroy them
If Lex was actually concerned about hearing Kanye out and attempting to persuade him that his thinking is flawed, then he would have done it in private. The only reason Lex had him on was for a boost in views and subscribers, which fair enough that's a legit business move, but let's not pretend he had Kanye on for any other reason than that.
Correct
I love lamp
Sam thinks the rest of us are morons and can’t make decisions ourselves. He has to think for us.
It's what happens when you're a devout evangelical atheist. You worship yourself.
Dude says in this interview, "oh this may sound, elitist". No shit Sam, you are the elitist
Yes, he does. Sad part is he is really the moron. He is also a weak and scared little man.
@@snakejazz Just like most public "atheists," they have the same background. Almost every mainstream atheist like Pinkerton, Harris and Laurence Krauss come from the same group of people who will gladly attack Christianity (and sometimes Islam) but seem to never criticise another Abrahamic religion. I don't know how people can't see the patterns and fall for these grifters.
@@snakejazzExactly.
The problem with sam is he fails to see his very own cognitive biases, he accuses others of not seeing.
He is great in dodge ball
Like which ones?
@@scottstorchfan let’s try his views on Trump for starters 🤣😂. Sam Harris is the epitome of God making the self proclaimed WISE foolish. It’s very sad
@@cephas5053 half the world must be foolish by your logic then for their views on Trump. You are the EPITOME of FOOLISH.
@@cephas5053 "Hunter could have literally had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared." - Sam Harris
I agree with Sam in that people with mental illness shouldn’t be platformed for easy views when they’re clearly having a mental crisis. HOWEVER, out of everyone who interviewed him, lex did it best and came from a place of genuine good faith (as always). But in general, not a good idea to amplify someone’s mental health crisis to the world…
No we should be. It's actually teaching us how to recognize mental illness and also it's our free will to decide how we want to react to it
@@keanugardiner7738 this. OP has a point but Kanye is broadcasting his "mental illness" on his own anyways, Lex's interview is important because it brings Ye to the table for him to explain himself and let US decide. He made him comfortable to be open about what's been going on for better or for worse.
they only say he got mental health bc he says how he feels
After years of consuming his Content, one thing, I’ve definitely noticed about Sam Harris is he lacks humility and has a dark shadowy ego. Way to stand strong in defending your loving and empathetic approach Lex. God bless you
Oh, please. Harris is correct in suggesting one should call out assholes in a thoughtful, ethical manner.
Harris is insufferable, intellectually sluggish, and an egomaniac. I’ve never seen him make a cogent point against Peterson, Hitchens, Fridman, or anyone.
I didn’t notice a lack of humility or dark shadowy ego. Can you point to a timestamp to help me out?
Oh, please. God has NOTHING to do with this.
@@kurtshaw229The fact that he says there's only 3 possibilities, mental illness, being an asshole or both, without being in a position of authority for any of those things alludes to this. He says it in a matter of fact way when he should've put it across as his opinion. For someone who has been a part of countless debates and public speeches, it's hard to assume that it was a mistake.
Sam Harris seems full of himself.
With good reason.
@@cdavidlake2rarely is there a good reason.
because he is.
He believes he is right about everything.
He's one of the most insufferably arrogant people in the world.
@@scottydog9997 bingo
Sam believes in censorship. That scares me. Lex is civil in his pushback. That gives me hope.
Deciding who is and isn't worth allowing on your platform of millions of viewers isn't "censorship" . . . . . .
@@2FadeMusictelling someone else who and who not to have on their podcast is censorship. This is Lex Friedman's show, not Sam Harris's. Yet here he is trying to shame a grown man for having a public conversation with a grown man.
Sam Harris with real power would be a dangerous egotistical individual.
If Sam was in a position of power, he would probably approve mass censorship
Sam said the Kanye conversation wasn’t illuminating on Kanye’s views, I thought it was
I find Lex's interviews with these shunned members of society the most helpful. If they're evil or delusional, let them show it. If all I hear is that somebody is the worst, but I don't SEE what is so bad for myself, I'll never truly believe it, even if it's true. It's simple playground logic, but it still applies to the grown up world.
Most people are dumb and sheep tho and it's not that they don't see right from wrong, it's that they willingly ignore the wrong and use these kind of interviews as a platform to push their own agendas and narratives. There's a reason right wingers and conservatives have strongly used Joe Rogan's platform in the past and benefitted from it. People in the comments simply don't understand the psychology behind "allowing fair play" when it comes to interviews and the people we give a platform to speak. We share more responsibility than we think. Especially people like Lex and Joe Rogan.
Unfortunately, that logic doesn't work when people are putting forth uniquely harmful/insidious ideas, hence the example of Hitler.
Exactly this is why germs and other microscopic organism don't actually exist. I don't SEE them, therefor I don't need to wash my hands and can lick toilet bowls. Sure people say that they are bad. But I have never actually SEEN any germs, so they can't be bad for you.
Only when my kidneys rupture from enterococci overload will I then believe.
Sam Harris is the shady interview... not a standup guy.
You all seem to watch the videos but not listen.
Sam Harris streak of bad takes is outstanding.
Based takes*
what did he say he that was bad, genius?
@@firefly9838 yeah like that one where he said he wouldnt care if dead children were in the son of a public figures basement.
@@scottydog9997 someone is leaving out important context:) more ape Brains
@@firefly9838 Is that you Sam? You know it was wrong to say that!
Sam - Nobody is smarter than I think I am.
“Sunlight is the best disinfectant.” Words to live by, Sam…
UV light has disinfectant properties...................... this does not mean it's valid treatment for a virus which is hidden from the sun.
also Trump said even dumber shit such as "injecting people with disinfectant" as well as "exposing people to sunlight" which is retard science.
He also says no amount of sunlight stops a fire in fact if it’s focused sunlight you make the fire worse. Sometime water is the only response to a fire.
@@billbob6247 Sometimes water makes the fire worse, especially with a chemical (imbalance) fire. In that case you need to smother... wait... this is turning dark
Very disappointing from Sam Harris this clip.
@@timnelson3431 Is this a real life "you're both pretty" moment? lol ua-cam.com/video/lJUzP5akJi4/v-deo.html
"I'm going to do everyone a favor , and take the foot out of your mouth" ... followed by "I don't think the conversation should've been aired" is unfortunate and concerning from Sam . Very surprising that a man who holds himself in such a high regard is THAT anti-freedom of speech. No matter how you feel about it , everyone had the right to say it. If it is offensive or delusional, then you disregard it. People should be able to critically think for themselves and choose things that bring more light to life , that should ultimately be what we strive for , not controlling what is available.
Sam has really exposed himself as completely ego0centric and blind to his own failings. A trap wise sages don't fall into, and one he has sprung on himself.
He is an ethnosupremacist and he feels someone is questioning his superiority so all morals and reasoning no longer apply. He has the right to 'free speech' about the Muslims but not the other way around that's how that works.
He’s not arguing against free speech, Kanye is and forever will be free to speak his mind publicly in any way he can and Sam said nothing against that. Sam is criticizing the decision from Lex’s point of view to air the conversation with Kanye given the circumstances of what Kanye said and his current mental state. Sam is implying the responsibility that Lex has because of his large platform, Lex has control over what “free-speech” is said on his podcast. Not all free-speech is beneficial to society as a whole. Hateful, nonfactual speech is hard to argue for as being beneficial free speech, especially when said to such a large audience. The problem is that too many people AREN’T critical and DON’T disregard ideas that are clearly delusional, just take all the lies and hate spread in US politics that so many people believe blindly. Or just look at the very anti-semitism that has plagued society for so long, based on hatred and nonfactual claims that has murdered millions of people. Speech should always be free but to pretend that some speech isn’t dangerous is ridiculous. People with platforms that intend to educate should be aware of this and critical of what is said on their platforms.
@J. Allen Hood well said
@@IronFilmProductions I find that most people on the internet have a 7 year old's grasp of what free speech actually means. Well said by the way.
Sam Harris trying to decide what people may think by holding back info and conversations
Sam is taking the position that Lex is wrong for not busting a cancel culture on Kanye
Sam, chill. Lex, you know what you’re doing. Keep doing it. Thanks
So we can't give pushback to a nut like Kanye. Very based take🙄
Sam’s idea is basically that transparency is bad when it comes to sticky conversations. And that people like him and lex should be the judge of what we “regular, everyday people” get to intake as information.
Yeah no thanks Sam, I’m with lex on this 100%. I trust my own intuition enough to confidently form my own opinions.
You nailed it
Yeah, I realize he's the over-stepping overlord type from this.
interestingly, when he comes to religion and support of Israel everything is ok with sam, but when it comes to critizing that nature of things. its not ok. idk why people take same harris seriously.
Whether you like it or not, Lex & Sam & other public intellectuals get to decide when and how you get some of your information, by interviewing and platforming people. They HAVE to judge and discriminate the people they choose to interview and who they interview. Not everyone deserves or can be interviewed by Lex; so by definition Lex gets to choose the information or perspectives you’re allowed to consider on his platform.
Your assumption is false. We are not limited to only getting info here. You have the entire world wide web of info. So.. nope.
Stop with the platforming crap as if we should get to dictate whether people should be heard or not. Hear everyone you MIGHT even want to.
Now go make your own platform with your record function on your phone and stop blaming lex/giving lex power to control all your info.
"I hate the words anti-semitism and racism because it describes people I want to bring on my podcast."
“He’s either obviously in the midst of a mental health crisis or he’s a colossal asshole. Or both….” A very fitting description of yourself, Sam.
man in the mirror...
A very fitting description of yourself, Jeff. See how that works? A non-argument.
@@vipersb1 lol….it wasn’t meant to be an argument because Sam wasn’t making an argument. He was describing what he sees in Kanye. I see Sam the same way as he sees Kanye. See how that works? I love when the Sam groupies come out to defend his lunacy.
11:28 Sam describes himself to Lex's audience.
True
lmaooo true
lol
:D
Facts
“I’m Jewish but obviously not religious” probably not Jewish then.
I don't think anyone else would have tackled that Kanye interview better than Lex, at that specific time when the man was clearly going through a psychotic episode. But being said just because Sam doesn't like someone doesn't mean Lex can't show empathy or reverence towards another guest.
Sam is a batch.
Lex is literally a grifter who cosplays as this nice guy pseudo intellectual 😂 Sam is 💯 right on this.
It wasn't a psychotic episode, but shoutout Lex for having Ye on
@@OryginTech Trash take
if you think that was a psychotic episode you've never been to an inner city school
"Over-explainers will take your silence as an acknowledgement of your incomplete understanding, and they’ll seek to rectify your ignorance while noting your willingness to learn."- Vizier
Sounds like Vizier just didn't know how to say "okay, got it"...
@@nickg2691 you haven't got it. His silence could mean many things
At the same time I feel like Harris is somehow massively over simplifying systemic ailments and glaring holes of society. Which both Trump and Kanye are both a direct and indirect reflection of.
@@bleachcool1465 I think you can say trump is an example of that, Kanye no, not at all.
Trump became the president via democracy. That’s evidence.
Kanye was loud for a year and fell off the map with little care from anyone. They aren’t the same
Nice.
Why do people assume that a musician is worthy of interviewing on important issues simply due to their fame. It’s pathetic.
"Hunter could have literally had the corpses of children in his basement. I would not have cared." - Sam Harris
😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hunters usually do that. Nowadays hunters don’t really exist though.
Make a T-shirt!
we know what same Harris does care about.
He said he would not have cared as it related to his father’s election race. Nice try
Sam is so full of himself he was practically choking on it.
Always has been
You can hear his projections of how he wishes people saw him. It genuinely bothers him that people don't take him as seriously as they do Trump or Kanye. He believes people not as good or pure as him shouldn't speak or have any power. He is closer to a Hitler than anyone
Didn’t really agree with Sam at the first half. But the more he breaks down anti-semitism and how they’re the enemy of extremists of both the left and the right, it offers a whole new perspective.
I will never respect someone who censors speech no matter how absurd it is. Let the people make up their own minds.
If you want to feel like you did the right thing, use Sam’s strategy.. if you want to actually help people who need it, use Lex’s
Around minute 14, Sam makes clear that culturally, he is an American Jew, and that Kanye's anti-semitism (AS) is/was extreme. Given the historic record of AS from Rome to Spain, England, Russia, Poland and Germany, as well as ALL the Middle East, it does not surprise *or* offend me when an influential Jew in America makes vigorous criticism of any AS rants. And that would include this "musical genius", Kanye.
@@paulryan2128 I’m not defending Kanye’s positions in the slightest. The way I understood it, Lex’s goal seems to be to challenge ideas with empath, compared to condemnation.
I think if the goal is to change someone’s mind, challenging with empathy is more likely to create change
@@Kuppy0373 I think most of the world has learned from WW2, that its not very safe to give anti sematics a platform to spread their message. Many ex-nazis have said they were convinced and thought they were right due to Hitler’s speeches. I think Lex naively believes in the good of people.
Yes, because Kanye and his bipolar disorder just need “love”
@@Kuppy0373 Would you be empathetic if hitler was on the podcast? Don’t be so open your brain falls out.
Difference here is that Sam assumes that the audience is stupid, and Lex doesn't.
I think you could substitute "recognises" for "assumes" and be more correct.
Lex underestimates how stupid most people are
And sam is right lol
That resonates for sure.
Sam Harris is the kinda guy that wants to be your friend but sends you a letter beforehand with all the reasons why you shouldn't be friends.
No matter how hard Kanye tries, he’ll never have the ego of Mr. Harris.
Bullshit
In summary, Sam criticising others. What I learned from Sam, nothing.
Then you totally missed Lex’s point then, if you learnt nothing. You could edit your comment correctly and say “what I learned from Sam, doesn’t align with my views”. Perfectly fine statement. But to say you learnt NOTHING? Really?
@@TubaTones I learned something from how Lex responded to Sam’s criticism with openness and humility.
And yes, Sam didn’t provide me with any value-add that I can apply to my daily life.
Maybe because you have the attention span of a cricket.
@@waunairobi Like don't broadcast someone's mental breakdown on public airwaves? Try to help them seek psychiatric care instead. Imagine having a bipolar family member and deciding to interview them on social media. The timing of this interview did not help Kanye.
@@SteveHubbardGuitar dont bother he is not interested, he made his mind up long ago
Censorship is never good. If someone has ideas that are extreme, their ideologies should be confronted and challenged publicly, not hidden or pushed down - obfuscated or ignored. That is cowardice.
100% agree. Not only is this cowardice but it also pushes those beholders of extreme ideas to the underground where they are then allowed to ferment through the power of their echo chamber and the frustration of not being able to speak their mind will transform their crappy opinions into something more extreme.
I rather have everyone be able to talk their mind which allows then everyone else to make up their mind about them. If someone wants to make an ass out of themselves then everyone should be able to see that.
The problem is, that the people that advocate for censorship always pretend that the public is full of idiots who cant handle the truth. In the end, censorship limits ones full expression, forces opposing views into secrecy, and ontop of that also insults the public as stupid. I fail to see the good of any of those outcomes.
Not inviting someone on your podcast is not censorship. By that standard, every person that hasn't yet been on his podcast is being censored.
The problem with Ye isn't that he is extreme, it's that he is incoherent in his statements and has nothing to bring to the table. You don't need to go out of your way and broadcast every crazy person you found on the NYC subway to make sure that you're not suppressing speech.
Sam gets it 100% on this video
All you people talking about "open dialogue" why don't you argue for Lex to speak to Louis Farrakhan. Kanye is just someone who shares some of your beliefs.
Sam is speaking from an emotive standpoint. He should have listened more during this podcast.
Facts how about us blacks that know they make money of us look what lyor cohen said about why he signs killers he said “ I got to make m on ey somehow “ shits sick the way these people get mad as if their the special ones
In a 'perfect world' everyone would get along... the reality is that there are blacks that don't like jews and there are jews that don't like blacks. It makes sense that a jewish person would be offended by a personal attack, but does a jew get offended when a black is being personally attacked and decides to say something and stand up for the black person? (Until such time as the jewish community makes more of an effort to defend non jews that are being attacked and chooses to condemn jews that attack others, then jews have no reason to expect (or demand) others speak up and stand up for them.
@@ItsMe-yv9jd What on earth are you even trying to express there? What is even the analogy in this case
Honestly what's the difference from the way Kanye feels about the Jews and the way Sam feels about religious people? Has Kanye written books denouncing Jews? Sam has written books demonizing groups of people.
🤦🏻 WoW you’re seriously comparing the logic and philosophy between someone that has no idea of what those words mean and an intellectual that is lightyears ahead.
If you don’t understand the differences between these two, you don’t know the two and you have no business commenting. And if you know these two, you’re something else.
@@ZaChYmO Do you mean these two instead of this two?
I just smoked weed so I really don’t care about the conversation. I am still able to feel that it’s about smoothing things out for the good of all, but idc about the person being spoken about, or whatever he did to merit attention from these two.
It’s not my issue. If you’re going to respond with it benefits everyone etc, that’s relative to your position on earth.
Like a pebble dropped in the ocean, its ripples won’t reach very far.
This issue is far from my position in life.
And I think it’s a waste of time.
Sam was absolutely right.
I’ve never engaged with Sam before and I’m sort of glad. This was so disappointing to watch. He became so hyper focused on the point of the conversation with Kanye ONLY being about Kanye when Lex emphasized multiple times the benefit to everyone else in just witnessing the conversation happening. I found this podcast because of the Kanye interview and I’m left of center with most of my political opinions. Sam saying that even listening with love is like a gale force storm of nonsense is so arrogantly dismissive.
Lex, keep doing what you’re doing. Love is the most powerful force in the world. End of story. I find Sam pitiable that he doesn’t recognize that.
Are you a grown man? Serious question. If Kanye were an individual preaching outright White Supremacy, no one would be spewing this "Love" trope; people would be criticizing the man. Sam only holds anti-Semitism as an ideology that is as bad as other racial ideologies, and that's why his opinion is what it is. Everyone wants to make excuses for Kanye because of his celebrity status, etc. No other individual would be as apologized for as a manic rapper. lmao
Sam is highly over rated. You haven't missed much he's been wrong about everything important for the past 5 years.
For real. Sam has been on a downward spiral for years. Still more intelligent than myself, but, he lets his emotions guide him now, and being a slow deliberate speaker cannot disguise it.
Hell yeah man you are spot on.
Sam is spot on here. Most podcasters are now putting entertainment and spectacle as the #1 priority. How does no one sees what’s wrong with broadcasting a guys’ psychotic manic episode to millions of people? Even if your main priority is showing love to Kanye, the most loving thing to do would be have a private conversation with him and help him seek mental help.
Sam is stuck in 2016, inside of a bubble of success, that will never be pierced. He’s no longer the source of any useful ideas going forward 🙏🏾 I don’t mourn his loss because I trust he can find peace if he really wants it.
Spot on.
The big question is whose mental illness constitutes a greater detriment to the patient's reasoning and life in general: Kanye's anti-semitism or Sam Harris's TDS.
Sam's reaction to the moment when Lex states that it is possible that they are assholes, mentally ill, or both really is telling of why Sam is an asshole.
disagreed. You can go a bit too far with playing Jesus, as Lex seems to have done there.
disagree.
I love when two people can have a big variation of opinion but can still chill and talk about it and continue a friendship/acquaintanceship
Yeah man, absolutely. And happily and respectfully letting each other finish. Or waiting patiently while the other thinks about the question, or the formulation of his answer.
People all over America and Europe are talking about the great divide between the left and the right; the polarization that divides all our societies and even families. In my opinion, the real gap is THIS; people who have -discussions- conversations like gentlemen, versus people who turn every interaction with another human being into a Jersey Shore episode. People who are happy when they have gained new insights or a better understanding of a difficult subject, versus people who wake up and go to sleep very angry and considering themselves infallible.
That’s the power of turning the other cheek an love…nothing naive about that !!! Team Lex, always
The Power in turning the other cheek‼️ Sam Harris missed the point…perhaps
@@DC-pw6moboth men are Jews who view the spewing of anti-semitism differently, one believes it’s mental illness the other pro formative
It’s called civil discourse.
It's also crazy to me that Sam advocates not having conversations and not bringing conversations to the public.
Something changed in him, and I think that was Trump. I remember him acting all irrationally about Trump when he was first elected. We all knew that Trump was a narcissist but we also knew every other president before him was also a narcissist. Look at how Obama acts. He gets on stage and is completely snarky and demeaning. They are all the same, but Sam just went off the rails after that.
It's very obvious that he's 100% a statist, there can only be ONE official story and everything else is not even considered.
EVERYTHING must be done behind the scenes to match the OFFICIAL story.
It's very obvious everything he said went right over your head
The problem is that lex didn't have a backbone during his interview with Kanye and allowed him to say some outlandish things without rebuttal
@@timnelson3431 the problem is trump tells so many lies that you physically cannot call it out in real time. You cannot keep up with it.
The problem with conversations with people like Kanye or a flat early is that they drop so many false facts at once that you simply cannot address all of them.
I disagree with a lot of what Sam says but he is right about Kanye. Did everyone forget what Kanye did to Taylor Swift?
Sam is sort of right about antisemitism and anti-asian hate in America too, especially the black community.
Sam’s on point. As much as I love Lex, I think he’s in complete denial about the consequences of these actions. His point about treating artists differently seems like a weak argument for justifying airing an episode that exacerbates the mental episode that Kanye was/is going through.
I’m not a fan of Kanye whatsoever, but I don’t think interviewing him was doing any good; it seems like it’s taking advantage of his downward spiral situation.
Id prefer to hear someone talk and express their mind/ideas openly, and me decide how credible/noteworthy those ideas and person are. Kanye showed me a lot in that interview, and Kanye's words made it clear what Kanye is thinking. Everyone is vulnerable to ideas, but the best way to counter bad ideas is better ideas, and shutting down conversation does not let that process happen.
Yeah but the argument wasn’t, “you should not have had the conversation in the first place” the argument was “I personally don’t believe releasing the conversation that I just saw is going to have an overall positive effect on society.” He is making the argument that the conversation, as conducted by lex AND Kanye, failed at whatever lex was attempting to accomplish, for the very reason, that Lex didn’t counter those bad ideas well enough.
@@AJGoldie yes, Sam is correct. And Sleepy Fridman aired that for clout. Sold out his own tribe for views. Kapo
"The best way to counter bad ideas is with good ideas" tell that to hitler when he took over Germany
@@AJGoldie American society is in moral decay already.
@@pubpiss-zn1ez That must be one of the only parts of history that most Americans seem to know, and they don't even know much about that time period. Stop comparing everything with Nazi Germany.
Projection is a psychological defense mechanism where an individual attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, emotions, or traits onto someone else. In the case of Sam's strong reaction to Kanye West and Donald Trump's ego, it could be argued that Sam is projecting his own ego onto these individuals.
It's possible that Sam is uncomfortable with his own ego and the ways in which it manifests, such as feeling superior to others or seeking attention and validation. When he sees Kanye and Trump exhibiting similar behaviors, it triggers a strong emotional response in him because it reminds him of his own ego-driven tendencies.
However, rather than acknowledging and addressing his own ego, Sam may unconsciously deflect and externalize it onto these public figures. By doing so, he avoids confronting his own ego and can instead focus on criticizing and condemning the behavior of others.
Damn. You hit the nail on the head.
Ouch
Yeah, this is obvious to me. He really lacks any kind of true faith/or spirituality which leaves him with no true reflection. He might "think" he is reflecting on something but is rather projecting a majority of the time, and doesn't even seem to realize it. Very egotistical. The rational mind that is.
that's a BINGO!!
This is intellectually equivalent to a GF saying, "I cheated because you complemented me so much that I felt smothered and pressured. I guess I didn't see what you saw in me. I just needed an escape." You used a lot of words but said absolutely nothing. 😂
Respect for Sam Harris for saying it as it is: Kanye talks utter nonsense and also considers himself as superior to others. It’s an ugly combo and not one that should be entertained. That’s before you even get to anti-semitism.
If bias was a person. I think this guy is more inadequate of being on Lex’s platform. 0 nuanced ideas. Same regurgitated negative takes on Ye. Pointless discussion
I think it is much more valuable to have an open and honest discourse and let people decide for themselves, rather than censoring and preventing information just because there are "risks" in spreading a harmful message. The news that Kanye said some crazy shit was already widely spread, and thanks to Lex I have a much better understanding of where he is coming from and why he is behaving that way. People who will only derive the worst conclusion will do so anyway no matter what we do.
Shut up Asian you don’t get to have an opinion on Americans
100%. Sam believes he has the right to withhold information about the world from you because he knows better than you how to structure the world. We’re just not smart enough to understand.
Duh this is why God gave us freewill
The way you put it makes it more palatable, but the overall message is blatantly wrong. The more Andrew Tate's and Kanye's we have in our public discourse, the more are the ideas similar to his normalised, making an average person with a limited worldview more likely to shift to a position a bit more towards that side. It doesn't have to be the worst possible take. It's enough to have sufficient amount of people say "Ah, but he does make some sense."
@@sai_69 yup exactly. It is dangerous. Ask ex-nazis. They didnt really know what they were following. Most people are easily fooled.
Sam is the kind of guy that can spend an hour breaking down other people’s faults while refusing to even acknowledge his own.
I did not see the podcast that Mr.Fridman did so I won't comment on that directly, I will say that giving Kanye West, who clearly has been going through some mental health distress in the last years, walks an uncomfortable line between normalizing abhorrent behavior through fame and exploiting the mentally ill. Kanye is not a well man. He's not a libertine or innovative, he's bi-polar and has lost a lot of fame and his family in the last few years. He deserves our patience but doesn't need a platform for his musings.