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Sam Harris on Donald Trump
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
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Guest bio: Sam Harris is an author, podcaster, and philosopher.
Trump voters weren't fooled by trump. They know exactly what he is. That's what they want.
You forgot to include that Sam is also a neuroscientist.
Treat guests with respect.
@Andrew Justis Harris gets more than a million downloads for each of his podcast episodes. Someone cares what he has to say.
This is awesome! Both these men are GREAT!❤❤❤❤
Lex: Don't you think you're wrong about Trump?
Sam: No, here's why (5 minutes of calm, detailed explanation)
Lex:Yes, but what do you think about The "Sam Harris' brain is broken" meme?
Sam: 5 minutes of calm, detailed explanation
Lex: OK, but don't you think you should have more empathy and say good things about Trump?
Sam: No, here's why (5 minutes of calm, detailed explanation)
Lex: Yeah but don't you think Trump saying before the election that it was rigged if he lost was just comedy....
What a bonkers interview. He asks Sam questions which Sam gives calm, reasoned answers to, and Lex just asks him another version of the same question hoping that this time Sam will admit he was wrong about Trump, or went too far and that Trump really did break his brain. Over and over. Each time Sam lays out his thinking quite clearly. Lex doesn't respond to the content of the response, just continues with the "are you suuurrrreee you don't have TDS" line of questioning. I've never really understood the appeal of Lex.
Exactly
@@PatrickSmithAgreed. Lex annoys me with his spinelessness, but the people he interviews are often great. The channel has value.
@@chethankrishnan6639 and he lets Sam answer uninterrupted. Very rare with many interviewers
Watch Scott Adams debate Sam about Trump.
Could Sam think of a single good thing Trump did? Abraham accords? Calming things down with North Korea? Anything?
He seems a bit, um ... Irish ?
Been aware of Trump for best part of 40 years and have never seen him as anything other than a huckster and carnival barker.
Snake oil salesman as well
As opposed to what? Any other politician? He fits right in.
Throw in rapist. When he raped ivana he pulled a clump of her hair out
I worked in NY , union sheet metal ,and he has been a LIEING grifter since the 80s
And he does not pay is bills. Just a loser then as now
@@Jackaroo.Your trolling is subpar
I had heard about Sam Harris but never listened to him talk. My God, he articulates common sense. He calmly hits the nail on the head with every point. He reveals Lex’s subtle and shallow devotion to Trump.
Sam Harris has revealed his competitive narcissism.
Amen to that brother! Big Sam harris fan here. And thought Lex was a fairly unbiased interviewer. But this was painful to hear someone ask questions with such clear bias and cognitive dissonance.
And your comments about this are revelatory. Harris’ demeanor hides (for some) his corrupted personality. The way I which he speaks of trump and the legions of people that saw beyond his personality and even character flaws to what is truly important in an executive which is policy. His policies and actions as president were truly in the best interests of our nation and its survival.
another deluded trumpist. he has almost all the worst traits you could hope for in a leader. arrogance. corruptness, narcissism, lack of morals, lack of loyalty, lack of patriotism, disrespect for the constitution and peaceful transfer of power. his policies actually were terrible. tax cuts for millionaires that only added more to the national debt, and not even half a wall. Imagine if i said ill make you an umbrella and i give you like 1/4 of an umbrella - even that would be better than a fraction of a wall. people can just go around it.
So what other policies did he enact? taking kids from mothers at the border? Disguisting. Defending nazis and extremists? staging a coup on the government? Attempting to bribe foreign leaders. cosying up to Putin? The only thing i can see that he did thatw as good, was getting other NATO leaders to pay more - and that was by accident! He assumed they wouldnt do it, and that he could set tjhe stage for leaving NATO. But actually they reacted positively to much surprise. In much the same way Putins war has had the opposite effect and strengthened NATO.
So please tell us what these great policies were? And what great polici
es he has promised for next time, other than non stop revenge on everyone who wronged him? @@satinderpinder7280
Lol these are the dumbest takes
That anyone thought Trump was the answer to elitism demonstrates a level of stupidity that I never suspected existed.
Lex did, Lex is a fraud and is more russian than ukrainian.
Respectfully, have you ever been pushed to desperation, hopelessness. The mind begins to do strange things. It doesn't give up.
Jesus is the answer to elitism.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp Nah, Thor is much better.
@@Kenneth-ts7bp My friend Felicia, who has, remarkably, never been wrong about anything, ever, not even once, says you're wrong.
“There are not two sides to a story when one side is lying.”
Are you talking about the Trump/Russia collusion lies?
Or maybe the Hunter Biden laptop?
@@paullambert8183Clinton emails!
@@paullambert8183
The HB laptop is a lie. I am sorry you would fall for such an obvious scam.
@@paullambert8183Funny how the biggest thing that Maga cultists can attack Biden on, is not only yet to be proven but was also done by Dump himself.
Lex, in his blind struggle to find sympathy for even the most clear cut corrupt and morally bankrupt actors, comes across as someone with a mind so open his brain fell out.
is nt the mind and the brain the same thing? lol..........
@@AsifKhan-hf9zynot exactly. People don’t say “have an open brain”.
Mind is the result or synthesis of the brains biology. Brain is the physical thing.
At least that’s how Id think of it.
It’s lose and fuzzy though because anything that is experienced as “the mind” is happening inside the brain so how are to concepts separated..
@@vhufeosqap
Agreed. I would say that the mind is more synonymous with consciousness, than with the brain. It is the result of brain activity.
Thank you for this succinct review of this hour.
I think he's trying
In the movie “Excalibur” from around 1980, King Arthur asks Merlin which principle is the most important. The answer: The truth. Humans better figure that out. The Joker is not a model for any system to survive.
Do we live in a movie?
Absolutely. Natural processes are no joke.
Respect to Sam for being one of the few Podcasters that I follow who had honest opinions on Trump and didn’t hold back for the sake of keeping an audience. I still like a lot of these guys that I’ve listen to for years, but many of them failed this test to me. Way too light handed.
Totally agree. I found David Feldman recently and he's comforting to me and shares your characteristics. However I'm in hospice and finally got to the stage where i need a big dose of humor with the truth. I like Sam and have learned a lot but sometimes -- more & more lately -- i also need comfort and laughs with the heavy topics like these. Sam is one of the most intelligent guys Ive come across & esp i appreciate his views on religion and atheism. 😊
Trump 2024. The only sane choice. Harris obviously suffers from TDS.
Anyone who supported trump should get respect for not holding back and telling people they support him with the great chance they will get alienated from their family and friends.
@@AndrewQuiroz24 Lmao not really. I bet you don't think the same for people who supported Obama or Biden when their family and friends are conservative Republicans in some rural area. It all depends on where you're from or your background and you can still get some backlash from either side. Trump supporters aren't victims lol gtfo with that.
@@rob97dani dude if you say that you support trump as a minority everyone calls you white. What are you talking about? White elitists enable this narrative through colleges for blacks and browns to overwhelmly think a certain way and when we deviate we go against the tribalistic nature of our group. It's BS. I will GLADLY explain to you in person how white liberal elites are imposing these TOXIC messages on our youth.
"Let's get normal mediocrities in that role, not a once in a generation narcissist and fraud." 😂😂😂
Trump is so selfesh he is the FIRST President to leave office with less wealth than he had the day he went in.
Trump thinks he's superior when he struggles just to be average.
I laughed out loud when Sam made this comment.
his wish came true. we got the bidet, the living cadaver. can't get more mediocre than that in america....
Sshhhush
Trump gave his supporters some thing no other candidate could. He allowed them to be the worst version of themselves.
Trump didn’t start any new wars the first president in 50 years America to do that. Sorry. Reality.
These people argue Trump was incompetent they mean he was incompetent at funding the money laundering death machine the military industrial complex that Democrats like Biden are extremely competent in doing. Missing moral compass! Lolz 😂 What a clown act these two are.
America was at its best. All of these two in the video and your crying about nothing is you at your worst.
And what has sleepy joe done for you?
@@markderamo9229 you’re a bot
@@TheRealAbraxas Prove it. I'll wait here patiently...... 😀
@@markderamo9229 President Biden did'nt try and overthrow our government, when it was a fair election.
We need more Sam Harrises. He’s grossly under appreciated both as a citizen of our country and as a member of the human race
The sad thing l questioned why doesn’t the Sam Harrises of America don’t run for president?
In the opener Lex Fridman says, "...even if the election was fairly executed."
I really felt at that point, there was no reason to listen to this any further.
Respect for Sam Harris - I think he is a solid analyst and a keeper of the facts.
Lex is playing devil's advocate in a lot of this conversation.
I suggest you relax a bit on the tribalism.
Sorry to burst ur bubble, but Harris has the mindset of a fascist and I can prove it.
Sam Harris R E F U S E S To Try (( continue
to try )) To Find The Calm // Rational // Sen -
- sible Middle Ground Between Trump
Lovers & Those Who Do N O T Love Trump .
Good For Sam . ✅️ ✔️ N I C E ✔️✅️
@@ManicMindTricksame 2 u
Exactly right, he starts by denying a fact that has been corroborated by over 60 court cases, tens of audits, independent reviewers, all carried and paid by the loosing party. So sad to see people unable or unwilling to accept reality just to please a man with so many flaws.
Lex please understand what Sam is saying. I was obsessed with your best buddy joe Rogan and stopped watching him when I realized he couldn’t understand how dangerous Trump was. It’s madness.
Spot on, Joe evidently also has a moral, screw missing.
Yep, me too. Was a joe fan until he went anti-vax and used his platform to tout Ivermectin as Covid remedy. MD that Joe is. WTF, Joe.
How is Trump dangerous Loretta? Trump is the first president since Carter who refused to drag America into a new war. Trump also did what Obama said he would do but never did, Trump set in motion America's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Just for comparison, Bush Jr dragged America into war with 2 countries over a lie and Obama expanded it to 7 countries. Millions died. Trump also refused to get involved in Russia and Ukraine, and Russia is threatening nuclear war if America gets involved any further, Biden doesn't care.
Trump de-escalated America's long-running conflicts not only with North Korea but also countries we depend on to keep using American dollars as the reserve currency. Biden's policy has been to repeatedly threaten them to stay in line so now China, India and Russia are forming their own standard which has started the process of American money becoming worthless worldwide.
😂
I agree with you. JRE has changed money and power corrupts absolutely!
It really rinse and repeat if you want anything healthy.
Cheers 😎
Unbelievable how much Lex was trying to defend Trump and spouting Red Herring arguments.
The truth lies somewhere in the middle, Trump isn't a deranged maniacal goofball demon as Harris makes him out to be. Lex is just pushing back on that and even confronted him about TDS, which Sam very clearly has developed a severe case of.
My thought exactly.
Please give an example instead of making generalizations. And I doubt you know what a "Red Herriing" even is.
Was it just to ensure that all of Trump's doings were discussed and debunked. To truly lay bare how dangerous Trump was and still is.
Well lex is trying not to lose the trumpies, he wants them to keep watching so they don't just get lost in their echo chamber of insanity
I could listen to Sam shares his views on Trump for hours and hours...more please!
There is a lot of that out there, both in interviews like this and his own podcast he's had for many years now.
not this one. I listened mostly to all of it and it was just as elitist as the man he criticized only in a better form.Harris is not a populist . At least the border was more secured and his relationship to Russia was not any different in principle as Israel is to the Arabs. Why critique that? Trump did a great job with our adversaries in gaining respect. Sam says nothing about Biden.and yes the election was rigged . Do want a answer to that?
Sam threaded a needle, avoiding traps to do so. I try to be open minded. When my students have suggested obviously fictitious or distorted views of reality, I have usually just told them to look at the objectively verified data to find the truth. Far too many of my fellow Americans have either not learned, or have forgotten, what objective truth means and how to find it.
THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS.
Saying someone has TDS instead of presenting a counter argument, Is just using a personal insult, instead of presenting anything fruitful.
"TDS" is rarely used as a counter argument.
Conservatives have spent almost a decade attempting to convince liberals that Reality exists.
After years of dealing with this absurdity, "TDS" was invented as a shorthand to describe a person who has an illogical, delusional, or unfounded opinion of Trump.
It's impossible to discuss the issues with someone who won't acknowledge fundamental reality.
I agree in most cases, but TDS is definitely real, some people just cant keep their emotions in check and are just obsessed with straw manning trump. I'm no trumpie but MSNBC has TDS running rampant among their employees, just like how newsmax has trump D riding syndrome.
All assertions need facts - not interpretations - to back them up. Otherwise they needn't be heard.
do people actually think Lex Fridman is smart or incisive? Because he doesn't come off that way.
Amen. He's an articulate communicator, and people can take that and run to some pretty far off conclusions.
Lex does
Yes. He absolutely is.
Then you have quite a way to go. Good luck.
Sam talking sense the whole time and Lex acting like the other side has a point lol
Yes incredulous lol. I guess the one thing that absolutely blows me out of the water shock is that a very sizable number of Americans could ever in a million years vote for this guy for anything much less President! I think djt has made me aware of things I would never be aware of is that we have people that would in a zillion years think this guy should be the President of the most powerful country in the entire history of the known world and have his reprobate (being kind) fingers on the nuclear button!!! Jeez Louise I need my brain rewired for real!!
@@EmmettHenderson-hf1zm it is also unfathomable to me lol
I know! I couldn’t tell if Lex was playing devil’s advocate or is just a Trumper
@@jlump228 yeah, it is hard to say honestly, but that he seems to have the 'other sides' point down so clear, makes it seem like its his perspective, plus he kept going on about how he always respected Sam for his level headedness but that he was not being level headed about Trump.
@@EmmettHenderson-hf1zm the most incredulous part is that he got 10 million MORE votes in 2020.
10 million people in this country couldn't stand to pull the lever for him in 2016, but the following 4 years of nightmare won them over. What in the actual hell.
Companies under Trump went into bankruptcy 5 times. How many lives did that alone wreck? In most Western Countries a guy like that wouldn't be allowed to do business anymore.
The beauty of America is that you can fail, pick yourself back up and try again. Many successful businesses were made by people who failed multiple times. You would like these middle Eastern countries where they practice what you suggest. If you fail, you are not allowed to do business again and can even go to jail due to debts until such debts are repaid.
Also there is a reason these Western Countries you speak of lag behind America in almost every field.
So why was he "allowed" to?
You do recognize that most bankruptcies are simply reorganizations. Bankruptcies lawyers who specialize in this field get together to try to work out new terms. Whenever such things are publicized they always mention chapter 7, chapter 13 or whatever. I'm not sure which is which but only one represents a total ending of the business.
I think you will find he really has the "Reverse Midas" touch, and destroys everything he touches, without any exception whatsoever.
At the 22.28 mark, Harris mentions the movie Being There (1979), which is another late 20th century reference at a time when it was increasingly apparent that we were living in a media saturated society. I've made this reference often in my posts. Just to provide a bit of the backstory to this subtle comedy - a middle-aged man named "Chance" has extreme autism and has lived his entire life under the care of "The old man" who dies near the beginning of the movie. Chance had been the gardener of the old man's estate, but now that the old man was dead, Chance was to become homeless. However, as "chance" would have it, and without a care in the world, Chance simply dressed up in one of the old man's nicest formal suits, packed one suitcase and simply began strolling down the street. He is completely disengaged with the world around him and is incapable of fear when street thugs approach him, and he simply appears too important for them to dare do anything to him. Chance has an addiction to TV, and when he sees several of them in a store window, he completely zones out, especially when they display people as they walk by the store. This leads him to step out into the street, where he is gently bumped by a car, but not just any car. As "chance" would have it, it was a limo owned by one of the wealthiest families in the country. Out of fear that they might be sued by this very important person, they take him under their care, and assume his autism is just a part of his eccentric genius. Now that he is under their care, it isn't long before his serendipitous rise to the presidency. The central theme revolves around appearances and how people are easily fooled by them.
It's so bizarre to me that those of us who have a problem with Trump and his toxic behaviour are labelled with Trump Derangement Syndrome, when all measurable indicators of an unhealthy fixation on Trump are clearly and exclusively displayed by the individuals who support him. And the argument is such an easy call. For example: at one point, we all believed that sexism, racism, bullying, fraud, self absorption, pettiness, criminality, exploitation, combativeness, lying, name calling, bigotry, bragging, lack of accountability, cheating, nepotism, infidelity, disrespect, extortion, bad sportsmanship, deception, rash decisionmaking, intolerance, irresponsibility, hypocrisy, sore losing, immorality and lack of integriy were negative qualities in a person and anyone who exhibited more than one or two of them, let alone ALL of them, triggered red flags in all of us.
The difference now though, is that while most of us still hold those same beliefs and values, there is a large swath of the population who woke up this morning feeling that those qualities are suddenly perfectly fine with us, to the point where we may even actively engage in some of them, ourselves. THAT is deranged
The wealthy family member says what is you name, his reply "I'm Chance The Gardner". Then he's being introduced to others as Mr. Chauncy Gardner. I was 15 yrs old when I saw the movie in 1979 at the theatre and even at that age found it hilarous. Classic Peter Sellers dry humour throughout.
Thank you so much for this post! I MUST watch this movie. 👍🏼
@@Splexx Yes, he was being served a stiff alcoholic beverage as he was being asked his name and gagged on it, thus leading them to assume "chance the gardener" was "Chauncy Gardner."
One of my top 3 favorite movies of all time.
Sam has it pretty much nailed down. Excellent thoughts by this man.
Sam is the same person who advocated ending democracy so the elites can pick our leaders in secret. Not only that he's too biased to see that Trump wasn't dangerous compared to other presidents. For example:
Trump is the first president since Carter who refused to drag America into a new war. Trump also did what Obama said he would do but never did, Trump set in motion America's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Just for comparison, Bush Jr dragged America into war with 2 countries and Obama expanded it to 7 countries. Millions died. Trump also refused to get involved in Russia and Ukraine, and Russia is threatening nuclear war if America gets involved any further, Biden doesn't care.
Sam hates the American people and is a spokesperson for the donors, foreigners and elites who oppose his America First agenda
ua-cam.com/video/fBfLEsmPXdY/v-deo.html - whats your thought on this?
Sam has TDS big time.
Trump needs no deep dive by a PhD...anyone with 2 connected brain cells knows a person that's nothing more than an illiterate bigot.
Lex is just like Rogan. Pretends to be a truth seeking centrist, but terrified to criticize Trumpers because he knows they make up a significant portion of his audience.
Never heard of Lex but got this same vibe watching this. As I read through the comments, I'm coming to understand why.
But he had on a guest who readily criticized trump....same thing
Ha! EXACTLY.
Sure... just like people in general adapt to a degree to people, they are talking with.
So what? People always have self interest in mind in some way you cannot escape that nor should you.
Listener is free to make his own judgement on whatever topic.
Perhaps he's a just a fan and doesn't wanna offend. I'm a Sam fan. If I was interviewing him I'd be extra careful on things we don't agree with. Especially his TDS.
I love how Lex is like, "Oh Sam you're my hero, please explain Trump derangement syndrome" and Sam is like "Sure, the derangement is how can you support the most morally corrupt person I can think of" LOLOLOLOLOL. Lex is proof number 1 that intelligent people can not be told the truth once they have an idea in their head
Yes, but I'd add: Not just 'an idea in their head,' but subscribers to their podcast, money in their pockets, millionaires
& billionaires in their contacts, etc.
Lex seems willfully obtuse when it suites his socio-economic ladder-climbing.
@@ritornelloandrefrainI bet you have watched Shawshank redemption !!😂😂
How’s he morally corrupt?
Exactly my take take on this video. It's hard to watch Lex just not understand at all what Sam is saying.
@@billyb4790OMG, really? He's been found guilty of rape in court, for which he shows no remorse but rather continues to verbally abuse the victim. He was found guilty of fraud for using money from a "Build the Wall" non-profit entity for his personal expenses. He referred to fallen American soldiers as SUCKERS. He buried his wife at his golf course for the tax advantages. He idolizes authoritarian leaders of other morally corrupt countries such as China, North Korea and Saudi Arabia.
Those are just a few of many. It would take too long to summarize all of them.
It's always good to hear what a reasonable, knowledgeable, and thoughtful person like Sam Harris has to say about anything. Thanks and thumbs up.
Sam Harris seems deranged.
Are you being facetious?
@@Kenneth-ts7bpyeah he seems so wild and out of control 😂😂😂
@@Pntngbrn TDS?
Absolutely
Lex has always had a soft spot for narcissistic lying billionaires.
?
@@amberackerson5916 Elmo Musk
Yes that came through. His bad faith defenses of Trump were transparent.
Apparently that is what pays the most money for podcasters this days... Carry the water for wealthy narcissistic shitheads and keep the bases of half-brained conservative troglodytes in a permanent state of hate and paranoia...
@@MugRuith Agree 100%. A bit surprising and sad IMO.
100 percent with Sam on this, and I am a devout Catholic, with all my religious baggage I can still see how correct Sam is.
Just had to say, "I'm Catholic," . That's it. We'll automatically know your position. Left wing
@@bobbyblazes4398 oh hush.
@@bobbyblazes4398 Please do not include me in your idiocy.
@@bobbyblazes4398 what? lol that stereotype is news to me
Not just a catholic but devout 🙈
While I do think there were certainly large groups of people that did not see through Trump's con, what is far more disturbing to me is how many millions of people know exactly who he is and support him anyway, because either 1) They genuinely like having someone like that in power, or 2) They are willing to put someone like that in power, despite any other reservations they may have, because he bribed them on certain issues (usually abortion).
Or, 3) they are just like him and share his values.
@@OneEyedJacker What "values"? Be specific. These are now facts: He mocks the handicap, is repulsed by wounded soldiers, decries gold star families, slept w/ a porn star while his wife was pregnant w/ his son, he paid for that sex, he was found, by a jury, to have raped a woman and caused her harm, he has fraudulently misrepresented documents to benefit himself over decades, he paid someone to take his SAT exams, he sues people he disagrees with to stifle them because he's richer, and he lies on a regular basis.
Against the backdrop of who he IS, what he "values" be specific and state what values they share?
Private equity firms are bankrupting America. Trump dumped us out of the TPP at the behest of Russia (China's best neighbor) and ripped $4 billion in one day from farmers who spent years building those relationships, the wealthy are trying to shut down public education and eliminate Social Security, and fifty other major unreported problems and what are we having to worry about? Whether the greatest con man in the history of the galaxy will ever spend one night in jail. Fashionably "woke" or ultra-conservative, it's one giant sheetshow to keep us all distracted from trying to change anything, at least in any significant manner.
My advice? Take a deep breath, secure your home, and don't make any major purchases until sanity is restored. Of course, that means you'll probably be wearing the same clothes and driving the same car for the next twenty years, but the only way out of the game is to choose not to play it, or at least play it as little as possible to the point it no longer stays profitable. Find out who your friends are, the good ones, and keep them close, and contrary to TV, keep your enemies as far out of town as possible.
The law of the land is the rich get richer and the house always wins - as long as we keep playing the game. Vote and support minimum wage for politicians, make lobbying illegal, and allow anyone able to secure enough signatures to freely use the PUBLIC COMMONS AIRWAVES for a reasonable amount of political advertising so that it doesn't take so much money and political pandering to get elected.
Or they are awake and realize there was going to be no way to vote America out of tyranny in the future (now).
The harm done by media focus on the 'deplorables' voting for trump and their dehumanization instead of on the experiment that failed hard enough to enable him, will be studied for a century.
First president not to start a new war since Carter? hmmm
4.) There's a clear need for someone to be able to talk and form sentences?
Lex's monetizing as he contorts his mind to understand a very simple, obvious fact.
I find it so confounding that a person as intelligent and empathetic as Lex is in the tank for Trump. Just because you believe the government is corrupt and our institutions are in trouble doesn't mean a more corrupt "chaos agent" is required to clean it up.
Same here..
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I don't think he is as intelligent and empathetic as you think, and I'll explain. For one example, Lex uses the premise of "empathy" to make his behavior look more noble, than the simple pandering and kowtowing it often is. He also appears more opportunistic about his base on the right, which is where he then aims his submissiveness towards. The mask of empathy is, ironically, likely largely disingenuous in that way, and serves as a tool to knowingly excuse empowering the dangers that Sam here has fairly poignantly outlined.
Is this because he’s not talking good about Trump?
@@ianokay maybe you are right ... haven't considered this before
I am one who has no love for identity politics nor our current hyper-PC culture - but Sam's take on trump is exactly correct in my view
That a person so egregiously lacking in any/every quality we ought to seek in a leader (or in anyone for that matter) is viewed by some as THE premier president of our time is still pretty shocking to me
I know in my bones that only trump's staggering greed & stupidity are all that kept him from wreaking absolute havoc - and yet there are still many who still choose to view him through the most generous and selective lens
As someone who remembers watching Nixon resign, I worry for younger people today who may not realize just how unsound president trump was
Have you seen what Joe Biden has done to the country and the world as a whole?
Trump is the first president since Carter who refused to drag America into a new war. Trump also did what Obama said he would do but never did, Trump set in motion America's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Just for comparison, Bush Jr dragged America into war with 2 countries over a lie and Obama expanded it to 7 countries. Millions died. Trump also refused to get involved in Russia and Ukraine, and Russia is threatening nuclear war if America gets involved any further, Biden doesn't care. Trump put 500 billion into the black community more than Obama and Clinton combined.
"I am one who has no love for identity politics..."
Very few people do, "hyper-PC" culture is largely a myth perpetuated by people who are too scared to have reasonable discussions about change. Instead they push the extreme wackos into the center so they can strawman any modicum of progressive thought that might challenge the status quo.
Also the wackos are way more entertaining than reasonable discussion so are exploited and monetised by the media.
I was sick of Trump by the end of his term, but I definitely miss him now.
Trump has another character defect that hinders his autocracy: his laziness. He doesn't have the discipline of Hitler and Mussolini. Case in point: Trump told his terror mob that he would march with them on the Capitol. He watched it on TV. Hitler marched on Munich.
Love the way he described the utopian incentive structure’s effect on bad people’s behavior.
Everyone is a bad person on certain angle
@@lawrencemalata1503
True but not everyone is wanting to be our president.
Something has died in this country. It seems impossible to return to it but I believe there is a way. Traumas are healed through acknowledging the trauma, remembering the pre traumatic state, grieving it’s loss and recommitting oneself to life.
We need to snap out the denying, start the grieving, and fall back in love with our beautiful roots of decency, democracy and love. For this we need a real leader who can harness these great energies and model the grieving process in a way we can collectively participate in the healing.
Any loving souls out there - heal of your own wounds so you can lead the way collectively. There is no other way I don’t think.
I'll say you don't....
Thoughtful comment. @@warrenallsopp
No, really just no. No more healing and complaining, no more rights rights rights, no more "trauma". Just work. Honest work, not spreading asscheeks on OF. Honest work and raising families with proper values. No need for endless taxpayer-funded "healing". The taxpayer is tapped out.
I think Sam Harris is on the level.
Seeing what happened with Trump is like seeing an awful crime scene and never being able to un-see it for the rest of your life.
Mostly because so many people still like and/or support him. For the rest of my life I will be aware of that fact.
You prefer accomplishment-free lying lawyers as president?
Like a crime scene in slow motion, littered with incriminating evidence being sham investigated by the Keystone Cops.
the chaos is so harmful. trump traumatizes and abuses everyone who enters his orbit. as president, we were in a car with a drunk driving maniac.
i don't know how to be happy anymore. families and friendships are hopelessly destroyed.
along with his flippant, careless and toxic response to the pandemic, it will be generations of working through this. our lives will never be the same because we now know the truth about who we really are...
@@pastelartguys3161 well said!
The quote associated with PT Barnum comes to mind.
"There's sucker born every minute".
For some people thats a tragedy, others are made filthy rich by it.
Seems theres an audience willing to suck up to any lie.
'Credulous ,Credulous, Credulous....'
Its a growing whisper spreading
on the wind during this age of social media.
I sense our biggest challenges concerning this are still ahead of us
The "pure ponorgraphy of attention" indeed. Sam is right on all counts (IMHO).
I appreciate that Sam isn't onto hyperbolic rhetoric
Lex, you seem like a thoughtful person etc.. What are you doing here, exactly? Do you really need someone to tell you how dangerously insane trump is. Let alone Sam. WTF?
Been that way forever. I stopped listening mid way through 2016 because I couldn't stand the constant fawning over Trump. Otherwise, been a fan of Lex, but can't square falling for such an obvious danger to this country.
You probably need to take a step back and think about how if half the country likes Trump, it's very important that they hear conversations like this one, especially since it's a much richer point of view than the one-sided garbage people spew in the media.
Lex does same re Elon
@@cosmocalisse "Half the country" is not accurate at all. Only half of the Americans who are eligible to vote, vote.
Of that half of the population, less than half voted for trump. He never won the popular vote.
So, if every voting republican was 100% in love with trump, it would only be about 25% of the population.
I would argue that half of the republican voters are not happy with trump and would rather have someone else conducting the same policies.
That would mean about 12% of the country "likes" trump. Certainly not half.
And that doesn't include people who are either ineligible to vote or too young to vote, only the eligible voting population.
So technically, it would be
He's playing devil's advocate for the sake of discussion
Sam is the most measured, sober minded, poignant intellectual I’ve heard on our current state of the world in a very long time.
Trillions in tax breaks for the most wealthy in America . When America was great they paid their fair share. i am done with lex he is just another sycophant.
he's amazingly intelligent.
Hes a dunce.
Christopher hitchens and sam harris are my biggest intellectual role modes
Lex, quit defending Trump. You can't make a conman into a conservative hero.
Why do you call him a conman?
@@thevaccinator666 Trump University. Trump Network. Trump Foundation, all scams, all out of business. Please google it, it's just history
Sam Harris is the best intellectual of all times. He is grounded in common sense and he expresses himself with dignity, integrity, and intelligence, like no one else can.
7 minutes in and all of this seems reasonable from both perspectives. Trump is definitely missing moral and psychological tools. I’ll assume based on the comments that I’m the only person who agrees with that assessment. Interesting.
It's just like saying the sky is blue dude. It's just sad to see how susceptible so many Americans were to this obvious and pathetically insecure con man. Sad! The movie Ideocracy was soooooo prophetic.
@@davearbuthnot5809 - because Biden/Obama is better somehow? How?
Yeah I don’t get the comment section. I have been watching all the Sam clips and it’s the same thing. They all can’t be bots right
@scoobihu1090 okay, but they actually like him. They’re not saying he’s awful and that he’s going to destroy everything. They think he’s doing a wonderful job making america great. And plus it’s not “broken beyond repair” you can literally vote someone in you actually agree with rather than someone you simply think will destroy it all. Like if that’s what you think that’s just an objectively bad strategy.
Everyone’s lives were better when he was President. Low taxes, low gas prices, no new wars.
Ever notice that Lex never asks for empathy from those on the right?
Noticed!!
Yes.
Freedom and liberty are a form of empathy. The right already donates far more to charity volintarily. While the left lives to use the goverments monopy on force to express their "empathy" and "aultism" .
Because he has no empathy himself
How can institutions not get corrupted if we allow corrupt people to pick the people who are in charge of them.
At the Hunter laptop point of the interview, there is a point to be made about how our society views private life and public life. Much like the Clintons, the Bidens have been in politics for 50+ years, and you don't succeed in that culture without undergoing extreme scrutiny. The smallest failing becomes frontpage fodder. As a private citizen, however, you can avoid all that and simply burnish a public image without fear of your personal life being exposed by anyone but the Paparazzi. This is why most celebrities avoid politics. Trump worked tirelessly for decades burnishing just such a superficial image from the safety of private life. The instant he threw his hat in the ring, that changed for him. His true character and his past would inevitably catch up with him. Like Icarus, he flew higher and higher, until he flew too close to the sun. The problem of corruption in politics isn't something that you can nail down on a single person, because it's deeply cultural and the media only shows the surface.
Very sound analysis. That's why most Hollywood actors and pro athletes keep their mouths shut. They could lose everything they have. And you make a great point that Trump was able to fly under the radar of scrutiny for decades because people thought he was just a clown, like people initially thought of Hitler.
I love how unbelievably accurate and level headed his assessment is and people still are just commenting negative shit. Did you even listen????
not at any stage during this part or any part of the podcast did he recognise the potential for his own biases or blind spots on every issue he has touched over the last 5 years (btw he has been wrong on numerous stances and that fact makes this all the more insane. his self admiration is 'trumped' only by donald himself)
Take it from someone who was a Sam Harris fanatic for 9 years and who never liked Trump pre 2016…..Sam has a massive blindspot regarding his assessment of Trump and Trump supporters and Trump defenders. He straw man’s the shit out of all of it. You can listen to the podcast he did in 2015 were the cracks in his brain slowly formed. I think it was with Paul Bloom but i may he wrong.
@@camcunningham9443 Not really. He literallly admitted that government is usually corrupt and that’s why people voted for trump because they wanted someone that wasn’t a career politician. That’s literally a fact. But we all know trump is a narcissist whether your e a fan of him or not. Sam’s view of trump is the fairest I’ve seen so far from someone that isn’t on his side lmao.
@@SP7000SP i don't waste more oxygen than necessary on people who talk like you
They don’t listen at all. They simply can’t get past the fact that someone doesn’t like their hero, Trump. It’s a shame. Same repetitive, boring strawman arguments and ad hominems in every comment section.
Sam makes very cogent , articulate , nuanced and reasoned arguments................ that will be totally lost on the very people who should be listening the most.
Not really. He just called trump names. No basis for it.
@@billyb4790
Case in point.
@@ImperfectlyPerfect33 name calling isn't lost on me. I mastered that in the 2nd grade. Perhaps you're the one who needs to brush up on what a "reasoned argument" is.
@@billyb4790
We must be talking about 2 different videos because I believe Sam didn’t just call trump names, he summed up what and who trump is. Did you miss all that? What am I asking you that for? You and the rest of the trump supporters see trump as a saint, the best president we’ve ever had and not guilty of any of the things he’s being accused of.
Let’s just agree to strongly disagree because I won’t debate this with someone who Sam described perfectly as to what kind of people support trump. I don’t blame you for being in denial, you and your cult leader are an embarrassment to our country.
It's very easily to sway people who believe themselves to be intelligent by using elevated wordplay, and genuinely intelligent person sees through it and sees how juvenile it is
Had no real idea *who* Sam Harris was before this (and I guess I still don't), only that I knew he was quite divisive online. He's very articulate and quite logical in this conversation at least, and it's a bit saddening to see what portion of Lex's audience disliked this video given how measured the whole conversation was. I don't think pretty much anything he's saying is wrong, in a factual sense, and I guess it just leaves me a bit bummed that such a large percentage of this audience is upset about this.
Lex wants to view every person with some empathy, I can respect that since there very little of that going around. The problem is even if you should have empathy for a criminal, a person's sense of empathy should side with the victims over the criminal. Otherwise we're missing what true justice is.
Morality has a side and so does integrity...not blind adherence to a belief - that's dogma. I'm talking about something much easier to understand. Lex engages in the same BS that Joe Rogan and countless others due where they launch into these false equivalency justifications about everything they do or what others say even when they know it is wrong; it's almost always done for views, money, etceteras. Honorable men and women realize this. That doesn't mean we have to agree with everything someone says.
I truly believe that destructive sociopaths do not deserve empathy. You can recognize what they are, and sort of thank whatever thing you are spiritual towards that you aren’t that person. But when people actively and overtly seek to harm and make other people suffer, and they have no experience with possessing a conscience, then they just do not deserve it back. I don’t know how else to say that. I don’t think people who are truly at the bottom in terms of antisocial behavior have any hope of improving. Trump and people like him, especially nearing their age in anyway, are never gonna get better. They’re never gonna turn the page or really get past the place they’ve come to. They just wither away and then they die.
@@MrWorldasmaya Lex tries to prop himself up as some kind of "intellectual podcaster" as opposed to Rogan's conspiracy theory podcast show --- but he's very weak when it comes to analyzing underlying themes and core tenents of the subject matter he's talking about --- he keeps defending Trump but fails to see the vast immorality of a lifelong crook and fraudster the sinister intentions of the MAGA Swamp
Lex and Joe, to your point, use false equivalency. But additionally, they are both pretty empathic and while I find that honorable, the truth is, they're speaking to millions of people. Many of whom that do not have the faculties to parse put what is what. People that think Joe is qualified to comment on astrophysics, virology or any other deep science. So, they want to hear the other side of the story l, but then take it too far and Lex prides himself on not pushing back hard because of his caring, empathetic style. And the average intellect gets very confused.
there is literally nothing good about trump. therein lies the problem. he has no empathy for anyone or anything... he cares solely for himself and his gratification, which typically comes at the expense of others.
I was a former Trump voter and can admit I got duped by mountains of propaganda. The thing is most of his voters are good people but the propaganda machine is too strong.
No, sorry, they are not good people. If they aren't racists, they are racist tolerant. If they aren't liars, they are liar tolerant. If they aren't cheaters, they are cheater tolerant. If they aren't corrupt, they are corruption tolerant. If they are not traitors, they are traitor tolerant. Lots of MAGAs like him just because he's nasty. Not good..
@@---Dana---- I don't think you could scream I'm an empty headed lunatic louder than you did there. Well done!
And there’s not a mountain of propaganda coming from the Left?
Good in what way? Good providers, mothers, fathers, Christians, citizens, patriots? Trump appealed to the parts of the tribal, reptilian brain that fears and hates the success of the others. As if other's gains were proportional to your losses (or perceived losses). I'm heartened by your self awareness but see no convincing evidence that the majority of true believers share your epiphany. Many of my family members fell for the outsider myth and now are reticent to speak about him at all. Now it's Biden bashing, trying to equate, with little success, the failures of the current administration with the unmitigated disasters of the previous. I don't believe the current political debate is an education opportunity for Republicans in general, I tell Trump apologists to vote their conscience and I will do the same.
I would rather have the propaganda of Trump than the outright destruction coming from Biden and the radical left.
I f**king appreciate Sam's reasoning on this episode. I'm so glad there are famous rational people
There's at least one.
You would think there’s more😉🤣😯
LMAO😂
And the Sam haters are random schmucks on UA-cam who haven't achieved what Sam has.
@Conn30Mtenor Replace Sam with any famous intellectual that leans conservative and find a mirror?
Trump is the _"elite"_ - I don't understand how anyone that is even just slightly honest and a bit rational doesn't know this. This just baffles me.
what I'd like to see is someone as competent and articulate as Sam Harris be able to communicate to the Trump supporter in their own language and be persuasive enough to disillusion them.
It's easier to fool a man than to convince them that they have been fooled.
This !!!
Don't you mean "disabuse" them..... of the perception that Trump is qualified....... ?
@@warrenallsopp either works
That question Sam asked at the end there (even though it was about the Middle East) is really at the heart of the crises facing America now. What do we do when up to half of the populace is so misinformed and deranged and ideologically driven that they fundamentally have a different culture and vision of what America is and stands for? Since we do rely on norms to hold the nation together what happens when the norms disintegrate? What happens when democracy becomes the impediment to the "power at all costs" mentality on the right? Are civil war and secession inevitable?
Yeah Trumps plan was never to eliminate the establishment, the military industrial complex, or the deep state. It was to co-opt them and bend them utterly to his will to do the bidding of his brand of elitism. Very much like what Putin has done in Russia.
"What do we do when up to half of the populace is so misinformed and deranged and ideologically..." -- Why don't you get out of your bubble and take a look at your half of the population and admit to their derangement? The current president is a pathological liar and people like you show your ignorance with the comment you made.
I think our political system of checks and balances could take care of trump and his ilk. If it doesn't then we will need to work on our constitution in order keep fascists from toppling our countries government.
And we should not see major legislation change every four years because one party stacks the supreme court.
"...the "power at all costs" mentality on the right"? Did you mean the left?
@@fgb3126nope. He meant the right, as in MAGA.
Sorry but having any plan other than "I get to be the center of attention" is giving him far too much credit. Trump has indeed never in his life strung together 3 consecutive sentences on the same topic or without invoking himself in a non sequitur..
Sam Harris has read my mind and spoke so eloquently the truth of the matter. So many will never understand or even care to understand.
Exactly - although Sam can sometimes put his foot in his mouth, if you hear out the depth of his positions, they are always well-reasoned, articulate, and most often objectively correct.
How so many people doesn't see Trump the same way Sam does will never cease to baffle me. The man is just so blatantly contemptible.
Lex's attempts to defend Trump are so ... pitiful. You can see on his face how anguished he is that his feeble rationalizations keep being dismantled by Harris.
Read your mind? You should go on the podcast then. Are you famous?
@@user-zz5je1ry1o only in my mind am I famous
@@GiuseppeSan "if you hear out the depth of his positions, they are always well-reasoned, articulate, and most often objectively correct. " - like this one here: ua-cam.com/video/fBfLEsmPXdY/v-deo.html
do you believe we all should see Trump as sam Harris?? and have a similar opinion??
whats your thought on the video I put here?
To understand Trump's followers investigate Theordore Adorno's The Authoritarian Personality. Adorno was a Herman Jew and part of the Frankfurt school. He wisely got out of Hermany and emigrated to the US. After the war, American Jewish groups asked him to explain the Holocaust from a social psychology perspective.
The thinking was to try and understand if another Holocaust could happen in the US. Adorno came up with the Authoritarian Follower psychological profile. This is the type of person that would follow a Hitler type and be hostile to their leaders enemies.
John Dean in his book Conservatives Without Conscience says that the GOP paid $billions to think tanks after the beating they took after Nixon and Vietnam. The advice they got was to ad all of the authoritarian followers into the GOP. This is about 25 percent of the population. Evangelicals are authoritarian followers too. The GOP courted them by promising to overturn Roe. Now that Roe has been overturned the GOP is going after LGBTQI to jeep evangelicals riles up.
The GOP has a solid base of authoritarian followers but their overall numbers are declining. Look at MAGA as the last gasp for the GOP. It is either Trump and fascism or the party has nowhere left to go.
What Harris is saying about Trump could also have been said about Nixon in 1960. Nixon was incompetent also. Moreover, in 2015 -- which Harris is strangely ignoring -- things were very different. Sure, in hindsight, Trump is/has always been mentally defective. But, in 2015, millions of Americans hated Hillary Clinton, did not like what they were seeing in the news coming from the Left (Evergreen College), thought political correctness was sheer idiocy, and were terrified of AOC and Ilhan Omar. We were also hearing on Fox News that the left would destroy America. THAT'S the reason people voted for Trump; he definitely seemed the lesser of two evils.
Of course, it didn't work out (to say the least). Trump fumbled the ball badly and did virtually nothing he said he would do except get the DAPL finished. He didn't bring back a single job from China as he promised. He was wrong on a lot of things.
Wow… Trumpism has definitely broken millions of brains… but Sam’s wasn’t one of them. He is spot on…
You are trying to bait him into a gotcha so hard and you failed everytime
Just look to Germany in the 1930s or Italy in the 1920s to understand the Trump phenomenon. Western society has changed less than we tend to think. Scary.
Frightening. Especially when he is quoting from Mein Kampf. He seems to think Americans are stupid when he repeats others thoughts. He's not that intelligent he just studies that book and even admitted over 20 yrs ago he had it on his nightstand.
We are still really just a different version of monkeys that wear clothes and have learned to talk. We have not evolved much. Enlightenment is a stretch for us.
It's funny how you only see the people upset about fraud claims are the ones that screamed it for 4 years prior.
I guess his questions lead to Sam giving precise answers to topis the public migh want aswered but they're some of the lamest Ive ever heard come out of Lex's mouth.
Great discussion. I'm just afraid that we're living in a world of sociopaths like Trump who infect others with their sickness.
Try looking in the mirror.
really??
ua-cam.com/video/fBfLEsmPXdY/v-deo.html - who is the sociopaths here??
should be carefull with you are against with
I absolutely blame the American people for Trump. Who elected him? Who else should we have animosity for? Unfortunately, we have a system where the presidential candidate with the most votes loses.
Lex literally gets his opinions about Trump from shitty 4chan memes.
Not a fan of lex’s take
Empathy for Trump. Wtf?
@@roddyboethius1722 Trump has used up any empathy or goodwill that was allotted to him. He’s an objectively bad man. It’s been a legit year since I watched Friedman, I’m sick of his poor judgement and naivety.
@@jackcorbin6757 💯
The problem here is not what is believed. The problem is that their beliefs are based on and subject to the changing rantings of a maniacal politician.
At the 17:10 mark, "entertaining ourselves to death". Harris comes very close to quoting the title of the book, Amusing Ourselves to Death: public discourse in the age of showbusiness (1985). Neil Postman's excellent book is more relevant now than it's ever been.
infinite jest
He has probably read the book, it’s amazing.
Bullseye on Trump
Back of his head
I guess Lex knows his audience, despite protestations about avoiding any feedback whatsoever. At least now we know he's a dishonest broker. The idea he'd ever push back on purely rightwing culture war nonsense to the same extent he simps for Trump here is absolutely unthinkable. Not much of a fan of Sam Harris but he's certainly constructed good arguments here, whether you agree with them or not.
thank you, exactly
Apotheosis of this simping is on the pod with Jeremy Suri, I think the title of the video is "jan 6 was a big deal". I was astounded at claims that Lex was making. This wasn't just "playing devils advocate" it's pure audience capture.
Exactly right. Unfortunately Lex got caught up in the Joe Rogan bro circlejerk. It's funny because lex and his accomplices complain about the mainstream media when they show bias for one side, and then proceed to repeat the exact same behavior. With all the bragging they do about how big Joe Rogan s audience is compared to CNN that they'd figure it out; they ARE the mainstream media now. The contrarianism and conspiracy theories are just the sugar that makes the medicine go down.
if you take issue with Sam Harris you should really listen to more of him. The man is a genius of our time and one of the great orators. Ignorant people dislike Sam for reasons they can't articulate. Sane, rational, intelligent actors love him, and for good reason.
Trump is an NYC Con-Man. Honestly, any other label is second to that.
Hats off to Sam Harris to remain zen-like through this incompetent and boring line of questioning.
Lex is just not good at talking politics and he doesn’t have a good grasp of American history. He should stick to science focused interviews. Saying trump would “shake up the elitist system” is laughable. What exactly about trump is not elitist? His daddy gave him millions of dollars, bought his way into an Ivy League school, never had a real job, was a draft dodger because daddy paid for a medical excuse. I will never comprehend why so many people think this guy is some kind of champion of the working class.
He said years ago he could shoot somebody in the middle of the street and not lose his supporters. Fox came right out and admitted to helping trump fool them with stolen election lies.....and yet, they are ready for more. Sam is right to be concerned. Something is very wrong in the USA.
I believe Lex is good hearted, but his foundational experience has been with the Russian government, which skews his evaluation of the American system. He automatically assumes there are parallels which may or may not exist.
I know when MAGA people believe he will serve on their behave just because he eats KFC( on his private plane). How can people so blind and being fooled by a well know con man openly grifting them?
Lex needs to hit the books. Seems out of his depth in politics and history. Trump is a total con artist.
Agree.
I've known of the vileness that IS the aberration known as #45 since the mid-1970's.
I've never heard someone use the word "empathy" so frequently while simultaneously failing to correctly apply it
« It says a lot about our society to have a man of that character gets to that level of leadership « that’s what I have been saying about the leaders in my country 🤒
Thank god we woke up and elected dementia Joe
@@casualobserver2380Thank god we fired dementia Don, the traitor and fascist.
@@casualobserver2380hes doing so much better than Trump. Cry about it.
@@casualobserver2380you obviously dont understand dementia...
Sam is that rare being, an extremely smart person who is very compassionate
Not so rare. In fact, intelligence is most likely to lead to empathy and compassion.
You have to be smart to be compassionate. Smart enough to understand that as and when we were born, all of us were both innocent and equal.
LOL. He's a narcissist.
I think he lacks compassion entirely. Incredibly unlikeable.
So is Richard Dawkins
Very, powerfull and insightful. From Sam's lips to America's ears. Please continue to believe in our country. We are all still trying to figure this out. "Together is better."
You don’t just get to trash millions of people and then say “together is better”. You lost us and now you are on your own. To build, to save lives and most importantly to fight wars. We will no longer give our lives and damage our families to provide you with the space and freedom to shit atop our heads. Good luck and try doing some pushups. You’ll need some upper body strength.
Is it, though? Is it really? I have lost so much respect for these people. I feel like they can't be trusted to make good decisions or consider the good of the many and I really don't feel confident that they can hold on to their integrity or consider the best interest of others going forward
You’re talking about Trump, aren’t you?
@@stephanhansen5931
I'm talking about Trump and his cult members
This was a year ago and yet still spot on…Lex might be playing devils advocate but he still seems to have loyalty to his motherland. Any advocating for Trump makes Putin smile because it strengthens a US autocratic/cult movement that weakens the UN 🇺🇳
Lex, it's easy.
Just say "I was wrong."
About what?
The issue with the people who have supported Trump is that he is absolutely the wrong answer to many of the right questions they're wanting answers to....but many of his supporters are so desperate to get answers to those questions that there's nothing they won't tolerate, including existential risks to the breakdown of rule of law and basic democratic procedure, to get any answer to their questions. Additionally, there is a highly non-zero number of his supporters who are actually not equipped to assess the right answers to those questions and even less equipped to assess their own abilities or lack thereof to assess those answers.
Hum, you might answer some of my questions. I often wonder why those people voted against their own well-being as Trump’s and GOP’s policies are totally opposite of what will benefit those voters. I am just a curious and concerned Canadian.
@@freedomlife3623 That's been a puzzler in the US for the entire history of the country. Our own Civil War is a perfect embodiment of your question...one can hardly fathom what was going on in the mind of the typical VOLUNTEER infantryman in the southern army....poor, probably just a generation or two in his own family removed from indentured servitude, extremely unlikely to have owned slaves and in fact for the few agricultural products that he was able to harvest beyond his own subsistence needs actually competed against the products produced by the large plantations which were run by slave labor...and yet, the wealthy elites in the south were able to convince these poor, but easily agitated fools that the fight to protect slavery was their fight, getting hundreds of thousands of their poor, white neighbors to eagerly sign up to become cannon fodder, and sending tens of thousands of them to their deaths, to protect the lifestyle of the wealthy southern slaveowners. It's truly a puzzle but you see a lot of the same dynamics in today's GOP, with the use of moral panics and outrage motivating so many undereducated and ill-informed Americans to essentially cut taxes and regulation for the benefit of the most well off Americans. Truly, a puzzler.
@Freedom Life I hope you don't mind my interjection, but as humans have a tendency towards selfishness, a degree of which is associated with our base instincts for survival, I truly believe that politics can be boiled to its essence, which can best be described with the phrase "follow the money."
In order for the elite to maintain (i.e., increase) their wealth and power, the propaganziation of the masses is essential. The objective is to keep them fighting amongst themselves, and it is largely accomplished via state sponsored media. Fox News and the MAGA movement are good examples. Hitler did the same with the German people in the 1930s - millions of people were convinced that he was doing right by them. That is largely where the Trump and Hitler comparisons end because, as Sam Harris stated, Trump has no ideology beyond serving the ego. Honestly, I believe Trump was/is probably a greater threat than Hitler when you consider his climate policies and access to nuclear weapons, if not his complete incompetence and ignorance.
Still, their accomplishments were dependent on convincing millions of people to support policies that were detrimental to their self-interests. It is proof positive that anyone can be propagandized if they are repeatedly lied to long enough. These people are angry after experiencing 40+ years of increasing inequality and an unprecedented distribution of wealth from the working class to the elite. They want someone to blame, but they are barking up the wrong tree, so to speak, as the real enemy are the wealthy and powerful. Until they figure this out and direct their ire upward, nothing will change for the better.
That is the $500 billion question: how do we effectively shield people from the constant barrage of misinformation that is perpetuated by the elite?
However, I disagree with Lex and Sam about one thing - I think Trump has revealed just how strong our institutions actually are. Yes, there are definitely weaknesses that could be exploited by someone who has more wherwithal than Trump, but in the end, our democratic institutions withstood a coordinated assault by the most powerful network of people on the planet who exhausted all attempts to dismantle it.
The same can be said regarding Hitler and the Nazis. In the end, humans tend to follow their better angels.
@@nlabanokgood points...but remember those weren't highly educated men and they were told the north wanted to destroy them..I doubt they signed up to defend slavery because in today's dollars a single slave would cost a quarter million bucks...only the richest could buy slaves
Worship of Trump , has clearly become a cult, after seeing the people clamoring to put his half eaten pizza in their mouth, I mean , it's clearly a cult .
Supreme irony in the fact that Trump, as devoid of redeeming moral value as Harris claims, should be the one to break him. It's never been Sam's evaluation of the man that led him to the fringes, but rather what he's claimed is acceptable to sacrifice in bringing him down.
What good qualities are there ? All the good people Trump had around him trying to teach him, he fired, because he was not capable of learning. It's like Bob Woodward said, he was unfit, mentally. He is an actor, period.
Just remember Hitler failed the first time around too.
Well he failed the second time too he just took a lot of people down with him. But I get your point. He succeeded in installing fascism in a previously fairly liberal democracy. This is where America is headed...no matter who they get to do it.
Scary thought. Even if he does lose he taught others what to do. Shore up our Constitution!
@@beckydavis1820I try to be as open minded as possible, but open-mindedness is no excuse to fail to make necessary moral judgements. I used to think Trump was a big clown. I will even agree that the mainstream media was unfair to him in certain ways. But his speech has grown even more unhinged and Angry recently. I really believe that Trump winning will be the end of this country.
This guy Lex was twisting himself into a pretzel to defend Trump. I could literally hear his bones cracking.
that was just your 2 brain cells rubbing together
If people wanted to change government, they had their chance with Bernie. As America has shown, they simply didn't deserve him
Send this Pod Cast to any of your friends you know or suspect whom will vote for Trump in 2024. unfortunately Trump supporters are obviously less informed of his incompetence than the rest of us.
This interview was quite embarrassing for Lex.
No it wasn't
@johnnastrom9400 the vast consensus is that it was, and his base is more conservative than liberal so that's saying something
Sam just broke Lex's brain. Never gave an inch to the guy's bogosity.
“Bogosity” is such a perfect word that I just learned today. I can’t believe I’ve gone 68 years without hearing it before. 🤣
@@kjmorleybogosity. New word and same age.
Instead of argument, you go straight to ad hominem. You're mediocrity.
Lex is a stupid bore.
He keeps saying he has compassion and empathy for people who voted for Trump but then he can't fathom a reason why people would vote for him other than being overworked and too stressed to have the bandwidth to understand. He couldn't care less about anything Trump says or puts out in policy he just see him as evil.
He says he doesn’t see him as evil, so no he isn’t saying that 🙄
This reveals some real vulnerability in Lex's judgement.
Trump's policy: Why tell the truth when lies serve my purpose better?
LOL!!! Have you taken a look at what the current administration has done in the last 2.5 years? You are just as brainwashed as the Trump crowd.
"The clown car that was the Four Seasons Landscaping." Just love how he concisely paints a picture for us.
Some people from Latin America, can take an airplane (one way only), and stay in the United States living without the American Citizenship for months or even years, so building the wall does not have much sense.
Good qualities of Trump? Come on Lex.
First 60 seconds of exposure to Trump is more than sufficient to know Trump is human sewage. And a waste of oxygen that can better be used by bacteria to digest sewage. ---- I grew up in New York (upstate a little from the city). Maybe measuring people FAST is a skill you learn young when con-men are everywhere trying to sell you something.
New York is a cesspool. How could you tell the difference?
You don't fix a corrupt system by putting in charge of it an even more grossly corrupt person.
One question: why is Trump there? Why does someone with the moral shortcomings as Trump get a chance at being President? We are at risk discussing Trump, but not the root cause.
Respecting Trump for disrupting the system is like thanking the drunk driver who almost killed your child in an accident for having caused more stringent laws on drunk driving.
But did he die tho
@@JMartinJ But that drunk driver is still going to jail tho