LIVE STREAM: Superior Drummer 3 w/ E-Drums - Session 2
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Superior Drummer 3 & E-Drums - Live Stream Session 2
Superior Drummer 3 Drum Tab Sound Design Elements:
00:00 Pre-Stream
04:57 Introduction
07:26 Live Stream Outline
09:00 TD30 Log vs Loud Settings
11:30 Legacy of Rock SDX Performance Example
14:39 Drum Tab Parameter Arrangement
17:25 Level
22:38 Envelope
29:15 Tuning
37:40 Pitch FX
40:45 Velocity Gate
46:05 Velocity Curve - Kick Drum
50:19 Velocity Curve - Snare Drum
59:24 Soft Hit Level
1:01:23 Smoothing
1:13:33 Layer Control
1:21:17 Cymbal Choke - Mute Tail Control
1:24:45 Tracking In Superior Drummer 3
1:30:03 RAM Management - 16 Bit vs 24 Bit Mode
1:33:15 Pre-Loading Superior Drummer 3 Libraries - Розваги
Hey Luke, I hope all is well with you and family! First let me thank you again for these sessions man. Thanks to you I am also a proud owner of a Jobeky kit now to pair with my SD3 software. Man what a difference in trigger sensitivity from my VDrum kit, so thanks for that as well!
I don't even know if you still read comments for these sessions but it's a great source for information so I thought I would try. I am trying to learn and really dive deep into SD3 now especially since the purchase of my Jobeky kit.This question pertains to the adjustments made to the area to the right in the drums tab.
If I've made changes to a default kit and give the kit a new name and save it, I can recall that kit with the changes. Now when I change the settings in the area to the right on the drums tab, and I save that particular kit again, it saves the settings for that particular preset, (ie. drum kit) right? Can those settings be saved independently then be recalled somehow to be added to a different preset (ie. drum kit) in the same library to get a jump on tweaking a new preset? Sorry for this being so long, I hope you can understand what I'm asking! Also do YOU have any other videos for training or maybe your settings in the core library? I want to be able to manipulate SD3 like you, lol.
Thanks agin,
George
Thank you, glad you found the sessions helpful!
If I'm following your question, you'd like to take the parameter settings from the Superior Drummer 3 Drums tab that you've built and saved into a User Preset, and quickly apply that to another preset/kit within that library so you don't have to configure it all again. My suggestions to accomplish this is once you've saved a User Preset that contains all the Parameter settings within the Drums tab that you want, navigate to the preset you'd like to load while maintaining your Parameter settings. Don't fully load the preset, but instead choose the "Select Parts" from the preset selection dropdown (to the right of the preset name).
This allows you to choose what you want to load. You'll want to check the "Load only drum kit" box. You could also choose to load the Mixer settings and Macro settings for the new preset, or keep the mixer/macro settings for the user preset you've created. What this will do is load up the kit from the preset (and mixer/macro settings if you choose to do so) while maintaining all your Parameter Box configuration settings, including any Instrument Stacks.
Here's a tip: If you want to load a "clean kit", meaning a kit within a library with no settings at all, but still apply your Parameter configuration settings, in the Default preset for a library, choose one of the "Drum Kits" Part Preset configurations at the bottom of the preset menu. This will load a default kit configuration. Save that kit in it's default state as a User Preset. Then, you can go back to your User Preset with the Parameter settings you've configured, and use the "Select Parts" function as described above within the new "clean kit" preset you just created to load the clean kit of your choice, while maintaining your Parameter box settings. Note that some libraries already have Clean Kit presets to begin with (like the Superior Drummer 3 core library) so you can just use those for your clean kit starting points.
Another tip is you can configure and save specific settings within each Parameter box itself if you only want to load specific configurations and use them across different libraries.
Hope this helps!
Thank you so much for responding Luke, I really appreciate you man for what you are doing and sharing. I will try these tips you’ve suggested.
GOD bless you.and family!
✌🏿
Thank you to everyone who attended the live stream! I have a lot of questions to go through, but if you have more questions or want to post them again, feel free to comment here and I'll do my best to get to them.
This is an amazing livestream. Shame I cannot watch it all live (I did the first one) as I am in Australia and it is at 9.00am local time. I have been through your entire Groove 3 Superior Drummer tutorial series and this is excellent however the livestreams you are now doing go into so much more practical detail and it really helps to hear the real world application. It is also great to see I am on the right track in most cases and even better to see some other tricks and tips that will help me. Looking forward to seeing the rest and would encourage an extra session (or two !) if needed rather than cutting short on any content - I am sure everyone who is watching is totally captivated in how great your drum sound is and the level of detail you have put in to achieve it - and now you are passing that on to us all. Anyone using SD3 and particularly those of us who are e-drummers will benefit from your excellent livestreams. AWESOME !! cheers, Andrew
@@ondp4678 spot on man
Pretty much the perfect series on the issue, would have helped a lot even with in-module sounds of my TD-4... fifteen years back or so. Practicing is possible without fiddling around, but there isn't really much of a point if you can't replicate some sort of dynamics. This video makes one thing very clear: there is no way around adjusting your e-kit. There just isn't, much like acoustic sets require tuning and screwing and taping and muffling - sure, you can just flail away, but at what price?
You can't have a good mix if you don't spend the time adjusting either your module or your vsts, no sugarcoating this truth. Good on you for pretty much demystifying anything about the process and implicitly giving people extremely useful advice about dynamics and mixing fundamentals, really good job.
Really appreciate these live sessions. Thank you so much! 👍🏼
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed it!
Luke, thanks so much for doing this, exactly what I needed. As an early subscriber of your channel, I have enjoyed the quality content you continue to put out and very happy to see your continued success.
Thank you, I appreciate the comments and the long time support!
Thank you, thank you for all the info, I spent a couple hours following along with your first session and I'm absolutely excited with the results, I can ghost stroke on the snare (FINALLY) and the toms have much more dynamic control. I also took your advice on the bass drum and now don't have to worry about double trigger.
Thank you for the compliments and very glad to hear it helped!
thanks again, man :-D
it's outstanding how much information you share with us. I really appreciate you taking the time to give in depth answers during the live stream (btw: I think you don't have to apologize for giving long and detailed answers - everybody should be grateful for that) :-) cheers!
Thank you, I really appreciate the compliments and appreciate you're understanding of what goes into a presentation like this and the time it takes to put together this pool of knowledge.
Great video, very informative! I also like the way you teach and make it easy to understand. Thank you so much.
Glad it was helpful!
This is one of the best👍🏾
Appreciate it!
thanks for the lessons, I knew most of it but I did learn a bunch of new things. I have a bouncing question but Ill wait to see if you cover that in the next videos
Glad you enjoyed it! Go ahead and ask your question if you want so I can be sure to try and cover it in an upcoming stream.
@@DrumangleOfficial I use Logic X and I can bounce the stereo track no problem. What I want is to do is bounce the drums as separate audio tracks with all the effects attached. I tried it in SD3 but I just got raw tracks no effects
Jake Adams same question here! I have a TD27 that allows Logic Pro x to have multi channel recording- how can I multi-track record in logic while using SD3!?
Oh yeah that buzz roll smoothing was fantastic. Now I don’t know if I want this or ez drummer. You’re making this really hard for me to decide…lol
So brilliant! Thank you. Would you be able to list your kit and cymbals?
Watch the 1st session
Thanks Hayden!
Thanks, appreciate it! I discuss the kit setup on in my first session as Hayden mentioned, otherwise you can see a detailed list of the drums on my DrumAngle.com website.
Awesome stuff man. What a great resource. I have a very similar set up going on with the edrums and superior through a 27” monitor and a Roland brain etc etc. What is you monitor and audio interface equipment sitting on? Looks tidy. I need something like this. Cheers
I'm using a variety of Gibralter type percussion stands. I have a larger one with a bigger platform, then smaller platforms that hook onto the main platform stand. This gives you a multi-level arrangement that you can use for your computer, module and interfaces. In my setup my iMac, Roland TD 30 module, keyboard and mouse all sit on the larger main platform, while my Roland video controller and audio interfaces sit on the smaller platforms underneath. Hope that helps!
Great session as always! There´s a way to default the voice limit to infinity every time you load SD3? Or just when boucing?
I'll cover some bouncing techniques in one of my upcoming live streams, but there's a way to keep the Voice Limit to default settings (not infinite) in your configuration by default when you open Superior Drummer 3. It's all based on the configuration loaded for that library, so you can set the Voice Limit to infinite in a library of your choice, then save that as the Default Project (File Menu) that loads when you open Superior Drummer 3. The only caveat is that any time you change libraries or presets within a library, you will inadvertently reset the Voice Limit.
Hi Luke I have been following your channel for a long time now. Thanks for your great videos. Especially the last two livestream videos I found very helpful. Thanks for your great expertise.
Maybe you still have time to answer a few questions
In your videos your edrum always looks perfect. You cannot see that there are cables. Can you say or show something about your cable management?
I keep reading that it is not so good to use the TD 30 as an audio interface. Is that really the case? And why is that? You said in your first stream that you did that too and it was okay for you.
You use the Presonos 26c. Where is the advantage for you? And what do you use for live gig?
And the last question: I would watch a video with your live band. Do you have a link there?
Great edrum channel.
Greetings from Germany
Ralf
Thank you, appreciate the compliments and support!
As for my cable management, I try to keep it as clean as possible. But there are a lot of cables under the drums (specifically under the bass drum and floor tom and also under the stands holding my computer and module. I grade all my videos (including the live stream) in a way where it helps to hide some of the cables, so that certainly helps, but if I have time I'll see if I can discuss this in an upcoming live stream. Either that or I may do a studio walkthrough video in the future.
As for using the TD-30 as an audio interface, I never had any issues at all. I'd have to check the latency difference between that and the PreSonus Studio 26c that I'm using now, but I used the TD30 as my audio interface for years and for the majority of my videos. It was not until very recently where I started using the Studio 26c as my audio interface. I purchased that specifically for my live stream setup so I could send stereo channels 1-2 for my Superior Drummer 3 output into my video switcher, while simultaneously sending a signal from EZdrummer 2 to channels 3-4 to feed my Porter and Davies tactile drum throne. The reason I do this is so no matter what libraries and drums I choose in Superior Drummer 3, my drum throne monitor in put is consistent and doesn't change.
Unfortunately we don't have a lot of live footage for our bands, we've been so busy gigging (at least until recently) plus we all have full time jobs, that we just haven't been able to put anything together. If you search UA-cam for "TheInnocenceLive" or "Spencer Hansen", you'll find some content there. Some of it is quite dated but that's what's out there.
I've noticed that the hit and open articulations don't deem to trigger together on the bass drum -vdrums- using KD140. Do you have to layer each articulation and set a velocity gate in order to simulate burying the beater? Thanks! Nice lesson!
Thanks, appreciate it! So in the Toontrack libraries that have both Open and Hit bass drum articulations, you can force the Hit (bass drum burying the beater) to trigger by simply turning off the Open articulation. Otherwise Open will typically trigger by default. You could also use the "Learn" function to quickly remap incoming MIDI from your controller to trigger the Hit articulation instead. You could layer them and use velocity gates, or even stack both together if you want, but the easiest is to just use one or the other, and turn off Open if you want to use the Hit articulation or remap as stated above.
@@DrumangleOfficial Thanks for the excellent response!
Also... I’m using a td-3 Roland drum brain to send midi. Seems to work pretty good and I’m adjusting the sensitivity etc as I go. Would you recommend getting a higher-end drum brain? Or do you think that td-3 will work just fine?
It's really up to you, you can get a lot of response out of lower level drum modules if you spend the time and know what to adjust. However, I do feel that you have a lot more adjustment options on higher end drum modules, along with extra features like positional sensing, rimshots and cymbal choke, all of which translate into a more realistic experience when using Superior Drummer 3.
Hi Luke, that sessions are a great job! Really nice. Could you tell me one thing : Now I use EZD2 with a ton of EZXs. What about those articulation settings: level, pitch, envelope, tuning, smoothing etc. are those available with SD3 using a EZX?
PS: "I love that tamburine!" It's really comforting that there are actually people out there who can be happy about such small things ... :-) Like me. Really cool!
Oh, sorry, I didn't see session 4 so far....
Thanks Manuel for the compliments, appreciate it! I see you found session 4, but to answer your questions, all the Drum Tab features of Superior Drummer 3 are applicable to EZX libraries, which is another advantage to using Superior Drummer 3, regardless of whether you're using SDX or EZX libraries.
These live streams are awesome ! In the first session you used MIDI In/E-Drums settings to alter velocity curve. I have two questions. 1) can this velocity curve have a smooth curve applied and 2) when do you use this velocity curve (versus velocity curve in Drums tab)? The SD3 manual states "If you want to tailor SD3's response to incoming MIDI from E-Drums or a MIDI controller the MIDI In/E-Drums Settings tab should be used instead". In this session you are doing most velocity curve adjustments in the Drums tab. Also does the answer depend on whether using SD3 as standalone or within a DAW ?
Thanks for the feedback!
Question 1: When the curve is applied in the actual E-drum settings, I'm not aware of a Soft Curve settings from there, my understanding is that's available only in the Velocity Curve within the Drum Tab.
Question 2: The answer here is quite subjective in my opinion, and greatly depends on your workflow. I'll give you some scenarios: If you are using an e-drum controller and want to set global velocity curve settings that apply to ALL loaded libraries within Superior Drummer 3 and/or you don't want these velocity curve settings to apply to the internal Grooves engine, you would want to apply Velocity control settings in the E-Drum section.
If you're planning on adjusting Velocity Curve settings differently for each library you load and/or for each individual performance (as I do), you could just adjust Velocity Curve settings on a per library basis in the Drum Tab and save it as a User Preset to recall anytime you want to. You could still set global E-Drum Velocity Curves AND adjust on a per library basis as well, it's up to you. Just keep in mind that Velocity Curve changes within the Drum tab will affect your incoming MIDI from your controller AND the MIDI in the Grooves Tab.
I personally prefer the latter approach. I set my module curve response first, then I'll adjust any E-Drum global Velocity Curves if I want, but I tend to always adjust the Velocity Curve on a per library basis because that gives me the most granular control for the most realistic response for each library. It will also depend on my performance. I may set the Velocity Curve response one way while I play my e-drums, then in the post production process when I'm editing for one of my videos, I may make different velocity curve adjustments so the response is aligned with my performance visually if that makes sense. What I want to hear while I perform may be different from what makes sense for that library based on my performance for the audio to line up with how I played when watching the video performance.
I'll discuss this more in a later live stream, but sometimes I'll perform and record with one library (where I configure the Velocity Curve response for the library and drum selection being used at that time in the Drum tab), and will record a drum performance...then in the editing process I may take that performance and use a completely different library for the video. In those cases, I'll most likely want to adjust the Velocity Curve for the library I end up using for the video, so that's another reason I like adjusting the Velocity Curve response in the Drum Tab. It may seem like more work, but I've gotten so used to it and can make changes really quickly so it's not extra work for me. I enjoy the process of dialing in the response exactly the way I want as well.
Hope that helps!
@@DrumangleOfficial Thanks for taking the time to respond so comprehensively - Helps me greatly. It all makes sense and a fantastic explanation of the pros/cons of each approach. I got around the non smooth curve in E-Drums by drawing my own "curve" with lots of smaller straight lines. I used a smooth curve in the Drums tab and then with the cursor I "plotted" the main areas (in and out values) and then drew my own "curve" with lots of linear points so it appears almost curved and softens the response in the various transition areas. This worked well for me and whilst it took a bit of time to do, I have now have it saved as a preset. Looking forward to your next sessions and thanks again.