Why I Switched From EZ Drummer 3 to Superior Drummer 3..
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
- There's good reasons to use both of these programs, but I want to explain why I chose one over the other (primarily) and why you might prefer EZ Drummer 3 or Superior Drummer 3 for your own workflow.
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0:00 Upgrading from Superior Drummer from Ez Drummer and Why
1:09 What are the differences with EZ Drummer 3?
1:48 Different Drum Tones and Mixers
2:58 Using Songwriting Tools
7:26 What are the difference in Superior Drummer 3?
8:50 Using the tracker
10:09 Mixing drums in Superior Drummer 3
13:13 Layering samples by using stacks
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may i ask how to put drum roll sound in the midi roll? do you need to put 64th notes on the midi (piano) roll, or is there just one key that (like maybe C1 or something) that will play it? sorry noob here.
You can technically do the same in EZdrummer too, you just have to route every drum in EZdrummer to a separate audio track within your DAW. It's a bit time consuming. You can also do this with multiple instances of EZdrummer to be able to layer different kicks and snare. And if you select the "original mix" preset, you get the least processed version so you can go wild with your own mixing. Again, a bit time consuming and not very beginner friendly but it's really nice to have full freedom over you mix.
Yeah, I just route everything individually and then make a few different bus's. EZ3.
That routing takes about 40 seconds in Cubase.
as I understand ez drummer samples are already processed and mix ready so you can route all you want. in SD3 they are what microphones picked up, no processing which is why you want to route them for adding professional plugins.
When I load ez mix it asks me if I want to route each drum to its own track, super easy
for us regular folk this is by far one of the best comparisons ive seen. it really gets to the meat of people or bands working on thier own and what may really help, or hurt what thier doing. thanks for the content.
Very informative and well organized video dude. I also loved your video on how to compose songs with loops using the metronome. I use the sounds from sound packs and the stock plugins in my DAW and it's suitable for me. But your presentation has me thinking about how much fun it would be to have all those beat patterns available and a captivating creatively stimulating GUI.
The amount of power you can obtain with layering, omg. Love this thing.
It's pretty wild how much of a difference it makes.
That's what the pros do
Cool video. Just a quick note, you can really dive in deep with velocities and quantisation in SD3 in the Grid Editor! It's, again, a little more advanced. And SD3 gives extra value to your EZX's because you can now easily add your own flavour (eq's, sat, comp) in the mixer! But, I love 'em both too! Keep it up!
Thanks Taylor! This was super helpful for me in making some better decisions for my skill level. I've purchased more Toontrack products then I care to admit and... yea at times the SDX feels a bit exciting and overwhelming. I'm looking more to work on my writing and demo recording. For now I need to let someone else do the production.
Although I have SD3 and a ton of SDX's I'm going to lean more to using the EZX products to make my demos sound better when shopping for an engineer.
Glad I could help!
Thumbs for the Ducktails reference. Great video!
Man I've been using the Superior Drummer 3 using the Death&Darkness pack, Tue Madsen and Mark Lewis are great. Really love Toontrack stuff!
I haven't used many of the expansions yet, but yeah I really like it so far. There's a lot of really cool stuff in there.
I mostly use SD3 and it's worked great for me even without digging that deep into the settings yet 🤘
Yeah, you don't need to go deep to get great sounds out of it.
I use SD3 love it 🤘🎵
I use EZ drummer 3 paired with a Macbook Air M1 and a Roland TD 27 Drumset and it is an animal!!! such an insane product, the 3 all work seamlessly together, best investment i ever made, thanks for the video.
amazing video! greetings from Chile
Cool Video, EZD3 and SD3 are both awesome.
Totally agree Ez to get things rollin and SD3 to add the icing. New Sub!
Honestly. Good video man. Good side by side showing what is what.
Thank you!
Thank you for making me feel confident that I don't have the ear for percussion yet so EZ Drummer is a great move for me.
I love your videos brother! From one metal head to another, it's so inspiring to see artists at work on UA-cam using the same software that I do. EZ Drummer is made for me. EASY PEASY lol
THanks! Yeah, EZ drummer is still great. I use it still sometimes if I need to start tweaking a groove to fit my specific situation. I think I COULD manually place every midi note, but you definitely get some cool variation, and more "realness" from the built in tools
That ducktales part made me laugh.
I remember playing that on the NES alot.
It says its 235 GB. How are you using this on your Mac? Can you run it on an external hard drive?
Been using ezdrummer for a few years. Upgraded to 3 when it came out. Love the grid editing features. Was a huge addition. But you’re 110% right that ezd3 is mix ready. And that’s the best feature. Because I really don’t know much about all that mixing stuff and I don’t want to screw it up. I too have the modern metal pack. Wil putney has forgotten more about mixing metal than most people will ever know. And I know that I can select one of his presets and it’ll be perfect.
Sd3 means I need to know a lot more than I do. Since I don’t, a wise man once said “a man’s gotta know his limitations”.
Agree 100%
Great video. I will Add on ez drummer there are raw drums in presets and you can also map the midi on ez drummer into separate midi channels in your daw and use your daw plugins to me which is even better than superior plugins. I do like the stack feature in superior. That would be cool if ez drummer had that feature for on the fly. Thanks
Yeah, you can definitely do that if you wanted to seriously mix them.
How do you achieve that with sep midi ch's?
What I learned in this video: Apparently metal drummers hit everything all at once? AND I want that t-shirt!
Question: I have made my own kit with my own MIDI mapping in Superior Drummer 3. But I still want to have the advantage of using the library of beats Superior Drummer comes with. when I preview the beats with my kit selected the mapping is all over the place because the beats use the standard mapping that comes with Superior Drummer. How can I easily tell Superior drummer to just adjust the beat according to my mapping?
I am still using superior drummer 2, is it worth upgrading?
I switched from EZ to S3 when TT upgraded the Metal Machine for S3. Andy Sneap + John Tempesta + the Tama Star Classic in S3, that's perfect.
I agree! I'm using a tweaked Andy Sneap preset now for my go to drum sound and I love it.
Love them both! But Superior Drummer was just a magical upgrade
Get EZ if you want to get stuff done fast because only a fraction of people care about the sound of your drums. Get Superior if you want to make your personal vision of a song happen down to the details of the drumsound. I use EZ in this regard.
The sound of the drums, and ability to design them is arguably the number one most important part of getting a good final mix. People might not understand how important it is, but its massively important
When stacking drum samples don't forget to check the phase as you go
dude. great video. i just purchased ez 3. been using ez 2 for a few years and its a great upgrade. im not ready for superior drummer yet.
I enjoy using Perfect drums. But I am wanting to get ezdrummer 3 in hopes of having an easier time with getting my module to communicate for cymbal chokes and what not. And more toms to play at once.
I would still use perfect drums for additional kick and snare layers.
I used perfect drums FOREVER. I think they are great for having killer mixed drums very easily. And the sample layering is very good! The only thing that sucks, and why I left it is it basically has no songwriting tools.
You can get it for free by pirating it
Do you route your amp heads behind you into Reaper. I am just getting into all this. Do you have a video on routing your amps into Reaper. I am loving Reaper now. Thank you in advance bro. Great video!!
Toontrack makes awesome samples but I've been a really big fan of Ugritone drums. It's not as complex or versatile but they sound great and they're awesome for metal
Yeah, I bought couple of ugritone drums too, but the drum mics(of snare for example) are kinda strange, not always it is clear what they do )
I really like Ugritone for us broke bros wanting more organic drum sounds that can be mixed any way I like.
The urgitone stuff is really cool. I like how they service a demographic that I think no one in that space takes seriously, people who want old school death metal sounds that by todays standards would be "not good". Some of their kits would fit right in on a 90's Morbid Angel album.
The stack feature is the killer function in SD3. You get incredible customization and can make snares exactly as you want them. What I do is use 4 snares stacked. One for the low end, with high cut at maybe 200 Hz. One for mids with low and high cuts so the freq range is like 220-5000 Hz. Then one for the tail i.e. the snare wires with a low cut at maybe 6000 Hz, using only the bottom mic. This gives you an extremly easy method of adjusting the tail length with the envelope on just the wires. And finally one for clickiness with a transient with high attack and low release. Then I change one or several of these "layers" depending on the song.
Do you run into issues with each of your layers having different tunings? With 4 separate samples I can't imagine they all are the same pitch, right?
Ever tried Kvlt drums?
I've bought and used Ugritone, Hertz, Bogren and for some reason... I keep going back to Toontrack. Just something about the UI and the stability of it.
I thought Hertz is good?
@gurumajuindonesia It is. Im talking the performance. Toontrack crushes it in getting up and running.
Great vid; the DuckTales was a nice touch
Haha, glad you liked it.
I use EZ3 to fix the rythm while making the song. When the structure of the song and most parts are done, then I open Superior 3 to start fiddling with the sounds. I need to stay the f#!k away from superior during the songwriting because I always lose focus due to the gazillion options available. ADHD and that many options is a so-so combo. 😅
Let me ask, I'm wondering whether to use ezdrummer3 vs superior drummer 3 from your company Toontrack, I don't know which vst to choose, can you tell me the difference between ezdrummer 3? vs superior drummer 3. I'm very confused!thanks
Any suggestions for Android phone?
Yeah I wanna get ez drummer for me I don't know how to program drums so I use groove packs I bought a bunch of them and I use the urgitone kvlt kit ( 10$) but ez drummer would be perfect. I'm way to new for superior drums lol but it's just insane what software does now
That's the way to do it. Unless you are, or know a drummer with a good electronic kit... but yeah, the grooves and midi packs make it so much easier to write. I used to program everything by hand, and now I'm like 🤦♂️ what was I thinking lol.
@@TaylorDanley yeah my guitarist is also a drummer with an E kit he could do it but I make pretty dope shit with what I got it's hard for me to think like a drummer lol
Does EZ drummer or Superior Drummer do what Logic Pro Virtual Drummer does and create drum beats by listening to the track you make it follow. I am not a drummer, and Logic Pro Drummer provides drums for me by listening to my groove tracks. I can tell Logic Pro drummer to have the snare or kick follow the guitar track, or follow the bass guitar track, etc., and the Logic Pro Drummer will create drum parts. EZ Drummer and Superior drummer seem like just loop based software drums. IS there a feature where EZ Drummer or Superior Drummer can follow certain instrument tracks you tell it to and come up with drum grooves on its own?
The latest EZDrummer version includes a feature called ‘Bandmate’, which was mentioned in this video. I don’t know how it compares with the Logic incarnation but you can drop a wave file into Bandmate and it will come up with a drum track that you can use/abuse and modify as you wish.
I turn down all the ambient mics, crunch, compression within the ezdrummer mixer. I just use close mics and OH mics. Sounds pretty good.
ezd3 for writing/recording, and then ill switch it to SD3 when i go for mixing everything since there are way more options
I still use EZDrummer 2 like a goob.
everyone out there using ez drummer etc,, i use maschine by native instruments to program and sculpt drums into realistic sounding drums... run a legit drum kit sample into a hiphop beat making program and it works better then all the programs put together...
more complex though... now i see the point to these drum programs like ez drummer, but yeah dont forget to challenge yourself kids!
Does superior Drummer have Band Mate? EZDrummer3's Band Mate has been game changing for me and my workflow.
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First off, cause you have the money to switch ! And after you buy it $500 let’s say, get ready for the expansion buyathon.
Lol I had to make due with Drumforge on sale, of course I’m missing the songwriting features in ezDrummer / superior drummer 3 😢😢😢
I actually love the graphical eq in superior drummer (better than the Drumforge knob eq), but it’s definitely missing a clipper !! ( something Drumforge does include) the superior drummer saturation unit simply doesn’t cut it, it’s not the same tone.
15:52 yes! thats the only thing i want
Gotta get slave pcs for the files sizes 😅
I know, they are massive lol
I left the toontrack ecosystem and went to Krimh drums myself
"Meat Stick"
Now i'm intrigued.
Why i switched from fake drums to real session drummers
SD3 was what I used for years until I discovered mixwave, that gojira pack specifically, I like mixwave a little better only for the reason that you can get the raw drum sounds and mix even further than I could with SD3
I bought this plugin around four years ago and have used it but a handful of times. The thing that disappoints me about it is that the kits all seem to have a slant towards Rock and Metal. This is even more apparent in the expansion kits ... I write soul/funk/chill out and some reggae and there's a lot of tweaking required to make any of the kits useable to me. Genuinely disappointed overall.
this is super disappointing to hear cause i was looking forward to getting superior drummer cause i also make more alternative music (not too rockish, and definitely not metal) so ..damn
Maybe try the older sdx ...vintage, indie both sound really good, nonmetallic 😊 ... I actually use ezd3 more, like the songwriter kit and the new ez3 main room (nice yamaha kit) .. try uvi soul drums or ad2 neo soul for r&b?
“Spear drummer 3?” 😨
I would love SD3, but it’s a pricey boi I struggle to justify!
I like Bogren Krimh more than anything so far.
That's a good one as well! I'm just not a huge fan of the Kontakt player.
@@TaylorDanley yes lol
Just use EZdrummer 3 midi output and use Superior drummer 3 for the drum sounds.
I wish i was clever enough to use superior drummer 😭
You are, believe in yourself champ!
@@TaylorDanley love u man 🫡
i stopped buyen toontracks vst 3 daw it didnt show up in any of them nor did superior drummer unlike all my other vst's like ad drums and steven slates
HAHA...I started to sing the DuckTales theme!😆
Ready mix kits are good during the writing process, but I always select the original kit for a multi track mix. Prefer my own drum mix.
MOTO DRUMMER
Damn I wasted my money on ez drummer 3
I don't think so, EZD3 is still awesome!
I find Ezdrummer anything but mix ready. The kicks are GARGANTUAN, everything is massive and there's weird resonances in the kicks, snares, everywhere. But that's only in the copy I bought. Everyone else on the planet seems to be able to use it no worries and their stuff sounds awesome. I must have got a bad copy that's why my stuff sounds like utter trash.
Lol
Hey man one worry i have....did switching to superior drummer cause you to start spending hrs perfecting drums ......? Adding another obsession? I want too just concerned what it will do to me
Because you have more money? :)
SD is a waste of space, you can tweak in ez drummer, you dont really want or need the internal ez drummer mixer, you can even send out more drums to channels with effects side chain etc
Superior Dr3 No have power
Man, I just don’t get metal. It is the most disturbing in audible black nothingness. It’s just not music.
This type of "music" sounds like noise to me. Like a bunch of people beating on shit and trying to figure out how to play guitar but just found cool noises they can make for now...
Great video tho
😂😂🤣🤣
nice sound, disgusting music!
I own both, and really i was shocked when i got SD3. i purchased EZD3 first and just kind of expected a far more expansive version of that. It has taken some time but i am starting to get the hang of shaping the sounds to get exactly what I am looking for. Death and Darkness SDX is a great sdx, btw.
forgot to mention that i do not produce music, i purchased both programs exclusively for e-drums.
I use the death and darkness primarily as well. Great drum sounds!
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