His beginner tone sounded way better than mine, I started on like a 10 dollar amp then moved to a fender champion 20 and would put it on the metal setting and turn everything up to 10 and add a ds1 turned up all the way with a single coil guitar 😭
Same man! I started with a fender mini deluxe amp for 30 bucks and a off brand fender. Now I have a fender champion 50 and the same off brand fender with California 50’s in it
It's fine. All the millennials that learned electric on a 10 watt Frontman are rollng their eyes. You know what we had to make the guitar sound like anything else but clean? We borrowed our uncles Digitech multieffects pedal and it made the guitar sound worse than a keyboard's version of a guitar. Go look at an RP100 review, it's hilarious how bad it is. I would have killed for a katana/HTR/Positive Grid
I can 1 up this. Before guitar, I played bass. I had a Peavy P bass and took a tape deck converter (for cdplayers or mp3 players to work on tape players) I pluged one end into a 1/4 inch adapter and directly into the bass.. and then the other end was a tape, and naturally, I put that in a tape player. And I had to turn the volume WAY up, but it worked. So I played Southtown-POD until my fingers bled. @@destroydestroyer
bullshit. play any sound you want. if you're talented it will become a trend. I am a huge fan of Brian May tone, but was also very influenced by And justice for guitar sound. Uber scooped, with plenty a bass and treble that will damage speaker if too loud. That's far from being what was consider a good tone at that time. but till today, it remain a classic, and influenced a lot of guitar player
I don’t think it should be hard to understand what I mean by a good amp. I mean just any good quality amp that professionals would use (Mesa Boogie, Marshall, Peavey, EVH, etc.) When you are a beginner, you are just starting to learn about gear and it will take a little while to find which amp you like most and your preferred tone. But any experienced guitarist will know that the first example he played sounds like shit, and every beginner starts out doing something like that.
@@ctld5266 they used a Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ and I believe a Marshall speaker cab on And Justice For All. They scooped the mids on that amp because it naturally has a lot of mids. I agree that’s a great tone. But very hard to get that tone.
@@jb_50w78 actually that's not. i got in touch with flemming rasmussen before he post his notes from the recording of puppets and AFJA. On AFJA it's Quad preamp scooping mids on the graph eq @ 750, on simul class power amp, with an eq in the loop scooping @ 1,2khz & boosting @ 120Hz and 4,6Khz.
I've noticed less distortion sounds better when you're playing in a band or on a recording. And often when I play alone, I'll use more distortion. It's more fun to play with, but doesn't always suit the mix. I really like the tones that Ghost uses on their first 3 albums, and they don't use too much distortion. Another example: I far prefer Megadeth's album guitar tones more than Metallica's.
@@xarch7208 definitely not saying Metallica's tones are bad. They have some classic sounds, especially on their classic albums. But I just prefer the extra treble with a bit more mid that Megadeth uses.
@@xarch7208 exactly! That's definitely my favorite Deth album. And then countdown too. I know how to play every song from Rust on guitar. Solos and everything. I'm currently learning all of Countdown. It just kind of sucks, because now it's all I ever want to play. lol
A noise gate isn't what you're supposed to notice my dude. It's the muddy sound first vs the nice n tight sound 2nd. Most newbs wanna crank the lows to get that chest thump when they play solo that you normally get from a bass in an ensemble. It can sound better playing alone, but sounds like muddy trash in the studio mix or live with other instruments that occupy those low frequencies.
@@sickpuppets Both tones don't mean anything. It's useless to compare something outside of the context of the mix. For all you know the first tone could sound better in a certain mix than the other
@A K no. Just no. For all you know, I didn't just download a png of a les paul somewhere online and may have made some actual music. Ive heard all kinds of tones in a mix. At best muddy distorted tones make half decent blues tracks and 90s grunge rythms. Nobody is using that shit today. Now post a link to a "mix" you've made or fuggoff m8
Back when I was a newbie I used to crank the gain and bass way up to get that beefy heavy chug and infinite sustain. After a couple of big gigs and recording experience, the thing has totally changed by now. It's great to see many players with the same problem have improved
Ahh, I remember when I used to play on maximum level of gain on my amp. That was so noisy but gosh, so easy to play. I was thinking that I'm god of guitar, lol. But then I go live and to the studio I was kicked in balls for that ALL THE GAIN bad habbit. My sound was terrible. All these years... Gosh Glad it make me so much better.
And that's exactly why I, sometimes, play with the gain almost completely turned off, the added distortion turned off and the compression down below 100%... (For reference, I put it up to 160% to get something along the lines of AJFA...)
Playing with high gain is much more difficult because all your mistakes translate into noise whereas on a clean channel it's much more subdued. I've never understood why people say high gain covers up mistakes. It does the opposite. When I play on Ana acoustic guitar I can be way more sloppy with my muting but on high gain I can't. Just lifting my finger from the strings makes a noise on my electric guitar with high gain.
@@chrisking6695 well playing with high gain will hide uneven picking and poor legato technique, because everything is compressed so much. So it does cover up mistakes in a way. But yeah at the same time it makes it much harder to avoid unwanted string noise. Just a different way of playing that's arguably easier overall.
Same mate. To be honest though nobody really puts the info out there to get a really good tone. I find that only after 16 years of playing that I have now the ability to get a really good sounding tone because of looking back at what I used to do. People on here just saying simple things like roll back the gain and don’t scoop the mids too much ( it is helpful ) but isn’t the ultimate answer. Obviously so many variables come in to it which no one explains. Like for instance - certain amps have naughty frequencies. Like about 4k on the 5150 for me always needs to be adjusted dependant on how much low end you put in. It is endless as even the guitar your using comes into this. It was using a helix that made me realise how much. Making a mega patch that I spent hours on. Change the guitar and it sounds terrible 🤣 Even having someone else play the exact same guitar on the same patch can change it in a big way. One thing I have discovered which is cool with a helix is to make a tone you like and then try to replicate it closely with a completely different amp and drive pedal on another patch. In the mix you then have similiarity but not the same and then with dual guitar parts you get such a nice fill of the spectrum. I think one thing I definitely always do now is think of tone in the context of a mix and not what I hear when I make a tone for playing in the room. Low end is something that new players struggle with because they don’t realise how many tracks have been layered or how much the bass fills in. We can all of experience say so much more for beginners or people who are struggling I think many just think ah fuck it I spent ages learning my craft to get where I am. We all would have been so much better at it quicker if we got help 🤣
@@TheBanana93 oh yeah absolutely, you get better clarity less interference, like as long as you find a good middle ground you can make it sound heavy as heck without the knob being anywhere past 50%
@@leonardoignaciorodriguezga9667 good is subjective, any specific plugins that you could recommend? Also not much help if you use more analog gear instead of everything digital
@@_lostclub recognizing the song versus knowing exactly what song it is, some say "this sounds familiar" others say "if there was a single moment I could live, a single breath I could take, I'd trade all the others away"
Amp set to crunch, boost with an OD pedal, healthy amount of mids and a strong pick attack. Not easy to play, but that's the sound that's gonna cut and punch. Oh the days of scooped mids and fuzzlike levels of distortion... been there, done that 😅
You kinda got to pay to play unless you use plugins. Good tones come from tube amps. There’s a handful of cheaper rigs that make good tones, but for the most part you gotta pay for a good tone. Try to find a used Peavey 6505 or 6505+, that will get you to where you want to be most likely. First tube I ever bought blew my mind. Cheers dude.
@@Hadouken5150 lmao no,the majority is in the fingers,you cant buy skill,play like shit on a expensive guitar and amp you sound shit,play good on cheap crap it will still sound ok
All it is is hitting the string with a little bit of your thumb and pick in the right spot over the pickups. And playing aggressively helps make them ring out better. Don’t be afraid to really attack the strings when you’re picking especially for pinch harmonics. Best thing is to have a more experienced player show you how to hold the pick and where to pick the string. Plenty of videos cover it too.
I think this is supposed to demonstrate how the beginner because of how amateurish they’re at guitar use more gain and crank their amps up thinking it sounds cool but it’s actually very noisy and all over the place but the pro has a much more well balanced sound and enough gain to where it doesn’t sound like you’re playing through a line 6 spider because they got a better understanding of how to dial in the tones they want
Back then i had just a 10w shitty amp (which i still have), no gain control whatsoever. Then i got a behringer um300 pedal, which doesn't sound really good with that amp and it sounds shitty af plugged in directly to an interface, but at least i had distortion (which i never used since i started playing guitar, like 6-7 years ago). Then i bought a behringer multieffects pedal, which i didn't use that much, and the pitch shifter is just useless. Then i got some tools to plug my guitar to my computer and used bias fx 1-2 for a long time, until i got my zoom g1x four, which its pretty good for the price, and with some equalizers and reverb you can get a somewhat acceptable sound, and it's pretty easy to use too. Edit: i forgot to include that after that i bought a marshall mg10 10w amp, which paired with the zoom g1x four pedal creates a pretty metal tone.
@@aqilasraf If that's what you can afford, yes. If you buy it remember to turn on the "mic" setting on the cabs or else the simulated cabs will not work
*Me for the past 30+ years:* *Gain = 11 / 10 (break knob off)* *Low = 10 / 10* *Mid = 0 / 10* *High = 5 / 10* It has been gorgeous ever since I started this preference. Muddy, yet... clear. So odd. I LOVE it.
So true. That thin tone that appears to lack bottom is intended to sit perfectly in the mix. Begginers and bedroom players tend to over compensate for the fact there is no bassist filling out the sound.
Layer 5 or so tracks with it, it'll be fine. The beginner tone is completely devoid of midrange, the entire band where the guitar sound lives. I think he's just saying not to scoop out all the good stuff.
Summary of what i read from the comments: have a quality amp; have good picking; don't use too much gain, set it lower and boost with overdrive pedal; dont use too much bass; dont scoop the mids too much.
Guys I need help. I don’t have any amps, I only use sims. I’m a complete beginner and very bad at naming things so I’m very confused reading the comment section. Been at this for some weeks and can’t get a decent tone. I have bias fx 2 and guitar rig. What should I do there? All the presets sound like shit and I feel like I’m overdoing it with a lot of effects. I can’t find decent videos explains it either. If anyone could throw me a hand I would be grateful, thanks fellow metalheads 🤘
You reminded me of myself before I bought normal guitar and amp. I used to record my acoustic guitar and thinking that I can doing metal songs with it. In the begining I'm just of course scooped mids, all the gain, the pedal was HM2 alike, no noise gate, no amp, no cab, I didn't understand what is that. And I wondered why it sound like a multiple tornados (in a bad way). Now year after I understood that I can make some doom metal from my acoustic and plugins😁 cause it has no punch. So... Presets doesn't sound like shit, just need to use them properly. Just learn about a simple tone chain. Amp - cab. Amp - pedal - cab (about this one I'm really not sure about placing cab and pedal, you can just switch them) Pedal - amp - cab. Pedal - amp - pedal - cab. Experiment with them.
The MT-2 is NOT a bad pedal. You just have to know how to use it. Hint: running it up front with gain dimed and mids scooped isn't correct. Ola Englund has a video showing how it's done. 😉
I'd love to upgrade my amp and use pedals etc but I haven't got a clue where to start. So used to using presets and just switching between them with a footswitch. I'd love to get a proper metal tone, knowing which pedals to use, where to put them and all that
IMO amp is the most important, then pickups, then pedals. Try as much stuff as you can if you have a chance. The day I got a good amp was the day I started playing all day every day.
@@jaeden2806 I was afraid a good amp would just amplify how shitty I was at the time, but it made me sound way better. I went with a DSL40c Marshall, if I had it to do over I wish I didn't get a combo but the amp is amazing.
If you want a good metal amp look at brands such as: Mesa, Engl, Marshall, Peavey. I remember when I got my full stack it totally changed the game for me. If you’re looking at getting a real amp get a tube one you won’t regret jt. You could also go the digital route and get a rig like a line 6 helix or boss gt1000. I personally recommend at least checking both options out because with a digital rig you’ll have a bunch of amps built in plus effects(pedals). If you go digital it can be more user friendly with using effects and since you’re familiar with presets you could dial in some sweet metal tones. Obviously going the tube route is always fun cause you get that super huge amazing looking piece of gear that sounds better than anything you’ll ever hear.
@@Max-The-Axe thank you, the one I have currently is a digital line 6, it isn't too bad but I've always wanted to venture onto something else. Once it's past a certain volume it just hisses and it's either too loud or too quiet. I've been looking at a dsl50, seen loads of good reviews. My dad has had loads of amps but I've never really messed around with them. I could imagine getting a good amp set up would just make you want to play more. I'll deffo have a look around:)
I always chase the tim mahoney high gain tone like off of from chaos. I found that your treble affects your gain punch, and you can match your mids with your bass to prevent mudding, and it comes darn close
What settings and/or pedals do you use to get your sound? I have a boss katana as well and am trying to get a nice good Metalcore like tone and BFMV is pretty damn Metalcore
I was the same way… loved turning up the gain so much because I thought it would have given me more sustain, now that I’ve gotten really good I’ve really turned down the gain a lot over the past few years, and it does make a difference.
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Gee this god just loves to come to random fucks when they aren’t even looking for a revelation and grant them “proof” of his existence, and ignore people like me who genuinely searched and went to church and attempted prayer for months looking for answers or signs.
Compression to add punch. Lo cut to 90hz and hi pass to 10-12khz. Noise suppressor or gate to stop unwanted feedback for high gain. Add a tube screamer for some added juice. Less gain goes a long way with active pickups
Oh wow, he sounded that good as a beginner His beginner is advanced level for most of us Great job man, but yes we can surely see the sound quality difference in the notes Comes with lots of practice
If you're gonna record your guitar, just tone down the distortion from 11 to at least 5-7. And use EQ, because the lower frequencies on guitar don't make much sense, because this space will be occupied by the kick and bass. Bass is doing more work on the low end in this case. Add the noise gate. You don't really know how good your tone will sound with the noise gate.
1- it depend of the sound you want 2- you will adjust the tone differently if you play alone or not. If you mix the guitar with a bass guitar, you don't need to much bass on your guitar. But alone, it is much better to have enough bass.
First of all jamie, long time fan, may you slay for the decades to come brother. I would like to see a pedal comparison from you. Personally im a mt-2 guy.
How do you get this tone on your amplifier? I have a very nice Orange Crush 35RT but want a more distorted sound for playing rock like 3 days grace and Linkin park. My settings are usually temble (6) Middle:(6) bass: (6) Gain: (9) And I don't use any pedals. My guitar has a beautiful natural tone. Playing on an ESP LTD EC-1000 Deluxe Deep ocean blue
His beginner tone sounded way better than mine, I started on like a 10 dollar amp then moved to a fender champion 20 and would put it on the metal setting and turn everything up to 10 and add a ds1 turned up all the way with a single coil guitar 😭
lmao you just perfectly described my current set up😭
I still use a fender champion 110 for band practice doing deathcore because it's 75 watts and easy to carry and it gets the job done just enough haha
Same lmao
All the gain, all the gain. Slayer. Metal Zone.- CS guitars.
Same man! I started with a fender mini deluxe amp for 30 bucks and a off brand fender. Now I have a fender champion 50 and the same off brand fender with California 50’s in it
Sludge dudes: “Dude, that first tone is SICK”
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It's fine.
All the millennials that learned electric on a 10 watt Frontman are rollng their eyes.
You know what we had to make the guitar sound like anything else but clean?
We borrowed our uncles Digitech multieffects pedal and it made the guitar sound worse than a keyboard's version of a guitar. Go look at an RP100 review, it's hilarious how bad it is.
I would have killed for a katana/HTR/Positive Grid
@@danielbrowniel dude, my first setup was a 10 watt Epiphone amp and a Metalzone. I was there, Gandolf. I was there in 2000
I can 1 up this.
Before guitar, I played bass.
I had a Peavy P bass and took a tape deck converter (for cdplayers or mp3 players to work on tape players) I pluged one end into a 1/4 inch adapter and directly into the bass.. and then the other end was a tape, and naturally, I put that in a tape player. And I had to turn the volume WAY up, but it worked.
So I played Southtown-POD until my fingers bled.
@@destroydestroyer
Basically just get a good amp, don’t use too much gain and don’t scoop the mids too much.
what do you mean by good amp?
bullshit. play any sound you want. if you're talented it will become a trend. I am a huge fan of Brian May tone, but was also very influenced by And justice for guitar sound. Uber scooped, with plenty a bass and treble that will damage speaker if too loud. That's far from being what was consider a good tone at that time. but till today, it remain a classic, and influenced a lot of guitar player
I don’t think it should be hard to understand what I mean by a good amp. I mean just any good quality amp that professionals would use (Mesa Boogie, Marshall, Peavey, EVH, etc.)
When you are a beginner, you are just starting to learn about gear and it will take a little while to find which amp you like most and your preferred tone. But any experienced guitarist will know that the first example he played sounds like shit, and every beginner starts out doing something like that.
@@ctld5266 they used a Mesa Boogie Mark IIC+ and I believe a Marshall speaker cab on And Justice For All. They scooped the mids on that amp because it naturally has a lot of mids. I agree that’s a great tone. But very hard to get that tone.
@@jb_50w78 actually that's not. i got in touch with flemming rasmussen before he post his notes from the recording of puppets and AFJA. On AFJA it's Quad preamp scooping mids on the graph eq @ 750, on simul class power amp, with an eq in the loop scooping @ 1,2khz & boosting @ 120Hz and 4,6Khz.
I've noticed less distortion sounds better when you're playing in a band or on a recording. And often when I play alone, I'll use more distortion. It's more fun to play with, but doesn't always suit the mix. I really like the tones that Ghost uses on their first 3 albums, and they don't use too much distortion. Another example: I far prefer Megadeth's album guitar tones more than Metallica's.
I'm so happy to see someone else love the Ghost tones. Perfectly heavy and chunky without a shitlload of gain.
really? imo you cannot beat the rtl tone, justice guitar tone and especially the black album tone.
@@xarch7208 definitely not saying Metallica's tones are bad. They have some classic sounds, especially on their classic albums. But I just prefer the extra treble with a bit more mid that Megadeth uses.
@@Casey3-P-O understandable. that rust in peace tone is pretty amazing I must say
@@xarch7208 exactly! That's definitely my favorite Deth album. And then countdown too. I know how to play every song from Rust on guitar. Solos and everything. I'm currently learning all of Countdown. It just kind of sucks, because now it's all I ever want to play. lol
That beginner tone sounds like a demo to the song while the pro sounds like the album version
Proper muting technique is harder than learning the actual notes in my opinion.
Ahh, the sweet effects of an noise gate and an EQ
Arguably the most important change was the significantly lower amount of gain.
yes dude
A noise gate isn't what you're supposed to notice my dude. It's the muddy sound first vs the nice n tight sound 2nd.
Most newbs wanna crank the lows to get that chest thump when they play solo that you normally get from a bass in an ensemble. It can sound better playing alone, but sounds like muddy trash in the studio mix or live with other instruments that occupy those low frequencies.
@@sickpuppets Both tones don't mean anything. It's useless to compare something outside of the context of the mix. For all you know the first tone could sound better in a certain mix than the other
@A K no. Just no. For all you know, I didn't just download a png of a les paul somewhere online and may have made some actual music.
Ive heard all kinds of tones in a mix. At best muddy distorted tones make half decent blues tracks and 90s grunge rythms. Nobody is using that shit today. Now post a link to a "mix" you've made or fuggoff m8
Back when I was a newbie I used to crank the gain and bass way up to get that beefy heavy chug and infinite sustain. After a couple of big gigs and recording experience, the thing has totally changed by now.
It's great to see many players with the same problem have improved
Ahh, I remember when I used to play on maximum level of gain on my amp. That was so noisy but gosh, so easy to play.
I was thinking that I'm god of guitar, lol.
But then I go live and to the studio I was kicked in balls for that ALL THE GAIN bad habbit. My sound was terrible. All these years... Gosh
Glad it make me so much better.
And that's exactly why I, sometimes, play with the gain almost completely turned off, the added distortion turned off and the compression down below 100%... (For reference, I put it up to 160% to get something along the lines of AJFA...)
Playing with high gain is much more difficult because all your mistakes translate into noise whereas on a clean channel it's much more subdued. I've never understood why people say high gain covers up mistakes. It does the opposite. When I play on Ana acoustic guitar I can be way more sloppy with my muting but on high gain I can't. Just lifting my finger from the strings makes a noise on my electric guitar with high gain.
@@chrisking6695 very true I love playing metal on my acoustic, even if my fretting is slightly off the note still pulls through
@@chrisking6695 well playing with high gain will hide uneven picking and poor legato technique, because everything is compressed so much. So it does cover up mistakes in a way. But yeah at the same time it makes it much harder to avoid unwanted string noise. Just a different way of playing that's arguably easier overall.
For me its the opposite, i can do better gallops with lower gain lmao
Dialing in that perfect tone is something that I'll never achieve and I've been playing for 20 years now.
Me too...
The chase...
So basically 2021 Metallica vs 1988 metallica
well no. Justice had actually very low gain
@@jofusnufc841 yeah thats what hes talking about professional tone had low gain and multiple tracks just like justice tone
@@yegocego but neither tone has different techniques recording wise
@@jofusnufc841 james recorded 4 tracks on top of each other and side recorded every one of them
@@yegocego I stand corrected
as a metal player over the years I've found my gain knob turning further back.
Same mate. To be honest though nobody really puts the info out there to get a really good tone. I find that only after 16 years of playing that I have now the ability to get a really good sounding tone because of looking back at what I used to do.
People on here just saying simple things like roll back the gain and don’t scoop the mids too much ( it is helpful ) but isn’t the ultimate answer. Obviously so many variables come in to it which no one explains.
Like for instance - certain amps have naughty frequencies.
Like about 4k on the 5150 for me always needs to be adjusted dependant on how much low end you put in.
It is endless as even the guitar your using comes into this.
It was using a helix that made me realise how much.
Making a mega patch that I spent hours on. Change the guitar and it sounds terrible 🤣
Even having someone else play the exact same guitar on the same patch can change it in a big way.
One thing I have discovered which is cool with a helix is to make a tone you like and then try to replicate it closely with a completely different amp and drive pedal on another patch.
In the mix you then have similiarity but not the same and then with dual guitar parts you get such a nice fill of the spectrum.
I think one thing I definitely always do now is think of tone in the context of a mix and not what I hear when I make a tone for playing in the room.
Low end is something that new players struggle with because they don’t realise how many tracks have been layered or how much the bass fills in.
We can all of experience say so much more for beginners or people who are struggling
I think many just think ah fuck it I spent ages learning my craft to get where I am.
We all would have been so much better at it quicker if we got help 🤣
Yeah man you can really hear the difference just rolling it back a bit
@@TheBanana93 oh yeah absolutely, you get better clarity less interference, like as long as you find a good middle ground you can make it sound heavy as heck without the knob being anywhere past 50%
My distortion is clocked to 0 and amp clocked to 40 🤣
Jamie you should make a vid showing how to craft a professional tone like that
I agree
it's really fucking easy to make lmao just get good irs and nalex/lepou plugins
@@leonardoignaciorodriguezga9667 Not much help tbh
@@atklod2620 wdym not much help tbh it's literally what i do and i already get a good tone
@@leonardoignaciorodriguezga9667 good is subjective, any specific plugins that you could recommend?
Also not much help if you use more analog gear instead of everything digital
*Laughs in Line 6 Spyder 4*
Same😢
His first one sounds like the distortion setting that I use on my Spyder 3 lol
0:32 "if there was a single day I could live, a single breath I could take, I'd trade all the others away."
@@kobsdr laid to rest by lamb of god
God its such a fucking good song
If anyone was as curious as I was:
Artist: Lamb of God
Song: Laid to Rest
Hope this helps
who doesn't immediately recognize this song? lol
there was literally no other reason why i checked the comments
Thanks you that pinch harmonic riff was so familiar, I would have never figured that out.
@@_lostclub recognizing the song versus knowing exactly what song it is, some say "this sounds familiar" others say "if there was a single moment I could live, a single breath I could take, I'd trade all the others away"
Both sound pretty badass \m/
Facts
Amp set to crunch, boost with an OD pedal, healthy amount of mids and a strong pick attack. Not easy to play, but that's the sound that's gonna cut and punch. Oh the days of scooped mids and fuzzlike levels of distortion... been there, done that 😅
7 years and i guess im still a beginner
You kinda got to pay to play unless you use plugins. Good tones come from tube amps. There’s a handful of cheaper rigs that make good tones, but for the most part you gotta pay for a good tone. Try to find a used Peavey 6505 or 6505+, that will get you to where you want to be most likely. First tube I ever bought blew my mind. Cheers dude.
@@Hadouken5150 lmao no,the majority is in the fingers,you cant buy skill,play like shit on a expensive guitar and amp you sound shit,play good on cheap crap it will still sound ok
See you in another 20. My advice.. abandon all hope unless you're expecting a miracle.
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that tone is just immaculate, just fucking amazing
Beginner: hit the pinch harmanics perfectly
Me (who been playing this song for 3 years): still cant hit the god damn pinch harmonic
I felt that
I started working on them very, very early and it was bad when it came to what I was prioritizing but I’m glad I did it.
All it is is hitting the string with a little bit of your thumb and pick in the right spot over the pickups. And playing aggressively helps make them ring out better. Don’t be afraid to really attack the strings when you’re picking especially for pinch harmonics. Best thing is to have a more experienced player show you how to hold the pick and where to pick the string. Plenty of videos cover it too.
Isolate the prob, and work it to the fucking ground. Ull get it.
Me too :( I practice by playing Happy Birthday with only pinches
Would love to see a video about tone tips next
I think this is supposed to demonstrate how the beginner because of how amateurish they’re at guitar use more gain and crank their amps up thinking it sounds cool but it’s actually very noisy and all over the place but the pro has a much more well balanced sound and enough gain to where it doesn’t sound like you’re playing through a line 6 spider because they got a better understanding of how to dial in the tones they want
Yupppp
The 2nd Tone Cuts Diamonds
Back then i had just a 10w shitty amp (which i still have), no gain control whatsoever. Then i got a behringer um300 pedal, which doesn't sound really good with that amp and it sounds shitty af plugged in directly to an interface, but at least i had distortion (which i never used since i started playing guitar, like 6-7 years ago). Then i bought a behringer multieffects pedal, which i didn't use that much, and the pitch shifter is just useless. Then i got some tools to plug my guitar to my computer and used bias fx 1-2 for a long time, until i got my zoom g1x four, which its pretty good for the price, and with some equalizers and reverb you can get a somewhat acceptable sound, and it's pretty easy to use too.
Edit: i forgot to include that after that i bought a marshall mg10 10w amp, which paired with the zoom g1x four pedal creates a pretty metal tone.
wow i have the same amp and use behringer ultra metal um300, recently I think the sound is not that good. do you recommend to pair it with zoom g1x?
@@aqilasraf If that's what you can afford, yes. If you buy it remember to turn on the "mic" setting on the cabs or else the simulated cabs will not work
Um300 sounds bad in interface? Hm, it sounds pretty darn good with my setup.
It doesn't sound that good with the amp though.
@@aqilasraf um300 might be pretty tricky to set up. What settings do you use? Try this: bass 5, high 4, mid frequency 5, mid boost 5.
@@sashabagdasarow497 directly plugged in yes, are you running some cab sim or something?
That noise after the beginner tone example was personal. 😂
Killer. Show us how you get your tone. Please.
The way the second one cuts it’s so fucking good holy fuck
Introducing the 1992 Peavey 5150.
Slipknot shirt and playing LoG, takes me back to the good ol days!
Mark Morton and Willie Adler = a killer riff all day everyday ! LOG ! 🤘🏻🤘🏻
If I have one wish to make ,I’d ask for TesseracT’s tone.
I have kinda reached it but it's not 100% like it
Probably need a really active gate on the amp to get that djenty tone.
Idk, but i love the rawness of the first one though😅
Please show how to get your tones!! My tone sadly still sounds like the first one, especially including the static and feedback lol.
A noise suppressor pedal helped me out a bunch for the feedback and static.
@D S but they also take away from your tone
@@lowe_the_showe202No they don’t? Who told you that lmfao
@@helio1055 using one told me
If you use it too much@@lowe_the_showe202
*Me for the past 30+ years:*
*Gain = 11 / 10 (break knob off)*
*Low = 10 / 10*
*Mid = 0 / 10*
*High = 5 / 10*
It has been gorgeous ever since I started this preference. Muddy, yet... clear. So odd. I LOVE it.
Is that the Harley Benton EX 84 EMG? If so how do you like it?
If you like chucky neck, smaller explorer shape it is good instrument.
Yeah b it’s lovely!!
Noise gates and EQ are the secrets to great tone
"if there was a single day I could live....." Love log
One of the best riffs in the history of metal. Lamb of God are GIANTS
I mean the first tone is perfect for metallica’s kill em all album
So true. That thin tone that appears to lack bottom is intended to sit perfectly in the mix. Begginers and bedroom players tend to over compensate for the fact there is no bassist filling out the sound.
I'd categorize his professional guitar tone as a beginner guitar tone as well.
Turn down for what!
Layer 5 or so tracks with it, it'll be fine. The beginner tone is completely devoid of midrange, the entire band where the guitar sound lives. I think he's just saying not to scoop out all the good stuff.
It’s just a dry mix.
Summary of what i read from the comments:
have a quality amp;
have good picking;
don't use too much gain, set it lower and boost with overdrive pedal;
dont use too much bass;
dont scoop the mids too much.
Jamie came straight for my neck😂😂😂
That feedback at the end of the first run was funny af
Guys I need help. I don’t have any amps, I only use sims. I’m a complete beginner and very bad at naming things so I’m very confused reading the comment section. Been at this for some weeks and can’t get a decent tone. I have bias fx 2 and guitar rig. What should I do there? All the presets sound like shit and I feel like I’m overdoing it with a lot of effects. I can’t find decent videos explains it either. If anyone could throw me a hand I would be grateful, thanks fellow metalheads 🤘
You reminded me of myself before I bought normal guitar and amp. I used to record my acoustic guitar and thinking that I can doing metal songs with it. In the begining I'm just of course scooped mids, all the gain, the pedal was HM2 alike, no noise gate, no amp, no cab, I didn't understand what is that. And I wondered why it sound like a multiple tornados (in a bad way). Now year after I understood that I can make some doom metal from my acoustic and plugins😁 cause it has no punch. So... Presets doesn't sound like shit, just need to use them properly. Just learn about a simple tone chain. Amp - cab. Amp - pedal - cab (about this one I'm really not sure about placing cab and pedal, you can just switch them) Pedal - amp - cab. Pedal - amp - pedal - cab. Experiment with them.
Noise gate, EQ, and pickup adjustment.. works wonders..
Actually both are beginner's tone 😂
For beginning all you needed was noise gate it sounded amazing ngl
It's not a true beginner tone without the Metal Zone
The MT-2 is NOT a bad pedal. You just have to know how to use it. Hint: running it up front with gain dimed and mids scooped isn't correct. Ola Englund has a video showing how it's done. 😉
@@benjaminrapp7418 yeah, it will not go good with my mg15 😁
Lmao when the beginner one ended with the massive feedback I was dying
Dudeeee, how did u go from the begginer tone to the professional tone besides lowering the gain?! Upgrading the pedals and amplifier or something?
Don't bring the treble or bass to high and keep your mids in the mix, don't scoop your mids insanely, none of us are Dimebag Darrel lmao
He inverted the eq. Punchy mid = you cut through the mix
I'm beginner and would love to understand more. I use yamaha thr10ii
No
Both are the same plugin. One is excessive. Lots of gain. Multiple boost pedals. One is dial back
That’s a KILLER riff!!! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
What's the name of this riff?
@@MrChucky-tp2ut lamb of god- ruin
@@MrChucky-tp2utlamb of god - laid to rest actually
I'd love to upgrade my amp and use pedals etc but I haven't got a clue where to start. So used to using presets and just switching between them with a footswitch. I'd love to get a proper metal tone, knowing which pedals to use, where to put them and all that
IMO amp is the most important, then pickups, then pedals. Try as much stuff as you can if you have a chance. The day I got a good amp was the day I started playing all day every day.
@@notgnar8506 appreciate the advice thank you, spend too much thinking about it than trying. I'll make sure to start doing some research now:)
@@jaeden2806 I was afraid a good amp would just amplify how shitty I was at the time, but it made me sound way better. I went with a DSL40c Marshall, if I had it to do over I wish I didn't get a combo but the amp is amazing.
If you want a good metal amp look at brands such as: Mesa, Engl, Marshall, Peavey. I remember when I got my full stack it totally changed the game for me. If you’re looking at getting a real amp get a tube one you won’t regret jt. You could also go the digital route and get a rig like a line 6 helix or boss gt1000. I personally recommend at least checking both options out because with a digital rig you’ll have a bunch of amps built in plus effects(pedals). If you go digital it can be more user friendly with using effects and since you’re familiar with presets you could dial in some sweet metal tones. Obviously going the tube route is always fun cause you get that super huge amazing looking piece of gear that sounds better than anything you’ll ever hear.
@@Max-The-Axe thank you, the one I have currently is a digital line 6, it isn't too bad but I've always wanted to venture onto something else. Once it's past a certain volume it just hisses and it's either too loud or too quiet. I've been looking at a dsl50, seen loads of good reviews. My dad has had loads of amps but I've never really messed around with them. I could imagine getting a good amp set up would just make you want to play more. I'll deffo have a look around:)
I always chase the tim mahoney high gain tone like off of from chaos. I found that your treble affects your gain punch, and you can match your mids with your bass to prevent mudding, and it comes darn close
i use Boss katana 50 with something close to BFMV sound from Poison and i love it
What settings and/or pedals do you use to get your sound? I have a boss katana as well and am trying to get a nice good Metalcore like tone and BFMV is pretty damn Metalcore
Another nice quick and simple vid. Starting to learn more and more about good metal guitar tone as I'm watching you
Good playing man! 🔥🔥 That axe looks freaking awesome! Hows the neck on it? Chunky or thinner?
Got it, neck is chunky. It tapers but not that much to make difference for me personally.
In between. It’s very smooth
Laid to Rest!!!!! Awesome job as usual!
*Cries in bad tone*
Beginner: all the gain! No mids! Metal zone!
Pro: low gain and scoop the lows.
I bet u cant really hear his professional tone during live ✌️
Complete opposite. 5150s cut through a mix no problem.
I was the same way… loved turning up the gain so much because I thought it would have given me more sustain, now that I’ve gotten really good I’ve really turned down the gain a lot over the past few years, and it does make a difference.
what the professional tone
Peavey 5150 plugin.
Superbly accurate
The power of the all mighty Noise Gate!
It's like one day you wake up and realize you don't need the gain setting on 11
Not a fan of either tone
Same. The ''Professional'' one sounds plastic... lifeless/sterile, very fizzy in the top end and lacking bottom end.
well, idk, I love the overall pro dist, but yeah, it just cuts thru the mix too much
That riff of laid to rest it's just sick
Mans talking about professional tones while wearing a slip knot shirt 😶🌫️ I think the first tone sounded way better than the “professional” tone
Goodluck man,i like all your video!
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Of course the "Boss Metal Zone" "DigiTech Death Metal" tone we all had at one point 😂
Both tones were great😩🔥
Somewhere in the middle.
Compression to add punch. Lo cut to 90hz and hi pass to 10-12khz. Noise suppressor or gate to stop unwanted feedback for high gain. Add a tube screamer for some added juice. Less gain goes a long way with active pickups
This vid gets an automatic thumbs up before I even watch it, because of your shirt. 🤘
Oh wow, he sounded that good as a beginner
His beginner is advanced level for most of us
Great job man, but yes we can surely see the sound quality difference in the notes
Comes with lots of practice
First tone sounds like the tin can riff before the whole band kicks in.
Didn’t have sound on but I knew right off the bat what song you were playing
I never thought glasses have this much of an impact on a guitar tone!
This is why these guys live alone.
This female guitarist is pretty good!
If you're gonna record your guitar, just tone down the distortion from 11 to at least 5-7. And use EQ, because the lower frequencies on guitar don't make much sense, because this space will be occupied by the kick and bass. Bass is doing more work on the low end in this case. Add the noise gate. You don't really know how good your tone will sound with the noise gate.
@@inqmusician2 yup yup
Dude you look good! BTW you are my fav guitarrist on youtube since a couple of years!
I’m telling you I’ve heard a $200 guitar sound like a 2k guitar with just a pedal and a mid range amp.
So the important part guys remember, get your v30s, in your peavey 6505+ with your 808 in front and you can sound as unique as everyone else.
Exactly 😂 god the 90’s/00’s was a great time haha
Nailed it, I think we as guitarists tend to dial in way too much gain and bass at first
Nothing says pro like a Harley Benton ;)
It’s called mids. Try them. Helps to turn the gain to about 6 too guys
Those two tones would sound awesome together
1- it depend of the sound you want
2- you will adjust the tone differently if you play alone or not. If you mix the guitar with a bass guitar, you don't need to much bass on your guitar. But alone, it is much better to have enough bass.
gotta love a good lamb of god riff
I guess the point isn't: bad gear vs good gear. He was showing how a beginner would dial his tone compared to a pro with the same gear
Beginner: "All hail to gain knob!" also "Mid is suck"
Professional: "Clarity and mid character are important."
First of all jamie, long time fan, may you slay for the decades to come brother.
I would like to see a pedal comparison from you. Personally im a mt-2 guy.
How do you get this tone on your amplifier? I have a very nice Orange Crush 35RT but want a more distorted sound for playing rock like 3 days grace and Linkin park. My settings are usually temble (6) Middle:(6) bass: (6) Gain: (9)
And I don't use any pedals. My guitar has a beautiful natural tone. Playing on an ESP LTD EC-1000 Deluxe Deep ocean blue
PLEASE make a video detailing what you did and how to achieve this tone. Tons of people are interested man. Please help us out .
The second sounds pretty good but the first one reminds me of old fashioned garage metal
That first tone sounds like the actual song
I might be alone on this but I liked the beginner tone better 😂