This is something I was hoping for ever since chapter 1101 when Bonney said she wanted a "Nika like future." It's such a beautiful moment for her. Every sacrifice Kuma and Ginny did was worth it. That being said, if someone disliked this chapter, that's totally fine. You are free to feel that way.
This chapter was horrible and it makes no sense. You take the most broken ability in the series that the main character trained for over a decade to master and has to consistently fight the top tiers of his verse for the past 3 years and give it to a 10 year old that knows nothing and does nothing. Where is the logic? Given the description of her powers, she can literally give Gear 5 to everyone she wants to and there’s nothing stopping her. If she doesn’t then it’s a plot hole. I don’t understand how you can’t see a problem with this fairy tail bs writing. Having busted powers in one piece and anime in general is not new, but there’s always going to be ways to go about it. Randomly making a child who was irrelevant to the story a few months ago the strongest in the verse for no reason and giving her one of the most iconic anime transformations of the century is not one of those ways. It’s distasteful and an eyesore.
@@grimmcreeper192 Wow, you clearly know NOTHING about One Piece, lol. Luffy didn't take "over a decade" to train for that ability. Luffy didn't even train for it, LOL. It only came into existence in Wano. You also say it's Fairy tail bs writing and has no logic so you just didn't read this arc or any arc, huh? Bonney used Gear 3, LOL. Where TF did you think it was going to go. Saturn even hints that Bonney's power is linked to her imagination my God and she's not even the strongest in the verse. Man, you're stupid. You act like her achieving this power automatically makes her some God. Gtfoh and actually read the story.
As an active member of the powerscaling community, no one hates this chapter. Its only the piratefolk community that hates it, and thats just because they hate every chapter.
The op community has 0 patience we haven't even seen her do anything, as of now it's just a character design. people who are upset by it need to chill out...
Bonney can change her race There is a panel where she became a buccaneer Another panel where she became a giant So why people complained about her becoming a Nika? She was doing crazy things from the beginning of the arc
@@OdaNobunaga15 also power scalers are dumb, even if she became Nika she has a stamina limit and she doesn't have crazy haki like Luffy It's like saying Kaido is as strong as Momo which is not even close, Kaido said it "haki Trumps all" Also some people complained about Luffy being the chosen one because he ate the fruit, now it's completely false because even if you are Nike and you are not strong enough you'll never become as powerful as Luffy or even close
As a person who hates on this chapter, here's my 2 cents. First, if you like this chapter good for you, you are allowed to like that chapter. As for me, I never liked Nika as a concept. It feels like all the tension in the fights go down the drain. Slapstick looney tunes comedy is not my thing. It doesn't matter if it makes sense, I'm entitled to dislike what i dislike. Edit: Since some people seem to misunderstand me, I'll continue. I like One Punch Man, I like Dragon Ball Z and I like early One Piece. Nowhere did I say I dislike goofiness, I said "Slapstick looney tunes comedy is not my thing." When it comes to the goofiness of One Piece I enjoyed but it's like adding salt to food. There's such a thing as too much. DBZ had always been a martial arts gag manga from the beginning. As the show became more serious there were less gags (They were still there but like I said *less*) and the series did this slowly. With Luffy's G5, it's a big jump from the seriousness of all the prior arcs to Tom and Jerry levels of goofiness. One Punch Man had always been goofy from the beginning which what I expect from it and it's why I can enjoy it. Toriyama's Goku had always been goofy but it's the fact that despite that he still developed as a character becoming much smarter to the point where he demonstrates high levels of EQ is amazing to see. At no point was One Piece Tom & Jerry levels of goofy. It was a mix of seriousness and goofiness. Perhaps if each gear made Luffy's personality slightly more Goofier it would've been easier to digest but it's actually the opposite. Every time Luffy uses a gear he is harming himself. He is stressed, because of the fact that he knows he needs to beat his opponent quickly or else he'll have to deal with the drawback and were stressed too cheering him on. G5 Luffy is just enjoying himself. TL;DR: I dislike the "Nika" concept in the latest chapter because it introduces slapstick comedy, which I feel undermines the tension in the fights. I want to clarify that my issue isn't with goofiness as I enjoy early One Piece, One Punch Man, and Dragon Ball Z, but with the excessive goofiness akin to "Tom and Jerry" levels introduced by Luffy's Gear 5. I appreciate a balance of seriousness and goofiness and find the sudden shift in tone with Gear 5 unpalatable.
Did you hate his fight against Arlong? He was being goofy then. He used Arlong's own teeth to bite him. That's not tension or serious at all. And as the other pointed out, you can go read other series for high tension, edgy, fights. I take it you're not a fan of DBZ either since there is no tension or anything in their fights given they can just be wished back with dragonballs. No tension in OPM either since Saitama never even get injured.
I really don't think G5 Bonney is going to be doing as much as people fear. Certainly not anywhere near as much as Luffy. She may be able to use some toon force sure, but the endurance and strength isn't going to come even close to Luffy. She also already started changing forms throughout the arc, she even asked for a Nika-ish future at the end of her flashback. Now that she knows for certain that Nika exists she can really fully transform. I think people are worrying a bit too much. The chapter was good. JoyBonney was super cute too.
I'm surprised Power Scalers hate it. The implications from this panel alone should've instantly sparked conversations about Bonnie's powers and her limitless potential with her Fruit.
@@TWYOPpower scalers don’t just like everyone being broken. There’s a system and making any and every random irrelevant character stronger than the other hundreds of characters in the series who actually put effort towards getting stronger makes no sense.
@grimmcreeper192 you misunderstand what I'm saying. I never said anything about power scalers liking everything being broken. I'm talking about a desire to discuss IF her ability is broken, HOW it's broken, and what could/should limit her usage of that ability in a fight. Even if the ability is broken, I still expected power scalers to go at this change/update of Bonnie's powers from some kind of analytical perspective
@@TWYOP The problem with that is that there’s no point of contention. There’s no need for discussion about if it’s broken or how broken it is because we’ve seen the destructive capabilities of gear 5 first hand. It’s like you don’t remember how mad some people were when Luffy’s true powers were first revealed because it so far tips the scale of the entire verse power scaling wise. People thought that giving the MAIN CHARACTER -who actually had 24 years of writing put into him getting what he got- reality warping powers was a bold move 3 years ago, The you give that same thing to a 10 year old that’s done diddly squat that was literally irrelevant to the story a few months ago? If you don’t think this is horrible writing and power scaling then there’s something wrong with you.
Its not just the powerscalers but some feels its forced, some want to gatekeep gear 5 for it to be unique to luffy and others outright hate gear 5 in general and to see more of it from another character triggers em, im waiting to see oda executes it from here, if its poorly executed, ima call it like i see it,hoping for some fun shenanigans next chapter
@@Sreboocs considering the fact thwt every top comment on every sitewith comments i check is praising that exact scene you guys are crying about, you guys are luckily a tiny minority. Hoe the fuk can you ready 1118 chapters of one piece and still fon't get the point?
@@Sreboocs He does. But we don't agree this is one of them, we love the story development, it's beautiful and heartwarming, especially since it's Luffy who urges and supports Bonney and she wouldn't be awakening without him acting like a big brother to her.
Bruh I don’t see the problem, did people forget that this entire arc has demonstrated that devil fruit abilities can be near perfectly replicated? If Vegapunk was still alive he probably could copied the nika fruit by getting some of Luffy’s dna like he did for kaido😂
The Kaido vs Elders point you've made, I agree with you. It seems they rely so much on their immortality and I completely agree their power is undermined.
Yeah I don't understand why anyone is mad. Oda didnt pull this out of nowhere and has been setting it up for a while. Also youtubers have been saying this was going to happen for a few months
Bonney power remind me of Gladiator (Kallark) from Marvel. Gladiator's abilities increase and decrease in accordance with his level of confidence. He can move across galaxies before Heimdall could blink, but should he lose confidence in his abilities, he can lose to much weaker opponents.
I couldn’t have said this any better. I never gave a damn about power scaling not even once. I just enjoy the story for what it is, nothing more. People take OP so seriously when it’s really not meant to be taken seriously at all.
@@primedarkking10 Congrats, you think your superior enough that when someone states their opinion you have a right to posture down to them. Powerscailing is stupid especially when it's taken to the extreme some do and if you think engaging with a story is just a constant bickering of Who beats who then yeah I don't need to pushback on anything cause you lot are already off the ledge. So do you want a cookie?
@@ektran4205 therefore, as she gets stronger she'll copy other devil fruits powers from visual memory, espically with this whole concept of the "weight of memory" I wouldn't be surprise if she can give herself a "Paw-ish" future (kuma's powers)
@@ektran4205 She doesn't need to sustain them for long periods, I mean its already shown that someone like Luffy stay in Gear 5th for that long. Bonney can temporarly tap into fruits she visually seen for awhile and use their powers, even if its for a few attacks. At least, thats what her Devil Fruit SHOULD be be capable of because of its potential.
@@mistersureshot1749 dude, I think you missed entirely the part of these chapters that Luffy is CONSTANTLY supporting, urging and empowering Bonney. She can only copy futures she can see herself in, or feel a strong connection to. Due to her entire backstory, for her it's Nika, and with Luffys constant encouragement and support, she managed to tap into a copy of the form. She can't copy Kaidos dragon fruit because she has 0 connection to that.
How many times does a piece of media have to beat this idea into peoples heads. It's not your powers and abilities that makes you special it's you that makes you special. MCU Ironman told Spider-Man if you're nothing without the suit you don't deserve to have it. Goku didn't get as strong as he did just because he was a Saiyan unlike Gohan, Vegeta, Broly, Trunks and Goten. Goku is actually a low class warrior. He doesn't have the natural power everyone else has. The Omnitrix doesn't make Ben 10 a hero, Ben was already that to begin with. Superman is a genuinely good person who wants to do the right thing and he would still do those things with or without his powers. Supergirl didn't take anything from There's literally a laundry list's worth pf people. We were literally told Zoans have a will of their own, The Nika Fruit chose Luffy because he was like Joy Boy, It doesn't make him Joy Boy. The DF is just another tool.
Power scalers are forgetting the Kido fight . I think this is meant to reinforce that the devil fruit doesn't matter. In the end haki determines the strongest.
That one part of One Piece community before this: "Aww. Gear 5 is Nika power? One Piece is turning to Naruto or other mainstream shounen with their chosen one power. C'mon, Oda. You are falling off." That same part community after this: "WTF, ODA!? Why Bonney can use Nika power too?! That's exclusive only for Luffy! This is BS!" Classic behaviour of human nowadays lol. No matter what, they will always talk bad about literally everything.
I mean this is badly written, Nika was horribly retconned in to the story out of nowhere because Oda told so, and it even puts a lot of stuff in the past in question (not in a good way). Same with Bonney given she has seen Kuma during sabaody arc (Kuma was a warlord for a long time) but had no reaction to it, vice versa. Also Bonney's devil fruit at first was implied its her power to manipulate her age (this was first time we got to see her), then made in to she can manipulate ages of other objects (okay so she is kinda like Sugar to a degree), then retcon in to being able to mimic awakened form of a mythical zoan.. No just no this is horrible writing and actual makes one piece in to a sunday cartoon show. I am not sure if you know this, but other shows have been cancelled for something far less stupid things than this (fairy tale, naruto with zetsu, etc). I think one piece fans needs to be honest and call out when bullshit like this are published. Other manga/anime reviewers calls out the flaws with their show, but for some reason the one piece reviewers are so fricking biased and is literally a cult following.
@@Jekiterioplease go spend time doing something else instead of typing an essay. i would think this is something like a 15 year old like me would do if i was bored. i would never do this tho. what is the point of typing this and wasting all my energy on people i will never see irl. wasting the energy in my muscles in my hands and fingers. i have the time to do it but there's other stuff to do. most of my day i eat, i drink, i eat my snacks i play games, i read, i watch vids, i talk to my friends, i talk to my girlfriend, i go outside. even if you're not an adult that's even worse because you have more time than most adults so don't take that for granted. well have a nice day hopefully by the time you read this you have ate a good meal. you have stay hydrated and you have gotten good sleep. if you are tired please go to sleep. hopefully you have a nice morning, afternoon, evening, night. Jayden out lol.
Im definitely part of the people who are on the fence I just think that this happens kinda takes away from what nika is though i like it if i think about it it makes me feel off
I’m so far behind in One Piece, I read up to vol 25 last year but haven’t read a new volume in over 9 months. But I’m still keeping up to date buying the volumes.
Powerscalers after ch. 1118: "Nooo, why Oda doing this" Me after ch. 1118: "Lmao, Imu gonna shit itself and go "This is getting out of hand, now there's two of em""
People make it sound like Bonney cheapened the power of Gear 5. Instead to me, this looks more like a further testament to how powerful Luffy's awakening is. He AWAKENED the spirit of Nika in someone else! Just like how his awakening makes the world around him rubbery, his awakened power stirs up the spirit of Joyboy in people around him. Bonney transformed because of him, not because Oda wrote this as an asspull.
@@cobyphantom4447god of saviour casually told their worshipper that he believes in their potential and know they can be as strong as him if they truly wish for it ... Sounds like a good guy things to me
@@cobyphantom4447 literally haven't encountered that at all. Everyone seems to agree that from a story perspective, it's a beautiful development, they are just mad that 'Bonney's fruit is too strong'
Before Egghead my impression of the Elders was that mostly they were just oldman ruling the world goverment and that probalby some of them could fight like Samurai Ghandi but nowhere near Yonko probably around admiral. Now with the reveal that they are all literal monsters I was pleasantly suprised, they are still bellow yonko and the fact that they are seemingly imortal means that they dont have to worry about defense so even the weaker strawhats can damage them, because the elders know they will just regenerate.
I didn't get any sense of confusion from the elders' power level, maybe it's just because I started reading recently and haven't been waiting, having them build up for years, but I always figured they would be either around this level or have no powers at all. To me, they are threatening because of their political power. The navy was always supposed to be the powerhouse of the government, the government itself doesn't need to be physically strong. Them being weaker than the emperors also makes way more sense from a logistical perspective. Think about it, if each elder was as strong as an emperor, or even if they were strong enough to take out an emperor's crew together, why wouldn't they just do that? There would be no point in scheming over years to maintain control of the world if you're stronger than everyone else and no one can challenge you. The government could simply kill anyone who gets in their way. The reason they can't do that is because the pirates and government are supposed to be in a balance of power, where neither can easily destroy the other. If the elders were that powerful, there would be no balance of power. Honestly, Oda does a far better job being consistent with character power levels than most other Shonen authors. He just gets a bad rap.
Bonney obtaining a form that Luffy worked way harder for has nothing to do with power scaling. I’m a power scaler but that’s not why I dislike this choice from Oda.
@@WieldMyWordare you a storytelling teacher? I don't think those exist and you're not a critic so everything is like food. Some people like it cooked. Some people don't like it cooked, they like it raw. Some people like it crispy. Some people don't like it crispy. It is only bad writing to you. Which is okay because not having the same opinion or taste is what makes us human. Trying to put your opinion on others is not a good thing. Also don't reply to me if you do you're going to make me lose more chromosomes because I have autism and I can't afford to lose those. Plus I am a 15 year old kid so I don't want to be arguing with some adults.
I thought it was obvious with that going with that direction like couple of chapters ago where Saturn explain Bonny Fruit and this was the logical conclusion with her seeing and believing. I sometimes think people forgotten that
The power scale doesn’t bother me. What bothers me it seems like Bonny is just a random god among devil fruits she has no limitations as to what she can do with her devil fruit. She can just copy any devil fruit or anything she can imagine it and has a good mental state.
@phantom-ri2tg devil fruits can be broken, but they typically have a rules etc. Bonny's seemingly has none. She can essentially imitate ANY devilfruit. There's no reason to believe she couldn't also copy the gorosei's oni fruit
@@phantom-ri2tg why not? Shes only going to get stronger and eventually awaken. Its in her arsenal to visual see a devil fruit user at work, and copy it even if temporarily
I don't know if people can be in denial that much. I am sorry but they should have seen this coming since a long time ago when we knew about Bonney's ability, at the very least when she copied Gear 3rd. And even then, it's such a natural progression of her ability. Love it so much. It even proves no matter what, Luffy's Devil Fruit, in the end, is just a Devil Fruit. Nothing fundamentally special about it.
People fail to realize that we still havent seen bonny fight in Nika form. Maybe she will only be able to use gum gum dawn gun and atudd but maybe she w9nt be able to turn her surroundings into rubber
Is boney going to die. She is seemingly too broken and the track record for op side characters isnt always good. Is she going to be another ace (not in the op aspect ofcourse)
People don’t understand Bonney isn’t gonna be anywhere near as strong as Luffy is. It's more so the freedom to choose her future through the narrative around her character arc.
1: devil fruits have NEVER BEEN FAIR. how difficult a fruit is to use does not relate to how strong it actually is. perfect examples of this is both luffy and doffys fruits being hard to master yet doffys aint all that strong while luffys is, on the other hand whitebeards fruit is easy to use and disgustingly powerfull and so is boneys. 2: luffy has also beaten awakened fruit users without awakening so boney copying awakened powers means nothing especially when considering that prior to this theres atleast 3 other fruits SUPERIOR TO THE NIKA (yami/quake/imus). another OP fruit isnt somethig new.
It's kinda the same as what happened with Luffy. He originally had the "rubber" fruit, but then it got changed to "nika" aka "freedom" fruit which gives him these crazy abilities with whatever he can imagine. Bonney had the "age" fruit, but then it got changed to "future" instead, which gives her the ability to imagine any future. So if you hate one of these power-ups, you gotta hate both.
People out here complaining Bonnie got Gear 5 easily. How about the fact that Bonnie, technically, has access to ALL Devil Fruit powers and a version of herself with mastery of all 3 types of Haki. Her devilfruit is so broken it's crazy. I also think it's too soon to be pinning down the power levels of the Gorosei. Egghead has been a wild combination of different match-ups and constantly shifting win conditions for both sides of this conflict since the rest of the Gorosei and giants showed up
Im more of a fate powerscaler and i can we get things like this every second,a character having a more bullshit ability than the other but end up loving them at the end of the day.but one piece community is just a who different breed of toxic epecially with powerscaling
The power scaling community is cringe and has taken the fun away from a lot of these battle manga. I loved this chapter. Bonney looked great in G5 transformation.
I dont dislike it from a powerscaling pov, i dislike it because it invalidates luffy being the 'true' joyboy when someone without the nika devil fruit can become nika. This basically confirms bonnie can immitate literally ANY devil fruit she wants
Luffy isn't Joyboy. That is the point of his reply to Kaido on Wano, when he said "I am Monkey D. Luffy". Luffy isn't meant to be the New Joyboy. Just like how Luffy isn't supposed to be the new Gol D. Roger. Joyboy is someone who used the Nika fruit and failed. Just like how Roger became the Pirate King, but failed overall. Both Joyboy and Roger was waiting for someone to succeed where they failed and that is Luffy. Luffy is supposed to be different. Kaido has already said this, but "It is not a DF, but haki that will allow someone to be on top".
The only thing I’ll say is that I think this should’ve been saved for the next arc. With how much stuff that’s going on in this arc, it does kinda feel like, “ok now this is happening,”. I don’t know if that makes any sense to anyone, but overall I don’t have a problem with Bonnie turning into Joyboy, I was expecting it to happen.
Lool Gear 5 been a joke since it's debut tbh. Like has some cool moments but it's pretty silly and dumb of something supposed to be his strongest current form
Look. I love one piece. But although im not as pained as most, i cant help but feel boney turning gear 5th takes away from luffy in away. Gear 5th is a special form of legend so its kinda weird seeing two of them. But ill let oda cook
Tbh I'm not reading the manga, I'm an anime only, and seeing this right now I think bonney being able to do this doesn't makes any sense, because I thought that the Nika form was a special form for Luffy's fruit, so it doesn't matter how "free" someone with a random devil fruit is, they wouldn't be able to access that form. Unless Luffy's gear 5 power somehow managed to change Bonney too with the toon force thing.
Oda is making everything less serious with all these shenigans. With all the Gorosei,vice admirals, admiral kizaru, serphims, & 100'ships with navy power can't do shit to SH'S side . But here we have people can't stop sucking upto GODA
Almost like you never even read or watch one piece. Also, do you really think Vice Admirals would do anything when Luffy was dealing with them pre-timeskip and sure Kizaru is strong but Luffy is a Yonko now? I understand the Gorosei since they're supposed to be final villain material, but they have been tiring him out + They were more worried about Vegapunk's message.
Personally I suspect that Bonnie using this form is a result of both her distorted future and Luffy's own awakening. Remember that Luffy's reality warping powers affect other people too.
And that's why Oda make this. Being a human with Nika power isn't exclusive for Luffy only. Bonney can be Nika too shows us that being Nika isn't that special. Having Nika power isn't enough for Luffy to reach his dream. After all, the previous Nika power user a.k.a Joyboy even failed to do what he wanted. Luffy needs to go beyond Joyboy and Nika, who is only a legend. Luffy really need to be special. I've written this somewhere. This chapter actually shows that because being Nika is not only Luffy's thing, and this proves that Luffy will still be Monkey D. Luffy in the end. Not a reincarnated Joyboy or Nika's personalization. After all, technically, everyone can be Nika too.
You pretend like Luffy being Nika or having Gear 5 is what makes Luffy special... Luffy has been special in his own right and the recent chapter hardly takes away anything from him... the fact that Bonney can do Gear 5 is merely superficial and hardly undermines what makes Luffy unique. Bonney doesnt have charisma like Luffy that surrounds him with allies, bonney isnt respected the same way Luffy was, luffy doesnt have a sense of vengeance for Ace against Akainu that Bonney has for kuma against Gorosei. This isnt like the Anakin from starwars being screwed over by its schittey disney writers.
I actually love it for this exact reason. It's not 'Nika' that makes Luffy special. Luffy is special because he is Luffy, and nothing shows that better than this chapter, while being a beautiful moment for Bonny.
For me its less power scaling and more "oh god, if bonney can achieve a free form, whats to say anyone else cant?" I dont want a Naruto army of shared six paths chakra situation to happen with Nika 😂 thats mainly my fear. Suddenly everyone has white hair and a purple sash
Nah man. It’s beautiful writing. The most enslaved character in the series looking up at the two kids he bet on as the most free people in the world is beautiful. People are overreacting to two panels lol. Let’s see how this plays out.
One Piece is the world where imagination and willpower determine your strength besides just training, some characters become extra strong just because they went "what if i did something stupid but funny in using my power because I believe thats how my power works".
Nah, this has nothing to do with powerscaling, people are mad cuz oda make it seem like luffy's nika nika no mi less unique since bonney could access it.
People in general are biased, emotional and surface level thinkers. In most scenarios the only 2 question that need to be asked/answered are "Does this narratively make sense and was the execution within the rules established in the verse? (unless of course its a character not bound by set rules then only question 1)
Fire rule of power scaling is if you fight one enemy they are far more powerful then many. Another rule is some one later in the story is more powerful
Maybe it fits thematically but its still super lame in my opinion, it reminds me of the end of naruto with everyone having kyuubi cloaks. Maybe in the end one piece will be about the power of friendship with 50 gear 5th luffys raiding mariejois or something
The power scaling community can just stay quiet. It was already talked about that Bonney can do this. They cannot do their research and act like everything should be like Naruto, Bleach and Dragon Ball.
I may be toxic for this but I love it when Oda chooses fun over power scaling. lol Mostly because it enrages powerscalers. X3 That said I think Bonney joining her hero in battle while in Nika form is just plain sweet. ^^
There honestly there can't be an issues with the Gorosei's strength, because that's never been established. Sabo losing indicates their stronger than he is, and Vice Admiral Level Saboo's not that great himself. That doesn't appy to how they can handle opponents objectively better than Sabo! They weren't even hyped up like the Samurai and actually have our expectations sunverted. The Straw Hats already survived their forces many of times, from Buster calls, Admiral attacks, A war against the Navy. Already proving even then at their weakest. They can survive the World Government. So for anyone to expect them to be capable of fully stopping an unexpected interference from the Straw Hats, with solely their own abilities. To complain about that, has utterly failed education. The oh, Why couldn't Saturn end Bonney, why don't they just finish Vegapunk . Lol, ask y'allselves why do villians monologue instead of insta k.o. their opponents, and it's so prominent in stories from every medium, it's literally a joke. This ain't knew to storytelling! The story never emphasized the power that makes the Gorosei end game antagonists was their personal abilities and combat power, no! It's their intelligence aka information, and why they fear others obtaining it. for so many factors this is what makes them the most fearsome enemies. If y'all don't know that even in Reality, information is the strongest weapon and a major one that ends wars!
I won't be surprised if all elders get defeated in this one arc. It is odd we already seen their full transformations and they are struggling against one Gear 5 lol.
Power scaling community always ignores the content of storytelling, as you can see I'm a diehard akainu fan, I know old ill wb with no advance haki beats my fav character in 1vs1, but power scaling community would never accept the fact that same WB is officially the strongest character in pretimeskip, old ill wb > kaido/big mom > shanks ... They would says anything they can to downplay both akainu and wb, because they wants to glorify their fav character like kaido/shanks, but the truth is in the story itself both yonko highly respect old ill WB for his strength and global influences ... Not even after wano ended we actually saw kaido/big mom/ shanks shows their individual power equal/greater than island splitting blow WB did against akainu, as WB single handedly defeats a top tier with no adv haki, only DF + basic haki was needed .... that's how overpowered WB is written
1. Her devil fruit power allows her to access the alt timeline for a brief period. 2. No, because Bonney power is special in a way since it comes from a freakish human experimentation by the Gorosei that almost cost her life. She should not survive if not for Vegapunk intervention, that's how fk up the experiment is.
@nickguzman424 her power really depends on her strong believe, she have been transforming into giant and buccaneer race using the power of alt timeline during this arc. It's not time travel, but time travel is already a thing in OP, Toki from Wano arc remember? But she only travel forward.
My person views on the chapter fall in 2 pillars: 1) if this power is granted by bonneys devil fruit, I dislike it, as it feels like it dose not fit her thematically 2) if this power is granted by luffys words of “ you can do it, you can be free too” I like it, since it makes sense since luffy has been shown to share “freedoms” In conclusion, next chapter will decide how i see this chapter
Bro, it's definitely the first option, and it completely fits her. It's her whole story passed down by her dad. I would have been flabbergasted if she hadn't copied Luffy's Fruit.
@@heyzoms how is being a warrior of liberation her story? From what I’ve read boney is a child seeking meaning, and love from her father, but now that he’s gone she is looking try and fix him and for some family, which fits perfectly with her theme of being granted “liberation” from luffy. IMO
@MFDavish You're right about what you typed being her story, but she can have more than one story. one's piece is all about passing on the will of others. Bonny's dad dreamed about Nika's Freedom, and now Bonny has claimed that freedom symbolically, by turning into Nika. I hope the rest of her story about her problem with her dad is resolved soon.
@MFDavish I think either way, her becoming a Nika is cool, and luffy being able to give his powers to others is cool. I just thought that if i had to take bets on why she became Nika, it was because of her devil fruit that can turn her and others into whatever she believes is possible.
This isn't about power scaling and to simplify it that way is wrong. Luffy isn't the strongest in one piece so why would Anyone be upset about it? Stronger characters than the strawhats appear and disappear all the time. The issue is in fact that it undermines the value of the gear 5th transformation. It's really that simple. Who cares about power levels in this context? Almost no one. Oda could have also simply made a different design to show her own theme of liberation instead. It doesn't matter if it was foreshadowed at all. Just because something isn't an a$$pull doesn't mean it's not bad. It's bad.
Well, we can disagree on the kaido vs elders Yes luffy escaped,but they didn't really attack him that much, and luffy escaped, didn't win Because he was very much losing Luffy is without a doubt over saturn, and probably over Peter, but there's a clear gap between him and warcury, and it's obviously not even close And I'll be honest, warcury is definitely above kaido, kaido didn't walk out with zero damage against any of luffy's attacks While warcury took no damage,and it damaged luffy himself, even in gear 5
Oda has been setting up Bonney to get Gear 5 powers. I am not sure why people are upset and surprised. For me, I thought this was wonderful since it basically gives Kuma his dream. He has been beaten down so much, and his sacrifice over his life was for two dreams, 1. For Nika to return to bring peace to the world. and 2. For Bonney to be safe and be able to reach her dreams. Giving her Gear 5 is perfect for this. Maybe others may worry about the mechanics of the story with respect to power scaling and such but for me, One Piece has always been about the heart and souls of characters and I was very happy to see Bonney reaching her and her father's dream after so much hardship.
One piece.....has never had good powerscaling. Actually no, it was decent pre timeskip when we had the strawhats having the Monster Trio being highlighted more in each arc. Post??? Nah. Among the big 3 or just shonen in general, power scaling one piece never crossed my mind and didnt feel worth it. Especially when Luffy pulled second and third gear out of nowhere. I havent kept up with one piece, but this doesnt seem to be a case of powerscaling. Its how this new power is obtained is what i think the problem is.
Gear 5 Luffy: "Prepare for trouble!"
Gear 5 Bonney: "And make it double!"
Chopper: Choppaaa that’s right
Sanji: Bonney CHUAANNN
4K Bonney for Sanji
Chopper: That's right!
The Robot: Me Drown. Thats Right
This is something I was hoping for ever since chapter 1101 when Bonney said she wanted a "Nika like future." It's such a beautiful moment for her. Every sacrifice Kuma and Ginny did was worth it. That being said, if someone disliked this chapter, that's totally fine. You are free to feel that way.
They can go cry about it. I am excited.
They can feel that way. Doesn't mean they're right. Cause they're not.
This chapter was horrible and it makes no sense. You take the most broken ability in the series that the main character trained for over a decade to master and has to consistently fight the top tiers of his verse for the past 3 years and give it to a 10 year old that knows nothing and does nothing. Where is the logic? Given the description of her powers, she can literally give Gear 5 to everyone she wants to and there’s nothing stopping her. If she doesn’t then it’s a plot hole. I don’t understand how you can’t see a problem with this fairy tail bs writing. Having busted powers in one piece and anime in general is not new, but there’s always going to be ways to go about it. Randomly making a child who was irrelevant to the story a few months ago the strongest in the verse for no reason and giving her one of the most iconic anime transformations of the century is not one of those ways. It’s distasteful and an eyesore.
@@grimmcreeper192 Wow, you clearly know NOTHING about One Piece, lol. Luffy didn't take "over a decade" to train for that ability. Luffy didn't even train for it, LOL. It only came into existence in Wano. You also say it's Fairy tail bs writing and has no logic so you just didn't read this arc or any arc, huh? Bonney used Gear 3, LOL. Where TF did you think it was going to go. Saturn even hints that Bonney's power is linked to her imagination my God and she's not even the strongest in the verse. Man, you're stupid. You act like her achieving this power automatically makes her some God. Gtfoh and actually read the story.
Momonosuke has kaido's df essentially. Is he busted? Wait man chilll and wait.@@grimmcreeper192
Making power scalers upset is always a good thing, and I say this as one.
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imagine powerscaling one piece 🤢
@@michalvrabec454 imagine criticizing someone's hobbies 🤢
@@michalvrabec454op powerscaling has lik 50k plus members in subreddit it's crazy lol but ig they need some hobby so bas
@@Yotes_ power scaling is not a hobby 🤦♀️🤡
I was less surprised by Bonney turning into that and more laughing at the "Albino giants" line from that random marine. That was brilliant.
I do not see an issue with this chapter at all: people really need to stop hating
People just be weird
@@Darkrengi For. Real.
I mean people can have a different opinion lol doesn’t mean it’s hating.
Sanji simp Bonney is weird
@@cheaterhusband4465 Sanji beat the allegations
This chapter has me 80% sure Bonney will join the crew as a pirate apprentice
As an active member of the powerscaling community, no one hates this chapter. Its only the piratefolk community that hates it, and thats just because they hate every chapter.
The op community has 0 patience we haven't even seen her do anything, as of now it's just a character design. people who are upset by it need to chill out...
Nah, it's not the OP community. It's just some dumbasses. Not really fans.
“Chilling out” isn’t exactly something the Japanese are known for 😅
@@Akimbo411 the west as well.
@@Akimbo411 you mean people in the East, Japanese people ARE WAY more chill than us. The tiniest of things makes people go crazy over here.
@@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483 no, just look at shipping in japan and how mangakas gets death threats all the time.
Bonney can change her race
There is a panel where she became a buccaneer
Another panel where she became a giant
So why people complained about her becoming a Nika?
She was doing crazy things from the beginning of the arc
Exactly, people don’t pay attention. She could probably turn herself into a Lunarian and any other race in One Piece if she wants to.
@@OdaNobunaga15 also power scalers are dumb, even if she became Nika she has a stamina limit and she doesn't have crazy haki like Luffy
It's like saying Kaido is as strong as Momo which is not even close, Kaido said it "haki Trumps all"
Also some people complained about Luffy being the chosen one because he ate the fruit, now it's completely false because even if you are Nike and you are not strong enough you'll never become as powerful as Luffy or even close
As a person who hates on this chapter, here's my 2 cents.
First, if you like this chapter good for you, you are allowed to like that chapter.
As for me, I never liked Nika as a concept. It feels like all the tension in the fights go down the drain.
Slapstick looney tunes comedy is not my thing.
It doesn't matter if it makes sense, I'm entitled to dislike what i dislike.
Edit: Since some people seem to misunderstand me, I'll continue.
I like One Punch Man, I like Dragon Ball Z and I like early One Piece. Nowhere did I say I dislike goofiness, I said "Slapstick looney tunes comedy is not my thing."
When it comes to the goofiness of One Piece I enjoyed but it's like adding salt to food. There's such a thing as too much.
DBZ had always been a martial arts gag manga from the beginning. As the show became more serious there were less gags (They were still there but like I said *less*) and the series did this slowly.
With Luffy's G5, it's a big jump from the seriousness of all the prior arcs to Tom and Jerry levels of goofiness.
One Punch Man had always been goofy from the beginning which what I expect from it and it's why I can enjoy it.
Toriyama's Goku had always been goofy but it's the fact that despite that he still developed as a character becoming much smarter to the point where he demonstrates high levels of EQ is amazing to see.
At no point was One Piece Tom & Jerry levels of goofy. It was a mix of seriousness and goofiness. Perhaps if each gear made Luffy's personality slightly more Goofier it would've been easier to digest but it's actually the opposite.
Every time Luffy uses a gear he is harming himself. He is stressed, because of the fact that he knows he needs to beat his opponent quickly or else he'll have to deal with the drawback and were stressed too cheering him on.
G5 Luffy is just enjoying himself.
TL;DR: I dislike the "Nika" concept in the latest chapter because it introduces slapstick comedy, which I feel undermines the tension in the fights. I want to clarify that my issue isn't with goofiness as I enjoy early One Piece, One Punch Man, and Dragon Ball Z, but with the excessive goofiness akin to "Tom and Jerry" levels introduced by Luffy's Gear 5. I appreciate a balance of seriousness and goofiness and find the sudden shift in tone with Gear 5 unpalatable.
ok👍
Fair
one piece is goofy pirate manga that why its peak if you need seriousness you can read any other edgy rage powerup manga
Did you hate his fight against Arlong? He was being goofy then. He used Arlong's own teeth to bite him. That's not tension or serious at all. And as the other pointed out, you can go read other series for high tension, edgy, fights. I take it you're not a fan of DBZ either since there is no tension or anything in their fights given they can just be wished back with dragonballs. No tension in OPM either since Saitama never even get injured.
One piece was never that good it's a silly show for kids.
I really don't think G5 Bonney is going to be doing as much as people fear. Certainly not anywhere near as much as Luffy. She may be able to use some toon force sure, but the endurance and strength isn't going to come even close to Luffy. She also already started changing forms throughout the arc, she even asked for a Nika-ish future at the end of her flashback. Now that she knows for certain that Nika exists she can really fully transform. I think people are worrying a bit too much.
The chapter was good. JoyBonney was super cute too.
As a Power Scaler, I really love this chapter.
I'm surprised Power Scalers hate it. The implications from this panel alone should've instantly sparked conversations about Bonnie's powers and her limitless potential with her Fruit.
@@TWYOPpower scalers don’t just like everyone being broken. There’s a system and making any and every random irrelevant character stronger than the other hundreds of characters in the series who actually put effort towards getting stronger makes no sense.
@grimmcreeper192 you misunderstand what I'm saying. I never said anything about power scalers liking everything being broken.
I'm talking about a desire to discuss IF her ability is broken, HOW it's broken, and what could/should limit her usage of that ability in a fight. Even if the ability is broken, I still expected power scalers to go at this change/update of Bonnie's powers from some kind of analytical perspective
@@TWYOP The problem with that is that there’s no point of contention. There’s no need for discussion about if it’s broken or how broken it is because we’ve seen the destructive capabilities of gear 5 first hand. It’s like you don’t remember how mad some people were when Luffy’s true powers were first revealed because it so far tips the scale of the entire verse power scaling wise. People thought that giving the MAIN CHARACTER -who actually had 24 years of writing put into him getting what he got- reality warping powers was a bold move 3 years ago, The you give that same thing to a 10 year old that’s done diddly squat that was literally irrelevant to the story a few months ago? If you don’t think this is horrible writing and power scaling then there’s something wrong with you.
@grimmcreeper192 *sigh* yeah, you're still not getting what I'm talking about
Its not just the powerscalers but some feels its forced, some want to gatekeep gear 5 for it to be unique to luffy and others outright hate gear 5 in general and to see more of it from another character triggers em, im waiting to see oda executes it from here, if its poorly executed, ima call it like i see it,hoping for some fun shenanigans next chapter
Thank God Oda is the writer and not these edgy powerscalers.
Thank god Oda never makes mistakes /s
@@Sreboocs Twitter users biggest mistake was their birth, so Oda is still good.
...how many actual powerscalers have you met?
@@Sreboocs considering the fact thwt every top comment on every sitewith comments i check is praising that exact scene you guys are crying about, you guys are luckily a tiny minority.
Hoe the fuk can you ready 1118 chapters of one piece and still fon't get the point?
@@Sreboocs He does. But we don't agree this is one of them, we love the story development, it's beautiful and heartwarming, especially since it's Luffy who urges and supports Bonney and she wouldn't be awakening without him acting like a big brother to her.
Bruh I don’t see the problem, did people forget that this entire arc has demonstrated that devil fruit abilities can be near perfectly replicated?
If Vegapunk was still alive he probably could copied the nika fruit by getting some of Luffy’s dna like he did for kaido😂
The Kaido vs Elders point you've made, I agree with you. It seems they rely so much on their immortality and I completely agree their power is undermined.
Yeah I don't understand why anyone is mad. Oda didnt pull this out of nowhere and has been setting it up for a while. Also youtubers have been saying this was going to happen for a few months
I don't know why these powerscalers are calling asspull when artists were already making Bonney gear 5 fanart since NOVEMBER last year
Bonney is past her Victim stage...it is time for her to fight her oppressors.
keep that mary sue crap out of it
@@Jekiterio bruh, one piece is about fighting the opressors for freedom. Women or not. The hell
Bonney power remind me of Gladiator (Kallark) from Marvel.
Gladiator's abilities increase and decrease in accordance with his level of confidence.
He can move across galaxies before Heimdall could blink, but should he lose confidence in his abilities, he can lose to much weaker opponents.
power scalling was always stupid.. enjoy the freaking story for what it is and not for what you want it to be...
I couldn’t have said this any better. I never gave a damn about power scaling not even once. I just enjoy the story for what it is, nothing more. People take OP so seriously when it’s really not meant to be taken seriously at all.
...who are you to tell people how to engage with a story lmao 😂
@@primedarkking10 Powerscaler spotted
@@neolucilfer7050 congrats. You gave no actual pushback and just mouthed into nothingness. Want a cookie?
@@primedarkking10 Congrats, you think your superior enough that when someone states their opinion you have a right to posture down to them. Powerscailing is stupid especially when it's taken to the extreme some do and if you think engaging with a story is just a constant bickering of Who beats who then yeah I don't need to pushback on anything cause you lot are already off the ledge. So do you want a cookie?
Just have Bonney copy other devil fruits aswell via getting stronger and awakening,
because why not at this point
the power of imagination is bonney's devil fruit power
@@ektran4205 therefore, as she gets stronger she'll copy other devil fruits powers from visual memory, espically with this whole concept of the "weight of memory"
I wouldn't be surprise if she can give herself a "Paw-ish" future (kuma's powers)
@@mistersureshot1749 she wont be be able to sustain forms for a long duration
bonny is hope summers from marvel comics
@@ektran4205 She doesn't need to sustain them for long periods, I mean its already shown that someone like Luffy stay in Gear 5th for that long.
Bonney can temporarly tap into fruits she visually seen for awhile and use their powers, even if its for a few attacks.
At least, thats what her Devil Fruit SHOULD be be capable of because of its potential.
@@mistersureshot1749 dude, I think you missed entirely the part of these chapters that Luffy is CONSTANTLY supporting, urging and empowering Bonney. She can only copy futures she can see herself in, or feel a strong connection to. Due to her entire backstory, for her it's Nika, and with Luffys constant encouragement and support, she managed to tap into a copy of the form. She can't copy Kaidos dragon fruit because she has 0 connection to that.
How many times does a piece of media have to beat this idea into peoples heads. It's not your powers and abilities that makes you special it's you that makes you special.
MCU Ironman told Spider-Man if you're nothing without the suit you don't deserve to have it.
Goku didn't get as strong as he did just because he was a Saiyan unlike Gohan, Vegeta, Broly, Trunks and Goten. Goku is actually a low class warrior. He doesn't have the natural power everyone else has.
The Omnitrix doesn't make Ben 10 a hero, Ben was already that to begin with.
Superman is a genuinely good person who wants to do the right thing and he would still do those things with or without his powers. Supergirl didn't take anything from
There's literally a laundry list's worth pf people. We were literally told Zoans have a will of their own, The Nika Fruit chose Luffy because he was like Joy Boy, It doesn't make him Joy Boy. The DF is just another tool.
Power scalers are forgetting the Kido fight . I think this is meant to reinforce that the devil fruit doesn't matter. In the end haki determines the strongest.
It's a classic Oda move by confusing the powerscallers 😂 he is a troll
IIRC in one of his interview, he mentioned that he wanted to do controversial shit in the final arc to pissed people off on purpose.
@@famimame Based
no its horrible writing, that it is.
That one part of One Piece community before this: "Aww. Gear 5 is Nika power? One Piece is turning to Naruto or other mainstream shounen with their chosen one power. C'mon, Oda. You are falling off."
That same part community after this: "WTF, ODA!? Why Bonney can use Nika power too?! That's exclusive only for Luffy! This is BS!"
Classic behaviour of human nowadays lol. No matter what, they will always talk bad about literally everything.
I mean this is badly written, Nika was horribly retconned in to the story out of nowhere because Oda told so, and it even puts a lot of stuff in the past in question (not in a good way). Same with Bonney given she has seen Kuma during sabaody arc (Kuma was a warlord for a long time) but had no reaction to it, vice versa. Also Bonney's devil fruit at first was implied its her power to manipulate her age (this was first time we got to see her), then made in to she can manipulate ages of other objects (okay so she is kinda like Sugar to a degree), then retcon in to being able to mimic awakened form of a mythical zoan.. No just no this is horrible writing and actual makes one piece in to a sunday cartoon show. I am not sure if you know this, but other shows have been cancelled for something far less stupid things than this (fairy tale, naruto with zetsu, etc). I think one piece fans needs to be honest and call out when bullshit like this are published. Other manga/anime reviewers calls out the flaws with their show, but for some reason the one piece reviewers are so fricking biased and is literally a cult following.
Gear 5 is already one of the worst power up in manga history. Of course people hate a second
@@Jekiterioplease go spend time doing something else instead of typing an essay. i would think this is something like a 15 year old like me would do if i was bored. i would never do this tho. what is the point of typing this and wasting all my energy on people i will never see irl. wasting the energy in my muscles in my hands and fingers. i have the time to do it but there's other stuff to do. most of my day i eat, i drink, i eat my snacks i play games, i read, i watch vids, i talk to my friends, i talk to my girlfriend, i go outside. even if you're not an adult that's even worse because you have more time than most adults so don't take that for granted. well have a nice day hopefully by the time you read this you have ate a good meal. you have stay hydrated and you have gotten good sleep. if you are tired please go to sleep. hopefully you have a nice morning, afternoon, evening, night.
Jayden out lol.
If people are mad now, just wait for the moment when bonny spreads it to her allies and the strawhats.
Not possible at the moment, unless the power can be awakened or something. Distorted future power has been established to only work on Bonney herself.
@@famimame well, she already put luffy in his "bad future"
She did not only make him old but also picked the timeline where things go wrong
Im definitely part of the people who are on the fence I just think that this happens kinda takes away from what nika is though i like it if i think about it it makes me feel off
I'm still waiting for Sanji to simp Bonney so hard.
@@thedude-nf1uf its not his first time
Why would someone want to see that
@@thedude-nf1uf tourist detected
bro she's 12
@@thedude-nf1uf STFU it is drawings!
I’m so far behind in One Piece, I read up to vol 25 last year but haven’t read a new volume in over 9 months. But I’m still keeping up to date buying the volumes.
I always thought watching one piece is a story where powerscaling doesn't fit.
Powerscalers after ch. 1118: "Nooo, why Oda doing this"
Me after ch. 1118: "Lmao, Imu gonna shit itself and go "This is getting out of hand, now there's two of em""
People make it sound like Bonney cheapened the power of Gear 5. Instead to me, this looks more like a further testament to how powerful Luffy's awakening is. He AWAKENED the spirit of Nika in someone else! Just like how his awakening makes the world around him rubbery, his awakened power stirs up the spirit of Joyboy in people around him. Bonney transformed because of him, not because Oda wrote this as an asspull.
I think it is actually beautiful van kinda makes me Emotional 😢❤ what Luffy does and just the freedom he gives to everybody to be who they wanna be
Power scalers are just wannabe scientist so them getting mad is actually a blessing lmaoooooooooooooo
I don't think powerscalers are the only people mad at this chapter
Goes to UA-cam... I’ve only seen people who care about power scaling that have a hard time accepting it. Every single one of them.
@@FrostyMts I've only seen the opposite people how don't like this chapter because of what they think it does for the story outside of powerscaleing
Honestly plot and world building consistency have been quite a chaos ever since the crew entered new world
@@cobyphantom4447god of saviour casually told their worshipper that he believes in their potential and know they can be as strong as him if they truly wish for it ... Sounds like a good guy things to me
@@cobyphantom4447 literally haven't encountered that at all. Everyone seems to agree that from a story perspective, it's a beautiful development, they are just mad that 'Bonney's fruit is too strong'
Hm, agreed.
Let’s see how the Next Chapter will add to the conversation.
Before Egghead my impression of the Elders was that mostly they were just oldman ruling the world goverment and that probalby some of them could fight like Samurai Ghandi but nowhere near Yonko probably around admiral.
Now with the reveal that they are all literal monsters I was pleasantly suprised, they are still bellow yonko and the fact that they are seemingly imortal means that they dont have to worry about defense so even the weaker strawhats can damage them, because the elders know they will just regenerate.
I didn't get any sense of confusion from the elders' power level, maybe it's just because I started reading recently and haven't been waiting, having them build up for years, but I always figured they would be either around this level or have no powers at all. To me, they are threatening because of their political power. The navy was always supposed to be the powerhouse of the government, the government itself doesn't need to be physically strong.
Them being weaker than the emperors also makes way more sense from a logistical perspective. Think about it, if each elder was as strong as an emperor, or even if they were strong enough to take out an emperor's crew together, why wouldn't they just do that? There would be no point in scheming over years to maintain control of the world if you're stronger than everyone else and no one can challenge you. The government could simply kill anyone who gets in their way. The reason they can't do that is because the pirates and government are supposed to be in a balance of power, where neither can easily destroy the other. If the elders were that powerful, there would be no balance of power.
Honestly, Oda does a far better job being consistent with character power levels than most other Shonen authors. He just gets a bad rap.
Bonney obtaining a form that Luffy worked way harder for has nothing to do with power scaling.
I’m a power scaler but that’s not why I dislike this choice from Oda.
The irony that ppl can only see things from a limited perspective while the story itself is breaking free from restraints.
Nice copium, but that doesn't save it from bad writing.
@@WieldMyWordare you a storytelling teacher? I don't think those exist and you're not a critic so everything is like food. Some people like it cooked. Some people don't like it cooked, they like it raw. Some people like it crispy. Some people don't like it crispy. It is only bad writing to you. Which is okay because not having the same opinion or taste is what makes us human. Trying to put your opinion on others is not a good thing. Also don't reply to me if you do you're going to make me lose more chromosomes because I have autism and I can't afford to lose those. Plus I am a 15 year old kid so I don't want to be arguing with some adults.
I thought it was obvious with that going with that direction like couple of chapters ago where Saturn explain Bonny Fruit and this was the logical conclusion with her seeing and believing. I sometimes think people forgotten that
The power scale doesn’t bother me. What bothers me it seems like Bonny is just a random god among devil fruits she has no limitations as to what she can do with her devil fruit. She can just copy any devil fruit or anything she can imagine it and has a good mental state.
As an outside of people who watch One Piece. I have heard of numerous ridiculously broken devil fruits.
@phantom-ri2tg devil fruits can be broken, but they typically have a rules etc. Bonny's seemingly has none. She can essentially imitate ANY devilfruit. There's no reason to believe she couldn't also copy the gorosei's oni fruit
@@calvinwilson3617 Hers has rules. Even now she can't just effortlessly copy any power she wants to.
@@phantom-ri2tg why not? Shes only going to get stronger and eventually awaken.
Its in her arsenal to visual see a devil fruit user at work, and copy it even if temporarily
@@ladyhero8528 Has she done so yet? If she hasn't done so yet that means there is rules stopping her.
Spot on analysis!
I don't know if people can be in denial that much.
I am sorry but they should have seen this coming since a long time ago when we knew about Bonney's ability, at the very least when she copied Gear 3rd.
And even then, it's such a natural progression of her ability. Love it so much.
It even proves no matter what, Luffy's Devil Fruit, in the end, is just a Devil Fruit. Nothing fundamentally special about it.
People fail to realize that we still havent seen bonny fight in Nika form. Maybe she will only be able to use gum gum dawn gun and atudd but maybe she w9nt be able to turn her surroundings into rubber
People need to wait. Both sides are going at extremes and being correct with thier points equally.
We just need to wait and see how this pans out.
How far ahead is this chapter from the anime?
~40. The most recent episode covered chapter 1076, while this is chapter 1118
When powerscalers hate something, that something is always 100% awesome.
Is boney going to die. She is seemingly too broken and the track record for op side characters isnt always good. Is she going to be another ace (not in the op aspect ofcourse)
People don’t understand Bonney isn’t gonna be anywhere near as strong as Luffy is. It's more so the freedom to choose her future through the narrative around her character arc.
I dont like it and im not a power scaler
1: devil fruits have NEVER BEEN FAIR. how difficult a fruit is to use does not relate to how strong it actually is. perfect examples of this is both luffy and doffys fruits being hard to master yet doffys aint all that strong while luffys is, on the other hand whitebeards fruit is easy to use and disgustingly powerfull and so is boneys.
2: luffy has also beaten awakened fruit users without awakening so boney copying awakened powers means nothing especially when considering that prior to this theres atleast 3 other fruits SUPERIOR TO THE NIKA (yami/quake/imus). another OP fruit isnt somethig new.
It's kinda the same as what happened with Luffy. He originally had the "rubber" fruit, but then it got changed to "nika" aka "freedom" fruit which gives him these crazy abilities with whatever he can imagine. Bonney had the "age" fruit, but then it got changed to "future" instead, which gives her the ability to imagine any future. So if you hate one of these power-ups, you gotta hate both.
I love Frierens magic system, yes there are clearly mages you can consider more powerful but how the magic works it is never a free pass.
People out here complaining Bonnie got Gear 5 easily. How about the fact that Bonnie, technically, has access to ALL Devil Fruit powers and a version of herself with mastery of all 3 types of Haki. Her devilfruit is so broken it's crazy.
I also think it's too soon to be pinning down the power levels of the Gorosei. Egghead has been a wild combination of different match-ups and constantly shifting win conditions for both sides of this conflict since the rest of the Gorosei and giants showed up
Im more of a fate powerscaler and i can we get things like this every second,a character having a more bullshit ability than the other but end up loving them at the end of the day.but one piece community is just a who different breed of toxic epecially with powerscaling
The power scaling community is cringe and has taken the fun away from a lot of these battle manga. I loved this chapter. Bonney looked great in G5 transformation.
I dont dislike it from a powerscaling pov, i dislike it because it invalidates luffy being the 'true' joyboy when someone without the nika devil fruit can become nika. This basically confirms bonnie can immitate literally ANY devil fruit she wants
Luffy isn't Joyboy. That is the point of his reply to Kaido on Wano, when he said "I am Monkey D. Luffy".
Luffy isn't meant to be the New Joyboy. Just like how Luffy isn't supposed to be the new Gol D. Roger.
Joyboy is someone who used the Nika fruit and failed. Just like how Roger became the Pirate King, but failed overall. Both Joyboy and Roger was waiting for someone to succeed where they failed and that is Luffy.
Luffy is supposed to be different. Kaido has already said this, but "It is not a DF, but haki that will allow someone to be on top".
The only thing I’ll say is that I think this should’ve been saved for the next arc. With how much stuff that’s going on in this arc, it does kinda feel like, “ok now this is happening,”. I don’t know if that makes any sense to anyone, but overall I don’t have a problem with Bonnie turning into Joyboy, I was expecting it to happen.
Lool Gear 5 been a joke since it's debut tbh. Like has some cool moments but it's pretty silly and dumb of something supposed to be his strongest current form
Oh well? We had this conversation two years ago in March 2022.
@@realjayv3n so point being complaining about what happens with this form is silly cause the form itself has always been dumb
Look. I love one piece. But although im not as pained as most, i cant help but feel boney turning gear 5th takes away from luffy in away. Gear 5th is a special form of legend so its kinda weird seeing two of them. But ill let oda cook
Tbh I'm not reading the manga, I'm an anime only, and seeing this right now I think bonney being able to do this doesn't makes any sense, because I thought that the Nika form was a special form for Luffy's fruit, so it doesn't matter how "free" someone with a random devil fruit is, they wouldn't be able to access that form. Unless Luffy's gear 5 power somehow managed to change Bonney too with the toon force thing.
Oda is making everything less serious with all these shenigans. With all the Gorosei,vice admirals, admiral kizaru, serphims, & 100'ships with navy power can't do shit to SH'S side . But here we have people can't stop sucking upto GODA
Almost like you never even read or watch one piece. Also, do you really think Vice Admirals would do anything when Luffy was dealing with them pre-timeskip and sure Kizaru is strong but Luffy is a Yonko now? I understand the Gorosei since they're supposed to be final villain material, but they have been tiring him out + They were more worried about Vegapunk's message.
Personally I suspect that Bonnie using this form is a result of both her distorted future and Luffy's own awakening. Remember that Luffy's reality warping powers affect other people too.
Bonney just needed the last piece of her puzzle.
The power of using any devil fruit with distorted future is very very op... Not just their basic ability... But their full awakened form
I do wonder if Gear 5 is the time for Luffy to pass the Red Line
I don't hate it for power scaling reasons, I don't really care about all that. I hate that it makes Luffy being Nika and everything seem less special.
And that's why Oda make this. Being a human with Nika power isn't exclusive for Luffy only. Bonney can be Nika too shows us that being Nika isn't that special. Having Nika power isn't enough for Luffy to reach his dream. After all, the previous Nika power user a.k.a Joyboy even failed to do what he wanted. Luffy needs to go beyond Joyboy and Nika, who is only a legend. Luffy really need to be special.
I've written this somewhere. This chapter actually shows that because being Nika is not only Luffy's thing, and this proves that Luffy will still be Monkey D. Luffy in the end. Not a reincarnated Joyboy or Nika's personalization. After all, technically, everyone can be Nika too.
You pretend like Luffy being Nika or having Gear 5 is what makes Luffy special... Luffy has been special in his own right and the recent chapter hardly takes away anything from him... the fact that Bonney can do Gear 5 is merely superficial and hardly undermines what makes Luffy unique. Bonney doesnt have charisma like Luffy that surrounds him with allies, bonney isnt respected the same way Luffy was, luffy doesnt have a sense of vengeance for Ace against Akainu that Bonney has for kuma against Gorosei.
This isnt like the Anakin from starwars being screwed over by its schittey disney writers.
Less special according to you but not for oda
The NIka Devil Fruit doesn't make Luffy Special. It picked him because he already was.
I actually love it for this exact reason. It's not 'Nika' that makes Luffy special. Luffy is special because he is Luffy, and nothing shows that better than this chapter, while being a beautiful moment for Bonny.
For me its less power scaling and more "oh god, if bonney can achieve a free form, whats to say anyone else cant?" I dont want a Naruto army of shared six paths chakra situation to happen with Nika 😂 thats mainly my fear. Suddenly everyone has white hair and a purple sash
Nah man. It’s beautiful writing. The most enslaved character in the series looking up at the two kids he bet on as the most free people in the world is beautiful. People are overreacting to two panels lol. Let’s see how this plays out.
naurto didnt share six path chakra what are you talking about it was just his?
So like, she is able to not just turn into a future version of herself, but ANY future version of herself?
Ok.
One Piece is the world where imagination and willpower determine your strength besides just training, some characters become extra strong just because they went "what if i did something stupid but funny in using my power because I believe thats how my power works".
Nah, this has nothing to do with powerscaling, people are mad cuz oda make it seem like luffy's nika nika no mi less unique since bonney could access it.
At least the Iron Giant did something compared to Monkey D. Dragon who keeps looking south.
I hope he keeps looking just to trigger people who keep thinking he has to do anything.
People in general are biased, emotional and surface level thinkers. In most scenarios the only 2 question that need to be asked/answered are "Does this narratively make sense and was the execution within the rules established in the verse? (unless of course its a character not bound by set rules then only question 1)
Fire rule of power scaling is if you fight one enemy they are far more powerful then many. Another rule is some one later in the story is more powerful
Even as someone who's not a fan of one piece, I know that the power scaling is made up by the community, and was never endorsed by Oda. It's pointless
Maybe it fits thematically but its still super lame in my opinion, it reminds me of the end of naruto with everyone having kyuubi cloaks. Maybe in the end one piece will be about the power of friendship with 50 gear 5th luffys raiding mariejois or something
Ah, yes. Logic. In Onepiece. That sounds about right.
The power scaling community can just stay quiet. It was already talked about that Bonney can do this. They cannot do their research and act like everything should be like Naruto, Bleach and Dragon Ball.
It doesnt undermine Luffy's power at all.
Luffy's Gear 5 is likely far superior to Bonney's, and im sure that will be demonstrated soon.
I loved the chapter
I may be toxic for this but I love it when Oda chooses fun over power scaling. lol Mostly because it enrages powerscalers. X3
That said I think Bonney joining her hero in battle while in Nika form is just plain sweet. ^^
There honestly there can't be an issues with the Gorosei's strength, because that's never been established. Sabo losing indicates their stronger than he is, and Vice Admiral Level Saboo's not that great himself.
That doesn't appy to how they can handle opponents objectively better than Sabo! They weren't even hyped up like the Samurai and actually have our expectations sunverted. The Straw Hats already survived their forces many of times, from Buster calls, Admiral attacks, A war against the Navy.
Already proving even then at their weakest. They can survive the World Government.
So for anyone to expect them to be capable of fully stopping an unexpected interference from the Straw Hats, with solely their own abilities. To complain about that, has utterly failed education.
The oh, Why couldn't Saturn end Bonney, why don't they just finish Vegapunk . Lol, ask y'allselves why do villians monologue instead of insta k.o. their opponents, and it's so prominent in stories from every medium, it's literally a joke. This ain't knew to storytelling!
The story never emphasized the power that makes the Gorosei end game antagonists was their personal abilities and combat power, no! It's their intelligence aka information, and why they fear others obtaining it. for so many factors this is what makes them the most fearsome enemies.
If y'all don't know that even in Reality, information is the strongest weapon and a major one that ends wars!
Soooo its tom and bugsbunny now ??
I won't be surprised if all elders get defeated in this one arc. It is odd we already seen their full transformations and they are struggling against one Gear 5 lol.
Oda really made all these gorosei, kizaru, V admirals, & 100's ships battalion clowns ngl. & Here we have people who can't stop sucking GODA
@@animeislove8127Oda rushing to the finish line perhaps?
@@NeoZero369 No he is the doing the opposite
Power scaling community always ignores the content of storytelling, as you can see I'm a diehard akainu fan, I know old ill wb with no advance haki beats my fav character in 1vs1, but power scaling community would never accept the fact that same WB is officially the strongest character in pretimeskip, old ill wb > kaido/big mom > shanks ... They would says anything they can to downplay both akainu and wb, because they wants to glorify their fav character like kaido/shanks, but the truth is in the story itself both yonko highly respect old ill WB for his strength and global influences ... Not even after wano ended we actually saw kaido/big mom/ shanks shows their individual power equal/greater than island splitting blow WB did against akainu, as WB single handedly defeats a top tier with no adv haki, only DF + basic haki was needed .... that's how overpowered WB is written
...the one thing most scalers will always tell you is always look at content and context
I don’t hate but raises a bunch of questions.
1. Why can Bonnie do it gear 5
2. If you feel “free” can anyone become Nika
1. Her devil fruit power allows her to access the alt timeline for a brief period.
2. No, because Bonney power is special in a way since it comes from a freakish human experimentation by the Gorosei that almost cost her life. She should not survive if not for Vegapunk intervention, that's how fk up the experiment is.
@@famimame by alt timeline you mean she can change the future like predict it correct? Me personally I don’t want time travel
@nickguzman424 her power really depends on her strong believe, she have been transforming into giant and buccaneer race using the power of alt timeline during this arc. It's not time travel, but time travel is already a thing in OP, Toki from Wano arc remember? But she only travel forward.
He literally used 1 attack in g5 and she passed out everyone chill.
It's not even about power scaling that's the issue here! Nice strawman though
Hello there again xD
My person views on the chapter fall in 2 pillars:
1) if this power is granted by bonneys devil fruit, I dislike it, as it feels like it dose not fit her thematically
2) if this power is granted by luffys words of “ you can do it, you can be free too” I like it, since it makes sense since luffy has been shown to share “freedoms”
In conclusion, next chapter will decide how i see this chapter
Bro, it's definitely the first option, and it completely fits her. It's her whole story passed down by her dad. I would have been flabbergasted if she hadn't copied Luffy's Fruit.
@@heyzoms how is being a warrior of liberation her story? From what I’ve read boney is a child seeking meaning, and love from her father, but now that he’s gone she is looking try and fix him and for some family, which fits perfectly with her theme of being granted “liberation” from luffy. IMO
@MFDavish You're right about what you typed being her story, but she can have more than one story. one's piece is all about passing on the will of others. Bonny's dad dreamed about Nika's Freedom, and now Bonny has claimed that freedom symbolically, by turning into Nika. I hope the rest of her story about her problem with her dad is resolved soon.
@@heyzoms I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I say that by receiving the powers from luffy it completes that “dream completion”theme.
@MFDavish I think either way, her becoming a Nika is cool, and luffy being able to give his powers to others is cool. I just thought that if i had to take bets on why she became Nika, it was because of her devil fruit that can turn her and others into whatever she believes is possible.
This isn't about power scaling and to simplify it that way is wrong. Luffy isn't the strongest in one piece so why would Anyone be upset about it? Stronger characters than the strawhats appear and disappear all the time.
The issue is in fact that it undermines the value of the gear 5th transformation. It's really that simple. Who cares about power levels in this context? Almost no one.
Oda could have also simply made a different design to show her own theme of liberation instead. It doesn't matter if it was foreshadowed at all. Just because something isn't an a$$pull doesn't mean it's not bad. It's bad.
Well, we can disagree on the kaido vs elders
Yes luffy escaped,but they didn't really attack him that much, and luffy escaped, didn't win
Because he was very much losing
Luffy is without a doubt over saturn, and probably over Peter, but there's a clear gap between him and warcury, and it's obviously not even close
And I'll be honest, warcury is definitely above kaido, kaido didn't walk out with zero damage against any of luffy's attacks
While warcury took no damage,and it damaged luffy himself, even in gear 5
even saturn aluded that Bonney could turn into nika if she saw it...
"It's a Gear 5 Bargain Sale"
Oda has been setting up Bonney to get Gear 5 powers. I am not sure why people are upset and surprised. For me, I thought this was wonderful since it basically gives Kuma his dream. He has been beaten down so much, and his sacrifice over his life was for two dreams, 1. For Nika to return to bring peace to the world. and 2. For Bonney to be safe and be able to reach her dreams. Giving her Gear 5 is perfect for this. Maybe others may worry about the mechanics of the story with respect to power scaling and such but for me, One Piece has always been about the heart and souls of characters and I was very happy to see Bonney reaching her and her father's dream after so much hardship.
He has only been setting up since the beginning of egghead. That's an asspull. This set up hasn't been a going on for a long time
@@alans2k20 Where do I say "a long time"? BTW, egghead arc started last September. Not particularly a sudden blindside.
Distorted future: I imagine a future…. Where I can beat Goku!!
One piece.....has never had good powerscaling. Actually no, it was decent pre timeskip when we had the strawhats having the Monster Trio being highlighted more in each arc. Post??? Nah.
Among the big 3 or just shonen in general, power scaling one piece never crossed my mind and didnt feel worth it. Especially when Luffy pulled second and third gear out of nowhere.
I havent kept up with one piece, but this doesnt seem to be a case of powerscaling. Its how this new power is obtained is what i think the problem is.
Just wait until the next chapter. This has happened time and time again, only for people to realise they were over-reacting.