Shanda Vander Ark Takes the Stand in Tortured Son Murder Trial Pt 1.
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- Michigan mom Shanda Vander Ark, accused torturing of her special needs teen son, takes the stand in her own defense. On direct examination, she testified that she "doesn't remember" the abuse and that it was her other son Paul who suggested hot sauce as a form of punishment.
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Vinny, I have tears in my eyes learning about how this woman tortured her son!! As a mother, I just can’t imagine how anyone could torture that precious little boy, Timothy!! She deserves the death penalty!! Thank you Vinny for your passion in getting justice for victims!! My heart breaks for Timothy! 💔💔
I despise this evil woman. Funny how she had another panic attack right before jury questions. Also, trying to put this on her oldest son. The Award goes to Shanda for 'I don't know '!!! Her famous words. Lock her up for lifetime without parole.
THIS woman makes Casey Anthony, Jodi Arias, Lori Vallow Daybell, Amber Heard, Susan Smith , look like baby dolls. Their defamation, their lies, even the murders, were quick, THIS SUB HUMAN DID THIS DAILY HOURLY FOR YEARS!!!!
Senator John McCain was made to take ice bath's... It was a remedy for hyperactive children....? Just saying see: book Faith of my Father's John McCain
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Since she neither really wanted him, nor could she take care of him; why didn't she just give him up for adoption?😢
I’ve raised 2 kids, one with a disability, on my own since I was 18 without a dime of support and I’m an orphan. I became disabled myself when my youngest was 8. Raised them with Less than $12,000 a year. Never harmed my kids, never regretted a day. She disgusts me.
These people are monsters! I don't have children but I have 2 dogs and couldn't imagine torturing or harming them ever!
❤!
Greetings from Florida 🐬 Your an Inspiration ❤ My Momma was an orphan and treated horrible 😢 As an adult She became a Great Humanitarian and helped kids till the day She died ❤
I admire women like you..❤
wow that’s incredible. definitely one of the hardest situations i’ve heard of! you are amazing.❤
She graduated from law school with honors and she can’t figure out legal custody?? She is pure evil!!!
More like she didn’t want legal custody.
@aprillester-proctor1006
I was thinking the same thing! It doesn’t make sense does it!
Lol🎉
From whatever happened in the other state, she’d had the kids taken away & was only supposed to get supervised visits
She is a LIAR.
The way she dramatically described how horrible her insomnia was while not realizing she’s on the stand for the death of her son where she tortured him by forcing him to stay awake?!?! Delusional
Evil, delusional, narc/sociopath.
There really arent that many resources. Especially a they get older. They can be very destructive if they are on the severe side of the spectrum. Almost impossible to handle if your dont have $ to get help.
not impossible to handle,I work in a group home with people considered on the severe side my son is also in the severe side there's always a way to manage these behaviors even the destruction it just requires patience, kindness, and empathy. clearly she had none of that. She could've sold her extra property to get her child proper medication but she is going to attempt to victimize herself as much as she can.@@jeannegarcia7325
@@jeannegarcia7325he wasn’t being destructive. he was ill. malnourished. unable to move around on his own towards the end of his life and literally not allowed to eat anything other than bread covered with a variety of disgusting things. disabled people are still people. human beings with thoughts and feelings. I have multiple disabled family members including a sister I care for myself, and SHAME ON YOU.
@@doggy2638 im sorry if I was rude or of it come out wrong. No offense. I can have my opinion.There is not any excuse for what was done to this child. I am so sad they actually starved him😢 He deserved better. However, no one in this family was able to provide the level of care he needed. He should have been removed from their care. The dad pretty much dropped him off at the crazy moms house and never looked back. He knew she was abusive. He just was tired of the kid staying up all night and destroying the house. Taking care of someone like this is a soul sucking experience. They didnt even have him in school! They could have put him with experts to help him. The child needed someone to love him and invest time in him. The dad was out. He kept the other normal child. This Boy was not even potty trained and he would do things like disconnect the water heater from the gas and take furniture apart . shanda herself had multiple issues. She could barely care for herself. She was trying to punish the autism out of him. She thought she could train it out like she does w the dogs.its shocking because she's educated and shiuld have known better. It doesnt work like that. Shame on me? Who do you think you are too say that to someone because they think differently. For what? I know several families with these situations and it is not easy especially when theres not a lot of money and theres already health challenges in the family. Sorry I dont paint things as rose colored. This child needed more than anyone was willing or able to give. Her would be alive if he was in a group homes or facility. She hated this kid because he was another full time job. He probably was a sweet kid but no one was talking care of him the way he needed or deserved.
It was a bad idea to have her take the stand. She is quite unlikeable, and obviously abused and starved her son to death.
Agree. A know it all. Smartest girl in the room, etc.
"Nothing to lose"
Her little “oh honey you’re not coordinated enough for that” comment shows her disdain and dislike for this child. She prob should have sat at the defense table and stayed quiet.
This is very telling. A loving parent would encourage and assist the child to improve and participate in their interests and dreams.
She's smirking when she says that
Totally agree!!
I agree, it was like she found joy in telling him that. Her demeanor screams no empathy.
yeah this just said it all. & how she keeps mentioning her younger son. the way she talks about them are very obviously completely different. crazy man
Narcissists always want to take the stand and it doesn't end very well for them.
She has no shame! Just will embarrass herself in public without a worry! Cray cray! 😝
it's nauseating how she check's up on the jury ..on point a Narcissist just like A.H. who constantly stared at the jury..very upsetting to me
Yes. Same as Murdaugh. Psychopathic Narcissists always think they are the smartest person in the room.
I’ve noticed she always looks at the jury, after she answers every question
She is so beyond narcissism. She is a remorseless psychopath.
Her inflated ego made her think that taking the stand would make her look good. She’s a monster.
She actually looks at the jury when talking as though it’s going to change how they view her.
@@I-serve-you-teaAmber Heard
Shanda is a prime example that you can be book-smart at the highest level and still be a dummy.
The braided pigtails are an interesting choice. I think it's meant to make her seem younger, more innocent. To me, it makes her seem somewhat more severe.
she looks pyscho to say the least, she's going down
@@elizabethchase6528Wednesday is from The Addams family, you should go watch Wednesday teaching lurch how to dance😂
She looks like one of those nazi ss women. God this woman is just horrible!!
Yes and I couldn’t help but stare at the very uneven length of them them. It makes her look even more unhinged. She gives off miss trunchbull vibes ( Matilda movie), I know she had a bun but still.
Jail braids.
For such a literate person, she only remembers what she chooses to remember. It's such a telling sign.
For sure
Convenient
absolutely. seems like it happens alot..along with the convenient " black outs"
Amen !!
@elizabethchase6528 ...erm...I was really referring to the "typical" excuse most murderers claim is reason why they just can't seem to recall their heinous crimes. But hey I'm sure her " panic attacks" are just as valid 🤭
She seems unaffected by the loss of this poor child. How heartbreaking to listen to how cold, how calculated and heartless her words are.
Hardly the grieving mother.
Thank you
Yeah. She’s not crying or sobbing. She’s a monster.
Now I know why Paul looks defeated and has to sink down in the chair every time he looks at her in his testimony 😢😢😢
She is of course the victim!
I survived being raised by an extremely abusive mother. This woman has some of the same traits my mother had. Narcissistic, lack of empathy. Need to have total control over the abused. Ability to put on an act for others so she can hide her real criminal actions. It's a form of evil. I am forever scarred by my experience. But my evil mother didn’t totally win. With hard work and a lot of professional support, I've made achievements, reached goals, and contributed to my community in a positive way.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. It sounds like you won. Good on you for getting to a place of light.
I'm so proud of you! You did better than me. My life purpose is just to work hard in order to feel normal.
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I had an abusive, mentally ill mother too. It wrecked my life for years but God helped me through it over the course of many years. Otherwise I would not have survived.
She has an excuse for everything. If she's smart enough to be taking the bar to become a lawyer, she's smart enough to ask her husband to forward prescriptions to her local pharmacy.
She knows exactly what she did and that's neglect and abuse her son to death.
Yeah, smart enough for all of that, but not smart enough to know her son was dying of starvation 🤷🏻♀️ go figure. Poor Timothy 😭💔
Yes, and with her legal know how she should have been able to get her son's medical insurance from her ex! I would also like to know how she home schooled two children if she went to work at 12 hours a day??
best part, in MI, if you want your meds at a new pharmacy you have to get the new pharmacy to contact the old pharmacy She wouldn’t have had to contact anyone but the new pharmacy and they would transfer it all for her
Proof that monsters masquerading as normal people walk among us. The fact that she’s so educated and in the field of law no less, makes this so much worse. I hope the jury finds her guilty and the judge sentences her to the maximum
@zimladyj84🎯
Tbh in this case, she doesn't come off as a particularly convincing type of "normal" compared to the average functional psychopath's performance, and it's wise to remember that class and status don't mean a thing when it comes to identifying dangerous people. Usually it's those of the higher class and status who wield the financial means to hold back most press coverage of their crimes, if not avoid the whole justice system entirely.
Its so scary how mamy extremely evil people are incredibly intelligent. Its frightening as hell
She doesn't look normal though
Theres no way she was working around judges and other lawyers and not functioning as was expected as a law clerk everyday, especially given her academic performance and her passing the bar.
She abused all of her kids. She’s an evil monster. Crying she can’t afford anything, but she’s got a brand new iPhone, watch, cameras, web service for those cameras. Cameras where she can scream and mentally abuse her kids through those. She’s disgusting and should never be released from prison. Ever.
But did you notice how she talked about the youngest
@@Monalisa0622I noticed that immediately. I feel like she's one of those people who quickly discards, and even hugely resents, the children of previous relationships that soured. "Little Man" was clearly her treasure.
@franb.3100 listening to this is extremely difficult. My stomach is in Knotts. I feel for her older Paul. He seemed scared of this woman. He was probably manipulate and now traumatized from what he had to do to his brother
@@Monalisa0622She clearly abused him too
😅@monolisa622 One of these monsters that likes kids while they are "babies". Then they are nothing. Like people who only like puppies. I hope she has a long, painful prison sentence.
What a liar!!!! You can take any child to any ER
And they refill prescriptions all the time!
she would have to take im to counselling and doc appointments t get scripts and she didnt want tooo!!!!! She loved her job more than her children
Yes you can take anyone to the ER. However, if it’s a minor child and you don’t have custody they won’t treat the child. She has the knowledge to get custody, yet she didn’t.
@@rosedolch8637no she would have gotten a 30 day supply from the we. I had to when my son was little and his dr. went out of Town.
@@user-uv4cl5vf5iI’m not from the US.
No offence, but do you mean to tell me the ER would turn away a child who needs urgent medical care?
It's so annoying how she kept looking over at the jury. She comes across so harsh, controlling & arrogant. She really thought she had an answer for everything no matter how outrageous & unbelievable.
Yes!!! I noticed that too how she keeps looking over at the jury. Like she's convincing them
But not as much or as annoying as Amber Heard during the Johnny Depp trial!
I mean, every time she spoke, or answered a question, she would look right at the jury!
She's talking about her dead son and it's like she's giving a presentation. She is disgusting. There are so many resources to help you with a special needs child. It takes a village. Shame on both of those parents for seeing him as a burden.
Totally agree
She is a sociopath.
Exactly. I have 2 sons with autism and I would never treat them like this. This is pure evil behavior!!!! I feel so sorry for that poor young man. Another case of evil narcissistic abuse!!!!
I could never let my children know what the word starving means. I’d go without before any of my children go to bed hungry. Yet, she starved him and punished him for eating.
After her son's testimony...he told the truth. How did he acquire his disability? Did she beat him? Lots of parents of with kids with autism are highly intelligent and also have autistic traits.
How does she look so old and young at the same time? Little Methhouse on the Prairie.
🤑I must say you hit the nail on the clipboard. Thanks for the comic relief. BTW, she took meds for her mental disorders, but her son’s medication “ran out “; and anyway the prescription wasn’t transferred, and she didn’t have legal custody , and she didn’t have the money to go to the doctor, and I didn’t know how to get the disability assistance.. I expect all these lapses of effort from an addict or disadvantaged mother. She has an Oklahoma law license, and is defiantly answering questions while disputing the attorney’s conclusions. I normally find something positive in watching trials. She disgusts me.
😂😂😂😂😂
“Oh there were PLENTY of issues with Timothy” … how can you talk like that about your dead child without being upset about it ??? It’s like she’s slandering his name even in death!
She says she has all the same conditions as him too
Ah Shanda, 1st lesson in law school: never allow the defendant to take the stand. You must have been monitoring the home cameras during that lecture.
She has an underlining of anger. It’s scary.
She's unhinged!
Sadly she will never admit to herself that she is at FAULT. May she rot in hell.
Exactly, and you see how she keeps looking at the Jury. She know exactly what she is doing. Smh, I can't stand this B***H. She calculating and evil, and thinks she's so smart but she's done!!!
She shows no remorse for her actions. She's treating her trial more like a job interview.
Apparently, she believes she is above the law.
All that law school and to end up behind bars for something so pure and evil smfh…. I think she pre planed this..
As soon as she said, “sweetie you don’t have the coordination for that” made it very clear.
I thought the same
I doubt she said it as nicely though.
It not what you say, it’s how you say it and that tone says it all.
She hated him due to not having her same educated gynes. Extremely selfish and inconsiderate her to fill that way towards her own flesh and blood 😢😢
This women should be locked up forever.
Yeah one of the craziest we have seen huh? It’s astounding how they will force a trial and humiliate themselves in public knowing they are going to a nasty prison forever! 🤦♀️
she is beyond despicable & evil.
Creeepy. Right out of “ Misery “.
I agree
And TORTURED daily
She took off when CPS starting investigating her abusive behaviors... her own son testified with text proof that she told him to poor hot sauce on her special needs son's genitals... she can rot in prison. 😡
She has an excuse for everything. If she's smart enough to be taking the bar to become a lawyer, she's smart enough to ask her husband to forward prescriptions to her local pharmacy.
She knows exactly what she did and that's neglect and abuse her son to death.
Evil and psychotic. What a monster!
That and the pizza roll story made my blood boil. I mean, it was all horrendous, but for some reason, that just really demonstrated her pure evil. Then to watch it all at work to make sure he wasn't being shown basic kindness!? It's terrifying knowing people like this walk among us.
Summa cum laude, law school, tech savvy but doesn't know that 65 pounds and a diet of bread is too light for a 15 year old. I can't even listen to this, she's sickening, just throw her in jail.
Under the jail!
And throw away the key
Why did she have custody
Her hair is totally styled like that to make her look young and innocent. 🤮 She’s a monster. Hope she rots in jail. She acts like she had the right to kill him and torture him bc he was ‘so difficult’ 😡
I agree that is her motivation but it backfires horribly. She looks like a cross between Nurse Ratched and that old movie the Bad Seed.
@@yankeecitygirl Totally does and of course it backfires on her.
Yes she looks like a 50 year old woman with a little girls hair style. She looks STUPID. The way she frowns pisses me off, she looks like a weirdo. She’s drinking too much water! I don’t think she’s smart. She’s evil.
@@yankeecitygirl Wednesday from the Addams Family was my first thought but she wasn't evil. Oh yes Nurse Ratchet and The Bad Seed....totally evil child.
It’s styled like that because she’s preparing for getting dragged in jail😂
I can feel her rage ...she can't hide it ...
Agree!
She knew how to obtain custody, get him into school, get an insurance card, etc. She just didn't want to.
She legally wasn't supposed to have custody of him that's why she couldn't. She was only supposed to have supervised visits.
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@@christinasanders6727
Then the Dad, since he wasn't able to take of him, should have went back to court or DOFS & told them he thought he could no longer handle him. He wouldn't have ended up in her "care"; that lead to his death.😢
She absolutely loves that she is the centre of attention.
Hopes she enjoys is because she’s going to live the rest of her life in obscurity rotting away in prison.
She did until the prosecutor put it on her.
So, she's a smart psychopath...
right!!!! just found out she attended Western Michigan University Cooley Law School and passed the bar exam on her first attempt
Apparently she’s highly intelligent, but couldn’t figure out a way to get Timothy medical insurance and mental treatment 😒
Bingo!
But the insomnia/adhd/etc seriously impacted her! 😂😂😂 Honestly, she's such a liar, she just wanted to toture him instead of help him
Yes bingo
I don’t see any way that she’ll get off for this. This mother systematically tortured her son to death. She can make all the excuses she wants, but the texts speak for themself. She can try to put all the blame on her son but that’s your house and you came home to see your son in his tortured condition everyday & did nothing. It’s giving nothing but evil and sadistic.
She’ll get life for this. Michigan courts aren’t lenient on this kind of crime.
She's trying to blame the passed child "cuz he was such a pain & inconvenience"!
She is the one who ordered Paul (son) to torture Timothy! She watched on the cameras as he did it. In one of the text when Paul hadn’t done as ordered she texted him questioning why he hadn’t done it yet!
theres absolutely no way shes getting off , shes a bright woman and she had a house full of food and a good job, literally no excuse for cruelty , if you cant cope with a special needs child then admit it and ask for help
@@StellaKnights exactly what I'm saying! There ain't nothing wrong with calling up the local DHS or even just counselors to have them help you cuz a good family counselor can help you in court and everything so there was plenty of options out there for her she didn't have to starve that child she did that s*** fully intentionally because of her working at the court system you know damn well she knew the in and outs of the laws and how to act right and she had a service dog for herself did you notice that? That she said she had the pretty much same diagnosis as a little boy and she was such a poor little thing for heaven the same diagnosis is and she had herself all taken care of but her messed up mental genes are what affected her children she should have thought about that before she spread her legs
The jury must be repulsed just looking at her. No matter how innocent the defense attorney wants to dress her, her evilness still seeps through.
Notice how she answers the questions quite fast and in a manor of authority a little too much. She is beyond repair! and that face say's it all, those poor children.
She’s trying to appear confident with her answers. Likely not working in her favor. Her answers are scripted.
along with here rapid speaking, she comes across like a lunatic
Im just thinking the same thing
Similar to Amber Heard. The constant glances towards the jury too
Couldn’t afford medical expenses, but afforded to get multiple cameras and equipment to watch everyone in every room. And why, when watching this, am I reminded of Amber Heard? 😂 Who was homeschooling these kids if she was gone 12 hours a day?
I thought the same thing.
Yeah, even the weirdo over-exaggerated expressions.
She had flashcards 🤑🤣
Stating the reason for having cameras in her youngest’s room as being that he took his clothes off
To be fair the leading causes of debt in this country is for medical reasons, medicine and medical care in this country is not cheap. Not having medical insurance I'd still feel more comfortable purchasing any number of camera equipment before getting hurt and visiting a doctor
Did she give birth to this child???? The way she talks about him as if he was an unwanted stranger. I'm shook by her demeanour... 😢
I too am shookith. Seriously though I do hope the jury will see her for what she is,.. a monster!
This biotch is done for
EXACTLY HOW MY TAKE ON THIS...
I want to hear from the biological father of Timothy. At one point Shande was only allowed supervised visitation with Timothy. Shame on the bio Dad handing him over to her.
The whole phrasing of "when he came to us" in regards to Timothy and Paul is entirely bizarre. Like her very own children were actually elderly foster dogs with all kinds of issues who came to temporary live with her and she now has to "deal with."
I was a struggling single mom with a minimum wage job for my sons whole life. If I knew my child needed medical attention I would take him to the ER or the doctor. Medical bills can go on a payment plan. That is no excuse.
Most unlikeable witness/defendant EVER. What a beast.
I don't recall one time, when taking my child to the Dr., that they requested to see custody papers. Not once. My grandchildren live with their father and step mother; no legal custody has ever been established in the courts, and still, they all go to the Dr., the dentist, had a broken arm treated in the hospital. Not once were "custody" papers ever required; you sign as "legal guardian", largely to know who to send the bill to.
And claiming she went to law school and worked with judges, you would think she would have help in finding a way to get the services she needed for her son. I feel so sorry for her son, who testified. He had to be handcuffed while he testified, but she didn't. It should be her handcuffed
No doctor will turn away a child.
I live in Arkansas, I have had HELL trying to get my oldest seen since he came back home 3 years ago. He was with me his whole life, but he wanted to go and “see” if he could live with his dad and his new wife. It was awful.. the things I could tell you, but my point is, even after he ran away and came back home I had to fight and fight and it was like pulling teeth to get ANY thing done medically. Dentist, therapy, school. All of it. His dad wouldn’t ( and still won’t ) let me have his medical card or info. We’ve been in a 3 year long battle over it all. It’s utter BS!! He’s not fighting for me to have custody back, but he’s fighting on medical ( I want nothing to do with his insurance, I just want to carry him on mine ) and he’s fighting me on child support. It’s ridiculous to have this prolonged of a battle. The doctors office, school, dentist all fought me. Their hands were tied. Because I did not have legal custody of him anymore. There was nothing they could do until his father either came down and did the paperwork and brought the medical insurance with him, or if I got custody myself,. It’s been hell… They didn’t necessarily turn him away, but there was nothing that they could do to treat him w/o insurance AND permission. I learned to stop telling them anything about not having custody of him at this time. That was my way around it. And I just started paying cash. It’s not been easy. I have no help from him. I have three other children children. It’s crazy. Something in the system needs to help those of us who are battling in situations like this. to someway force the other parent to follow through for the sake of the child. Having said all of that, SHE IS THE DEVIL!!! 👿
@@MizDBMe move to California.
@@MizDBMeI'm so sorry. And going through court is expensive as hell. Thank you for telling us about your experience. There is so little support for parents of kids with disabilities.
She’s going for a mental incompetence defense. She knew full well there were leg irons and zip ties, yet she’s claiming “dissociation “, not remembering, blaming her older son.
seriously. She was busy abusing the other son
@@gjh9299 i agree, older son was also abused. She relinquished all care of those children. She is the PARENT! responsible, yet trying to put blame on the older son. Despicable.
No she is not as she can’t as per the judge that was denied! She has no psyche eval or psychiatrist testifying to any mental illness as you see! It wasn’t allowed as it was false!
Where does is say that she plead Not Guilty be mental incompetence?
@@tracysires2234 that’s what she’s going for. Have you not paid attention? Claiming “dissociative disorder”, sleep deprivation, ocd, adhd, etc? Plus trauma from husband’s stroke..ptsd? She has a whole coctail she’s claiming.
This was not a wise defense strategy - she ain't passing the vibe check, to put it generously. She's clearly applying a _theory_ of jury appeasement, but in practice fully neglected any emotional connection or interpretation of her behaviour for the jury to empathise with.
Another strange thing about this case is the people in the court house know her. She was a judge's clerk, crazy to be on trial where you work
can't believe how evil people can be to children. How did she work for a judge with such terrible memory These child abuse cases are getting worse and worse. Please people if you suspect these things going on make a call,make a call do something.
Oklahoma dropped the ball when she moved to Michigan.
She remembers what she wants to remember....selective memory.
So he only joined her in 2021 and she was arrested in 2022!! It didn’t take her long to kill him 💔
Imagine getting upset that your kid ate some food
"Sorry sweety you don't have the coordination for that" what an evil monster
For somebody that killed their child I cant believe how calm shes answering these question as if shes on a casual job interview smh
Cause she's a sociopath she doesn't feel anything for poor Timothy
Yea the Laura Ingle pigtail is not gonna cut it this time.
She's more like that other one who was so mean with blonde hair I can't even think of her name
Nellie Olson evil
She is desperately trying to be a know it all teenager. She is a weapon. My God she worked as a Dog Trainer , did she think the children were Dogs ?.
@@MissouriPenny thank you. Nelly Olsen she's the one
It looks so creepy when the defendants testifying looks at the jury🤥
That's exactly what I was thinking. Like amber Heard
Yes. You are supposed to answer towards the person asking.
it’s a psychological tactic to try to connect with the jury. if you make eye contact with someone you’re more likely to humanize them and feel empathy so they use it to their advantage while telling their disgusting sob story. thankfully many people can snap themselves out of it and not fall for it
@@vickyac9555that’s exactly what I thought too
, I was thinking the very same thing Amber Heard vibes!
Her goose is totally cooked. It is clear she was torturing that kid. I even want her to face charges for bringing Paul into her abuse.
Me to
She’s not showing any remorse. If that was my child I’d be devastated. She will be found guilty
This has GOT to be the MOST HATED woman in America right now!!!
Apart from other evil women In America we In the uk have 2 evil women that just got sentenced for drugging patients and stealing medicines from NHS I know court tv would never report on that nor when lucy ledby got sentence for killing babies
The most hated woman (Lori Vallow)had to hand over her evil disgusting reigns to the next psycho. Then unfornately theyll be more
Toss up between her and Lori Daybell.
There’s Ms Schabusiness
No that’s the mean girl Payne for sure as nr 1 public enemy after her acts and lying testimony and smug face!
I don't care what this woman has to say. Nothing excuses what she did to Timothy. I really hope they find her guilty.
So, can the father of Timothy catch any charges for sending him to his mother, who wasn't allowed to be around him? Per court order.
Absolutely
This really sickens me. It really upsets me. I was pregnant one time and I lost my baby. I would be a phenomenal mom and love my child unconditionally and never ever ever even think for a split second of doing any of these heinous and atrocious things to her! Why on earth would a mom do this…. Devastating!
Sorry for your loss
@@vintagebeliever5023 thank you so much ❤️
So sorry for your loss. It’s really messed up how many women want children and can’t have them while there are vile beings like this lady out here with several.
🙏🪶try adoption from local socal services. You would be a wonderful mom!
While she had a chance at parenthood and you didnt, you are someone that will bring joy and happiness to those around you. This is your gift. Bless you.
How can they have her on if she doesn't remember her own text messages..... she is absolutely unbelievable, as Cold as ICE
She hated her child.
It's so hard to understand. She apparently loved him when he was little. Did her " little man" (Gabriel) take Michael's place as favored son? 😢
That’s what it is. For some reasons she hated him and tortured him with a cruelty so she could get some satisfaction. She is a very disturbed person.
I think she resented him. She resented the time and attention this special needs child needed or took from her. Some people can't handle the time and responsibility it takes to raise a special needs child. Especially one that gets into things or doesn't have a normal sleep pattern. But there is still no excuse for this kind of abuse to a child. Paul only lived with her for about a year. Sounds like she wanted him there for him to care for the special needs child, which is too much for a young man like that.
@@deebell8727 yet she didn’t seek any help from professionals. She made Paul to help her and I believe it was his share of punishment. She has five kids all together. I wonder how the older ones turned out to be?
@user-vr6io5xb9e her not seeking any professional help baffles me. With her education and work contacts I bet she could have found help. She could have gotten him medical and care and even school help. Why she never did this baffles me. Her excuses that her ex never gave her the information she needed is just ridiculous.
She has an excuse for everything! There is no excuse for a child to starve to death in the care of their mother. Health insurance or not a ER cannot turn you away.
The defense attorney is NOT helping this broad. Asking open ended questions, leading her to answers. Trying to put all the blame on her older son is sickening.
I can't stand the defense attorney!!! I agree, he's definitely not doing any favors for this momster. And he really got under my skin during the cross with the other son, Paul. At the end of the day, next to this so called "human mother," anyone looks saintly.
I don't understand why the father wasn't held responsible for letting Timothy live with this monster knowing that was not allowed through court. And the way both parents made this child out to be so horrible is just sad. My grandson is almost 5 a.d is non verbal autistic and his entire life is our priority.
Timothy’s biological father (Eric Ferguson) who had custody of him should also face some sort of charges for pushing his child (who he had legal custody of) to an abusive evil person. Neglectful!!
She said his dad never took him to doctors then later says how he had a gallon size bag of medication. I’m sorry if your kid needs a doctor you do it, you find a way. Then she says how his medication made him into a zombie and “it was horrific”. Lady! Look what you did to him?? That’s a nightmare! She is insane.
That’s exactly what I thought!! How dare she even use the word horrifying?!? She KILLED him! What a psychopath lying monster.
I was 27 when I became a mother, raised my child alone as well with very little money, having cancer twice and ADHD. Was it hard? Yes. Was it worth it? Hell YES!!! Never hurt my child, not one single day have passed for the last 22 years without me telling her "I love you to the moon and back", she was/is from the moment she grew in my belly, my sun my moon my oxygen my everything! This parody of a woman deserve to be put in isolation on one piece of bread and one glass of water a day for the rest of her life!
I can’t stand listening to direct when a defendant takes the stand, the rehearsed questions and answers and her sitting there all confident and chirpy, like she’s at a job interview and constantly looking at the jury is weird with AH vibes.
I’ll wait for cross
Nope she could have called insurance company. She could have filed full custody. Nope nothing but excuses after excuses when theirs a will their is a way!!!! Tell me something about your situation I can tell you their is not one excuse. If the father has full custody and said he couldn't take care of him. She could have called the cops for child abandonment. I mean no excuses
She wasn't allowed to have custody and her visits had to be supervised but she took him anyway because she didn't want him in foster care. He would have been better off in foster care and still alive.
All of the excuses in the world doesn't excuse what she did to that poor kid.
You can tell by watching Paul's testimony on the stand against her... he was literally afraid of her. So, for her to try to shift the blame onto Paul for Timothy's abuse and torture, and ultimate death, shows how sick and twisted her mind is. She didn't want to care for Timothy, which is why she did this to him.
I watched that boys testimony and cried. He’s abused too.
@@susiecredeur6969 look how skinny he is. Wow🥺
Exactly. She’s blaming everyone except herself when she was the main abuser. No way the jury doesn’t see how evil this beast is.
Couldn’t agree more… I have no doubt Paul was the victim of abuse most of his life and is no doubt on some form of spectrum too …… I hope they can help him she’s another level of evil and Justice will be served . It’s cases like these that make you thank god you’re not a defence lawyer ….
After hearing her testimonyI almost feel sorry for Paul !.. dragging your dying son out of a cold bath he’s been in for 9 hours and throwing him in a closet naked to die … does the death penalty not count in this type of crime in the USA! Sickening to the core to watch !
and she video taped what she did on that last day. she had him on camera and showed exaclty what she did drag him to the other room and left him on the floor somethig about pinching his nose closed i have to go rewatch what was on tape she didnt want played so people could see how evil she really was she knew he was dying and left him there. i bet he was deseased at least a day before they called 911 @@annmarron4499
When she said sorry sweetie you can't play baseball she's smirking
Pigtails can’t make a devil look innocent.
I think it makes her look even more menacing, the opposite of what she wanted. We've all heard she's a monster, and her attempts to make herself look innocent mean she understands what she did and is trying to deceive the jury... poorly. I hope the other prisoners don't allow her to eat as punishment when they find out who she is.
Legal grad but not smart enough to get child support when you are struggling...BS
It was stressful when your BABY BOY HAD NOTHING TO EAT and the one person he DEPENDED on to keep him alive FAILED HIM
she was quick to answer in the beginning and now that they are asking her about her son she conveniently does not remember
She is a control freak. She killed 1 son, now trying to blame the other one. And Paul aint no Saint. He knew what he was doing was wrong. They are sicko, both need to be locked away from society.
Paul is damaged product too but he is still responsible for what he did.
The punishment never ended, everything he did was punishable. She was obsessed with hurting this kid, it was her full time job. Every move he made was watched and punished. She's totally evil and she really hated that poor kid.. There's a special place in hell for parents like her. There has to be.
Convenient that she can't remember anything that implicates her. And I'm tired of them saying that he passed he was murdered.
She is pure evil
Couldn't put him in school or take him to the doctor because she "didn't have legal custody" sooo why didn't she go to court to get it?? She worked at a freaking court house! But yeah, let's blame the dead kid. 🙄🤦♀️ and they LITERALLY CANNOT WITHHOLD SCHOOL TRANSCRIPTS!!! She's so full of 💩💩💩
She had been DENIED custody. I wonder why.
He died under her care end of story. Go rot in prison.
Does it matter what excuses or reasons she comes up with? NO! NO EXCUSE for the torture of her own Son! She makes me so damn angry. If i could reach into the tv she would be in a world of trouble from me. 😡🤬
well yes it matters In the west we presume innocence until proven guilty. It isn't trial by social media. and yeah you're really scary rofl
What a heartless so called human being!! She is disgusting…How in the hell can a mother do this to her child!! Put her in jail and throw away the key..Life with no chance of parole is too good for this despicable so called person!!
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I d'ont believe a word she says, she's an EVIL MONSTER !!! Poor Paul he look's like he's a Zombie, he needs help. This is so sad !
He so needs therapy and to get away from her.
They need to lock this monster up and never let her out. I’m sorry I watched someone of a live stream and this is sickening ! I can’t even imagine what this young man went through in his final days!
Monitoring children as if they are convicted felons instead of getting them the support and care they need medically and psychologically is the new best practice in parenting! What a vile, sociopathic generation! That she can sit there and explain away her horrific actions beggars belief! It’s reprehensible!
This reminds me of the book "a child called it". This is so sad and so heartbreaking. Makes me sick!
Very sad story yet I believe he is thriving today.
Yes very much, so.
I remember that case 💔
Yes I saw him on UA-cam recently 🤗
Agree ...book was very shocking
Doesn't sound like a woman who's grieving the loss of a child....at all. Sounds like a woman who despised her child, which is not a good look for someone pleading not guilty.
She hated her son, killed him and believes somehow that she can sway the jury to take her side.
Giiiirl I have adhd and ptsd. An abusive ex and a disabled husband. 4 kids. 3 on the spectrum. Only after I was 40 did I get sleep meds. Cuz I was exhausted from years of no sleep. Yet I NEVER ABUSED THE KIDS! TALK TO THE HAND WOMEN!
She is a sociopath. Trying to blame Paul for everything. Her coworkers said she would neglect her work duties and just watched the cameras all day.
That was a lovely pitty party! It sounded like a whole lot of excuses to me. Did she have insomnia, or was she eating Adderall for her "A.D.H.D." and just spun out? Also, medical attention isn't refused if you don't have custody. How would they even know that? That's the biggest crock i have heard.
No matter how poor you are there is no excuse for this level of abuse
What a crock of bs. "I didn't have custody so I couldn't take him to the doctor! I don't have his insurance!" This stupid monster went to college. She KNOWS that ANYONE can go to the hospital, whether you have insurance or not. Medical bills piling up is nothig compared to having a child who is alive.
This defense attorney is TERRIBLE. And I'm thankful for that. Made it all the more obvious how she has no leg to stand on.
It's interesting how she remembers every little detail when she's questioned by her attorney but fails to remember everything and anything when questioned by the state.
Victim shaming at it’s best🤬
It's so sad to me that "messing with their water heater" wasn't a talent Shanda nor Timothy's father chose to recognize as a talent of Timothy's that could be channeled to his success and happiness.
📌 💯%! Out of all the obvious comments this is what I was thinking too. I hope this thought ran through the juries mind as well! She neglected to say that the ex husband was going to give him up to the State unless she took him. It makes me sad to say that in that case he would have been still alive today, maybe not better off with the State but alive.
@@FlintGirlVelda Yes, I agree. She wasn't qualified to be a mother. The qualifications are high and she missed the mark for sure.
I heard an attorney on UA-cam saying we need a line in the US for people that can call to say "I can't handle this!" in the same way that a vulnerable new mother can drop off a new baby at a Safe Place - unfortunately caring for children, disabled people, and elders isn't profitable if your clients don't have money. Not just a family problem but a societal problem.
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@@elizabethchase6528 Hi Elizabeth, I'm suggesting that what his mamma referred to as "messing around" with the water heater actually shows that he was smart young man who was interested in solving problems. Maybe he wanted to fix the water heater. I'm sorry that his interest in solving problems was not encouraged.
Oh okay, I don't know enough about his disability to have an opinion about that@@elizabethchase6528
Her little 'side eye' to the jurors would make me feel comfortable... monster !!
I have ptsd and adhd, along with bipolar disorder. You cannot blame those on being an evil person. This woman remembers certain things like how much her son weighed and how to make her coffee but conveniently forgets torturing her son. She’s awful
Everyone's fault but hers!
Does not matter how much she tries to justify her horrific actions of abuse; I think she is going down. She is evil minded!
I just watched the police body cam of the day he died. The house was a filthy, cluttered hoarding mess. Which is indictive of the mental well being of the family. And all I saw was chaos all around that house. So she used food as a form of having some control with all the chaos she was creating in that house. She didn't care Timothy died. All she cared about was covering her ass and blaming Timothy for dying.
Big Amber Heard vibes.
The trying to convince, over answering, strong eye contact, head tilts, talking with her hands, looking at the jury… it’s like watching the same person!
Same thing I thought.
exactly, makes it hard to watch for me..
Gawd. Can we please leave Amber Heard out of this?
Yep 100%, I thought exactly that 2 minutes in.
Cut from the same cloth - crazy.