With age comes wisdom. I bought a 2000 7.3 at age 19 and stacked a bullydog chip with an edge evolution tuner. Six months later my tranny was gone and so was $3,200 for the repair. I'm 31 now and my (I'm the owner) work vehicle is a bulletproofed 6.0 that is bone stock except for exhaust and an intake. Eventually, we learn that pushing an engine leads to an empty bank account. If you want to go fast, an 8,000lbs truck is not the answer.
+MoparMadness The 7.3 tranny isn't weak. I own a 2002 F-250 Super Duty. Never had a problem with it in STOCK configuration. That's funny you say "that" Mopar guy. It's more than a rumor Dodge has shit transmissions and rear ends.
John Doe 7.3 automatic transmissions do have problems all the time just as Dodge automatic transmissions do. Its not just me saying that it's very well known among diesel mechanics. Dodge's tranny problems are just more well known because it has been a problem for a lot more years
You should post this video on all the diesel forums. The kids there will jump down your throat if you suggest that they're nuts to do these ridiculous tunes. It was a good lecture.
Love the videos Bill, I watch them several times and have learned more than I ever could from books and I am glad you put these out there. Nice to see a true and passionate subject matter expert. I know where to go if I am ever in need of assistance.
Hey Bill. I just want to say Happy New Year and thank you. I am a pro tech with 30 years under the belt. I am a scope and scan guy who never sees diesel stuff. When I do it is a learning curve. The information you give out is greatly appreciated. When I first saw what you did with the heads I was BLOWN away. That steel O ring should be done from the factory. You know your shit sir. Well done. Very well done.
@@YankeeSoutherner1945 fast and cheap is easy. get a honda civic body for around $500 and throw in a v8 from a totaled mustang 5.0 for about a grand there i spent $1500 and a weeks time and now have a car about 2000 lbs curb weight and has almost 400hp (just weld the mustang subframe under the front of the honda and throw the mustang rear end under it and wire the key and run shifter cable and aftermarket triple gauges ) it's not a problem for anyone who can cut and weld and knows how to hook ignition to the harness cut from the mustang and it will be faster than you'll want to ever push it due to nearly halving the weight the motor was made for
Thanks for another great video Bill. Been watching all your videos and about to watch your "How To Buy a Used Powerstroke Diesel Truck" series for about the 4th time. Going out tomorrow to shop for a 2005-2007. Wish me luck. Hope to get up there in GA to see you some time maybe get some work done. Just wanted to say thank you for all the information I've gotten from you and putting yourself out there for us. Hope you had a great Christmas and Happy New Year. John in south FL
Whoa! That transition between the camera being used near the end of the video and the one used for the train a vet promo was startling! Amazing how different a camera can make things look. Filtered, or hyper real.
I love watching your videos! I've been telling any power stroke owners I see, about your website and UA-cam channel. I'm not a ford guy, nor a diesel fan, but I find these videos very informative and entertaining. I have one request. When you start filming the carnage, can you slow down a little bit? Sometimes, you pan through the grenade aftermath, and I can't even determine what part is what. Just a pile of kibbles and bits. Not asking for an hour movie, just slow the pan down a touch! Makes a more dramatic explanation of what can happen to an improperly modded power plant. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us, about these problems.
thanks again for another informative video sir. I have as I'm sure others have learned a tremendous amount of truck info that's helped us to better maintain our rigs and what parts etc to use.
Excellent video, Mr. Hewitt. My fiancée and I purchased an F350 to tow some trailers around. After going through your videos, website, and some other UA-cam channel videos regarding the 6.7 "Scorpion" engine in our 2013 (mfr date 12/12), I've come to realize we avoided the dreaded the ceramic-coated bearings in the turbo. I hear that is a good thing since they have been known to disintegrate. There are supposed to be steel bearings in this years' (2013) turbo. We purchased the Damerow Ford-Dealership truck (located in Beaverton, Oregon) with 64k miles on the odometer. It is the platinum trim level. Unbeknownst to me, the center console between the two front seats is permanent. I think we will be getting a trim level that has seating for 6. Why did Drew Bledsoe (former nfl QB) need to get this truck with this trim? I don't know, but we have his old truck and will be trading it in for a different one.
Happy Holidays Love your videos. I take excellent care of my truck on all maitaince, some would consider it too much. What tuning is out there for us guys that run no dpf but are looking for longevity tunes. I run gear head tunes on my HS and turn it down to stock when I tow. Thanks again for all you do
I would've liked to have known you were available. My father is 75 and had a very well maintained 2006 F-350 dually crew cab Lariat with maybe 153,000 papered miles. We always hauled hay and cattle. I had to convince him to trade it in on a 2014 Ford Transit Connect titanium. I spent $15,000 on 3 repairs always concerning injectors, EGR cooling system and related items. It's a nice great hefty truck when running but always building a large tab to keep running. Thank you for your advice and staying true. Joseph .
I know I want to 7.3 swap into my own F150 later on, but that amount of carnage from a tune that is way to hot without serious upgrades first is asking for trouble. The 6.7 is pretty bulletproof from people I have talked to but some I have talked to also have agreed to that as well. Love the videos and they have helped me in the planning of my engine swap as well.
Awesome video and information I have 7.3 with 241,000 and still runs great with enough power for pulling my 32 ft. 5th.wheel that weighs 16,000 pounds loaded
I have a buddy who ran the H&S Mini Maxx programmer & a turbo back straight pipe exhaust, his engine is done. The truck is now at a local dump just sitting there, he isn't going to put the money into to get a rebuild. It was a fast truck but like you said in this video, if you want to go fast you gotta spend money! You're videos are great, I own a 2006 Ford F-350 6.0 Powerstroke & it's running strong. Currently at 210,xxx miles.
Another good video Bill. I've worked for a Cat dealer for 25 yrs and built engines for most of that time. The bottom end of the 6.7's look a lot like the old 348 and 349's. They were overhead cam V12 and V16 engines. The over the road truck drivers always had to have more power and more power! The old 3406's took a lot. These new engines are incredible and at the same time crazy! I'm not sure about going back to a water cooled aftercooler but they are smarter than I am. Thanks for all the great info!
Read a story once about how a guy put a 3408 in his f350 (he was wery wrich) he then proceeded to have it modded to get a lot more power than it was designed for. It sat most of the time he owned it. Every time he romped the throttle it twisted the crank.
another great videoHere's a thought I've had as I've run into more and more quick diesles out on the road... With all the luxury and features these diesel trucks offer nowadays do you see your shop getting more "inexperienced" diesel owners coming in who have never owned a diesel before and break them trying to run them like a gasoline / spark engine? like revving the crap out of them or just slapping a tune on and not worrying about how hard you run it because "you don't have to worry about detonation" for instance? I see a lot of nice fast trucks out on the road and I can only imagine quite a few of those have been playing with fire by running a race tune on a stock engine.
Career Ford diesel master tech and FCA/GM tech here. While this guy makes some valid points, I respectfully dissagree with his philosophy. Not all people delete and tune trucks to have "industrial diesel phsyco tune" kinda power. Many delete and tune for reliability and service life.....tuning and deleting does not in and of itself destroy an engine. An intelligent driver who deletes and tunes a truck will in FACT lengthen the life of the engine. I personally own a 2012 F350 6.7L.....I have 11,291 engine hours including 5,906 idle hours. This totals 254,604 actual miles. My truck was in the oilfield here in the desert of NM for the first 121,000 miles of tough operating conditions, however as the mechanic who performed all the work on the truck, I knew it had been maintained well. When I purchased it I drove it about 6 months in stock form, mileage was terrible, power was just ok. Cost of DEF piss and hassle was ridiculous, and constant regenerating around town was a constant irritation. Considering that the majority of repairs I've made on th 6.7L are emissions related, its an obvious weakpoint in design. Just another case of government destroying perfectly good engines. Its obvious this guy is all for government regulation and throwing money away which is exactly what the emissions systems on these trucks accomplish. The emissions debate is never ending and I'm not here to sway anyone away from being environmentally responsible. Just think for yourself and come to your own well researched conclusion. I personally am of the opinion that modern emissions system are more detrimintal to the environment than helpful. You cant consider only the environmental impact of the truck itself, but also the impact of parts producation, logistics, maintenance, and as of the recent years the continuous impact of production of DEF and the waste stream produced just from that. California wants to ban straws but has no problam mandating plastic constainers that contain enough plastic for 5,000-10,000 straws....liberal ignorance at work. Also consider the massive loss of fuel economy due to emissions that result is massive additional crude oil usage which also has a significant environmental impact. My particular truck was lucky to get 24mpg on the highway and 14 in town. I could jump in my truck today and drive across the country and see 28-30mpg, and in town I now get 17mpg. If I baby it I can easily achieve 32mpg and thats with a 80 gallon fuel cell in the bed full. I have towed approximately 60,000 miles at or near max capacity. I have never opened the engine for any repairs. Truck still runs like new. Its my professional opinion that a deleted and tuned truck "PROPERLY" driven is far more durable and long lasting. #1 Never mash the throttle. Diesel engines have heavier parts and rate of rpm increase that is slower will lengthen engine life. Always roll into the throttle slowly, especally from flat idle. If you hear ANY type of pinging you have accelerated too quickly. If you see smoke exiting the tailpipe you have acclerated too quickly #2 Just because its tuned and deleted does NOT mean you have to be a jacksass rolling coal every chance you get or at the sight of a Prius.If your rolling coal you are damaging the engine and wasting fuel, with the added affect of looking like a jackass and damaging the reputation of diesel engines and truck owners, which certainly does not help our cuase at the government regulatory level. A 3rd point I'll make is that maintenance is HUUUUGE on these engines and vehicles. Never go the factory interval on the 6.7L and never use 15W40 oil in a 6.7. I've seen far too many turbo failures on engines running 15W40 to know there is a correlation. I personally recommend only 5w40 synthetic. Adding a bit of zinc additive is also a great idea. I do not believe younger people should have delete/tuned trucks but those who are older, wiser, and more responsible I dont see any problem. As for this youtuber's claim that dpf delete voids a ford warranty, I'll say as a Ford master diesel tech that he is absolutely full of crap. Only modifications that directly result in a failure are denied warranty coverage, and the modifications do not void the warranty as a whole with the exception of catastrophic engine damage that is due to a tune. I admit that is a reality, however that goes back to the way the truck is driven. I have performed warranty repairs on many diesel engines that have been deleted and tuned. If its not directly related its not an issue. This brings back a memory of a customer who brought in a truck with one of the supposed emissions legal tuners installed like the youtuber proclaims is gods gift to diesel trucks. I wont name the brand, its not important as they all have the same basic philosophy thats used to write the tune. This customer had a low power complaint. I looked at the truck and found the dpf was plugged nearly completely. I managed to save it, and instructed the customer to remove the tuner. The fool took the truck, and he pulled the tuner out of the truck and then came back with the truck on the hook for a no start. Diag found the dpf completely plugged, I asked the customer why he didnt remove the tune, he claimed he did, but I knew he just removed the tuner but never set the pcm back to stock. His dpf warranty claim was denied. In no way was his engine warranty effected. Of course you will run into super-techs here and there who feel like its their job to regulate and nit-pick every little thing just to try and void a warranty with the thought that it will then become a customer pay repair thus making them more money. I am a six figure tech without the desire to shaft the customer without reasonable consideration.
What tune do you recommend? I just recently purchased and a 2012 f250 6.7 with 139,xxx miles and ive heard stories of going tuned and deleted and I would like to get the maximum life out the truck, I Don't plan on using it for hauling or any of that? Whats the best way to keep the truck healthy and have it as long as possible?
Thanks for that information. I'm getting deleted next week. I'll stick with the street option they told me I'd have. I asked who made the tunes and no answer yet. I'd like to know so I know what I'm getting into. Can I always change them from another source to the SCTX4?
Hi bill what about the 2 rear cylinder including the valves and turbocharger issues you were talking about with the 6.7 litre with stock emissions when the truck goes in to regen it overheats the rear cylinder do you have any cure for that even with all emission equipement left on what was the total bill for a replacement engine like that on that truck. ?
Your question at 10:50 - "Did the rod fail first, or did the piston fail first?". The failure of the rod is at an angle that would suggest propagation of a fatigue crack. I would bet a dollar the rod went first.
It doesn't matter. Neither were designed to withstand the cylinder pressure, that is being created by these ridiculous tunes, and giant power gains. In other words, 1. Which is more likely to destroy a combustion chamber, when you light it, inside the cylinder ? A. (a firecracker) or B. (a stick of dynamite)
thomabb i bet the rod failed too if the would use better parts all forged not cheap cast shit these motors would handle just about anything you could throw at them and i bet people wouldnt mind spending a little extra money on a motor that was built to handle 1500 hp or better but they want them to fail so. You have to buy more from them and this is with all trucks and cars
do you guys have knowledge about the Jeep VM Motori 2.8L. I had a Failure of one at 110,000 miles. no tuning no mods I dont know if the counterbalance Shaft failed
Bill, are new bare block castings available for the 6.7? Every failed 6.7 I have encountered so far was user and or tuner related. We have a 2012 6.7 with over 200K on the clock and outside of factory recalls and regular maintenance have experienced zero issues. Thank you for all that you do.
I' am from Canada and don't know much about Powerstroke Help, or the gentleman in these video's. What I do know from my mechanical knowledge is I agree with everything he says and is the bible on these engines, I grateful for these video's.
Hello. Great information. I have one concern. I live in northern Canada. Where the temps in winter can regularly reach below -35 C. These urea systems freeze and fail all the time. Rendering my $67,000.00 pickup that I use everyday for work useless and me freezing to death. Also the constant idiling plugs the egr cooler. Is there any solution to keeping this urea from freezing or just getting rid of the urea system alone?
I've just bought a new well new to me 250/4x4 6.7 with 80k on it and hope it lasts a long while, what kind of things should I do to ensure that..... I'm new to this diesel stuff all together first one I've ever had I really enjoy watching your videos and thanks for the info
I've read that the connecting rods on the 6.7 is the weak point of the internals, that and the fuel system has its own issues and the turbo bearings and exhaust turbine explode
Bill, well said on tuning these trucks. I have a 2011 and a 2016. 16 is bone stock ( work truck ) and my 2011 is my POV. I have tried different tunes but the key is to stay close to stock numbers and leave the emissions there. DP as he said is a great company for tunes, I also recommend AM Diesel Performance and 5 Star tuning. All of them have great Emissions on tunes and will work with you to make that tune feel right to you. Shifting points, times and lengths are the most complaints on tunes. All 3 above have great starting points, but will tweak them to your liking. Don't go kill your trucks for crazy power, when these trucks are awesome enough as is. IF you do want to go crazy, you better start upgrading internals. If you don't and you break it, don't go blaming Ford, Its on you.
100% agree, tuning. Not saying too much tuning, but Bad trans tuning. In my opinion, the root cause is from Lugging w/too much converter lock up. That giant tune feeding those conditions....Massive amount of stress & heat generation! Then any microscopic impurity in that piston casting will show its face real quick. I think you're right on your assumption of piston failing first! You're the man! Your videos rock! (Diesel mechanic 20yrs running)
Bought my '03 F350 7.3 used at 155k miles about 6 months ago. Had a TS-6 position chip in it. First thing I did was yank that tuner out. I really want to run this truck another 15 years/150k miles, at least. Kind of sad to see what's becoming of these newer 6.4/6.7 trucks. Emissions is killing them, and the tuning to run em without emissions equipment is killing them too! Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
What tune do you recommend? I just recently purchased and a 2012 f250 6.7 with 139,xxx miles and ive heard stories of going tuned and deleted and I would like to get the maximum life out the truck, I Don't plan on using it for hauling or any of that? Whats the best way to keep the truck healthy and have it as long as possible? I would like to keep it as stock as possible but if i dont need to tune it even better?
bill..love all your videos..and I know you get alot of questions but after watching all of your videos I cant get a answer if your in support of deleteing or not deleting...
Kibbles and bits! So it's a good idea to keep the DPF on a 6.7L? I ditched the DPF on a 6.4L to keep that heat from killing the top end. Only daily drive the 150hp to keep the clutch happy.
Mr Bill my 2013 f250 6.7 has 75400 miles on it. When I start it the first time in the morning. As I pull off it will all of a sudden sound like a old dodge fo about five or seven seconds. Then it is gone. It does not do it all the time. Today it did it for about fifteen seconds. I went and spoke to the mechanic at the ford dealership. He asked about the regen light I told him it had been coming on a lot lately. He asked how much I drove it and I told him every day. Then he asked how far at one time I said 20 miles. Into the conversation he said it sounded like a valve or two were getting stuck and hitting the piston. He also said they had a short problem with that and it was usually on one side. Also I needed to bring it and leave it for a couple of days and see if it would do it for him. Do you have any thoughts on this. Please respond thanks.
Awesome videos!!! I am addicted to all of them. I don't own a power stroke, but I am a huge fan of them. It is kinda disheartening to watch these videos and see that even in stock for you are driving a ticking time bomb.... I want to buy a new f450. What am I supposed to do pay 75k and stick another 12k into it for piece of mind? What's the point of buying it then.... Why has Ford for sake it's most loyal customers..... 😔
Hey Bill, i'm in the market for a new truck and I've got my eye on a 6.4 on Ebay or of Texas. I'm looking for mainly a weekend truck that might turn into a daily work truck. What is your recommendation for improving the engine to get maximum reliability, life and reduced cost of ownership out of a truck with that engine. The truck in question had 128k miles on it. Thanks in advance, Jeff
Thanks for the video! I am looking to do a DPFand possibly an EGR delete on my 14' 6.7. I would like the extra range and it seems as though it would be a lot better for the life of the motor. I take great care of the truck and don't push it hard. I was thinking of using an economy tune when I get the tuner to deactivate the regen. Would this shorten the life of the motor? Thanks.
Great Video, Fascinating once again. I don't even own a PSD truck but one day I hope to. (they are very expensive here in the U.K) Keep up the good work Bill. From Adam in Scotland, U.K.
powerstrokehelp Just curious what does a motor cost on a 6.7L like the one here in the video. I have heard they are insanely expensive but anything fomoco is insane. What would a part build motor run?
looks like about 6 lawnmower motors someone ran E85 in whoooopeeee 2 stroke Dura Force Lawn Boy was run with 50:1 rather than 32:1 mix and the rod twisted kinda like the one you showed there. bout this close to coming apart...rtfm folks
Im sure it will be fine as long they keep it around the stock level tune. This guy was probably on performance tune with a trailer in tow. Big no no. The performance tune increases the timing and pressure inside the cylinder. Pair that with a heavy load and increased pressure on the engine and it goes boom.
powerstrokehelp, once i get my diesel. I have couple more years to save up, not to mention love the new style coming out, I'm going to send it to you and want you to pretty much bulletproof the shit out of the engine. Make it reliable unlike some of the videos i have been seeing on youtube.
So is there any way to tell how much tune is to much. Secondly what tuning do you recommend for the 6.0. I spent alot of time in the Northeast stones throw from Innovative tuning. Are Erics tunes pretty safe?
A mini maxx is one of the best options for tuning.. "a mini maxx has too much timing"? There are many different options for custom tunes through a mini maxx that are very safe to run with out a doubt. There are a one or two companies that really try and push an unsafe amount of power but that is not due to the H&S unit itself, that is due to that individuals tune files. Tuning these engines with out deleting the dpf is useless as well. The amount of emissions would increase with the dpf tuning on, and there for the dpf/scr would work harder to "clean up" the emissions and the dpf filter would clog/fill up quicker. With the correct custom tuning, a 6.7 with a stock bottom end will hold up to 650 generally. All about bringing the power on smoothly.
I can just image what the bill came to, my guess it was north of 15 K! For that kind of money I could spend December thru April on the South Island of New Zealand Fly fishing for trout till I just drop and still have plenty of cash left over to hit SW Montana from May to Oct! It seems to me that if you want to go fast buy a Corvette! A Truck like this, you buy for taking yourself out to the sticks on your hunting and fishing trips! But its his money and you are after all in the business of fixing this sort of stuff! To each his own I guess! I would love to have one with all the things that you do done- with a Camper on it and just see how many of the Nations trout streams I could fish in the next decade! Now all I need is a good boat load of money to make it happen! Oh and Happy New Year!
But you kind of say it's okay to delete the DPF and EGR on the 6.4 truck, which I did on your recommendation. I run a Spartan tuner with the DPF/EGR off, stock tune. How is it different for a 6.7 vs a 6.4?
I change all the oils when the truck tell me too .Its a 2016 F 350,Next oil change I want to go Amsoil full synthetic it has 30,000 miles but I need to know can you go without changing the oil for 25,000 miles with synthetic oils
So when the timing is advanced too much it destroys the bottom end of the engine? but I am assuming that there is an amount of timing advance that will not hurt the motor but still make more power?
"Speed costs money. How fast do you want to spend?"
An old journeyman mechanic I used to work under would have said “oil pan failure” oil pan failed to contain all the parts!!
With age comes wisdom. I bought a 2000 7.3 at age 19 and stacked a bullydog chip with an edge evolution tuner. Six months later my tranny was gone and so was $3,200 for the repair. I'm 31 now and my (I'm the owner) work vehicle is a bulletproofed 6.0 that is bone stock except for exhaust and an intake. Eventually, we learn that pushing an engine leads to an empty bank account. If you want to go fast, an 8,000lbs truck is not the answer.
Preach. haha
+Andrew B ...Do you want it fast or do you want it reliable.
+MoparMadness
The 7.3 tranny isn't weak. I own a 2002 F-250 Super Duty. Never had a problem with it in STOCK configuration.
That's funny you say "that" Mopar guy. It's more than a rumor Dodge has shit transmissions and rear ends.
bulletproofed is stock
John Doe 7.3 automatic transmissions do have problems all the time just as Dodge automatic transmissions do. Its not just me saying that it's very well known among diesel mechanics. Dodge's tranny problems are just more well known because it has been a problem for a lot more years
“Some industrial Diesel PSYCHO tune”
“Aoohhhwww put it on race tune and you can haul anything...NO YOU CANNOT!”
Haha, I love it
at first i was like, oh damn thats a big lift then i realized you were taking the cab off
+Dean Kruse Monster body lift! lol
You should post this video on all the diesel forums. The kids there will jump down your throat if you suggest that they're nuts to do these ridiculous tunes. It was a good lecture.
how the hell do you guys see in there? that's a very dark shop
+BiffBallbag Maybe it's the camera. Low exposure setting. ;)
Love the videos Bill, I watch them several times and have learned more than I ever could from books and I am glad you put these out there. Nice to see a true and passionate subject matter expert. I know where to go if I am ever in need of assistance.
You have got one hell of an operation. I’m glad I came to you guys when I did. Thank You.
Bill- Thank you for all the videos. I appreciate you sharing your expertise. Please keep them coming.
Hey Bill. I just want to say Happy New Year and thank you. I am a pro tech with 30 years under the belt. I am a scope and scan guy who never sees diesel stuff. When I do it is a learning curve. The information you give out is greatly appreciated. When I first saw what you did with the heads I was BLOWN away. That steel O ring should be done from the factory. You know your shit sir. Well done. Very well done.
you have 3 choices with cars and trucks, fast, reliable, cheap... pick two.
Fast and cheap isn't going to happen.
Tom94 not true. You can put nitrous on a $500 ranger and go fast... once
Tom94 look up sloppy mechanics 😉😉.
@@YankeeSoutherner1945 fast and cheap is easy. get a honda civic body for around $500 and throw in a v8 from a totaled mustang 5.0 for about a grand there i spent $1500 and a weeks time and now have a car about 2000 lbs curb weight and has almost 400hp (just weld the mustang subframe under the front of the honda and throw the mustang rear end under it and wire the key and run shifter cable and aftermarket triple gauges ) it's not a problem for anyone who can cut and weld and knows how to hook ignition to the harness cut from the mustang and it will be faster than you'll want to ever push it due to nearly halving the weight the motor was made for
Thanks for another great video Bill.
Been watching all your videos and about to watch your
"How To Buy a Used Powerstroke Diesel Truck" series for about the 4th time. Going out tomorrow to shop for a 2005-2007. Wish me luck.
Hope to get up there in GA to see you some time maybe get some work done.
Just wanted to say thank you for all the information I've gotten from you and putting yourself out there for us. Hope you had a great Christmas and Happy New Year.
John in south FL
Whoa! That transition between the camera being used near the end of the video and the one used for the train a vet promo was startling! Amazing how different a camera can make things look. Filtered, or hyper real.
You have a great channel. Most mechanics would never go this into detail
I love watching your videos! I've been telling any power stroke owners I see, about your website and UA-cam channel. I'm not a ford guy, nor a diesel fan, but I find these videos very informative and entertaining. I have one request. When you start filming the carnage, can you slow down a little bit? Sometimes, you pan through the grenade aftermath, and I can't even determine what part is what. Just a pile of kibbles and bits. Not asking for an hour movie, just slow the pan down a touch! Makes a more dramatic explanation of what can happen to an improperly modded power plant. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us, about these problems.
Wow. Great video Bill! I really enjoy watching and learning from your videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for all the great info. I don't own a diesel but I always learn something listing to you. Thank u for the performance information!
thanks again for another informative video sir. I have as I'm sure others have learned a tremendous amount of truck info that's helped us to better maintain our rigs and what parts etc to use.
Love these videos i dont own a powerstroke but i love learning about them
Excellent video, Mr. Hewitt. My fiancée and I purchased an F350 to tow some trailers around. After going through your videos, website, and some other UA-cam channel videos regarding the 6.7 "Scorpion" engine in our 2013 (mfr date 12/12), I've come to realize we avoided the dreaded the ceramic-coated bearings in the turbo. I hear that is a good thing since they have been known to disintegrate. There are supposed to be steel bearings in this years' (2013) turbo. We purchased the Damerow Ford-Dealership truck (located in Beaverton, Oregon) with 64k miles on the odometer. It is the platinum trim level. Unbeknownst to me, the center console between the two front seats is permanent. I think we will be getting a trim level that has seating for 6. Why did Drew Bledsoe (former nfl QB) need to get this truck with this trim? I don't know, but we have his old truck and will be trading it in for a different one.
"but I wanted to go faster"
congratulations, you win......
Happy Holidays
Love your videos. I take excellent care of my truck on all maitaince, some would consider it too much. What tuning is out there for us guys that run no dpf but are looking for longevity tunes. I run gear head tunes on my HS and turn it down to stock when I tow. Thanks again for all you do
I would've liked to have known you were available. My father is 75 and had a very well maintained 2006 F-350 dually crew cab Lariat with maybe 153,000 papered miles. We always hauled hay and cattle. I had to convince him to trade it in on a 2014 Ford Transit Connect titanium. I spent $15,000 on 3 repairs always concerning injectors, EGR cooling system and related items. It's a nice great hefty truck when running but always building a large tab to keep running. Thank you for your advice and staying true. Joseph .
I know I want to 7.3 swap into my own F150 later on, but that amount of carnage from a tune that is way to hot without serious upgrades first is asking for trouble. The 6.7 is pretty bulletproof from people I have talked to but some I have talked to also have agreed to that as well. Love the videos and they have helped me in the planning of my engine swap as well.
Awesome video and information I have 7.3 with 241,000 and still runs great with enough power for pulling my 32 ft. 5th.wheel that weighs 16,000 pounds loaded
Great info as always! Enjoy the straight up no nonsense talk.
I have a buddy who ran the H&S Mini Maxx programmer & a turbo back straight pipe exhaust, his engine is done. The truck is now at a local dump just sitting there, he isn't going to put the money into to get a rebuild. It was a fast truck but like you said in this video, if you want to go fast you gotta spend money! You're videos are great, I own a 2006 Ford F-350 6.0 Powerstroke & it's running strong. Currently at 210,xxx miles.
Great video! Tons of great info. That's pretty crazy that Georgia police will impound your truck!
Another good video Bill. I've worked for a Cat dealer for 25 yrs and built engines for most of that time. The bottom end of the 6.7's look a lot like the old 348 and 349's. They were overhead cam V12 and V16 engines. The over the road truck drivers always had to have more power and more power! The old 3406's took a lot. These new engines are incredible and at the same time crazy! I'm not sure about going back to a water cooled aftercooler but they are smarter than I am. Thanks for all the great info!
Read a story once about how a guy put a 3408 in his f350 (he was wery wrich) he then proceeded to have it modded to get a lot more power than it was designed for. It sat most of the time he owned it. Every time he romped the throttle it twisted the crank.
3408 is a huge engine and would never fit in a F350.
You are probably thinking of a 3208 which would still be a tight squeeze.
Whatever it was it twisted his drive shaft alot. lol
heyyy ive got the same rims and tires on my 03 gmc 1500 :D, i didnt know where else to share this information
nice you are helping vets. we thank you.
Very informative, please keep posting the great videos!
another great videoHere's a thought I've had as I've run into more and more quick diesles out on the road... With all the luxury and features these diesel trucks offer nowadays do you see your shop getting more "inexperienced" diesel owners coming in who have never owned a diesel before and break them trying to run them like a gasoline / spark engine? like revving the crap out of them or just slapping a tune on and not worrying about how hard you run it because "you don't have to worry about detonation" for instance? I see a lot of nice fast trucks out on the road and I can only imagine quite a few of those have been playing with fire by running a race tune on a stock engine.
Career Ford diesel master tech and FCA/GM tech here. While this guy makes some valid points, I respectfully dissagree with his philosophy. Not all people delete and tune trucks to have "industrial diesel phsyco tune" kinda power. Many delete and tune for reliability and service life.....tuning and deleting does not in and of itself destroy an engine. An intelligent driver who deletes and tunes a truck will in FACT lengthen the life of the engine. I personally own a 2012 F350 6.7L.....I have 11,291 engine hours including 5,906 idle hours. This totals 254,604 actual miles. My truck was in the oilfield here in the desert of NM for the first 121,000 miles of tough operating conditions, however as the mechanic who performed all the work on the truck, I knew it had been maintained well. When I purchased it I drove it about 6 months in stock form, mileage was terrible, power was just ok. Cost of DEF piss and hassle was ridiculous, and constant regenerating around town was a constant irritation. Considering that the majority of repairs I've made on th 6.7L are emissions related, its an obvious weakpoint in design. Just another case of government destroying perfectly good engines. Its obvious this guy is all for government regulation and throwing money away which is exactly what the emissions systems on these trucks accomplish. The emissions debate is never ending and I'm not here to sway anyone away from being environmentally responsible. Just think for yourself and come to your own well researched conclusion. I personally am of the opinion that modern emissions system are more detrimintal to the environment than helpful. You cant consider only the environmental impact of the truck itself, but also the impact of parts producation, logistics, maintenance, and as of the recent years the continuous impact of production of DEF and the waste stream produced just from that. California wants to ban straws but has no problam mandating plastic constainers that contain enough plastic for 5,000-10,000 straws....liberal ignorance at work. Also consider the massive loss of fuel economy due to emissions that result is massive additional crude oil usage which also has a significant environmental impact. My particular truck was lucky to get 24mpg on the highway and 14 in town. I could jump in my truck today and drive across the country and see 28-30mpg, and in town I now get 17mpg. If I baby it I can easily achieve 32mpg and thats with a 80 gallon fuel cell in the bed full. I have towed approximately 60,000 miles at or near max capacity. I have never opened the engine for any repairs. Truck still runs like new. Its my professional opinion that a deleted and tuned truck "PROPERLY" driven is far more durable and long lasting. #1 Never mash the throttle. Diesel engines have heavier parts and rate of rpm increase that is slower will lengthen engine life. Always roll into the throttle slowly, especally from flat idle. If you hear ANY type of pinging you have accelerated too quickly. If you see smoke exiting the tailpipe you have acclerated too quickly #2 Just because its tuned and deleted does NOT mean you have to be a jacksass rolling coal every chance you get or at the sight of a Prius.If your rolling coal you are damaging the engine and wasting fuel, with the added affect of looking like a jackass and damaging the reputation of diesel engines and truck owners, which certainly does not help our cuase at the government regulatory level. A 3rd point I'll make is that maintenance is HUUUUGE on these engines and vehicles. Never go the factory interval on the 6.7L and never use 15W40 oil in a 6.7. I've seen far too many turbo failures on engines running 15W40 to know there is a correlation. I personally recommend only 5w40 synthetic. Adding a bit of zinc additive is also a great idea. I do not believe younger people should have delete/tuned trucks but those who are older, wiser, and more responsible I dont see any problem. As for this youtuber's claim that dpf delete voids a ford warranty, I'll say as a Ford master diesel tech that he is absolutely full of crap. Only modifications that directly result in a failure are denied warranty coverage, and the modifications do not void the warranty as a whole with the exception of catastrophic engine damage that is due to a tune. I admit that is a reality, however that goes back to the way the truck is driven. I have performed warranty repairs on many diesel engines that have been deleted and tuned. If its not directly related its not an issue. This brings back a memory of a customer who brought in a truck with one of the supposed emissions legal tuners installed like the youtuber proclaims is gods gift to diesel trucks. I wont name the brand, its not important as they all have the same basic philosophy thats used to write the tune. This customer had a low power complaint. I looked at the truck and found the dpf was plugged nearly completely. I managed to save it, and instructed the customer to remove the tuner. The fool took the truck, and he pulled the tuner out of the truck and then came back with the truck on the hook for a no start. Diag found the dpf completely plugged, I asked the customer why he didnt remove the tune, he claimed he did, but I knew he just removed the tuner but never set the pcm back to stock. His dpf warranty claim was denied. In no way was his engine warranty effected. Of course you will run into super-techs here and there who feel like its their job to regulate and nit-pick every little thing just to try and void a warranty with the thought that it will then become a customer pay repair thus making them more money. I am a six figure tech without the desire to shaft the customer without reasonable consideration.
What tune do you recommend? I just recently purchased and a 2012 f250 6.7 with 139,xxx miles and ive heard stories of going tuned and deleted and I would like to get the maximum life out the truck, I Don't plan on using it for hauling or any of that? Whats the best way to keep the truck healthy and have it as long as possible?
@@dabeast123ipodhelp use a tow or street tune you will never have tune related problems
Thanks for that information. I'm getting deleted next week. I'll stick with the street option they told me I'd have. I asked who made the tunes and no answer yet. I'd like to know so I know what I'm getting into. Can I always change them from another source to the SCTX4?
BUMP!!
Looking to buy one and basically bulletproof it and delete the necessary crap.
Hi bill what about the 2 rear cylinder including the valves and turbocharger issues you were talking about with the 6.7 litre with stock emissions when the truck goes in to regen it overheats the rear cylinder do you have any cure for that even with all emission equipement left on what was the total bill for a replacement engine like that on that truck. ?
Your question at 10:50 - "Did the rod fail first, or did the piston fail first?". The failure of the rod is at an angle that would suggest propagation of a fatigue crack. I would bet a dollar the rod went first.
I would bet the rod went first too because if the piston went first wouldnt the rod still be intact?
Piston
It doesn't matter. Neither were designed to withstand the cylinder pressure, that is being created by these ridiculous tunes, and giant power gains. In other words, 1. Which is more likely to destroy a combustion chamber, when you light it, inside the cylinder ? A. (a firecracker) or B. (a stick of dynamite)
thomabb i bet the rod failed too if the would use better parts all forged not cheap cast shit these motors would handle just about anything you could throw at them and i bet people wouldnt mind spending a little extra money on a motor that was built to handle 1500 hp or better but they want them to fail so. You have to buy more from them and this is with all trucks and cars
Really informational like all your videos. Thanks.
do you guys have knowledge about the Jeep VM Motori 2.8L. I had a Failure of one at 110,000 miles. no tuning no mods I dont know if the counterbalance Shaft failed
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Bill.
Honest mechanic! At its best! Ford man, for Ford men!!!
Bill, are new bare block castings available for the 6.7?
Every failed 6.7 I have encountered so far was user and or tuner related.
We have a 2012 6.7 with over 200K on the clock and outside of factory recalls and regular maintenance have experienced zero issues.
Thank you for all that you do.
I' am from Canada and don't know much about Powerstroke Help, or the gentleman in these video's. What I do know from my mechanical knowledge is I agree with everything he says and is the bible on these engines, I grateful for these video's.
On the motor with the bent rods, did you put factory rods back in? Would you put some aftermarket stronger ones in?
Are better aftermarket pistons and connecting rods available for the 6.0L-6.4L-6.7L engines?
Hello. Great information. I have one concern. I live in northern Canada. Where the temps in winter can regularly reach below -35 C. These urea systems freeze and fail all the time. Rendering my $67,000.00 pickup that I use everyday for work useless and me freezing to death. Also the constant idiling plugs the egr cooler.
Is there any solution to keeping this urea from freezing or just getting rid of the urea system alone?
I've just bought a new well new to me 250/4x4 6.7 with 80k on it and hope it lasts a long while, what kind of things should I do to ensure that..... I'm new to this diesel stuff all together first one I've ever had I really enjoy watching your videos and thanks for the info
I've read that the connecting rods on the 6.7 is the weak point of the internals, that and the fuel system has its own issues and the turbo bearings and exhaust turbine explode
I watched the whole video because I like the way Bill talks and I'm waiting for him to announce that Jay Leno is his brother...
Bill, well said on tuning these trucks. I have a 2011 and a 2016. 16 is bone stock ( work truck ) and my 2011 is my POV. I have tried different tunes but the key is to stay close to stock numbers and leave the emissions there. DP as he said is a great company for tunes, I also recommend AM Diesel Performance and 5 Star tuning. All of them have great Emissions on tunes and will work with you to make that tune feel right to you. Shifting points, times and lengths are the most complaints on tunes. All 3 above have great starting points, but will tweak them to your liking.
Don't go kill your trucks for crazy power, when these trucks are awesome enough as is. IF you do want to go crazy, you better start upgrading internals. If you don't and you break it, don't go blaming Ford, Its on you.
I am very disappointed with Ford for putting such tiny spindly rods in the 6.7.
hey man i love the vids keep up the great work
this guy is like my mentor lol
100% agree, tuning. Not saying too much tuning, but Bad trans tuning. In my opinion, the root cause is from Lugging w/too much converter lock up. That giant tune feeding those conditions....Massive amount of stress & heat generation! Then any microscopic impurity in that piston casting will show its face real quick. I think you're right on your assumption of piston failing first! You're the man! Your videos rock! (Diesel mechanic 20yrs running)
Great video and great information!!
Bought my '03 F350 7.3 used at 155k miles about 6 months ago. Had a TS-6 position chip in it. First thing I did was yank that tuner out. I really want to run this truck another 15 years/150k miles, at least.
Kind of sad to see what's becoming of these newer 6.4/6.7 trucks. Emissions is killing them, and the tuning to run em without emissions equipment is killing them too! Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Big tires and a big tune...what could possibly go wrong??!!
My 2010 6.4 is running like a champ so far. I'll bring it to you when it blows up.
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What tune do you recommend? I just recently purchased and a 2012 f250 6.7 with 139,xxx miles and ive heard stories of going tuned and deleted and I would like to get the maximum life out the truck, I Don't plan on using it for hauling or any of that? Whats the best way to keep the truck healthy and have it as long as possible? I would like to keep it as stock as possible but if i dont need to tune it even better?
bill..love all your videos..and I know you get alot of questions but after watching all of your videos I cant get a answer if your in support of deleteing or not deleting...
Great video. Thanks. What was the bill for that truck repair?
Kibbles and bits! So it's a good idea to keep the DPF on a 6.7L? I ditched the DPF on a 6.4L to keep that heat from killing the top end. Only daily drive the 150hp to keep the clutch happy.
Great info as always!!
Are stock Diesel rotating assembly forged components. Piston/rods/crank?
If you are going to do legal tuning, what is the benefit over the stock tune?
Mr Bill my 2013 f250 6.7 has 75400 miles on it. When I start it the first time in the morning. As I pull off it will all of a sudden sound like a old dodge fo about five or seven seconds. Then it is gone. It does not do it all the time. Today it did it for about fifteen seconds. I went and spoke to the mechanic at the ford dealership. He asked about the regen light I told him it had been coming on a lot lately. He asked how much I drove it and I told him every day. Then he asked how far at one time I said 20 miles. Into the conversation he said it sounded like a valve or two were getting stuck and hitting the piston. He also said they had a short problem with that and it was usually on one side. Also I needed to bring it and leave it for a couple of days and see if it would do it for him. Do you have any thoughts on this. Please respond thanks.
Awesome videos!!! I am addicted to all of them. I don't own a power stroke, but I am a huge fan of them. It is kinda disheartening to watch these videos and see that even in stock for you are driving a ticking time bomb.... I want to buy a new f450. What am I supposed to do pay 75k and stick another 12k into it for piece of mind? What's the point of buying it then.... Why has Ford for sake it's most loyal customers..... 😔
Hey Bill, i'm in the market for a new truck and I've got my eye on a 6.4 on Ebay or of Texas. I'm looking for mainly a weekend truck that might turn into a daily work truck. What is your recommendation for improving the engine to get maximum reliability, life and reduced cost of ownership out of a truck with that engine. The truck in question had 128k miles on it.
Thanks in advance, Jeff
So do you like the 6.7 ? And who has the best diesel? Thanks
Lots of kibbles and bits in that one. Thanks for the info.
how will moderate tuning adversely affect a bulletproofed 6.0?
Thanks for the video! I am looking to do a DPFand possibly an EGR delete on my 14' 6.7. I would like the extra range and it seems as though it would be a lot better for the life of the motor. I take great care of the truck and don't push it hard. I was thinking of using an economy tune when I get the tuner to deactivate the regen. Would this shorten the life of the motor? Thanks.
use only stock mapping, if you get a tune, make sure it's only to fool ECU into thinking DPF and EGR are still functional.
Is the 6.7 2nd gen any better in piston and rod strength?
Mikey is your most valuable asset
How do you tell if a 6.7 powerstroke has been tuned in its life with no visible tuner?
Great Video, Fascinating once again. I don't even own a PSD truck but one day I hope to. (they are very expensive here in the U.K) Keep up the good work Bill. From Adam in Scotland, U.K.
They are very expensive here, too.
Awesome video bill
Will the ts6 chip Hurt the 7.3 like this? I have one on mine and after watching this video it almost scares me to run that chip on 140hp tune.
What kind of money are you looking at from the time you got it to the time you gave it back? Just curious.
Thanks
I guess bill had a change of heart. Back in the 6.4 days he said delete it . Now he says DO NOT DELETE IT
Bo Mason I think he is for deleting, but against all the ridiculous tunes required to delete it.
You don't need to delete on a 6.7 the emissions shit is actually decent enough to run. You have to delete a 6.4 if you want it to remotely last
powerstrokehelp Just curious what does a motor cost on a 6.7L like the one here in the video. I have heard they are insanely expensive but anything fomoco is insane. What would a part build motor run?
looks like about 6 lawnmower motors someone ran E85 in whoooopeeee 2 stroke Dura Force Lawn Boy was run with 50:1 rather than 32:1 mix and the rod twisted kinda like the one you showed there. bout this close to coming apart...rtfm folks
In previous videos you have recommended the SCT programmer. Do you still recommend that with its canned tunes??
What about running the deletes with a mini maxx tuner still on the stock level tune for those just wanting better economy and not have to add urea?
Im sure it will be fine as long they keep it around the stock level tune. This guy was probably on performance tune with a trailer in tow. Big no no. The performance tune increases the timing and pressure inside the cylinder. Pair that with a heavy load and increased pressure on the engine and it goes boom.
So what would be a good tuner to use ?
powerstrokehelp, once i get my diesel. I have couple more years to save up, not to mention love the new style coming out, I'm going to send it to you and want you to pretty much bulletproof the shit out of the engine. Make it reliable unlike some of the videos i have been seeing on youtube.
So is there any way to tell how much tune is to much. Secondly what tuning do you recommend for the 6.0. I spent alot of time in the Northeast stones throw from Innovative tuning. Are Erics tunes pretty safe?
This guy has taught me a lot, and I don't even own a diesel!
A mini maxx is one of the best options for tuning.. "a mini maxx has too much timing"? There are many different options for custom tunes through a mini maxx that are very safe to run with out a doubt. There are a one or two companies that really try and push an unsafe amount of power but that is not due to the H&S unit itself, that is due to that individuals tune files. Tuning these engines with out deleting the dpf is useless as well. The amount of emissions would increase with the dpf tuning on, and there for the dpf/scr would work harder to "clean up" the emissions and the dpf filter would clog/fill up quicker. With the correct custom tuning, a 6.7 with a stock bottom end will hold up to 650 generally. All about bringing the power on smoothly.
Love my mini max . Set it to default timing and tow and don't touch it . My 2010 cummins has never ran better
I like your videos I have a 6.7,I use it to haul my 27ft RV
What's something like that run for replacement?
I can just image what the bill came to, my guess it was north of 15 K! For that kind of money I could spend December thru April on the South Island of New Zealand Fly fishing for trout till I just drop and still have plenty of cash left over to hit SW Montana from May to Oct! It seems to me that if you want to go fast buy a Corvette! A Truck like this, you buy for taking yourself out to the sticks on your hunting and fishing trips! But its his money and you are after all in the business of fixing this sort of stuff! To each his own I guess! I would love to have one with all the things that you do done- with a Camper on it and just see how many of the Nations trout streams I could fish in the next decade! Now all I need is a good boat load of money to make it happen! Oh and Happy New Year!
But you kind of say it's okay to delete the DPF and EGR on the 6.4 truck, which I did on your recommendation. I run a Spartan tuner with the DPF/EGR off, stock tune. How is it different for a 6.7 vs a 6.4?
I love these videos!
I dig your vids, Bill.
How long would a 6.7 last if you leave it all stock? No tune no lift.
Interesting info Thanks !!! So 6.7 are Great trucks IF You treat them correctly.
I change all the oils when the truck tell me too .Its a 2016 F 350,Next oil change I want to go Amsoil full synthetic it has 30,000 miles but I need to know can you go without changing the oil for 25,000 miles with synthetic oils
So was the bill north or south of 15k.. if you don't mind me asking??
So when the timing is advanced too much it destroys the bottom end of the engine? but I am assuming that there is an amount of timing advance that will not hurt the motor but still make more power?
Hey powerstrokehelp, I have 6.0 2004 170,000 miles and it has a small skip until it hits 160° or higher. any ideas ?