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I have rewatched the whole show in between each season and it is literally a different show each time. That's the GOAT part of AOT for me, on top of everything else, obviously ^^
Remember when we thought that the Colossal Titan was the final boss? Remember when we thought that the walls were the only defense of the entire human kind
Just like he said Grisha needed to have a family and stay on his path to save Armin and Mikasa. He was the Attack Titan before Grisha and he knew of future events with no relation to the Founding Titan.
@@lk0324ok if it isn’t for shadowing why did Kruger say Armins and mikasa name right before he have greshia the attack titan? Go back to that episode and watch what he said
@@925bayareatycoon hes talking about this line specifically, it isnt foreshadowing because one can easily take it in its literal meaning. Memories from past shifters are passed on to future ones. The part with armin and mikasa was foreshadowing. "Whose memories are those" because as eren said, it all happens at once and forever. Hes a mess mentally. As soon as he got the power of the founder and paths, he existed throughout the 2000 years. Eren 1000% did and possibly could have influenced the entire path of 2000 years to get to this point to free ymir, it was always ymir and the attack titan imo represents her desire to be free, it just took 2000 years to gain the power and rage build up to break free of her chains, she needed a real connection. Eren gained his freedom, by choosing how to free everyone else from the cycle and choose who to save.
This future memory shit is really unique and clever mechanic to use in this storytelling. I wonder if Isayama created it himself, or Eren just whispered on him to write it
In terms of narrative, the author can concieve his characters in a way, but sometimes they just take their own path, one that only cares about serving the plot and not the author's will. Somehow, someway, it could be said that characters write themselves. Eren manipulating Isayama is as possible as ironic.
Here's what I love about that episode. That showdown wasn't really between Grisha and Frieda... it was between King Reiss's will from the past vs Eren Jaeger's will from the future, battling through their surrogates.
No it was Grisha and Eren bypassing the King's will by stealing the founding Titan. They knew that they couldn't fight the King's will and had no hope of undoing it so they didn't bother. They just ate the royal. That's why Eren said to Grisha "you know what you came here to do". That's why Eren got pissed off when Grisha started appealing to Frieda rather than doing what they came to do. Steal the Titan.
If you pay attention to the words Eren used to manipulate his dad, it was the same words Kruger told him before giving him the Attack Titan. That’s why he knew saying it like that would get his father to act.
I think it's the opposite. I think it was Eren speaking through Kruger the first time, saying whatever would motivate Grisha to go through with it. It would have been Grisha's first time hearing those words, Eren's second time using them to push Grisha to do what he wanted to do. Manipulation born out of having already seen his Father's memories and knowing what would emotionally resonate with him.
When eren kissed historias' hand, he saw everything that day. Everything till the end. That is why he asked conny: What was sashas' last words. And conny said "meat". Eren laughed because of madness because he saw that he couldn't change the future anymore.
Rather, he saw everything that future Eren chose to reveal to past Eren. He says later on (major spoiler alert!) that he doesn’t even know whether or not his friends kill him (or maybe it was whether they survive). So he doesn’t necessarily know everything. Future Eren is manipulating past Eren by selectively showing him memories just like he did with Grisha.
No he didn’t see EVERYTHING. He just knew that he’d gain control of the founder through Zeke and start the Rumbling as well as having to convince Grisha to kill the Reiss’s, he just didn’t know the circumstances leading up to it(like having to convince Ymir to side with him, Gabbie blowing his head off or Sasha getting killled)
wrong eren didnt see any future memories completely when he kissed historia he only saw bits and pieces of it in the manga its shown much better he didnt knew sasha was going to be killed and he only saw what future eren send it to him
it took me awhile to realise that grisha was not seeing eren at all!! instead grisha was seeing himself thorough eren's pov (basically seeing himself though eren's memories) and even when he hugged zeke, he was just hugging air and eren was standing infornt of zeke and ghrisha saw zeke through eren's pov
Uh no, that makes no sense. Grisha is clearly making physical contact with Zeke. Eren was also able to grab Grisha’s shoulder when making him kill the Reiss’s
The reason why Grisha can see Zeke is because he's seeing him through Eren's memories. Every time Grisha sees Zeke Eren is always standing behind him facing Zeke behind Grisha. Also the reason why Grisha makes that surprised face when staring at Eren is because he's directly looking at himself. Also also Eren telling Grisha that he's the one that started this story is the same line Eren Kruger said to him when giving him the attack titan. All of these events were seen when Eren touched Historia's hand at the end of season 3.
Small little detail from the ceremony - when Historia is about the put the pendant over Eren's head, the pendant and the form/shadow on Historia's dress is nearly identical to Eren's founding titan form. The level of intricacy in this show/story is beyond anything else I've ever experienced before. It's worth at least one rewatch.
No, the royal family couldn't break free from the vow like Zeke did. Remember, Zeke didn't actually possess the founding titan - he was just a royal titan touching the founding titan. Which means he still had free will. Because Frieda actually has the founder's titan, she is controlled by King Fritz's will. To behave like Zeke, they would have needed someone who wasn't possessed by the founder's titan to cooperate with them.
Exactly! When he says he nullified the vow, he meant that he could undo it so future inheritors wouldn’t be bound by it since he had full control of the founder at that point.
@@akashdatta5149 King Fritz made his family line submit to his will - to make a kingdom cut off from the rest of the world. And to one day accept the world's hatred and let this kingdom be destroyed. Even though they have their own thoughts and personalities, if any of his direct descendants (those of royal blood) eat the founding tian, Fritz's will takes over. This was to prevent them from rebelling and attempting to destroy the world. Instead, they would keep their population naive of the outside world and wait for Eldia to be invaded.
I just never understood why Frieda was so weak. Wasn't her supposed to control the most powerful titan? Like I think she was supposed to win over Grisha in that fight
@@enzoys She lacked combat experience with her titan. She was just 18 by then and the Royal family likely saw no need to train for combat. Grisha meanwhile fought his way to the walls when they were still swarming with titans beyond them.
when eren said he was disgusted, he was actually referring to himself. you can see here that these are the memories he saw when he kissed historia's hand at the very end of s3, and then after that we get the sea scene, where eren is VERY different compared to how he acted before. He saw himself making his dad end the Reiss family, which was what disgusted him
no no, the attack titan doesn't have the ability to see past or future, they just all received memories from the future inheritors, because the founding titan has the ability to transcend time and space
The empathy you guys feel for the characters in this world is touching. You guys are have such great commentary and insight! I hope you enjoy the rest of the show!
In the anime, the first episode doesn’t show Grisha’s head while he’s showing the basement key to Eren. But in the manga, in the very first chapter, we see Grisha inexplicably staring off to the side while showing Eren the key. This odd quirk made no sense until the chapter corresponding to this episode was released.
I"m really sad that nuggets like those didn't make it to the anime. Putting it all together makes it that much sweeter when you have all those bits and pieces.
So, I'm not sure if you guys picked it up, but here is how the Future stuff works: Eren sent memories to his father of the future. He showed his father his own memories of what will happen in the future... But he didn't show him EVERYTHING, just snippets. THEN, when Eren touched Historia's hand, he saw all of his Dad's memories.. which included the future memories that (future) Eren sent to his father. So Eren can only see the future because IN the future, he sends those memories back to his dad, and then once he sees everything that his dad knows, he also sees those future memories. A bit confusing, but hopefully that makes sense. So that's why Eren changed at the end of Season 3 right after the Historia hand kiss.. He became more sad and cold.. And thats because he saw his dads memories.. which means he saw the future that he sent back to his dad.. So he knew that he was going to start the Rumbling, but he didnt know WHY.. so he spend years trying to find away, but everything kept happening and he couldnt change what he saw..
The way the whole episode was handled is epitomic. The voice acting, the OST, the tension in the scene. Isayama did it, Mappa did it .....one of the greatest episode in television.
Eren repeats Kruger's words to Grisha about finishing what he started. The setups and payoffs in this show are amazing. Also you're right about pretty much everyone being a victim of circumstance, and that's what makes the whole thing so tragic. Because every choice made by every single person in this story makes logical sense from the perspective of the person making said choice, and when you try to put yourself in their shoes it gets real hard to claim that you would have acted differently.
Technically in Japanese “Shingeki no Kyojin” means “The advancing Titan/The advancing of the Titans”; so you get how something/someone can “advance”? Because it sees the future, it can see forward and knows how to move.
Everytime Grisha “saw” Zeke, Eren was standing BEHIND Grisha, giving him “a good view” from his perspective and thus sending those memories via the power of the Attack Titan. When Grisha was showing young Eren the key, he was staring at future Eren because he was getting a memory from future Eren’s pov staring BACK at Grisha but from Grisha’s pov… no one is in front of him. So he was getting 2 perspectives of the same event. He KNEW someone was watching him but can’t see future Eren because he can only see everything from future Eren’s pov in addition to his own, which includes future Zeke.
-I want to clarify about seeing the future, all titan shifters are able to see the past through previous users, but attack titan apart from being able to see the past but they can see the future through subsequent users, "only memories" -What Eren did to Grisha was beyond the power of the Attack Titan, Grisha was able to see and feel Eren's presence and emotions as if he were by Grisha's side, deciding which memory should be given to Grisha or not is the power of Founding -why is Eren able to use Founding better than Frieda and Zeke because Eren has memories in season 3 when Rod Reiss told Historia to touch Eren and he chose Frieda's memory from Eren because he wanted to introduce Historia about Frieda, while Eren who was asking questions " Have I been in this place before?” he got the memory of his father eating Frieda, then after Eren got to the basement and got the truth, he was still wondering if there was a truth that he hadn't gotten, which in the end when he kissed Historia he got his own memories of "Path" (that he himself did it not Grisha) -Therefore what Eren is doing in "path" is using Zeke who takes him to his father's memories, which means not "Eren did it again "but Eren is doing it right now" remember there is no time specification in path but what certain is that they did faster in the real world -As feedback from Eren, he showed Zeke that their father was a good father and he regret what he did to Zeke
"Rather than letting someone steal my freedom, i'll steal theirs first." This is what made Eren do that to his father, his father tried to stop him from achieving freedom so he took away his by controlling him using the titan powers. That's what that young pissed off Eren face symbolized... in the most most time looped twisted way, lol. Bro watched season 4 long before we did 😆
Just to clear this attack titan ability.. It's not able to see glimpses of future memories but rather the future inheritor can send back memories to the past inheritor.. that's why grisha says "why won't you show me everything eren"
@@SanketPatole he was seeing the memories before that as well.. but it just happened to be he got those future memories when he kissed historia's hand.. to clear your confusion, they weren't exactly future memories they were still grisha's memories cuz eren or anyone can't see future memories.. those memories were sent to grisha by the Future eren of that timeline and then they became part of grisha's memories when eren kissed historia's hand he unlocked more grisha's memories including the memories Future eren sent to grisha
@@AM17titan 1. If it's about possessing Attack Titan+Founding Titan and then touching royal blood, then how could Eren Kruger (Only Attack Titan) see Eren Jaeger's future memories without possessing Founding Titan and touching royal blood? 2. If it's only about possessing Attack Titan+Founding Titan, Then how could Grisha Jaeger (Only Attack Titan) see Eren Jaeger's future memories without acquiring the Founding Titan first? 3. If it's only about possessing Attack Titan, then how could Eren sleeping under the tree see future Eren i.e. attack Titan's memories of Eren's mom being eaten? 4. If Eren's Attack Titan (only) intentionally sends future memories to past holders of Attack Titan, then who sent future memories of Flying Jaw Titan to Falco?
Eren was controlling everyone who inherited the Attack Titan since the first one. Because as he is the last, there is noone to control him. Like how King Fritz controlled all people who inherited Founding Titan. The only difference is, King Fritz controls from the past, Eren controls from the future.
I wouldn't call it "control". He didn't control Krueger for example. Rather, Eren's will and fighting spirit were passed down (up?) backward through time, not unlike how these things get passed down for other titans.
@@elheberright-the attack titan is what it is because Eren is who he is. Time stuff gets messy though, you could also pretty easily buy that Eren and the attack titan are the personification of Ymir's longstanding, repressed wish to fight back.
This episode is definitely the best of the whole season, probably the whole show. Grisha's voice actor deserves every award for his performance in this episode.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, the PATHS have led us all for this very moment. This episode is basically the clash of the First King's immovable will of the past to Eren's unstoppable desire for the future.
7:35 Zeke could only break the chains because he had royal blood but didn't possess the Founding Titan, thus wasn't bound by the oath renouncing war. Plus he never wanted to start war in the first place, he just made the chains to fool Eren
Oh that's right! Even if he WAS bound by the oath, he'd still be able to enact his euthanization plan. In fact, Karl Fritz would have probably shown up as a ghostly apparition to give Zeke a smile and thumbs up.
if you notice eren only came to know why he was there when grisha sees zeke in the basement you could see eren was also shocked before going into the memories and during it eren constantly told zeke to get out as he was no longer brainwashed notice how after witnessing grisha see zeke, eren quickly realized why he was there and THIS TIME told zeke to go to next memory thats why he thanks zeke at the end
Ppl may disagree but I have Grisha in my top 10 AoT characters… anytime he’s on screen the pivots are so monumental and gut wrenching you just can’t ignore his character.
OK so just to help you guys out, not sure if you really read these comments but here’s an explanation for the attack titan‘s secret ability: if you remember the owl knew who Mikasa and Armin was when he was talking to Grecia passing on the powers, this is because Aaron through the attack titan power goes back in time to give future memories to the Attack Titans of the past. So really only the attack titan‘s of the past can see the future. When Aaron kissed Historia‘s hand, he saw his father‘s memory, and saw what HE himself did. Which is why he had an horrific look on his face. Zeke throughout the episode isn’t picking up on these little hints that he’s seeing them despite the fact that they are from the future. It’s not until the revelation of Zeke realizes that Aaron wanted him to take him into the past so that he could force his father to kill the Reese family. So every single attack titan in history Aaron manipulated so that he would get the power, so that everything will fall into place for him to get the founding power so that he could accomplish his goal.
Yeah I don't buy that. As far as we know, Eren only sent memories to his father. We saw him in front of the mirror trying to learn how to send memories, and in this episode we saw the first time Eren finally learned how to do it in the basement with Zeke. We also know that in the future, Eren will send Grisha mere glimpses of the rumbling, because Grisha said so.
@@elheber I will first respond to your initial point, that being that he only sent memories to his father. Are you saying that all the past Titans could see the future but that only Grecia saw it from Eren directly? It’s clear that the memories shown to the past Titans are chosen by either Eren or Ymir. That’s number one. Likely Eren. But given that Eren in someways is an extension of the Ymir, this still barely makes a difference. Either way, the past attack Titans are given glimpses, they cannot see the full future. They are only see what they are allowed to see. This is why Eren Krueger said “You have to save Armin and Mikasa.” This doesn’t make sense if he chose to say this on his own volition given that he doesn’t know them or care about them at all. It’s Eren who is having him say this. The rest of your points don’t contradict a single thing I said before. So I don’t know why you decided to stay at those points. So I don’t disagree with any of them
@@bossisin2510 "Are you saying that all the past Titans could see the future but that only Grecia saw it from Eren directly?" Yes. Grisha saw glimpses of Eren's memories, Krueger saw glimpses of Grisha's memories, and whoever came before Krueger saw glimpses of Kueger's memories. "This is why Eren Krueger said 'You have to save Armin and Mikasa.' ” Krueger said this because it's word-for-word what Grisha cried to Eren as he was about to inject him. It was deja-vu. Likewise, Grisha said that to Eren because he saw a glimpse of Eren needing to transform to save Armin and Mikasa, probably from the very same canon in that episode.
@@elheber you make great points to back up an argument that is false. In order to fully dive in to this and find the answer, we have to look at where titan abilities come from, who dictates them, and what the end goal for these choices are. Every titan ability comes from God, or the devil, or life, whatever you wanna call that being that your Ymir ran into. This being has one goal, to survive and thrive. It is clear that it is meant to represent the evil that is inside all of us. The monster that is within, that we are all capable of being. As long as the Sting exists, evil, chaos, war, will exist. It is the evil within. I am saying this to point out the fact that it really is meant to represent more than it is to be, we are not meant to assume that it has any higher deeper motives, and we are not meant to treat it as a character. Ymir on the other hand we are. Ymir’s end goal from the time she entered the paths, was to get Eren Yeager to help her be free. She has the will but lacks the strength, she has the strength but lacks the will. By joining forces they both get what they want. But where it gets interesting is whether or not his will is even his own, or if it comes from her. This is where the show gets incredibly complex and deep. But that has nothing to do with our argument so I will move on. The point being, you are wrong… No, it’s Eren using the power of the founding titan(ymir) to send memories back in time. Grisha mistakenly thought it was the Attack Titan’s power. So did all the previous attack Titans, there’s no way they could understand what was really happening. It had to be the attack titan that Aaron received, Emmett had to be him that freed her, so she made sure that none of the other Titans had this ability or knew about disability including the founding. It’s in her power to dictate which titans have witch abilities. All things titan related or under her control. This is why the attack titan can “see the future” it’s more so so that Eren/Ymir can manipulate all of them to make sure the events that need to happen for him to get the founding happen. Now it’s important to note that he doesn’t happen to disability until he receives the founding. But that is the only reason why the attack titan can seemingly see into the future. It’s a founding titan ability, that can only be accessed by someone who is not held down by the kings wish, and it only affects the attack Titans. It is not an ability they just randomly have because that’s how it happened and they just happen to have it. now there is an argument to be made, that it is not Eren who uses the founding titan power to manipulate the past to ensure the future/present, but Ymir instead. This would make sense. A large chunk of evidence to point to this would be the first episode, based on the titles of both episode one and 80, and based on the fact that at this point Aaron has not been given the titan serum yet, it is Eumir that since Aaron a vision of his future while he sleeps under the tree, to subconsciously lead him to that future. If you need further explanation for this specific point let me know, if you don’t know what I’m referencing. So the fact that your mirror was directly sending visions to Aaron without him having the attack titan ability, points to the likelihood that she played a major or main part in sending visions to the previous Titans. And that eren only effective Grecia. But there are instances of Aaron affecting and manipulating the past to ensure his own success, like him sending Dina to kill his mother. Which of course like I explained, all of this is only possible with the founding titan‘s abilities. But either way your theory assumes that the attack titan is a random ability, and the visions you see are random, and if the wheels of the attack titans up until eren are free. This could not be further from the truth. Also whether or not it’s Erin or yimir that manipulates the past, it almost doesn’t matter given that Eren‘s own choices are in question on whether or not they are actually mirrors. Whoever it was, or whether or not it was both of them equally, the point is that the past attack titans were manipulated.
ITS FINALLY HERE. The attack titan can see whatever the future wielder wants them to see. And it seems like Eren has been leading EVERY ATTACK TITAN THROUGH HISTORY, GUIDING THEM TO THIS POINT SO EREN COULD TOUCH ZEKE AND GAIN THE POWER OF THE FOUNDER. If you go back to episodes in season 1, you can see silhouettes of CURRENT EREN in the background watching his younger self. You can see him in YOUR OWN REACTION IN EPISODE 2 at 12:14! Like...WHAT. The manga wasn't even finished when that episode aired. This has been the plan since the beginning.
If you're still confused as to exactly how Eren pulled this off, here's an analogy I came up with very recently that really helps me: *Eren is a secret UA-cam reactor* 😆 So Zeke, using the Founder's power, comes up to Eren and is like, "Yo Eren I have a video of your entire childhood, recorded by Grisha, wanna react to it?" And Eren's like, "Okay then." And so they react to it, but secretly Eren *records the entire reaction* (in his own memories) and *sends their reaction video back in time* into Grisha's head (using the Attack Titan's unique power) and presses PLAY on the recording, so that it perfectly syncs up with Grisha's actual life -- so Grisha is living his life AND getting instant feedback from Eren and Zeke simultaneously. (What a way to live, eh? 😬) And of course Grisha is reacting to Eren and Zeke's feedback, which produces this perfect simultaneous feedback loop that allows Grisha to essentially interact with them "in real time". And then of course later (so to speak), younger Eren receives all of Grisha's memories of the temple incident from Grisha (via the ordinary memory inheritance) when he kisses Historia's hand -- and sees himself manipulating Grisha! It all comes full circle.
the memes that came out of the fandom after this episode aired were so funny 😭 from eren's head in zeke's hand template, to theories that eren whispered things to isayama on how to write aot. people were rewatching old interviews of the writer and saying "if you listen hard enough, you can hear eren telling isayama what to answer". the things a depressed fandom will do to cope 😭
ITS HERE one of the gratest plot twists of all time and memes were born. Really meme of Eren standing over Isayama (SnK creator) telling him what to do when he was writing the story is just peak pop culture
When Grisha stabs himself, there is a shot of Eren kissing Historia's hand. Later when Eren is pushing them out of their father's memories, there is another shot of Eren's face after kissing Historia's hand. It's my stance that those two shots mark the start and end of what Eren saw that day when he kissed Historia's hand. From that single scene Eren learned he could send memories to his father, that killing the royal family was his own order, that Zeke was in here with him, and that he was going to do the Rumbling. That's all Eren ever knew about the future. That's all he needed to know. Everything else, from Sasha's death, to the surprise attack at Shiganshina, to Zeke's betrayal... all of these were surprises to Eren.
I can feel you guys! It was also a roller coaster ride of emotion watching this amazing episode, and I had teary eyes in the end witnessing the reconsiliation between Grisha and Zeke. I've been looking forward to watch your reaction for this episode. You guys are smart and receptive! I really understand the confusion you had about the Attack Titan's ability in seeing the future. I believe you guys will have better understanding later. Grisha's VA .. is just ... tour de force!
You wanna get even more mindblown? What Grisha's seeing throughout the entire episode is EREN'S POV. That's why he can only see Zeke and not Eren because he is watching Zeke and himself through Eren's eyes/memories. Imagine Eren as the Camera . Grisha was looking at himself when he was about to head out through the door outside their house through Eren. That's why he had this distraught look at his face. Everytime Grisha sees Zeke (and himself) , is through Eren.
Zeke was able to break the vow, because he didn't possess the Founding Titan in him. Karl Fritz made the vow through the Founding Titan. Zeke was able to do it, because he was able to reach the paths & discover that Ymir listened to any royal blood. Since he wasn't restricted via Founding Titan, he was able to gain full Founder's power & able to command Ymir completely. The Reiss family line could never break 'the chains' coz they had Founding Titan in them
Its not exactly that Eren can see the future on his own. His dad could see Erens memories, because its a unique trait of the Attack Titan. But Eren could see his fathers memories, because of the Founding Titan. And so Eren could see his own future memories throught the memories of his father.
I don't know if you missed it but there was this one scene in season 3 they showed here again, when Eren kissed Historias hands and he was just petrified in the moment. He basically made contact back then. To me it implied that he saw all this and. After that he became much more not himself. Remember when they got to the sea for the first time and he couldn't really feel anything
Caral, "Eren your ears go red when you lie!" Eren proceeds to grow hair over his ears to mask all the double-crossing and machinations he be doin' LMFAO
Grisha hates Marley to the core, but after seeing Eren's memories of the future he's asking Zeke to stop him... it's so terrible not even Marley deserves it. Great reaction as always! I remember the day this episode aired quite well because also Demon Slayer episode 2x17 'Never give up' aired too. That was a good day indeed.
7:32 Zeke _didn't_ break the chains, he was never bound by them in the first place. The vow renouncing war was sworn by the first king of the walls. Zeke was born outside the walls, and so isn't a descendent of the first king.
Ok, I will try to sum up the memory thing in a line. Kindly comment of I am wrong here. 1. The founding Titan if possessed by the royal blood line, can see the PAST memories of all previous 9 titans. 2. The Attack Titan is the ONLY one that can send memories that they WANT back in to the past to guide previous attack titans owners, so previous attack titans are basically seeing the future, but only from future attack Titan user's perspective. Also, the memories sent back by attack Titan user's are selective and they can choose to hide stuff they want.
you guys are so smart! eren knew about all those stuff the moment he kissed historia's hand that's why he's been acting different since then. and if you pay attention, when zeke and eren went through grischa's memories, he kinda lost when they visited the memory of saving mikasa. he completely ignored zeke and focused on mikasa
Eren knew everything that was going to happen and everything he was going to do from the moment he kissed history's hand in the season 3 finale when she was handing them the medals. You can see the moments at minutes 9:54 and 11:34. Eren had access to those memories of the future because he had contact with Historia by touching her hand, since she has royal blood. That's why he was all traumatized in the scene.
Kiss you’re right . The reason eren said he was disgusted with grisha was because grisha didn’t have the guts to go through with it. Eren had to push him into doing it.
12:35 The way you sense how much your sister is hurting at this moment speaks volumes. Thank you both for having the courage to be so vulnerable for your reactions. I cried multiple times watching this. 13:28 The fact that "someone can see the future" is the twist, but it's a twist because they're the ONLY one who can see the future is honestly one of the most innovative and incredible plot twists ever conceived of. It's just unparalleled in my mind. 13:36 My theory is that the Attack Titan always belonging to someone who goes against the King's ideals is ultimately BECAUSE (SPOILER for ending)..............Eren is the final recipient of the Attack Titan. As a result, he is ultimately the one with the power to shape the state of mind of his predecessor by selecting the relevant memories to send back and when to send them. That in turn, shapes how the predecessor (Grisha) sends memories to their predecessor, Eren Kruger, etc. The chain of inheritance starts with Eren where Eren psychologically manipulates everyone back in time indirectly, the opposite of the Founding Titan who can establish vows that indirectly influence all future inheritors moving forward. So Eren is actually the REASON that the Attack Titan has the ideals it does. As Grisha says, "we were all lead by our memories...for this moment." Another part of this theory (possibly) is that since Eren eventually gets the Founding Titan, he gains access to the memories of all Subjects of Ymir before him, allowing him to know when any given link in the inheritance chain should send which memories to whom to ensure his will manifests properly over time. 18:11 "Eren scares me, but I love him, but I also kinda hate him, but I also don't; like, I definitely don't." When this season ended, before the specials, crunchyroll ran a pair of polls for best hero and best villain (or maybe it was protagonist and antagonist, I forget). Eren Jaegar ended up winning BOTH polls which properly confused one reactor I was watching at the time who was in the middle of season 2, hahaha. Also, I never caught that "pun" about having the power of the Founder in the palm of his hand. That is truly hilarious and a great "catch". ;-) As always, I loved your reactions immensely. This too was my favorite episode of the entire series. Just masterful writing and voice acting. I can't wait for the next video. Cheers!
Yes Kiss, YES!!! That's exactly why Eren was disgusted... not because he killed the children but because he was so weak and had to be pushed. You kind of missed it in the first reaction but Grisha is terrified of Eren all throughout the memories... Basically the Attack Titan is the way it is through 2000 years because that's how Eren is.
Important things to keep in mind: It is not specified which Eren Grisha is refering to. His son or Eren Kruger. I personally think it could be Eren Kruger because the whole save Eldia trope was Eren Kruger's thing. He died only beign able to operate from behind a barrier. and in a sense operate through Eren. But also this gave Grisha and Zeike the chance to reconcile and have a much needed moment. But Grisha did damage his children. He could have just not given Eren the injection from the beginning. But he also put that on eren, he basically cursed his life and future. So for me yes Girsha finish what you start. He wa sin too deep to stop. And I also wondr which Eren was that pressured Grisha The flash of Eren's face is what Eren saw when he kissed Historia's hand in the ceremony, he saw all of this in a flash. Also: do you remeber when he was 1st taken to that place? whole he was chained and Rod Reiss and Historia were going up the stairs and he womdered "haven't I been here before?" and Rod Reiss read his mind and answered "no you have not" technically... he had... through Grisha's memories.
FINALLY! The episode I’ve been waiting for since the beginning! You two have become one of my favorite channels. Look forward to your videos every week. Keep that shit up.
Remember eren staring into the mirror and saying "Fight, Fight"... he's sending those memories to the past AT holders, in order for them to break away from the trend and oppose the flow in all times.
Best episode yet!!
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Here are some shows I think u can add for future reactions-
Black lagoon
Steins gate
Code geass
Monster-2004
Hunter x hunter
Okay now do Hunter x Hunter
@@shashwatmishraalumni4918 Code geass and stein's gate mentioned. Raaahh take my like +1
Grisha's VA did a phenomenal job in this episode.
the emotion in his voice at the end there is so impressive. Absolutely not something everyone could do
I agree. I had chills the hole time.
i dont think they understood what happened in this episode, all the memories and futur thing flew over their head
100%, top shelf!
He absolutely killed it
' It's a whole new show again ' - If a show can make you feel that way after 79 episodes, then you know shit's GOATed.
I have rewatched the whole show in between each season and it is literally a different show each time. That's the GOAT part of AOT for me, on top of everything else, obviously ^^
@@sekishudaiSame! Shit's wild
One Piece is the same way! But preach tho. ❤🔥
Remember when we thought that the Colossal Titan was the final boss? Remember when we thought that the walls were the only defense of the entire human kind
One thousand episode piece, lets compare when its under 100 eps 😊@WhyRushHomie
"Somewhere down the line, someone could be watching this."
- Eren Kruger (Chapter 89 or episode 58 of the anime)
Just like he said Grisha needed to have a family and stay on his path to save Armin and Mikasa. He was the Attack Titan before Grisha and he knew of future events with no relation to the Founding Titan.
@@lk0324伏線ではある。エレンの言ったことが、クルーガー、グリシャ、エレンに続いてる
@@lk0324technically it was
@@lk0324ok if it isn’t for shadowing why did Kruger say Armins and mikasa name right before he have greshia the attack titan? Go back to that episode and watch what he said
@@925bayareatycoon hes talking about this line specifically, it isnt foreshadowing because one can easily take it in its literal meaning. Memories from past shifters are passed on to future ones. The part with armin and mikasa was foreshadowing. "Whose memories are those" because as eren said, it all happens at once and forever. Hes a mess mentally. As soon as he got the power of the founder and paths, he existed throughout the 2000 years. Eren 1000% did and possibly could have influenced the entire path of 2000 years to get to this point to free ymir, it was always ymir and the attack titan imo represents her desire to be free, it just took 2000 years to gain the power and rage build up to break free of her chains, she needed a real connection. Eren gained his freedom, by choosing how to free everyone else from the cycle and choose who to save.
8:57 "shush rod" gotta be the most funniest reaction so far
No matter what side you're on, nobody likes Rod Reiss.
@@thewalletfrl 😭😭 he was not likeable at all fr😭 but he had good intentions at the beginning😭
@@AcedOnez when he was a child yeah
@@waminalkent6705 a teen/young adult*
This future memory shit is really unique and clever mechanic to use in this storytelling. I wonder if Isayama created it himself, or Eren just whispered on him to write it
100% sure it was Eren
The ability is similar to that of greenseers in a song of ice and fire
Stop, it just got scary
In terms of narrative, the author can concieve his characters in a way, but sometimes they just take their own path, one that only cares about serving the plot and not the author's will. Somehow, someway, it could be said that characters write themselves. Eren manipulating Isayama is as possible as ironic.
Here's what I love about that episode. That showdown wasn't really between Grisha and Frieda... it was between King Reiss's will from the past vs Eren Jaeger's will from the future, battling through their surrogates.
No it was Grisha and Eren bypassing the King's will by stealing the founding Titan. They knew that they couldn't fight the King's will and had no hope of undoing it so they didn't bother. They just ate the royal. That's why Eren said to Grisha "you know what you came here to do". That's why Eren got pissed off when Grisha started appealing to Frieda rather than doing what they came to do. Steal the Titan.
If you pay attention to the words Eren used to manipulate his dad, it was the same words Kruger told him before giving him the Attack Titan. That’s why he knew saying it like that would get his father to act.
well actually the words that kruger said were the words eren used😂 you got it alright but kinda opposite
I think it's the opposite. I think it was Eren speaking through Kruger the first time, saying whatever would motivate Grisha to go through with it. It would have been Grisha's first time hearing those words, Eren's second time using them to push Grisha to do what he wanted to do. Manipulation born out of having already seen his Father's memories and knowing what would emotionally resonate with him.
@@anwarihosein3889 One sure thing is that it was Eren's doing !😅
@@anwarihosein3889 I didn’t say who’s words they were. I just said they were the same words.
But you did say that eren said those words because he knew it would work because he knew it worked when kruger said them@@Supergh0stTV
When eren kissed historias' hand, he saw everything that day. Everything till the end. That is why he asked conny: What was sashas' last words. And conny said "meat". Eren laughed because of madness because he saw that he couldn't change the future anymore.
Rather, he saw everything that future Eren chose to reveal to past Eren. He says later on (major spoiler alert!) that he doesn’t even know whether or not his friends kill him (or maybe it was whether they survive). So he doesn’t necessarily know everything. Future Eren is manipulating past Eren by selectively showing him memories just like he did with Grisha.
No he didn’t see EVERYTHING. He just knew that he’d gain control of the founder through Zeke and start the Rumbling as well as having to convince Grisha to kill the Reiss’s, he just didn’t know the circumstances leading up to it(like having to convince Ymir to side with him, Gabbie blowing his head off or Sasha getting killled)
@@notnotandrew that’s insane
@@notnotandrew yes because he wanted to change it after all.
wrong eren didnt see any future memories completely when he kissed historia
he only saw bits and pieces of it
in the manga its shown much better
he didnt knew sasha was going to be killed and he only saw what future eren send it to him
The way Isayama was cooking when he wrote this episode is like Yagami Light popping off writing in the Death Note.
Damm...i had the exact same thoughts 😂
Isayama was like: "Oh, so you thought, it couldn`t get even more crazy? Well, you`ve seen sh*t!" 😂
And then he overcooked it, tried to put it out with oil and then threw it into gasoline.
And he did it.... while eating a potato chip.
i heard the ”music” 😂😂😂
it took me awhile to realise that grisha was not seeing eren at all!! instead grisha was seeing himself thorough eren's pov (basically seeing himself though eren's memories) and even when he hugged zeke, he was just hugging air and eren was standing infornt of zeke and ghrisha saw zeke through eren's pov
How was he hugging air?
@@agnetasteam Because Zeke isn't actually standing there, Grisha is viewing Zeke's presence through Eren's eyeballs as a shared memory
Uh no, that makes no sense. Grisha is clearly making physical contact with Zeke. Eren was also able to grab Grisha’s shoulder when making him kill the Reiss’s
@@agnetasteam if you was far a way you will see him hug the air but in his mind he was hug zeke
grisha wasn't just seeing himself thorough eren pov, he was feeling his anger too
one of the greatest plot twists of all time
The reason why Grisha can see Zeke is because he's seeing him through Eren's memories. Every time Grisha sees Zeke Eren is always standing behind him facing Zeke behind Grisha.
Also the reason why Grisha makes that surprised face when staring at Eren is because he's directly looking at himself.
Also also Eren telling Grisha that he's the one that started this story is the same line Eren Kruger said to him when giving him the attack titan.
All of these events were seen when Eren touched Historia's hand at the end of season 3.
They're showing moment of a kiss in this episode actually 😊
"It's been Eren this whole time??"
"Always has been" 🔫
lmao😂
"Always will be"
Nah the whole world is evil I'm a yeagerist Im not a traitor I protect my family, my people and my country
@@r_bear "Always will have has been."
Technically it’s Ymir. Eren has no free will
eren is basically permitting his father to see through his own eyes, so that he can interact with Zeke and say he is sorry.
11:34 a quick flash of Eren from the medal ceremony showing what he saw when he kissed Historia's hand
Small little detail from the ceremony - when Historia is about the put the pendant over Eren's head, the pendant and the form/shadow on Historia's dress is nearly identical to Eren's founding titan form. The level of intricacy in this show/story is beyond anything else I've ever experienced before. It's worth at least one rewatch.
The way Eren stares back at Zeke in chains like he's the messiah giving the "It was me all along" eyes
You mean the devil.
No, the royal family couldn't break free from the vow like Zeke did. Remember, Zeke didn't actually possess the founding titan - he was just a royal titan touching the founding titan. Which means he still had free will. Because Frieda actually has the founder's titan, she is controlled by King Fritz's will. To behave like Zeke, they would have needed someone who wasn't possessed by the founder's titan to cooperate with them.
Exactly! When he says he nullified the vow, he meant that he could undo it so future inheritors wouldn’t be bound by it since he had full control of the founder at that point.
Can someone explain the vow renouncing war in simple terms ?!
@@akashdatta5149 King Fritz made his family line submit to his will - to make a kingdom cut off from the rest of the world. And to one day accept the world's hatred and let this kingdom be destroyed.
Even though they have their own thoughts and personalities, if any of his direct descendants (those of royal blood) eat the founding tian, Fritz's will takes over. This was to prevent them from rebelling and attempting to destroy the world. Instead, they would keep their population naive of the outside world and wait for Eldia to be invaded.
I just never understood why Frieda was so weak. Wasn't her supposed to control the most powerful titan? Like I think she was supposed to win over Grisha in that fight
@@enzoys She lacked combat experience with her titan. She was just 18 by then and the Royal family likely saw no need to train for combat. Grisha meanwhile fought his way to the walls when they were still swarming with titans beyond them.
when eren said he was disgusted, he was actually referring to himself. you can see here that these are the memories he saw when he kissed historia's hand at the very end of s3, and then after that we get the sea scene, where eren is VERY different compared to how he acted before. He saw himself making his dad end the Reiss family, which was what disgusted him
Time travel ability = Attack Titan (ability to see past and future) + Founder Titan (ability to transcend time and space) + Royal blood (Zeke's genes)
no no, the attack titan doesn't have the ability to see past or future, they just all received memories from the future inheritors, because the founding titan has the ability to transcend time and space
The empathy you guys feel for the characters in this world is touching. You guys are have such great commentary and insight! I hope you enjoy the rest of the show!
In the anime, the first episode doesn’t show Grisha’s head while he’s showing the basement key to Eren. But in the manga, in the very first chapter, we see Grisha inexplicably staring off to the side while showing Eren the key. This odd quirk made no sense until the chapter corresponding to this episode was released.
I"m really sad that nuggets like those didn't make it to the anime. Putting it all together makes it that much sweeter when you have all those bits and pieces.
So, I'm not sure if you guys picked it up, but here is how the Future stuff works:
Eren sent memories to his father of the future. He showed his father his own memories of what will happen in the future... But he didn't show him EVERYTHING, just snippets. THEN, when Eren touched Historia's hand, he saw all of his Dad's memories.. which included the future memories that (future) Eren sent to his father.
So Eren can only see the future because IN the future, he sends those memories back to his dad, and then once he sees everything that his dad knows, he also sees those future memories. A bit confusing, but hopefully that makes sense.
So that's why Eren changed at the end of Season 3 right after the Historia hand kiss.. He became more sad and cold.. And thats because he saw his dads memories.. which means he saw the future that he sent back to his dad.. So he knew that he was going to start the Rumbling, but he didnt know WHY.. so he spend years trying to find away, but everything kept happening and he couldnt change what he saw..
For me the best fiction episode, I remember that I couldn't sleep when this same episode was broadcast in manga.
There you have it, Eren has basically been in control of everything since before(/after) even he knew he was capable of it
Or is he slave to “fate”?
Haylo & Kiss are also being manipulated by Eren to do the reactions
@@trigunner6968I actually laughed out loud 💀
Bruh the mother twist was more shocking to me and the fact that it wasn't emphasized or talked about more is crazy
These literally not in control of anything
The way the whole episode was handled is epitomic. The voice acting, the OST, the tension in the scene. Isayama did it, Mappa did it .....one of the greatest episode in television.
Eren repeats Kruger's words to Grisha about finishing what he started. The setups and payoffs in this show are amazing.
Also you're right about pretty much everyone being a victim of circumstance, and that's what makes the whole thing so tragic. Because every choice made by every single person in this story makes logical sense from the perspective of the person making said choice, and when you try to put yourself in their shoes it gets real hard to claim that you would have acted differently.
this episode contains my favourite moment not just from this series but from any. Been looking forward to this reaction
Kiss crying and then laughing at the end. 😅
There is "What is hapeneen?" on minute 3. 😅
“You keep moving forward. Even if you die. Even after death.” -Eren
“You keep moving forward. Even if you die. Even after death. -Eren Kruger" -Eren Jaeger
-Michael Scott
Technically in Japanese “Shingeki no Kyojin” means “The advancing Titan/The advancing of the Titans”; so you get how something/someone can “advance”? Because it sees the future, it can see forward and knows how to move.
Everytime Grisha “saw” Zeke, Eren was standing BEHIND Grisha, giving him “a good view” from his perspective and thus sending those memories via the power of the Attack Titan. When Grisha was showing young Eren the key, he was staring at future Eren because he was getting a memory from future Eren’s pov staring BACK at Grisha but from Grisha’s pov… no one is in front of him. So he was getting 2 perspectives of the same event. He KNEW someone was watching him but can’t see future Eren because he can only see everything from future Eren’s pov in addition to his own, which includes future Zeke.
-I want to clarify about seeing the future, all titan shifters are able to see the past through previous users, but attack titan apart from being able to see the past but they can see the future through subsequent users, "only memories"
-What Eren did to Grisha was beyond the power of the Attack Titan, Grisha was able to see and feel Eren's presence and emotions as if he were by Grisha's side, deciding which memory should be given to Grisha or not is the power of Founding
-why is Eren able to use Founding better than Frieda and Zeke because Eren has memories in season 3 when Rod Reiss told Historia to touch Eren and he chose Frieda's memory from Eren because he wanted to introduce Historia about Frieda, while Eren who was asking questions " Have I been in this place before?” he got the memory of his father eating Frieda, then after Eren got to the basement and got the truth, he was still wondering if there was a truth that he hadn't gotten, which in the end when he kissed Historia he got his own memories of "Path" (that he himself did it not Grisha)
-Therefore what Eren is doing in "path" is using Zeke who takes him to his father's memories, which means not "Eren did it again "but Eren is doing it right now" remember there is no time specification in path but what certain is that they did faster in the real world
-As feedback from Eren, he showed Zeke that their father was a good father and he regret what he did to Zeke
"Rather than letting someone steal my freedom, i'll steal theirs first."
This is what made Eren do that to his father, his father tried to stop him from achieving freedom so he took away his by controlling him using the titan powers.
That's what that young pissed off Eren face symbolized... in the most most time looped twisted way, lol.
Bro watched season 4 long before we did 😆
Also Eren: gives up and lets people take his freedom
Just to clear this attack titan ability..
It's not able to see glimpses of future memories but rather the future inheritor can send back memories to the past inheritor.. that's why grisha says "why won't you show me everything eren"
yep that is how future eren selectively showed bits of memories to s3 eren when he kissed historias hand
But then why did Eren see some of his future memories exactly at the moment when he touched Historia? Why not before or after that?
@@SanketPatolesince he has the founding titan and because he kissed historia's hand
a royal blood
he could see it
@@SanketPatole he was seeing the memories before that as well.. but it just happened to be he got those future memories when he kissed historia's hand.. to clear your confusion, they weren't exactly future memories they were still grisha's memories cuz eren or anyone can't see future memories.. those memories were sent to grisha by the Future eren of that timeline and then they became part of grisha's memories when eren kissed historia's hand he unlocked more grisha's memories including the memories Future eren sent to grisha
@@AM17titan
1. If it's about possessing Attack Titan+Founding Titan and then touching royal blood, then how could Eren Kruger (Only Attack Titan) see Eren Jaeger's future memories without possessing Founding Titan and touching royal blood?
2. If it's only about possessing Attack Titan+Founding Titan, Then how could Grisha Jaeger (Only Attack Titan) see Eren Jaeger's future memories without acquiring the Founding Titan first?
3. If it's only about possessing Attack Titan, then how could Eren sleeping under the tree see future Eren i.e. attack Titan's memories of Eren's mom being eaten?
4. If Eren's Attack Titan (only) intentionally sends future memories to past holders of Attack Titan, then who sent future memories of Flying Jaw Titan to Falco?
Idk how many episodes ago it started, but she’s been in tears constantly XD
Kiss, you're right about... that's the reason Eren was disgusted
ALOT of people misunderstand how the attack titan works and whats happening in these scenes.
Eren was controlling everyone who inherited the Attack Titan since the first one. Because as he is the last, there is noone to control him. Like how King Fritz controlled all people who inherited Founding Titan. The only difference is, King Fritz controls from the past, Eren controls from the future.
actually eren's also been controled by future eren so far
Hence the first episode title:
To You, in 2000 Years: The Fall of Shiganshina
oh..wow!🎉
I wouldn't call it "control". He didn't control Krueger for example. Rather, Eren's will and fighting spirit were passed down (up?) backward through time, not unlike how these things get passed down for other titans.
@@elheberright-the attack titan is what it is because Eren is who he is. Time stuff gets messy though, you could also pretty easily buy that Eren and the attack titan are the personification of Ymir's longstanding, repressed wish to fight back.
She was crying when his father said he is gonna show him the basement. She never knew what is next.
This episode is definitely the best of the whole season, probably the whole show. Grisha's voice actor deserves every award for his performance in this episode.
The best Episode of Anime History in my opinion, very well written.
You're not ready for the next episode, it's going to be amazing
props to Isayama🙏
“ it’s a whole new show again”
Yes, it definitely felt that way.
One of the greatest plot twists in anime history, Eren, the master manipulator. Also Grisha's VA never fails to send chills down my spine. holy fuck
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, the PATHS have led us all for this very moment. This episode is basically the clash of the First King's immovable will of the past to Eren's unstoppable desire for the future.
Eren in S1 , 2 , 3 - call an ambulance , call an ambulance
Eren s4 - But not for me
7:35 Zeke could only break the chains because he had royal blood but didn't possess the Founding Titan, thus wasn't bound by the oath renouncing war. Plus he never wanted to start war in the first place, he just made the chains to fool Eren
Oh that's right! Even if he WAS bound by the oath, he'd still be able to enact his euthanization plan. In fact, Karl Fritz would have probably shown up as a ghostly apparition to give Zeke a smile and thumbs up.
@@elheber that would've been a dope twist
if you notice eren only came to know why he was there when grisha sees zeke in the basement
you could see eren was also shocked
before going into the memories and during it eren constantly told zeke to get out as he was no longer brainwashed
notice how after witnessing grisha see zeke, eren quickly realized why he was there and THIS TIME told zeke to go to next memory thats why he thanks zeke at the end
Ppl may disagree but I have Grisha in my top 10 AoT characters… anytime he’s on screen the pivots are so monumental and gut wrenching you just can’t ignore his character.
OK so just to help you guys out, not sure if you really read these comments but here’s an explanation for the attack titan‘s secret ability: if you remember the owl knew who Mikasa and Armin was when he was talking to Grecia passing on the powers, this is because Aaron through the attack titan power goes back in time to give future memories to the Attack Titans of the past. So really only the attack titan‘s of the past can see the future. When Aaron kissed Historia‘s hand, he saw his father‘s memory, and saw what HE himself did. Which is why he had an horrific look on his face. Zeke throughout the episode isn’t picking up on these little hints that he’s seeing them despite the fact that they are from the future. It’s not until the revelation of Zeke realizes that Aaron wanted him to take him into the past so that he could force his father to kill the Reese family. So every single attack titan in history Aaron manipulated so that he would get the power, so that everything will fall into place for him to get the founding power so that he could accomplish his goal.
Yeah I don't buy that. As far as we know, Eren only sent memories to his father. We saw him in front of the mirror trying to learn how to send memories, and in this episode we saw the first time Eren finally learned how to do it in the basement with Zeke. We also know that in the future, Eren will send Grisha mere glimpses of the rumbling, because Grisha said so.
@@elheber I will first respond to your initial point, that being that he only sent memories to his father. Are you saying that all the past Titans could see the future but that only Grecia saw it from Eren directly? It’s clear that the memories shown to the past Titans are chosen by either Eren or Ymir. That’s number one. Likely Eren. But given that Eren in someways is an extension of the Ymir, this still barely makes a difference. Either way, the past attack Titans are given glimpses, they cannot see the full future. They are only see what they are allowed to see. This is why Eren Krueger said “You have to save Armin and Mikasa.” This doesn’t make sense if he chose to say this on his own volition given that he doesn’t know them or care about them at all. It’s Eren who is having him say this. The rest of your points don’t contradict a single thing I said before. So I don’t know why you decided to stay at those points. So I don’t disagree with any of them
@@bossisin2510 "Are you saying that all the past Titans could see the future but that only Grecia saw it from Eren directly?"
Yes. Grisha saw glimpses of Eren's memories, Krueger saw glimpses of Grisha's memories, and whoever came before Krueger saw glimpses of Kueger's memories.
"This is why Eren Krueger said 'You have to save Armin and Mikasa.' ”
Krueger said this because it's word-for-word what Grisha cried to Eren as he was about to inject him. It was deja-vu. Likewise, Grisha said that to Eren because he saw a glimpse of Eren needing to transform to save Armin and Mikasa, probably from the very same canon in that episode.
@@elheber you make great points to back up an argument that is false. In order to fully dive in to this and find the answer, we have to look at where titan abilities come from, who dictates them, and what the end goal for these choices are. Every titan ability comes from God, or the devil, or life, whatever you wanna call that being that your Ymir ran into. This being has one goal, to survive and thrive. It is clear that it is meant to represent the evil that is inside all of us. The monster that is within, that we are all capable of being. As long as the Sting exists, evil, chaos, war, will exist. It is the evil within. I am saying this to point out the fact that it really is meant to represent more than it is to be, we are not meant to assume that it has any higher deeper motives, and we are not meant to treat it as a character. Ymir on the other hand we are. Ymir’s end goal from the time she entered the paths, was to get Eren Yeager to help her be free. She has the will but lacks the strength, she has the strength but lacks the will. By joining forces they both get what they want. But where it gets interesting is whether or not his will is even his own, or if it comes from her. This is where the show gets incredibly complex and deep. But that has nothing to do with our argument so I will move on. The point being, you are wrong… No, it’s Eren using the power of the founding titan(ymir) to send memories back in time. Grisha mistakenly thought it was the Attack Titan’s power. So did all the previous attack Titans, there’s no way they could understand what was really happening. It had to be the attack titan that Aaron received, Emmett had to be him that freed her, so she made sure that none of the other Titans had this ability or knew about disability including the founding. It’s in her power to dictate which titans have witch abilities. All things titan related or under her control. This is why the attack titan can “see the future” it’s more so so that Eren/Ymir can manipulate all of them to make sure the events that need to happen for him to get the founding happen. Now it’s important to note that he doesn’t happen to disability until he receives the founding. But that is the only reason why the attack titan can seemingly see into the future. It’s a founding titan ability, that can only be accessed by someone who is not held down by the kings wish, and it only affects the attack Titans. It is not an ability they just randomly have because that’s how it happened and they just happen to have it. now there is an argument to be made, that it is not Eren who uses the founding titan power to manipulate the past to ensure the future/present, but Ymir instead. This would make sense. A large chunk of evidence to point to this would be the first episode, based on the titles of both episode one and 80, and based on the fact that at this point Aaron has not been given the titan serum yet, it is Eumir that since Aaron a vision of his future while he sleeps under the tree, to subconsciously lead him to that future. If you need further explanation for this specific point let me know, if you don’t know what I’m referencing. So the fact that your mirror was directly sending visions to Aaron without him having the attack titan ability, points to the likelihood that she played a major or main part in sending visions to the previous Titans. And that eren only effective Grecia. But there are instances of Aaron affecting and manipulating the past to ensure his own success, like him sending Dina to kill his mother. Which of course like I explained, all of this is only possible with the founding titan‘s abilities. But either way your theory assumes that the attack titan is a random ability, and the visions you see are random, and if the wheels of the attack titans up until eren are free. This could not be further from the truth. Also whether or not it’s Erin or yimir that manipulates the past, it almost doesn’t matter given that Eren‘s own choices are in question on whether or not they are actually mirrors. Whoever it was, or whether or not it was both of them equally, the point is that the past attack titans were manipulated.
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ITS FINALLY HERE. The attack titan can see whatever the future wielder wants them to see. And it seems like Eren has been leading EVERY ATTACK TITAN THROUGH HISTORY, GUIDING THEM TO THIS POINT SO EREN COULD TOUCH ZEKE AND GAIN THE POWER OF THE FOUNDER. If you go back to episodes in season 1, you can see silhouettes of CURRENT EREN in the background watching his younger self. You can see him in YOUR OWN REACTION IN EPISODE 2 at 12:14! Like...WHAT. The manga wasn't even finished when that episode aired. This has been the plan since the beginning.
I read a quote that resonated with me once.
"They didn't make good choices, they had good choices."
No one has good choices in this show. No one lol.
If you're still confused as to exactly how Eren pulled this off, here's an analogy I came up with very recently that really helps me: *Eren is a secret UA-cam reactor* 😆 So Zeke, using the Founder's power, comes up to Eren and is like, "Yo Eren I have a video of your entire childhood, recorded by Grisha, wanna react to it?" And Eren's like, "Okay then." And so they react to it, but secretly Eren *records the entire reaction* (in his own memories) and *sends their reaction video back in time* into Grisha's head (using the Attack Titan's unique power) and presses PLAY on the recording, so that it perfectly syncs up with Grisha's actual life -- so Grisha is living his life AND getting instant feedback from Eren and Zeke simultaneously. (What a way to live, eh? 😬) And of course Grisha is reacting to Eren and Zeke's feedback, which produces this perfect simultaneous feedback loop that allows Grisha to essentially interact with them "in real time". And then of course later (so to speak), younger Eren receives all of Grisha's memories of the temple incident from Grisha (via the ordinary memory inheritance) when he kisses Historia's hand -- and sees himself manipulating Grisha! It all comes full circle.
the memes that came out of the fandom after this episode aired were so funny 😭 from eren's head in zeke's hand template, to theories that eren whispered things to isayama on how to write aot. people were rewatching old interviews of the writer and saying "if you listen hard enough, you can hear eren telling isayama what to answer". the things a depressed fandom will do to cope 😭
ITS HERE
one of the gratest plot twists of all time and memes were born. Really meme of Eren standing over Isayama (SnK creator) telling him what to do when he was writing the story is just peak pop culture
Voice acting in this episode is absolutely phenomenal. Gets me every time
That post discussion is crazy, i loved it
When Grisha stabs himself, there is a shot of Eren kissing Historia's hand. Later when Eren is pushing them out of their father's memories, there is another shot of Eren's face after kissing Historia's hand.
It's my stance that those two shots mark the start and end of what Eren saw that day when he kissed Historia's hand. From that single scene Eren learned he could send memories to his father, that killing the royal family was his own order, that Zeke was in here with him, and that he was going to do the Rumbling. That's all Eren ever knew about the future. That's all he needed to know. Everything else, from Sasha's death, to the surprise attack at Shiganshina, to Zeke's betrayal... all of these were surprises to Eren.
Love how you're so involved on this series and doing all this analysis.❤
Congratulations on 100k!
Oh shit here we go
THEY MADE IT
@14:09
"I think you're more spot on"
"With what? I don't even know what I'm saying!"
Yep. Attack on Titan theory-crafting at it's peak.
Zeke: Eren, your father brainwashed you.
Eren: No, I brainwashed him.
I can feel you guys! It was also a roller coaster ride of emotion watching this amazing episode, and I had teary eyes in the end witnessing the reconsiliation between Grisha and Zeke. I've been looking forward to watch your reaction for this episode.
You guys are smart and receptive! I really understand the confusion you had about the Attack Titan's ability in seeing the future. I believe you guys will have better understanding later.
Grisha's VA .. is just ... tour de force!
You wanna get even more mindblown?
What Grisha's seeing throughout the entire episode is EREN'S POV. That's why he can only see Zeke and not Eren because he is watching Zeke and himself through Eren's eyes/memories.
Imagine Eren as the Camera . Grisha was looking at himself when he was about to head out through the door outside their house through Eren. That's why he had this distraught look at his face.
Everytime Grisha sees Zeke (and himself) , is through Eren.
"Let's watch the next one..." "YES", that got me XD
their emotions this episode 📈📉📈📉📈📈📉📉📉📈📉📈
Zeke was able to break the vow, because he didn't possess the Founding Titan in him. Karl Fritz made the vow through the Founding Titan. Zeke was able to do it, because he was able to reach the paths & discover that Ymir listened to any royal blood. Since he wasn't restricted via Founding Titan, he was able to gain full Founder's power & able to command Ymir completely.
The Reiss family line could never break 'the chains' coz they had Founding Titan in them
Its not exactly that Eren can see the future on his own. His dad could see Erens memories, because its a unique trait of the Attack Titan. But Eren could see his fathers memories, because of the Founding Titan. And so Eren could see his own future memories throught the memories of his father.
Grisha's VA came back from the dead and absolutely nailed the role
What? He had episodes in S3 after the Battle of Shinganshina. Not to mention Zeke’s flashback episode
@@GorramT yup in all that episodes he stole the show just by his voice acting
I don't know if you missed it but there was this one scene in season 3 they showed here again, when Eren kissed Historias hands and he was just petrified in the moment. He basically made contact back then. To me it implied that he saw all this and. After that he became much more not himself. Remember when they got to the sea for the first time and he couldn't really feel anything
Caral, "Eren your ears go red when you lie!"
Eren proceeds to grow hair over his ears to mask all the double-crossing and machinations he be doin' LMFAO
Grisha hates Marley to the core, but after seeing Eren's memories of the future he's asking Zeke to stop him... it's so terrible not even Marley deserves it. Great reaction as always!
I remember the day this episode aired quite well because also Demon Slayer episode 2x17 'Never give up' aired too. That was a good day indeed.
The ultimate dominate t-pose eren pulled off towards the end will never not be funny.
7:38 Zeke did it because he didn't actually have the Founding Titan, he just had royal blood, and so he was free
7:32 Zeke _didn't_ break the chains, he was never bound by them in the first place. The vow renouncing war was sworn by the first king of the walls. Zeke was born outside the walls, and so isn't a descendent of the first king.
When he lived in Marley, Grisha wanted a son like Eren
When he lived in Eldia, all he wanted was a son like Zeke
This is the best episode ever.
From here on, we are passengers in a car with the creator of AoT behind the wheel jerking it LEFT...RIGHT...LEFT...RIGHT...LEFT
Ok, I will try to sum up the memory thing in a line. Kindly comment of I am wrong here.
1. The founding Titan if possessed by the royal blood line, can see the PAST memories of all previous 9 titans.
2. The Attack Titan is the ONLY one that can send memories that they WANT back in to the past to guide previous attack titans owners, so previous attack titans are basically seeing the future, but only from future attack Titan user's perspective. Also, the memories sent back by attack Titan user's are selective and they can choose to hide stuff they want.
My mornings are better with your videos, thanks
you guys are so smart! eren knew about all those stuff the moment he kissed historia's hand that's why he's been acting different since then. and if you pay attention, when zeke and eren went through grischa's memories, he kinda lost when they visited the memory of saving mikasa. he completely ignored zeke and focused on mikasa
DAD JOKE! "I have the Founding Titan powers in my hand" I never noticed that. Nice "catch" 😂 By the way, you two are the best reactors on UA-cam.
Eren knew everything that was going to happen and everything he was going to do from the moment he kissed history's hand in the season 3 finale when she was handing them the medals. You can see the moments at minutes 9:54 and 11:34. Eren had access to those memories of the future because he had contact with Historia by touching her hand, since she has royal blood. That's why he was all traumatized in the scene.
Kiss you’re right . The reason eren said he was disgusted with grisha was because grisha didn’t have the guts to go through with it. Eren had to push him into doing it.
For someone named victory, zeke surely takes some serious 'L's
(For those who didn't know, Sieg means victory in german)
These girls are too smart with all the predictions
12:35 The way you sense how much your sister is hurting at this moment speaks volumes. Thank you both for having the courage to be so vulnerable for your reactions. I cried multiple times watching this.
13:28 The fact that "someone can see the future" is the twist, but it's a twist because they're the ONLY one who can see the future is honestly one of the most innovative and incredible plot twists ever conceived of. It's just unparalleled in my mind.
13:36 My theory is that the Attack Titan always belonging to someone who goes against the King's ideals is ultimately BECAUSE (SPOILER for ending)..............Eren is the final recipient of the Attack Titan. As a result, he is ultimately the one with the power to shape the state of mind of his predecessor by selecting the relevant memories to send back and when to send them. That in turn, shapes how the predecessor (Grisha) sends memories to their predecessor, Eren Kruger, etc. The chain of inheritance starts with Eren where Eren psychologically manipulates everyone back in time indirectly, the opposite of the Founding Titan who can establish vows that indirectly influence all future inheritors moving forward. So Eren is actually the REASON that the Attack Titan has the ideals it does. As Grisha says, "we were all lead by our memories...for this moment." Another part of this theory (possibly) is that since Eren eventually gets the Founding Titan, he gains access to the memories of all Subjects of Ymir before him, allowing him to know when any given link in the inheritance chain should send which memories to whom to ensure his will manifests properly over time.
18:11 "Eren scares me, but I love him, but I also kinda hate him, but I also don't; like, I definitely don't." When this season ended, before the specials, crunchyroll ran a pair of polls for best hero and best villain (or maybe it was protagonist and antagonist, I forget). Eren Jaegar ended up winning BOTH polls which properly confused one reactor I was watching at the time who was in the middle of season 2, hahaha.
Also, I never caught that "pun" about having the power of the Founder in the palm of his hand. That is truly hilarious and a great "catch". ;-)
As always, I loved your reactions immensely. This too was my favorite episode of the entire series. Just masterful writing and voice acting. I can't wait for the next video. Cheers!
he's always been like this, terrifying
Zeke basically binged AoT in one sitting, his mind was blown 😂
Yes Kiss, YES!!! That's exactly why Eren was disgusted... not because he killed the children but because he was so weak and had to be pushed. You kind of missed it in the first reaction but Grisha is terrified of Eren all throughout the memories... Basically the Attack Titan is the way it is through 2000 years because that's how Eren is.
Biggest plot twist of all anime history. Eren wrote in own manga
Erin still watching Mikasa in his flash back !!😭😭💕
Since the 1st chapter, I always waited for this moment to see their reactions. Poor Zeke, right? Here we understand how events are turning.
Important things to keep in mind: It is not specified which Eren Grisha is refering to. His son or Eren Kruger.
I personally think it could be Eren Kruger because the whole save Eldia trope was Eren Kruger's thing. He died only beign able to operate from behind a barrier. and in a sense operate through Eren.
But also this gave Grisha and Zeike the chance to reconcile and have a much needed moment.
But Grisha did damage his children. He could have just not given Eren the injection from the beginning. But he also put that on eren, he basically cursed his life and future. So for me yes Girsha finish what you start. He wa sin too deep to stop. And I also wondr which Eren was that pressured Grisha
The flash of Eren's face is what Eren saw when he kissed Historia's hand in the ceremony, he saw all of this in a flash.
Also: do you remeber when he was 1st taken to that place? whole he was chained and Rod Reiss and Historia were going up the stairs and he womdered "haven't I been here before?" and Rod Reiss read his mind and answered "no you have not" technically... he had... through Grisha's memories.
FINALLY! The episode I’ve been waiting for since the beginning! You two have become one of my favorite channels. Look forward to your videos every week. Keep that shit up.
Remember eren staring into the mirror and saying "Fight, Fight"...
he's sending those memories to the past AT holders, in order for them to break away from the trend and oppose the flow in all times.
18:06 Puppet master, mastermind, hypnotist...
one of the best plot twists ever