I owned both the A7S3 and the R5… which is essentially the same image as the R5C. I do agree that the Sony has better dynamic range… but from your comment at 2:35 I can tell you must not have shot with the Canon Eos R3. Because the new sensor in the R3 matches the dynamic range of the C70… which I also owned. The Eos R3 beats the both the Sony A7SIII and Canon R5C in dynamic range and Low light performance… it’s not even close. Check my channel for some footage and ISO testing.
Canon R5C! 1-Color - 2-8K 60p - 3-external power with a 45w power bank that can last for hours - 4- no IBIS because i'm mainly making videos professionally. Cheers
This debate is unnecessary I think. If we talk about the cinematic, we have to think about the codecs.....Sony FX3 sucks. I had it and that made me sell it... Canon is more professional in that sense. Lastly, the image quality... Sony is very digital, very clinical, Canon is much more cinematographic and organic. Finally, Sony's prices are insanely expensive...it's just a brand name.
Are all shots in this video done on both the R5c and siii? Or are some shots done on your Lumix S5? For example the shot at 6:17 with the deep blue sky? As much as I'd like to have either one of these cameras, just realizing I can buy an S5 body (they're on sale at BnH) at almost a 3rd of the price of 1 R5c! The lenses and other gear I could buy with the extra money saved... But, if you have that kind of money to spend then you can't go wrong with either the sony or the canon
That’s right, that shot was on the Lumix S5. I’m going to do a S5 vs R5c video for next week so stay tuned. Honestly, I’d still stick with the S5 🎥🤩 thanks for watching
@@SamHolland Thanks for the reply Sam! Great to know you'd still stick with the S5. I'm sure there'll be a different camera for you in the future but I am just amazed what you can get out of the S5 so that's what I'll go for most likely. Thanks for the great content!
I used to have the A7SIII, now I have R5C. Sometimes I miss the Sony, sometimes I am super happy with the Canon. Both of them can do amazing quality and almost any project is doable with either. What gave it off to me immediately was the difference in the stability as one of them has an IBIS and one of them doesnt and it shows in a test conducted like this.
Both great cameras with their own pros and cons. I prefer Canon for the colours and I'm familiar with how Canon cameras operate but it really just comes down to personal preferences.
Thanks for the video. For me, camera choice depends on use-case scenario. For run-and-gun documentary work, I still use the GH5 with micro four thirds glass, that's the lightest setup I have. For cinema work (fiction shorts, music videos, independent films), I currently use the Lumix S1. I'm sorely tempted by the Canon though, because - 1. RAW (8K 60P) [which is probably why they have that fan], 2. RF lenses / EF lens compatibility with EF-RF Variable ND adapter. I love IBIS for documentary work, but I never use it for fiction. Fiction clients still want me to rent an Alexa or Red. And for indie/smaller projects and as a discreet B-Roll Cam, R5 C is the perfect camera. Not to mention that its DSLR-esque look doesn't grab too many eyeballs when trying to shoot more discreetly. I like the Sony systems, but half my fiction clients would balk a the idea of not shooting RAW (and they really don't care about technical details of 10 bit vs 12 bit etc etc. The standard deliverable for the post studios is RAW). And again, RF mount with the EF-RF ND adapter is superb, since the cinema glass I can rent is mostly either PL or EF mount. And with the EF glass I essentially have a "built-in ND" solution with the adapter. E mount options in cinema glass do exist, but aren't available as easily yet. Thanks again for the video!
First ! LOL - Mushy Peas and that battery life .... thnaks for this one made me happy as my R3 and R6 are here to stay .... now back to making another video !
So many film/photo youtubers out there, but you seem like the most pleasant of them all, as in someone I'd enjoy grabbing a pint with even though I don't drink. Keep it up Sam :)
Good video. What do you recommend for a event videographer in between C70 and R5C? I also have R5 as a back up. Not sure what to purchase in between R5c, C70 and A7 Siii? I purchased R5C a week ago, but I feel the battery power is a minus. I have to rig it with external battery. So, not sure.
For events and weddings nothing can beat the C70. Nothing. Not even a RED camera. (I’ve used everything) Having internal ND, several audio profesional audio inputs, DGO sensor science. That camera has born to make events.
0:24 I much prefer the highlight roll off of the Sony (Camera A). That’s actually what makes the difference for me. The Canon has great IQ but still the highlights (especially on skin) are very harsh and contrasty.
In my experience it's quite easy to achieve good highlight rolloff for skin with Canon c-log 3 by correcting with curves instead of luts. Canon log to rec 709 luts tend to have too much contrast.
With these shots I figured Sony with strong vibrant green and Canon's lack of highlight roll offs. However color matched very close together! Well done!!
You can get any color on Most cameras these days as a colorist I've worked a lot with a7siii footages I don't get no color casts your mentioning, and it doesn't take that of a long time to get the colors right, you just have to know grading.
I’m so confused…the R5c should be the clear winner here, but can we go back to where you found the r5c footage to be “mushy”? The 8k or 8k oversampled 4K is mushy? I don’t get it.
This was a perfect review of the two. You're so right about Canon. They just can't seem to get it right in one body. IMO, the most important features for a camera used for video are 1) No overheating, or at least not after such a short time or in the sun. Many professionals shoot outdoors (events, weddings, etc.) and they can't afford to have the camera they're using for video or photos (or both) overheat. I won't buy any camera with this as its crutch. Canon should never have released the R5 and advertised it for 8k when it overheats after just 25 minutes of filming in 8k. What professional is going to feel confident using that? 1) Great autofocus. There's no excuse for poor autofocus these days. We need to rely on focus, especially if we're getting paid for our shoots (weddings, events, etc.). 3) Great IBIS. I realize that there are gimbals to use in the absence of great IBIS for video, but those are a pain: time to setup, batteries / charging to deal with, bigger, heavier, etc. Panasonic has VERY good IBIS, but unfortunately their autofocus is not reliable. 4) Long battery life - This is a must. I see so many people saying they add the large PD USB-C batteries to their setup, but that's just one more thing to attach to your gear - to make it heavier, bulkier. It just seems unnecessary. In 2022, and we shouldn't have to change a battery on a higher end camera after just an hour of shooting. Thanks for the review! (New subscriber. :))
The Sony A7SIII also overheats in direct sunlight so you can’t just hold Canon accountable for it. I own both systems my assistant shoots with the Sony and one time he came at me with the joke “I thought I was using your camera for a sec” showing me the overheating sign and I never expected to see that from a Sony camera. And I’m sorry but you can’t complain about battery life when it comes to the kind of technology we’re being spoiled with nowadays, it’s not like we can have the “2022 tech/features” at no extra power costs. The R5C has more pixels to work with, two operating systems installed/stored within the body, a ton of cine-features with algorithms that demand processing power, etc. It’s easy for us to demand it more battery life, but we have to be part of a camera R&D team of engineers to have an idea what is technically possible and whatnot. I mean, we all know there’s not just DSLRs/Mirrorless cameras in this world, there are also cinema cameras (actual cameras that most AAA movies gets shot with) and they have a huge brick 🧱 battery attached to it. They even mount an ARRI Alexa mini (also with a bricky battery) on a heavy duty gimbal (movi) or Arri’s own steadycam system that’s attached to one single human and they don’t complain carrying and operating dozens of pounds on their body to achieve some great footage. And IBIS/Focus tech on either the Sony or Canon cameras are heaps beyond what we used to have 6 years ago. Were weddings not possible to shoot on Canon DSLRs for example, 9 years ago just because “autofocus wasn’t good enough”? I feel like your comment portrays ungratefulness in a way… Almost as if you started shooting for the past 12 months with only recent equipment and that you’ve never felt the luxury we considered we had even 10 years ago. The tech of a decade ago was still incredible and a luxury at its time. The R5C is a monster of a camera for example and in Gerald Undone’s reviews for both it and the A7SIII, if you compare his Imatest DR results in each review, the R5C has better DR in most areas which is crazy for a Canon camera. And the R5C between iso100 - iso10.000 has better low light performance than it’s Sony counterpart (FX3), watch the R5C vs FX3 low-light test by a UA-camr called Josh.
For me its got to be the R5C. The UI and LED screen on canons just makes it such a joy to use, Yes the battery is a bit of a downer but then again this is more of an all round camera compare to the A7SIII and one definitely isn’t just going to buy the R5C to vlog. For anyone pro looking for a camera to just vlog, R5C isn’t it. I’m looking forward to getting a R5C because to me it is only camera from Canon at the moment that would solve the problems I have with the C70.
@@cr8withnate My problem with the C70 isn’t saying it is a bad camera. It’s just that in comparison the C70 is still relatively big and heavier to handle on camera support. Also it’s one to be heavy because of the build quality, the C70 as far as I could tell from almost all the users, the build quality is compromised because of the screen. Canon basically created a camera to fill the gap, making a truly small cinema grade camera in a tiny body. The R5C although doesn’t have the DGO sensor, the image quality still looks good enough (not demonstrates properly in this comparison) and managed to maintain the size / weight of a mirrorless. Also the built quality issue seem to have resolved. I would obviously have to confirm this myself once I get a R5C in my hands. But as far as I could tell from lots of research, it’s looking good here.
The Canon has more options as far as resolution/codecs but it seems like the a7siii still has much better dynamic range. You can especially tell in the vlogging test where the sun is hitting your face.
Definitely. Dynamic range isn’t everything but it’s a big piece. You definitely see it in the highlights. The Canons highlights are what get me. Too crunchy.
@@jordans.6769 Exactly, which makes me feel like it's not worth paying more just for 8k and raw, if the raw isn't going to even match Sony's compressed codecs.
@@jordans.6769 I think he filmed in c-log 3 on the r5c. If he had filmed in raw (c-log 2), the dynamic range would be similar to a7siii with the advantage of raw (more flexibility)
@@peterra2532 if the R5c supported Clog2 that may be true, but unfortunately it doesn’t. I know there are some sort of workarounds for this by transforming in post, but everything I’ve read from Canon is that there is no dynamic range advantage to this. My understanding is that The R5c sensor doesn’t have enough DR to take advantage of the Clog2 gamma, however I don’t have one so I haven’t tested it myself.
@@jordans.6769 I had the R5 and now the R3 + the a7siii, I can tell you that there is a difference between clog3 and raw (clog 2). The R3 is not as good as the c70 but near when film in raw, and it’s similar (or maybe slightly better) to the s-log 3 on the a7sIII. Now I’m trying to sell my a7siii to buy the r5c
I like the R5C, have had one for a week and a half and had a chance to use it in a few different situations, once using it as a stationary cam on auto ISO to film a dance with wide ranging lighting conditions throughout the show, next for a traditional interview set up. For the dance, it performed great, read the changing lights perfectly, and the colors and sharpness of the image was superb. It's great that it has the cinema menu, which offers a lot more fine tuning than R6 which I also have. The battery life is definitely the biggest concern as it only lasted about 60-65 mins with a full charge running 1080, but am in process of getting an external power source which hopefully solves the problem. Never liked Sony colors, they've definitely gotten better over the years, but it still feels like it's got a look whereas Canon just seems like vibrant rendition of the colors you see.
Been using a Canon 70D for years, and I didn't know the footage on the right was from the R5 C at the beginning. But I gravitated towards it because the footage on the left looked like there was an unnecessary layer of gray over it. As though the color was a little washed out. Have two lenses with my DSLR that can be used on the R5 C along with an adapter. Would love to get my hands on the R5 C someday.
Finally got to use it on an interview shoot, and wow footage looks beautiful. Not sure how to put it into words but it just looks like higher quality image than R6. I've also used C70 and I think this blows that camera away image wise.
Open up a little bit, I used to be a canon fanboy then I tried sony and I liked it more but then I tried black magic now i like it even more than anything else
@@leaf1227 I’m not totally closed to other brands… I had the A7iii when it came out and did not like it at all… so I switched back to Canon… honestly they’re all good, I personally find canon the most enjoyable experience
I think spec wise the R5C is the clear winner, but as an owner of the Sony A7siii since launch, its never let me down as has been the most versatile camera I've owned. I've used the R5 many of times during these last 2 years and it is amazing camera but it has many concerning faults that I would not trust on production day. R5C fixes everything and thats great! Honestly, both cameras are amazing and it just depends on what each user needs! At the end of the day, it what you create that matters!
You left out the big one. Canon is 8K 60 so it needs a fan and the canon always over samples the 4K from the 8K so it is probably processor intensive and generates a lot of heat. As far as reguarding the fan. I also heard stories of the sony overheating in 4k60 or 4k120. That is why they also have the fx3 with a fan.
Thanks for sharing. I literally cannot make up my mind. I seem to sway between the Canon R5 and the Sony a7S3 with every video review I watch:-) The R5c like you say, seems to solve one problem and create another.
In the comparison shot, are you using standard 4K on the canon, or oversampled from 8K? I wonder if the Canon has an ace up it's sleve with that 8K oversample, or If even that doesn't compare to the Sony 4K.
Hello Sam , great video , to busy with my work . The Canon RC5 is great camera , the quality of the picture, the stabilization , video.......... but the only big problem is the battery for the canon . I think the 2 camera are very good . Great video thank you for sharing , big like 659 .
I don’t agree about lens choice. Plus RF mount is a better system. And this is coming from someone who went with a C70 last year but wish I went with Sony. Now I wish I waited for r5c for the image stabilization.
@@limitedhangoutlive 1. R5c has no stabilization, 2. There are not as many lenses on RF, that is a simple fact. You can adapt EF, but then the front heaviness is even worse. Some RF lenses are great, but then they are very expensive.
Yesss I guessed that Camera B was the R5C haha. Been waiting for this one man. Glad you touched on the battery life on it - I imagine the fan has a lot to do with draining the battery faster. Get it together, Canon 🤦🏿♂️
Nice one man! It’s deffo got that “canon” look about it. Stay tuned for more on the R5C. Loads of interestingness around this awesome camera. Thanks for watching brother! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Cam B was my fave and I was hoping it was the R5C because that's MY CAMERA! But there were also a few that were a draw. But my guess was Cam B was the Canon because of the AUTOFOCUS which overall I found superior. I also thought Cam B was Canon from the COLOR of the very first shot - but again, wasn't sure some times.
Yeah, a buddy of mine who has been recently using the R5C said that today he got just 22 mins on a battery. So basically, Canon has made a pocket 6K with autofocus.
He probably used the E6 battery and not the E6NH. There is a big difference - I discovered. I've only had to change battery once on any shoot thus far with 4K (on 4 hour shoots or so).
I wonder how Sony turned up sharper in your tests while canon is down sampling from 8K to 4K That’s weird!! Unless canon is not processing it right Any ideas guys ?
That stood out to me too... I picked the Sony footage thinking it was the Canon due to how sharp it was. The A7iv 7k downsample is noticeably sharper than the A7s3 and the standard R5 8k downsample is sharper too. I wonder how they got such as soft image in this test.
To be fair all cameras have a "cripple hammer" its just Canon for some reason gets stereotyped with it. I remember Sony had overheating issues with their first several mirrorless cameras and their battery life was terrible too . GH4/GH5 had horrible autofocus, BMPCC 4k/6K has no autofocus, ibis and battery life is bad, Fuji also has overheating issues and terrible battery life
I think the "cripple hammer" moniker specifically has to do with Canon Purposefully limiting the camera when it doesn't make sense to and the camera could perform better if it wasn't held back.
@@BrandonTalbot almost like when Sony didn't include picture profile in the A9 or don't update firmware of the A1 and A7s3 with software features they added to the A9? They all do it.
Sony had it and fixed the issue. Thats the problem with canon like he said in the video. Fix one thing and add another problem. What issues do any of those brands have outside of bm not having af? Cause they dont do AF for their cams
Seems a little biased. Why fan on Canon and not Sony(low megapixels) because Canon is a 8k sensor (high megapixels) and it is more work to oversample it to 4k. The R5c is a true hybrid best at both stills and video. The R5 is a photo centric hybrid, better at stills, ok at video. The A7s3 is a video centric hybrid better at video but mediocre at stills(low megapixels). This video should be called comparing the 4k of both, that's basically what you did. Definitely not a fair comparison of overall video options, capabilities etc.
Thanks for the video, Sam. Great comparison! I think the blue tint you mentioned for the Sony is a reflection of the blue sky? Hmm... it's interesting to see that doesn't show on the R5 C though.
Hi. Thank you for watching. I think it’s more to do with the lenses. I noticed it on the S5 comparison I did too. Swapping lenses out makes a huge difference. 🤩🎥🙏🏻
I own a Canon R5C (replacing my R5). If I weren’t a Canon fanboy and didn’t need a strong true hybrid I’d certainly grab the A7S3. 😘 It’s really amazing how far things have come in the last 10 years. Great time to be alive.
I think the 45mp is a big deal for hybrid. 12mp is cool for jobs that need quick images or hybrid bts shooting but portraits and events, sometimes cropping even 24mp with my r3 is a bit troublesome to me . Maybe the client cant tell the difference though.
I get 3 hours of battery life with my R5c on the most taxing mode. (4k60 xf-avc). I mount a nano one 50wh battery. Also hot swappable since you can keep the internal battery in the camera. It uses the v mount first.
all I want from a camera is unlimited internal raw recording (that isn't prores), outstanding low light performance, the option to shoot uncompressed, and amazing smooth autofocus
My priorities are resolution, fps and unlimited recording in that highest resolution, fps and bitrate. Thats why for me the R5C comes clearly before the R5 (30 min limit), A7s (4k only) and the S5 (recording limits in 10 bit and crop in 4k over 30p). I use the camera mainly to record concerts of myself and I can have a picture of the complete orchestra and still a sharp image when zooming in on me. Its just perfect!
@@faisalghiar but unfortunately still has a recording limit for whatever reason… I was shortly looking into the Z9 before ordering the R5C but the 2h recording limit is not enough for my concerts and there are a lot of video codec options missing (e.g. 8k hevc 10 bit 4:2:0, which I want to use for recordings up to 5 hours on my 2TB Angelbird). The N-RAW is nice, but doesn’t work with Premiere and Final Cut for now and there is no ProRes RAW 8k (and even if there were, the file sizes would be impossible). The AF in Video and Photo is also basically the same, so no logarithmic focus curves, face only AF and so on… But most importantly for me: I need an 85 1.2! I shoot 90% of my stills with that lens and the Nikon one is just not coming out… so no, for me the Nikon package is way worse than the Canon offering :/
@@Sleeping_coder If you are any bit serious about video you have at least a cage anyway and therefore mounting a battery is really no problem. I have the smallrig cage for the R5C with the Shinobi on top and the FXLion Nano Two to the side. The one battery can power the monitor and the camera for 6h, so really no problem. I would have done this solution for the monitor anyway, since it is very top heavy with the Sony batteries mounted directly to it. The battery life in the R5C really is a non-issue if you are any bit serious about video, since you always use some kind of external battery on your rig. I also have the battery grip for photography and when I switch to video mode, I can do 75 minutes in 8k30, so really no problem :)
I am interested in the R5 for the same priorities (high resolution then fps) - but if the A7 is producing a sharper image, as they claim in the video, isn't that defeating the whole purpose of the higher resolution on the Canon ? (I'm a bit new to this, so please excuse me if the question is naive)
I had both and A7SIII just feels like a complete camera without much problems. R5c on the other hand seems lacking on the practical side and doesn't offer any advantage color wise.
Couldn’t have said it any better. Sony with the better dynamic range, canon with the better colors. I also agree that canon has way better colors on camera screen compared to Sony and that’s kinda huge since you’d want to see what you record. Overall both cameras are 🔥. Btw love how the canon r5c with Rf lens loooks!
I have been wanting to get the R5C for a while now, but not only do they have a $1000 difference MSRP, but now the A7S III is going on sale $1000 less bringing it to nearly half the price. It's a hard decision. I generally get Canon for my ecosystem now, but I have no full frame glass, so either way I have to start at square one with this upgrade.
if they're going to making bigger just put the NDs inside too. That would seal the deal for many. AND sony does have massive edge on lens options but i def like the canon color and less sharp. I'm deep in sony now but i'd prob go canon if i just started out. hopefully sony can tweak the color issue.
The Canon R5C is $1,000 more than the A7Siii. That's where my consideration starts from. The word on Canon files is that they are harder to work with in post. Is that still true?
0:28- check your face. once you see that effect, you would never want to use the Sony. There's something weird going on there in the darker areas. Perhaps a denoiser? Why Canon needs a fan: it resamples 8k. The R5 is actually sharper, has more detail, despite what the video suggest. (or the R5c has a softer image than the R5)
I guessed correctly because the skin tones are still slightly off from one another. Sony's, even to this day, still have a slight...almost tan like quality to the skin tone while Canon's still have a bit more natural look to them. Sony has come a long way in their colors though.
I them right on the first clip itself. Having used them both, For me, highlight rolloff is the give away. If R5C had the highlight roll off of a7siii or better yet something like blackmagic, that's would be a dream camera even with quirks like micro hdmi and short battery life. I can live with those but not with harsher highlight rolloff.
The battery life is not at all as rumored - I geared up for it to be terrible and it was anti-climatic. I've only had to change battery once on any shoot thus far with 4K (on 4 hour shoots or so). Key is to use the batteries it says to use - E6NH and not the E6. Big difference.
I always notice that the sky always exposes better with the a7s3. I’ve got the R6 and love it but there is just something about the Sony’s that look good to me!
I think he filmed in c-log 3 on the r5c. C-log 3 is easy to grade but mot the best dynamic range. If he had filmed in raw (c-log 2) on r5c, the dynamic range would be similar to a7siii with the advantage of raw (more flexibility). I have the R3 and a7siii, Raw (c-log 2) on R3 is better than s-log 3 on a7siii for me.
Your asking why Canon can't make an 8K video camera without a fan when Sony's A7III is? Is that the question because the A7III is only a 4K camera which every cell phone and most point and shoot cameras can do. The question would be valid concerning the R6 which is only 4K but the R5C has a lot more powerful stuff in it than the A7III.
I got the new R5c from running an R (attached with the Atomos) for production. And I got to say I absolutely HATE the battery life on my R5c. Its anxiety inducing and the IQ I really don't find to be that much more mind blowing then my Rs 10bit footage. Seriously considering selling it.
@@presise1620 the R was incredible IF paired with the Ninja V and I pair it now with the R5c as the B-cams. In a controlled setting its hard to tell much difference. Outside in run and gun the R5c and C70 blows the R away for DR. But the battery on the R5c is so bad.
@@presise1620I do a lot of editing with multiple cameras from our DPs and yeah the R is a bit soft, ESPECIALLY vs the Sony A7Siii which is incredibly sharp, even the A7III's 4k is much sharper. R5c is better for IQ and sharpness but IMHO the sony is still sharper and has a bit more DR. Both the R5c and A7Siii are pretty easy to color grade though.
I’m a Canon person but I preferred the Sony, but not so much that I’d switch. I wish Canon had better low light. I might buy a second hand Sony just for that.
What would make ‘me’ want to pick up a camera and film more would be if they had a tilt screen option and not the damn, ubiquitous side hinged sticky out screen.
The dead giveaway with Canon R5/R5C is the highlight recovery or lack thereof rather. The blown out clouds gave it away to me. In regards to the Sony and color science, it's the luminance in skintones that are usually duller than Canon which makes them less pleasing imo.
shot on both ...both are great but the color and image is more of requirement for me. I learn towards more on the canon side. I use the ankers battery pack for weddings and get 7hours with it. I can deal with the battery issue.
Which is your favourite??? and why
Canon but just because I have my Canons the Sony and the Lumix are both great as well !
Sony A7Siii, reason….ermm I’m a Sony Fanboy 😢
I owned both the A7S3 and the R5… which is essentially the same image as the R5C. I do agree that the Sony has better dynamic range… but from your comment at 2:35 I can tell you must not have shot with the Canon Eos R3. Because the new sensor in the R3 matches the dynamic range of the C70… which I also owned. The Eos R3 beats the both the Sony A7SIII and Canon R5C in dynamic range and Low light performance… it’s not even close. Check my channel for some footage and ISO testing.
@@angryrabbitproductions1690 I have the R3 and R6 love them to bits but this statement makes me love them even more !
Canon R5C! 1-Color - 2-8K 60p - 3-external power with a 45w power bank that can last for hours - 4- no IBIS because i'm mainly making videos professionally. Cheers
This debate is unnecessary I think. If we talk about the cinematic, we have to think about the codecs.....Sony FX3 sucks. I had it and that made me sell it... Canon is more professional in that sense. Lastly, the image quality... Sony is very digital, very clinical, Canon is much more cinematographic and organic. Finally, Sony's prices are insanely expensive...it's just a brand name.
I have watched a lot of videos comparing Sony and Canon R5C. This is the most professional and best color sharing video I have ever seen.🥰
Are all shots in this video done on both the R5c and siii? Or are some shots done on your Lumix S5? For example the shot at 6:17 with the deep blue sky? As much as I'd like to have either one of these cameras, just realizing I can buy an S5 body (they're on sale at BnH) at almost a 3rd of the price of 1 R5c! The lenses and other gear I could buy with the extra money saved... But, if you have that kind of money to spend then you can't go wrong with either the sony or the canon
That’s right, that shot was on the Lumix S5. I’m going to do a S5 vs R5c video for next week so stay tuned. Honestly, I’d still stick with the S5 🎥🤩 thanks for watching
@@SamHolland Thanks for the reply Sam! Great to know you'd still stick with the S5. I'm sure there'll be a different camera for you in the future but I am just amazed what you can get out of the S5 so that's what I'll go for most likely. Thanks for the great content!
My pleasure! 🙏🏻 yeah it’s amazing! Couple of things I’d like to see improvements wise but the image is the best I’ve seen personally. Thank YOU! 🙏🏻🎥
The image on the left has so much depth and dare i say…“cinematic thickness“ to it…like an inherent glow or something…really dig it
I used to have the A7SIII, now I have R5C. Sometimes I miss the Sony, sometimes I am super happy with the Canon. Both of them can do amazing quality and almost any project is doable with either. What gave it off to me immediately was the difference in the stability as one of them has an IBIS and one of them doesnt and it shows in a test conducted like this.
Both great cameras with their own pros and cons. I prefer Canon for the colours and I'm familiar with how Canon cameras operate but it really just comes down to personal preferences.
I got it right from the first shot alone! And I preferred the Canon.
I liked the look of Camera B a lot and the R5C has been the camera I've been considering purchasing. Beautiful images by the way!
Thank you 🤩🙏🏻 let us know what you decide 🎥
Thanks for the video. For me, camera choice depends on use-case scenario. For run-and-gun documentary work, I still use the GH5 with micro four thirds glass, that's the lightest setup I have. For cinema work (fiction shorts, music videos, independent films), I currently use the Lumix S1. I'm sorely tempted by the Canon though, because - 1. RAW (8K 60P) [which is probably why they have that fan], 2. RF lenses / EF lens compatibility with EF-RF Variable ND adapter. I love IBIS for documentary work, but I never use it for fiction. Fiction clients still want me to rent an Alexa or Red. And for indie/smaller projects and as a discreet B-Roll Cam, R5 C is the perfect camera. Not to mention that its DSLR-esque look doesn't grab too many eyeballs when trying to shoot more discreetly. I like the Sony systems, but half my fiction clients would balk a the idea of not shooting RAW (and they really don't care about technical details of 10 bit vs 12 bit etc etc. The standard deliverable for the post studios is RAW).
And again, RF mount with the EF-RF ND adapter is superb, since the cinema glass I can rent is mostly either PL or EF mount. And with the EF glass I essentially have a "built-in ND" solution with the adapter. E mount options in cinema glass do exist, but aren't available as easily yet. Thanks again for the video!
Agreed. I use an S1H for doc and corporate and the A7S iii for fashion because super sharp and autofocus
First ! LOL - Mushy Peas and that battery life .... thnaks for this one made me happy as my R3 and R6 are here to stay .... now back to making another video !
That was quick!!! :D
That’s good news then eh. Stay tuned for more though as there’s lots to learn about this great camera 🤩 thanks for watching 🙏🏻🎥
@@SamHolland I get told that all the time 😁😁
So many film/photo youtubers out there, but you seem like the most pleasant of them all, as in someone I'd enjoy grabbing a pint with even though I don't drink. Keep it up Sam :)
Thanks Avi! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Good video. What do you recommend for a event videographer in between C70 and R5C? I also have R5 as a back up. Not sure what to purchase in between R5c, C70 and A7 Siii? I purchased R5C a week ago, but I feel the battery power is a minus. I have to rig it with external battery. So, not sure.
For events and weddings nothing can beat the C70. Nothing. Not even a RED camera. (I’ve used everything)
Having internal ND, several audio profesional audio inputs, DGO sensor science. That camera has born to make events.
0:24 I much prefer the highlight roll off of the Sony (Camera A). That’s actually what makes the difference for me. The Canon has great IQ but still the highlights (especially on skin) are very harsh and contrasty.
Canon has less latitude, "thanks" also to his gamma curve.. in this case exposing means to chose where you want to cover with a short blanket. :)
In my experience it's quite easy to achieve good highlight rolloff for skin with Canon c-log 3 by correcting with curves instead of luts. Canon log to rec 709 luts tend to have too much contrast.
With these shots I figured Sony with strong vibrant green and Canon's lack of highlight roll offs. However color matched very close together! Well done!!
Thanks James! 🙏🏻🤩🎥
You can get any color on Most cameras these days as a colorist I've worked a lot with a7siii footages I don't get no color casts your mentioning, and it doesn't take that of a long time to get the colors right, you just have to know grading.
I’m so confused…the R5c should be the clear winner here, but can we go back to where you found the r5c footage to be “mushy”? The 8k or 8k oversampled 4K is mushy? I don’t get it.
This was a perfect review of the two. You're so right about Canon. They just can't seem to get it right in one body. IMO, the most important features for a camera used for video are 1) No overheating, or at least not after such a short time or in the sun. Many professionals shoot outdoors (events, weddings, etc.) and they can't afford to have the camera they're using for video or photos (or both) overheat. I won't buy any camera with this as its crutch. Canon should never have released the R5 and advertised it for 8k when it overheats after just 25 minutes of filming in 8k. What professional is going to feel confident using that? 1) Great autofocus. There's no excuse for poor autofocus these days. We need to rely on focus, especially if we're getting paid for our shoots (weddings, events, etc.). 3) Great IBIS. I realize that there are gimbals to use in the absence of great IBIS for video, but those are a pain: time to setup, batteries / charging to deal with, bigger, heavier, etc. Panasonic has VERY good IBIS, but unfortunately their autofocus is not reliable. 4) Long battery life - This is a must. I see so many people saying they add the large PD USB-C batteries to their setup, but that's just one more thing to attach to your gear - to make it heavier, bulkier. It just seems unnecessary. In 2022, and we shouldn't have to change a battery on a higher end camera after just an hour of shooting.
Thanks for the review! (New subscriber. :))
The R5 does not overheat anymore.
The Sony A7SIII also overheats in direct sunlight so you can’t just hold Canon accountable for it. I own both systems my assistant shoots with the Sony and one time he came at me with the joke “I thought I was using your camera for a sec” showing me the overheating sign and I never expected to see that from a Sony camera.
And I’m sorry but you can’t complain about battery life when it comes to the kind of technology we’re being spoiled with nowadays, it’s not like we can have the “2022 tech/features” at no extra power costs. The R5C has more pixels to work with, two operating systems installed/stored within the body, a ton of cine-features with algorithms that demand processing power, etc.
It’s easy for us to demand it more battery life, but we have to be part of a camera R&D team of engineers to have an idea what is technically possible and whatnot.
I mean, we all know there’s not just DSLRs/Mirrorless cameras in this world, there are also cinema cameras (actual cameras that most AAA movies gets shot with) and they have a huge brick 🧱 battery attached to it. They even mount an ARRI Alexa mini (also with a bricky battery) on a heavy duty gimbal (movi) or Arri’s own steadycam system that’s attached to one single human and they don’t complain carrying and operating dozens of pounds on their body to achieve some great footage.
And IBIS/Focus tech on either the Sony or Canon cameras are heaps beyond what we used to have 6 years ago. Were weddings not possible to shoot on Canon DSLRs for example, 9 years ago just because “autofocus wasn’t good enough”?
I feel like your comment portrays ungratefulness in a way… Almost as if you started shooting for the past 12 months with only recent equipment and that you’ve never felt the luxury we considered we had even 10 years ago. The tech of a decade ago was still incredible and a luxury at its time.
The R5C is a monster of a camera for example and in Gerald Undone’s reviews for both it and the A7SIII, if you compare his Imatest DR results in each review, the R5C has better DR in most areas which is crazy for a Canon camera. And the R5C between iso100 - iso10.000 has better low light performance than it’s Sony counterpart (FX3), watch the R5C vs FX3 low-light test by a UA-camr called Josh.
@@costinvaly1 Two words : Nikon Z9
For me its got to be the R5C. The UI and LED screen on canons just makes it such a joy to use, Yes the battery is a bit of a downer but then again this is more of an all round camera compare to the A7SIII and one definitely isn’t just going to buy the R5C to vlog. For anyone pro looking for a camera to just vlog, R5C isn’t it. I’m looking forward to getting a R5C because to me it is only camera from Canon at the moment that would solve the problems I have with the C70.
What are your problems you have with the C70?
@@cr8withnate My problem with the C70 isn’t saying it is a bad camera. It’s just that in comparison the C70 is still relatively big and heavier to handle on camera support. Also it’s one to be heavy because of the build quality, the C70 as far as I could tell from almost all the users, the build quality is compromised because of the screen. Canon basically created a camera to fill the gap, making a truly small cinema grade camera in a tiny body. The R5C although doesn’t have the DGO sensor, the image quality still looks good enough (not demonstrates properly in this comparison) and managed to maintain the size / weight of a mirrorless. Also the built quality issue seem to have resolved. I would obviously have to confirm this myself once I get a R5C in my hands. But as far as I could tell from lots of research, it’s looking good here.
If you want the best image quality go for a Panasonic. These two in the video are for auto focus addicts.
And what model of camera? (only RAW and 4K 120 fps). If there is no autofocus, black magic always wins!
The Canon has more options as far as resolution/codecs but it seems like the a7siii still has much better dynamic range. You can especially tell in the vlogging test where the sun is hitting your face.
Definitely. Dynamic range isn’t everything but it’s a big piece. You definitely see it in the highlights. The Canons highlights are what get me. Too crunchy.
@@jordans.6769 Exactly, which makes me feel like it's not worth paying more just for 8k and raw, if the raw isn't going to even match Sony's compressed codecs.
@@jordans.6769 I think he filmed in c-log 3 on the r5c. If he had filmed in raw (c-log 2), the dynamic range would be similar to a7siii with the advantage of raw (more flexibility)
@@peterra2532 if the R5c supported Clog2 that may be true, but unfortunately it doesn’t. I know there are some sort of workarounds for this by transforming in post, but everything I’ve read from Canon is that there is no dynamic range advantage to this. My understanding is that The R5c sensor doesn’t have enough DR to take advantage of the Clog2 gamma, however I don’t have one so I haven’t tested it myself.
@@jordans.6769 I had the R5 and now the R3 + the a7siii, I can tell you that there is a difference between clog3 and raw (clog 2). The R3 is not as good as the c70 but near when film in raw, and it’s similar (or maybe slightly better) to the s-log 3 on the a7sIII.
Now I’m trying to sell my a7siii to buy the r5c
Canon seemed to have a better image in darker shadows whereas the Sony had better highlight rolloff. I would say the DR looked the same.
I like the R5C, have had one for a week and a half and had a chance to use it in a few different situations, once using it as a stationary cam on auto ISO to film a dance with wide ranging lighting conditions throughout the show, next for a traditional interview set up. For the dance, it performed great, read the changing lights perfectly, and the colors and sharpness of the image was superb. It's great that it has the cinema menu, which offers a lot more fine tuning than R6 which I also have. The battery life is definitely the biggest concern as it only lasted about 60-65 mins with a full charge running 1080, but am in process of getting an external power source which hopefully solves the problem. Never liked Sony colors, they've definitely gotten better over the years, but it still feels like it's got a look whereas Canon just seems like vibrant rendition of the colors you see.
Thanks Bob! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Been using a Canon 70D for years, and I didn't know the footage on the right was from the R5 C at the beginning. But I gravitated towards it because the footage on the left looked like there was an unnecessary layer of gray over it. As though the color was a little washed out.
Have two lenses with my DSLR that can be used on the R5 C along with an adapter. Would love to get my hands on the R5 C someday.
Finally got to use it on an interview shoot, and wow footage looks beautiful. Not sure how to put it into words but it just looks like higher quality image than R6. I've also used C70 and I think this blows that camera away image wise.
The Canon for sure … cuz I’m a fan boy and like their stuff… but in all honesty I prefer a softer look and always found canon easier to color grade.
Yeah. Anything looks good with Canon 🤩🙏🏻👌🏻🎥 thanks brother
Open up a little bit, I used to be a canon fanboy then I tried sony and I liked it more but then I tried black magic now i like it even more than anything else
@@leaf1227 I’m not totally closed to other brands… I had the A7iii when it came out and did not like it at all… so I switched back to Canon… honestly they’re all good, I personally find canon the most enjoyable experience
@@RobNovoadamn really? What did you not like about the a7iii, what were you comparing it to and using it for?
I could tell because the lack of Ibis made camera b footage more wobbly
I think spec wise the R5C is the clear winner, but as an owner of the Sony A7siii since launch, its never let me down as has been the most versatile camera I've owned. I've used the R5 many of times during these last 2 years and it is amazing camera but it has many concerning faults that I would not trust on production day. R5C fixes everything and thats great! Honestly, both cameras are amazing and it just depends on what each user needs! At the end of the day, it what you create that matters!
also, slight critique, I hope you didnt compare the R5C with a L lens and the Sony A7siii with the nifty 50 1.8...
How long do you think the canon r5 will be relevant
You left out the big one. Canon is 8K 60 so it needs a fan and the canon always over samples the 4K from the 8K so it is probably processor intensive and generates a lot of heat. As far as reguarding the fan. I also heard stories of the sony overheating in 4k60 or 4k120. That is why they also have the fx3 with a fan.
Yes but it can be avoided by shooting with a Ninja V.
Thanks for sharing. I literally cannot make up my mind. I seem to sway between the Canon R5 and the Sony a7S3 with every video review I watch:-) The R5c like you say, seems to solve one problem and create another.
In the comparison shot, are you using standard 4K on the canon, or oversampled from 8K? I wonder if the Canon has an ace up it's sleve with that 8K oversample, or If even that doesn't compare to the Sony 4K.
Hello Sam , great video , to busy with my work . The Canon RC5 is great camera , the quality of the picture, the stabilization , video.......... but the only big problem is the battery for the canon . I think the 2 camera are very good . Great video thank you for sharing , big like 659 .
Make sure to turn airplane mode on when not using wifi
Ease of editing and color
And then the ability to shoot 8K Raw is great option
R5c is great for me
Lens choice and price gives the edge to Sony. The others are close enough. R5c can do 8k, better color, control etc. but I am sticking with a7iv.
I don’t agree about lens choice. Plus RF mount is a better system.
And this is coming from someone who went with a C70 last year but wish I went with Sony. Now I wish I waited for r5c for the image stabilization.
@@limitedhangoutlive 1. R5c has no stabilization, 2. There are not as many lenses on RF, that is a simple fact. You can adapt EF, but then the front heaviness is even worse. Some RF lenses are great, but then they are very expensive.
Yesss I guessed that Camera B was the R5C haha. Been waiting for this one man. Glad you touched on the battery life on it - I imagine the fan has a lot to do with draining the battery faster. Get it together, Canon 🤦🏿♂️
Nice one man! It’s deffo got that “canon” look about it. Stay tuned for more on the R5C. Loads of interestingness around this awesome camera. Thanks for watching brother! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Thanks for your reviewing 😉 it's important frame rates for me.
Cam B was my fave and I was hoping it was the R5C because that's MY CAMERA! But there were also a few that were a draw. But my guess was Cam B was the Canon because of the AUTOFOCUS which overall I found superior. I also thought Cam B was Canon from the COLOR of the very first shot - but again, wasn't sure some times.
Which of the two would you keep and why Sam? Great vid!
Oooo that’s a tough one. Probably the Canon. BUT S5 all day long over both of these. Stay tuned for that video 🤩🙏🏻 thanks for watching 🎥
shutter angle is important as well and the Sony doesn't have that. Over sampling from 8K too..
Yeah, a buddy of mine who has been recently using the R5C said that today he got just 22 mins on a battery. So basically, Canon has made a pocket 6K with autofocus.
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He probably used the E6 battery and not the E6NH. There is a big difference - I discovered. I've only had to change battery once on any shoot thus far with 4K (on 4 hour shoots or so).
I wonder how Sony turned up sharper in your tests while canon is down sampling from 8K to 4K
That’s weird!! Unless canon is not processing it right
Any ideas guys ?
That stood out to me too... I picked the Sony footage thinking it was the Canon due to how sharp it was. The A7iv 7k downsample is noticeably sharper than the A7s3 and the standard R5 8k downsample is sharper too. I wonder how they got such as soft image in this test.
Arguably the 4k oversampled was not on.
Yes, this test saw the Canon sharper, am I the only one who thinks so?
To be fair all cameras have a "cripple hammer" its just Canon for some reason gets stereotyped with it. I remember Sony had overheating issues with their first several mirrorless cameras and their battery life was terrible too . GH4/GH5 had horrible autofocus, BMPCC 4k/6K has no autofocus, ibis and battery life is bad, Fuji also has overheating issues and terrible battery life
Very true! 🤩🎥🙏🏻
I think the "cripple hammer" moniker specifically has to do with Canon Purposefully limiting the camera when it doesn't make sense to and the camera could perform better if it wasn't held back.
@@BrandonTalbot almost like when Sony didn't include picture profile in the A9 or don't update firmware of the A1 and A7s3 with software features they added to the A9? They all do it.
@@howardtownsend2574 I know they all do it, was just explaining the difference between the term, “cripple hammer” and performance shortcomings
Sony had it and fixed the issue. Thats the problem with canon like he said in the video. Fix one thing and add another problem. What issues do any of those brands have outside of bm not having af? Cause they dont do AF for their cams
Seems a little biased. Why fan on Canon and not Sony(low megapixels) because Canon is a 8k sensor (high megapixels) and it is more work to oversample it to 4k. The R5c is a true hybrid best at both stills and video. The R5 is a photo centric hybrid, better at stills, ok at video. The A7s3 is a video centric hybrid better at video but mediocre at stills(low megapixels). This video should be called comparing the 4k of both, that's basically what you did. Definitely not a fair comparison of overall video options, capabilities etc.
Great video. Entertaining. Great information. No faf. Thank you 🙏
Thank YOU! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Thanks for the video, Sam. Great comparison! I think the blue tint you mentioned for the Sony is a reflection of the blue sky? Hmm... it's interesting to see that doesn't show on the R5 C though.
Hi. Thank you for watching. I think it’s more to do with the lenses. I noticed it on the S5 comparison I did too. Swapping lenses out makes a huge difference. 🤩🎥🙏🏻
You made a stereo video, but the cameras aren't well matched or synced.
I own a Canon R5C (replacing my R5). If I weren’t a Canon fanboy and didn’t need a strong true hybrid I’d certainly grab the A7S3. 😘 It’s really amazing how far things have come in the last 10 years. Great time to be alive.
@Eric Dodson yeah man hope it all works out for you!
I think the 45mp is a big deal for hybrid. 12mp is cool for jobs that need quick images or hybrid bts shooting but portraits and events, sometimes cropping even 24mp with my r3 is a bit troublesome to me . Maybe the client cant tell the difference though.
Aside from the world going to complete shit, yes technology wise it is good to be alive.
sony trash
nothing to help with the no ibis?
Excellent review. Thanks!
Thank you 🙏🏻🎥
I get 3 hours of battery life with my R5c on the most taxing mode. (4k60 xf-avc). I mount a nano one 50wh battery. Also hot swappable since you can keep the internal battery in the camera. It uses the v mount first.
Great idea!
@@SamHolland what codec and frame rate were you shooting in with the R5C?
No one craves Sony color.
Solid review mate! 🔥🔥
Thank you! 🙏🏻🤩🎥
Going by the colour I’m guessing B is canon
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The B is the Canon, the stab is better...100% sure...but I love both...both are a good choice!! If I have to sell one...really I don't know...headache
Great comparison review. I’d really like to see a 4K 120p comparison between these two cameras.
Thank you 🙏🏻🎥🤩
all I want from a camera is unlimited internal raw recording (that isn't prores), outstanding low light performance, the option to shoot uncompressed, and amazing smooth autofocus
Have you ever done a break down of the cages and rigs you use? Specifically for the R5C?
Hi. No I haven’t done one on this camera but I’m currently working on a setup video for this camera 🙏🏻🎥
Sam, great Video!... well the Canon needs a fan because it's a 8k camera, 45mp, while the Sony it's a 14mp camera...
Thank you! 🙏🏻🤩🎥
Is the R5C weatherproof or do the vents make it less weatherproof then the R5?
My priorities are resolution, fps and unlimited recording in that highest resolution, fps and bitrate. Thats why for me the R5C comes clearly before the R5 (30 min limit), A7s (4k only) and the S5 (recording limits in 10 bit and crop in 4k over 30p). I use the camera mainly to record concerts of myself and I can have a picture of the complete orchestra and still a sharp image when zooming in on me. Its just perfect!
Nikon Z9 beats them all and has it all
@@faisalghiar but unfortunately still has a recording limit for whatever reason… I was shortly looking into the Z9 before ordering the R5C but the 2h recording limit is not enough for my concerts and there are a lot of video codec options missing (e.g. 8k hevc 10 bit 4:2:0, which I want to use for recordings up to 5 hours on my 2TB Angelbird). The N-RAW is nice, but doesn’t work with Premiere and Final Cut for now and there is no ProRes RAW 8k (and even if there were, the file sizes would be impossible). The AF in Video and Photo is also basically the same, so no logarithmic focus curves, face only AF and so on… But most importantly for me: I need an 85 1.2! I shoot 90% of my stills with that lens and the Nikon one is just not coming out… so no, for me the Nikon package is way worse than the Canon offering :/
Time limit should not be a problem because in canon you'll have to change batteries every 40 mins or else you can use a battery bank
@@Sleeping_coder If you are any bit serious about video you have at least a cage anyway and therefore mounting a battery is really no problem. I have the smallrig cage for the R5C with the Shinobi on top and the FXLion Nano Two to the side. The one battery can power the monitor and the camera for 6h, so really no problem. I would have done this solution for the monitor anyway, since it is very top heavy with the Sony batteries mounted directly to it. The battery life in the R5C really is a non-issue if you are any bit serious about video, since you always use some kind of external battery on your rig. I also have the battery grip for photography and when I switch to video mode, I can do 75 minutes in 8k30, so really no problem :)
I am interested in the R5 for the same priorities (high resolution then fps) - but if the A7 is producing a sharper image, as they claim in the video, isn't that defeating the whole purpose of the higher resolution on the Canon ? (I'm a bit new to this, so please excuse me if the question is naive)
I had both and A7SIII just feels like a complete camera without much problems. R5c on the other hand seems lacking on the practical side and doesn't offer any advantage color wise.
Riiight, how is the canon lacking other than a crappy battery life. Care to explain?
Couldn’t have said it any better. Sony with the better dynamic range, canon with the better colors. I also agree that canon has way better colors on camera screen compared to Sony and that’s kinda huge since you’d want to see what you record.
Overall both cameras are 🔥.
Btw love how the canon r5c with Rf lens loooks!
what were you shooting that drained the battery? 4k? 8k?
4K
I actualy like the Sony more. Nice video as usual Sam.
Thanks Will 🎥🙏🏻
When you tested stabilisation on that shot with the 50mm, how well does warp stabiliser fix the micro jitters?
Not good 😬 I tried and instantly regretted it
Does the r5c have a 180 shutter angle or is it manually set? (I.e 1/50 for 25p/24p)
Hi. Yes it does have the 180 degree which I love 🤩🙏🏻🎥 thanks for watching
I have been wanting to get the R5C for a while now, but not only do they have a $1000 difference MSRP, but now the A7S III is going on sale $1000 less bringing it to nearly half the price.
It's a hard decision. I generally get Canon for my ecosystem now, but I have no full frame glass, so either way I have to start at square one with this upgrade.
I knew the Canon R5C was big but my GOD thats a phat camera
would love to see a comparison to the C70 and the difference between those 2.
It’s a good size 🤩🎥 S5 vs R5C coming soon 🙏🏻 thanks for watchint
I gotta decide tomorrow between a Sony fx3, canon r5c and lumix s1h help!
In fact, in Gerald Undone’s Imatest results, the R5C has slightly more DR in most areas than the A7SIII.
if they're going to making bigger just put the NDs inside too. That would seal the deal for many. AND sony does have massive edge on lens options but i def like the canon color and less sharp. I'm deep in sony now but i'd prob go canon if i just started out. hopefully sony can tweak the color issue.
Both are incredibly excellent camera
Very true
The Canon R5C is $1,000 more than the A7Siii. That's where my consideration starts from. The word on Canon files is that they are harder to work with in post. Is that still true?
Weird that the Sony is sharper...?? I thought the R5C was very sharp because of the down scaling...
6:58 I think Sony did place a fan with the FX3
@7:00 Because you are comparing incorrect camera models.
What Canon R5C (with Fan) is for Canon's R5, Sony FX3 (with Fan) is for Sony's A7SIII 🙂
I think downsampling from that 45mp sensor has something to do with the heat.
Did you shoot raw (c-log 2) on the r5c? Or .mp4 c-log 3?
0:28- check your face. once you see that effect, you would never want to use the Sony. There's something weird going on there in the darker areas. Perhaps a denoiser? Why Canon needs a fan: it resamples 8k. The R5 is actually sharper, has more detail, despite what the video suggest. (or the R5c has a softer image than the R5)
I guessed correctly because the skin tones are still slightly off from one another. Sony's, even to this day, still have a slight...almost tan like quality to the skin tone while Canon's still have a bit more natural look to them. Sony has come a long way in their colors though.
Totally! Well done and thanks for watching 🤩🙏🏻🎥
I them right on the first clip itself. Having used them both, For me, highlight rolloff is the give away. If R5C had the highlight roll off of a7siii or better yet something like blackmagic, that's would be a dream camera even with quirks like micro hdmi and short battery life. I can live with those but not with harsher highlight rolloff.
Agree
The battery life is not at all as rumored - I geared up for it to be terrible and it was anti-climatic. I've only had to change battery once on any shoot thus far with 4K (on 4 hour shoots or so). Key is to use the batteries it says to use - E6NH and not the E6. Big difference.
It's impossible for a7siii to have sharper image than R5C!
It's bang for buck honestly. Have little to no gripes about my R6.
R6 is an amazing camera! Still love and miss it to this day 🎥🤩🙏🏻
@@SamHolland 🙌🏿
hey just saying an S5 can be picked up for less than $1500 for the body...
Stay tuned for the S5 comparison 🤩🙏🏻🎥
but has horrible autofocus good luck with that.
skin tones look more natural on the Canon, that's for sure, but Sony has made great strides in the colors and IQ. Still don't want to use one.
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I always notice that the sky always exposes better with the a7s3. I’ve got the R6 and love it but there is just something about the Sony’s that look good to me!
I think he filmed in c-log 3 on the r5c. C-log 3 is easy to grade but mot the best dynamic range. If he had filmed in raw (c-log 2) on r5c, the dynamic range would be similar to a7siii with the advantage of raw (more flexibility).
I have the R3 and a7siii, Raw (c-log 2) on R3 is better than s-log 3 on a7siii for me.
Your asking why Canon can't make an 8K video camera without a fan when Sony's A7III is? Is that the question because the A7III is only a 4K camera which every cell phone and most point and shoot cameras can do. The question would be valid concerning the R6 which is only 4K but the R5C has a lot more powerful stuff in it than the A7III.
I got the new R5c from running an R (attached with the Atomos) for production. And I got to say I absolutely HATE the battery life on my R5c. Its anxiety inducing and the IQ I really don't find to be that much more mind blowing then my Rs 10bit footage. Seriously considering selling it.
No. I have an R and R5 and sold my R5c. But my R5 blows my R quality out of the water. I only use my R for photography because the video is so bad.
@@presise1620 the R was incredible IF paired with the Ninja V and I pair it now with the R5c as the B-cams. In a controlled setting its hard to tell much difference. Outside in run and gun the R5c and C70 blows the R away for DR. But the battery on the R5c is so bad.
@@WildHorseProductions so why does my R footage look mushy even with the ninja v
@@presise1620I do a lot of editing with multiple cameras from our DPs and yeah the R is a bit soft, ESPECIALLY vs the Sony A7Siii which is incredibly sharp, even the A7III's 4k is much sharper. R5c is better for IQ and sharpness but IMHO the sony is still sharper and has a bit more DR. Both the R5c and A7Siii are pretty easy to color grade though.
I'm interested if you want to see it
I’m a Canon person but I preferred the Sony, but not so much that I’d switch. I wish Canon had better low light. I might buy a second hand Sony just for that.
Are you at Sherwood Forest there ?
Sure am! Favourite stomping ground! 🎥
No way love Sherwood, be cool to catch you there one day and pick up some tips 👍
Is inbuild stabilization in r5c...
What would make ‘me’ want to pick up a camera and film more would be if they had a tilt screen option and not the damn, ubiquitous side hinged sticky out screen.
what's the Sony lenses used here? Thanks!
The dead giveaway with Canon R5/R5C is the highlight recovery or lack thereof rather. The blown out clouds gave it away to me. In regards to the Sony and color science, it's the luminance in skintones that are usually duller than Canon which makes them less pleasing imo.
What lut do you use for the a7siii?
The good old Canon Cripple Hammer 🔨
shot on both ...both are great but the color and image is more of requirement for me. I learn towards more on the canon side. I use the ankers battery pack for weddings and get 7hours with it. I can deal with the battery issue.
which anker if i may ask?
25600mwh anker
ergo on canon r5 is perfect. Esp for bigger hands.
color is not matter it depends on post-production you do😊
Ahhh those Canon colors they're a winner for me too
Need a third party battery grip for the camera with a much better battery
Ewww sony colours… that green tint
04:00 Good take sony! due to better color sensitivity of a7siii which helps to keep thoose blue reflection of the sky.