R5c vs R5 - 10 Main Differences for Video Users
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
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0:00 Introduction
0:17 No Record Limits
1:07 Cinema EOS UI
2:41 8K Oversampling
3:54 8K 60p
4:54 MI Shoe
6:00 Fixed Sensor
7:06 Tally & Timecode
8:14 Dual Base ISO
9:18 10 Bit Log Without H.265
10:08 Wide DR
11:11 Summery - Фільми й анімація
The production level of this short clips is mind-blowing. Thanks for so much effort in shooting them and putting such a great content every week.
good stuff, but his tone is so distracting I cant listen to him. Its like he has something lodged in his throat.
Like many ex-Canon users, we loved the image but disappointed with lack of video features (ALA Panasonic inventions), but you helped restore our faith in Canon somewhat, so it's back on the wishlist pending further reports on its ability and viability, Thanks for the review.
I love the calm and clear way everything is explained in these videos. Fantastic comparison!
Thanks very much!
Carl
Oh let's not forget the R5c's crap HDMI. Can't afford one anyway, but hope the RP is overhauled with fan and proper 4k, can live without 8k.
I see you, Tom!!! I also just realized I have been Unsubscribed from your channel... this is NOT the first time I have been unsubbed from channels I actively watch.
Thank you for the vid, was exactly what I was looking for 👍
Great video, thanks for the breakdown!
Thanks for the great presentation of information regarding the R5C.
Your voice and presentation skills are just very good!! Thanks for the detailed comparison
Thanks for the clean and to the point breakdown! I'll be picking up the R5C and have my R5 become my b-cam but I do wish they were to add Wide-DR to the R5 as well to have the two match natively...
Great video! Good job!
you make the best video, appreciate you!
Great video overall, thank you !
Wonderful video. Thanks Carl! 😊
No problem, thanks for watching!
Carl
Tq sir 😊👍
Really like the information and wide dr look :P
I am more hesitant because of the computer power needed to edit all the information and all those HD needed to store it. I shoot UA-cam stuff on my R6 in Clog and I am planning a shooting a mountain bike movie this summer... maybe on the R5c.
missing ibis is a real pro, but only pro users will know why. The whole youtube says missing ibis is a problem, simply because 99% of users dont know what they are talking about.
99% of R5 users don't need the R5C and should stick with R5.
It is just one of those things, a big advantage for some, a big disadvantage for others. Just proving that there will never be a perfect camera as everyone’s needs are different
Carl
I'm not a pro and I know why! Helps to explain the point. Pro's want to be in control, not having the camera doing its own thing. A good example is filming in moving vehicles when IBIS does it's best to make the exterior look shake free and shows the interior talent bouncing about. Been difficult enough to get pro's to accept Canon AF!
I consider myself a pro because I work full time in video, and I can tell you that the IBIS is very useful in some cases. For example in handheld shots or just with a cage/handle or a shoulder rig. Where it’s annoying these it’s when shooting with gimbal or tripods…it was also said that the pros didn’t need AF…why it is available on this r5c?
We all know that they removed the IBIS because the battery will not support this additional charge and Canon protects the other camera ranges. Look at the sony cinema cams (fx3 and fx6), they have IBIS, as well as the panasonic s1h (which is netflix certified….)
Perfect hybrid Camera !!! I want get one!! Please show me more about each video samples
Thank you. Requesting you to compare image quality and low light performance with Sony A1, Sony A7S3, Panasonic S1H
Sensor is the same so is the image quality. Get R5 and Ninja V for the same price and you'll keep the IBIS and better autofocus with no overheating.
They say dynamic range is better in R5C. But I don’t know sure, I never have seen a real test of them side by side.
That 8k Raw is insanely sharp
Great comparison! Is it true that the canon
battery grip BG-R10 is not enough to enable 8K-RAW 60fps with all the functionalities?
Nice video Carl. I'm just musing here but is the reason that you have to re-boot the camera to go to stills mode (and visa-versa), a way to get around paying RED for using RAW recording? I could be way off the mark, but i've never seen a camera re-boot like this. Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Would love to see if a speedbooster would work with this camera, so you could shoot at super35 mode and get a 5.9K resolution with the extra stop of light?
What mode need additionla usb power? only 8k 60?
I’m so excited about the R5c! It’s everything that I wanted the R5 to be. I don’t believe he lack of Ibis is going to be a big deal. Most of my lenses are stabilized and if needed, I have a gimbal.
if i buy this camera can i use it with canon 28-300 mm lense wich i love so much? i mean will i have the image stabilization?
@@alexandrealexandre3724 no because that lens don’t have stabilizing
In stills mode, can you access the same video recording options as there are in the EOS R5 menus, or did they pull it all out and reserve it for the Cinema EOS menus? Also in stills mode, what happens when you hit the video record button - does it default to whatever codec you last used in Cinema EOS mode?
thanks for your review, extremely useful.
No problem, thank you for watching
Carl
Thanks for this great comparison. I would love to hear something about AF differences as well, since the video side of the R5c uses DPAF 1 rather than DPAF 2 in the R5. I already know that animal eye AF is absent in the video side of the R5c, but is touch tracking absent as well, and is the video AF performance also more sluggish in the R5c? It would be great to hear more about the differences in these important features. Thanks!
Wow very important points. Thank you for highlighting
At around 4:15 you showed a power adapter for your camera. Mounted to the bottom. What was that?? Looked great and easy!? Thanks!!
No IBIS, 8 seconds to switch from video to photo and extra power to shoot in 8k60P it's a pass for me. but thanks for your great review!
in r5 video mode,is not posible to see exposer histogram in recording mode? or audio monitorin..auto (not manual) tx..nice video,naw i use hor wedding IPB compresion on my r5c and r5..IS NO DIFERENCE..just on edit on pc..
It is very interesting to watch
your videos regularly . I have both cameras
R5 and R5C, I'm missing The R5 4K HQ sharpness quality to watch it right to TV without editing in my new R5C. the
question is how can I use my new R5C as I used my R5 in mode 4K HQ
(Ufine) right to watch it on tv without editing . I
tried my R5C in all tv watchable formats without editing but I couldn't get the same sharpness quality as R5? Please help me .
Please, do a comprehensive review of the Ursa Broadcast G2. I'll highly appreciate it.
We will definitely do some videos on the ursa broadcast G2 once they supply enough for us to have one in demo.
Carl
Im a new film maker, can you make a video explaining the 10 bit H.265 video part a little bit more thank you
Hi. What is the battery you are showing at the bottom of the camera when talking about the 8K60? Thanks!
What about the difference in hand. Does the fan extension cause any discomfort or awkwardness in the handling of the camera body?
8K RAW image is stunningly clear 03:21
Hi what’s the third party battery source you use can you send a link thanks in advance.
Interesting results with the 120fps. I was hoping they wouldn't compromise image quality here but it looks very soft compared to the other modes. I thought the down sampled HD was extraordinary for detail, almost looks 4k, I thought sharper than the 4k 120. This makes me think. If you shoot HD 120fps would it be down sampled and result in a better image than the 4K 120fps?
I tried to shoot 120 frames in 1080 and in 4k - 4k has more bitrate and looks more detailed and lively. Less soapy textures
Gr8 content guys. Awesome video very well made. One question about the auto focus being version one not the advanced version you get in R5? Is it true? Can you elaborate on that?
A quick answer is you get the advance auto focus in photo mode, the the basic version in video. That matches up closet to the C70 in focus performance.
i currently have had a Canon 80D for a long time and have been depsertley researching for months on different full frame cameras for both high quality photography along with stunningly crisp Video for a number of scenarios. I have been buying alot of Sigma Lenses that are EF mount which sucks because the cameras that are obviously better are ones like the Sony A7siii, Sony A7R V, Canon R5 (What I am most leaning towards) which all have different mounts that I would buy adapters to fit my current lenses. I have been debating for so long but deserve an upgrade in quality from what I currently use. Any recomendations on any cameras I did not mention or any I did mention! Do you think the R5 would be perfect for me? I would really appreciate any suggestions from people who have used many different cameras and would like to help me buy the perfect one!
Did you make a decision?? Shooting on the 90D myself haha
Do you guys got a video of what all the buttons and nobs do on the Tascam XLR deal? This will be my first time dealing with something full XLR and idk what some of the stuff does.
That would be a good video!
Carl
@@ProAVTV I think it would be too. I cant find any one explaining what each thing does and it bothers me lol. I mean I can learn buy getting it when it comes out. But I rather have info before I start shooting so I have a good idea of where to start. But just a idea for you all
I've been using my Canon 70D for almost 8 years. Have one EF-S and one EF lens (kit and prime lens), and a R5 C would be a great fit if I can use my current glass with the mirrorless camera. Are there any tradeoffs with using EF lenses?
yep there is an adapter for Ef lenses to RF. I use my 70-200 ef on my EOS R
Will the R5 C still be able to be controlled with Gimbals such as Crane 3s or RS2 with that new video interface?
Perhaps with a firmware update yes, I don’t see why not.
Carl
How about the highlights roll of is it same as on cinema eos line ?
Greetings!
how to avoid lens noise - focusing.
when there is silence in the room, for example during a wedding, etc. I have a canon R5c
Thank you for your excellent explanations! I am using the C 500 MK II as an A und the R5 as a B Camera. The AF quality in the R5 at 120 fps is exceptionell! As I hear in various reports, the feature is no longer given in the R5C. Is that true?
yawn and who gives a shiit????
What cable you used to connect the powerbase battery to the camera ? Was that an usb C from powerbase to camera ?
No, the power base as a pole jack to LPE6 dummy battery cable in the LPE6 version
Carl
The no IBIS thing is not a deal breaker for me as I would rather have control of that but the no ND filters and 3rd party battery shoe instead of just creating a 1D type battery grip is a shame. Then again if it was a Canon grip it would 5x more expensive. I'm still bitter since I just had to buy a few RCV100's. that's unrelated but jesus Canon really? :)
Question - is there anything better for video? I dont even know if its possible to beat it?
Hi does the canon R5C record in IPB Light like the R5?
basicall the R5C is the best camera u can get, if u do stills and vid - EDIT - damn just got the part where it doesn't have IBIS. doe the normal R5 (non C) have the electronic stabilization aswell?
What is the brand on the 3rd party battery attachment?
I rented one this week and it blew my c300 mark III out the water
h264 8bit is with c-log like Canon eos R or not??? It is only way to edit.
one question I have a r5C and i want the trade it for an r5 and 350 euro cash i use it for photography 95% of the time should i trade it?
*I don't know why so many folks are pushing the 4K capabilities of 8K cameras these days ? I can certainly understand the obvious advantages of being able to reframe and zoom in without quality loss if you're delivering in 4K DCI. Frankly, I don't want to acquire an 8K camera to shoot in 4K. If I wanted to shoot in 4K, then the Canon C70 is the 4K production DCI way to go, but if you are shooting for Cinema production, then you want True 24.00p @ 8K DCI resolution, or at least Ultra, Ultra 8K resolution. Netflix will soon up their delivery resolution, and I want to be ready for that ASAP. There are several other basic, practical considerations, which go against the R5C. One is the need to connect external power to shoot in 8K. The Nikon Z9 has a power house huge capacity internal battery, which end users are reporting up to 3 Hours of 8K shooting per charge ! This long running time per battery charge in 8K is a big plus on the set indeed. Grab three of these Z9 batts and you're set for most of the day, as you're charging one batt while shooting with another. Also, the ability to shoot internally in ProRes RAW HQ in 8K kicks butt because you don't have to rig any external recorder to grab an 8K resolution file in the right codec (ProRes), so the turn around can be much easier and faster for post. You also have IBIS in the Z9, and IBIS generates overall steadier images in documentary/reality TV production IMHO. The only negative I can see using the Z9 and in favor of the R5C is the lack of True 24.00p speed. Hopefully, Nikon will soon remedy this deficiency via a firmware update (??)*
The z9 is good but is much heavier, has worse lenses, costs more, has worse autofocus, has less older lens compatibility, has inferior colors, and has no mechanical shutter. Overall the canon is better at stills and video while being more affordable. Pretty obvious choice here.
@@Yupthereitism Uhhh, wait a minute. Some of your statements here do not ring true. Your claim Nikon has worse lenses than Canon is utterly FALSE ! Nikon glass is amoung the sharpest glass you can slap on the front of any camera. The movie industry has been adapting Nikon glass for use on PL mount motion picture and RED cameras for several years just because of this fact. Your claim of worse auto focus is also inaccurate. The Z9 has corrected most, if not all, of the autofocus deficencies which caused earlier cameras to under perform next to Canon cameras. Inferior colours you also claim ? I would agree with you for the most part of this being true with past models, but all of the test footage I have seen thus far from the Z9 shows a great improvement as well on that front. No mechanical shutter you wrote ? So ? Who cares ? What difference does that make ? I'm looking at the Z9 more from a video shooter's POV and not from a stills POV, so it's a non-issue anyway. The Canon is (less) affordable than the Z9. The choice is not so obvious to me, as battery running time of Canon cameras is a big issue of importance in my work. Nikon has a huge battery lasting up to 3 hours in heavy use, so having 3 or four of them should cover a whole day's shoot. I suppose one can always power via the USB-C port from a larger external battery.
Is it not possible to resize or move around that waveform display?
You can change it from the right side to the left side, but that’s it unfortunately. You can toggle it on and off with an assignable button though which is what I prefer to do myself
Carl
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I am unable to understand why a CF Express type B card not overheat in Canon R5 while it overheats in the Nikon Z8???
Mirror less difference with dslr?
What's the battery life like when using 8k 30 fps video anyone know?
Wish you would have shown the ten second delay when switching from stills to video on the R5C. that can be a deal breaker for certain hybrid shooters and hence an advantage for R5/R6/R3 where switching modes is instant. That said, having all the cinema assist features inside R5C is a game changer if you can deal with the reboot time delay. One question I have for Carl: when going from OFF position to stills does the camera start up immediately? is it only when OFF to video that the delay happens? Or only when switching from video to photo and vice versa?
I show this in our main video. In fact I say that for some people they will be better off with the R5, A1 or S1H because of it. Personally though I much prefer having access to the cinema eos UI that is designed for video work with video features.
I didn’t time it, but if I had to guess… from off to on is probably the exact same in the stills side as it is on the R5, with the video side being slightly longer.
Carl
Thank you SO much for posting this. This is a deal breaker for us.
How do you color balance on the video side ? Is that still the same that you have to to do it on camera still side?
No it’s a custom white balance on a assignable button. Much much quicker! I show this in our main video
Carl
@@ProAVTV glad to know.
By the way you are very professional
Really appreciated your efforts on all your video. Thank you 😊
I have a very important question! Is it possible to take a picture on video mode, or make a video in photo mode in the R5C?
Great question. Video in photo mode, (even with lesser codecs) would diminish the lesser AF (C70 like) function on the video side.
Not right now no. This has been one of my main pieces of feedback to canon so far. To allow some kind of video recording in stills mode. Even if it’s limited.
Carl
If I already have R5 and Atomos Ninja V. Does it make sense to switch over to R5c?
If you value proress then no.
are you going to review the tascam x8?
Possibly! I take it you would like us to? It does look great.
Carl
@@ProAVTV yes, please
Hi Carl, I'll add a vote for the Tascam, I'm interested in its use on the XF605.
also r5 has killer freature: wifi control in video mode. As far as I know r5c hasn't.
Im slightly regretting buying this. Haven’t fired it on yet but lack of ibis, no custom video modes, the image quality looks the same as r5, shit battery life, delay in switching from video to photo mode…i mean what is the point of using this over the r5? I have both cameras and shooting tomorrow. Im seriously thinking about just using the R5. Why are we paying more for a bulkier lesser version of the same camera?
You said the R5 is one of the best lowlight cameras from Canon. I would disagree with that completely. The C500 MK 2 is always cleaner and brighter than a similar set up from R5 that always needs a denoise. With my research, the R5 needs to ETTR every time or the noise becomes insane. Maybe I got a lemon but other than that, I’m interested in the R3 or R5C has to offer
Very true, the C500 II is also very good. Are you comparing raw or XFAVC though? As the raw on the R5 will be noisier due to resolution.
Carl
@@ProAVTV referring to both of the cameras in their raw formats. I use them both on productions for music videos and it is already an accomplishment of how comparable the R5 is to a $16k camera but if you are shooting dark, the differences begin to widen.
It just baffles me that the R5 is technically dual native but I never noticed a edge in lowlight.
Battery life test?
I did one in our main video. We got 1 hour of 8k raw on the official canon LP-E6N
Carl
you didn't mention the LACK OF IMAGE STABILIZATION.
We need autofcous tests!
Agreed! Once I get the camera back I will do exactly that!
Carl
As far as I'm concerned the r5c is infinitely better than the more expensive c70. The only real downside is that the r5c doesn't have built in ND filters (which if that really bothers you, the ef to rf with built in ND can fix that for you), but to be fair, as fair cinema production goes, Matte boxes are usually used regardless of built in ND filters. So really it doesn't make it any less of a cinema camera.
The bigger problem in my opinion is how Netflix hasn't approved the r5 or r5c yet but has approved the c70. Why they did this, I have no idea.
C70 has a lot more going on than you may think. At its heart is the C300 III DGO sensor that has superb DR /HDR and a very cinematic IQ. R5/R5C have 8K resolution but the DR isn't really up there. Things like Micro HDMI and single bottom mount screw also disqualifies it for serious Netflix types of productions. That's not even the target market for such hybrid cameras.
Netflix require timecode support amongst other things that the R5 wouldn't have met. The R5c might well get netflix approved, we will see!
Carl
@@fotomaton7852 but the human eye can't even see the amount of colors within 16bit color. Besides, Dolby vision is only 12 bit anyway, so the final result wouldn't be capable of seeing the entire spectrum in the final result anyway. Even the colorist, as far I'm aware, would be incapable of noticing the 16 bit color as there aren't any displays in existence with that much dynamic range as far as I'm aware.
I do believe the R5C is amazing!! I preordered mine on release date. In terms of many important features it is still behind the C70 in my opinion. The main one and is why many often choose an Alexa over all others is dynamic range. The C70 beats the R5C by 2 complete stops. The DGO sensor gives the C70 gives cleaner images especially in shadows and much more forgiving in exposure. The C70 has Clog2 which is the professional standard for canon C cameras. Built in ND’s are so nice to have and impossible to live without once your used to them and they leave the front of the lens open for other filters. But that’s just my thinking lol everybody has different needs👍
@@EpicGamerWinXD69 What 16-bit? C70 does 10-bit recording at the moment and will get to 12-bit with the CRL update. My main point was about the 2 to 3 extra stops of DR the DGO sensor inside C70 gives you as well as the super clean shadow information. Totally changes how you expose and much closer to ARRI/RED standard than your average mirrorless hybrid. That's where the C70 shines vs R5/R5C. YMMV.
Why did you leave out the elephants in the room? Please show us 1) the functional difference in the video AF between the R5C, the R5 and the C70. 2) The speed and time required when switching between photo and video mode, 3) the portable power choices and brands 4) how to use a portable monitor with the attached tascam audio unit.
Ok so:
1. I don’t consider the AF difference to be one of the main differences. It’s something we will absolutely explore in more detail. But it didn’t make my top 10 list
2. I mention this in my main video overview, in fact I say for some people the R5, A1 and S1H will be better for them because of just this.
3. I also discuss this in our main video. I like the CoreSwX power base edge or the Anton Bauer Titon Base.
4. That will need a cage to attach both at once. I’m sure we will see cage options hit the market very soon
Carl
Pro Av are in the business of selling kit, they are not an independent review channel. If Carl harps on about perceived deficiencies too much the manufacturers are less likely to bring ProAv in at an early stage.
@@ProAVTV ok. thanks...
i heard autofocus is not so good
That digital IS is unusable unless you make UA-cam videos with it. Removing IBIS never helps anything. Same mistake Sony did.
It seems there is no reason to get the R5, the R5C is better at video and takes higher resolution photos. Most importantly it doesn't overheat!
Overheating removed via update on r5
No eND filter? What a bummer and stupid way to cripple a good camera. Not one camera can offer production ready IBIS internal...
The title is misleading! This video is not about differences between R5c and R5, but it is about perceived R5c's advantages over R5. The neutral title hides the author's strong preference for R5c. Not necessary.