Why this Camera Wins Hands Down | Canon R5C vs C70
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The Canon R5C and The C70 are two very equally matched cameras, but there can only be one winner.
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Having owned 2 C70's for about 8 months and shot over 50 weddings with them (about 500 hours of hands on use, not to mention personal work) I can safely say the C70 is the winner for video only.
My interest in the R5c came from two key things the C70 lacks.
1. The C70 doesn't take photos. (well it'll take 4.2k 12bit DNG's but... yeah)
2. The C70's autofocus isn't... perfect. It works really damn well in 70% of situations but like most cameras it fails to pull tack sharp focus when doing gimbal work when the subject is right near the edge of your lenses hyperfocal distance.
Having used the R5 for photos, I would love that AF system in the C70. After doing some digging though, the Canon R5c does not have eye detect when in cinema mode.
If you are on the fence I agree with Brandon. If you NEED a top of the line photo camera + amazing video, get the R5C. If you don't need a top of the line photo camera then I would look at getting the C70 + used R6 etc. Heck I just bought another Nikon Z7 for $800 off ebay and the AF on Nikons Z line is more than good enough for killer photos.
The three major reasons you'd want/need the C70 over the R5c.
1. 4 Channel, 24bit 48khz audio with auto leveling. (With two phantom powered xlr ports, built in stereo mic and 3.5mm mic port)
2. 10 Stops of built in ND Filters. These are so key for good footage.
3. Battery Life.
To elaborate...
4 channels of audio means you can have two wireless lavs and scratch (or even 3 wireless lavs! etc) With auto leveling you don't even need to check your levels, just set the gain in the middle, let the auto leveling do the rest. With 24bit audio files you'll never run into clipping even with it auto leveling. I have yet to have clipping. My audio game has never been better. With the ND filters, you can then use a CPL filter on the front of your lens or you could use your lens hood to prevent unwanted glare. Glare is one of the number things I see from armature videographers. Thread on ND filters only cause more glare. Battery life is self explanatory but I typically get through an entire day with only swapping batteries once.
Hopefully this helps someone.
Agree with all of this.
Just to add though, if you're comparing the C70 and R5C AF in video mode, they are basically the same:
R5C in photo mode: Dual Pixel CMOS AF II
R5C in video mode: Dual Pixel CMOS AF
C70: Dual Pixel CMOS AF
There's only 1 camera Canon make that does Dual Pixel CMOS AF II in video mode and that's the R3. It also has eye tracking in video mode as well.
Anyone buying an R5C would assume it has the same great AF in video mode as it has in stills mode, but it actually doesnt.
@@Cowprint1 I only hope that in the next iteration of the C70 etc. they have better AF performance. It's great but its still not good enough to rely on fully.
@@Cowprint1 Very good to know, thanks dude! I really need a hybrid B camera for my C70, and was seriously considering the R5C, especially for additional photo work PLUS importantly a cam to accompany a C70 but sit permanently on a gimbal for when shooting events. That you've noted the R3 as having Dual Pixel CMOS AF II in video mode is very timely and exactly the call I was looking for.
Cheers mate.
Caine
I have a slightly different take on the 3 key issues you mentioned: I use an external audio recorder (MixPre10 II) for all audio channels, timecode synchronized to the cameras, so I only use scratch audio on-camera. Thus no preference for either camera here. I agree with the ND filters - built-in is fantastic on the C70. Regarding battery life, for the R5C I use the dummy battery connected to an IDX 98 Wh battery on my belt (even on the gimbal) and get endless battery life (but I am tethered to it). The big factor in favor of the R5C is the full-frame versus super-35 sensor size. I just find it easier to get good-looking shallow DOF with the full-frame sensor, and the noise seems slightly better as well. Both great cameras...
Hey mate!
Don’t have the C70 in my hands right now, but is there any specific settings to turn on the stills in DNG? I haven’t seen such a thing anywhere before, what I’ve seen is jpg stills in log
Not like I take that many photos anyway, but if DNG are available, that’s just so much better!
Wow its very weird that you say you're surprised the C70 doesnt have more noise than the R5C, and that it only has "slightly" better dynamic range. Have you actually looked at the test you posted? at 7:45 you show a side by side where the c70 looks great and the r5c makes your underexposed skin look like noisy green garbage... Seems like you're trying to sell the newer cameras by claiming no one would notice the difference when your own test shows a massive difference even when downscaled to a very small side by side window.
Since you allowed the Canon Speedbooster on the C70, you should also have allowed for the Canon R5C filter adapter and hence getting VND filters in the adapter. Can't make an exception on one end and not on the other and then giving out.
He used the speed booster to get an equivalent framing .in a real life scenario the larger framing of full frame isn’t critical or needed but nd filters are always needed.
@@slurp3194 he used the ND. Speed booster also makes the lenses sharper so it was cheating
@@FrankieTheOne It's actually the opposite, speed booster makes the image duller. If you zoom in with w/o speed booster, it's MUCH sharper without, that's why I stopped using mine unless I absolutely have to.
You won't see the difference in dynamic range when shooting in controlled environments like in this video, but it is definitely there. Also the softness on the C70 compared to the tack sharp R5c is desirable for some (myself included) as it has less of a video kind of feel. The sound options (two mini XLRs) and full sized HDMI also help, not to mention the battery life. ND's are a must. I own a C70 so I'm obviously biased, but if you're not planning on taking photos, there's no comparison.
The softer image on c70 tends to be more appealing for cinematic work. But then again you can screw in a 1/8 mist filter and it will do the exact same job and for some reason if you wanted a sharper image for a certain project you always have that room. The dynamic range is probably the biggest factor is the practical usability of the c70. Built in nds is huge
After that raw update for the C70 it was a no brainer as I shoot a lot of run and gun documentary style of content and can’t always dial in every single setting but for content creators the R5C does make a lot of sense you get a huge package built into one body
nah
im buying this on your say so, to add yo my eos r5 so its not that big of a jump, but still its ALL ON YOU BRANDON!!
C70 offers a better work flow. The R5C has Poor battery life, no ND filters, and not enough button options over the C70
Great video Brandon! I have them both, and can't bring myself to feel that there's much of a comparison. Photography aside, if I have to pack one in my bag, i'm choosing the C70. I say this because it just requires a lot less to function the way I need a camera to at the 4-5k price point. I often work in fast-paced, uncontrolled environments. The C70 is just ready for anything you throw at it in terms of video. The thought of having a cinema camera that I immediately had to start purchasing "workaround" accessories for, immediately took the fun out of using it. So the R5C is Cam B for me. It's great, but I just enjoy the C70 more. The R5C is like getting into the electronic vehicle space...It's shiny, fast, capable of so much, but kinda buggy in the beginning. Sometimes you just need your car to crank up, run on normal fuel, and be reliable. They both have their place.
I haven't heard it put better!
Depends on what you need it for. For shooting online marketing content as a hybrid shooter myself, where many customers always brought up the question “can I grab a high quality still from the video so we can save time and no longer separately shoot additional photos anymore?” I always felt a bit insecure when shooting 4K only with the C70, but since I got the R5C not only I shoot 8K 60fps, but I also grab stills from the best scenes and I further process them with Topaz AI plug-ins for amazing high-iso clean results (if any noise is visible), so I am able to fulfill my clients wishes that they previously had and I could even upsell faster due to the “8K stills” feature. If I shoot 8K I have a FXLIon Nano One battery on top of the cage, on a Ronin RS3 Pro since Run&Gun operation is crucial for me. It’s so much better with the R5C now than it was with the C70.
Don’t forget about longevity during your shoot day. Rain, snow, heat, the c70 just works. I’ve heard there are some updates to the r5c that allows it get hotter before needing to preserve for a bit, but 70 is my first cam personally that just doesn’t care, it’ll shoot and sip power for all it does for days without complaint.
Yeah, I'm going with the R5c as well. I'm a hybrid photo/video shooter and I already have an R5. If it were literally just up to me, I'd buy a second R5 and just do the Kolari heat sink mod again to have extended recording. Just did 4k60/4k120 a full day and no overheating with the mod.
Dude wtf I have an R5 and need that mod please
C70 has had a major update since this video was made. Improvements with focus
UA-cam have ppl choosing full frame over important key features. This is such a pointless comparison one is obviously for hybrid shooters and the other is strictly for videographers
We have 80% of the comments stuck on full frame and don’t shoot professionally just influencing other to buy gear learn the craft s35 full frame medium format in todays world are all great stop believing the hype
Excellent video as always! I bought the R5C because of what you said at 9:33...photography. The R5C is a weapon that can't be touched currently if you need to shoot both video and photos. If you're only a video shooter, the C70 is the right choice most likely.
Well done comparison. Recently, I've been looking at both as my next step up to a higher end cinema camera. The key word being "cinema". That being said, the R5C would be a great choice because I already have excellent ND filters and an adjustable step up ring - by Revoring - that is designed to adapt to filter sizes between 49mm and 62mm, with a filter thread of 67mm on the front. Although I have found some used C70's for a price around the same as the R5C. I'm not ready to purchase anything, yet. But, I think I would be happy with either one.
Hi Brandon, I think you missed out on the weight and size of both cams too. The C70 is an ass on the gimbal, but the R5C is a breeze.
So, Clickbait title? Nothing wins “hands down”. Thanks for wasting my time.
I don't understand why Canon does not give C-log2 to the R5c. That's really a factor that must be stressed here for videographers. I ended up buying them both
Didn't know you and marcus new each other! Worked alongside him on some craft beer promos, good guy! I personally still have not switched from my GH5's I have but I am loving how the R5C is looking rn!
This didn't age well, especially with all the updates the C70 has had.
The C70 has about 9 Megapixels and the R5C has about 45 Megapixels: for cinema, less is more! That's why the ARRI Alexa Mini has less than 10 Megapixels, and why even RED’s highest resolution 8K cameras still have fewer Megapixels than the R5C. The C70 can be used to shoot films, the R5C can be used to shoot Instagram Ads and Vlogs.
This is not just a matter of 4K vs. 8K, it is a matter of Cine sensor vs Photo sensor. Mirrorless camera video looks like a photo in motion; cinema camera video looks like the movies.
This is not to say the R5C is bad - I own one, along with a C300iii. The mirrorless, pixel-dense look can be a great creative tool because it is more hyper-realistic, and I opt for the R5C when shooting digital-forward content, like Instagram Ads. It is phenomenal that Canon added their full Cinema software to the R5C, along with the fan for cooling, so the tool is actually usable, but I would never consider the two cameras interchangeable.
Hope this helps!
Do remember that the lower the megapixel count, the less the color resolution. So for 10mp sensor, the green channel is only 5mp while the red and blue channels are 2.5mp. So for true RGB 444 color at 4k you need 32mp aka 8K
Color resolution isn't as noticable tho as luma resolution is but it's the thing that gives the image the "weight" or "thick color", not the bit depth only.
Such great detailed review! 🙌 Am curious, how does the R5C compare to the BMPCC6K Pro in terms of RAW image quality. Am considering selling mine to get the R5C.
How about using non RF lenses? I have a plethora of EF/L/US lenses from my DSLR collection. I do have the ring adaptor. But cant find anyone using EF lenses and reviewing the camera
Another great review and always great to see black filmmakers working together and shout out to Marcus … the R5C is tempting but only this that holds me back is the camera requires more cfexpress cards than my c500 mk2 and yes you can shoot at a reduction but then that negates the image advantage it has over my Bcam C70. It’s a remarkable hybrid but weirdly place because for cinema films you don’t want an image that’s overly sharp, which is reason why Hollywood black magic filters are used so often. The battery as you stated, lack of NDs you already explained and my last point is if it’s being used sparingly at 8k raw than the R5 with IBIS and no need for external battery makes R5c a tough buy with that in mind for ME … all in all keep up great content 👍🏽
Nice vieo, thanks a lot.
I am so close to buying both of these cameras. It's useful to know the issues I might face. This is a big step for me since up until this point I've been filming with some very entry-level cameras to say the least. I love the built-in ND and the audio options. I think the C70 would allow me to work faster. I know a few people who own it and they have told me it's no contest what my A-cam should be. That being said, I've been watching a ton of C70 videos to reaffirm my decision. Yours was one of the best. You have great delivery!
Check out my comment but, yes, C70 should be considered the only option for an A-Camera when comparing to the R5C
Great video. But you need to get the “built in ND filter adaptor” for the R5c and the top xlr handle to compare them :)
I have the C70 and the R5C and love them both, but the c70 is so Nice with the battery time on that camera 🤩
Battery, ND built in, xlr (mini) build in. Its just the better Cinema camera.
I use the R5c when its photo jobs and small clips in slow motion because the battery is only like 35 minutes after setting the camera up 😅😆 and you are right it is sharper… alot.
As a B-Cam for the C70 would you recommend the power-hungry R5C or the R6ii? In am really thinking too much which one is better. 120p 4k vs. better autofocus and longer battery life in the R6ii.
Holy warp-stabilizer batman. Good comparison overall, Brandon. Two cameras that I have no interest in but watched regardless.
Great video as always! I just got my work to purchase me a R5C for the exact reason you mentioned, I do 50% video and 50% photography. So this is a no brainer! Use to have to take my C200 and 7D2 with me everywhere, this saves me so much weight and hassle.
I think Canon didn’t overlap too much. If you have the budget and depending on what you shoot, you will benefit from owning both. That’s why I own both. And In my own testing, the r5c seems to always have more noise in its raw files.
I only shoot 8K Raw with 12 bit i use it as negative then transfer it to 4K after color correct it in Davinci, I-get rid of the huge 8K files and stay with the post 4K shots with CC (I sell stock) and this way I have find that the R5C is a beast of a camera
The C70 has better dynamic range and definitely holds on to the colors in the shadows and skintones much better than R5 C. That's what makes that DGO sensor of the C70 / C300 mk iii so good. Look at the shots at 7:49 to see what I'm talking about.
yeah, i was thinking the same...the right pic looks like he got biten from an unliving 🤣
but looking at the ground outside in full light you can see there is also saturation missing...so not a god example these two shots..maybe different whitebalance? shutterspeed? grading?
@@caseybachmeyer I've used both cameras extensively and the C300 iii definitely has better highlights and skintones. The 8K raw on the R5C is nice but it has noisey shadows similar to that of the Sony a7s iii. It's annoying because a properly lit scene will still have noisey shadows. Overall, I prefer the image of my C300iii over the R5C but neither come close to my RED V-Raptor so I mostly shoot on that.
@@brandonpeterson40 thanks a lot
Love the r5c, and the c70, but the Sony A1 outclasses both of them especially in low light.
Great video as usual, I think something to note for the ND's I am using the EF to RF adapter which allows for the ND's where it's not as nice as the built in and obv you can't use the RF glass, I think it's still a good for a setup. I am coming from a blackmagic 6k pro so I have a lot of EF glass that still performs well with this setup.
Great video! My 2 questions are how is it to use the R5 as a b-cam to the Komodo, and as a travel camera and b-cam would you go for the R5 or R5c?
Thanks!
Thanks for this video. I’ve been torn between the C70, R5C, and A7Siii/FX3. It seems like 2 year old Sony tech might be doing better than brand new Canon tech in the R5C. I wonder if the camera I end up buying right now might not matter as much as picking which lens ecosystem I’ll live in for the foreseeable future, Canon RF vs Sony.
Sony >> lenses are awesome better build quality then rf mount but imagine quality is the same. Idk they are both amazing in terms of sharpness but honestly if ur video focused lenses dont even matter. You will probably end up buying 3rd party cine lens and older photo lenses.
Which one is better? R5C or C70 🤔 torn between the two
Panasonic Lumix S5II has entered the chat out performing both Canons @ $2,300 bucks new 😮
The Canon 5D mark iv can't compete, has it become obsolete compared to the R5C which has the same function still/vid. Can it still preform or is the dropoff too drastic???
If you take pictures, R5C. It’s literally a no Brainer. I use the nd adapter as well. Idk how the comments can give credit to c70 for having the speed booster but not nd adapter for the R5C, if I’m in an ND situation, I switch back to my 24-70 that has my nd adapter already on it (clear filter). HQ modes are great too.
the c70 can have both a first party speed booster and nd filter at the same time that mostly doesnt effect quality or performance at all.
FF is already on the R5c and you can both add a speedbooster and nd adapter. Seems like a win for R5c honestly as the FF is actually more than s35 with speedbooster
@@RockyMaiviaMiami for a speed booster to work properly on FF you would have to shoot in a crop mode.
@@RayValdezPhotography spot on. Would only be necessary for crop sensor lenses. The sigma 18-35 comes to mind.
This is a great point. And that speed booster is more expensive than the drop-in nd adapter. I will say every once in a while I will hit the dial which isn’t a locking dial, but that’s minor
Which one would be best for sports videography? I’m currently using the R6 Mark ii
The battery life of R5C will ruin everything nice about that camera.
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@bwashmedia Does the R5 MK II coming out change the equation?
I kept waiting for you at the end to say “just buy both!” Which is what I did.
This amazing review has helped a lot in my decision… always it’s hard to chose between two similar Cameras with almost the same capabilities. I think the C70 looks more PRO, but the 5C is more suitable. Thanks Brandon!
I did not buy c70 yet , only because lack of evf.
External one doesn't speak to me.
So the c70 could always do this but canon just didn't give it to us unless it benefited them? The f
I dunno in that one shot with you up against the window, your skintone looked WAY better on the C70
Wonderful comparison - great, great points.
Full Frame is overrated IMO
Somebody has a brain been thinking more openly after I sold my FX3 and experimenting with other body’s I have a C70 and recently bought an pocket 6k pro
ND is life for the type of work I do
@@PastaRoshie I'll take built in NDs over full frame everytime!
Dynamic Range on the C70 is better than the R5C. I have both. Resolution is not everything especially with AI upscale in Davinci. I bought the R5C first even though I own the R5. The C70 is a MONSTER
Agree. It's better than all the sample footage shown you on UA-cam... But don't tell anyone that 🤫
r5c a toy for who don't know. just look at the shadows dynamic range
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I would now rather see the R5C as a B camera for the Canon c500 mark iii
R5c cameras listed at $4500 original and most prices are $4000. I got offered $3450 with $100 shipping, and tax. came out to be $3877😬. Is that a good deal or should I have waited to see what better deal I could’ve came across. Keep in mind. Does hold its value and can resell for my money back n maybe even some profit.
There never gonna give an all in one camera that does everything. How are they gonna make money, money is the name of the game.
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Hi Brandon. I really like this video. I have a R5 then was deciding to get a more robust cinema camera. Based on this video, I objective feedback think I'll go with the c70 mainly because the battery life on the r5 and potentially r5c are not going to be that great compares to the c70 and I do have some old EFs lens and the RF0.71x adapter already. Do you have any suggestion on the types of lens for c70 and setup for podcast shoot with 2 or 3 hosts? Thank you in advance.
Turn off dusty cleaning then it’s less time to switch
I’ll take one of both!
Enjoyed your high quality content brother and got all i wondered about both cams. Keep up doing great job. All the best from Istanbul 😎
Awesome video! I just stumbled across your channel and subbed. I'm shooting photography and video on the R8 now, but one day I hope to be able to afford and have to decide between these two cameras. Great job with the comparison!
This video didn't help at all and it's not his fault. It's such a hard decision
Thanks, Brandon. Good review and comparison. For me, the shoe drops on usage: Never take a photo, don't care about them.
Bye the way, the C70 now has eye AF.
Thanks for the tips
NICE!
What is that battery under R5C? Can I see in detail?
Honestly, the only reason I’m favoring the R5C over the C70 is its smaller size. It’s not as heavy, it’s much more discreet… I’m upset I bought my C70 right before the R5C was announced. 😭😭 Otherwise, I’d have waited! Thanks for the comparison and your thoughts!
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Great Video, thanks for confirming my choice of the R5 C, I am a Photographer 1st and wanted one camera that will shoot video for my channel I was impressed with the C70 when it came out but i would have been left with my DSLR's for photography the 45 MP and 8 k sensor in video made the difference, thanks
So Brandon why does everyone say Xeen lenes suck I own a full set that I use on my canon r5c and my red Komodo
Idk I love my xeens. Sound like a bunch of haters lol
What are the R5C accessories that you have at 9:47? Thanks, Brandon, and excellent video!
Thank you for providing the comparison, it’s really useful for deciding between these two cameras.
Bro love your videos . Please suggest a convenient camera to go for after Blackmagic 6k and not red Komodo Cus it has a lot of separate components.
R5C W all day. C70 colors suck
Built in ND > No ND choice is simple, C70
This is dope but for some reason I don't shoot pictures, I'm more of video guy lol I'll take the C70 any day! Great video keep it up!
The C70 takes PHOTOS!! Do people really not know this?
I takes screen shots. Not the same thing in my opinion.
Thanks so much for this. I know it was a while back. This is great & I made up my mind because of you. I gotta take photos too 👊🏼
Please, may i ask - i am looking for best fullHD quality/video quality cinema camera with excellent AF from canon.
What should i go for?
Its gonna be for home usage, to save on HDD space and nothing commercial. SOOC footage.
I know 'the cinema feeling' is more of a light/composition/story etc, but somehow the quality of the sensor also, i think, matters.
Cheapest, the best.
Had DSLR - 6D mark ii - good price, excellent AF, but the quality of the video was meeeh. Sold it.
Z8 has better dynamic range and 8K
Here I am using a 90D and an R7 and I'm satisfied with both. The R7 takes a sharper video
A fullframe C70 Mini that can do vlogging too would be my dream :)
you should be manually focusing
GREAT VIDEO!!!! Canon EOS R5C vs Canon EOS R3 for interviews???
GREAT VIDEO!!!! Canon EOS R5C vs Canon EOS R3 for interviews???
🔴 Brandon Hey Man, I Like Your Channel! I think You Have Great Voice. Really Like What You Are Laying Down. I Am A Sony Shooter So Of Course In Specific To Canon or Anything Not Sony Is I Think More General Listening & Learning. Keep Hitting It Out Of The Park Bro Cause You Are. Peace.
I own the canon r5c. in cinema mode 59,94Hz I get the warning invalid operation when I press the record(10) button. Does anybody know what I am doing wrong or missing as canon itself isn't helping me out?
Wait 8 seconds????
Stay tuned for the C90. 8k full frame in the C70 body. 💪🏼
One constructive criticism if I may (and it's not limited to you - I've seen this with other reviewers): why was the light test done with such absurd colors? It doesn't look like anything in this world; with some more normal colors, we might've seen better skin rendition and whatnot. Secondly, those look like RGB led lights and unless that was daylight (regardless of 3200 or 5600k) leds with gels, then most likely the spectrum is severely limited so the rendition of the colors is compromised (watch Indy mogul clip on this issue).
great video thank you!
Waveform, focus peaking, shutterangle? Panasonic had that since years in their mirrorless body's 🤣🤣
Good review, I looked at the r5c but the need for external power, the lack of ibis, and the micro hdmi port put me off.
Comparing it to the Nikon z9 made the z9 the obvious choice.
The bit about ND filters wasn't a strong point, just add an ND filter to the lens and dial in the exposure you want. No biggie. C70 does zero photos while R5C does 50mp images at 20 fps, yes I know, that not a video thing but is very useful and high end spec. Battery life for video is the major issue and fault on the R5C and where the C70 smashes it. What power solution did you use for the R5C?
who has the better highlight rolloff?
Great video thanks, great comments below too, but surprised no one mentioned the canon Drop-in filter adapter for EF lenses and the variable ND filter? I find it super handy on my R5! Love it, except its fairly easy to knock the adjustment if not careful.
ottimo! Grazie
C70 now has an eye auto focus
Full frame sensors allow in more light? This is not true, they can have better high ISO performance due to larger pixel pitch, but not always.