Canon R5C - The perfect camera. If it wasn't for these TWO things!
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Body & Design: 1:22
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The Autofocus: 10:24
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Battery: 23:37
The Verdict: 28:02
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Are you a hybrid shooter or nah?
Yes, hybrid shooter, but video first. Hence the 2 cameras that really were welcome upgrades this year, are the Canon R5C and the Panasonic GH6.
Hybrid...
Hybrid shooter here! 🙌🏽
Yep, got the R3. The only issue i have is the red/magenta shift in the skin tones, not a fan. I can actually see it in your video. I don't like rigging out the cameras as you have mentioned it limits the camera uses, increases more complications to give trouble. I tossed up so much between the C70 and R3, but in the end i do feel the R3 is a better fit for me. The C70, from the RF and 35mm sensor to the poor build quality put me off as i have mostly RF lenses and there is not many short focal length options, i didn't want to use the speed booster. Then there is the AF as i am a one man shooter.
But at the end of the day, very happy with the R3. Would buy another.
Regardless of how much I am of a "Hybrid Shooter", I learned a long time ago that I MUCH prefer to just have 2 bodies.
Tip to save battery while not shooting is instead of turning off the camera press the "media or play" button. You get about 25-30min more
just read that! Very interesting
Well this is a big one for me if it works.
@@tommikangaskortet3102 did it work?
@@chiokehart-kelly3481 Sorry for the long delay. I can confirm that with a full original Canon battery when you start up the camera it estimates you 62 minutes of run time when ready to shoot and if you change to the media the estimate changes to 167 minutes so at least the camera itself seems to expect it to last way longer when the media window is open. I didnt bother to wait for it to run out and clock it tho so theoretically it can just also be a glitch too.
Damien, I've been following your channel for a couple years and your reviews keep getting better and better. Perfect mix of technical/spec details blended with your real world experiences and observations. Thanks for putting it together for us!
Thanks so much for the continuous support! :)
I am a hybrid shooter, albeit I mostly do photography (family, events) and videography (youtube, talking head / training videos) as a hobby. I currently use the Canon EOS R6 and R and I am pretty happy about the combo. I learned to work with the limitations of both cameras and I am happy with the results. If I would do
Very well reasoned and detailed. One of your best videos for sure.
thanks so much Bryan
I've been waiting for this one!
Great real world video bro - one of your best ever and spot on! - been following you for sometime now... I shoot with 2 x C70's (Used to have a C300mkII) and a R5c as my c cam (use a lot on a slider as well as handheld projects) - I have to agree with you 100% on battery and ND's - I use a 60 watt USB c charger as my extra power on a small rig clamp. Love this cam as an all rounder... but the C70's are the A and B cams and the R5c fits everywhere else. Keep up the Awesome work bro!!!
Absolutely fantastic review and perspective. As always.
Thanks a lot for the support Alex!
Such a great review, not sure why it doesn't have more views! Thanks though. Also, that smallrig cage is sexy
Can you guys share the model of that underwater housing for the R5C?
This is such a great review. Thank you. Super intelligent
Really good video! I sold my one DX mark two and got the R 5c Because I still need a picture camera so for me this works great😊
I talked with a local Canon rep few weeks back about this and he said that R5 and R5C are not the same, and its intentional as the cinema line users do not usually want the snappy, unnatural focus transition which you have with a photo camera. As long as their data from customers keep on telling them its not a wanted video feature they wont be adding it to the cinema line. Thats the impression I was left with.
Kolari make Magnetic Clip-In filters for the Canon RF-mount. These go inside the body behind the lens and work with RF lenses on the R5C.
Thanks for this
I have a Kinefinity mavo 6k as my main film camera and just purchased the R5C to replace my 5D4, occasionally I’ll do photo events and capture some video as well so this should be perfect for that, also as a B camera for live events, multi cam interview as with clog it should match much easier to the mavo, surprising the 5d did very good with tripod stuff, I never fell in love with it for handheld so I hope this does better as I don’t plan on rigging it up, that’s what the mavo is for personally
Great video! What's the underwater housing you used in this video?
well done looking to add another oes r5 or 5c to stable.
Many people complain about the sharpness of the R5C and lack of log 2 but both problems can be solved by a 1/8 promist to soften and shooting/setting RAW to CLOG2 in post. In resolve you can set the sharpness to 0 also as by default it is set to 10
We pretty much always use a 1/4 pro mist :D
@@damiencooper ok but you’re using XAVC right? Which is downsampled from 8K. What about 8K RAW or 5.7K which is cropped?
What water housing brand did you use with the r5c
Ace vid thanks. One odd thing for me is the Face Detect & Tracking menu is grayed out . I'm on a RF 15-35 2.8 lenes and i have check it with the adaptor and the rest of my EF lenses and its the same thing. I'm guessing its something mega simple but cant work it out . Any thoughts ? Thanks
the Canon R5C has the best video quality of any camera I've seen yet
but that battery life, such a deal breaker!!
we both have the Canon C70 and the same LowePro backpack
Another great video! Thank you! Can I ask, why clog-2 over clog-3? Thanks
You get the physical volume level controls with the Tascam Audio adapter. You also get XLR inputs that way. The issue you might have, that mounting a top handle then becomes complicated.
Exactly. That’s why I didn’t consider this. When having it on a tripod I’m recording externally anyway
I would guess that also takes some of your battery power giving you even less recording time.
@@GB-AK yes it does, but the Tascam adapter also comes with a battery module, that you can attach to it, so it does not draw power from the camera.
@@EmeraldAudiovisual That's good to know, thanks.
For an all in one video production powerhouse, sure the C70 takes the win. However in my opinion, the Lack of internal ND and battery life really isn’t strong enough deal breaker in 2022… There are innovations out there now that brings these inconveniences to a barely noticeable difference. I really think for anyone who wants Full Frame video in a smaller camera body from Canon, the R5C is the way to go at the moment. Many would know now that C70’s x0.71 adaptor really isn’t going to provide the same quality as a native full frame sensor.
Please post a link to the "Perfect Camera". I want to buy it.
Hey Damien, Thanks for another great video !!!
After watching many videos about R5c and R3 i got stuck.
Could you please help me decide which camera would be better for run & gun applications.
Your content is gold and your personality is amazing!!! Thank you so much for all your hard work and knolage You sharing with all of us !!! 😀🙌
One trick to save battery is to switch to the media recorded view, with the play button, and it just "turns off" everything, even lens stabilization stops working.
oh that's interesting. Gotta try that!
If I'm not mistaken r5c does not have internal image stabilization. Edit disregard I see you specified lense
Gooooood Morning in a new year. Quick Question, i thinking of taking the side flaps of my r5c before putting it in the smallrig cage. Die you ever do that? I fell they are always in the way. Is there a way to easily detach and if needed to put them back on? Greetings
What about the underwater housing you mentioned on the video? what are you using? thank you
What’s your suggestion for using an external monitor with a gimbal?
Great real world review as always! In my usage, doc work, the best thing about the R5C is flexibility in slimming down or rigging up. Besides amazing image quality and features on both the photo and video side. I also love the internal XFAVC codec and no longer have to bother with recording to a Ninja.
absolutely agree. The only problem with the slimming down are the battery and ND filters.. plus, the C70 isn't that much bigger
@@damiencooperyeah man I love my Meike VND EF adapter and my EF glass, which works REALLY good for my situation. Then connect a small 13500 PD bank underneath. Wish I could post a picture how compact I can rig it cause haven’t seen anyone do it the way I do yet and would love to share with others.
I have true hybrid needs in one body so the C70 though amazing doesn’t cut it for me, I’d add.
@@Malick333I would love to see your rig set up if you could share.
Hi! I’m curious about that under water housing you’re using? What’s the name of that? Thanks!
Any comment on the 8K RAW60p? I am interested in shooting this camera underwater with power and the 8K 60 RAW is very appealing!
Hmmm you can get the RF filter adapter and just add external battery and your problems are solved….nice video btw also is there an underwater housing for the R5c??
I have been mainly a stills shooter. But lately I'm being asked by clients to do more video assignments. After researching and waiting for the right camera literally for years (current camera is a 5D mkiii), I bought the R5C and everything you recommended but the Matt Box. Because I have EF Mount lenses I chose the canon ND filter. The Meinke was sold out. I use a separate Recorder H4N for Audio and wireless lavs. I've done 3 video jobs in the last week. Other than a small learning curve, the jobs went smoothly. Files ran like butter on my iMac pro. I'm about to do my 1st photoshoot with the R5C camera body this evening. I rented an R5 recently and loved it. So I don't think there will be any issues. I really need a second camera body. Switching back-and-forth from a cinema rig to a stills rig is a pain. This camera is definitely made for me and my line of work. Thank you again for all that you do. It does help!
That sounds like you found the perfect camera! congrats! Again, my usecases is very unique and that camera is still amazing!
Spot on, this camera has no weakness that can’t be fixed. I think that is the key hear. No cripples from canon, just figure out what you need and shoot
I'm still on the 1DX Mark ll for B camera and Stills. The other day the "anxiety" of batteries running out on the 1DX was killing me in a 3 camera shoot with C300 Mark lll. (I have 3 batteries) so I can't deal with 30 minute battery life on R5C. I don't get to try out cameras in Naples, Florida so I appreciate you doing this. Think I'll pass on this for the same reasons you mentioned.
Could I have the link for the underwater housing?😁
I can see the C70 for the primary camera then the R5c for a B cam and for stills. That would seem like a good combination for me.
Is the CLOG2 in the R5C (RAW) actually CLOG1? I think Gerald Undone mentioned something along these lines before (he had to match the waveforms between CLOG1 and "CLOG2" to show this).
Hey,
hey, Please let us know what is the model/company of the underwater housing?
I use the kolari nd filters for the r5/r6/rp cameras. These filters go inside the camera so you can use with any lenses. No need to worry about thread filter size.
but those aren't variable right?
although I think that's a cool option, I would much rather have solid NDs in a mattbox then. More options and easier to change
@@damiencooper yes, not variable. I have 3 stop, 6 stop and 10 stop. I usually put in the 6 stop and then leave it in there. Just swapping lenses at that point. It would be more run and gun and easily compatible with a gimbal. They do have a variety of nd filters including with mist diffusion. And they're magnetic so they don't move around. And no vignetting because it's bigger than the sensor.
Greetings!
how to avoid lens noise - focusing.
when there is silence in the room, for example during a wedding, etc. I have a canon R5c
How about the Polar Pro Helix Maglock VND filter? I just ordered these for my lenses. Seems like a great solution.
What about using the batterygrip ? :)
where can i find this underwater sleeve for camera?
Hi Daminen. Is the rec709 in r5c a 10 bit pls? I know is 10 bit on c70. Anyone? Thank you
What's a good camera as B cam for the cannon c70?
Hello,
Does the Canon r5c have focus stacking?
What’s your low light performance verdict between R5C vs A7SIII?
What water housing are you using for the R5C? Is it Salty Surf Housing?
The R5C is for persons like me, who just like shooting 8K RAW 60 without overheating at a somehow affordable price, having a PC what can handle the RAW footage. Persons who shoot sometimes small projects without the pressure of delyvering in time, non pros who are ok with a external micro. It is for Sharpness-lovers, for animals and macros. But I also miss internal ND filters, the R5C with internal Filters for 500.- more would be a switch from the R5C!
Can you tell me what underwhaterhousing you have? I couldn't find anything for the R5C, and yours fits "somehow".
The the VM NTG + meike nd + Battery grip solves most issues but you get a canon colors, photo camera, full frame up to 8k in a very versatile package that fits on a gimble and doesn’t overheat. Nothing w/ ND comes close in versatility
well, the C70 does! ;)
@@damiencooper hahaha, tried it. No true Full from especially w RF glass, No 8k(honestly don’t use it), no photography, much bigger body(think gimble, & transport), No Evf. Problem is I could make the R5C a C70 but the C70 couldn’t be an R5C.
Agree to all. C70 is still clearly the better all around video solution, while the R5C is an amazing B-cam, still cam, travel cam that is a true update from the R5.
What underwater housing is this you're using?
Thank you for your clear explanation. I know that you als use the Canon C70. I can work around the TWO things you mentioned and I am thinking about the C70 or the R5C. I have one question for you: was the dynamic range or the image quality also a factor that made you to decide on keeping the C70 instead of switching to the R5C? That than would be like THREE things (beside ND-filters and power supply). Thanks again!
addressed in the video.
The lack of ND filters does suck, really bad! I would settle for a Canon version of nd filters for rf glass. That would be a good work around
What is that cage thing around it?!
Where can I find the underwear housing you showed in this video?
What Mist or diffusion filters you are using ?
What water housing did you use?
Damien great stuff! (I own the R5c and r3 for video). Gerald undone gave out this tip- up the auto focus sensitivity on the R5c to +3, helps for sure!
The r3 with the ibis and bigger body is for me the king of handheld footage for canon shooters- I can’t recommend the r3 enough.. I use it all the time. The R5c codecs are butter 🧈 only problem is the battery life.
If the R1 is an R3 body(ish)with cinema capabilities like the R5c with IBIS on/off option plus the improved battery life-plus some ND built in. That would be game, set, match- perfect cam for me!
I think it’s in the works a mixing of the cinema OS and photo OS that would bring everything full circle. Both OS’s need improvement from there current layout and options.
And for the record I have shot a few projects on the R5C in wide DR- it’s getting to the point where log isn’t needed for everything. Wide DR has a lot of latitude. Fast and easy to edit-try it out!
Love your channel Damien- I can’t say enough thanks for all the tips, tricks and workflow ideas I have gained from you the past few years! You have become the go to channel for Canon shooters!🍻cheers my man!
Just for the record the ibis on the r3 works much better than the normal r5, the shape of the r3 is balanced it has more weight which allows for really steady handheld work. I would not shoot handheld when I had the R5 too many wobbles, the R3 is different, it’s a fantastic video camera. The c70 with it’s huge size and cropped sensor just for built in ND has never made sense to me- but we all have different needs and workflows. 😝🥳
If you had to choose one (R3 or R5c) which would you keep? I've got the R5c but really considering selling it for the R3.
Thanks for the support man!
That’s it. I have to put out a video about the R3 because I can’t for the life of me understand why anyone would choose that camera for video :D
@@damiencooper love it! Can’t wait to see it!
@@Musicspeaks318 hey Caleb! I go back and forth on this. The R5C has an amazing image, codecs and all the video features are fantastic.
I’ll give you an example. Yesterday I was at large hospital chain here in Cleveland, Ohio. I’m documenting there service dogs 🐕🦺 that work in the hospital. I shot the interviews on the R5C connected to PD USB. Then I put the R5c on the gimbal and was following the handler and dog around the hospital for a bit. At a point I switched to the R3 handheld. I’m in a hospital room with a real patient watching the dog and patient interact. The R3 with the IBIS is clutch, good low light performance- And the auto focus is touch accurate and the animal tracking is kicking in. Then I can get low to the ground and get the patients hand petting the dog just a few inches above the ground. The R5C would have fallen short in this situation. Though I have big clients, I’m often in situations I need to have as little presence as possible- not the big rigs that fill the thumbnails of youtube. mobility and speed are everything.
The R5C cinema OS is nice, but for 10 years I have learned to be a professional with canon photo OS and can work fast an efficient with it, though it has its short comings.
I took only the R3 to Mexico City two weeks ago and didn’t miss the R5C for one moment on that project. (I was documenting a pro soccer team, and filming matches)
I recently invested in the great joy RF 50mm, so I’m going to be shooting more anamorphic projects in the future. Which the R5C is the only true option for anamorphic.
Long response, I know- it depends on your needs. But if you do get the R3 only get the canon batteries for it! Watson and other brands will force the camera to overheat when shooting at 60fps for long takes -its not know on the internet, but I have experienced it filming the soccer matches at 60fps. The canon batteries though the R3 runs forever.
What underwater housing do you use?
the AF of the R5C is better than the AF of the C70. But I borrowed the R3 and its AF was even alot better than r5C. I used to think the AF on the R3 and the AF on the R5 were about as good. Am I wrong?
so i have a very specific use-case... we have a c300mkiii as an a camera, and needed a camera that is light and has good AF for gimbal work with matching color science to the c300. we *sometimes* shoot photos - cool, the r5 can do that... but the kicker - we quite often shoot in full daylight in Florida and the regular r5 can't keep up for obvious reasons. yes, the lack of internal NDs sucks, and so does the battery life. but i don't really have a problem using vnds and when the camera isn't on a gimbal it's a b-cam in an interview setup and we can either use a usb pd battery bank with the smallrig battery bank hot-shoe holder OR an lp-e6 dummy to dtap with one of our spare c300 core swx batteries that have dtap (also held via the smallrig battery bank hot-shoe holder).
the biggest point of contention for me is that the lp-e6 battery needlessly drains when it is in video mode in complete IDLE. the battery shouldn't drain as quickly as it does when recording when in idle. super stupid. and hopefully a firmware fix helps.
i will say it is a bit annoying... canon keeps coming out with these cameras that are ALMOST perfect and then drops the ball with a stupid thing like power... just give me a different battery option - i don't care if all my lp-e6s are useless and i have to invest in new batteries... I also don't understand how the fx3 gets like 3x battery life using a similar mAh battery leading me to believe with some optimizations to the cineos - this issue could be somewhat resolved.
agreed. The battery issue is weird. And if you need a b) cam that can do both photo and video, the R5C is def the one to go for!
Mini rig has a micro hdmi mount thing that locks it in per say
You asked who is this camera for? I’m a pro stills fashion/beauty/product/models photographer who increasingly is asked to do video as well so for me this is ideal. I don’t need it to fill every film requirement. It’s disappointing that took IBIS out but I can live with that. I’ll attach external power source for video.
Can you drop the underwater video it looks too clean
Having shot on the original BMPCC, the battery life on the R5C is way more tolerable than I thought it would be. Haha. To me, battery life is a non-issue. If I need more power, I will just add a larger battery on the rails; still lighter than our FS7 rigs at work.
It doesn't have volume control of the 3.5mm jack? For using the Rode Wireless go?
Can you shoot 180 shuttter angle?
It does, it's just buried in the menus
What conversion lut are you using for the canon r5c in clog 3?
The one from the canon website
Haven't seen this yet, but I'm guessing xlrs and NDs, right? 30m video, but hey...I'll watch.
So you didn't like no focus peaking button, no audio controls, the underwater housing issues, the HDMI port, no internal ND, battery life. Seems like you mistitled this video and you didn't even mention the lens that don't work in certain modes without supplying external power.
What underwater housing do you use for the R5C? Also do you know if there's a rental place that has them?
Salty Surf Housing. They ship to US.
@@naludog8087 Thanks for the assist. This is a great find. They're much cheaper than Nauticam. Any reason for the five thousand price difference? Is there a noticeable drop in quality with the Salty Surf Housing?
Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX DG APO HSM Macro Lens dont work in video mod with canon r5c. test this.
I still think I might make this my main camera. I can afford only one camera because I am going to do photo and video.
Switching from video to still mode has no delay on the Sony A7iv 🤷🏽♂️
Because its the same software. The R5C has to boot up an entirely new operating system
I was just hoping maybe Sony would unlock full frame 60P in 4K on the A7IV after this camera was released. I keep hearing people it cannot be done bc the sensor is a 33 megapixel and blah blah, but how does Canon Do it on a 45 megapixel camera and Sony cannot apparently? Thanks for the content.
Active cooling would be my guess as to how the R5 C has it and A7iv doesn't. I don't think think they want to unlock a feature that will absolutely cause overheating.
I’m real close to ditching my c200 and eos r for this camera. I still think it is the right decision. Or I might save up and go to Komodo. But I honestly have no idea.
you'd only regret it IF when shooting video you aren't prepared to get some sort of external battery solution. i'd also suggest an external monitor, not because of the screen quality, but size.. it isn't really super good in bright scenarios, or when you need to get critical focus or check AF.
I still thik that's a gread update. And I had both the C200 and Eos R
@@fd3871 you can turn up the luminance setting for the LCD, there’s also a 5 inch lcd hood. Then there’s of course a viewfinder on it unlike the C70
@@emilysmith7620 5inch hood for a ~3inch lcd? even incr. the luminance to max setting isn't bright enough for me in the florida sun. not to mention, too small for focusing properly.. but that's just my opinion. EVF is nice, I just rarely use this camera in a setting where it is useful.
@@fd3871 sorry I meant 3 inches, I’m using a small rig lcd hood and can see fine in daylight with it. Also using viewfinder for double checking
Buy the AC power kit.
Why not use the Titan Base? It's very low profile and gives you that versatility you were looking for with photography. You can use it on gimbals and switch it photo without blocking the screen.
haven't checked that one as it isn't available anywhere. plus it's quite expensive and you only have one battery, right?
Yeah. You only have one battery but it lasts for like 4 to 5 hours. And it’s easy to swap out if you have more than one. They run about $340 - $380 before tax.
So not too bad. I think it might be worth checking out.
@@LazerrickRobinson just checked them out. Its a 68wh battery for 3-4 the price of a regular v-mount. That doesn’t seem to reasonable :D. Plus, I doubt you’ll be able to build a balanced rig with this.
@@damiencooper Yeah, it's a little on the pricey side but the rig build is doable. Check out this video by Armando Ferreira - ua-cam.com/video/rD3-mZvdnoc/v-deo.html - his rig is a bit overkill for me but he does rig it out quite a bit with the Titan Base.
One question @monkeypixels… how does it work on photos?
Just like the R5
@@damiencooper yes but, 80% but most of the projects I do are video, but occasionally I also have photo shoots for advertisements
@@damiencooper with the new update of the r5, is it internally at the same level with the r5c? Is the heating problem solved?
where's our C400 vlog?
I’m literally boarding a plane to Burbank right now 😂
well for me af against r5/r6 its really bad, thats why im not intrested no more to buy this camera sadly :(
The canon rep is 100% wrong. All EOS C line cameras downsamples, EVEN WHEN NOT RECORDING.. R5C downsamples from 8k in most modes, and that takes a toll on the tiny battery.
This could easily be fixed by using the same mode as the photo mode of the camera, when in standby. Doing this will ease your range anxiety a lot.
Pro tip every R5C owners. Hit the “media” button, this will instantly stop the down sampling, and pause the drainage, and you are only using as much as the “photo mode”
You’re welcome.
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It is as though the canon decisions guy is on Sony's payroll secretly. " Hey let me mess with the video af and the Ibis, otherwise it will outsell Sony".
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Canon r5 looks nice bur r5c is ugly
My canon r5 got cross dead pixels from laser
Now i dont want to buy same one i want to try somthing new mainly for video
Thinkin of sony fx3, but i loved 8k on r5
Nah! I 100% would go for r5c instead of C70... Why just take away your photo ability, on a photo capable sensor!! The whole system utilizes whats given much better. Internal NDs are nice of course. There is way too many and easy workarounds...
I think the main point is good image quality. The rest kinda can be worked around. And if you look at whats been out there for the last 10 years, there realy isnt that much anything else. You can get a superb image quality on a 5dmk3 with Magic Lantern. Wich costs 400euros right now!!! And if we would compare image quality, i guess r5c is better. Actualy i would like to see some more comparrisons... But there realy isnt much in the middle! What camera has a better image that 5dmk3 with ML from past 10 years ??? Unless its a cinema camera!!!
I personaly like the image of the old movie cameras like Red one. Old reds going for 2k right now. So thats actualy affordable, that body is quite big. That image i 100 percent prefer. BUT! you cant just grab a RED one and go out shoot an event. its a different kind of camera. For staged work. For film. Sure, its probably worth dealing with it. I am 100 percent sure that just the smallness of r5c would help alot in filming a music video with small team... At least thats my thoughts, that the body size, new technology, and image quality is at a VERY high point in that thing!!! By taking many things into account its at a good mid point... I hope that battery life thing is kinda fixed though!
How can I start a UA-cam channel? this is all over the place. Sorry, my man.
OK... I think that you said it in verdict... if you want to shoot video, buy video camera... This camera is no where near the professional needs of a camera operator. It is a hybrid camera, for wannabe filmmakers that want to avoid paying for a real camera.
Having said that... I would love to get one. At my work I have professional camera, if a need arises I could always rent something even better than what I have at work. Now, as someone who likes photography and occasionally needs to own something that shoots pro/semi pro video this camera is perfect. Same goes for occasional pro photo shoot.
If you work, and need to own pro video camera, skip even c70 and go right to c300... or fx6/fx9... or venice if that is your need. If your needs are eng/occasional docu... don't even concider those above, buy z280 or z750. If you work solely as a photographer, there are other better options, Nikon immediately comes to mind, for example.
If you do a bit of this and a bit of that ... buy something like r5c and it won't sit idle at the bookshelf.
That's my 5 cents.
Absolute fucking joke of a battery, shitty little hdmi, and no ibis, and way overpriced. Just get a Z9 and be done.
Iron your shirt man! Looks messy.
aint nobody got time for that