The Last of the Starks | Game of Thrones 8x4 | FIRST TIME Reaction!
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- First Time Watching Game of Thrones 8x4 Reaction
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You are the only reactors, I've seen, that acknowledge that it was wrong of Sansa to tell (especially) Tyrion, after Jon seriously asked her not to, and also then for him to tell Varys. You're also one of the only ones to call out Vayrs' very much unhelpful actions here. Thank you for also acknowledging Dany's perspective and that it does seem like people suddenly don't like her. Well let's get these last two eps over✌️✌️I can't wait for HotD🔥🔥
i stopped trying to understand Sansa from the moment they decided to not give any proper reasoning as to why she hid the knights of the vale from Jon. Its pointless, they change her characterization episode to episode.. Theres zero consistency and very little concrete motivations to her actions.
Pretty sure every reactor I've seen has said it 🤨
I'm all for what she did. Dany was nuts and did not belong there.
The funny thing is I'm like 99% sure if Dany had said the North can be an independent kingdom, Sansa wouldn't have told Tyrion but she reaffirmed that she's taking back ALL 7 kingdoms so what does Sansa do? Cause a succession crisis with the head of House Stark (and the North) as a direct competitor which could keep the North independent while it gets sorted out.
Sansa wouldn't have ever liked Danaerys but she would not have snitched if her family and people could rule themselves while Danaerys got the 6 other kingdoms because a Targaryen she doesn't know being the sovereign of her home kingdom could (in her mind) put her family in danger of losing it all again. I'm standing by my sister Sansa here, plus she ended up being right about how Danaerys would react to threats to her claim
When I watched this again, I realized that Sansa may be the reason Daenerys was pushed to burn the city. Had Sansa honored Jon's request, maybe Daenerys doesn't feel so alone when grieving, and maybe that makes her stand down when the bells toll.
Just remember, Lady Olenna told Dany to be a dragon and Missandei's last word was Dracarys before you watch the next episode.....
Wow spoiler much
@@bradleygrand3874 that moment when they already finished all the episodes 2 or 3 weeks ago 😅
You know other people are watching game of thrones through them?
@@bradleygrand3874 so? Comment mentions somethings from seasons ago and mentioned something the episode ended on. Why r u so mad? 🤷♂️
@@bradleygrand3874it’s literally illegal to use anything other than the actual show as a market substitute. Stop crying for people who are late on a show that ended over 5 years ago lol
RIP Rheagal 💔 🐉
Dany was right.. if he tells anyone it takes a life of its own. 8 people know now. It’s information that can be used to destroy Daenerys.
I mean if she is confident in her claim, who cares. And if Jon gets the Throne, who cares too since she loves him. They would rule together in whomever gets the Throne.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 they conspired to not have them together but to just have Jon on it
@@Nattiie The day Jon told Dany she should have reacted in a positive manner like "alright let's go, the Targs are gonna rule forever biatches!". And then have Jon and Dany announce it to the whole place at Winterfell. Then they wed and that's it.
The way she looks at Dany w that cringey expression after she made Gendry lord, her whole attitude w Tyrion, he's abt to leave & wants to have a goodbye & she's so disrespectful doesn't anwer & only is like... Why her? Like... Why not?
One of the most memorable parts of season 8 is Sansa pinning the stark sigil on theon and y’all skip over it like it’s bran rambling bout nothing in the chair smh
Womp womp
it aint memorable i forgot it even happened and have never noticed it
Dracarys.
there’s another channel where a reactor used jorah’s footwear to identify him (she was wrong in that case but still). is there something i’m missing. i’ve seen this show a thousand times and never once noticed jorah’s shoes
Have u noticed how the Starks' mentality have become (only us)? Like the Lannisters & they were despised for it by the fandom but not the Starks,
Notice how they're also entitled to the seat of north, but when Dany is entitled to the throne that her house built she's blamed for it.
I mean for e.g. look at Arya w this (not if they loose their heads 1st-I don't trust her she's not 1 of us.... ) she has become 1 dimensional creepy vengeful ninja assassin & Sansa (I would remind u that house glover has pledged to house stark... )cold, mean,
& Sansa's ungrateful nature ,says Arya killed the night king, she has no regards for other's sacrifices & "not only w Dany" , or in S7 she was like.. The victory was cuz of me I called the knights of the vale, no regard to Jon or others sacrifice, her whole attitude being cersei's cheap copy,
& Bran... being bran.
The Starks "only us" mentality only exists to facilitate Dany's arc. It feels like a slow/steady rewrite of their characters for the sake of plot... Its like Tyrion suddenly becoming brain-dead.
Like imagine wanted to succeed from an entire kingdom because the queen "is not one of us.." Like wtf is this shit. It makes no sense. Imagine if Catelyn had just been weirdly hostile to Cersei in season 1.. She would've had her tongue cut out...
@@starsimvidz U described it very well👍
The show continued to give the vibe through dialogue that everyone wants Jon on the throne... Through varys, through Dany when she said I've seen the way they looked at u... Like girl.. It's the north only, it was Tormund praising him, it's the wildlings, even though northern lords in s7 were like perhaps we were wrong to chose him,
There are millions of people down south in the rest of 6 kingdoms & islands of westorous, only voices of north counts I didn't know?
Varys the hypocrite, Dany hadn't done anything wrong yet, yet he chose to betray her, over the course of months of knowing Jon he decided he's better, who the hell are u to make the decision to whether him & Dany should marry or not? Have u asked them?
& no the" best ruler isn't some1 that doesn't want to rule "u had Robert as an e.g. already he didn't want to rule
I think the book did a better job of illustrating how crazy Dany was. But even in the show, she constantly snapped at people and talked about killing and murdering but had to be talked out of it by her advisers. Varys in the show, on several occasions, seems concerned about her first inclinations. Jon is her foil as a character, and never did he once talk any slaughtering masses of people. Neither in the book or on the show. He constantly wanted to stitch together armies through the gravity of the situation at hand, and he did it honorably, through honesty and merit. Dany’s first acquisition of a significant amount of men was done through guile and murder. Though they were slave owners, that wasn’t a move Jora or Selmy would have approved of if she told them. That’s why she didn’t tell them.
But again, Dany always showed the signs of being cut throat. She needed good council to be talked out of it. And that good council is gone.
@@VonJay I was talking abt varys & the show being hypocrisy not madness but ok let's talk abt this ;
😂Actually the 1st book is enough to make u realize madness goes nowhere near Dany, her & jon are literally only candidates of prophecized hero, people tend to not realize unlike their fav. Characters they compare Dany to, Dany never had people teach her abt politics or deal w things or how the world is, she had look on her own, she never had a childhood, she was a child bride slave, abused by her brother,still found it in her heart to be compassionate & when she got some power in her hands she decides to use it to prevent others from going through what she went through, George literally said Dany & her dragons are the fire of (a song of ice and fire),while the show portrayed her more cold & confident still that doesn't make sense, it's so pathetic the way some of u are obsessed w the idea of her going mad.. out of everyone, her?
Having a temper is part of some people's personality even in real life that's not a sign of madness wtf?&when u compare her w others, compare their situation & environment too, do u know what kind of people she's dealing with? SLAVERS, those that she crucified weren't innocent even if they didn't directly participate in those children's crucification, she just should have put a trial & maybe ordered killing less, so that her enemies wouldn't use it against her, actually she was more patient w them than she should have been
@@VonJay & going down a dark path ≠going mad, in the books almost everyone (tyrion jon Arya bran) are going down a dark path, just like every fucking normal humanbeing she makes her mistakes too yes, but that doesn't make her the worst person if it did so everyone is the worst person
@@laza0202 you were talking about Varys and I addressed Varys. I said he, like many of her other council members, had to talk her out of being cut throat on various occasions. Something people never had to do with Jon. He was never inclined to do such things and never had those types of outbursts.
“having a temper is part of someone’s personality” yet she straight up murdered droves of people and robbed them of the army they were trying to sell to her. Sure they were slavers, but the action isn’t something Jon would do. That is why I said Jon is her foil. He never has those types of outbursts. Dany does all through out the books. She talks about burning and murdering droves of people. And YES it has to do with her background. Just like it has to do with Jon’s background and who his father as in Ned is. That still doesn’t mean that her actions and thoughts were balanced and just. And SO MANY OCCASIONS her council had to convince her NOT TO murder people. While Jon was the one who advised others better ways to handle conflicts.
It’s much worse in the books than it is in the show for Dany. Her POV chapters give insight to her mental state and what she covets. As do all the other pov chapters. But when it comes to her FOIL in Jon, they have starkly different musings on how to deal people.
So Varys didn’t betray anyone. He saw who Dany was and acted in the interest of the “realm,” as he told her he would. There’s no one on in the GOT universe that had similar inclinations and outbursts like Dany. The only other person I’d assume would do such a thing is Ramsey but I think he’d have more fun torturing people than saying that he’s going to burn all of king’s landing or “break the wheel” as she suggested she would burn it all down to change society.
@@laza0202 every human being has all sorts of thoughts. But they find a way to balance them. In the books, if Dany wasn’t advertised as a hero, her thoughts would be in line with Joff and Ramsey. She kills more people than Joffrey before she gets king’s landing. And that is against the advice of her council. She also kills the people who are selling her an army. She does this without informing her council because she knows they’d stop her. Tyrion had crazy thoughts, but he had good thoughts within himself to balance out the bad ones. Dany’s positive thoughts from her pov in the books come from council, and not from herself.
It's unfortunate that this wonderful series essentially ended here, in this episode... The plot doesn't make sense, the Starks seem clueless about what they're saying and doing, Jon and Tyrion are completely useless, and of course, the ultimate destruction of a character we loved, Daenerys Targaryen... The writers must have been drinking too much when they wrote the 8th season... it absolutely makes no sense... Arya says she doesn't want alliances while a minute before she said she needed Daenerys. Sansa has turned into a Cersei with Ned's clothing, Tyrion gets everything wrong, and then we wonder why they had this development in the last two episodes!!! What a shame... Lady Olenna was right from the beginning... if Daenerys had done what she wanted without listening to the idiot Tyrion, everything would have been positioned correctly... but no... let's give a good finale for the Starks... I laugh out loud
It’s all the damn showrunners fault and you got a lot of people who hated Dany saying this is who she’s been from the beginning when the writers themselves don’t really understand the characters much and they just say whatever. It was rushed so many plot holes so many characters cut out and they ruined the characters at the end.
@@ACinemafanatic My friend, the script is nonexistent, we all saw that... Even for the Night King, there are questions... I wonder, why did Jon have to be a Targaryen? What was the use of that in the script? In the fact that Arya sees murderers (you know what I mean) but she herself went to an assassin's school? In general, whatever the Starks do is morally right, and whatever the others do is wrong. However, the world understood how wrong the finale was, and this is evidenced by the fact that nobody hates Daenerys... The character development was for Theon... or Jaime... but for Daenerys, it was a disaster!!!"
I‘m not gonna defend Walder Frey… but saying he betrayed Robb only for Robb not marrying one of his daughters is a far stretch!
In book and show, Robb became the loosing side in the war with Renly‘s assassination, Stannis loosing the battle of the Blackwater and the Ironborn occupying half of the North.
The Lannister-Tyrell alliance was winning the war for sure… Lord Walder did what any sane Lord with a foot in both doorsteps would do (let’s not forget his second oldest son was married to Tywin‘s sister)… choose the winning side!
Of course the way of the betrayal is wrong and so awful and unforgivable, but they should have expected a betrayal by him (what they kind of did in the books… just not how awful it would turn out to be)
3:40 Arya used his tool alright
Been waiting on this 🙃
isn’t it crazy how now you’re saying “you miss your man jaime i know you do. i really want jaime and her to see each other again” at this point in the story? it weird how we can be disgusted by their relationship at first and end up more or less accepting of it at the end
So crazy when you put it like that! 😭
I agree. I thought Sansa was catching feelings for Theon too.
I always thought it was a trauma bond
Exactly. @@cathleenwarner1778
12:10 ohh wisdomist one😭😭
Haven't read the books but I think Sansa has a crush on Jon,which explain her dislike of Daenerys
RIP Misande & Rhagal 🕊🕊
Sansa told them, and Dany didnt listen. Thats why i'm team Sansa🔥🔥
Guys, i hated Jon not giving Ghost a proper goodbye too (Whether it was to save money & to foreshadow it's not bye for long) Jon can't be blamed for any of it. Jon not petting Ghost in awhile, that's all on the writers who let Ghost down. Ghost deserved so much better and Jon also, because he has always been a great father to Ghost & always saw him as MORE than just a Pet or wild animal. Hence why Jon let Ghost freely wonder and explore like Nymeria.
Ghost is just like Jon, who also wanted to be going north of the wall with the free folk remember. Just like Arya is like Nymeria, no desire or ambition to be a Lady/domesticated. Arya has never been like that, she's always known herself from a young age. Like she said so to Ned & Nymeria "No, thats not me"... " That's not you"
Jon has also wanted Ghost to remain with him when he went off north but Ghost wandered off on his own despite Jon calling him to stay with him & few rangers he was with b4 meeting Ygritte. Jon sending Ghost with Tormund in true north was for GHOSTS benefit guys, Jon just being his usual selfless self again. Jon put his Direwolfs happiness & protection first, taking him South would be dangerous & for Jon's selfish desire to keep his furry loved one close, but that's just not Jon lol.
Also, does anyone else notice in this episode how Jon could've saved Rhaegals life? During the war council/meeting, I noticed Jon step forward❤ to move Rhaegal's dragon token piece on the war table to him & his people (Jon basically attempted to keep Rhaegal with him, to fly back slowly with his Northern army.)
Also, ur girlfriend got bit confused about where Rhaegal & army was attacked. She thinks it was at King's landing when it was at Dragonstone.
Varys was NEVER about himself at all, u clearly don't know character if you believe that lol, to be fair Varys didn't just switch quickly either, he caught on to Dany back at Winterfell & has always been loyal to the Realm. Varys also kept his promise to Dany by comfronting her about her plan and telling her it's a mistake (Dany admiting she'll do anything, no matter the cost, is exactly why she too is a tyrant)
To me, Dracays means burn the hell outta Cersei. She’s gotta die and Daenerys needs to go straight at her. I can’t believe that Missande wants Dany to burn up innocent people. Why kill everybody that you want to be queen over?
Hey didn’t you already watch Game of Thrones on the other channel?
such a sharp downward turn in quality from this episode to the end :(
My hate list in the end of the show between the survivors is:
1- Sansa😡😡😡
2- Bran😡😡😡😡😡
3- Tyrion😡😡
Sansa, I get, but why Bran and Tyrion?
@@dwnkaomwn3953 It looks like Bran did all he did to become the king. He could help Daenarys and warn her about ambush that caused the death of raegal and misandei and finally destroying King's landing, but he didn't.
And Tyrion without any reason sold Varis and in the end support Bran to be the king and also possibly suggested that Jon must be send to the night's watch.
He also didn't introduce Jon as he was to the lords of seven kingdoms so they can consider him as an option.
I'm sure that in future Bran will become a dictator king.
In the end, I wonder what good use Bran made of his talent as the Three-Eyed Raven? All he did was discover John's true identity, which eventually usurped his rightful place.
However he built a wheelchair for himself 😂.
Do not forget his conversation with Tyrion which he said "I can not be lord of anything", and in the end he became lord of the six kingdoms!
Robert's rebellion wasn't cuz of what tyrion says, Robert didn't start the war, jon arryn did after the mad king demanded Ned & robert's head from him, after killing Ned's father & brother Brandon, after Brandon went to the red keep & shouted rhaegar's death
Rhaegals death is def one of the single stupidest moments in the entire show...
as is the entire notion that Dany wants to rush into this war w/ Cersei considering mustering an entire army w/ a baggage train etc wud b a months long effort,
but s8 now has the power of invisible armadas and teleportation
I mean it makes sense that Cersei and her group would put people with weapons in Dragonstone, they should have done it in Season 7 before Dany landed on that place. But the way it was done where Dany didn't have scouts and so forth was stupid. That she didn't see anything from the sky was stupid too.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Euron really does feel like this magical Cersei assist. He just exists to randomly appear in places and just win with impunity. Theres never an explanation as to how he does it, or the logistics of his forces. And for whatever reason, Danys forces never retalliate.. Like even back in s7 when he took our Yaras fleet... isn't she & the iron born meant to be expert sea warriors? Why wasn't there a battle there? He just magically appeared and seemed to win w/ no effort. and his entire motivation is just to "fuck the queen"???
There was a battle in s7. Euron won @@starsimvidz
@@adrianpeart yea Euron just appeared out of nowhere and won w/ zero effort against Yara and the iron fleet, who are supposed to be expert sea warriors... yara & theon took the entire iron fleet w/ them.. and yet Euron just destroys them w/ zero effort because the show needed to power down Dany
@@starsimvidz They didn’t show a long drawn out battle like you wanted. Of all the ways this show could have been filmed differently that’s a stupid thing to be rambling on about lol
Lol that city is… f****d
I know what show I’m watching, but what happened to Missandei was unnecessarily brutal. Maybe because this episode is one of the most poorly written, hamfisted bungles in the entirety of the show it sticks out so badly. I’d really be interested in Nathalie Emmanuel’s unfiltered opinion on how her character’s journey ends.
It was sooooo bad what happened to her
The inverted editing made this less enjoyable bruh.
Varys is not wrong in that the people should be what is more important and everybody knows that Jon would be a just ruler. And that the person that doesn't want to rule should be the one that should rule. Cause it's more likely that power won't go to their heads.
About Cersei, here's the thing though we know how sadistic she can be when threaten and King's Landing is about to be invaded. But while she was ruling since she took over, seems like she didn't do too bad. She didn't starve the population, she wasn't torturing the citizens. Seems to me like King's Landing is run pretty smoothly right now. So does the place needs to be "saved"?
Man, I like Sansa, but damn I wish she didn’t do that sometimes. And yes, I agree 💯, Cersei needs to go! She just wants to eliminate everyone at this point by any means necessary. She’s gotta go!
Right!
Don't hate me for this but I didn't like the Breanne and Jamie hook up. It felt good forced and she is too good for his stank a@@ 😊 I don't hate Jamie but nah. We know his loyalties and I'm happy he left, the best thing he could've done for Breanne. Breanne of Tarth is one of my favorite characters of GOT. Don't mess with my Knight!!!
Bran's storyline is so terrible ! What a joke! So many opportunities wasted. So ridiculous!
PS: Writers forgot to give Ghost a hug. wtf?
The worst!!