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Strange.. The night king only appeared when bran started warging... That guy is sus af, everyone died for him to get the throne. Isn't he the real night king?
@@TheFROMaholicFletcher Yeah, I think so as well. I hope we get Snow, and whatever they do at least indirectly addresses this. At least attempts to fix this.
Jorah and Lyana are the perfect embodiments of the famous words of their house. “Here we stand”. They stood until they could no longer, and then still stood just a bit longer.
the old bear and his sister would have been proud. house mormont's always been a smidge underrated, but boy do they deliver. it's really unfortunate that their lineage got wiped out in the show, hopefully they'll have surviving relatives in the last book. iirc maege's other 3 daughters are still alive?
my cackle faded away as soon as it hit me that bran did for a fact peace out mentally during the battle? i gotta ask because i genuinely don't know anymore. what exactly was bran doing all along? couldn't he have messed with the NK in any other way? bro's just a glorified, disabled bait right now. what went down in and out of that cave can't all have been for THIS 😭
I always figured he was warging into the past to make sure Anya would have the valyrian steel dagger . We've seen his ability to change the past so it'd affect the present. He was very purposeful in giving Arya the dagger, so I figure that's what happened somehow
@@fluffy_walrus Except it's pretty obvious he can't change the past. "The past is already written; the ink is dry." Everything Bran was going to do in the past was always going to happen, so nothing he does will change anything, as it was always going to be. He was always going to call out to his father at the Tower of Joy. He was always going to warg into Hodor and cause Hodor to become Hodor (otherwise Hodor would still have been Willis). Likewise Arya was always going to get that dagger. It wasn't a product of his green seeing, it was as simple as him just giving it to her and knowing what she would do with it.
@@bleyded - Wish they had filmed this episode by interspersing it with cut scenes of Bran having secret meetings with key characters and telling them where they needed to be and what they needed to do. For instance: telling John you need to be here at such and such moment and do this, and Arya you need to be at this place at such and such moment, etc. If they had utilized Bran and his abilities much better then they payoff of him being the 3-Eyed Raven would have been much more satisfying. Instead the audience got treated to 'I'm just gonna sit over here and watch' Bran.
The episode been dark what does that have to do with the whitewalkers been able to aura coming they did attack once before when it was dark that's why it's called the long night not the long day
ehh she still does. they respawn immediately. but that problem resolves itself immediately too because they've built a teleporter anyway. off to King's Landing! ETA: 1 minute
She was worried about the wounded. And the rest of those who survived. That's an issue they needed to solve before going to another war . But I guess that made her the villain
Everything became so stupid after season 5 they destroyed everything did not introduce a lot of important characters that why they didn't know what to do in the end even with those they were left
The Dothraki cavalry charging head on in to utter darkness, is by far, the worst tactical maneuver ever put on display in the history of film and series.
There was also no reason for them to charge. What were they charging at? It was dark, they couldn't see and they didn't even know there's enemy there...
Tactics aside.. I loved it. That’s what they did and my heart stopped beating the entire time. The roller coaster of emotions is what made this episode for me no episode or movie gave me the emotions this did
Fun fact- the writers wanted Dany to just stand there while Jorah was protecting her, but it was Emilia’s idea to have Dany pick up the sword because she doesn’t believe Dany would act so helpless
No shade to Emilia, but it tells on how much the writers were shit when an actor just goes "yeah, that's stupid and here's something 100% more obvious and better".
@@biancaingrassia7871 D&D forcing to rush the last seasons when HBO really was down with making as much content as is needed for a quality show are the only true traitors of GoT.
That scene of Melisandre taking off her collar, that almost feels like she has been a slave to her Lord and her purpose for all of her years, you can feel the burden releasing the grip it had on her, finally breathing a sigh of relief, even if she did horrific things, she thought she was doing everything to save humanity from this horrible fate, and after seeing another day dawning in the distance, the sun about to shine on a grateful and saved world, she finally is at peace, free to let go. Like, it never fails to bring a tear to my eye.
@@MMKOCH200 If Davos got his way earlier, humanity would be dead. Thoros, Beric and Malissadre made this outcome happen. All of them gave their lives to fight for the living to live. Spartan stupidity said Malissandre's necklace was her power. Thoros didn't wear a necklace. He said he has no power. His lord was his power. When Malissadre brought Jon back, nothing she did or said worked until she said please. She humbled herself realizing what Thoros already knew.
@@MMKOCH200 Let's be clear. I never said he didn't have justification for wanting her dead. So whatever you think you read isn't what I'm willing to debate. Cause and affect is what I'm talking about. Everything that happened was to get to where they got. Shirren's death and Stanis losing broke Malessandre's faith. Put her at the wall. Humbled her. So when she made her attempt to resurrected Jon, she came at it like Thoros. With no power. Remember her asking please? She asked for the lords favor like Thoros, and it was granted. I never even implied it was OK for her to sacrifice a child like other cultures have as ritualistic practice. The 7 Many Face God is the one true god. The 7 killed Ned which sent Aria to the Many Face God and was saved by R'hllor, the one true god to, kill the Knight King. They're the same god.
The Night King’s entrance music at the end is one of the best soundtracks of the entire series. The use of the piano is incredibly suspenseful and beautiful at the same time. Shoutout to Ramin Djawadi
Two things NEVER disappointed in the entire series ; the music and the visuals (even when they don't make much sense, I agree, but in the latter seasons, some shots genuinely look like oil paintings).
@Desithemidget I'm trying to think... didn't cry for Ned or Red wedding ... hmmm oh wait when stanis daughter was murdered. But Jorahs death as he took his last breaths in Daenerys' arms. I died 😢
Regardless of this season, Jorah’s death is one of the best. He died duing what most knights in Westeros yearn for. Fighting and protecting for a ruler they believe in, his Khalessi. Even better, he fought side-by-side with her to protect and for a cause greater than himself, saving humanity from a supernatural force, even fewer knights have been able to say they have done that.
So Bran was bait for the NK, ok... but what was the fucking plan?! You bait him into what exactly? Theon charging at him with a spear? They had no plan, there was nothing smart about the way they ended the NK, it was just stupid randomness. If Arya disappeared for the entire episode, to then appear with the face of a White Walker and stab the NK i wouldn've said: cool, unepxected, but it somehow makes sense, she is one of the faceless men, she somehow managed to get the face of a Walker. Or better, what if Arya took Bran's own face and layed there in his chair until the Night King reached Bran, then surprise-surprise, she swiftly gets up and stabs the fucker, then pulls down Bran's face to reveal it was her actually and that Bran sacrificed himself to give her his face... that would've still made little sense, because it wasn't freaking Arya the one who should've ended the NK, but at least it would've been original, unexpected, planned. No, they just chose to make her jump out of nowhere.
The glance by Brandon , the head tilt by night king , the hair moving as Arya blew by , to the patented switch of hands all combined with that insane musical score was INCREDIBLE!
Let's review the war strategies: we have trenches we have walls we have dragons. let's get our army outside the walls! Better yet, in front of the trenches!! Let's send them straight to the bloody enemy! Let's throw dragon fire only after the enemy is killing us!! Oh and we'll leave the weakest in the crypt. What could go wrong?
this episode was written to be emotional to please emotions not the brain.and it payed off. no other piece of entertainment had managed to pull something like this entire hour of suspense. id rather experience something new and different, than having a good stablished strategy for the battle, that wont bring anything new to the table.
@@AnkokuDragon How can you say that this episode had suspense when every time a character is about to be killed by 8 zombies they cut away, and the moment they cut back that character is perfectly fine. It happens like 24 times throughout the episode and after a while you just sort of mentally check out. As for this being something "new" and "different", it certainly was that. I've never before seen an episode that so expertly killed the themes of it's own show. Also you can't just write off good strategy as an "extra bonus" that doesn't matter. Even if we pretend that everything else in this episode wasn't equally as shit, GoT has always established itself as a show where smart strategic thinking is rewarded and poor planning and mistakes gets you killed. Until s8 this show had consequences. Remember that this plan was devised by Tyrion, Jon Snow, Jamie, and many other characters who could be listed as some of the smartest and most strategically minded people in westeros. To have THESE CHARACTERS devise THIS PLAN isn't a thing you can just shrug off. It damages their characters heavily. I get that you liked it but stop talking out of your ass. Go like it in your own time instead of arguing against something that is undeniably a flaw.
@@Fyrestar yeah cuz Jon Snow Surviving the battle of the bastards Made perfect sense as well... dont give me that BS saying until S8 the show had consequences when we even had Jon Snow resurrecting. Besides i dont see the Dohtraki following orders from others, again like i said before the episode was written to dample with emotions, them charging like that and dying in an instant brings the morale down. Also also i dont even understand the obsession for demanding a good strategy for the battle when it dosnt even matter... whatever the fuck they did, they were going to die and fail because their opponents can resurrect an grow in numbers as the battle goes, literally whats the point ?
I love how someone like Theon, who was paralyzed by fear for nearly the whole show, found the courage to charge the most intimidating person of all in the end
They didn't want to get closer to actual threats? The wights didn't care & were just a wave of bodies but the Walkers want to stay "alive" if that's what they are.
Theon is my absolute favorite character. His growth through 8 seasons is amazing. Such a well written character, you hate him in the beginning and bawl over his death. Awesome. I hope you noticed that when Jamie and Brienne were fighting back to back, their swords, made from Ned's sword Ice, were reunited once more to defend Winterfell.
34:50 _"Try to ignore how Jon’s ducking behind stone pillars to avoid Viserion’s fire, despite this exact fire blasting through those exact walls fifteen minutes ago."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
@@alexking988 and you can see a solid 50% of that fire going out the sides of his neck and face. He tries to breath fire in the air after Raegal rips open his neck and struggles. You ever like, had a hole in a straw?
@@nexeroth7151and he still easily took out multiple pillars. Besides, the wall was also taken out by a dead dragon, and that’s a lot stronger than a pillar.
Miguel Sapochnik, who directed this episode fought tooth and nail with D&D over the lack of deaths of main characters here. He wanted to kill Jorah in the initial charge along with the Dothraki to set the tone of "nobody is safe". He said he was up for killing everybody, but ultimately D&D wouldn't hear of it. Don't necessarily think everybody needed to die, but more deaths would definitely have been better as it would've shown how dangerous all of the prophecies about this war and the dead really are. Still feel the war with the Night King should've been the final 2 episodes too.
I mean it’s a bit annoying to only kill the ‘many extras we don’t know’. Like one handed Jaime lives over the Dothraki he feared so much and so many unsullied. And so many of the scenes it was just like them against tons of the walkers and it’s just not realistic. I wish Jaime died here… would’ve been far more honorable
Agreed. I severely overestimated the amount of deaths here. Sam should have died. Brienne and Jaime should have died fighting side by side. Tyrion should have died.
The way this ep unfolded almost everybody should've died. The plot armour was just borderline insulting. Why make us wait 8 seasons to hype up a threat to only kill one or two characters. Just insane writing. They saved deaths for Daenerys scorching Kingslanding which is even more insane she should've never been the final boss. it should've just been the Walkers.
@@mgp1203fuckkkk the walkers yall put so much emphasis and those blue eyes fucks 🙄 they were cool snd scary but Dany & Cersei being the true big bads was so much better.
Theon and Jorah's death truly saddened me in this episode . They both did bad things in the past ( Jorah sold slaves, Theon attacked his adopted family) but they both fought with honor here, two true knights 😢
@@jamesb7924 to be fair he had someone else burn them, he said it himself, and in game of thrones evilness scale he's not that bad, he totally redeems himself saving Sansa and sacrificing his life to save Bran
@@rosiii9 I doubt his sacrifice saved Bran, he was killed in the space of seconds. It was Bran and the Nightking having a stare off for 2 minutes which allowed Arya to arrive... that entire season is ridiculous.
Pretty much everything in this episode was a genius move. It's like writers read a lot of material about middle age battles and their tactics, then decided to do everything in an opposite way.
@@CometF81 Yeah the Mary Sue who had never seen the Night King and had trouble avoiding just one Whyte in the library is going to sneak through thousands of them and f even find the Night King never mind kill him 😂🤣😂
Arya gave Sansa a dragonglass dagger, not the Valyrian steel one. She obviously saved that for herself. Lyanna being squished by the giant was the closest I've seen to tears on Spartan. Jorah's death had me sobbing. Emilia Clarke did a FANTASTIC job and Drogon coming in at the end, who had known Jorah literally his whole life, and curled up there with Dany. Flowing tears! R.I.P. to Jorah, Theon, Ed, Lyanna Mormont, Berric, Malissandre and thousands of Dothraki and brave unsullied who sacrificed themselves for the greater good.
I think everyone needs to remember that the view of this show when spanning over many many years will be different to people that are able to binge it in a shorter time. Yes, it went downhill but it’s still one of the greatest shows ever and really highlighted how tv series can be more epic than movies
The thing about this episode is that while there is absolutely wasted potential and imperfect writing, there is still brilliant production, amazing fight choreography, and some amazing scenes. It is also FAR better than the nonsense coming in the remaining series episodes. Also, from the beginning, I really thought it should have been Jon + Arya (and maybe + Bran) bringing down the Night King.
lol the people who watched S1-S4 over the years as it released didn't think those seasons were garbage. this whole "put into perspective the differences of binge watching vs watching back in the day" is actually a really poor apologist argument that I've seen gain traction for many shows that have declined in quality drastically. there were people who watched S8 when it released and loved it. S&P would have likely reacted the same if they watched back then as they are now binge watching.
Well if you remove season 8 sure it will be one of the greatest shows, not really worth watching if the ending sucks though. Also won't be that different, as on patreon they have already finished it and they are mad at the ending and how it went down XD It's like what David benioff and Dan themself said ironically in an interview, "A show is nothing without a good ending, even if you have a fantastic show, all of that means nothing if everything that leads up to it is a bad ending" Well they just ate their own words, literally XD But I agree for it's time before season 8 it was one of the greatest, even when I and probably others started notice a shift in quality from season 6-7 compared to the first 5 seasons, Season 6 and 7 are still up on top compared to other shows.
House Mormonts words "Here we Stand" Jorah said it to Viscerys when he tried to steal the dragon eggs in season 1 and we saw it w/ Lyanna charging the giant and Jorah again standing back up and taking more blows for Dany until the fight ended.
Friendly reminder that Daenerys picking up a sword & fighting was Emilia's idea. She understands the character more than the two dumbasses who were paid to write for her. she knew that Dany would never just stand by, watch her people die for her and do nothing. "though young girls have been known to be fickle. i may still want a magic sword.” - Daenerys, ADWD "a queen am i. i would led the attack if i must. and die for them if need be." - Daenerys, ASOS
Charge the dothraki into death and darkness head-on as your first move... 10/10 strats big brain move For all the critiques; - The Dothraki are light cavalry, they have no armour, and therefore their purpose is to flank, retreat, flank etc. That charge was unjustified to the writers' incompetence. - The 'planned' scenario before Malisandra came out of nowhere was to charge the Dothraki into the skeletons with weapons that couldn't even neutralise them... this adds to how stupid the whole thing was, they were thrown in to die by the writers. - There was no kind of preparation to this battle, this is obvious. They had at least 2 days to dig fire ditches, to plant posts for visibility, to transform all blades into dragonglass blades, to set fire traps upon fire traps. But nah, all we got was *Muh Kween* , *don't have balls lololol* , *let's fuck* , *i got beef with blondie, blondie got beef with me*
@@Splickosyeah, that's the craziest part, where was the strategy here? I feel like with the manpower they had, a better plan would have been to entrap the wights in a forest on the road to winterfell that they would then set afire to kill quite a portion of them. Simultaneously, you'd enlist every able body in the winter town and it's surrounding to dig the largest moat the north has ever seen around winterfell, fill it with pitch and wood, and once everyone has retreated to winter fell, set it aflame and rain arrows and catapults on any wight still walking while Jon and Dany deal with Viserion. Or I guess you can just throw all your soldier at them in an open field I guess, what do I know...
That reminds me that Jorah used to be married. His wife was Lynesse Hightower, who spent all his money which is what drove him to resort to selling slaves. After Jorah was caught and exiled he and his wife moved to Lys as Jorah fought for the Golden Company. He didn't make a lot of money though, and his wife left him to be the concubine of a wealthy merchant. Ouch.
@@bradcarver8127 I was wondering if there were ever any good Hightowers, I had to look it up. The Mad King's Lord Commander of the Kingsguard was a Hightower. When Aegon Targaryen came to conquer Oldtown, they welcomed him and kneeled immediately to protect their people. And the ancient Hightowers were pro-education and helped to create the Citadel.
Just a little fact, the dagger that arya used to kill the nightking is called catspaw. That is the same dagger that viserys targaryen had in house of the dragon, the one that had imprinted aegon's prophecy about the prince that was promised.
The dagger is not called "Catspaw". It's sometimes known as the Catspaw Dagger, because it was the dagger used by the catspaw who attempted to assassinate Bran. A catspaw is someone who's been tricked into doing someone else's dirty work.
@@williamshelton4318 Regardless of your thoughts on the matter "the catspaw" is how that otherwise unnamed character is referred to within the ASoIaF community, and always has been. That's what's relevant when explaining why some people mistake the term for the name of the actual blade. If you believe everyone else has been wrong all these years, that's your prerogative, but doesn't invalidate what I said.
I really agree with Spartan on the point of making more of Bran's storyline. In my opinion it would have been really awesome to see sort of a mental battle between the night king and Bran / Three Eyes Raven involving some of the visions about night walker origins or something, maybe through utilising Bran's warging ability to get into his mind. Presedence was already set with Hodor - so I really thought this was where it was going! As Spartan says this could be the distracting factor that makes Arya's kill more believable.
The Night King doesn't exist in the books, but I hope to see an astral plane battle between Bran and Euron, who is theorized to be the dangerous failed student of Bloodraven.
Or maybe Bran could've warged into Nymeria, who distracts the Night King by attacking him. He kills her, but that distraction is what leaves him open to Arya jumping in there.
Arya's character arc against the Night King: S08E01: Finds out about Night King S08E02: Finds out Night King is "Really Bad" from Gendry S08E03: Kills Night King.
I wonder what the effect of binging the show after it’s release does to someone’s perspective of the ending. Because if you watched it for years like some of us, to watch the show become so well known and cover every inch of pop culture entertainment, for its main villain and conflict to end like this… is so incredibly disappointing and frustrating. “Winter is coming” was said for years, well it came and lasted one episode.
@@whateverdoesntmatter9868tbh, it's not unnatural for them to hang on to the things they like about the show until the very end of the show and only turn on it in hindsight then. Like for me, while I was somewhat disappointed in this episode, I told myself that if they're deciding to blitz through the Long Night, it must mean they have some really good stuff they want to get to afterwards. It's only at the end that I accepted that there is no twist or upside the the mediocre choices the creators made in the latest seasons.
From a binging perspective, they haven't had the chance to re-watch the whole show yet as we all did for years before these last two seasons... They will probably only feel it when they re-watch and it can think "yeah wtf were they thinking", truly feels like two different shows
My main disappointment in this episode was Bran. The writers could've done so much with the type of power he had. He could've had a much more significant role than just the bait. That being said, it's still an epic episode and I'll never forget watching Arya kill the Night King for the first time! My mouth was just hanging open.
@@themajesticcamel Oh yes, forgot about that. I guess we were meant to assume that he already knew what was going to happen, so he was just like "I'll just chill here."
I was thinking about this while Spartan was nit-picking, and I came up with an idea. (Granted I didn't think of this when it originally aired.) But, Bran could have attacked the whites with his dire wolves just before Aria attacked at a slight distraction to help her out a bit. That would have made some sense.
@@thinkhector yeah he just legit did nothing lmao. this is where the lazy writing begins. give me few minutes and I'd think of smtn more epic than what was given to Bran, am surprised these producers/writers getting paid millions a month couldn't be bothered to invest more thought.
@@teutonicAnon Except for Gengis Khan, Subutai, Julius Caesar, Pompey, Hannibal, Alexander the great, Pyrrus of Epirus, Claudius Marcellus, Henry V, Richard the Lionheart, Lasalle, Harald Hardråde and numerous other viking commanders, Zhang Liao, Khalid in Al-Waleed, Shaka Zulu and countless other commanders throughout time and from all over the world. Generals leading from the front didn't stop until relatively recently around the 18th century.
Which is a damn shame cause the guy who plays the Night King actually helps choreographs a lot of the sword fights in GoT. Such a missed opportunity to at least see an epic one on one fight against Jon Snow.
Jojen: You saw the White walkers and the army of the dead." Sam: How do you know that Jojen" The night's watch can't stop them, Westeros and all their armies can't stop them." How does anyone take that quote and all the great build up and foreshadowing seriously when you try to rewatch this show. The show should literally just stop after season 6. Throw season 7 and 8 away and pretend it's a parody.
Perfect first reaction! Exactly what I was hoping for! I first watched your reaction and the read some of the comments. That is why I love your reactions sooo much! I was so emotional the first time I watched season 8, that I did not know how to react. All the logical thinking went out the window 😂 only after the emotions wore off a bit and rewatched some parts I saw all the countless plot holes. Still, I can absolutely relate to your first ever reactions and people in the comments seems to expect you to just smile and point out all the stuff that are not ok. But then they forget we had like years to have these episodes processed and dissected. I don't know about everyone else, but I felt exactly the same like you did the FIRST time I watched it. I was emotional, I could not breath and I did not think about war tactics. All this came later. You are perfect, guys! ❤
I am in 100% agreement with you. The 1st time I watched this episode, it was too emotional for me to be able to process anything else except the atrocious lightning 🙄 lol.
I didn't like not being able to see anything for 90% of the battle, 99% characters surviving being literally swarmed by undead (we see them being almost ripped apart and almost dying) just because they needed to and had plot armour. And then super human Arya ending the biggest threat of the world by doing super jump at Night King and tricking him with dropping dagger?? He literally could have strangled her in 1 second, but D&D just wanted that army of the dead nuisance fast out the picture. So they could focus on more important stuff like ending this show quickly, and then they could get to work on their Star Wars project (and they didn't even got it in the end 🤣). It's just too bad it had to end this way...
Theon s1e1 character, Jorah s1e1 character. Absolutely vital to the story, yet some indeed complained that not enough deaths of main characters. Jorah saying the last words to Dany "I'm hurt..." still rips me.
for that chaos of a battle ofcurse it's not enough...the fact that sam, podrick and a one handed jamie survived that being attacked by multiple enemys at once for so long is ridiculous and no saginifcant character died in the crypts is just plot armor at its best.
Yes, they are both important to the story, but they are still just side characters, not main characters. Besides, their loss was not too painful because their story was told. That was completely different with Ned's or Oberyn's death, for example.
I enjoyed season 7 and 8 and accepted them for what they were. The writing was very different and extremely disappointing in a few of the storylines. For me the last 2 seasons don’t define how wonderful this show is overall. This will be my favorite show until the end of days. Of course I’m still hoping a certain sequel is made to fix what was definitely broken in the series finale! Lol
@@kellifranklin9872 that's completely fair! I tried to accept them but failed and really fell out of love with what was my favourite show . Hotd has actually bought back some of my love of the universe which I'm grateful for.
@@Adam-xg1ch you held on for a while! I lost confidence in season 5 when they butchered dorne, and littlefingers character by giving sansa away. Arguably a stupid decision by Roose as well.
As an animal, would make more sense if ghost stay at the back protecting bran or assisting someone familiar (someone from the north/wildling) instead of actively charging at the front with strangers (jorah and the dothraki).
@@williamshelton4318 ngl though, be kinda sick if Ghost had Valyrian steel implants/caps on his canines 🐕 _Gendry, where you at bro? I got a commission..._
@@arobin6695 Jorah & a handful of Dothraki also survived though? Probably the ones all near Ghost & they only got out by watching each other's backs as they ran.
I sometimes get the feeling that they actively try to love it just so that they can love it. Spartan or Pudgey will point out the largest plot hole, weak storytelling, or wasted potential and then follow it up with "this episode was fantastic". Also, I completely disagree that "any way the White Walkers are defeated would be unfulfilling". Spartan is lying when he said he didn't want Jon to 1v1 the Night King and win. That would have been epic. That was clearly where the story was going. They even bring up all of the stare offs and close calls between the Night King and Jon. It is a pretty clear attempt to "subvert expectations" to have Arya gain the ability to fly just so that she can kill the Night King while Jon... has a staring contest with a dragon... The thing about subverting expectations is that it can easily be done poorly, such as in this episode.
That's one of the pitfalls of binge-watching a show with hardly any breaks between episodes. You get caught up in all of it without having the benefit of time to stand back and really digest what happened in an episode before you're on to the next one.
😂 Somebody told me recently in the comments that that's because their channel grew a lot bcs of this series so they have "special considerations" let's say with GOT. That's the better explanation I can find 😅.
to be honest its just as simpme as fresh off watching this episode it was an absolutely beautiful spectacle. after some digestion time we were both able to see how much missed potential there was in the way it ended and how many plot holes were left unanswered. that's often the benefit of hindsight and for many having years to dogest. we are just giving our fresh and live feelings as we go.
@@SpartanandPudgeydon't listen to haters this episode was friggin awesome. You can literally watch videos of theatre's of people celebrating at the end of this episode.
"I can't see anything" . Exactly, Spartan . EXACT-FU*KING-LY RIP to Queen Lyanna Mormont, the Giant slayer . And to Theon, he did Ned proud during his last moments.
I felt a bit like you two did after I first saw the episode; kind of emotionally exhausted and a bit lost for words. Then I thought about it a bit later and realises how disappointed I was, especially with the arya bit. Such an unearned kill of the night king. It should have been Jon or Bran that killed him, not someone who'd never seen him before and didn't know anything about him. It was also a huge missed opportunity, in terms of explaining what the meaning behind the white walker symbols was and why the night king wanted to rule. GOT could never recover from this, as far as I was concerned.
Literally the build up of all the cryptic symbols and their desire to take over - then for it to just end leaving the night king as this one-dimensional villain. And don’t get me started on the emphasis on Bran’s powers, for them to literally serve zero purpose as well 😅
I know this episode is utterly shit and disappointing in so many ways. So many things left unanswered it just goes to show they were doing it for the visual wow factor as opposed to keeping it true to character story lines and build ups over the past seasons. I really really hate the choices of this season. There were so many other possibilities they could have gone with.
8 years. 8 years of build up and hype for this battle. Winter was coming. And the army of the dead goes out with a whimper. The most anticlimactic crap and an insult to fans. There should have been at least 5 main character deaths... actual stakes and repercussions for the biggest threat in the entire series. Oh well.
37:40 *_"And so Arya kills the Night King._* _Arya. Who has had no meaningful story connection with the fight against the White Walkers. She was the last member of House Stark to return to Winterfell and the least involved in the preparations to fight. This comes perhaps a little bit out of left field. The showrunners later stated that they chose Arya to kill the Night King specifically to subvert expectations. Meaning that they set up seven and a half seasons of other people being more involved with this plot and Arya not being very involved with this plot only to throw it away for a “fooled you!” While I’m sure it was satisfying to the writers, it’s not very much fun for a viewer. When we invest years in watching characters realise the extent of their problems and seek to solve them, having the writers yank the payoff away right at the very end with a _*_“nope! Someone else solved it!’_*_ is not a good return."_ _"Plus, while _*_“wow, wouldn’t have picked that!”_*_ is the end result, it’s not the _*_“I wouldn’t have picked that!”_*_ which comes from creative use of foreshadowing and careful structural and thematic development so that everything falls into place in an unexpected yet logical way. This is the “I wouldn’t have picked that!” which resulted from there being nothing to pick at all. It’s a plot twist divorced from the plot."_ *-TURTLE PACED*
Deleted scene: The battle is lost, Jaime and Brienne barely escape in the high tower. Facing certain death, they go for a shag but Arya suddenly enters and stands there, watching, dagger in hand. Jaime pushes her out the window as the Night King is walking by. The scene was left out because the lighting wasn't good.
Omg, I couldn't wait for your reaction to this episode and loved it so much. Pudgey had me teary as soon as it started and no words to Spartan crying 😢....even though I've watched this series sooo many times, your reaction brought up all the feels again. Thanks guys 😊❤
Seeing Spartan this emotional finally, brought tears to my eyes. And Pudgy is her standard adorable self as always, sharp and attentive and emotional. ❤
Hilarious how Jons last attempt at taking out Viserion was to scream at him, he thought he was going to die regardless, so he decided to scream, not attack, just scream lol.
It would have been more epic for him if he picked up burning debry, threw them in one direction while in cover and move in the other direction, slide under the beast in its moment of distraction and slash it's neck from beneath.
I remember someone calling Lyanna stupid and not wise for frontlining when she cohld just stay in the crypt-like what? She was born a WARRIOR what do you expect?
@@2BigFooted God you 2 are special aren't you? I'm 52 and Todd the mods in the beginning if their reactions to make sure they were ready to tell them to brighten for this ep. SOOOO ...
Imagine setting up the Jon Snow vs Night King duel and prince that was promised of ice and fire for 8 seasons then making the writing decision for Arya to kill the night king. Awful, just awful
They had to change all the scripts because people online already figured out the ending. They made every decision on shock value and through the story out the door.
what makes the dothraki scene even worse is that melisandre showed up at literally the last minute without anyone knowing. so the plan was to send them charging with just regular weapons, no flame, which we’ve been shown time and time again will not stop a single wight. so yea the plan was to lose thousands of soldiers while literally not killing 1 enemy. thanks d&d!
Trophy for the Most useless: Jon Snow, Dotrakis, Bran, White Walkers Trophy for the Biggest plot armor: Sam, Brienne, Jaime, Pod Trophy for Worst Battleplan in TV/Movie History: All the people in the War Room Trophy for the Most convenient out of Nowhere Retcon: Blue eyes, Green eyes, Brown Eyes, Orange Eyes, etc... Trophy for Teleportation: You think Season 7 was bad with Euron? We have Arya Trophy for Fan Service: Lyanna Mormont, Arya Trophy for Contradiction: Sansa not knowing how to use a pointy object. I thought that Arya said:"She's the most intelligent person I've ever met"? Trophy for Memory Loss: Putting the weakest people with the dead even though Jon Snow already saw the Night King raise the Dead! ah ha ha
"I know the warging is gonna amount to something" "He's warging for a reason, remember" "Whats Bran gonna do?" BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA yeah well.... on that note FUCK D&D!!!
At "Theon, you´re a good man. Thank you" i cried like i never had in my life. People hate the last season, but Theon's storyline is one of the best storylines in the series from start to finish. The final satisfaction that came after all his hardships with this thanks is brilliant. I cried tears like peas.
Naa... just sending the cavalry in first... being outside the castle walls rather than behind them... ceasing to use catapults after that first salvo... not having more than one trench for fire (or only a thin trench)... landing and staying on the ground with the dragons so they lose all the benefit of being, ya know, dragons... putting the women and children in a place surrounded by the dead... oh... I guess you're right. Opposite Day it is. 🥲
There is an endless army of bodies. The goal isn't to magically win the battle. It's to keep Bran alive until the Night King can be drawn out. Keeping the waves of attack varied & spaced out is just buying time vs trying to win.
Even though this season is rightfully criticized enough already, I don't think enough people truly understand just how much this episode fucks the entire show. The white walkers have been built up since literally the very first scene of the show. They are the big threat. They are the final problem. Or at least... They should have been. For 7 seasons, the core message of game of thrones has always been that we should put aside our petty differences and squables, because when faced with death, none of it actually matters. Even ignoring the fact that Jon and Bran got to do absolutely nothing in this episode when this should have been the climax of their stories. Even ignoring the fact that Arya was the one to kill the night king despite only hearing about him 1 episode ago. Even ignoring the fact that they never explained things like why the night king wanted Bran, or what the meaning of the symbols were, or what the night king even was or wanted... Even ignoring all that, this episode still commits the biggest sin you can commit in a show, which is to completely backtrack on 7 seasons worth of storytelling. Forget the core themes and the storylines of numerous characters because the night king in the end meant nothing! The long night lasted 50 minutes! Winter came and nobody even died! Cersei is the final boss of the show now! Even ignoring all of the sheer incompetence that went into the writing of this episode to begin with, The Long Light would still be one of the most shameful and damaging things ever put on television purely for the fact that it wasn't the final battle of the show. It's not just wasted potential... It's a waste of 7 seasons of build up.
@@AP-RSI literally. What did bro even want him for? The answer is that the writers needed a reason for him to enter winterfell so that he could be killed (even tho if his goal was just to kill Bran, he could have just flown the dragon in and instakilled him with dragonfire).
sansa is the most overrated, power hungry character in the show. she only cares about her rank and sacrifced half of the northenrs fighting in the battle of the bastards just so she could be the savior of the battle.
@@RedDead_DaveYou do remember her arguing with Jon they didnt have enough men. Her sending a raven to Littlefinger with no guarantee he would show up and not hand her back to Ramsey. She had Brienne threaten LF. LF never forgives slights. He brought the army when he wanted to bring them. Jon running to save Rickon instead of sending anyone else caused his army to forget their tactics.
@@stacywhisenant6242she didnt even tell john we might have the eyries army. You dont think she could have said..."jon wait a bit we might have the eyrie on our side" she is the one who already gave up on ricon before the battle even started. Probably happy cause she thought she was the only stark left at that point. She is beyond saving the actions she did
Theon was the best-written character in the whole story and Alfie Allen was the best actor too. Like so many characters ended the series as different people than they began but none of their arcs were as coherent as Theon's. It's like Theon was a fully realized character and every motivation from the first episode to the last came from the same core person. Arya, Bran, Jamie...they all had such sharp turns that made them feel unrecognizable. Even more subtle changes like the one's in the Hound and Sam felt less fleshed out and too indulgent. Theon's was so nuanced and organic and relatable and it made him such a tragic hero of the story. Alfie should have won every Emmy for his performance. And I think his death was a good death--a true redemption--but part of me did want to see his and Sansa's story play out a little more. I'm glad they gave us a glimpse of that potential even if it never manifested.
I think you are nit picking because you are basically in shock that after all the horrors they have done it was a young girl who managed to kill them her father would be so proud i have watched this a dozen times and it still thrills me what she did and the admiration in Brans eyes for his warrior sister just fucking epic xx
@22:30 : they are both Oathkeepers, and each of them is wielding half of Ice, the Stark ancestral sword. It is a thing of beauty that Ned’s blade is back in Winterfell to fight the biggest battle the North has ever seen.
12:58 *ALL HAIL QUEEN DAENERYS STORMBORN OF HOUSE TARGARYEN, FIRST OF HER NAME, THE UNBURNT, QUEEN OF THE ANDALS, THE RHOYNAR AND THE FIRST MEN, QUEEN OF MEEREEN, KHALEESI OF THE GREAT GRASS SEA, PROTECTOR OF THE REALM, LADY REGENT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, BREAKER OF CHAINS AND MOTHER OF DRAGONS!!!*
Watching you guys enjoy this episode actually gives me a newfound appreciation for it. I think binging it gave you guys a different perspective. Having a decade of watching the seasons of the show, and having read the books multiple times during that span, I had extremely lofty expectations that were always going to be impossible to be met on screen. While I still have some issues, there's a whole lot to appreciate as well. Cheers!
Arya killing the Night King was epic, but the show really missed the mark here when it comes to the prophecy of the “prince or princess that was promised”. It was supposed to be a Targaryen, so either Jon or Dany. That didn’t end up going anywhere left GOT fans frustrated.
Even in HOTD if you’d watch it back, Viserys has the exact same dagger Arya used to kill the Night King. Then Viserys talks about the prophecy about a Targaryen (so what happened in GOT) & it really doesn’t make sense why Arya killed him, even though they tried to “foreshadow” a bit to make it makes sense with the Red woman. Neither does why HOTD still pushes this narrative. Hopefully HOTD somehow explains it.
You're right and wrong "The prince or princess that was promised" never meant one of them had to kill the Knight king it was never about that I think it meant that one of them was suppose to end up on the Throne in the End and Niether of that happened because the writers changed the show lmao
@@Bon-Gi True but to be fair I think Aryia killing him was foreshadowed way before they start foreshadowing John or associating John with him and it's easy to forget that because Ariya killing him was only foreshadowed once while John foreshadowing was done a lot more after if that makes sense
I always thought they missed a huge opportunity here. Arya should have had nothing to do with the Night King...she had never ONCE been involved in the White Walker storyline and having her kill the Night King is ridiculous, even with the retconned prophecy they try to justify it with. Arya has ALWAYS been after Cersei and should have been given something to do in that plot. If Jaime had died in the battle, she could have taken his face and used it to get close to Cersei after the battle (they could have even left Jaime's death ambiguous so they have a "big reveal" moment where we assumed it was actually Jaime going back like he did in the show).
@@BhBc8f8that’s what I was gonna say. When I first watched it I liked it a lot. About a couple of days later and a lot of thinking I changed my opinion a log
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Yes. The sad, pathetically stupid ending to an epically awesome series matters (to the extent a TV show ever matters). It kills the rewatchability of the series, kills the feeling that this was one of the great shows of all time. It all ends up in a moronic, anti-climatic ending that abandons every hint of foreshadowing, betrays every subplot and character, and smothers one's memory of GoT overall. Not just this (boring, stupid, dingy) ending to the "Ice" aspect of the song of fire and ice. But the remaining episodes as well. Hot garbage from this point to the end. This show wasn't great because of the visuals (although those were top-notch). It wasn't great because of the acting (also very good throughout). It was great because of the writing! And that died a horrible, humiliating death in season 8.
This show was 10 years of my life!! Loved every moment. Hence why I come to watch through the eyes of others. Possibly I’ve watched the whole lot at least 7 or 8 times. Still you learn something. Was a journey of emotional rollercoaster.
Spartan crying from @24:25 haha. First time I've seen you almost tear up man. This is why I love this channel. Spartan and Pudgey one of the best reactors on this platform.
Problem with Arya killing the night king is the following: What is the point of the prophecy of the prince that is promised. Either Daenerys or John should have been the one to kill him.
Guys , all day at work I had Podrick singing Jenny of Old Stones in my head with this feeling of sadness and loss because episode two made us say goodbye to all our beloved carachters (I loved ep 2) . The anxiety grew and grew going home with only GOT in my head . I couldn't believe and I was feeling a bit ashamed that I was feeling that way for fictional people.... at home with my husband watching it I didn't have to contain myself and I swear I was shaking with anxiety and my stomach was like a stone , couldn't eat or drink . Then I just started literally sobbing, much louder for Theon and Jorah with the help of Sir Djawadi's music. I was more than a wreck , so Pudgey you are not alone and , Spartan , I saw a little tear in your right eye , u were fast to dry it but I saw it!
The fact the northerners put the foreign armies outside whilst they stayed behind their walls. Then the northerners had the nerve to act arrogant later when they had fled whilst the Unsullied protected them. People like Sansa and Arya. The Starks were so unlikeable later.
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The knight king fell where Winter fell
Strange.. The night king only appeared when bran started warging... That guy is sus af, everyone died for him to get the throne. Isn't he the real night king?
BB a true masterpiece!
Breaking Bad is a real winner
@@TheFROMaholicFletcher Yeah, I think so as well. I hope we get Snow, and whatever they do at least indirectly addresses this. At least attempts to fix this.
Jorah and Lyana are the perfect embodiments of the famous words of their house. “Here we stand”. They stood until they could no longer, and then still stood just a bit longer.
Wow that’s crazy. Never put that together. “Here we stand”
This.
@@trevorharris4647 he also says it to viserys in season 1 when he tries to take the eggs, excellent scene.
the old bear and his sister would have been proud. house mormont's always been a smidge underrated, but boy do they deliver. it's really unfortunate that their lineage got wiped out in the show, hopefully they'll have surviving relatives in the last book. iirc maege's other 3 daughters are still alive?
@@bleyded I'm sure Jorah got a couple of bastards out there that could be legitimized.
Upon rewatching the series, Theon's journey is one of my favorites. Alfie does such an amazing job.
because he dies pointlessly?
@@Laketwigdoes he?there is no purpose for him anymore,this was the end of his arc
@@barry2349 yeah it what happends when you dont write story or motivation for a character.
Actual crime that he wasn't given every emmy
100% Absolutely agree. And Jora as well
Pudgey said “Theon, you’re a good man” on one of the earlier reactions. Does this mean she’s the three eyed raven?
The teary-eyed Raven? 😥🐦
Might as well be. Bran did the reactions for Pudgey and Spartan combined, and not much else.
@@NavsangeetSinghhuh?
@@lalalalala198 Even I don't fully remember what I meant back then lmao.
@@NavsangeetSingh God, that's so three-eyed raven of you
First 'The Light of the Seven' and then 'The Night King' theme. Ser Ramin Djawadi, you have my utmost respect.
I LOVE that theme
sad that it was wasted on this
two incredible pieces
You can hear variants of these themes when Ramin did the score for Westworld.
"I know the warging is going to amount to something" THE WAY I CACKLED
my cackle faded away as soon as it hit me that bran did for a fact peace out mentally during the battle? i gotta ask because i genuinely don't know anymore. what exactly was bran doing all along? couldn't he have messed with the NK in any other way? bro's just a glorified, disabled bait right now. what went down in and out of that cave can't all have been for THIS 😭
@@bleyded bro was just checking his emails while the battle he spent 8 seasons preparing for was going on around him
I always figured he was warging into the past to make sure Anya would have the valyrian steel dagger . We've seen his ability to change the past so it'd affect the present. He was very purposeful in giving Arya the dagger, so I figure that's what happened somehow
@@fluffy_walrus Except it's pretty obvious he can't change the past. "The past is already written; the ink is dry." Everything Bran was going to do in the past was always going to happen, so nothing he does will change anything, as it was always going to be. He was always going to call out to his father at the Tower of Joy. He was always going to warg into Hodor and cause Hodor to become Hodor (otherwise Hodor would still have been Willis).
Likewise Arya was always going to get that dagger. It wasn't a product of his green seeing, it was as simple as him just giving it to her and knowing what she would do with it.
@@bleyded - Wish they had filmed this episode by interspersing it with cut scenes of Bran having secret meetings with key characters and telling them where they needed to be and what they needed to do. For instance: telling John you need to be here at such and such moment and do this, and Arya you need to be at this place at such and such moment, etc. If they had utilized Bran and his abilities much better then they payoff of him being the 3-Eyed Raven would have been much more satisfying.
Instead the audience got treated to 'I'm just gonna sit over here and watch' Bran.
This ep was so dark even the Night King's guards didn't see Arya coming
The episode been dark what does that have to do with the whitewalkers been able to aura coming they did attack once before when it was dark that's why it's called the long night not the long day
@@joshuasutton355 It's called sarcasm
@@joshuasutton355woosh
@@joshuasutton355you missed the joke
@@joshuasutton355words hard life tough urg go sleep now... face ass
Well now Sansa doesn’t have to worry about feeding the remaining 20 people
ehh she still does. they respawn immediately. but that problem resolves itself immediately too because they've built a teleporter anyway. off to King's Landing! ETA: 1 minute
Yes the population of King's Landing and Winterfell drastically dropped so no more famine
You mean half lol
She was worried about the wounded. And the rest of those who survived. That's an issue they needed to solve before going to another war . But I guess that made her the villain
Everything became so stupid after season 5 they destroyed everything did not introduce a lot of important characters that why they didn't know what to do in the end even with those they were left
The Dothraki cavalry charging head on in to utter darkness, is by far, the worst tactical maneuver ever put on display in the history of film and series.
So dumb I couldn't believe it!
There was also no reason for them to charge. What were they charging at? It was dark, they couldn't see and they didn't even know there's enemy there...
They just got the buff of flame sword they was excited 😆
It’s not real🤡
Tactics aside.. I loved it. That’s what they did and my heart stopped beating the entire time. The roller coaster of emotions is what made this episode for me no episode or movie gave me the emotions this did
Fun fact- the writers wanted Dany to just stand there while Jorah was protecting her, but it was Emilia’s idea to have Dany pick up the sword because she doesn’t believe Dany would act so helpless
that tells you how 'lackluster' the final season writers were and relied on an actress to be more creative ... eyeroll
No shade to Emilia, but it tells on how much the writers were shit when an actor just goes "yeah, that's stupid and here's something 100% more obvious and better".
Fun fact- the writers were literal buffoons
The writers of this season are the true traitors of GOT
@@biancaingrassia7871 D&D forcing to rush the last seasons when HBO really was down with making as much content as is needed for a quality show are the only true traitors of GoT.
That scene of Melisandre taking off her collar, that almost feels like she has been a slave to her Lord and her purpose for all of her years, you can feel the burden releasing the grip it had on her, finally breathing a sigh of relief, even if she did horrific things, she thought she was doing everything to save humanity from this horrible fate, and after seeing another day dawning in the distance, the sun about to shine on a grateful and saved world, she finally is at peace, free to let go. Like, it never fails to bring a tear to my eye.
Davos watching it was very fitting given their history.
@@MMKOCH200 If Davos got his way earlier, humanity would be dead. Thoros, Beric and Malissadre made this outcome happen. All of them gave their lives to fight for the living to live. Spartan stupidity said Malissandre's necklace was her power. Thoros didn't wear a necklace. He said he has no power. His lord was his power. When Malissadre brought Jon back, nothing she did or said worked until she said please. She humbled herself realizing what Thoros already knew.
@@clownafra6088 Davos was 100% justified for her role in Shireens death.
@@MMKOCH200 Let's be clear. I never said he didn't have justification for wanting her dead. So whatever you think you read isn't what I'm willing to debate. Cause and affect is what I'm talking about. Everything that happened was to get to where they got. Shirren's death and Stanis losing broke Malessandre's faith. Put her at the wall. Humbled her. So when she made her attempt to resurrected Jon, she came at it like Thoros. With no power. Remember her asking please? She asked for the lords favor like Thoros, and it was granted. I never even implied it was OK for her to sacrifice a child like other cultures have as ritualistic practice. The 7 Many Face God is the one true god. The 7 killed Ned which sent Aria to the Many Face God and was saved by R'hllor, the one true god to, kill the Knight King. They're the same god.
@@clownafra6088 no, I just meant I understood why he wanted her dead. Your point is still valid regardless.
The Night King’s entrance music at the end is one of the best soundtracks of the entire series. The use of the piano is incredibly suspenseful and beautiful at the same time. Shoutout to Ramin Djawadi
It’s also a bit of a call back to when cerci blew up the sept of baylor beautiful composition
Light of the seven is 😘
Absolutely agree, I bought the MP3 of that, and the Dothraki charge, amazing soundtrack
Two things NEVER disappointed in the entire series ; the music and the visuals (even when they don't make much sense, I agree, but in the latter seasons, some shots genuinely look like oil paintings).
There's one Long May She Reign, where they combined Raines of Castamere and Light of the Seven
Jorah's death ripped me! He didn't go down until he knew his Queen was safe. I cried for Jorah more then Theon in that moment.
And for some strange reason we find out on latter episodes that he was actually the only one that died in this battle.
Jorrah was the only person I cried for in this show.
@Desithemidget I'm trying to think... didn't cry for Ned or Red wedding ... hmmm oh wait when stanis daughter was murdered. But Jorahs death as he took his last breaths in Daenerys' arms. I died 😢
Regardless of this season, Jorah’s death is one of the best. He died duing what most knights in Westeros yearn for. Fighting and protecting for a ruler they believe in, his Khalessi. Even better, he fought side-by-side with her to protect and for a cause greater than himself, saving humanity from a supernatural force, even fewer knights have been able to say they have done that.
@@Desithemidget crazy how they redeemed his character so much. in the book hes lowkey a weirdo whos desperately trying to fuck a 14 year old
So Bran was bait for the NK, ok... but what was the fucking plan?! You bait him into what exactly? Theon charging at him with a spear? They had no plan, there was nothing smart about the way they ended the NK, it was just stupid randomness. If Arya disappeared for the entire episode, to then appear with the face of a White Walker and stab the NK i wouldn've said: cool, unepxected, but it somehow makes sense, she is one of the faceless men, she somehow managed to get the face of a Walker. Or better, what if Arya took Bran's own face and layed there in his chair until the Night King reached Bran, then surprise-surprise, she swiftly gets up and stabs the fucker, then pulls down Bran's face to reveal it was her actually and that Bran sacrificed himself to give her his face... that would've still made little sense, because it wasn't freaking Arya the one who should've ended the NK, but at least it would've been original, unexpected, planned. No, they just chose to make her jump out of nowhere.
lol holy shit kid its not that serious.
The glance by Brandon , the head tilt by night king , the hair moving as Arya blew by , to the patented switch of hands all combined with that insane musical score was INCREDIBLE!
Let's review the war strategies:
we have trenches
we have walls
we have dragons.
let's get our army outside the walls!
Better yet, in front of the trenches!!
Let's send them straight to the bloody enemy!
Let's throw dragon fire only after the enemy is killing us!!
Oh and we'll leave the weakest in the crypt.
What could go wrong?
You don't understand that the strategy was to bide time as the only way to win was to kill the NK.
yeah, they know anybody who dies goes to army of the dead. Who in their right mind would decide to attack them head on?
this episode was written to be emotional to please emotions not the brain.and it payed off. no other piece of entertainment had managed to pull something like this entire hour of suspense. id rather experience something new and different, than having a good stablished strategy for the battle, that wont bring anything new to the table.
@@AnkokuDragon How can you say that this episode had suspense when every time a character is about to be killed by 8 zombies they cut away, and the moment they cut back that character is perfectly fine. It happens like 24 times throughout the episode and after a while you just sort of mentally check out.
As for this being something "new" and "different", it certainly was that. I've never before seen an episode that so expertly killed the themes of it's own show.
Also you can't just write off good strategy as an "extra bonus" that doesn't matter. Even if we pretend that everything else in this episode wasn't equally as shit, GoT has always established itself as a show where smart strategic thinking is rewarded and poor planning and mistakes gets you killed. Until s8 this show had consequences. Remember that this plan was devised by Tyrion, Jon Snow, Jamie, and many other characters who could be listed as some of the smartest and most strategically minded people in westeros. To have THESE CHARACTERS devise THIS PLAN isn't a thing you can just shrug off. It damages their characters heavily. I get that you liked it but stop talking out of your ass. Go like it in your own time instead of arguing against something that is undeniably a flaw.
@@Fyrestar yeah cuz Jon Snow Surviving the battle of the bastards Made perfect sense as well... dont give me that BS saying until S8 the show had consequences when we even had Jon Snow resurrecting. Besides i dont see the Dohtraki following orders from others, again like i said before the episode was written to dample with emotions, them charging like that and dying in an instant brings the morale down. Also also i dont even understand the obsession for demanding a good strategy for the battle when it dosnt even matter... whatever the fuck they did, they were going to die and fail because their opponents can resurrect an grow in numbers as the battle goes, literally whats the point ?
I love how someone like Theon, who was paralyzed by fear for nearly the whole show, found the courage to charge the most intimidating person of all in the end
IMO only character that they didn't F up and has perfect story from start to finish
@@DuBstep115 True and Danny
@@kingrichard8188 Dany??? Are you fucking kidding me
Idk about courage cuz when Bran said, "you're a good man, thank you." It was understood to both Theon and the audience that he's going to die
@@dinkin_flicka14 charging to your death takes courage my g
White walker sees background character: Instantly shreds them to bits
White walker sees main character: “Hm.. must’ve been the wind, carry on.”
They didn't want to get closer to actual threats? The wights didn't care & were just a wave of bodies but the Walkers want to stay "alive" if that's what they are.
Theon is my absolute favorite character. His growth through 8 seasons is amazing. Such a well written character, you hate him in the beginning and bawl over his death. Awesome.
I hope you noticed that when Jamie and Brienne were fighting back to back, their swords, made from Ned's sword Ice, were reunited once more to defend Winterfell.
His growth. The blood finally had other places to go xD;
34:50 _"Try to ignore how Jon’s ducking behind stone pillars to avoid Viserion’s fire, despite this exact fire blasting through those exact walls fifteen minutes ago."_
*-TURTLE PACED*
The dragon is missing half a face and neck at this point genius.
@@nexeroth7151 he can still clearly breathe fire.
@@alexking988 and you can see a solid 50% of that fire going out the sides of his neck and face. He tries to breath fire in the air after Raegal rips open his neck and struggles.
You ever like, had a hole in a straw?
@@nexeroth7151and he still easily took out multiple pillars. Besides, the wall was also taken out by a dead dragon, and that’s a lot stronger than a pillar.
The walls Jon chose to hide behind were extra reinforced for the dragon fire. Only Jon would know which pieces are fire resistant 😊
Miguel Sapochnik, who directed this episode fought tooth and nail with D&D over the lack of deaths of main characters here. He wanted to kill Jorah in the initial charge along with the Dothraki to set the tone of "nobody is safe". He said he was up for killing everybody, but ultimately D&D wouldn't hear of it. Don't necessarily think everybody needed to die, but more deaths would definitely have been better as it would've shown how dangerous all of the prophecies about this war and the dead really are. Still feel the war with the Night King should've been the final 2 episodes too.
I mean it’s a bit annoying to only kill the ‘many extras we don’t know’. Like one handed Jaime lives over the Dothraki he feared so much and so many unsullied. And so many of the scenes it was just like them against tons of the walkers and it’s just not realistic. I wish Jaime died here… would’ve been far more honorable
Atleast they didn’t kill ghost though!!!!!
Agreed. I severely overestimated the amount of deaths here. Sam should have died. Brienne and Jaime should have died fighting side by side. Tyrion should have died.
The way this ep unfolded almost everybody should've died. The plot armour was just borderline insulting. Why make us wait 8 seasons to hype up a threat to only kill one or two characters. Just insane writing. They saved deaths for Daenerys scorching Kingslanding which is even more insane she should've never been the final boss. it should've just been the Walkers.
@@mgp1203fuckkkk the walkers yall put so much emphasis and those blue eyes fucks 🙄 they were cool snd scary but Dany & Cersei being the true big bads was so much better.
Theon and Jorah's death truly saddened me in this episode . They both did bad things in the past ( Jorah sold slaves, Theon attacked his adopted family) but they both fought with honor here, two true knights 😢
Bro...Theon attacked his adopted family? No, he's a child murderer. He doesn't get a redemption arc. Fuck Theon.
Theon also burnt two children and pretended their corpses were Starks.
@@jamesb7924 yes , and his men* killed maester luwin, he himself beheaded sir Rodrick , he went super far
@@jamesb7924 to be fair he had someone else burn them, he said it himself, and in game of thrones evilness scale he's not that bad, he totally redeems himself saving Sansa and sacrificing his life to save Bran
@@rosiii9 I doubt his sacrifice saved Bran, he was killed in the space of seconds. It was Bran and the Nightking having a stare off for 2 minutes which allowed Arya to arrive... that entire season is ridiculous.
The catapults in front of the army was a genius move
And the army in front of the trench they dug...
Pretty much everything in this episode was a genius move. It's like writers read a lot of material about middle age battles and their tactics, then decided to do everything in an opposite way.
dont forget the sacrificing of your elite cavalry soldiers, 4D Chess....the White Walkers wouldnt have seen that coming!
Their tactical plan was "It's Opposite Day!"
D&D: our genius, it's almost frightening 🤡
Night King: I'm gonna go kill the creepy kid. You guys got my back, right?
White Walkers: Sure, boss - no one will get through us!
Literally NO ONE.
@@FedeNerdFreckles But the girl is not no one, the girl is Arya Stark of Winterhell... FELL, Winterfell...
@@CometF81 hotpie the goat 🤣
😂😂😂
@@CometF81 Yeah the Mary Sue who had never seen the Night King and had trouble avoiding just one Whyte in the library is going to sneak through thousands of them and f even find the Night King never mind kill him 😂🤣😂
Rip Theon. One of the best characters in the show.
Rip, but define best
@@playdoug12not the favorite but he easily had the best redemption arc in the show
what it dead may never die.
Also, he could’ve/imo probably should’ve been at least nominated for an Emmy for every season from S2 onward
🤔💯🏆👍✌️🦑🐺❄️🔥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Arya gave Sansa a dragonglass dagger, not the Valyrian steel one. She obviously saved that for herself. Lyanna being squished by the giant was the closest I've seen to tears on Spartan. Jorah's death had me sobbing. Emilia Clarke did a FANTASTIC job and Drogon coming in at the end, who had known Jorah literally his whole life, and curled up there with Dany. Flowing tears! R.I.P. to Jorah, Theon, Ed, Lyanna Mormont, Berric, Malissandre and thousands of Dothraki and brave unsullied who sacrificed themselves for the greater good.
Don't forget the brave Northmen, Freefolk, and Knights of the Vale that also lost thousands.
@@jamesw7072 thank you! I knew ai was forgetting someone. That list looked a little thin.
Don't worry, thousands of dothraki come back to life in a couple of episodes..
@@2BigFooted true.
Yeah Jorah’s death was the heavy hitter for me as well
I think everyone needs to remember that the view of this show when spanning over many many years will be different to people that are able to binge it in a shorter time. Yes, it went downhill but it’s still one of the greatest shows ever and really highlighted how tv series can be more epic than movies
The thing about this episode is that while there is absolutely wasted potential and imperfect writing, there is still brilliant production, amazing fight choreography, and some amazing scenes. It is also FAR better than the nonsense coming in the remaining series episodes.
Also, from the beginning, I really thought it should have been Jon + Arya (and maybe + Bran) bringing down the Night King.
@@StevenSendak i was fine with Arya doing it. It was a good arc. I only wish they showed more training with her and the many faced god.
Well it went downhill about halfway thru the show. But yes, those first 4 seasons are absolutely top notch television.
lol the people who watched S1-S4 over the years as it released didn't think those seasons were garbage.
this whole "put into perspective the differences of binge watching vs watching back in the day" is actually a really poor apologist argument that I've seen gain traction for many shows that have declined in quality drastically.
there were people who watched S8 when it released and loved it. S&P would have likely reacted the same if they watched back then as they are now binge watching.
Well if you remove season 8 sure it will be one of the greatest shows, not really worth watching if the ending sucks though. Also won't be that different, as on patreon they have already finished it and they are mad at the ending and how it went down XD
It's like what David benioff and Dan themself said ironically in an interview, "A show is nothing without a good ending, even if you have a fantastic show, all of that means nothing if everything that leads up to it is a bad ending"
Well they just ate their own words, literally XD
But I agree for it's time before season 8 it was one of the greatest, even when I and probably others started notice a shift in quality from season 6-7 compared to the first 5 seasons, Season 6 and 7 are still up on top compared to other shows.
House Mormonts words "Here we Stand" Jorah said it to Viscerys when he tried to steal the dragon eggs in season 1 and we saw it w/ Lyanna charging the giant and Jorah again standing back up and taking more blows for Dany until the fight ended.
Wow, I love that. Good call!
I never seen any other reactors prepare in advance for the darkness in this episode 😂 I’m livinggg for it 🙌🏼
(Night King keeps raising the dead)
Tyrion: we’ll be safest in the crypt with the dead people….
🤔🤔
He never said it. It wasn't even his idea.
Isnt it just people that they actuall kill they can raise?
Friendly reminder that Daenerys picking up a sword & fighting was Emilia's idea. She understands the character more than the two dumbasses who were paid to write for her. she knew that Dany would never just stand by, watch her people die for her and do nothing.
"though young girls have been known to be fickle. i may still want a magic sword.” - Daenerys, ADWD
"a queen am i. i would led the attack if i must. and die for them if need be." - Daenerys, ASOS
Charge the dothraki into death and darkness head-on as your first move...
10/10 strats big brain move
For all the critiques;
- The Dothraki are light cavalry, they have no armour, and therefore their purpose is to flank, retreat, flank etc. That charge was unjustified to the writers' incompetence.
- The 'planned' scenario before Malisandra came out of nowhere was to charge the Dothraki into the skeletons with weapons that couldn't even neutralise them... this adds to how stupid the whole thing was, they were thrown in to die by the writers.
- There was no kind of preparation to this battle, this is obvious. They had at least 2 days to dig fire ditches, to plant posts for visibility, to transform all blades into dragonglass blades, to set fire traps upon fire traps.
But nah, all we got was *Muh Kween* , *don't have balls lololol* , *let's fuck* , *i got beef with blondie, blondie got beef with me*
Don't worry they are self replenishing thanks to binary fision.
Same with the unsullied, they auto regenerate.
and Spartan approved lol so much for house Spartan
@@powertrip25 That speaks more to the target audience of the writing and choices in this final season.
And without weapon that can kill white walker. Before the arrival of Melisandre, they just have there normal sword and Melisandre was not planned
@@Splickosyeah, that's the craziest part, where was the strategy here?
I feel like with the manpower they had, a better plan would have been to entrap the wights in a forest on the road to winterfell that they would then set afire to kill quite a portion of them. Simultaneously, you'd enlist every able body in the winter town and it's surrounding to dig the largest moat the north has ever seen around winterfell, fill it with pitch and wood, and once everyone has retreated to winter fell, set it aflame and rain arrows and catapults on any wight still walking while Jon and Dany deal with Viserion.
Or I guess you can just throw all your soldier at them in an open field I guess, what do I know...
Rip Jorah. He died as he lived: In the friendzone!
That reminds me that Jorah used to be married. His wife was Lynesse Hightower, who spent all his money which is what drove him to resort to selling slaves. After Jorah was caught and exiled he and his wife moved to Lys as Jorah fought for the Golden Company. He didn't make a lot of money though, and his wife left him to be the concubine of a wealthy merchant. Ouch.
Never trust a Hightower
@@bradcarver8127 I was wondering if there were ever any good Hightowers, I had to look it up.
The Mad King's Lord Commander of the Kingsguard was a Hightower. When Aegon Targaryen came to conquer Oldtown, they welcomed him and kneeled immediately to protect their people. And the ancient Hightowers were pro-education and helped to create the Citadel.
Just a little fact, the dagger that arya used to kill the nightking is called catspaw. That is the same dagger that viserys targaryen had in house of the dragon, the one that had imprinted aegon's prophecy about the prince that was promised.
And Bran handed that dagger to Arya right there under the Weirwood tree, the exact spot where the night king was killed
The dagger is not called "Catspaw". It's sometimes known as the Catspaw Dagger, because it was the dagger used by the catspaw who attempted to assassinate Bran.
A catspaw is someone who's been tricked into doing someone else's dirty work.
@@williamshelton4318 Regardless of your thoughts on the matter "the catspaw" is how that otherwise unnamed character is referred to within the ASoIaF community, and always has been.
That's what's relevant when explaining why some people mistake the term for the name of the actual blade.
If you believe everyone else has been wrong all these years, that's your prerogative, but doesn't invalidate what I said.
@@williamshelton4318 Do you know what "prerogative" means?
Wrekt
I really agree with Spartan on the point of making more of Bran's storyline. In my opinion it would have been really awesome to see sort of a mental battle between the night king and Bran / Three Eyes Raven involving some of the visions about night walker origins or something, maybe through utilising Bran's warging ability to get into his mind. Presedence was already set with Hodor - so I really thought this was where it was going! As Spartan says this could be the distracting factor that makes Arya's kill more believable.
It is clear that visually it was a 10, but as a script it was one of the worst episodes and it will not improve until we have The Winds of Winter
Bran proved to be one of the most pointless characters in the whole show. They butchered him as a character in the final two seasons.
The Night King doesn't exist in the books, but I hope to see an astral plane battle between Bran and Euron, who is theorized to be the dangerous failed student of Bloodraven.
Or maybe Bran could've warged into Nymeria, who distracts the Night King by attacking him. He kills her, but that distraction is what leaves him open to Arya jumping in there.
I have no idea what bran does in this episode but I'd like to think he warged to the beginning to ensure the dagger gets put into their storyline
This episode is dark & full for terrors 😁
So dark that you could not see most of the time xd
@@TheRealRealMClovin It is known 🤭
The terrors being the writing and direction
of...of terrors...
Dark and full of errors
Arya's character arc against the Night King:
S08E01: Finds out about Night King
S08E02: Finds out Night King is "Really Bad" from Gendry
S08E03: Kills Night King.
Girls get it done!
Hahahahah
Great show. Great episode.
Girl power!
Good to know if they lost this battle and the ww went south someone could just hire a faceless man
I wonder what the effect of binging the show after it’s release does to someone’s perspective of the ending. Because if you watched it for years like some of us, to watch the show become so well known and cover every inch of pop culture entertainment, for its main villain and conflict to end like this… is so incredibly disappointing and frustrating. “Winter is coming” was said for years, well it came and lasted one episode.
@@whateverdoesntmatter9868ahh just let them enjoy it. Its fun to watch even though I hated this season.
It plays differently for people who binge watch the whole thing. Plus they watched House of the Dragon first.
Great show. Great episode. Great ending.
@@whateverdoesntmatter9868tbh, it's not unnatural for them to hang on to the things they like about the show until the very end of the show and only turn on it in hindsight then.
Like for me, while I was somewhat disappointed in this episode, I told myself that if they're deciding to blitz through the Long Night, it must mean they have some really good stuff they want to get to afterwards. It's only at the end that I accepted that there is no twist or upside the the mediocre choices the creators made in the latest seasons.
From a binging perspective, they haven't had the chance to re-watch the whole show yet as we all did for years before these last two seasons... They will probably only feel it when they re-watch and it can think "yeah wtf were they thinking", truly feels like two different shows
21:26 Make no mistake. *Ramin Djawadi* is doing all the heavy lifting, not just in this episode, but in this entire season!
MVP
Oh man, seriously!
Ramind Djawadi is the Prince that was promised.
My main disappointment in this episode was Bran. The writers could've done so much with the type of power he had. He could've had a much more significant role than just the bait. That being said, it's still an epic episode and I'll never forget watching Arya kill the Night King for the first time! My mouth was just hanging open.
I mean there was him giving her the dagger I guess? 🤷♂️
@@themajesticcamel Oh yes, forgot about that. I guess we were meant to assume that he already knew what was going to happen, so he was just like "I'll just chill here."
I was thinking about this while Spartan was nit-picking, and I came up with an idea. (Granted I didn't think of this when it originally aired.) But, Bran could have attacked the whites with his dire wolves just before Aria attacked at a slight distraction to help her out a bit. That would have made some sense.
@@thinkhector yeah he just legit did nothing lmao. this is where the lazy writing begins. give me few minutes and I'd think of smtn more epic than what was given to Bran, am surprised these producers/writers getting paid millions a month couldn't be bothered to invest more thought.
@@themajesticcamel Except he said "i'm going to go now" where did he go? Even Spartan thought Bran was going to so something. what did he do? nothing.
We never once saw the night king fight the entire show! Epic! Thanks for all the stare downs and foreshadowing!
True, but generals don't fight in hand to hand combat
@@teutonicAnon generals dont walk up to the enemy human computer thing to kill them personally during a battle
@@teutonicAnon Except for Gengis Khan, Subutai, Julius Caesar, Pompey, Hannibal, Alexander the great, Pyrrus of Epirus, Claudius Marcellus, Henry V, Richard the Lionheart, Lasalle, Harald Hardråde and numerous other viking commanders, Zhang Liao, Khalid in Al-Waleed, Shaka Zulu and countless other commanders throughout time and from all over the world. Generals leading from the front didn't stop until relatively recently around the 18th century.
Which is a damn shame cause the guy who plays the Night King actually helps choreographs a lot of the sword fights in GoT. Such a missed opportunity to at least see an epic one on one fight against Jon Snow.
Jojen: You saw the White walkers and the army of the dead."
Sam: How do you know that
Jojen" The night's watch can't stop them, Westeros and all their armies can't stop them."
How does anyone take that quote and all the great build up and foreshadowing seriously when you try to rewatch this show.
The show should literally just stop after season 6.
Throw season 7 and 8 away and pretend it's a parody.
we waited 9 years for that episode! We actually watched it as a big group on premier night and i cried the whole time like pudgey hahaha
Arya killed the Night King in the same place she was reunited with Jon. In that scene he says to her "how did you sneak up on me?".
Perfect first reaction! Exactly what I was hoping for! I first watched your reaction and the read some of the comments. That is why I love your reactions sooo much! I was so emotional the first time I watched season 8, that I did not know how to react. All the logical thinking went out the window 😂 only after the emotions wore off a bit and rewatched some parts I saw all the countless plot holes. Still, I can absolutely relate to your first ever reactions and people in the comments seems to expect you to just smile and point out all the stuff that are not ok. But then they forget we had like years to have these episodes processed and dissected. I don't know about everyone else, but I felt exactly the same like you did the FIRST time I watched it. I was emotional, I could not breath and I did not think about war tactics. All this came later.
You are perfect, guys! ❤
❤️❤️🙏🏼 yes we can definitely see the plot holes now in hindsight
I am in 100% agreement with you. The 1st time I watched this episode, it was too emotional for me to be able to process anything else except the atrocious lightning 🙄 lol.
I didn't like not being able to see anything for 90% of the battle, 99% characters surviving being literally swarmed by undead (we see them being almost ripped apart and almost dying) just because they needed to and had plot armour. And then super human Arya ending the biggest threat of the world by doing super jump at Night King and tricking him with dropping dagger?? He literally could have strangled her in 1 second, but D&D just wanted that army of the dead nuisance fast out the picture. So they could focus on more important stuff like ending this show quickly, and then they could get to work on their Star Wars project (and they didn't even got it in the end 🤣). It's just too bad it had to end this way...
Theon s1e1 character, Jorah s1e1 character. Absolutely vital to the story, yet some indeed complained that not enough deaths of main characters.
Jorah saying the last words to Dany "I'm hurt..." still rips me.
for that chaos of a battle ofcurse it's not enough...the fact that sam, podrick and a one handed jamie survived that being attacked by multiple enemys at once for so long is ridiculous and no saginifcant character died in the crypts is just plot armor at its best.
Yeah I felt like most of them should have died. I think if Martin writes it most of them will die.
@@VonJay He will never finish writing the book. You guys are fooling yourselves. (You're also fooling yourselves that he'll make a better ending.)
@@ms_scribbles when did I say he’ll finish writing? Are you a bot?
Yes, they are both important to the story, but they are still just side characters, not main characters. Besides, their loss was not too painful because their story was told. That was completely different with Ned's or Oberyn's death, for example.
Even people who like season 7 and 8 must be able to see that it is a completely different show
I enjoyed season 7 and 8 and accepted them for what they were. The writing was very different and extremely disappointing in a few of the storylines. For me the last 2 seasons don’t define how wonderful this show is overall. This will be my favorite show until the end of days. Of course I’m still hoping a certain sequel is made to fix what was definitely broken in the series finale! Lol
@@kellifranklin9872 that's completely fair! I tried to accept them but failed and really fell out of love with what was my favourite show . Hotd has actually bought back some of my love of the universe which I'm grateful for.
it was bad, but what really killed it was the random death of Rhaegal. Literally the writers going: "i can't think anything anymore, fuck it all."
@@lionhead123 "dany kind of forgot about the iron fleet." that line from Benioff is when i was sure they had absolutely no idea what they were doing.
@@Adam-xg1ch you held on for a while! I lost confidence in season 5 when they butchered dorne, and littlefingers character by giving sansa away. Arguably a stupid decision by Roose as well.
As an animal, would make more sense if ghost stay at the back protecting bran or assisting someone familiar (someone from the north/wildling) instead of actively charging at the front with strangers (jorah and the dothraki).
yeah Summer died instantly when it tried to fight a handful of wights but Ghost just rushes at a huge wall of a hundred thousands wights
True But He's a Special Pup though..who goes on the front foot 😎😄
@@williamshelton4318 ngl though, be kinda sick if Ghost had Valyrian steel implants/caps on his canines 🐕 _Gendry, where you at bro? I got a commission..._
And somehow survived the whole thing, because that’s definitely how that works
@@arobin6695 Jorah & a handful of Dothraki also survived though? Probably the ones all near Ghost & they only got out by watching each other's backs as they ran.
I sometimes get the feeling that they actively try to love it just so that they can love it. Spartan or Pudgey will point out the largest plot hole, weak storytelling, or wasted potential and then follow it up with "this episode was fantastic". Also, I completely disagree that "any way the White Walkers are defeated would be unfulfilling". Spartan is lying when he said he didn't want Jon to 1v1 the Night King and win. That would have been epic. That was clearly where the story was going. They even bring up all of the stare offs and close calls between the Night King and Jon. It is a pretty clear attempt to "subvert expectations" to have Arya gain the ability to fly just so that she can kill the Night King while Jon... has a staring contest with a dragon... The thing about subverting expectations is that it can easily be done poorly, such as in this episode.
That's one of the pitfalls of binge-watching a show with hardly any breaks between episodes. You get caught up in all of it without having the benefit of time to stand back and really digest what happened in an episode before you're on to the next one.
😂 Somebody told me recently in the comments that that's because their channel grew a lot bcs of this series so they have "special considerations" let's say with GOT. That's the better explanation I can find 😅.
All reactors over-like the thing they are watching.
to be honest its just as simpme as fresh off watching this episode it was an absolutely beautiful spectacle. after some digestion time we were both able to see how much missed potential there was in the way it ended and how many plot holes were left unanswered. that's often the benefit of hindsight and for many having years to dogest. we are just giving our fresh and live feelings as we go.
@@SpartanandPudgeydon't listen to haters this episode was friggin awesome. You can literally watch videos of theatre's of people celebrating at the end of this episode.
The most anxiety, most drained i've ever felt watching something in tv.. the release of the emotions after it was over just was insane.
Imagine preparing for the biggest war ever and sending your cavalry first and building the narrowest trench ever.
It worked now didn't it.
"I can't see anything" . Exactly, Spartan . EXACT-FU*KING-LY
RIP to Queen Lyanna Mormont, the Giant slayer . And to Theon, he did Ned proud during his last moments.
I felt a bit like you two did after I first saw the episode; kind of emotionally exhausted and a bit lost for words. Then I thought about it a bit later and realises how disappointed I was, especially with the arya bit. Such an unearned kill of the night king. It should have been Jon or Bran that killed him, not someone who'd never seen him before and didn't know anything about him. It was also a huge missed opportunity, in terms of explaining what the meaning behind the white walker symbols was and why the night king wanted to rule. GOT could never recover from this, as far as I was concerned.
Literally the build up of all the cryptic symbols and their desire to take over - then for it to just end leaving the night king as this one-dimensional villain. And don’t get me started on the emphasis on Bran’s powers, for them to literally serve zero purpose as well 😅
Same, once the shock passes, the many cracks became very evident.
I know this episode is utterly shit and disappointing in so many ways. So many things left unanswered it just goes to show they were doing it for the visual wow factor as opposed to keeping it true to character story lines and build ups over the past seasons.
I really really hate the choices of this season. There were so many other possibilities they could have gone with.
Someone dies in his bed. Pudgey be like "yeah that was his purpose".
Someone get murdered. Pudge again "yeah that was his purpose". 😂😂😂
8 years. 8 years of build up and hype for this battle. Winter was coming. And the army of the dead goes out with a whimper. The most anticlimactic crap and an insult to fans. There should have been at least 5 main character deaths... actual stakes and repercussions for the biggest threat in the entire series. Oh well.
New drinking game... Every time Spartan says holy sh*t I have a drink 😂😂
Or “far out!” 😂
Or "No way!" Lol
Dumb and Dumber hated the high fantasy aspect of the world. Thats why Bran and the Others were not focused on as much as they should've been.
37:40 *_"And so Arya kills the Night King._* _Arya. Who has had no meaningful story connection with the fight against the White Walkers. She was the last member of House Stark to return to Winterfell and the least involved in the preparations to fight. This comes perhaps a little bit out of left field. The showrunners later stated that they chose Arya to kill the Night King specifically to subvert expectations. Meaning that they set up seven and a half seasons of other people being more involved with this plot and Arya not being very involved with this plot only to throw it away for a “fooled you!” While I’m sure it was satisfying to the writers, it’s not very much fun for a viewer. When we invest years in watching characters realise the extent of their problems and seek to solve them, having the writers yank the payoff away right at the very end with a _*_“nope! Someone else solved it!’_*_ is not a good return."_
_"Plus, while _*_“wow, wouldn’t have picked that!”_*_ is the end result, it’s not the _*_“I wouldn’t have picked that!”_*_ which comes from creative use of foreshadowing and careful structural and thematic development so that everything falls into place in an unexpected yet logical way. This is the “I wouldn’t have picked that!” which resulted from there being nothing to pick at all. It’s a plot twist divorced from the plot."_
*-TURTLE PACED*
Perfectly stated.
Deleted scene:
The battle is lost, Jaime and Brienne barely escape in the high tower. Facing certain death, they go for a shag but Arya suddenly enters and stands there, watching, dagger in hand. Jaime pushes her out the window as the Night King is walking by.
The scene was left out because the lighting wasn't good.
Maybe David Benioff and Dan Weiss just... FORGOT how to write? See what i did there?
Omg, I couldn't wait for your reaction to this episode and loved it so much. Pudgey had me teary as soon as it started and no words to Spartan crying 😢....even though I've watched this series sooo many times, your reaction brought up all the feels again. Thanks guys 😊❤
Seeing Spartan this emotional finally, brought tears to my eyes. And Pudgy is her standard adorable self as always, sharp and attentive and emotional. ❤
Hilarious how Jons last attempt at taking out Viserion was to scream at him, he thought he was going to die regardless, so he decided to scream, not attack, just scream lol.
It would have been more epic for him if he picked up burning debry, threw them in one direction while in cover and move in the other direction, slide under the beast in its moment of distraction and slash it's neck from beneath.
Motherfucker thought he was Dragonborn. 😂
The point was to subvert his story arc by giving his victory over the night king to arya.
What was he to do? Valerian steel sword or no, it's a frikkin' dragon.
@drakethesnek6429 Who says Jon was going to do it? It's a bit of a cliche.
I remember someone calling Lyanna stupid and not wise for frontlining when she cohld just stay in the crypt-like what? She was born a WARRIOR what do you expect?
I agree with Spartan that this could be the finale for me
Might should have been.
It IS the finale for me. Lmao
Would be a worse ending
It should have been and would have been an OK one, with some fairly major tweaks to it here and there.
ah fuck
As soon as I saw the Spartan and pudgey lights off I knew they were taking us seriously about this episode and my heart flutters
They clearly said they listened to their mods, not the comments.
@@2BigFooted they’re not very smart… lol
@jonathanlorio3265 no listening skills in this generation.
@@2BigFooted God you 2 are special aren't you? I'm 52 and Todd the mods in the beginning if their reactions to make sure they were ready to tell them to brighten for this ep. SOOOO ...
@@jonathanlorio3265 you too
Imagine setting up the Jon Snow vs Night King duel and prince that was promised of ice and fire for 8 seasons then making the writing decision for Arya to kill the night king. Awful, just awful
"I've heard stories about you bastard. They way Northmen talk you're the greatest swordsman that ever lived" - Ramsey Bolton.
i mean you could say the same for arya as melisandra said she would shut blue eyes way early on but i agree it shouldve been john
Imagine you are hired to make a show based on a book series that the stupid writer STILL HAS NOT FINISHED!
They had to change all the scripts because people online already figured out the ending. They made every decision on shock value and through the story out the door.
@QroMan13 they change the order to fit the script. Melisandra was clearly talking about Aryas list of names...
What is dead may never die but rises again, harder and stronger! Theon was both a Greyjoy and a Stark!
what makes the dothraki scene even worse is that melisandre showed up at literally the last minute without anyone knowing. so the plan was to send them charging with just regular weapons, no flame, which we’ve been shown time and time again will not stop a single wight. so yea the plan was to lose thousands of soldiers while literally not killing 1 enemy. thanks d&d!
The old Maestars were right all along. It wasn't a big deal.
Sam could have just hung out at the Citadel studying and nothing would have changed in this battle.
They received a raven from D&D.
@@arobin6695 Back to shoveling shit Tarly
20:18 I can't believe she said that about Bran... I'm dying 🤣💀💀
I pictured Bran casually getting up and walking away. 🚶
Trophy for the Most useless: Jon Snow, Dotrakis, Bran, White Walkers
Trophy for the Biggest plot armor: Sam, Brienne, Jaime, Pod
Trophy for Worst Battleplan in TV/Movie History: All the people in the War Room
Trophy for the Most convenient out of Nowhere Retcon: Blue eyes, Green eyes, Brown Eyes, Orange Eyes, etc...
Trophy for Teleportation: You think Season 7 was bad with Euron? We have Arya
Trophy for Fan Service: Lyanna Mormont, Arya
Trophy for Contradiction: Sansa not knowing how to use a pointy object. I thought that Arya said:"She's the most intelligent person I've ever met"?
Trophy for Memory Loss: Putting the weakest people with the dead even though Jon Snow already saw the Night King raise the Dead! ah ha ha
😂😂😂😂
Trophy for the most stupid bitch-list - johnnyskinwalker4095
"I know the warging is gonna amount to something" "He's warging for a reason, remember" "Whats Bran gonna do?" BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA yeah well.... on that note FUCK D&D!!!
At "Theon, you´re a good man. Thank you" i cried like i never had in my life. People hate the last season, but Theon's storyline is one of the best storylines in the series from start to finish. The final satisfaction that came after all his hardships with this thanks is brilliant. I cried tears like peas.
The plan for defending Winterfell "It's Opposite Day! Do everything that is completely illogical!"
Naa... just sending the cavalry in first... being outside the castle walls rather than behind them... ceasing to use catapults after that first salvo... not having more than one trench for fire (or only a thin trench)... landing and staying on the ground with the dragons so they lose all the benefit of being, ya know, dragons... putting the women and children in a place surrounded by the dead... oh... I guess you're right. Opposite Day it is. 🥲
There is an endless army of bodies. The goal isn't to magically win the battle. It's to keep Bran alive until the Night King can be drawn out. Keeping the waves of attack varied & spaced out is just buying time vs trying to win.
Even though this season is rightfully criticized enough already, I don't think enough people truly understand just how much this episode fucks the entire show.
The white walkers have been built up since literally the very first scene of the show. They are the big threat. They are the final problem. Or at least... They should have been. For 7 seasons, the core message of game of thrones has always been that we should put aside our petty differences and squables, because when faced with death, none of it actually matters.
Even ignoring the fact that Jon and Bran got to do absolutely nothing in this episode when this should have been the climax of their stories. Even ignoring the fact that Arya was the one to kill the night king despite only hearing about him 1 episode ago. Even ignoring the fact that they never explained things like why the night king wanted Bran, or what the meaning of the symbols were, or what the night king even was or wanted... Even ignoring all that, this episode still commits the biggest sin you can commit in a show, which is to completely backtrack on 7 seasons worth of storytelling. Forget the core themes and the storylines of numerous characters because the night king in the end meant nothing! The long night lasted 50 minutes! Winter came and nobody even died! Cersei is the final boss of the show now!
Even ignoring all of the sheer incompetence that went into the writing of this episode to begin with, The Long Light would still be one of the most shameful and damaging things ever put on television purely for the fact that it wasn't the final battle of the show. It's not just wasted potential... It's a waste of 7 seasons of build up.
Ok, Bran was the 3-eyed raven, so the Night King wanted him. But why exactly, that was not explained.
But I agree with you completely!
@@AP-RSI literally. What did bro even want him for? The answer is that the writers needed a reason for him to enter winterfell so that he could be killed (even tho if his goal was just to kill Bran, he could have just flown the dragon in and instakilled him with dragonfire).
@@Fyrestar The storyline at the end of season 7 and all of season 8 was just lousy.
@@AP-RSI they 100% could have saved it as well, but 8x3 was the point of no return.
@@AP-RSI It was explained in S8E2, Bran is the embodiment of memory and the NK wanted total darkness.
Sansa badmouthing Daenerys while the latter was fighting to save Winterfell
sansa is the most overrated, power hungry character in the show. she only cares about her rank and sacrifced half of the northenrs fighting in the battle of the bastards just so she could be the savior of the battle.
@@RedDead_Dave Totally agree. And she risked Jon's life twice in the show...
I wish Sansa was killed by Joffrey lol
@@RedDead_DaveYou do remember her arguing with Jon they didnt have enough men. Her sending a raven to Littlefinger with no guarantee he would show up and not hand her back to Ramsey. She had Brienne threaten LF. LF never forgives slights. He brought the army when he wanted to bring them.
Jon running to save Rickon instead of sending anyone else caused his army to forget their tactics.
@@stacywhisenant6242she didnt even tell john we might have the eyries army. You dont think she could have said..."jon wait a bit we might have the eyrie on our side" she is the one who already gave up on ricon before the battle even started. Probably happy cause she thought she was the only stark left at that point. She is beyond saving the actions she did
Theon told John before he went and saved his sister that he always wanted to be a good person. He just didn’t always know what was always right.
Theon was the best-written character in the whole story and Alfie Allen was the best actor too. Like so many characters ended the series as different people than they began but none of their arcs were as coherent as Theon's. It's like Theon was a fully realized character and every motivation from the first episode to the last came from the same core person. Arya, Bran, Jamie...they all had such sharp turns that made them feel unrecognizable. Even more subtle changes like the one's in the Hound and Sam felt less fleshed out and too indulgent. Theon's was so nuanced and organic and relatable and it made him such a tragic hero of the story. Alfie should have won every Emmy for his performance. And I think his death was a good death--a true redemption--but part of me did want to see his and Sansa's story play out a little more. I'm glad they gave us a glimpse of that potential even if it never manifested.
I think you are nit picking because you are basically in shock that after all the horrors they have done it was a young girl who managed to kill them her father would be so proud i have watched this a dozen times and it still thrills me what she did and the admiration in Brans eyes for his warrior sister just fucking epic xx
Lyn your putting aside all logic for this. Nitpicking is an entirely different thing.
Theon should have had a bow with dragonglass arrows. He was always good with the bow, not so with sword and spear.
If the dragon fire didn't kill the NK, it's probable that dragonglass wouldn't have either. They didn't know that, of course, but just saying.
@@Calinn86surely Sam told them dragonglass kills white walkers
True, he can use his arms
@@araceli2827 Reminds me of one of my early English lessons: "Beowulf didn´t fight with arms, he only fought with his arms.
Daenerys: "Dracarys"
Night King: WTF Am I a joke to you? Who do you think I am, Dickon Tarly?
@22:30 : they are both Oathkeepers, and each of them is wielding half of Ice, the Stark ancestral sword. It is a thing of beauty that Ned’s blade is back in Winterfell to fight the biggest battle the North has ever seen.
OATH👏KEEP👏PERS👏
12:58 *ALL HAIL QUEEN DAENERYS STORMBORN OF HOUSE TARGARYEN, FIRST OF HER NAME, THE UNBURNT, QUEEN OF THE ANDALS, THE RHOYNAR AND THE FIRST MEN, QUEEN OF MEEREEN, KHALEESI OF THE GREAT GRASS SEA, PROTECTOR OF THE REALM, LADY REGENT OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS, BREAKER OF CHAINS AND MOTHER OF DRAGONS!!!*
what an absolute pleasure it has been to watch this series again with you two! cant believe were on the home stretch here
Watching you guys enjoy this episode actually gives me a newfound appreciation for it.
I think binging it gave you guys a different perspective. Having a decade of watching the seasons of the show, and having read the books multiple times during that span, I had extremely lofty expectations that were always going to be impossible to be met on screen. While I still have some issues, there's a whole lot to appreciate as well.
Cheers!
Arya killing the Night King was epic, but the show really missed the mark here when it comes to the prophecy of the “prince or princess that was promised”. It was supposed to be a Targaryen, so either Jon or Dany. That didn’t end up going anywhere left GOT fans frustrated.
Even in HOTD if you’d watch it back, Viserys has the exact same dagger Arya used to kill the Night King. Then Viserys talks about the prophecy about a Targaryen (so what happened in GOT) & it really doesn’t make sense why Arya killed him, even though they tried to “foreshadow” a bit to make it makes sense with the Red woman. Neither does why HOTD still pushes this narrative. Hopefully HOTD somehow explains it.
Arya killing the Night King would be like Hermione killing Voldemort. Just made no damn sense.
You're right and wrong "The prince or princess that was promised" never meant one of them had to kill the Knight king it was never about that I think it meant that one of them was suppose to end up on the Throne in the End and Niether of that happened because the writers changed the show lmao
@@Blank_e2v they foreshadowed Jon fighting the Night King for multiple seasons and then did absolutely nothing with it. So disappointing.
@@Bon-Gi True but to be fair I think Aryia killing him was foreshadowed way before they start foreshadowing John or associating John with him and it's easy to forget that because Ariya killing him was only foreshadowed once while John foreshadowing was done a lot more after if that makes sense
Watching a Spartan and Pudgy reaction b4 bed, one hell of a way to end a day.
37:02 Do I detect tears coming out of Spartan?!
I always thought they missed a huge opportunity here. Arya should have had nothing to do with the Night King...she had never ONCE been involved in the White Walker storyline and having her kill the Night King is ridiculous, even with the retconned prophecy they try to justify it with. Arya has ALWAYS been after Cersei and should have been given something to do in that plot. If Jaime had died in the battle, she could have taken his face and used it to get close to Cersei after the battle (they could have even left Jaime's death ambiguous so they have a "big reveal" moment where we assumed it was actually Jaime going back like he did in the show).
So arya fucked brienne?
WHY DONT U make your own movie or just dont watch shows…just read books then…. These people…
You two had a much different reaction to this episode than I did. 😂
Atmosphere is intense, emotions are high, can't see shit. It's different in the moment.
@@BhBc8f8that’s what I was gonna say. When I first watched it I liked it a lot. About a couple of days later and a lot of thinking I changed my opinion a log
I had similar reaction as they did, and then I started thinking about it and I was like wtf was that?
@@reekaren2609 So what's the problem? If you like what you saw, does it really matter what you feel years or days later?
@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Yes. The sad, pathetically stupid ending to an epically awesome series matters (to the extent a TV show ever matters). It kills the rewatchability of the series, kills the feeling that this was one of the great shows of all time. It all ends up in a moronic, anti-climatic ending that abandons every hint of foreshadowing, betrays every subplot and character, and smothers one's memory of GoT overall. Not just this (boring, stupid, dingy) ending to the "Ice" aspect of the song of fire and ice. But the remaining episodes as well. Hot garbage from this point to the end.
This show wasn't great because of the visuals (although those were top-notch). It wasn't great because of the acting (also very good throughout). It was great because of the writing! And that died a horrible, humiliating death in season 8.
This show was 10 years of my life!! Loved every moment. Hence why I come to watch through the eyes of others. Possibly I’ve watched the whole lot at least 7 or 8 times. Still you learn something. Was a journey of emotional rollercoaster.
Let's remember that in this episode Daenerys saved Jon's life for the second and third time
Jon was mostly useless while 2 girls saved the world while a tree was napping
@@drrohanjacobyes, but Jon screamed in a dragon’s face. So, you know… 😂
She saved everyone multiple times and i'm sure Sansa will be so grateful next episode
@@Andre_APM I loved this comment
@@Andre_APM Lets not froget no one says sansa is the smartest person ever🤣
Sansa was by far the worst
Spartan crying from @24:25 haha. First time I've seen you almost tear up man. This is why I love this channel. Spartan and Pudgey one of the best reactors on this platform.
Problem with Arya killing the night king is the following: What is the point of the prophecy of the prince that is promised. Either Daenerys or John should have been the one to kill him.
Guys , all day at work I had Podrick singing Jenny of Old Stones in my head with this feeling of sadness and loss because episode two made us say goodbye to all our beloved carachters (I loved ep 2) . The anxiety grew and grew going home with only GOT in my head . I couldn't believe and I was feeling a bit ashamed that I was feeling that way for fictional people.... at home with my husband watching it I didn't have to contain myself and I swear I was shaking with anxiety and my stomach was like a stone , couldn't eat or drink . Then I just started literally sobbing, much louder for Theon and Jorah with the help of Sir Djawadi's music. I was more than a wreck , so Pudgey you are not alone and , Spartan , I saw a little tear in your right eye , u were fast to dry it but I saw it!
The fact the northerners put the foreign armies outside whilst they stayed behind their walls. Then the northerners had the nerve to act arrogant later when they had fled whilst the Unsullied protected them. People like Sansa and Arya. The Starks were so unlikeable later.
Robert baratheon to night king after life :
you let that little girl disarm you🤨😒
😅😅😂😂
The Night King is one of the best scores of GOT. It gives into every emotion you’re already feeling
Ah the short night that we couldn't see
Gnagnagna
Yeah one of the producers love putting this stupid goddamn filter on. They did it the same in HoTD during that funeral episode..
It was an underwhelming episode
@@greyman8335that HOTD episode was still better than this
I loved the episode when i first watched it, but you know, hard not to think about how stupid everything they did was. And it only got worse