First Months of the Romulan War
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2020
- This is a short part analysis of looking at just how the Federation came to be in 2161 while exploring the varying elements shown in canon with some memory beta content.
Part Four covers the first few months of the Romulan-Earth War. The Vulcan Intelligence services' (V'Shar) questionable decisions to bury information on the origin of the Romulans as those who marched beneath the raptor's wings.
There was also a wapr 7 race brewing between Starfleet and the Star Empire and Section 31 had recruited Trip Tucker as spy.
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7:20 I always loved the way the NX class ships were named after the space shuttles
Watching Enterprise and honestly it was a pity it didn't get at least two more seasons. Would have loved to see more on the federation taking it's first steps
@@captainzitrone
True.
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I think it was more a lack of interest as Enterprise really wasn't that well received. It was much better later but by then, it seems the damage was done as ratings were low.
In fact it was internal company battle. Former owner of company splited and new management came to part owning most ST, new management didnt knew anything about ST so they stopped production to "save money". Increase end year profit and get bigger paycheck. Only it didnt worked out in the end and now they are about to being fired after years as company is nearing its bankruptcy.
Agreed, and what really pee's me off about that, is I saw a video somewhere, that said Shren would most likely have ended up as part of the bridge crew in the 4th season
They never had enough starships or variation imo
So Trip didn't die ...HOLY MOLEY yes do that video
The books with his exploits are quite good even if they do include the absolute stain that is Section 31.
@@Guardias Section 31 is the only reason why Earth survives while rest live in lala land. Without having intel on outside threats, you doom your own species.
@@Guardias if its any consolation even the klingons, a hyper warrior race bent on war also have a shadowy black ops group.
@Mick Car Every Star Trek series has its own book series, going waaaay back to TOS times.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_novels
@@Nexus9118 If the survival of the Federation rests on those who betray it's soul then it should burn. Section 31 exists only to serve Section 31 as evidenced in the books.
Sound is perfect as always
Your voice over is on Point, as always.
*Hug* Dad?
You know , Trip's death being faked by section 31 so that he can be an undercover agent still makes way more sense than him actually dying during "these are the voyages"
Funny thing about a warp field detector. If a ship is traveling at impulse, the grid won't go off.
Actually for some reason in the books the grid detected warp capable ships traveling at impulse so the Romulans used small ships that weren't warp capable. But yes that was a very obvious issue
Finding out Trip not only faked that stupid record and survives, but also returns from the Romulan War, marries T'Pol, has a kid with her, and lives a long life with her on Vulcan is the absolute best palet cleanser after the Enterprise series finale.
I love when novel writers are on the same wavelength as fans and call out stupid events to be ignored.
Shame that Christopher L. Bennet's Rise of the Federation book series hasnt continued for a few years, both that and the Romulan War from which you're getting that information are really fun reads.
Iirc he had some trouble getting licencing approved to get his latest "Patterns of Interference" done so I'm guessing it's related in some way to the new shows that are happening but who knows. Same thing happened to preDisney Star Wars Expanded Universe books
@@Zreen001 Thats a real shame, I enjoy his writting a lot and while I dont think Patters was his best work I was enjoying Rise of the Federation a lot, and Im not really interested in the Kirk stuff he is doing.
I love the vulcan ship designs in that show...
So what I'm taking away from this video is another reason to disregard the series finale of Enterprise.
I think in most fans eyes the Earth-first two-parter was the true finale to Enterprise. The last episode was Riker being drunk on the holodeck.
@@Gangerworld Or it was Riker reading Wesley's lame attempt at historical fan fiction.
Let's have a redo based on the books.
@@bringbackenterprise9220 better yet let's have some full length motion pictures based off the book! Then it will become cannon.
Woah, definitley want the video on Tucker! I had no idea!
I like the way Tucker was handled.
According to the old Spaceflight Chronology book, one of the main events that sparked the Earth-Romulan War was the destruction of Starbase One by Romulan forces. However, the aforementioned book isn't a canon source of information so the event should be considered apocryphal.
FASA's soucebooks is where my canon ends. The rest is fan fiction. Some good, some bad, but fan fiction.
I really enjoy the early history stuff. I'm also glad I saw the video on Tucker before this one. :)
Nevermind when they installed phasers and shields, I want to know when they installed a coffee machine on every deck.
Thanks for the insightful information Ric
It seems other than in the original ST era, network security was an afterthought.
Hell, by TNG they'd forgotten about the idea of rebooting a system from protected backups - Geordi had to invent it all over again to defeat the Iconian virus!
I always find it very frustrating when aliens just walk onto the bridge of a ship and are able to access all ship functions without so much as needing a password
@@DeaconBlues117 You know, I sat here for a moment, thought back to the Contagion, and realized you're completely right - seems like a lot of problems in Star Trek would be solved if the computer's higher functions were "read only".
I bloody love your content sir. Keep it coming
Another great video! Keep up the great work!
Every good video as usual. I wish for a continuation of this story. Thank you... 😏
The sound is just a little more crisp than before. Sounds good either way.
I'm glad we get these videos, in lieu of more Enterprise. A series that deserved more air time, but was killed due to internal office politics.
Great job! 👍🏻
This may have to wait until the actual war is covered, but please consider circling back to the Romulans’ pre-war machinations. These would include such moves as turning V’Las, how he briefly attained total power over Vulcan following the P’Jem Scandal, and the use of the Marauder drone ship.
New sub. Love your channel, I love folks that dig up the "history" in Star Trek.......Makes ya think.
I had not payed enough attention to Tucker's death.
That is Amazing!!
True Blue
Rick your trek content is the best on You Tube
It'd be interesting to see a full run down of the romulan war story arc
Trippy video dude
During a comic con I went to the actor of Tucker said something along the line of being okay that his character died. Something about knowing his character's story was finished.
WHAT?! TRIP LIVED?!!! Wow thanks for the info.
Great video its like the old WW2 update clips In The News.
Those ship renders are gorgeous
thank you
I say again.... Andorians are way cooler than Vulcans.
Fight me
Nah, I'll just lop off one of your wiggly bits.
You are right.
To fight over such a contention would be illogical.
I think the contrast with the Vulcans is one of the main things that makes Andorians look so cool, so the Vulcans are necessary
As in; colder?😀
Kinda obvious if you think about it.
RICK I AM HERE FOR ANY ALPHA OR BETA SEC 31 CONTENT. I LOVE TRIP HES A REAL GREASY MONKEY NOT AS FLASHY AS LAFORGE AND OBRIAN BUT JUST AS SLICK AND CLEVER.
I love your reaction to finding out that Trip’s death was faked...six years before he was dead. I read all of the relauch novels- and that plotline made absolutely no sense. It was completely convoluted. Section 31 lied about his death date to hide his death from...the people he works with...who know he’s still alive...because he works with them. What?? Oh wait, I got that wrong. They lied about his death date in the history books so that future generations think he was actually alive when was still supposed to be alive anyway because...what?? There was no need for any of that. The first several novels were set years before Trip was supposedly killed, so it was a non-issue. They didn’t need to resurrect him--BEFORE he was dead. Then when the novels caught up with his “death,” THEN they could have said they faked his death for whatever reason.
Changing the official year of his "death" really was strange. Everyone who knew Trip would remember him dying in '55 and many of them would live into the 23rd century. By then, Trip's death would've been in the history books and if the date was wrong someone would've noticed and said something. I don't see when there'd be a chance to change something like that without anyone noticing. Obviously the writers did that so Trip could be a spy during the Romulan war, which already had a fixed time in canon, so I totally forgive them for that.
@@limiv5272 - Well, I remember at the time thinking, "Why are they sending Trip?" (I know, the original reason was for him to steal the warp 7 engine from the Romulans, which makes sense for an engineer--but that was just a made up reason.) If you need to send a spy, then it's kind of a no-brainer to send someone who is actually TRAINED as spy. The Enterprise crew has two obvious candidates: Reed, who had been in Section 31, and T'Pol, who as a young woman served as a V'Shar agent. And since they needed someone going into the Romulan Star Empire, the obvious no-brainer would be someone who could actually pass as Romulan--and that would be T'Pol.
But let's say they do want to pursue the warp 7 plotline and provide an excuse for Trip to fake his death down the road--then let me fix this for them...
There was no need to "kill" Trip BEFORE he was "dead." Militaries and spy agencies send operatives out on "special assignment" all the time. They don't claim that they're dead, they just don't tell anyone--including their families--where they are going. Starfleet decides, "Okay we need to find out what's happening behind that Copper Curtain, and it would be nice to get an evaluation of their technology, maybe get our hands on some of it. Let's send Trip Tucker. He's the most experienced engineer in Starfleet--and he's actually already worked with Romulan technology. But, wait a minute, we can't just send him in there alone--he's not trained as a spy. Someone, who is already trained, needs to be there to watch his back. Well, the obvious candidate is his girlfriend, T'pol. She's highly skilled and can already pass as a Romulan--and she'll do anything to protect him and the intelligence we want him to bring out of there." They send them both in for a SINGLE mission, doesn't need to be this years long ordeal. Although, if the writer wants up the ante, they could end up getting caught--for months--behind enemy lines. They can't contact Starfleet; there's no rescue ship coming; they're marooned. But they still have their cover, so, with her cunning and his technical skills, they take it upon themselves to start sabotaging the Romulan war machine, so that a technologically inferior Earth can actually defeat a technologically superior foe.
Meanwhile, Trip and T'pol have each other to interact with on a personal level, their romance can continue to blossom, or whatever. Neither are out there alone. They manage to make it out, get back to the Enterprise, mission accomplished. Section 31 takes notice of this, "Hmmm...this southern catfish fella is actually pretty impressive--and now he has real experience in the field. We could use him." They make him an offer he can't refuse, fake his death on the ACTUAL date, given us in "These are the Voyages," and the story continues on from there. Fixed it.
@@MoonjumperReviews In the books section 31 didn't know what Romulans looked like before Trip came back, and they DID pair him with an actual spy. The spy just inconveniently died very early on. Anyway I agree they could've done a better job explaining why Trip needed to fake his death
@Limi V - Unless my memory is faulty, which is possible, my recollection is that 31 did know before they recruited Trip. They surgically altered Trip before they ever sent him (he didn’t return and go back). They did send him in with a pilot to smuggle him in and out. Like you said, that guy was killed early on, and then Trip remained in the Empire posing as a Romulan for the remainder of the war. That’s my recollection, but it’s been awhile.
@@MoonjumperReviews I just read it last week and they definitely didn't know. The Section paid Adigeon surgeons to make Trip and the other guy look like Romulans because the Adigeons operated as go betweens for the Romulans, but the Adigeons didn't tell them what they'll look like in advance and seemed convinced Trip and the other guy won't live long enough for anyone to find out what Romulans look like. I got the ebooks so I could look it up for you if you want and tell you what chapter it was
THAT VULCANS A SPY
Engineer: buildin a sentry
Nice video! You spelled warp wrong in the description though haha
Fascinating early 21st century science fiction information of Star Trek Enterprise.
So Trip's 'death' was a ruse? Riiiighhht!
TRIP SURVIVED?
Geez I'm still learning new things with these videos.
You should really read the books
Just ignore that Riker-Troi long-delayed TNG episode about the NX-01. It had no relation to what actually happened on NX-01. The holodeck was broken, as usual.
I ACTUALLY HELPED FUND THE ROMULAN WAR FAN SERIES! and it actually has a seen from the Cylons Nuking the Twelve colonies very cleverly sliced in! so BSG CROSSOVER!
Vulcan/Romulan ancient history would be good, how they split, maybe bits about the Tal Shiar and Zhat Vash.
“Wait, so you’re saying that you actually need someone _Dumber_ than you are??“
“I think you’ve come to the right place..”
-Chief Science Officer Jackson & Admiral O’Neil, speaking to Vulcan High Command regarding the Romulan threat.
I have to think that only 100 years after WWIII, someone read an old book on hacking and network security and realized that hacking can happen on a spaceship. Maybe a copy of Ender's Game was in a Starfleet engineers computer or something like that.
I would like to see a timeline where humans do not push for the federation and have a more militaristic course with the united earth
There is one it's called the mirror universe
@@thomas6126 I am not talking about the mirrior universe
@@leonmesquita1690 Me too, the humans as they are....are too passive aggressive and way too peaceful. Idk too good to be true, its like hippies took over human civilization in ST.
Please make a video on Charles Trip Tucker... thanks.
Trip Tucker is not really dead. But he must let the galaxy think that he is dead until he can find a way to control the raging spirit that dwells within him. (lol!)
Lol!
I'd like to hear more about warp 7 species. I recall in STE, there were some aliens capable of warp 7 before Starfleet. I forget their names. How many warp 7 civilizations were there? When did each civilization discover warp 7? I'm also curious when each species first discovered warp.
Still best channel on youtube. You guys and rockandrolltruestories. You keep the culture alive and well. You honestly should be alex krutzman's chief Trek advisor.
Could you do something on the physical size of all the great powers and how many star systems and affiliated plans would be in the federation.
Janeway- the Krenum 200 star systems 900 planets. Thousands of warp capable ships.
I don't find a video about the Rigelians. Have you made one yet?
Star Trek Enterprise was getting good by the fourth season..
When it started producing stories that were tied to Canon and pre-dated TOS!
and provided a back-story prior to "KIRK" and the NCC-1701!
Best star trek series was Enterorise it should be restarted with Scott Bakula as Admiral archer and the Romulan War.
I hope the Charles Tucker Section 31 episode actually happens it would be quite interesting
Please a do special index for species 116 and other wich have either less Alfa cannon behind them !
Thanks in advance ☺
How about when the andorians gave starfleet phasers
@Stripey Arse hey that's even better!
@Stripey Arse Don't tell me. Tuesday.
"I guess a Vulkan's gotta do, what a Vulkan's gotta do... The Andorians on the other hand, they were HAPPY to provide the Phasers"
In the books the sharing of starship related technologies only happened after the Romulan war ended and the Federation was founded. Then the different technologies didn't work well together and they brought in Tobin Dax to fix everything, even though Tobin should've lived in the 23rd century and not the 22nd
@@limiv5272 Ohhh, so starfleet had to use what they had available. I like that even better
Does anyone have any links to the videos on the Romulan Earth war? I can only find this one, first few months and last year and there is nothing in the description saying what playlist this is part of.
Audio sounds good to me
Enterprise, so much screwing with the canon timeline...*sigh*
TOS had the First Contact of any race outside Romulan Space with a Romulan ship, due to the nebula that formed a natural barrier, it was the only ship (at the time) able to survive the trip. Then Enterprise decides there was a big war with them that got so covered up that neither side knew of the existence of the other side.
Enterprise got cancelled because the station it was on UPN went bye bye. If it stayed we would gotten at least 2 more seasons of Enterprise.
um, why is a Galaxy-class starship shown in relation to a video about these 'early' days of Starfleet? or, has this been covered before?
Tucker alive yeah need video for that
What happened to lasers before phase cannons and then finally phasers
Doesn’t it seem to be a bit of a plot hole in ST canon that advanced humans, and by inference, advanced in DNA technology would not know that Romulans and Vulcans came from the same stock of humanoids? By this point, it would be surprising that humans had no Romulan and Vulcan DNA samples whatsoever to compare.
So the Vulcans were caught off guard at the shared heritage with the Romulans ?? Ridiculous...
*"I got faith of the heart!"*
What happened to the xindi and the suliban ?
Yes Trip survived.
Are there any books or comics that go over these events that you would recommend?
The Good That Men Do
Kobayashi Maru
Beneath the Raptor's Wing
To Brave the Storm
@@Zreen001 thank you I will definitely check them out
@@V2011F be aware that the fate of the Columbia isn't in this set and is instead depicted in the kinda convoluted Titan: Destiny series. Haven't gotten to those yet but these are marginally connected to it through Columbia. Without going into spoilers.
@@Zreen001 The Good That Men Do is sooo goood
Enterprise sort of screwed things up by ending the way it did. Because we don't get the Earth Romulan War, it would imply it happened after the Federation was founded. The problem with this is twofold, first calling it the "Earth Romulan War" doesn’t fit as it would have been the Federation and not just Earth. Second the treaty of Algeron, which supposedly ended the war, established the neutral zone, and restricted THE FEDERATION from developing cloaking devices for their ships. If it had only been Earth in the war, then all the other member races who didnt take part and under no obligation to the Romulans, would have been free to develop and use cloaking devices.
Wait tuckers alive? I deafly wanna see another video on the subject
Nice work! But really ham-fisted with the Praetor/Hitler allegory. Could have made it less derivative.
I didn't notice any sound problems
Can you tell us what was going on with the andoraians, or tellarites at this time (I know I murdered the spelling?) They are core members of the federation and we get very little in story. I would think Andorians would be very good at fighting romulans, because of the pseudo Cold War with the Vulcans.
Wait, the last episode of Enterprise takes place 10 years into the future when the Federation was formed and the Earth-Romulan War was over. Therefore Tripp can die and not conflict with the novel.
Trip didn't die. Riker's story on the holodeck regarding the NX-01 was faulty. Par for the course of a holodeck on the Enterprise D. O'Brien jokes about that with Worf when Worf appears on FS9.
OK as much a i am fascinated by the Earth Romulan War since i First Heard about IT in 1999, the "fact" that Trip's Death was faked and He worked for section 31 seemes ridiculous!
If only we had this in STE. If you're missing Star Trek, I invite traditional Star Trek fans to enjoy a completely free novel, just Google Star Trek Lost Destiny.
How fast were Andorian and Tellerite ships during this era?
Will we get a personell file on Captain Boday?
I saw an artist's rendition of him on some website, transparent skull included.
@@Willpower-74205 nice
I thought that the Daedalus-class was later class of starship than the NX. Commissioned in the 2190s as far as I knew.
that is a bit pf a grey area as far as i can tell but then agagain alove of the pre-tos stuff is in a grey area.
According to Data in the TNG episode "Power Play," the Daedalus-was withdrawn from service in 2196. It stands to reason that they would've been in use during the Earth-Romulan War.
@@Willpower-74205 ah. Cool. I will add this to my database. Ha. Thanks.
@@Willpower-74205 neat i did't remember that line.
One problem the daedalus class was designed and in service after the nx class and during the late years of the romulan war
I dont know what annoys me more, the pointless death Trip got in star teks worst ever episode, or retconning him back to life in the books.
Didn't Trip die in 2161? So AFTER the 1st Romulan War?
Didn't they figure out war 7 at the end of enterprise
In the show Trip dies in 2161...
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Is this Canon?
Where is this lore from?
@Rising Horizon Gaming
Thanks.
It is ...in our hearts.
Malcom was the Section 31 agent, not Trip.
That would make more sense from a tactical perspective
Like #15 :-)
Tucker's Alive???
And he left T'Pol?
Spolier alert:
It was only for the duration of his mission. No worries, the best ENT couple got back together at the end of his mission in the books. :)
the Romulan War actually made enterprise interesting until star trek writers said nope let's write about something else.
Tucker lived?!?!?!?
Too rubbish to be targeted by modern weapons actually has historical precedent. The Bismarck’s auto guns were timed for modern airplanes and didn’t do well against the antiquated Swordfish torpedo planes used against it. Or so I once heard from the same channel that brings us Ancient Aliens... maybe I’ll go now.
Enterprise F ed up the earth Romulum war
Oh jeez, the novels. I wish you luck going through those because they are just *headscratching* at times when it comes to writing decisions.
Like the obsession around that period of putting Section 31 in literally everything. Minor event mentioned in the show, bam now it's a Section 31 operation. Something unpopular like killing a character? Bam, now they work for Section 31. That thing everyone loves? Now Section 31 is behind it.
It's like the writers took the horribly unreliable narrator that is Sloan at his word and ran with it, shoving it everywhere because they thought it was cool and edgy.
I mean at least when Discovery decided to include Section 31 it was very much a different incarnation that actually answered to the chain of command and was legitimately a branch of Starfleet Intelligence instead of the 100% extralegal entity we see in DS9 with events in the intervening century causing it to be excised like a tumor that unfortunately threatened to come back.
This sounds a lot like bad fanfic, frankly.
Eewwww... Discovery...
Sir can you please submit your resume to CBS/Viacom/Paramount to be a writer for Star Trek. Since Alex Kurtzman has set it on a crash course for a black hole!
i think kurtzman is the one thing a black hole couldn't devour.
Honestly I dismiss anything after Enterprise. STD and Picard can fuck off. The animated series makes no sense either.
Battlestar Galactica for the win!
construction or renovation isnt diy
rick,please do a video about the transporters,& how to marry & divorce in the star trek &star wars universe & please do a video about the hutts slaves & the slaves costumes
Human ships being overbuilt and retro, with this saving them from the Romy weapon, makes the look of the STO Connie make much more sense. Why slap slick touch screens on everything when that just makes you more vulnerable and a button or switch is more reliable and easy to swap out?
If only they had led with this instead of... the nothing that was the first season of Enterprise. Grim Dark Trek makes much more sense in the 22nd century where humanity has freshly clawed their way out of the aftermath of global nuclear war.