Hey Lore Reloaded. You're channel and content is pretty damn good too. But yes this is quality content. I acryally found LR first and found my way here too via your videos. So there's that tid bit of cool. 10/10 would recommend both channels
At the time of TNG, I was wishing they would do a spinoff series based on the crew of a D'deridex ship. Having a series centered in non-humans protagonists, together with the awesome ship would had been great. For example, imagine if Voyager had been a D'deridex.
There are at least a few abilities like the ones shown in Star Trek Online that I was ready to show, but it may have been another 3 days or more to build those scenes to my satisfaction. Perhaps in a future video they will be used.
Did your version include the 'pyramids' on the bottom of the lower hull? Probert originally wanted to have pyramid like structures on the inner bit of the lower hull, as a sort of living space and other purposes.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. All things rest on the warrior. Maybe we’ll have to see the Aquila-A (Aquila-Alpha) utilize them when it is built in the style of the new refit?
“She’s deadly alright. But the power requirements must be enormous. I bet if we modulate out sensors to detect high-band communications, this ship will show up as a subspace irregularity. We won’t be able to pin-point it, but we can certainly track it.” “Quite. And the further away we are, the more precise the detection will be. We ought to coordinate with the other ships in the fleet. Try and triangulate its position.” “Agreed. Alert all commands. We’re going hunting.”
@@TheFlyingSailorYT Or any stealth aircraft. C^4 Integration means that stealth technology is no longer fully effective against developed nation's militaries.
Reading it and hearing it in my head, it sounds gratifying that SW: Episode V , having stolen "Shields up" and "cloaking device" from the at-the-time seemingly exiled Star Trek franchise, had one of its own lines lifted into a ST:TNG episode: "Alert all commands." Eat Tachyon beams, Lucas. (Don't misinterpret my comment. I enjoy Star Wars and my wife is a lifelong SW fan. It's a pleasant rivalry 🥰)
Nice take on this class of ship. I recall the D’deridex was conceptualised to fit the narrative of the Romulans being a very feared and unwelcome adversary to Picard and his crew - it would pick on the Enterprise D every now and then and the hero ship could do nothing about it! This was the case until the producers decided to run with the Borg, the Romulan ship was then downgraded to be ‘equal’ to the Galaxy class in later seasons, and then the expendible cannon fodder we saw in DS9. Device / plot armour aside - just look at 0:03 with its opening volley of fwd firepower - no alpha quadrant ship would get up from that.
I've always liked this design. I would love to see a walk through layout of this ship like we've seen with the Enterprise D. I can only imagine the crew compliment must be for this design.
I admit this thought came because you used the Y-wing engine SFX for the Romulan fighters, but I'm now picturing an amazing joint Romulan-New Republic strike force where starfighters come buzzing out of the Warbird and it even ferries in a coupe CR90s
For number 4, I thought I saw somewhere that the targeting computers of the D’Deridex class was originally intended to fight cruiser sized vessels and actually had a tougher time against smaller ships. That was why the Romulans eventually launched the Valdore and Kerchan class, not sure if that’s canon or not but I kinda liked that idea personally. (Also in a Star Wars vs Star Trek scenario the first ability you showed would be extremely effective against a star destroyer.) Anyway, love the video!!!
Yeah not sure where but I read that the D'deridex faired quite poorly in the Dominion war as the smaller Jem hadar ships out maneuvered them. Which led to the new Valdores in Nemesis.
Think that might be from Vemon Geek Media 98's video about the Kerchan. Remember it saying something like that when pointing out the faults of the D'deridex and thus the need for two separate ship classes - or something.
@@rivertownproductions Don't think the Kerchan actually exists in canon, Alpha or Beta, so it might just be context he made up for a non-canon Warbird.
Tbh D'deridex would probably fair decentish or poorly vs many small attack crafs like JH had, as they had to just overwhelm the defences at rear and disable weapons. Like in WW2 you send 200-300 planes and there was no effective AA, Even now best systems work to 10-20 attack targets, and then they cant focus on anymore and are free defenceless targets. Alternative attack style would be ramming like JH did often, and reparing a D'Deridex would take much longer and more resources then building a new bug ship (as repairs by default take much longer and are less cost efficient). To it even when D'Deridex clearly being much stronger then Galaxy class as even in TNG show you have a sceen where it just passing by and shooting 1 volley from forward guns took down to minimum Enterprises shields (2nd volley = dead Galaxy, it wasnt a pure combat ship and that was a waste in terms of war (it was basicly a mobile base), thus making him have weaknesses that you dont need on a warship (all this is cannon): 1) had many non combat systems (it was kinda a mobile base) that are actually mentioned here, you could hold ships in mid of ship (like they did in the show), the fighter bay/scout bay (you dont need such large part of the ship dedicated to it), it also had Giagantic storage capabitlies for tousands of ppl/small army. 2) it was basicly a mobile base and a science ship - as it was used to survey/research all anomallies = shit loads of non esential research equipment and sensors. 3) you rly could storage a ship like we seen in shows in between the ships wings not rly needed if you have more/cheaper ships in navy. 4) yes the shape for shure allowed better hiding of the warp field (and all we know he could go undetected to warp 6 with the old cloacking devices, and not new ones used on Valdore (had fire power in somewhat lvl's of D'Deridex if we look at movies and quite decent durability) or Scimitar - where Enterprise couldnt detect them at all), and still increasing size of the ship overall reduces its invisibility. It is an epic ship, but i whished they made for Dominion War at least 1 lower subclas of Romulans so that they are decentish represented, as no navy can function on 2 ship classes alone. When Romulans actually were mostly victorious vs Dominion in engagemens (like we see in show) it rly is wierd how they made them weak after it, to the lvl of not being able to evacuate their home world :/ Either they had some wierd civil war (when shinzon got to be the leader) and lost shit loads of navy or i dont know. As Romulans had by far the lowest casualties and loses. This is because of shorter time in war, but also because in DS9 we only can hear they were winning, and basicly very few times we hear they lost battles except the joined forces - only one significant Romulan vs Dominion loss we hear about is their leader ship for a strike group.
You have give justice to the most beautifull and my personal be loved Star Trek's ship. Amazing job in the animations, I truly loved that, please show us more video with the D'Deridex Class Warbird. And Tank you again
Best ship of TNG era and it`s really a shame we didn`t see it`s true potential firepower and other features on screen. I also would like to see Kerchan class as it`s successor, not that misapprehension seen in ST Picard. Amazing Blender skills as always, so much details
I've always felt like the D'deridex was the closest Star Trek equivalent of the Imperial Star Destroyer. Great vid, and awesome to hear about your professional gig!
Great vid!! She was designed to surprise and overwhelm Federation and Klingon capital ships. With the Dominion and Federation’s introduction of the Defiant and other combat-based vessels, the D’deridex was soon outclassed and outmaneuvered.
I had the AMT model for this ship as a kid. I must have studied every nook and cranny of it. One thing I remember is that there ARE impulse engines. They’re behind the shuttle bays, with their exhaust being directed along the upper surface of the inner wing. I always imagined that this was to somehow condition the engine exhaust to aid with stealth.
On the shows, plasma carries power around the ship and "venting plasma" always causes an immediate, dramatic loss of power. So probably not a useful mode of propulsion, even if it did work the ship would powerless for a time after the speed burst. Also the "Kolvoord Starburst" idea ... vented plasma flares could ignite and blow up your own engines, not good in battle.
@@hphp31416 Agree: Venting plasma would be an effective combat tactic as described, but its impact on the vessel's momentum would (and should) be negligible for tactical purposes. If you're not accelerating reaction mass to high relativistic exhaust velocities (especially with a ship of _that_ *size* ), then you're really just ... venting plasma.
WOW! So amazing this video! It was worth the wait but I was having Resurrected Starship withdrawals...lol. Congratulations on the new job and again, WOW!
This was a great video(the raptor docking was something I never thought of!),but there's a couple things I don't agree with for example while the galaxy class may at first seem much weaker due to the sizes involved it can fire,in theory as i don't remember it being shown,20 torpedoes from BOTH launchers at the same time something no other ship of it's generation could match which would be an insta kill on anything smaller then a cube. A few years back on trekyards channel I said how a military has to balance it's resources between high tech and mass production and the romulans caught with the tech based federation on one side and the mass producing klingons on the other would have to have the capability to match both something that would be impossible unless they did two things. 1 # They focus on improving cloaking devices to counter the federations strategic long range sensor capability. 2 # They use OLDER weapons and shield tech for mass production to counter the klingons fleet firepower. So following these needs the obvious answer would be to use decades old STARBASE size weapons,which while less advanced would be powerful due to size,fitted into a less sophisticated but large mass producible hulls that could fit the starbase sized weapons and which would simply require more materials something their slave laborers could supply. 3 # Sensors would be next for importance so THEY could track federation ships. 4 # This leaves SHIELDS which would be the least important for them and would get the least money/resources and so their ships would be more vulnerable compared to nearly any other enemy something clearly shown in the shows.
I do not agree. I think that, compared to smaller, more specialized designs, the Warbird - as an emblem of Romulan prowess and superiority - would receive as much attention as the Federation's Galaxy Class or the Klingon's K'vort class (or even more, based on its size and complexity), and EVERY system area would be given a priority status relative to its importance in various scenarios. While it's reasonable to guess that with cloaking technology and powerful weaponry, Romulans might skimp on shields; but not, I say, in a class of this size and prestige. The 'Alpha Strike' is as close as one gets to 'instakill' on a full-class Starship or Battlecruiser, but I do not think the Romulans would be so arrogant as to depend on opening moves to win the board, especially with a design of so much secondary capability, which gives them more ways to win - and more ways to lose if such a vessel becomes crippled or boarded.
For me, TNG had some of the best starship designs...from the Galaxy Class, to the D'deridex Class and the Ferengi D'kora Class ships. My personal favorite (besides the D'deridex Class Warbird) is the Husnock Warship...would love to see your analysis of that ship.
it ticked me off that the Husnock ship only appears in _one_ episode. we'll never get to know what an actual Husnock looks like.....we only saw Kevin's recreation of one of their warships.
The series Enterprise had Vulcan ships have a wheel structure where the hull had a hole in it, similar to the gap in the hull of the Romulan cruiser. This implied that a gap-hull may have been a vulcanian design aesthetic.
The only natural enemy of the D'deridex is the TNG scaling problem whereby klingon birds of prey can suddenly expand to the size of Galaxy class ships like in The Defector. In reality the 2 D'deridex should have been able to wipe the floor with them.
When you show and tell the D'deridex Aquila's ability to make a cloaked alpha strike then keep moving forward to continue it's assault on it's target, made me think how very accurately similar that is to how a cloakable Klingon D7 / Ktinga Battlecruiser would itself make an attack run; as explained in the Klingon Space Fleet Doctrine. It's really exciting how on so many levels the D7 / K'tinga continues to be such an influential heritage of both the Klingons and Romulans. Also, I feel like that Plasma Spike would be a devastatingly dramatic way for a D'deridex warbird's strafing run to cause the targeted enemy ship to become battered, blind and impotent. This would be excellent for a villainous-like escape at the conclusion of perhaps reconnaissance in force , or as part of a group strategy to cause such an enemy to be helpless and vulnerable to follow-up attacks from the D'deridex's wingmates or even it's attack craft / Fighters. As for the Cloaking Device, within Star Trek Picard (though easily overlooked and hard to understand from the scene), the Snakehead fighter was able to use it's Cloaking device to cause a false "afterimage"-like Projection to misdirect and confuse an opponent. Perhaps this something Romulans can do with the cloaking system of the D'deridex, with itself or even other ships, fighters or even torpedoes and mines; Romulans do seem to a race and group that like being clever with how they befuddle, manipulate and then brutalize the opposition. This makes be start thinking about the Andorian telepath operated tele-presence Holo Drone from Star Trek Enterprise (from one of the best story arcs in that series).
VGA Planets.... Been playing it from the beginning of time as a BBS Door game. I used to run The Duckworks BBS that had multiple VGA Planets games running
'Before some of you call this a Mary Sue ship's - bro, it's not. Your ideas make sense. The plasma spike can also be for rapid plasma venting which is the same as a smoke screen in WW2 era and prior navies. Those Vents are also differentially balanced thanks to the design, so both vents on top and bottom wing sections rapid ejecting plasma could equal a reaction force, A.E, a lot of damned thrust. This means that whole the D'Deridex is large enough to have a lowe turn rate, it does have the potential to rapid accelerate and use 'Boom and Zoom' tactics which, matches the 'Alpha Strike' presentation. The fact that the Warbird is also a Fleet Carrier vessel is something I wish we saw in action. It has huge potential for the Commander of that vessel to perform Carrier Ops while cloaked which actually makes the D'Deridex one of the few viable Carrier types to exist in Star Trek's lore (considering that Star Trek does not play well with the idea of small fighter ships being viable). The Singularity core is going to be a more potent powerplant than virtually all known basic Warp Cores using Anti-matter containment methods. This plays a role in just how powerful the shields would be and how potent the disruptor weapons would be. There's is a far higher potential energy potential with this D'Deridex's core, lending even more credence to the idea of a Cloaked Alpha Strike doctrine.
WOW!! I never knew this ship was so formidable, now I see why it's called WAR BIRD!! and yes I did think the galaxy class and the war bird were the same size, shame on me!😲 This video really helped me to appreciate this Awesome ship! Thank you so much for doing this video NICE WORK!! I'd love to see more🖖❤👍👍
Always loved the way this warbird looks. A magnificent piece of creative starship architecture. Almost as good-looking as the Andor-class missile cruiser. Almost.
The Romulans are my favorite Star Trek race and outside of Federation ships, (the Galaxy and Nebula are my absolute favorite) I also love the Warbird. I know that over the decades, many people like to point out how amazing it is that the D'Deridex is noticeably larger than a Galaxy class as a strong point however, I think it is even more impressive that despite being smaller, the Galaxy class (and possibly the Nebula class) are considered equals to the Warbird in terms of fighting ability.
The Plasma Spike could also be used as a smoke screen maybe. Dispersing plasma in front, behind or around the vessel to disrupt sensors or something like that. It'd be like a less targeted version of what it can do already :)
On Star Trek Online, there is a bigger Klingon battleship that is the successor to the Negh'Var class. This new ship carried 2 bird of prey, four runabout size shuttles, and 12 fighters. So, it literally carried its own fleet with it.
Based on some measuring of other 3d ship models, the cubic volume of a d'deridex is around 26 million m^3, wile a galaxy class is around 5.8 million m^3. D'deridex volume would depend heavily on just how thick the wings are on any given model, but its safe to say that the nose section is easily more volumus than an entire galaxy class star ship.
the size and power of these ships makes the Enterprise C's battle against them even more impressive, considering that it destroyed at least one war bird before being incapacitated
I would object to the plasma spike being a bespoke ability for your ship variant. However Romulans do have a history of weaponized plasma effects, and its design to cover a vulnerable aft section is sound tactics. As for your alpha strike attack? C'mon standard romulan tactics there, at least from my run at STO. close gapwhile cloaked. Decloak while unloading everything, and keep on going. I love my little t'varo. Nothing against the D'deridex, but I always found her to be unwieldy, slow to turn, sluggish, and a poor fit for my piloting. Give me the little doom hockey puck any day.
the trick to the d'deridex is the battle cloak, as all romulan ships have one. all the big romulan ships have one, don't forget to re-cloak after a successful run on the enemy.
Huh. Glad I wasn't the only one who had the idea to use the Central Gap of the D'deridex Class as a way to include external small starship docking arrays.
I know I commented the bulk of what I'm about to say on a previous video but I realized something this morning and I thought I'd share. I believe the the D'deridex cavity is where industrial replicator emitters within the wings materialize objects, like smaller vessel. (Of course, in this case, "smaller" includes vehicles the size of Excelcior. Indeed, a galaxy class would fit in the cavity but could exit only if the head & necks could get out of the way.) I believe a D'deridex has at least two artificial quantum singularities (AQSs) and mass can be directly removed from them at a rate of at least 51 kg/sec to be used by the replicators for creating objects. (51 kg/s is the mass equivalent of the energy used by 1701-D warp fields at 9.6wf, the max speed given D'deridex in Tin Man. This energy use is according to the power usage graph found in the TNG Tech Manual. I believe the D'Deridex uses more energy going at this speed due to its greater mass and volume compared to the a Galaxy but I know of no other reference for power useage to make such estimations. Of course, the vessel would also need to power its cloaking device at the same time. No data on this power requirement, either. Factoring in inefficiency and I suspect the number is closer to 150 kg/s. But that is complete guess work.) However, the total amount of mass usable to the replicators is probably much greater; indeed, probably more like 0.5 to 10 metric tonne per second, as 0.5 tonne per second would allow for a Constitution massed starship (~100 KT) to be replicated in around 2.5 days and 10 T/s would allow a Galaxy (~5 MT) class to be replicated in about 6 days. (I figure these are good Min/Max estimates.) Such huge amounts of mass could be removed from asteroids, comets, moons or other objects via teleporters. If true, then a D'deridex could belly up to a gigatonne asteroid and pump out attack drones by the millions to invade a solar system they want to conquer. Indeed, as big as she is, a D'deridex could probably temporarily carry enough troops to passify a small moon; and I would speculate the replicator and transporter systems would be beefy enough to support such an operation. And this is what got me thinking this morning: What kind of enemy would require the kind of response I'm claiming a D'deridex, or a fleet of D'deridexs, could expell? Remember that this vessel was fully formed by the time of TNG:The Neutral Zone, when it first apeared. Remember Tebok's statement? "Matters more urgent caused our absence." I suspect those matters included the need for a D'deridex and all her capabilities. IMHO, including the ability to mass replicate infrastructure and transport onto planetary surfaces, replicate starships, eat entire asteroids for long(ish) term energy storage in their AQS. A word about her AQS. We know a Romulan AQS is not like a natural black hole/singularity thanks to the TNG:Timescape aliens. I suspect an AQS is controlled via tractor beams of set to repel rather than attract, as was shown in TNG:The Naked Now. These high powered repulsor beams would intersect to create an artificial event horizon. My speculation is that mass can be stored as a singularity within this event horizon and can be forced to escape by shrinking the event horizon to increase the production of Hawking radiation, which can then be captured and diverted for the purposes of power or otherwise. The smaller the event horizon, the more Hawkings radiation is emitted; the larger the horizon, the less radiation. The precision of these repulsors would be extreme: natural singularities with hawkings radiation on the order of 50kg/s would be sub-atomic and AQS horizons would have to be similarly small. Because in this case the horizon is largely independent of the amount of mass in the singularity, enormous amounts of mass could be stored and while forcing out Hawkings radiation at energy levels as though it were a small singularity; or the event horizon could be enlarged so that very little energy is radiated even though there is very little mass left in the singularity. To this extent I suspect there are at least two singularities on the D'deridex: one with a large event horizon so that you can feed it with mass collected by the Bussard collectors or transporters, and one with a small horizon from which you can extract power for running the vessel. Furthermore, this method of extracting energy from an AQS would allow the Romulans to convert near 100% of the mass of the AQS into energy. Furthermore, unlike an antimatter system, any kind of matter can be used to create energy for your systems. An iron asteroid, for example, would do just fine. You would need ~25x more moles of anti-deuterium in your ships tanks to use one mole of iron, assuming you could use the iron in your injectors at all. With all that said, and the extreme abilities of an AQS system mated with an industrial replicator could perform, what kind of "More urgent matter" would be required to create such a device in large numbers? I don't really have a good answer but it's good story fodder.
Entirely not Starfleet propaganda: all D'Deridex class corridors carry a faintly farty smell. And their holodecks can't run Crysis. Muahahahaha, fear my epic plasma burns! More seriously, it's probably my favourite TNG era ship too, even _with_ the farty smell 😁
i like the idea of the dderidex class being a mobile support base for invasion of planetary systems. its not at all far from the truth given that the romulan star empire won its conquests.
I'm pretty sure you would have seen the size difference in the first episode you see the romulans again in TNG involving those outposts that got destroyed by the borg along the neutral zone.
Thank you for giving this ship the respect it deserves. Most peoples take on this ship that it's a poor design..poor maneuverability... poor weapon arches...etc...I never subscribed to these opinions. I always thought of this ship as one of the Trek universe's most powerful and advanced vessels with unsurpassed weapons at its disposal. Plasma torpedos..disrupters..photons..this vessel was a beast that never got its due. And it would have been nice to see a battle between this and the Galaxy class just to illustrate just how out-matched the Galaxy would have been...in my opinion anyway.
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Keep in mind that the minimum possible pressure vessel mass scales straight linearly with volume. If the D'deridex is 10x the pressurized volume, it either needs to be made of better materials, be 10x more massive, use its materials more efficiently, operate at lower pressures, or operate with lower margins of safety. Furthermore, structural weight meant to withstand the vessel's own thrust is going to be an issue, as is armor, given that many D'deridex classes are intended as strictly warships and they have more difficulty dodging than smaller vessels. More heavily pressurized areas like tankage for impulse fuel will also have to be large and heavy. There is every reason to believe that it is *at least* as large relative to something like a Galaxy or Sovereign as its volume implies.
Note I don't mention antimatter or Dilithium. This is both because we don't have good understanding of the scaling laws that govern such things, and because I'm not totally convinced that the Romulans even use these. AFAIK, the Romulans use a small singularity to power the warp nacelles. Something that is even less easy to reason about than Federation tech.
There's also the matter of the singularity core. (aka, a small blackhole, contained inside a containment field) Because a singularity core is a black hole, it has the advantage of being a endless source of energy. This practically means that the captain can do all sorts of shenanigans to make the ship even more of a monster, like putting maximum power to weapons, with little, or almost no effect to it's power cost. It can even put it's weapons in a overload state if he wants for some time, before it causes damage to the systems and the weapons. The core can also redirect some of it's power to reinforce structural field, should it be needed, or, the captain can just create a artificial black hole behind it's vessel if it needs to. (then again, im not sure if that's the case with this one, since this comes from STO, which is a game where any ship can become the next planet killer if the player wants, so this one might be unlikely and non-canon) In short, rom ships are beasts. This might be due to the fact that the writers thought of the old roman empire when writing the romulan star empire. After all, the romulan has some old latin on it, giving more of the impression of the romulans being rome soldiers.
I think based on their appearances in TNG, regardless of tonnage, the D’Deridex does really seem on parity with the Galaxy capability-wise. It’s rarely treated as an overwhelming foe; maybe just one that might win 60/40 vs a Galaxy (and notably that’s the pre-dominion war galaxy). After all, Picard regarded a battle between 2 D’Deridex versus the Enterprise D and 4 K’Vort Heavy Birds of Prey as a mutually destructive battle. Starfleet has been repeatedly shown to have simply superior technology to most other powers in nearly all areas other than cloaking, so the difference in size isn’t necessarily an indication of the difference power.
Assuming these were full cannon concepts, it would still explain why a Galaxy class starship would be effective against one. Recall, the Enterprise and Tamalok were always at a stand off, meaning they were evenly matched. The Warbirds was just lacked any serious maneuverability. If the warbirds didn't finish the ship off with the first alpha strike (which now that I think about it was used in TNG), the Galaxy class could easily out maneuver the thing.
In Star Trek Armada series the D'deridex can make use of most of your ideas and the Shield Inversion Beam allowing for refreshing shields after cloaking fixing that problem most cloakers in the game face (loosing shields to fire if detected before decloaking cycle is complete) or adding that layer of tactical tanking for smaller ships to take out the larger more dangerous vessels. I'm imaging the beam is unique to just Armada, but would be interesting to see against the Borg or Dominion, then again not everything can be cannonised eh?
What a mean ship! I had no idea it was that large and had that potential. Good thing they didn't use it to its full potential! I guess the STNG writers had no idea what monster they had created! lol
probably botf or modded fleet ops, speaking of which i rly miss watching multiplayer matches for it. Its been dead for years. I myself used to be active armada 2 multiplayer player waay back in early 2000's. It was great time , lot of good memories.
Awesome video! I love what you did with this great ship and i agree that they were treated poorly in DS9... welll not enough focuss on them... They probably felt that enough was don in TNG...
I've just started playing STO and am piloting a D'Khellra on one of my two characters. At least in the game versus DS9, I'm complimented by many smaller tactical vessels. I always thought the ISE suffered from overusing this ship in exclusion to a more balanced fleet. I believe it could have done better on screen if this were so
The stealth alpha is exactly why the Gorn Anchor is such a standard practice against Romulan ships. Kind of sad that we never see that tactic in action.
Too overcome the weakness of maneuverability you could theoretically enhance the power of the structural integrity field using the singularity or build the aquilla with a reinforced frame in order to pull off bird of prey style maneuvers.
i always wondered why gravimetric weaponry isnt used more. if you torpedo exploded into a singularity it might have more power than an explosion and would consume all mater and energy until it was gone, leaving the small singularity to evaporate via hawking radiation. Using a singularity as a power source would mean there is almost limitless power potential as the angular momentum of the actual singularly reaches infinity. Than along with the mass of the singularity would give it a perminat ability to shift the light away and appear as a black hole and not a ship.
First time to your channel. I am subscribing and recommending to all. Keep up the great work. Just a wish video from me would be something with the Ascension class starship fleshed out, specs, internal shots, size comparison to the D'deridex from this video, etc..
The Dederidex ist also my Favorite Ship in Star Trek. And i think it gets not the Attention this ship should have. Thx for the Video some of the Secret i dont knów or dont put enough attention to. In Star Trek Online my Romulans have all a Dederidex aviable even there are better ships for usage for a sience captain for example i simply love the design.
This is my personal favourite ship design too, they should've used in nemesis, though presumably if they had the battle with the Scimitar would have lasted allot longer, and the film's budget wouldn't allow for that.
I always figured the Romulan D'deterdex Class could carry a few Birds of Prey between it hulls in the open space. And if the Birds of Prey where cloaked also you would not know they were there until they attacked.
FWIW, I think you are underestimating the relative volumes. Excluding the engines, the following would seem to be true (based on comparing the images side-by-side in the video: 1) Ignoring the engines, the D’deridex can be thought of as breaking down into six parts: head and neck, stern, two upper wings (port and starboard), and two lower wings. The Enterprise-D likewise, has a primary hull (saucer) and a secondary hull. 2) The head of the D’deridex is about 2/3rds the length of the Ent-D’s saucer section, and maybe 5x the height. It’s much narrower. Overall it’s probably the size of the Ent-D’s saucer, and maybe the size of Ent-D’s saucer and secondary hull combined, not including the neck. 3) Each wing of the D’deridex is about as wide as the saucer section, half again as deep as the saucer section and about as long as the saucer section. The difference in shape is a little deceptive, though, with the spine being a LOT longer. If I had to guess, I would say that at a minimum each wing is about 1.5 times the size of Ent-D’s saucer and secondary hull combined. 4) The stern of the D’deridex is wider than the Ent-D’s secondary hull and a LOT taller. I’d guess the stern plus the neck are approaching the size of the Ent-D. So, just eyeballing it, I get: - Head: 1 x Ent-D - Wings: 6 x Ent-D - Stern and neck: 1 x Ent-D TOTAL: About 8x the size of the Ent-D. I’ll point out that if you double something solid in all 3 dimensions (like a surface ship), the internal volume goes up by a factor of 8. In this case, it’s twice the length, twice the width, and three times the height. These are simple geometric solids, so you can’t just assume 2x2x3=12 times the volume, but I do think that my calculations above are, if anything, conservative. One could easily conclude that the D’deridex being 10x the volume of Enterprise-D is more or less correct. So, does this matter? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on a lot of factors not discussed.
very informativ - one of my favourite pcgames are star trek - armada, and i choosed all the time in the network battles the romulans. in that game the romulan warbirds has the feature to absorbate the shield power of the enemy ships. that feature is sadly missing. but it is also a good video for my opinion.
In STO it'd be great if you could cancel the freaking red alert so you can actually use this tactic of pop cloak. Shoot, run. Use clock reposition, pop, shoot and rinse and repeat. That damage bonus from sneak attack though..
How much would it cost to get a modified D'Deridex in one of your videos? After looking at the comparison with the Galaxy, I'd love to see a modified D'Deridex with docking clamps and additional tractor beams. It could be used to grapple onto key targets, pull them into that negative space, and go to warp with an entire captured ship.
In Star Trek Bridge Commander you engage with several Romulan Warbirds and it still freaks me out how overpowered (or underpowered the Galaxy class )they were.
It's amazing how these ships didn't fare well in the secret attack against the Dominion. "The Die is Cast - DS9" The nimble Jemadar ships annihilated them. Yet after aligning themselves with the Federation, they helped win the war.
Well, at first, Dominion phased polaron beams passed right through Alpha Quadrant deflector shields, allowing the Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order fleet of 40 to be cut to ribbons by 150 Jem'Hadar attack ships. That is 3.75 Dominion ships for every Alpha Quadrant ship, and recall three Jem'Hadar ships could tear apart a Galaxy Class with that polaron beam advantage. The Dominion was also pretty good at penetrating Romulan Cloaking devices. But then the Federation improved their shield technology by the second battle of Ds9, rendering Dominion weapons no more potent than standard phasers or disruptors. I'm sure Starfleet shared this technology with the Romulans once they joined the war effort.
7:03 The weaknesses of the D'deridex Warbird. It reminds me of the Worf maneuver from the first Armada PC game. ua-cam.com/video/jRdx932aIPA/v-deo.html
Plasma spike I made up, tractors I logicked out - the rest is implied by the original designer, Andrew Probert - and this D'd is closer to his original concept. If you think the original designer's intent is or should be canon, then for you, its canon. Has most of this been on-screen? Unfortunately no.
on your point #2: i believe there was an episode of TNG were it was demonstrated that a D'deridex lost its "perfect" cloak abilities at high warp and your "interpolation" of warpfield dynamics seems a bit... lacking otherwise awesome video!
Man, wish I had your skill. Such a good channel.
one can construct fleets, other can deconstruct our screen shown feelings, Lore
He deserves more views like you
Fleet level flanking ambush, hammer and anvil tactics . Basically use the federation fleet as the anvil the warbirds as the hammer
You should do a collaboration.
Hey Lore Reloaded. You're channel and content is pretty damn good too.
But yes this is quality content. I acryally found LR first and found my way here too via your videos.
So there's that tid bit of cool.
10/10 would recommend both channels
I love the plasma spike, very creative idea and good surprise when in combat
I always thought the Romulans had awesome ships and was disappointed we never got to see much of them in action.
At the time of TNG, I was wishing they would do a spinoff series based on the crew of a D'deridex ship. Having a series centered in non-humans protagonists, together with the awesome ship would had been great. For example, imagine if Voyager had been a D'deridex.
That's why DS9 is my favorite series.
There are at least a few abilities like the ones shown in Star Trek Online that I was ready to show, but it may have been another 3 days or more to build those scenes to my satisfaction. Perhaps in a future video they will be used.
Did your version include the 'pyramids' on the bottom of the lower hull? Probert originally wanted to have pyramid like structures on the inner bit of the lower hull, as a sort of living space and other purposes.
Thrawn Analysis Vide coming up... RIGHT???
TheCastellan pyramids for landing platforms for Goa’uld mother ha’taks?
Perhaps. Perhaps not. All things rest on the warrior. Maybe we’ll have to see the Aquila-A (Aquila-Alpha) utilize them when it is built in the style of the new refit?
The Tactical Tractor Beams are quite a good option though adjusting them and turning them into repulsor mode could be just as useful too
Finally a guy that compares volume instead of just length.
This makes me miss the old “Armada” and “Armada II” games.
There is an armada three mod for sins of a solar empire!
@isaaclove1144 is it currently stable? I tried it a few years ago. It stopped working after a forced W11 update.
These ships were so awesome and I wish we'd gotten to see them unleash their full potential.
Thanks for giving the Star Empire some really due credit. Amazing work indeed!
It's pretty awesome to see your talents being recognized like this. Can't wait to see the models you made for the game. Nice job!
“She’s deadly alright. But the power requirements must be enormous. I bet if we modulate out sensors to detect high-band communications, this ship will show up as a subspace irregularity. We won’t be able to pin-point it, but we can certainly track it.”
“Quite. And the further away we are, the more precise the detection will be. We ought to coordinate with the other ships in the fleet. Try and triangulate its position.”
“Agreed. Alert all commands. We’re going hunting.”
Shades of SOSUS or the British radio direction-finding system used during World Wars I and II.
it's just so green :)
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thing's gotta have a tailpipe :P
Pretty much the tactic that can be used to triangulate and detect F-22s.
@@TheFlyingSailorYT Or any stealth aircraft. C^4 Integration means that stealth technology is no longer fully effective against developed nation's militaries.
Reading it and hearing it in my head, it sounds gratifying that SW: Episode V , having stolen "Shields up" and "cloaking device" from the at-the-time seemingly exiled Star Trek franchise, had one of its own lines lifted into a ST:TNG episode:
"Alert all commands."
Eat Tachyon beams, Lucas.
(Don't misinterpret my comment. I enjoy Star Wars and my wife is a lifelong SW fan. It's a pleasant rivalry 🥰)
Nice take on this class of ship. I recall the D’deridex was conceptualised to fit the narrative of the Romulans being a very feared and unwelcome adversary to Picard and his crew - it would pick on the Enterprise D every now and then and the hero ship could do nothing about it! This was the case until the producers decided to run with the Borg, the Romulan ship was then downgraded to be ‘equal’ to the Galaxy class in later seasons, and then the expendible cannon fodder we saw in DS9.
Device / plot armour aside - just look at 0:03 with its opening volley of fwd firepower - no alpha quadrant ship would get up from that.
I've always liked this design. I would love to see a walk through layout of this ship like we've seen with the Enterprise D. I can only imagine the crew compliment must be for this design.
I admit this thought came because you used the Y-wing engine SFX for the Romulan fighters, but I'm now picturing an amazing joint Romulan-New Republic strike force where starfighters come buzzing out of the Warbird and it even ferries in a coupe CR90s
Haha leave it to one of my subs to notice such a thing! I keep getting these Trek and Star Wars crossover ideas from you guys...geeze! lol
@@resurrectedstarships You're welcome! If anyone has the modeling skills to pull it off, you do
For number 4, I thought I saw somewhere that the targeting computers of the D’Deridex class was originally intended to fight cruiser sized vessels and actually had a tougher time against smaller ships. That was why the Romulans eventually launched the Valdore and Kerchan class, not sure if that’s canon or not but I kinda liked that idea personally.
(Also in a Star Wars vs Star Trek scenario the first ability you showed would be extremely effective against a star destroyer.)
Anyway, love the video!!!
Yeah not sure where but I read that the D'deridex faired quite poorly in the Dominion war as the smaller Jem hadar ships out maneuvered them. Which led to the new Valdores in Nemesis.
Think that might be from Vemon Geek Media 98's video about the Kerchan. Remember it saying something like that when pointing out the faults of the D'deridex and thus the need for two separate ship classes - or something.
@@saj2392 yeah, thats where I heard it from, but wasn’t his videos based in canon? Or beta canon at least?
@@rivertownproductions Don't think the Kerchan actually exists in canon, Alpha or Beta, so it might just be context he made up for a non-canon Warbird.
Tbh D'deridex would probably fair decentish or poorly vs many small attack crafs like JH had, as they had to just overwhelm the defences at rear and disable weapons. Like in WW2 you send 200-300 planes and there was no effective AA, Even now best systems work to 10-20 attack targets, and then they cant focus on anymore and are free defenceless targets. Alternative attack style would be ramming like JH did often, and reparing a D'Deridex would take much longer and more resources then building a new bug ship (as repairs by default take much longer and are less cost efficient).
To it even when D'Deridex clearly being much stronger then Galaxy class as even in TNG show you have a sceen where it just passing by and shooting 1 volley from forward guns took down to minimum Enterprises shields (2nd volley = dead Galaxy, it wasnt a pure combat ship and that was a waste in terms of war (it was basicly a mobile base), thus making him have weaknesses that you dont need on a warship (all this is cannon):
1) had many non combat systems (it was kinda a mobile base) that are actually mentioned here, you could hold ships in mid of ship (like they did in the show), the fighter bay/scout bay (you dont need such large part of the ship dedicated to it), it also had Giagantic storage capabitlies for tousands of ppl/small army.
2) it was basicly a mobile base and a science ship - as it was used to survey/research all anomallies = shit loads of non esential research equipment and sensors.
3) you rly could storage a ship like we seen in shows in between the ships wings not rly needed if you have more/cheaper ships in navy.
4) yes the shape for shure allowed better hiding of the warp field (and all we know he could go undetected to warp 6 with the old cloacking devices, and not new ones used on Valdore (had fire power in somewhat lvl's of D'Deridex if we look at movies and quite decent durability) or Scimitar - where Enterprise couldnt detect them at all), and still increasing size of the ship overall reduces its invisibility.
It is an epic ship, but i whished they made for Dominion War at least 1 lower subclas of Romulans so that they are decentish represented, as no navy can function on 2 ship classes alone.
When Romulans actually were mostly victorious vs Dominion in engagemens (like we see in show) it rly is wierd how they made them weak after it, to the lvl of not being able to evacuate their home world :/ Either they had some wierd civil war (when shinzon got to be the leader) and lost shit loads of navy or i dont know. As Romulans had by far the lowest casualties and loses. This is because of shorter time in war, but also because in DS9 we only can hear they were winning, and basicly very few times we hear they lost battles except the joined forces - only one significant Romulan vs Dominion loss we hear about is their leader ship for a strike group.
You have give justice to the most beautifull and my personal be loved Star Trek's ship. Amazing job in the animations, I truly loved that, please show us more video with the D'Deridex Class Warbird. And Tank you again
Best ship of TNG era and it`s really a shame we didn`t see it`s true potential firepower and other features on screen. I also would like to see Kerchan class as it`s successor, not that misapprehension seen in ST Picard. Amazing Blender skills as always, so much details
Resurrected Starships tested.
Black Romulan approved.
I've always felt like the D'deridex was the closest Star Trek equivalent of the Imperial Star Destroyer.
Great vid, and awesome to hear about your professional gig!
Indeed. Its also like the trek equivilent of an ISD with a cloaking device thats more well utilized.
But far superior.
Great vid!! She was designed to surprise and overwhelm Federation and Klingon capital ships. With the Dominion and Federation’s introduction of the Defiant and other combat-based vessels, the D’deridex was soon outclassed and outmaneuvered.
That was a really amazing video the D'deridex Warbird is a really badass Ship
Please get hired by some CBS or Cryptic
Not enough words to express my astonishment. Look forward to the proposed game. As always, never a disappointment.
Thanks for your talent.
I had the AMT model for this ship as a kid. I must have studied every nook and cranny of it. One thing I remember is that there ARE impulse engines. They’re behind the shuttle bays, with their exhaust being directed along the upper surface of the inner wing. I always imagined that this was to somehow condition the engine exhaust to aid with stealth.
Loved the FASA Winged Defenders at the end!!!
Could the plasma vents/spike be also used as a way to accelerate the warbird in combat situations?
On the shows, plasma carries power around the ship and "venting plasma" always causes an immediate, dramatic loss of power. So probably not a useful mode of propulsion, even if it did work the ship would powerless for a time after the speed burst.
Also the "Kolvoord Starburst" idea ... vented plasma flares could ignite and blow up your own engines, not good in battle.
Maybe as a last ditch save your skin maneuver but that would be about the only situation I can think of!
it would be chemical rockets equivalent with impulse and warp drives aviable
@@hphp31416 Agree: Venting plasma would be an effective combat tactic as described, but its impact on the vessel's momentum would (and should) be negligible for tactical purposes. If you're not accelerating reaction mass to high relativistic exhaust velocities (especially with a ship of _that_ *size* ), then you're really just ... venting plasma.
WOW! So amazing this video! It was worth the wait but I was having Resurrected Starship withdrawals...lol. Congratulations on the new job and again, WOW!
This was a great video(the raptor docking was something I never thought of!),but there's a couple things I don't agree with for example while the galaxy class may at first seem much weaker due to the sizes involved it can fire,in theory as i don't remember it being shown,20 torpedoes from BOTH launchers at the same time something no other ship of it's generation could match which would be an insta kill on anything smaller then a cube.
A few years back on trekyards channel I said how a military has to balance it's resources between high tech and mass production and the romulans caught with the tech based federation on one side and the mass producing klingons on the other would have to have the capability to match both something that would be impossible unless they did two things.
1 # They focus on improving cloaking devices to counter the federations strategic long range sensor capability.
2 # They use OLDER weapons and shield tech for mass production to counter the klingons fleet firepower.
So following these needs the obvious answer would be to use decades old STARBASE size weapons,which while less advanced would be powerful due to size,fitted into a less sophisticated but large mass producible hulls that could fit the starbase sized weapons and which would simply require more materials something their slave laborers could supply.
3 # Sensors would be next for importance so THEY could track federation ships.
4 # This leaves SHIELDS which would be the least important for them and would get the least money/resources and so their ships would be more vulnerable compared to nearly any other enemy something clearly shown in the shows.
I do not agree. I think that, compared to smaller, more specialized designs, the Warbird - as an emblem of Romulan prowess and superiority - would receive as much attention as the Federation's Galaxy Class or the Klingon's K'vort class (or even more, based on its size and complexity), and EVERY system area would be given a priority status relative to its importance in various scenarios. While it's reasonable to guess that with cloaking technology and powerful weaponry, Romulans might skimp on shields; but not, I say, in a class of this size and prestige. The 'Alpha Strike' is as close as one gets to 'instakill' on a full-class Starship or Battlecruiser, but I do not think the Romulans would be so arrogant as to depend on opening moves to win the board, especially with a design of so much secondary capability, which gives them more ways to win - and more ways to lose if such a vessel becomes crippled or boarded.
For me, TNG had some of the best starship designs...from the Galaxy Class, to the D'deridex Class and the Ferengi D'kora Class ships. My personal favorite (besides the D'deridex Class Warbird) is the Husnock Warship...would love to see your analysis of that ship.
That huge Klingon battle cruiser was an awesome design too.
it ticked me off that the Husnock ship only appears in _one_ episode.
we'll never get to know what an actual Husnock looks like.....we only saw Kevin's recreation of one of their warships.
Congratulations bro! Getting to work on a game. Good for you man. Keep up the work. I’m happy for you bro.🤙🏼🙏🏼
The series Enterprise had Vulcan ships have a wheel structure where the hull had a hole in it, similar to the gap in the hull of the Romulan cruiser. This implied that a gap-hull may have been a vulcanian design aesthetic.
Vulcan ships seems to be modeled on the Alcubierre drive
The only natural enemy of the D'deridex is the TNG scaling problem whereby klingon birds of prey can suddenly expand to the size of Galaxy class ships like in The Defector. In reality the 2 D'deridex should have been able to wipe the floor with them.
When you show and tell the D'deridex Aquila's ability to make a cloaked alpha strike then keep moving forward to continue it's assault on it's target, made me think how very accurately similar that is to how a cloakable Klingon D7 / Ktinga Battlecruiser would itself make an attack run; as explained in the Klingon Space Fleet Doctrine. It's really exciting how on so many levels the D7 / K'tinga continues to be such an influential heritage of both the Klingons and Romulans.
Also, I feel like that Plasma Spike would be a devastatingly dramatic way for a D'deridex warbird's strafing run to cause the targeted enemy ship to become battered, blind and impotent. This would be excellent for a villainous-like escape at the conclusion of perhaps reconnaissance in force , or as part of a group strategy to cause such an enemy to be helpless and vulnerable to follow-up attacks from the D'deridex's wingmates or even it's attack craft / Fighters.
As for the Cloaking Device, within Star Trek Picard (though easily overlooked and hard to understand from the scene), the Snakehead fighter was able to use it's Cloaking device to cause a false "afterimage"-like Projection to misdirect and confuse an opponent. Perhaps this something Romulans can do with the cloaking system of the D'deridex, with itself or even other ships, fighters or even torpedoes and mines; Romulans do seem to a race and group that like being clever with how they befuddle, manipulate and then brutalize the opposition. This makes be start thinking about the Andorian telepath operated tele-presence Holo Drone from Star Trek Enterprise (from one of the best story arcs in that series).
Congrats on the job making a game. Looking forward to hearing more about it
VGA Planets.... Been playing it from the beginning of time as a BBS Door game. I used to run The Duckworks BBS that had multiple VGA Planets games running
I hope you will like the new ships.
6:26 hold on... i thought the warp field had to envelope the ship if it wants to go to warp
I had no idea the ship was that big, great video
'Before some of you call this a Mary Sue ship's - bro, it's not. Your ideas make sense.
The plasma spike can also be for rapid plasma venting which is the same as a smoke screen in WW2 era and prior navies.
Those Vents are also differentially balanced thanks to the design, so both vents on top and bottom wing sections rapid ejecting plasma could equal a reaction force, A.E, a lot of damned thrust. This means that whole the D'Deridex is large enough to have a lowe turn rate, it does have the potential to rapid accelerate and use 'Boom and Zoom' tactics which, matches the 'Alpha Strike' presentation.
The fact that the Warbird is also a Fleet Carrier vessel is something I wish we saw in action. It has huge potential for the Commander of that vessel to perform Carrier Ops while cloaked which actually makes the D'Deridex one of the few viable Carrier types to exist in Star Trek's lore (considering that Star Trek does not play well with the idea of small fighter ships being viable).
The Singularity core is going to be a more potent powerplant than virtually all known basic Warp Cores using Anti-matter containment methods. This plays a role in just how powerful the shields would be and how potent the disruptor weapons would be. There's is a far higher potential energy potential with this D'Deridex's core, lending even more credence to the idea of a Cloaked Alpha Strike doctrine.
WOW!! I never knew this ship was so formidable, now I see why it's called WAR BIRD!! and yes I did think the galaxy class and the war bird were the same size, shame on me!😲 This video really helped me to appreciate this Awesome ship! Thank you so much for doing this video NICE WORK!! I'd love to see more🖖❤👍👍
Gratz on getting an opportunity to contribute to a game! ^_^
Romulans are my favorite too, brother.
Yay, D’deridex love! I also love this design and is a favorite of mine from Star Trek.
Very very cool! I was most impressed by #2. I had not considered the design being advantageous in that way.
Allways loved D'Deridex class.
My favorite ST ship ever
Always loved the way this warbird looks. A magnificent piece of creative starship architecture.
Almost as good-looking as the Andor-class missile cruiser. Almost.
The Romulans are my favorite Star Trek race and outside of Federation ships, (the Galaxy and Nebula are my absolute favorite) I also love the Warbird. I know that over the decades, many people like to point out how amazing it is that the D'Deridex is noticeably larger than a Galaxy class as a strong point however, I think it is even more impressive that despite being smaller, the Galaxy class (and possibly the Nebula class) are considered equals to the Warbird in terms of fighting ability.
Hah its my absolute favorite design of all Sci Fi actually. Well done on the vid. The Praetor was pleased.
The Plasma Spike could also be used as a smoke screen maybe. Dispersing plasma in front, behind or around the vessel to disrupt sensors or something like that. It'd be like a less targeted version of what it can do already :)
On Star Trek Online, there is a bigger Klingon battleship that is the successor to the Negh'Var class. This new ship carried 2 bird of prey, four runabout size shuttles, and 12 fighters. So, it literally carried its own fleet with it.
Based on some measuring of other 3d ship models, the cubic volume of a d'deridex is around 26 million m^3, wile a galaxy class is around 5.8 million m^3. D'deridex volume would depend heavily on just how thick the wings are on any given model, but its safe to say that the nose section is easily more volumus than an entire galaxy class star ship.
That is amazing, and quite terryfing, this D'deridex can act as a destroyer, a cruiser, a battleship and a carrier.
Opening CC's are epic.
the size and power of these ships makes the Enterprise C's battle against them even more impressive, considering that it destroyed at least one war bird before being incapacitated
Loved it since first I saw it on TNG.
I would object to the plasma spike being a bespoke ability for your ship variant. However Romulans do have a history of weaponized plasma effects, and its design to cover a vulnerable aft section is sound tactics.
As for your alpha strike attack? C'mon standard romulan tactics there, at least from my run at STO. close gapwhile cloaked. Decloak while unloading everything, and keep on going.
I love my little t'varo. Nothing against the D'deridex, but I always found her to be unwieldy, slow to turn, sluggish, and a poor fit for my piloting. Give me the little doom hockey puck any day.
the trick to the d'deridex is the battle cloak, as all romulan ships have one. all the big romulan ships have one, don't forget to re-cloak after a successful run on the enemy.
Huh. Glad I wasn't the only one who had the idea to use the Central Gap of the D'deridex Class as a way to include external small starship docking arrays.
I know I commented the bulk of what I'm about to say on a previous video but I realized something this morning and I thought I'd share.
I believe the the D'deridex cavity is where industrial replicator emitters within the wings materialize objects, like smaller vessel. (Of course, in this case, "smaller" includes vehicles the size of Excelcior. Indeed, a galaxy class would fit in the cavity but could exit only if the head & necks could get out of the way.) I believe a D'deridex has at least two artificial quantum singularities (AQSs) and mass can be directly removed from them at a rate of at least 51 kg/sec to be used by the replicators for creating objects. (51 kg/s is the mass equivalent of the energy used by 1701-D warp fields at 9.6wf, the max speed given D'deridex in Tin Man. This energy use is according to the power usage graph found in the TNG Tech Manual. I believe the D'Deridex uses more energy going at this speed due to its greater mass and volume compared to the a Galaxy but I know of no other reference for power useage to make such estimations. Of course, the vessel would also need to power its cloaking device at the same time. No data on this power requirement, either. Factoring in inefficiency and I suspect the number is closer to 150 kg/s. But that is complete guess work.)
However, the total amount of mass usable to the replicators is probably much greater; indeed, probably more like 0.5 to 10 metric tonne per second, as 0.5 tonne per second would allow for a Constitution massed starship (~100 KT) to be replicated in around 2.5 days and 10 T/s would allow a Galaxy (~5 MT) class to be replicated in about 6 days. (I figure these are good Min/Max estimates.) Such huge amounts of mass could be removed from asteroids, comets, moons or other objects via teleporters. If true, then a D'deridex could belly up to a gigatonne asteroid and pump out attack drones by the millions to invade a solar system they want to conquer. Indeed, as big as she is, a D'deridex could probably temporarily carry enough troops to passify a small moon; and I would speculate the replicator and transporter systems would be beefy enough to support such an operation.
And this is what got me thinking this morning: What kind of enemy would require the kind of response I'm claiming a D'deridex, or a fleet of D'deridexs, could expell? Remember that this vessel was fully formed by the time of TNG:The Neutral Zone, when it first apeared. Remember Tebok's statement? "Matters more urgent caused our absence." I suspect those matters included the need for a D'deridex and all her capabilities. IMHO, including the ability to mass replicate infrastructure and transport onto planetary surfaces, replicate starships, eat entire asteroids for long(ish) term energy storage in their AQS.
A word about her AQS. We know a Romulan AQS is not like a natural black hole/singularity thanks to the TNG:Timescape aliens. I suspect an AQS is controlled via tractor beams of set to repel rather than attract, as was shown in TNG:The Naked Now. These high powered repulsor beams would intersect to create an artificial event horizon. My speculation is that mass can be stored as a singularity within this event horizon and can be forced to escape by shrinking the event horizon to increase the production of Hawking radiation, which can then be captured and diverted for the purposes of power or otherwise. The smaller the event horizon, the more Hawkings radiation is emitted; the larger the horizon, the less radiation. The precision of these repulsors would be extreme: natural singularities with hawkings radiation on the order of 50kg/s would be sub-atomic and AQS horizons would have to be similarly small.
Because in this case the horizon is largely independent of the amount of mass in the singularity, enormous amounts of mass could be stored and while forcing out Hawkings radiation at energy levels as though it were a small singularity; or the event horizon could be enlarged so that very little energy is radiated even though there is very little mass left in the singularity. To this extent I suspect there are at least two singularities on the D'deridex: one with a large event horizon so that you can feed it with mass collected by the Bussard collectors or transporters, and one with a small horizon from which you can extract power for running the vessel.
Furthermore, this method of extracting energy from an AQS would allow the Romulans to convert near 100% of the mass of the AQS into energy. Furthermore, unlike an antimatter system, any kind of matter can be used to create energy for your systems. An iron asteroid, for example, would do just fine. You would need ~25x more moles of anti-deuterium in your ships tanks to use one mole of iron, assuming you could use the iron in your injectors at all.
With all that said, and the extreme abilities of an AQS system mated with an industrial replicator could perform, what kind of "More urgent matter" would be required to create such a device in large numbers?
I don't really have a good answer but it's good story fodder.
Entirely not Starfleet propaganda: all D'Deridex class corridors carry a faintly farty smell. And their holodecks can't run Crysis. Muahahahaha, fear my epic plasma burns!
More seriously, it's probably my favourite TNG era ship too, even _with_ the farty smell 😁
i like the idea of the dderidex class being a mobile support base for invasion of planetary systems. its not at all far from the truth given that the romulan star empire won its conquests.
I'm pretty sure you would have seen the size difference in the first episode you see the romulans again in TNG involving those outposts that got destroyed by the borg along the neutral zone.
Thank you for giving this ship the respect it deserves. Most peoples take on this ship that it's a poor design..poor maneuverability... poor weapon arches...etc...I never subscribed to these opinions. I always thought of this ship as one of the Trek universe's most powerful and advanced vessels with unsurpassed weapons at its disposal.
Plasma torpedos..disrupters..photons..this vessel was a beast that never got its due. And it would have been nice to see a battle between this and the Galaxy class just to illustrate just how out-matched the Galaxy would have been...in my opinion anyway.
And so we have learned, that the D'Deridrex class are truly more Bad Ass as we Know!
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I like how the upper tubes fire photon torpedoes and the lower wing fires the plasma torpedoes.
It’s good to destroy your enemy with variety.
This was awesome. Thank you
Keep in mind that the minimum possible pressure vessel mass scales straight linearly with volume. If the D'deridex is 10x the pressurized volume, it either needs to be made of better materials, be 10x more massive, use its materials more efficiently, operate at lower pressures, or operate with lower margins of safety.
Furthermore, structural weight meant to withstand the vessel's own thrust is going to be an issue, as is armor, given that many D'deridex classes are intended as strictly warships and they have more difficulty dodging than smaller vessels. More heavily pressurized areas like tankage for impulse fuel will also have to be large and heavy. There is every reason to believe that it is *at least* as large relative to something like a Galaxy or Sovereign as its volume implies.
Note I don't mention antimatter or Dilithium. This is both because we don't have good understanding of the scaling laws that govern such things, and because I'm not totally convinced that the Romulans even use these. AFAIK, the Romulans use a small singularity to power the warp nacelles. Something that is even less easy to reason about than Federation tech.
There's also the matter of the singularity core. (aka, a small blackhole, contained inside a containment field)
Because a singularity core is a black hole, it has the advantage of being a endless source of energy. This practically means that the captain can do all sorts of shenanigans to make the ship even more of a monster, like putting maximum power to weapons, with little, or almost no effect to it's power cost. It can even put it's weapons in a overload state if he wants for some time, before it causes damage to the systems and the weapons.
The core can also redirect some of it's power to reinforce structural field, should it be needed, or, the captain can just create a artificial black hole behind it's vessel if it needs to. (then again, im not sure if that's the case with this one, since this comes from STO, which is a game where any ship can become the next planet killer if the player wants, so this one might be unlikely and non-canon)
In short, rom ships are beasts. This might be due to the fact that the writers thought of the old roman empire when writing the romulan star empire. After all, the romulan has some old latin on it, giving more of the impression of the romulans being rome soldiers.
What an impressive warbird
I think based on their appearances in TNG, regardless of tonnage, the D’Deridex does really seem on parity with the Galaxy capability-wise. It’s rarely treated as an overwhelming foe; maybe just one that might win 60/40 vs a Galaxy (and notably that’s the pre-dominion war galaxy). After all, Picard regarded a battle between 2 D’Deridex versus the Enterprise D and 4 K’Vort Heavy Birds of Prey as a mutually destructive battle. Starfleet has been repeatedly shown to have simply superior technology to most other powers in nearly all areas other than cloaking, so the difference in size isn’t necessarily an indication of the difference power.
Assuming these were full cannon concepts, it would still explain why a Galaxy class starship would be effective against one. Recall, the Enterprise and Tamalok were always at a stand off, meaning they were evenly matched. The Warbirds was just lacked any serious maneuverability. If the warbirds didn't finish the ship off with the first alpha strike (which now that I think about it was used in TNG), the Galaxy class could easily out maneuver the thing.
hence why they utilize the cloaks for a reason as part of a stealth equivilent of the old school hit and run tactic in space.
In Star Trek Armada series the D'deridex can make use of most of your ideas and the Shield Inversion Beam allowing for refreshing shields after cloaking fixing that problem most cloakers in the game face (loosing shields to fire if detected before decloaking cycle is complete) or adding that layer of tactical tanking for smaller ships to take out the larger more dangerous vessels. I'm imaging the beam is unique to just Armada, but would be interesting to see against the Borg or Dominion, then again not everything can be cannonised eh?
What a mean ship! I had no idea it was that large and had that potential. Good thing they didn't use it to its full potential! I guess the STNG writers had no idea what monster they had created! lol
it's just so green :)
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thing's gotta have a tailpipe :P
probably botf or modded fleet ops, speaking of which i rly miss watching multiplayer matches for it. Its been dead for years. I myself used to be active armada 2 multiplayer player waay back in early 2000's. It was great time , lot of good memories.
Awesome video!
I love what you did with this great ship
and i agree that they were treated poorly in DS9... welll not enough focuss on them... They probably felt that enough was don in TNG...
tomxaros48 It was tragic that they just seem only as powerful as every other cruiser in DS9! And blow up as easily ...
I've just started playing STO and am piloting a D'Khellra on one of my two characters. At least in the game versus DS9, I'm complimented by many smaller tactical vessels. I always thought the ISE suffered from overusing this ship in exclusion to a more balanced fleet. I believe it could have done better on screen if this were so
The stealth alpha is exactly why the Gorn Anchor is such a standard practice against Romulan ships. Kind of sad that we never see that tactic in action.
So I wasn't the only one that visualized smaller ships docked along the hull of the D'deridex...
Too overcome the weakness of maneuverability you could theoretically enhance the power of the structural integrity field using the singularity or build the aquilla with a reinforced frame in order to pull off bird of prey style maneuvers.
i always wondered why gravimetric weaponry isnt used more. if you torpedo exploded into a singularity it might have more power than an explosion and would consume all mater and energy until it was gone, leaving the small singularity to evaporate via hawking radiation. Using a singularity as a power source would mean there is almost limitless power potential as the angular momentum of the actual singularly reaches infinity. Than along with the mass of the singularity would give it a perminat ability to shift the light away and appear as a black hole and not a ship.
First time to your channel. I am subscribing and recommending to all. Keep up the great work. Just a wish video from me would be something with the Ascension class starship fleshed out, specs, internal shots, size comparison to the D'deridex from this video, etc..
The Dederidex ist also my Favorite Ship in Star Trek. And i think it gets not the Attention this ship should have. Thx for the Video some of the Secret i dont knów or dont put enough attention to. In Star Trek Online my Romulans have all a Dederidex aviable even there are better ships for usage for a sience captain for example i simply love the design.
This is my personal favourite ship design too, they should've used in nemesis, though presumably if they had the battle with the Scimitar would have lasted allot longer, and the film's budget wouldn't allow for that.
I always figured the Romulan
D'deterdex Class could carry a few Birds of Prey between it hulls in the open space. And if the Birds of Prey where cloaked also you would not know they were there until they attacked.
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Nicely done.
FWIW, I think you are underestimating the relative volumes.
Excluding the engines, the following would seem to be true (based on comparing the images side-by-side in the video:
1) Ignoring the engines, the D’deridex can be thought of as breaking down into six parts: head and neck, stern, two upper wings (port and starboard), and two lower wings. The Enterprise-D likewise, has a primary hull (saucer) and a secondary hull.
2) The head of the D’deridex is about 2/3rds the length of the Ent-D’s saucer section, and maybe 5x the height. It’s much narrower. Overall it’s probably the size of the Ent-D’s saucer, and maybe the size of Ent-D’s saucer and secondary hull combined, not including the neck.
3) Each wing of the D’deridex is about as wide as the saucer section, half again as deep as the saucer section and about as long as the saucer section. The difference in shape is a little deceptive, though, with the spine being a LOT longer. If I had to guess, I would say that at a minimum each wing is about 1.5 times the size of Ent-D’s saucer and secondary hull combined.
4) The stern of the D’deridex is wider than the Ent-D’s secondary hull and a LOT taller. I’d guess the stern plus the neck are approaching the size of the Ent-D.
So, just eyeballing it, I get:
- Head: 1 x Ent-D
- Wings: 6 x Ent-D
- Stern and neck: 1 x Ent-D
TOTAL: About 8x the size of the Ent-D.
I’ll point out that if you double something solid in all 3 dimensions (like a surface ship), the internal volume goes up by a factor of 8. In this case, it’s twice the length, twice the width, and three times the height. These are simple geometric solids, so you can’t just assume 2x2x3=12 times the volume, but I do think that my calculations above are, if anything, conservative. One could easily conclude that the D’deridex being 10x the volume of Enterprise-D is more or less correct.
So, does this matter? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on a lot of factors not discussed.
What renderer do you use for blender? It looks like you're using Eevee, although I'm not sure with the materials you have.
Let's face it the Romulans are the pinnacle of Coolness. Their ships shout "yeah we know were awesome!"
Docking a smaller ship inside the warp field, between the two Warp Nacelles, is a good idea?
very informativ - one of my favourite pcgames are star trek - armada, and i choosed all the time in the network battles the romulans. in that game the romulan warbirds has the feature to absorbate the shield power of the enemy ships. that feature is sadly missing. but it is also a good video for my opinion.
In STO it'd be great if you could cancel the freaking red alert so you can actually use this tactic of pop cloak. Shoot, run. Use clock reposition, pop, shoot and rinse and repeat.
That damage bonus from sneak attack though..
How much would it cost to get a modified D'Deridex in one of your videos? After looking at the comparison with the Galaxy, I'd love to see a modified D'Deridex with docking clamps and additional tractor beams. It could be used to grapple onto key targets, pull them into that negative space, and go to warp with an entire captured ship.
Wait, wouldn't ships docked inside the gap interfere with the warp-field that is supposed to be there?
Does the empty space help balance out excess gravity of the artificial singularity?
In Star Trek Bridge Commander you engage with several Romulan Warbirds and it still freaks me out how overpowered (or underpowered the Galaxy class )they were.
Hoping one day we can get a D'Deridex with a hanger in sto would be really kool
It's amazing how these ships didn't fare well in the secret attack against the Dominion. "The Die is Cast - DS9" The nimble Jemadar ships annihilated them. Yet after aligning themselves with the Federation, they helped win the war.
Well, at first, Dominion phased polaron beams passed right through Alpha Quadrant deflector shields, allowing the Tal Shiar/Obsidian Order fleet of 40 to be cut to ribbons by 150 Jem'Hadar attack ships. That is 3.75 Dominion ships for every Alpha Quadrant ship, and recall three Jem'Hadar ships could tear apart a Galaxy Class with that polaron beam advantage. The Dominion was also pretty good at penetrating Romulan Cloaking devices.
But then the Federation improved their shield technology by the second battle of Ds9, rendering Dominion weapons no more potent than standard phasers or disruptors. I'm sure Starfleet shared this technology with the Romulans once they joined the war effort.
Point : Using the tractor beams to repulse or punch the shielding or shields of the other ships. Define as Defensive or attacking weapon.
I'd like to hire you sometime for a project with my ship designs for a new custom scifi universe. Not sure how to connect and email with you though?
7:03 The weaknesses of the D'deridex Warbird.
It reminds me of the Worf maneuver from the first Armada PC game.
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so are these features actual canon
or did you make them up
anyway great video
Plasma spike I made up, tractors I logicked out - the rest is implied by the original designer, Andrew Probert - and this D'd is closer to his original concept. If you think the original designer's intent is or should be canon, then for you, its canon. Has most of this been on-screen? Unfortunately no.
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okay i see :)
most things are like: yea that makes sense, but i cant remember to have seen / read them
on your point #2:
i believe there was an episode of TNG were it was demonstrated that a D'deridex lost its "perfect" cloak abilities at high warp and your "interpolation" of warpfield dynamics seems a bit... lacking
otherwise awesome video!