MOZA R9 | CS Wheel vs GS Wheel | RS V2 Wheel | First Impressions
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- This is a big one! Not only do I give my first impressions of the impressive R9 in this video but I also
- Compare it to the R5
- Compare the ES (280mm) and CS (330mm) steering wheels
- Compare the CS and RS V2 steering wheels
- Use the R9 with the round CS wheel
- Use the R9 with the formula GS wheel
- Compare the CS to the GS
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Start: 0:00
Unboxing - MOZA R9: 0:25
R9 vs R5 Visual Comparison: 4:01
Unboxing - MOZA CS: 5:14
CS vs ES steering wheels: 8:00
CS vs RS v2 steering wheels: 10:57
Installation/issues: 13:50
Software setup: 15:27
First Drive R9 with CS Wheel: 17:05
First Drive R9 with GS Wheel: 20:36
CS vs GS steering wheels: 25:02
Summary: 28:37
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CORRECTION: RS V2 IS compatible with the R5 also. I mention that it's not, but it has the 11 pins on the back so it is fully compatible
Also, you can switch off the Bluetooth/wireless to prevent the clicking
The R9 and GS combo is so lovely, glad you switched to that mid way through. Excellent video as always.
Haha yeah I had to do it justice and highlight the differences. I didn’t know if I was going to use the footage but it all worked out
The R9 + CS wheel is a great combo, and well priced.
GREAT video!
(your enthusiasm is contagious! 👍👍👍)
Haha thanks ❤️❤️❤️ sometimes it happens in these videos. Often it doesn’t :) thanks for the nice comment ❤️
I have the CS, and almost immediately knew I'd need the GS for anything that isn't a stock car. Thanks for confirming!
You’re very welcome!
I have had my R9 and GS wheel for 8 months now and love it no problems with it and i found the software easy to use
Great to hear :) yeah I like the combo a LOT
Nice "first" impressions video LD! I just love the way your face changes when something feels unexpectedly good :D
Haha some things are difficult to hide. That R9/GS combo is amazing :) love it!
Hi mate! I really enjoy the review🎉thanks!
You’re welcome!
Only reason I'm this late is that I was at school,but you know I'm watching the second i came back.
I released this video so early to test your commitment. You have FAILED 😂😂😂
I kid, I kid. just don't let it happen again...
@@LaurenceDusoswa I'm unworthy....
I’ve had a great experience with mine and the customer service, R9, GS and CS (although the rim has been swapped for a Turn Racing rim). The rotary’s on the CS are very nice, quite retro, and I love the fact they are also pressable buttons.
Thanks for sharing! Great to hear that my experience is similar to yours. Yeah it's a pity that the rotaries on the FSR and GS are not clickable. thanks for the comment
Do you know the weight of CS rim without quick release and button plate? I'm thinking to get an aftermarket rim, which weights 600 gramm and 32cm in diameter.
@@antoshechka That will be hugely lighter than the CS wheel - the button box is pretty light weight. The Turn Racing wheel I have fitted to mine is 600g and makes a huge difference in terms of feedback and control.
@@martinpeachey5857 thank you!! Great news😃
Recently, Moza seems to have made some revisions to the CS wheel. Now the wheel has enclosed LEDs for the rev bar. They also added RGB addressable lights to the switches and changed the encoder top hats. Most importantly, they added analog paddles alongside the magnetic paddle shifters.
Interesting!
“The shaft is longer, giggity”😂
hahaha
love it great honest review
All my reviews are honest. It can be difficult to cover all the details that people want without boring them to tears :) thanks for the kind comment ❤️
August 2023 - I’ve just received an R9 and a CS v2. Sadly the rotary knobs have been replaced for plastics ones. They still have a very fine and positive feedback when turned, but the knurled metal knobs have gone. Sad.
The clicking and flashing, change the Bluetooth settings in the pit house software and it’ll disappear into a world of silence when using just the quick release and a third party wheel 😊
Excellent advice!!!
I love Moza R9 and CRP set
Great first look! How would you say it compares to the Simagic as of now? Can't wait till you drop the long term review!
i need to try out the newer simagic rims before I draw any conclusions. The R9 ffb is not as strong as the alpha mini but it does feel really good. it's a bit too weak to give lots of detail with a 330mm CS or RS rim because they're quite heavy. moza is doing great. pick the one that you like the look of the peripherals and software. you can't go wrong with either really.
🍇video, I really like the formfactor of this brand. Price is pretty good as well
Thanks for the comment. yeah form factor is good. the R16 is a bit weird looking by comparison with its rounded lines. prices are grape for sure!
Was interested to hear your opinion as I've had the R9 and both the GS and CS wheels around 4 weeks now. It's my first foray into the full rig setup and DD wheel base and am pretty happy with my choice apart from the fact that the CS wheel has become an ornament on the wall mount due to the exact reasons you've stated in the review. It's a pity as I'd like to use a full wheel for some race types. Guess the option now is to fit a Turn rim, or something similar, as this will reduce the overall weight. Delighted with everything else though.
It’s still really good, but just not as good as the wheelbase wants to be. You can tweak the settings to make it feel better but ultimately it suffers by comparison. Thanks for the great comment as it really helps others to make up their minds.
I just got a r5 bundle 2 weeks ago and a thrustmaster th8a shifter to replace my tried and true Logitech g29 and i can say im thoroughly impressed with my new setup the ffb is light-years ahead of the g29 and the build quality is next level and the pit house app destroys the Logitech offering and ill be all set when my clutch pedal arrives in the next week or so there next miss will be the 12in rim
nice! Enjoy
Hey Laurence! Great review!! Love your videos!! If you had to choose, Moza R9 or Simagic Alpha Mini?
Tough decision. I’m yet to try the new Simagic rims but based purely on ffb I prefer Simagic. The moza software is better. It’s a tough call though and I’m planning a video to do exactly that comparison
The 5 o'clock shadow is prominent in this video, just getting to watch it now. Must have been a earlier morning recording 🤔
Hahahaha I dunno when I filmed it. About 2 weeks ago now 😂😂😂
I'm dying to get an R9 setup. I'm saving up all my spare cash for a mortgage deposit, but I'm thinking I could probably live in the box from the wheelbase.
hahahahaha
Anyone else feel a little uncomfortable with the "knob envy"? The way Laurence said "knurl" felt a little unsettling. :P ok all kidding aside that was a great review and much appreciated. I actually ordered the R9 and FSR yesterday and am abandoning the CSL DD due to Fanatec frustration syndrome.
KNURL :p
have the r9 and the gs,tried the cs on my friend's rig,feels lovely with the cs as well,perhaps u felt this way cuz u're driving a formula car with it, i also have a 350mm wheel with the qr just for drift and rally,feels awesome with that too
yep maybe. I have driven other cars and while there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the ffb with the 330mm, it lacks compared to the stronger wheelbases or even the simagic alpha mini. It still feels great but when comparing wheelbases and steering wheels I am expected to be critical so any observations that I have I need to communicate in these videos. I have done many miles in rally and other round rim cars like TCRs in iRacing. It feels great, but would be better if the CS went on a diet :p
@@LaurenceDusoswa For me it was the weight of the wheel rim fitted to the CS rather than the size itself - unscrew it and weigh it, it’s a beast. Since fitting rims of around 600g and using the CS as a button box I’ve had nothing but better feedback - similar to how the GS feels out of the box.
Interesting. Will do
Ive just ordered an R9 and CS wheel. I thought the ES looked a little on the small side. I will definitely be buying some sort of formula style wheel to go with it at some point
Yeah the KS is a great affordable wheel and the GS is lovely
@@LaurenceDusoswa Funnily enough I have an order going in today for the KS, handbrake and load cell brake mod. I cant really justify the price of the GS at the moment and wanted to try the lighter wheel anyway
@@chrissyboy7047SWEET! Consider using my affiliate links ;) where are you based?
@@LaurenceDusoswa So sorry mate, didnt see your reply till now. I ordered from Overclockers due to stock levels so couldnt use your links unfortunately but will bear in mind for future orders.
Im based in the UK mate.
I absolutely love the KS combined with the R9 base. Feels great to race with
Oh man. I ordered my R9 last week. Very assuring to know you enjoyed it. I’ll use your code for the GS wheel though. I went with the CS wheel as I enjoy driving many different cars. Was that the V2 GS wheel do you know? I believe it’s being released December so I’m waiting for that version.
Thanks so much for that
Thanks for reply. And keep up the good work. Cheers.
P.s can you give the chap at abruzzi a nudge. The only reason I didn’t buy from him. Was he never replied to a single message I sent him. Ha cheers
Hello,
It's not just about the weight of the steering wheel, but mainly about the diameter. The larger the diameter, the less heavy it will be. The opposite too.
Yeah a larger wheel allows for more leverage
You mention that the r9 doesn’t feel more powerful then the R5. But in the settings before you started to drive the force feedback was pulled down yo 30% 😂 I have the R9 and the CS wheel also. I can say it’s in my opinion very powerful even with that bigger wheel.
The r9 is definitely much more powerful.
How would you rate the r9/GS combo compared to the simagic alpha mini? Thanks mate!
Tree dirty.
😅😅😅
Solid review. Is the rsv2 wheel lighter or heavier than the cs? Could you swap the wheel on the cs for a smaller wheel on the same button box (is it standard bolt pattern)?
without popping them on a scales, they feel identical in weight. yes you can swap out the wheel on the CS but the main weight is in the button plate and QR
@@LaurenceDusoswa Awesome, thanks for the info!
RS v2 is lighter than CS, I think around 250 g. There is a video where you can watch it.
Moza does have as handbrake and shifter the hbo brake and hgp shifter this might be a old video and it wasn't it yet at that time i really wanted the moza shifter and hb but Microsoft didn't have them in stock so got a ebay handbrake and it's so worth the 55$ i paid for it and the th8a shifter is awesome and bows the Logitech shifter away but for$200 it better
yeah the video is a little older now. It was at the time of release.
I'm about to purchase my first direct drive wheel. I'm really on the fence between all the sub 1000 dollar options.
Moza R9
Fanatec CSL
Cammus
Simagic Mini
I'm really leaning towards the simagic. Thoughts?
The Simagic is my choice for now but I haven't reviewed the CSL DD yet! Great to have amazing amounts of choice
@Laurence Dusoswa thank you for your feedback, I think I'll go for the simagic over the fanatec because of the superior qr system and reliability. Do you have any affiliate link for the mini gt bundle?
I heard you can turn off that clicking noise which searches for wireless steering wheel from the software
Yep someone told me! Thanks!!!
What's your feedback on the Alpha Mini vs the R9, more in terms of detail? (As I understand the power difference is like 13Nm vs 9Nm.)
alpha mini feels more potent than the R9. R9 has lots of detail but the alpha mini just has more speed and power. It's a nicer experience, especially with a larger wheel rim
@@LaurenceDusoswa Just to clarify re power, because I don't even seem to utilize the full power of the R9 (though 100% in Pithouse, in-game I run only around 60-70% in ACC,rF2, DR2). How would the higher power in the Alpha be better? TY.
@jgloc25 more power gives more dynamic range which translates to more detail. But if you’re not missing any detail, don’t upgrade :)
Hi. I bought r9 and CS wheel, not received my order yet. I also have a concern about weight of CS wheel. If i switch CS rim to an aftermarket rim 600 gramm, 32 cm while keeping the button box would it make FFB more pronounced? I saw your comment that more weight in the button box itself. Is R5 base with 28 cm wheel feels the same as r9+ CS? Excellent review, thanks for highlighting the importance of weight and size of the wheels.☺️
A 600g rim would be a lot more responsive, yes. The r9 feels good even with the 330mm but could be even better :)
I have doubts between buying the ES or the CS, the CS is more complete in terms of buttons and wheels, but I don't know about handling with those dimensions and weight
@@davidcastineirasgarcia7751 CS is too heavy. I replaced standard CS rim (1,2 kg) with Dim Sim FH320 (0,65 kg). Overall weight is reduced from 2,4 kg to 1,8 kg. It feels much better. Now Moza stars to sell ES rim separately and if you have r9 v2 base, you're able to fit ES wheel. Unfortunately i have r9 v1. But i think 1,2-1,4 kg of ES wheel weight combined with its 28 cm rim would give much better performance than CS wheel!
@@antoshechka Yes, surely in terms of handling the ES it will be better, but the CS is it in everything else, I am not sure...
@@davidcastineirasgarcia7751 i agree. It's nice to have magnetic shifters and good buttons
How does the R9 compare to the Simagic Alpha Mini? Driving and force feedback wise?
The r9 is way less powerful. It’s a great base with a light steering wheel but the CS and RS are similar in weight to the Simagic gt1 but the alpha mini has no issues throwing that rim around whereas the r9 can be a little slow on some sims.
Thanks for the answer Laurence, I'll think I'll buy a Alpha mini then. Their rims are too expensive though so I'll buy a conversion kit instead and try convert my Fanatec wheel.
How do you think this compares to the simagic alpha Mini? Is the simagic worth the extra £150-200?
The alpha mini has superior ffb due to the extra power. The GS wheel is amazing though. But Simagic has the gt4 and the FX/FX PRO to choose from too. My choice is Simagic.
@@LaurenceDusoswa thanks. Tbh I am now stuck between going alpha Mini with a simagic rim or getting the standard alpha and converting my current TM p310 rim to usb... Choices...
Can u use use Thrustmaster pedals with the moza r9 or do u have to buy into the whole moza ecosystem?
On PC with USB you can use any combo..
i'd kill for an r5 or r9, but i cant afford them, and i kinda need a cockpit, as my chair moves around too much, so i'll probably get a playseat challenge, and an r5 next year
Excellent combo! Set a goal date and start working towards it TODAY.
@@LaurenceDusoswa yeah, I've been saving already. my dad owes me $490 (aud) but considering how much I haven't been doing my chores as of recent, I'll happily settle on $370 or so, should be able to get the playseat for christmas, and my birthday is also soon, so things may actually come together sooner than I think. I also have my g923 to sell (assuming an r5 is within reach), so that's another +. I'll keep you posted, assuming you have time to pay any attention.
Go catch up on chores! You don’t get anything for nothing in life. Not only will you get the money that’s ‘owed’ to you but you’ll make your dad happy and show him that you’re trying to achieve a goal. Honestly. Spend 10 mins a day looking for something to do for your dad that he didn’t ask you to do. It will be very rewarding for both of you.
@@LaurenceDusoswa I'll get around to them. for tomorrow, I have a day off school so I'll be preparing for my science and english assessments and some other homework. I do appreciate the advice tho, it's good to know that you do really care for your audience.
is this an r9 v1 or a v2? I picked one up from ebay and am trying to figure out which one I have. It was purchased kinda recently new, so I really have no idea.
My r9 is a v1. It only has the straight line of contact patches on the wheel side QR
@@LaurenceDusoswa thank you!
In what scenario would you recommend someone buying the RS V2 over the CS V2? The RS is nearly twice the price and I wonder if it's justifiable, or if those savings can be used to purchase a GS wheel instead?
The RS has clutch paddles which is great. And more buttons. But I would just by the CS and a GS if I were you
@@LaurenceDusoswa Darn, I went with the RS. Hopefully I won’t have an itch for a dedicated GT wheel like the GS!
Sounds to me like the R12 would be a better option
Seems they overdid the cs wheel and it's a bit too heavy for this base. With the gs wheel on, it clearly shows it has much more potential, really odd to see.
Yep I’d love if they shaved 30% of the weight off the CS wheel. The r9 needs a bit less weight
Maybe you could share your settings
I don’t have great settings yet. I used the default GT settings from the presets in this video
R9 Vs r16 ?
16 has way more power and is more able for the 330mm steering wheels. I just don't like the form factor of the R16, personally. Buy the one you can afford :D
@@LaurenceDusoswa I already have the r9 , just wondering if it was worth the change. Also considering alpha mini and. The Logitech g pro
I try to avoid all made in china products if exists an option im prefer to spend more on products from other country better made because cheap is expensive sooner or later you are going to face that