James Cleverly hits back at Labour MP's claims he called his constituency a "sh*thole"
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2023
- After last week being accused by Alex Cunningham of calling his Stockton constituency a shithole, James Cleverly addressed the accusations in the House and clarified that he didn't insult the people of Stockton, he just insulted their MP.
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The rules of the house are ridiculous. They are allowed to lie but are not allowed to call someone a liar.
They can make insults, just not in an unparliamentary manner.
They can make policy for personal gains, but they have to declare an interest.
It’s about time the whole system is brought down.
Funny every time a tory gets called a liar, the speaker comes out of slumber.
Yep, we all remember SNP MINISTER, Ian Blackford calling Boris Johnson a liar in Parliament and being kicked out for refusing to do so.
It's a joke isn't it, old fashioned af
Or if we had a politically minded populace, we could campaign to push for changes. Alas, we are where we are.
Correction.. They are NOT ALLOWED to lie.... but do so with impunity because the rules are weak, the rule enforcers are weak, Lindsay Hoyle is a terrible Speaker of the House, no wonder he is nicknamed.... A Chocolate Teapot
Our current house of parliament is a complete and utter disgrace to this country. The chair is there to bring order and rationality to the house, yet she is there defending a blatant liar. No one refers to someone as a sh*thole, and the fact that they can sit there and say that this is the case, shows the lack of respect they have for the voters. Morality is completely out the window with this government and how anyone can openly say they support them baffles me. If you are happy with a sitting MP referring to a constituency they are suppose to be supporting with such a derogatory word then shame on you. Shame on you James, shame on your Eleanor.
The lady speaker is giving all of us a prime example of one
She is not defending him
@@gothicgolem2947 100% is take off your Tory tinted glasses. She is weak and he is a total lier and she defended him not once but twice.
They never had respect for any working class Brit they just fill there pockets and retire with a nice easy job once there done taking our tax money and they do this because they can get away with it because the British people are weak and do nothing
@@gothicgolem2947 True, she's just letting him off the huck as he continues to huck up the country with his nutter pals so they can huck it up some more. What a shuthole MP.
Before anyone complains, I just want to be clear that, I didn't just write that and anyone who said I did...
Absolutely ridiculous. You can't call a liar a liar. Our parliamentary system needs a complete overhaul.
If everyone's words and utterances in the house are always true until announced otherwise, then the honourable gentleman must indeed be a sh~*
I head a guy asking why his constituents were living in poverty, that sounds like a nice guy to me.
It's a forbidden word in that house of false preachers.
This is the third time ive seen him and i can tell you this.. body languague and the way you stutter sentences tells me that this guy is lying. Hes also a very angry guy
Calling them a liar, you would be there all day.
A Tory lying..... how surprising.
They behave like spoit school kids .. ..They all do it ....
Yer but…….yer but……but yer…….wotabout Labour.
😂😂😂 Nobody has EVER called a person a Sh*thole.
Nobody. Ever.
We all see through the man - he's probably s......g himself now.
He’s a Jeremy Hunt, and won’t admit to his hunting bad language
You sh*thole...
That feels wrong 😂
Must have redefined the word the Conservative way.
Another textbook example to show the world what a complete joke the UK parliament really is.
Show me one that ain't then.
you say "UK" but the same rules are in effect pretty much in any parlor-ment
@@yakovshani240 I didn't vote for these clowns. I voted for LABOUR
@@elloco1996I didn't say it was better, all I said was I didn't vote for THOSE clowns (emphasis on the THOSE). I am well aware that ALL politicians are (to some extent) corrupt and that they are all there to stuff their own pockets
They all answer to American corporate and government interests now. It's borderline laughable when people think the UK has any power beyond that of being a US vassal state.@@xTerminatorAndy
This is unbelievable!!!!!!!
What an absolute disgrace our house of parliament is. They’re more bothered about protocol rather than what was actually said. Nobody calls someone a shithole!!!
Absolutely disgusting behaviour, no wonder this country is in such a dire state.
He is a liar and that just does not wash! The Deputy Speaker bottled it big time.
She is hopeless
no shock there, chocolate teapot she is
Don't blame her, she's just following procedure. The other deputies and actual speaker would have had to do the same. It's the rules of the house which are flawed.
@@j.x.x.r3645It's her choice as to the degree she enforces them. She is just protecting her Tory friends. Corruption at its finest.
He's lying point BLANK WASTE OF SPACE 😡😡😡😡😡
Hiding behind the inability to call him a liar. Very brave boy.
Absolutely spot on. It’s disgraceful, weak, and pathetic
With the 'brave', "What are you trying to say" retort. Like too many Tories, he is a bully and hates being confronted with his actions.
Cleverly has unwittingly admitted he's called the Stockton MP an IT - Thus misgenderimg him - Thus being discriminatory...
Discriminatory language in PARLIAMENT carries instant dismissal... 👍
@@BassandoForte No, it doesn't. Name one MP who has been dismissed, instantly or not quite so instantly, for breaking that rule. Johnson did it repeatedly.
@johnm2012 - Ussd Discriminatory language against another MP how..??
I don't expect your Rusky programmer will respod, though... 🤣
Imagine being a totally normal rational human being and watching this and going 'this is a totally suitable way to run an ACTUAL COUNTRY'
He knows what he said! We know what he said! That is no apology. Who would call someone “ it’s a shithole”
Well I don't think that Speaker could have handled that situation any worse than what she did. Dreadful
She's as much use as a one-legged bloke in an arse kicking competition !
Nah she handled it well in this video. She did everything right made him give a apology that’s her job
@@gothicgolem2947 she said Cleverly apologised to Cunningham. He actually didn't apologise to Cunningham neither today or in his statement a few days ago when he just apologised to the house. So she actually is wrong and I'm sure she knows this. She's a tory though
@@gothicgolem2947 unfortunately the deputy speaker has a habit of not really bringing things to a satisfactory conclusion.
She may have gotten what she wanted (an apology for unparliamentary language) but it was not what anyone else was looking for...
@@gothicgolem2947 Stop talking out of your s*** hole
So offering an apology that clearly includes a lie is "not a debate" and "the matter is now closed".......unbelievable. Cleverly clearly a liar.
He stuttered worse than Gareth gates
@steveferridge7215.More like the old cartoon character PORKY PIG 🐷 Cleverly is an absolute shyster and Sunak has surrounded himself with some of the WORST Ministers in political history.And to think when he became Prime Minister, he said he was going to clean up the Conservative party, after the mess Boris Johnson had made of it.I thought Boris Johnson was bad...SUNAK’S WORSE!😿
Don’t mock a disability
@@quizwiz1636being gay isn’t a disability you bigot!
So its not acceptable to call the constituency a shit hole however its ok to pass the same comment about the MP who raised the matter. I suppose as long as you use the term "the honorable gentleman is a shit hole", it ok?
As a taxpayer I'm not at all satisfied with the house of commons, it is too set in it ways and MPs SHOULD be called out for being liars!
Sunak on day 1 said he would not tolerate this lying behaviour. Cleverly has to go.
The first lie is that the MPs are honourable. He is not apologising he is making excuses for his actions. He did not apologise in any way shape or form.
Cleverly sounds like a little boy when he's been caught out. Can't even lie convincingly or keep the same story.
He should get lessons off bo jo, he's an expert
Sociopaths are unable to apologise.
I heard 'honorable gentleman' so many times it was boring. Yet this lot are a bunch of crooks and blatant liars. Parliament is just embarrassing.
This rule you can't call someone a liar has to go and further more it needs to be made law that public servants cannot lie.
This is ridiculous. Not held to account. Again. Rotten to the core.
This absolute nonsense of not being able to call out lies in parliament needs to stop
We’ve all known that this Home Secretary isn’t afraid to lie to the house and takes great pleasure in doing so!
I don’t believe a word of Cleverly’s response. He shouldn’t be an MP, never mind a cabinet member.
You are right. He is lying 🤥
You could tell by his face he's a lying bastard.
I am no Labour supporter, but I have to say that I heard no apology from Cleverly to the Labour MP. There is a distinct lack of honour oozing from this government.
So we have you to blame for supporting this bunch of Grifters?
Me and the 14 million others in 2019. Had Labour not put such a shoddy offer forward to the nation, millions would not have voted for them. So there's a lot of blame to go around.@@milsub59
from this party* not government, stop pretending it' 'government'
In order to respect others, you must first respect yourself.
This government clearly does not respect itself
this is the quality of senior British Army Officers.
The same situation as Denis Skinner found himself in, relating to "The Speaker". Called Cameron Dodgy Dave ( ample proof he is) yet Denis gets suspended from the house!!!
Please fire the Madam Deputy Speaker for literally allowing double-think to happen
A person isn’t referred to as ‘a shithole’…. a place is. Mr Not so Cleverly had his ass saved by this speaker
Exactly
Thank you!
Exactly! The correct term would be shithead. Either way, shame on anyone in a professional position to be setting an example that it's okay to flagrantly insult other people using language that is far from acceptable.
Exactly!
We have surely slipped into a 'post truth society' when a minister can make statement that other MPs know is lie, rather than an apology, and the Deputy Speaker can say that he has apologised and that the matter is closed. This government shames us all and I doubt we will ever undo the damage they have inflicted on civil society.
Totally agree. There is no sincerity and accountability in politics anymore. The Johnson lies affect has now poisoned politics where lies are now the norm. The damage Johnson and his side kicks have done to politics and Britain generally is immeasurable and will be recorded in history as one of its darkest periods. Total reform of the HoC and HoL rules must be a top priority. It cannot continue in its present form.
We were never a "truth" society. Lying isn't new.
@@annoloki His form is bad though. Does he just sit and mumble out his nasty thoughts or was he trying to be butch in front of his colleagues? If he thinks, as a minister responsible for stopping social decay, he can say out loud something so at odds with his new duty and think he might amuse his front bench or be safe in the expectation that they won't chastise him then, yes not one of those front bench Tories have any idea of the decency of their bloody offices.
A government of liars and cheats
@@annoloki However, there was a time when being caught in a lie had serious consequences!
When are they going to actually realise that calling out a liar is not worse than the original lie itself!
This idea that you can't call someone who lies a liar is at the route of many of our problems.
Wow! The things the tories get away with is absolutely disgusting, makes my blood boil, they are absolutely vile, dare anyone call them liars ffs, he said it with no doubts at all
That's not an apology, that's a denial. It's obvious he's being dishonest. You don't call a person a sh thole. That is said in the context of a place, not a person.
You sound surprised. That's what politicians do. Lie lie lie 🙄
Never in my life have I heard a person called a s**thole. Only ever a place. He's thicker than I thought if he's admitting to using the word s**thole. The whole electorate will see right through that.
u r right we shall see right through the shthole @@DeShark88
Absurd! An utterly Kafkaesque exchange. We all just fell through a crack in reality into a mad world where nothing is real. Baffling!
Keep hearing the term 'honourable', not sure who they are talking about, there's only MPs there.
Everyone heard EXACTLY what he said. Gaslighting at the highest level.
The Deputy Speaker yet again failing to do her job
That assumes that the Wallace & Gromit main speaker does his....
She is bloody pathetic, Ive got a chocolate teapot thats more useful. Stuttering blabbering idiots the lot of them. They cost the taxpayers far too much andngive nothing substantial. Truth and democracy is dead in this country along with most to be fair.
@@PAC-fp9hy You read too much into my comment. He's definitely no better
Yes it's so obvious that the term of abuse in question is never used to refer to a person. It is always used to refer to a place. Everyone knows this and the speaker failed to call him out on this. It reflects as badly on the speaker as it does on James Cleverly.
@@charlesshaw7091 Is there not a Parliamentary rule about not swearing at members in the chamber? Why wasn't Cleverley hauled up for 'abuse' of another member?
The biggest lie was calling James Cleverley ‘honourable member’
He didn't apologise. I've heard it and it's clear what he said. This needs to go further. He can milk this for as long as he needs. Make the tory party issue a statement and a humiliating climbdown. He might even get the sack for deliberately misleading parliament. Get professionals to analyse it
So , let’s get this right, Deputy Speaker. You can’t call a fellow MP a liar or accuse home of lying, but it’s ok to swear at another MP or insult their constituency, provided you apologise to Parliament and not to those directly involved!! If I swore at a colleague at work, I would be asked to apologise to that person directly, not the place of work !!
It’s not ok he was made to apologise for swearing
At work you'd probably have been sacked!
Blatant madness!!
"sh*thole" And the part of the jungle from which the Home Security came from, is called what?
The new Home Secretary sounds as sociopathic and as much as a liar as the last one. It seems a requirement in British Politics for that job.
She needs to get another job and the Home Secretary needs to be sacked
This is utter madness- how can he not be called a liar when it’s blatant! Complete mockery.
He *Cleverly* denied saying what we all heard him say. 😜
James Cleverly was the last Tory MP I had even a shred of respect for UNTIL last week. This pathetic party need to be ousted immediately from parliament. They’ve brought nothing but hardship and shame to the people of this nation. Never again should we be represented by such a corrupt, self-serving, incapable group of leeches.
People of Stockton need to remember this, go and visit his address and protest his comments. He wants to make comments about where you live, you go express your dissatisfaction where he lives. MPs have been getting away with this for too long and the matter needs to be taken to their literal doorstep.
Deputy Speaker is basically just a Tory
Lying through his teeth. Unbelievable that the speaker is protecting him
Honourable gentleman with no honour. This whole party is a bunch of liars. Honourable is being used very loosely in this place. An honourable bunch of thieves and liars is more like it.
It is all over his face and his stuttering. So obviously a liar. You don't call a person a shxthole. He should resign for misleading and the lies.
@davidharness1507
Perhaps the voters in Braintree will have the final word. If they reelect Cleverly it will only show they're either brainwashed or brain dead
Even if it were true that Cleverly was referring to the Labour MP by calling him a "shithole" shouldn't the Speaker have demanded that he withdraw the remark and apologise?
Sky: I believe that he said "because it's a Sh1thole"
The speaker weakly said she didn't hear it but if he said it, she was sure he'd apologise. No one calls a person a shithole and you could actually hear the words 'because it's a shithole'. He was referring to the constituency. Someone has got at him and said that will lose the Tories lots of votes - pretend it was the MP you were insulting.
You'd need a speaker with a spine for that I wouldn't hold your breath.
That's exactly what he did. What more do you expect?
@@mfoco1Admitting the truth.
"I didnt say it"
"I said it but not how you took it"
Classic Tories
Good grief, this person is our home secretary!
What an absolute disgrace this parliament is. They look down at us with such contempt !!
James Stupidly calls either Stockton or it's sitting MP a "shithole"; no come back.
Alex Cunningham uses the term "untrue" and the deputy speaker flips her wig!
But, of course, Hoyle is more concerned about how a rowdy chamber is putting the commons in a bad light🙄
Firstly that's not Hoyle, secondly the speaker and his deputies have no power to make MPs tell the truth, there's literally nothing they can do. Please stop blaming them
@@j.x.x.r3645 I think it's a perfectly valid criticism of a system that doesn't allowe the speaker to hold ministers to account.
@@DinnenG hold to account for what? Unsubstantiated allegations by the opposition?
@j.x.x.r3645 Firstly, I know that's not Hoyle; though the excuses are the same!
Secondly, I didn't mention anything about lying; merely Cunningham's use of the word "untrue" and the way he was pulled up over it, whilst Cleverly's offensive language was ignored and the man didn't even have the guts to face Alex Cunningham, on the day, when called out over it.
As for lying to the house, untimately they're not just lying to them; they're lying to every single one of us, as MPs are elected by us to represent us. The current Westminster system was designed in a way that assumed members of that chamber would act in an honourable way; something that the current shower in government have proven, time and again, they simply can't do. If the speakers can't do anything about the lies, maybe it's time the rules were tightened, so that they can!
@@j.x.x.r3645 Why stop blaming them? They're part of and the face of this defective parliament, if they don't want blame for the many and very evident deficiencies they perfectly capable AS ANY MP of canvasing within parliament for changes, they don't so you have to conclude they're happy with the current charade.
And she’s hopeless beyond belief
It's the rules that are hopeless, not the speaker.
She makes Lindsay Hoyle look like a giant of an authoritarian.
@@verystripeyzebraNo, she's a Tory sticking up for other Tories in the most pedantic way possible.
@@playerone9824 yeah yeah, you need to take a look at the role of the speaker, and realise what a polite post it is. Not some disciplinarian role as people seem to believe it is.
@@verystripeyzebra For as whacky as he was, John Bercow did a significantly better job of holding ministers on both sides to account than either the current Speaker or Deputy.
What a coward. Who calls an individual a shitehole?
Exactly, he was clearly referring to an area.
It reminds me of Rayner calling people scum
@@Bill-kj5xwAt least she had the guts to apologise. Even though a lot agreed with her comment.
@@royboy565 I don't and she a called MP she's got the brains of a rocking horse
As is Ms Lang in refusing to deal with it.
Thank GOD we have the Scots if no Scots we would have been busted a long time ago, from London we appreciate our Northern Neighbors, clearly Cleverly is out of his depth!!!
They lie all the time but aren't allowed to say it
It's so sad a Home Secretary can stand there and blatantly lie and it's unparliamentary for anyone to mention it.
We all know he's lying, he knows he's lying.
....and the Deputy Speaker has just proved that she thinks the country are stupid.
And lie and lie again.
The ghost of Boris Johnson still lingers
@@TheCasualObserverseh you having a laugh if you think you can just skip Blair,John major etc
It’s a farce.
@@nyakwarObatYes they all lie, but Johnson turned lying into an art form.
How a bloke like Cleverley gets to be a Minister tells you all you need to know about the state of British politics.
IMO he is much better suited to his erstwhile role of chasing after Olive Oil and fighting with Popeye!
Dianne abbot,the biggest idiot as an MP. The Labour Party and Conservative are all the same. We need a new party to kick the others up the backside. Give reform a chance and see what happens to tye other two
Well said, What happened when Bluto went to Mt. Olive ? Popeye went Crackers !
Dear davewicks you forgot to mention your hero gutter mouth Rayner calling someone scum any comments dave you hypocrite
Never, in human history, has anyone ever referred to a person as 'a sh!th0le'... absolute BS!
I WILL SAY IT HE CLEVERLY IS A LIAR.
Lying to the public needs to be a criminal offence with a custodial sentence if an MP. Never mind these MPs thinking that they are so honourable that it shouldn't be allowed to call them out for their blatant lying. As the truth will set You free.
I gave you a thumbs up but if an asteroid is going to hit us in two months they better be quiet and build some bunkers
He is such a liar!!
He's being taking lessons off Johnson
they are all bloody liers tories trouble is people are stupid believing them
How on earth do the speakers, deputy or otherwise, accept the lies as truth when it is so apparent that it’s a lie. This whole system doesn’t deserve the building it’s run from.
Cannot accept someone calling someone else a liar, but you have to accept an apology no matter what.
This video sums up British politics in a nutshell .
You mean the Government surely?
Cleverly is very clearly lying through his teeth but no one is allowed to say that!
how do none of these people know that the term 'a sh*thole' is only ever used to refer to a place?
I know this constituency very, very well. It has suffered decades of decline under Labour. Crime is rife and social decay so evident. What more can you say!!??
Careful!!!!!!
Dear God. This is now getting to be ridiculous. It was as clear as day what was said and this "deputy speaker" is actually defending (not so) Cleverly. But. come to think about it, she has form in defending tories. 😡
Martynlockhart any comments on your hero gutter mouth Rayner who called someone scum I suppose that's OK with you. You bloody hypocrite
With 13 + years in charge and "Leveling Up" being one of the key slogans
seems stupid to say an area is bad when your in charge of making it and the country better
But they are right honorable :)
@@walshjoseph7991you forgot to insert the word tossers after the honourable
I made that point in my video about it all a few days ago too. If any area is a 'shithole' it isn't the fault of the opposition, is it?
Don't worry: we have a Commonsense Minister now (a replacement for Mad Naz & just as intelligent)
@@isabellewhite3505 Yeah - another scouse traitor!
So that's okay? Oh, fine.
You can't call them a liar but you can call them a sh*thole.
What a f'in joke. Parliament is a joke, the speaker is a joke. Dismantle the lot. Westminster should be abolished
Actually, the people who elected you to that place would very much like liars to be called out as liars and face some sort of censure. Thanks.
Cleverly has been in post for 5 minutes & he is already proving to be an utter disgrace to the office. His mannerisms, his voice, his whole comportment indicate he is lying through his teeth! "Integrity, professionalism & accountability" - absolute joke! The deputy Speaker is a total waste of space. Nothing honourable about her, she's just another Tory in a position way above her capabilities!
If it went to court in front of a JURY, he would be told he is a LIAR. FACT. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I wish they wouldn't call them honourable! They couldn't be further from it.
A person cannot be a Shithole. A place can be a Shithole.
The duty speaker covering up for her party again
If ever there was a less suitable name its Cleverly.
Absolutly ridculous we know what cleverly really said the whole system is crap
Cleverly should resign 😮
a knuckle dragging oaf he is. A degree in hotel management and has already had two of the highest offices of state. I'm not sneering, but has he shown he is fit for the jobs?
Nobody in the history of the world has ever called a person a shit hole. The term has always and will always and certainly on this occasion been used in reference to a place
We need to completely dismantle the entire framework of this country and replace it with a modern streamlined and more fair and democratic version with proportional representation and actual houses rather than this disgusting archaic shitshow
Cleverly degrades Parliament further.
Not so cleverly , theres a theme that runs with these inept Tories
Strange...he either called a place or a person a derogatory term for a place.
Hmmm....i wonder.
If only Alex Cunningham had accused Cleverly of calling him a shithole. Then he could have squirmed out of it by saying he was calling Stockton a shithole.
He's realised or been told that you lose lots more votes by calling constituencies shitholes (what a mentality that reveals) than by insulting another MP.
I can’t wait for James Cleverly to be outed. He’s a disgrace. He is neither ‘right’ or ‘honourable’. This chair is shocking as well.
So Cleverly called the MP a "shit hole"? That makes no sense. Sack the man already!
The house of LIES 👍
The Government of lies....this is not a wetherspons
Surely that should earn him a suspension
Is anyone shocked anymore
This government don’t seem capable of telling the truth. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour yet again.
deputy madame speaker is supposed to be unbiased at all times. that was disgusting. as a linguist i am sure many others would agree that "because it's a s"££ hole" cannot refer to a singular, it must refer to a place or dwelling. shameful to the home secretary and the deputy speaker.
That was extremely shameful of the deputy speaker. And she is meant to be inpartical.......
It's so pathetic. They all know what he said and he's openly lying.
This is absolutely weak and pathetic.
I've never heard anyone call someone that before
What a joke this House of Commons is. The speaker has absolutely no control.