Showing A Mormon: Bible vs Book of Mormon
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2023
- There is a STARK difference between the Bible and the book of Mormon.
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I like this gentle guy he's ready and he's loving.
Amen Amen my brother, I was a Mormon too but no longer 🙏 Jesus is God 🕊️
Wat is a Mormon 🤔?
Oh ok
@@ttbear777100% not true mate. We are the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we believe and worship our Saviour Jesus Christ. We also believe in angles like other Christian's but we do not worship them. The only difference between us and other Christian's is we believe Jesus Christ visited the Americas after his crucifixion and that the Priesthood keys and authority have been restored upon the earth. I invite you to actually read the Book of Mormon so you can actually understand it rather than rely on anti "Mormons" who misunderstand the book. We also are not a racist church. Some of our earliest members were freed slaves. We have millions of members across the globe from numerous races.
@thehistoadian the book of revelations is clear about Jesus's 2nd coming. About what will happen prior to, during, and after... knowing these things proves that Mormonism is a lie. A big fat lie.
@@thehistoadian in conclusion pretty much everything you believe is against the Bible
We are not saved by works, but true faith will show the fruits of kingdom works by your gratitude for your salvation.
Faith does not always produce works and it doesn't have to
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
there isn't a need for "proof"
God is all knowing he doesn't need to see you your works
Faith with no works still saves
There’s justification with God through faith and justification with man through works
@@joshhanlon1225
Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness
Romans 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward *not reckoned of grace*, but of debt.
@yveltal1284 right, but faith with no works shows a heart of ungratefulness. It's not about salvation. It's about the love that leads to the salvation, and there are no amounts of works that can compare to the love given. But ungrateful people tend not to work, period. If you are grateful for being saved, and it's true love, you'll do whatever Jesus tells you to do, and gladly. It becomes a labor of love every day, and you're excited to be a part of the building. It's the difference between a healthy, mature marriage and an unhealthy, selfish marriage. But.....you do you 😆 😇💗
Great way to express God’s love with patience and kindness
He is kind because he has faith
I love this one she really seems to be taking it in and just really seems humble
Listen to Brad Wilcox’s talk about grace. We are saved by grace, however we show our faith in Jesus by our works. I believe the talk is called “His grace is sufficient”
It's a decent talk but the doctrine of LDS is still that man is to be exalted based on their works. I understand LDS view of salvation is through Christ alone. But please consider that the salvation described in the Bible is to be in the presence of God and that includes God the Father. Jesus sits down at the right hand of the father. And father, son and holy spirit are the one true God. So any religion that tells him that there is something you can do to be good enough to be exalted to God's presence is a doctrine contradicting the Bible - a combination of 66 books that we have had significant evidence for long before the BOM or any of the D&Cs that outline about the levels of heaven. I know it would be so hard to leave the culture of LDS and may even leave your family feeling betrayed. But I urge you to find the truth worth. Let none of us be satisfied with truth that continues to change with 'modem prophets' and new 'revelation'. God reveals himself to his people but his truth doesn't change. The way made for us from the beginning to get back to him hasn't changed and Jesus fulfilled it and revealed it completely to us through the NT
But the verse he has compared Ephesians verse to is in the Book Of Mormon. Does doctrine have a shelf life? Listen to Elder Bednar it's in his talk where he talks about how you should read about what happens to covenant keepers and you won't sleep. He talks about the difference between moral agency and agency and it contradicts grace and free agency.
You so full of grace brother when you speak the Word of God. Praise God for you my brother in Christ, I LOVE WATCHING YOUR STUFF
Amen Hallelujah ❤❤❤
I used to be a mormon a long time ago im so glad god found me
James 2: 17-18
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
James doesn't say works save us, works will simply result if we have faith. And Ephesians 2:8-9 literally said "not of works" that we are saved, yet the book of Mormon says it is based on what we do
@@NeedGodnet I didn’t say works would save you - I only quoted scripture.
The video and many Christians discard the message on “works” and as a result miss a valuable lesson Jesus Christ has given us.
Take the example of the commandment to love one another - to keep that commandment is “works.” Loving others is “works.” It’s not that “works” allows you to become the “Savior” of yourself and Christ becomes null and void but it is through Christ we do the “works” - “Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” James 2:24
“I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6. Christ is the way and he has taught us that our “works” is to love one another.
And as Matthew 7 says, “ye shall know them by their fruit,” which goes back to James, “I will shew thee my faith by my works.”
James assumes that you faith but don’t act as a Christian
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Faith with no works is still saving faith
@@NeedGodnet Its both. Thats what the Book of Mormon says. If you just say you have faith that's not enough and if you do all the works but have no faith that's not enough. Book of Mormon teachings is that grace is needed and crucial and the way by which we are saved. It is the atonement and plan of salvation. Matthew 25:31-46 is a clear example of the importance of works.
Amen, is is thru faith and by his grace and mercy!❤❤❤
WE'RE NOT SAVED BECAUSE WE DO GOOD WORKS. WE DO GOOD WORKS BECAUSE WE'RE SAVED.🙌🙌👑👑
Your apologetics are absolutely amazing. Who trained you? I'm so curious. You know the Book of Mormon and the Quran. It's quite impressive and your humility is beautiful too.
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without (works )is dead also. James 2:26
You need works to validate your faith
The works that is mentioned in Ephesians 2:8-9 are the works of the
Law of Moses, also called the Mosaic Law
The apostle was letting them know that those laws no longer can save us.
We are under Christ law now, we need to obey Christ laws now with faith in order to be safe.
In order to obey you need action, works as well , with your faith.
Grace is how we are saved. Works are simply the natural consequence of a true obedience and faith in Jesus.
it doesn't matter if its of the law or not, works are works, they all serve the same purpose, Glorifying God
but works are not for Salvation,
just ask the thief on the cross
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Try reading the book of james in the Bible. James talks a lot about the importance of works.
James doesn't say works save us, works will simply result if we have faith. And Ephesians 2:8-9 literally said "not of works" that we are saved
@@NeedGodnet ofcourse works is not the only thing that counts. Couple faith and works together you have a winning combination. It takes both. You know put your money where your is.
Book of James is for Tribulation Saints
Read James 1:1 for Israel
James 5:3 In last Day ( Tribulation Saints
We are in Grace Ages
Use Dispensationalism Doctrine
Romans 4:4-5
Romans 10:3-4
John 3:36
Faith produces salvation.
Faith produces works
Works do not produce salvation
read james 1:1 and you’ll see it’s to the 12 tribes of Israel
I'm not Mormon but I think it's referring to the same salvation...because we have to do our part.
Eph 2:8-9 says "it's not of your own doing", if we had to do our part, then we don't believe Jesus did everything that was needed for us to be saved
@@NeedGodnet Our conduct will show God that we've accepted His free gift. Our conduct can also show God we have no value for this free gift even if we know it's been given freely.
@@ekulenwaiku4654 God knows if we truly believe, we don't need to prove it to him. Works simply show to other people that our faith is real, but play no part in saving us
@@NeedGodnet Really...? Matt 5:28-29, Gal 6:8, 1 Cor 6:9-10.
we cant argue with the disciples of joseph smith either
Agreed salvation comes from faith alone not works but keeping salvation comes from work. There is a greater and deeper. Understanding you should have after salvation.
"after all you can do" is a 16th century phrase meaning "despite all you can do". The person who made this video does not understand the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon and the Holy Bible go hand in hand testifying the truthfulness of Jesus Christ. I invite everyone to read the Book of Mormon rather than nitpick certain parts you hear from other anti "Mormons" which are misunderstood. Read the book cover to cover, pray to God and feel free to read it alongside the Bible. It will only testify of its truth.
Apologies but I am not going to. The book of Mormons origin has no evidence at all. Only the word of Joseph. Now this wouldn't be a problem if he was proven, but we know from history that he had many wives. We also know he rebelled against the government and also died in a shootout with police. His conduct and evidence doesn't convince me friend. The bible itself has leagues if evidence, this is the book you should lean on.
Regardless, the person in the video he's referring to, and many others, they all think it means faith + works
either way his explanation was needed,
We don’t teach works based salvation. But let’s talk about 2 Nephi 25:23, it’s the Protestants’ favorite Book of Mormon verse, yet none of them bother to learn what it means. In fact you may not even know that people only quote half of the verse. The whole verse says:
“For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.”
There are many ways to properly understand this verse, but salvation by works is not one of them. First, what “all we can do” means is laid out earlier in the verse when it says “believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God.” That is all we can possibly do. In fact, this idea of being saved by grace after being reconciled to God is actually harkening back to earlier in 2nd Nephi where that exact idea is first laid out:
2 Nephi 10:24
“Wherefore, my beloved brethren, *reconcile* yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of the devil and the flesh; and remember, *after* ye are reconciled unto God, that it is *only* in and through the *grace* of God that ye are saved.”
This is further confirmed by Alma 24:11
“And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain”
And even then, the word ‘after’ is not to be read as ‘following’ but as ‘excluding’ so that it reads,
“it is *still* by grace that we are saved *even* after all we can do.”
Or,
“it is by grace that we are saved after all is said and done.”
In much the same way, we are made *after* the image of God; the workmanship of Christ: built to go *after* good works (Gen. 1:26-27, Eph. 2:10).
Putting the verse back in context gives further support to the idea that this is talking about salvation by grace alone. When you look at the other verses surrounding 25:23, it couldn’t be more clear. For example:
Two verses down in 2 Nephi 25:25-26
“25 For, for this end was the law given; wherefore the law hath become dead unto us, and we are made alive in Christ because of our faith; yet we keep the law because of the commandments.
26 And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins.”
The very next page in 2 Nephi 26:24-28
“24 He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw all men unto him. Wherefore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of his salvation.
25 Behold, doth he cry unto any, saying: Depart from me? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; but he saith: Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and honey, without money and without price.
26 Behold, hath he commanded any that they should depart out of the synagogues, or out of the houses of worship? Behold, I say unto you, Nay.
27 Hath he commanded any that they should not partake of his salvation? Behold I say unto you, Nay; but he hath given it free for all men; and he hath commanded his people that they should persuade all men to repentance.
28 Behold, hath the Lord commanded any that they should not partake of his goodness? Behold I say unto you, Nay; but all men are privileged the one like unto the other, and none are forbidden.”
As you can see, the idea that this a works based salvation falls on its face.
Thank you for the context. Definitely worth the read. I doubt he had enough faith to get all the way through it though....
Ok…but how do you explain Joseph Smith being a con artist and secretly marrying tons of women including underaged women? What a great prophet he was!
Book of mormon is an even bigger scam than the bible though
I sadly don't have the time to read your comment but I will say this. The book of Mormon is a little shaky at best as I see it. Not a single piece of evidence has ever been given to me by a mormom. No archaeology, no documents, only the word of smith. That's impossible to justify in my view. Joseph smith himself went against God's commands, rebelled against the government, committed polygamy, died in a shootout with the police. His actions show he was not a man God. His fruit is clear for all to see.
There is no reason to believe him as I see it, friend. May Jesus bring you the truth.
Regardless, it is Salvation by Grace through *faith alone*
not of works, not of yourselves
Ephesians 2:8-9 makes that crystal clear, so if any other verses "seemingly" go against that verse then you've interpreted those other verses incorrectly
the bible, God's Word, will not contradict itself
Easy example: The thief on the cross. He had ZERO opportunity to do any works in his situation. It was grace alone which saved him.
Protestants never quote the verse 10 in Ephesians chapter 2: 10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. So if you are truly saved, you will have good works! James 2:24 states: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. So faith without works is dead! If you don’t have works, you never really had the faith! So yes, you are saved by faith, but true faith will produce good works!
What is faith if it hath not works.
How to you get to grace? Through faith.
We must bare fruit!
If we dont bare fruit our faith is dead.
If you love me keep my commandments. We must follow Christ by doing as we are told by Him.
Tell me, if you were saved from a burning building by a fireman, and you wanted to show your gratitude by treating him to a meal, then when people ask you how you were saved, would you tell them that you were saved only partly because the fireman saved you but also partly because you bought him a meal?
@@dylanapfelmann7461thats a great analogy! I may borrow that!
@@dylanapfelmann7461 You probably won't read this.....
If Christ put no conditions on salvation, why is there a Hell?
Your analogy is flawed.
How did I get the fireman to my house? Did I have to call him?
Your analogy would work better if the fireman said, "I can save you. However I will only save you if you cook me a meal." Then the fireman would actually be acting like Christ.
Salvation is available to everyone by grace through the faith of Jesus.
But salvation is only received by those who will receive it by following Christ and submitting to His will for the rest of their lives.
I don't cook Christ your proverbial meal out of gratitude alone. Though I am grateful. I do it because that is the arrangement we agreed to. If I don't cook the meal, that will be proof that I was never saved. And he will put me back in the fire. It will be proof that I never knew him. (Hebrews 6: 4-6)
Romans 6: 1-2 Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? God forbid!
Jesus can save everyone but does not save us without the following:
Endure to the end (Matt 10:22)
Confess him before men (Matt 10:33)
Be willing to forsake houses, family, children, and lands (Matt 19:29)
Get believe and be baptized (Mark 16:16)
Call upon the name of the Lord (Acts 2:21)
Believe (Acts 16:30)
Hope (Romans 8: 24)
Submit to the righteousness of God (Romans 10:3-4)
Don't fornicate, have idols, cheat on your spouse, act like the wrong gender, or participate in homosexuality, or steal, or covet, or be drunk, or revile, or be an extortionist (1 Corinthians 6: 9-10)
in the New Testament
When Jesus said keep his commandments he meant his new commandments, it is a *New Covenant*,
James 2 teaches that faith with no works is unprofitable ( "what doth it profit" ) it doesn't teach that works are for salvation, that would be the bible going against itself
The bible is God's Word, it will not contradict itself, so your interpretation of James 2 is incorrect
I love his calm nature
More grace brother
Dear believers, stand strong and unshaken. The path you've chosen is indeed the path of life. Jesus is Lord. Have no doubts. More grace to stand.❤
Please dear believers, also share the gospel any chance you get. Tell people about Jesus. He's coming soon.
Live right also because your way of life is the greatest Evangelism. I pray for you that our Lord will grant you grace to pursue him daily. May he hearken to the desires of your heart in Jesus name❤🎉
Have a great day🥳🫂
Mormons/ Members of LDS Church believe in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon the Book of Mormon is like an extra book of preachings of past prophets and is mainly centered on Jesus Christ and our heavenly father
Easy to be saved just by your faith in Jesus.
Psalm 37:3 , 1 Timothy 6:18 , Galatians 6:10 , Titus 2:7 says doing good not by faith alone but faith and works thats why in the bible it says repent so you need to go confession
The bible says salvation is by grace. Even according to the old testament trusting God was always what was needed.
The book of James talks about living and dead faith. Not about salvation. Living faith has works. But it doesn't say salvation is granted by works.
In other words, true faith will result in works. Not works resulting in faith.
Those just say to do good works, they do NOT say that we are saved by our good works
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
If it be of works then it is no longer of grace but that grace may be grace,it is not of works. It's God's gift to us according to His grace and mercy that we're saved,we cannot do absolutely anything to save ourselves,only thing that we can do which is required of us to do is to have faith in Jesus.
I don't go to church I pray little but I beleve and have faith that god will help me
Gelations 1:8 destroys Mormonism.
Well its important to define what is true faith, this faith will be expressed in works, the works do not save us but true faith will produce them
Faith doesn't always produce workk
which is why this is here
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
thief on the cross proved it too
I never understood the book of Mormon because in one of his passages They acknowledge that Jesus did start a church, but then it got corrupted and failed, but if that were true, that means Jesus is a liar because he said Peter, you are rocking on this rock I’ll build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail. But if the church failed, then that means hell prevailed. And a very important piece that he kind of left out we are not saved by faith alone. The Bible actually says we are not saved by faith alone. It’s very easy to make that assumption, but we are not saved by faith alone.
Amen. Saved by Grace of the Blessed Lord
MORMON’S IMPOSSIBLE GOSPEL
Moroni 10:32
“IF you deny yourselves of ALL ungodliness… THEN is his grace sufficient for you.”
Did you notice the IF / THEN statement?
That’s a conditional statement.
So - how much ungodliness do you need to get rid of? Some? Most of? 60%?
Moroni 10:32 states you need to deny “ALL” ungodliness.
What are you if you get rid of ALL ungodliness?
Perfect.
Now, we know it’s impossible to be perfect without grace - and yet, according to this Mormon scripture grace doesn’t start until AFTER you are perfect.
This means grace is unattainable for Mormons.
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The Book of Mormon has other passages which support this:
2 Nephi 25:23
“We are saved by grace, AFTER all we can do.”
When do you get the grace?
Have you done all that you can do?
Have you ever had 1 day in your whole life where you did all you could do?
You couldn’t have prayed another minute?
So - can anyone ever be saved???
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Mormon scripture is consistent about this:
Alma 11:37
“And I say unto you again, that he cannot save them in their sins. For I cannot deny his word, and ye have said no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven. Therefore how can you be saved except you enter the kingdom of heaven?
Therefore you cannot be saved in your sins.”
That’s like saying you’ve got to get out of the water before I’m going to save you from drowning.
The Christian Jesus isn’t a swimming coach - He’s a lifeguard.
If they say, “it just means do your best” - no:
First Nephi 3:7
“And it came to pass that I nee-phi said unto my father , “I will go and do the things which the Lord has commanded. For I know that the Lord giveth no commandment unto the children of men save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commanded them.””
Is it possible for the Mormon god to give you a command you can’t keep?
Did he tell you to deny yourself of ALL ungodliness?
Did he tell you to do all you can do?
Did he tell you you can’t be saved in your sins?
If they say, I’m doing the best I can - then ask - does it say Do the best you can?
So - can anyone be saved?
Read the whole chapter of Alma 34.
Which says you have to have repented of ALL sin before you die, otherwise you will be sealed to Satan.
AND:
a reminder:
Moroni 10:32
“IF you deny yourselves of ALL ungodliness… THEN is his grace sufficient for you.”
This is confirmed by:
Doctrines and Covenants 82:7
“And now, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, will not lay any sin to your charge; go your ways and sin no more; BUT UNTO THAT SOUL WHO SINNETH SHALL THE FORMER SINS RETURN, saith the Lord your God.”
Doctrines and Covenants 82:9-10
“I give unto you directions how you may act before me, that it may turn to you for your salvation. I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; BUT WHEN YE DO NOT WHAT I SAY, YE HAVE NO PROMISE.“
Under those conditions - who can be saved???
Also:
"Trying is not sufficient. Nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon sin,"
Spencer Kimball 12th President and PROPHET of the LDS Church, The Miracle of Forgiveness, p150
The book just quoted, ‘THE MIRACLE OF FORGIVENESS,’ by Spencer Kimball (12th President and PROPHET of the LDS Church) is approved and recommended by multiple LDS leaders:
Ezra Taft Benson (13th President and PROPHET of the LDS Church) urged all church members "to read and reread President Spencer Kimball's book."
(from ‘In His Steps’ 1988).
LDS Church apostle Richard G. Scott called ‘The Miracle of Forgiveness’ a "masterly work" (‘Peace of Conscience and Peace of Mind, 2004) and “a superb guide.” (Finding Forgiveness, 1995).
Where can I talk to you like this
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God bless that young lady
Active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint's (mormon) here. Will let you know that we too believe we are saved by grace. But we show our faith BY our works, as is also biblically consistent. We could do a million works and it would not superceed our need for Jesus Christ. However, we also are in full pursuit to follow him in and obey him by bearing fruit. Please do not misunderstand the doctrine we preach by continuing to burn straw-men. We echo Paul, you just have a pre-conceived notion of what you think we believe. All the best, but you are pushing the same old talking point that does not hold water. You are cherry picking and looking for what you want to see rather than what is actually there.
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I have a question so what religion or what should I do so I can’t become closer to God and Jesus Christ. I wanna fall into the right path, but I don’t know where I was going to the church of Jesus Christ latter-day Saints since reading this what you’re saying and sing another video the book of Mormon contradicts the Bible I’m not sure anymore. I don’t want to fall into something that God is gonna be mad at your punishment for.
How does someone qualify for condemnation?
Aren't we all... ALL saved by His grace through His faith?
Why is there a hell if everyone is going to heven on a free one way, all expenses paid, first class ticket?
This is not a snark. This is a real question. Please explain.
@bryant475
This cotton candy Christianity is a dangerous lie.
We are saved by grace IF we accept his gift. We accept the gift of His sacrifice through our obedience to him. We use our faith in His promise to carry out the good works produced from the Love he fills us with.
We are judged by our works.
We are justified by our faith.
We can be saved because of His atonement.
We have the ability to be obedient because of His grace. But if our works are not consistent with his requirements there is no sacrifice for us.
Hebrews 10:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
@@johnstevens5001 you're interpreting Hebrews 10:26 incorrectly
Hebrews 10:26 teaches that animal sacrifices are no longer needed, read the context
look at this 👇
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
this is the oena7for wilfully sinning, not loss of Salvation
but regardless Hebrews 10 teaches that there's punishment for trying to make an animal sacrifice for atonement after wilfully sinning
animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were for blotting out sins, but now that we have Jesus, the Ultimate Sacrifice, we no longer need to do animal sacrifices
but if we go back to those animal sacrifices, after the knowledge of Christ and his actions, we will face harsh punishment, because it's directly saying that Jesus' sacrifice was insufficient
@@johnstevens5001TL,DR
Willfully sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth (Christ and his work on the cross) no more animal sacrifices are needed for them to be forgiven, We have Jesus' Sacrifice for that, and if you do revert to sacrificing animals for that purpose, while knowing about Christ's sacrifice, you receive harsh punishment
@@yveltal1284
You are saying that is should read "For if we offer animal sacrifice willfully for our sins, after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." ?
I agree with you that the chapter is showing how animal sacrifice was a shadow pointing to Christs sacrifice. And illustrating how the blood of animals can never take away sins.
The chapter transitions from explaining the old law vs. the new covenant. 14-18: For by one offering he hath perfected for ever THEM THAT ARE SANCTIFIED. (there are those that are not sanctified. Christs atonement can save everyone, but it does not save Everyone) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days (after the days of animal sacrifice) saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts and in their minds will I write them. And their sins and iniquities I will remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
The next verses show the contrast from the old into the new. The verses discuss how to act/think under the new law/covenant.
To Allow Christs blood to give you confidence that you have been forgiven and not to let your conscience dwell on your old sinful ways.
To hold on to our faith strictly.
To provoke each other to good works.
To assemble ourselves together exhorting one another.
For if we sin willfully (What ever sins and consequences He saved us from with Christ's blood) after we have been given the law in our hearts and in our minds through the power of the Holy Ghost, Christ's sacrifice for our sins has no meaning for us.
If you died under Moses' law with out mercy under 2-3 witnesses: How much sorer punishment suppose ye shall he be thought worthy who hath trodden under foot The Son of God.
Why would he judge us if there is no crime committed? It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
If he, without conditions, saves every person on this earth while they willfully continue in sin, why is there a hell?
For ye have need of patience, that, AFTER ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
If any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
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Unsure if you’ve done one yet, but I would love if you could encounter a Kabbalist. I’m trying to gently help a person I love very much understand that while all these things are interesting, as Christians, we don’t need to practice or do extra things/rituals like that. Please pray for my loved one yall 🙏🏼💕
NO thru faith not faith alone. Then thru Surrenderance and repentance and forgiveness of sin. ❤
AMEN ❤
Jesus came 1850 years before the book of mormon. Please look into it folks. Jesus is the truth, the way and the life. Not Islam. Not Scientology. Not Paganism. Not Mormonism. Etc.
I mean yes, you're right... the Book of Mormon is heretical. However there are a number of verses in the New Testament that discuss the importance of pursuing righteousness and also the consequences of not. So that verse in the book of mormon isn't necessarily contradicting the Bible because we ARE saved by grace, but if we're not living in the light, then the truth is not in us.
1 John prime example "But IF we walk in the light... the blood of Jesus purifies us from all our sin."
If, then statements. That mormon verse shares a similar thought process.
So we are not saved unless we do something?
that goes against Ephesians 2:8-9 "not of yourselves"
walking in the spirit helps you be less sinful, but it is not for salvation
Turning from sins is works and it is "not of works"
Jonah 3:10 And God *saw their works*, that they *turned from their evil way* ; and *God repented* of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
repent means "change your mind" even God repents
Read the first two chapters of James and it’s clear that works are necessary. What is faith?
I hope she came to know the Lord ❤ I was born and raised Mormon and so grateful that someone lovingly shared the Truth like you did with her. Praying for her and your ministry. God bless you both.
When i first saw the title i thought it said moron 😂
Amen 🙏🏻 ❤
So basically this quote means simply believing in Jesus means you go to heaven but even if you're a good person and do many good works but you're not Christian you will go to hell
I love the overall message, although the bible does say that what we do is important still, and that it is a combination of both faith and works that makes us good christians. There are other reasons to disregard Mormonism.
The Bible doesn't say it's faith plus works that gets us to heaven (which Mormonism thinks). It's faith not works (Romans 4:5). We do good works simply to show our gratitude to God for what he has done for us
@@NeedGodnetwhy do you think we go to heaven if God's original plan was for us to be on earth? Only a few will enter heaven 144 000 the rest will live in paradise on earth...
@@mundayne811When God knows all time was it really his plan for us to remain in this earth? The scriptures teach God will make a new Heaven and Earth.
Faith without works is dead, does James contradict Paul?
So true🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤
Its the church of Jesus Christ 😊 the book of mormon directly reflects the bible and we will pray for your souls salivation brother...dear lord help this young man lose the pride that blinds him, love ya man
We all talk about a God with just about the same deeds...just all call him different names! God is God!!! Whatever you call him...we are talking about the same thing
While the book of Mormon is not true, I feel that this is a bad example. The verse you used directly says it was grace that saves us in the end. The "after all we can do" is trying to emphasize the point that after all the grea things they did, it wasn't enough, and it was grace that saved them.
Let me clarify after all we can do in 1830 was the same thing as saying despite all we can do. Secondly all Christian’s ignore the baptism of Jesus Christ which shows a clear distinction between the Father The Son(Jesus Christ) the holy sprit all of them together make the god head. Not only that but if gif was spirit before Christ then we should be spirts because we are in the image of god meaning his looks like us and we look like him. Then also explain why Christ say he has other sheep and “I” referring to Christ will bring them unto this fold that means that god has other people he needs to preach to besides the meditarnian where Christ taught in the Bible. come on what things mean today is not what things meant during JS time if you want the most accurate understanding of the translation you need to go to the time he lived
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I don’t get how this discredits the Book of Mormon. The one is saying that we are saved by grace after all that we can do. Meaning Everything we do isn’t enough and we are still saved by grace through Jesus Christ. The Bible is saying to not be prideful in your righteousness or because you are redeemed through God because it wasn’t something you earned yourself but a gift from God. Don’t think you are better than anyone because you haven’t earned it either we are all insufficient on our own. They literally preach to the same thing.
Yeah but regardless she and many others , interpret it as "works are needed too"
so his explanation is needed regardless
I’m Mormon and proud to be a Mormon and we are Christian’s and the Book of Mormon and the Bible both talk about each other and how both are the word of god. We believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon. And you don’t have the right or say to say that the Book of Mormon is not the word of god. Not all Mormons are good and not all Christians, Catholics are good ether. We all are human and created in gods image and with grace it is that we are saved but also with living the best life we can do everyday to live with Heavenly Father again one day and that means reading scriptures and helping others and praying and staying true and strong in our faith and believing and trusting god and Jesus Christ and this is all considered as works of the lord. Follow God and Jesus Christ and trust them and stay faithful until we live with our Heavenly Father once again. 🙏🏼
With all due respect, Mormons are not Christians. Your own church used to say this but have changed their tune in more recent years.
Mormons don’t believe in the fundamental Christian doctrines. Just because Jesus is included in your faith, doesn’t mean you are Christians. Similarly to Muslims.
In the Bible, God (through Jesus and His disciples) gives us the defining features and subsequently the authority, as believing Christians, to determine His word from not-His word. To determine His prophets from not-His prophets. True teachers of the faith from not true teachers. As such, we have every right to point out false teaching where it exists. Mormons are Christian in name only, simply because they believe in a person called "Jesus Christ" which is an idolized version of Jesus created by Joseph Smith and is not the biblical Jesus. You're as much "Christian" as Muslims are "Christian". As a side note, an educated Christian would know that no one is good, because God (through the Bible) says that no one is good. This is why repentance is needed in the first place. If you're a good person, you have no need to repent, and thus no need of Jesus's sacrifice on the cross. But Jesus made it clear that only one being is truly good by nature. God.
Proverbs 30 says that every word of God proves true. And yet so much of the BoM has been shown to have anachronisms, or entirely manufactured events that have zero evidence to support them. There are no non-Mormon historians that believe Jews existed at any time in the early Americas. Why? Because of complete lack of evidence. But there are lots of non-Christian historians that consider much of the rest of the Bible to be a historical telling of events, even if they don't believe in the miracles of Jesus. Why? Because plenty of evidence.
Matthew 7 and 24, Jeremiah 14 and 23, about discerning false prophets.
1 Timothy 6 about discerning false teachers.
1 John 4 about "believe not every spirit, but test that they are from God."
1 John 3 tells us that not every person is a child of God, contrary to what Mormons believe.
Matthew 7 shows us that not everyone who does good works in the name of God or Jesus are from Him. "Depart from me, I never knew you."
Romans 3 reminds us that we're all sinners, none is good. All have fallen short of the glory of God.
Paul in several of his epistles, despite being a Christian, still considered himself a lowly sinner undeserving of salvation, fighting with sin and wanting to do good, but stuck doing evil, and all despite being handpicked by Jesus for the ministry. Most Christians who know their theology would never consider themselves good. Paul being among the best theologians in history is an example of this.
I am a born Catholic. I am not familiar with the Book of Mormon. This is an interesting lesson about the two texts.
I'd recommend studying both the Bible and the Book of Mormon for yourself. See if you really think they contradict each other. It's amazing how easily we let ourselves be influenced by the opinion of others. I for one, believe that the book of Mormon compliments the Bible as a secondary witness of Jesus Christ and it strengthens my faith tremendously. Figure it out for yourself!
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As I said before, I am not familiar with the Book of Mormon. I can only listen or observe. So until I am well educated on its subject matter, I can only listen and/or observe. If someone else says something about the Book of Mormon, all I can say is "that is interesting" as I do not know much about it.
I am not foolish as to speak with confidence about that which I do not know.
That's great, I respect your intellectual honesty. So many people today are too dependent on the opinions of man when in reality, all truth comes from God. Only He can witness to you through the Holy Spirit the truthfulness of His word.
Just as flesh without spirit is dead, so too faith without works is death
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Thief on the cross was saved with exactly this
"What doth it profit"
James 2 teaches that faith with no works is unprofitable,
to say otherwise contradicts the bible, (Ephesians 2:8-9 / Titus 3:5 )
it all needs to be smooth as silk.... if your interpretation contradicts a verse, its an incorrect interpretation
Well to be clear yes, we are saved by grace, but what does that mean exactly? Simply put we have done nothing to deserve this gift of God which we see in scripture is called Salvation (1 Peter 1:8-9), but then we come to an impasse in the book of Romans 6:1-14 which right after the speech is given that we are saved by grace and not by our own works which in itself means that no matter how much money we give to the poor, how much we love our neighbors through acts of kindness, or how devotedly we overserve the Old Covenant Law that states we must sacrifice animals to be forgiven of our sins can we achieve salvation, rather we are instructed to understand that we are living a "New Life" after being baptized because through that ceremony we can consider ourselves dead in our former way of living meaning giving into out human desires to commit what is contrary and evil in the eyes of God. Jesus Himself, who is God, made human in every way (Philippians 2:6) taught us how to achieve salvation. He is after all the very foundation of our Faith as Christians as well as the Apostles (Ephesians 2:19-22) because they were put in charge by Jesus to spread His teaching throughout the lands (Matthew 28:19-20). We see that in Ephesians 2:1-10 The apostle is speaking of two district acts of "works." One, representing what we do as a human community and how orderly we can behave through the observance of commandments 5-10 which are summed up like this Mark12:33 Love your neighbor as yourself, however more is stated in that verse which is to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, Soul, and strength. Well how do we do that?? Remember that there are two different types of works, the works we show each other and the works we show God which can only be fulfilled through commandments 1-4. Jesus died on the cross once and for all so that those who draw nearer to Him may have access to the His "Grace." That does not mean someone who is halfway across the world knowing nothing of the sacrifice of Jesus or even our immediate neighbor who continues to deliberately sin will still find themselves in God's Grace. This clip that suggests that we should do nothing because Jesus died on the cross means nothing if we do not strive to obey Him who set us free in the 1st place both Ephesians 2 and Romans 6 are consistent with these matters. This means that we still have duties to fulfil as loyal Christians and believers in Christ, and it all begins with the one command (Jn13:34 & Ro 12:10) Love one another as I have loved you. Only by truly obeying commandments 5-10 can we hope to achieve to love God through the observance of Commandments 1-4 and entering God's Grace.
As far as the robber on Jesus' side who was crucified alongside Him, to suggest that He did nothing and was still saved is by far one of the weakest arguments for our doing nothing and still thinking that we are saved. When we look at what was happening surrounding those events, Jesus was just convicted of being an insurrectionist for claiming to be King when Ceasar was the only supreme ruler of that time and region. Meaning this was a very scandalous political motive in convincing the highest authority to assassinate Jesus by the will of the Jewish leadership of that time. His disciples left Him (Matthew 26:55-56) so technically no one came forward to support nor defend Jesus while He was being tortured or hung on the cross except the robber who out of everyone there defended Jesus by saying He had done nothing wrong and to remember him when he came into His Kingdom (Luke 23:43). Naturally Jesus felt the criminal's compassion and sincerity and of course Jesus being God granted Him an even bigger reward for both His Faith and Change of Heart but most importantly because He was the ONLY one who defended Jesus at a time when no one did. He showed no works, right? But what did Jesus direct His disciples and us over all to do? Keep the commands. (Matthew 19:16-21) We must keep the commands and follow Jesus otherwise we are just liars, and the truth is not in us (1 Jn 2:3-6 & 1 Jn 4:7-21).
Works matter. Grace saves. When Christ suffered at Gethseme he paid for our sins and he atoned for us. He broke the bonds of the death for all men.
Matthew 25:31-46 clearly shows the importance of works. 31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Exodus 21 says you can own slaves..
This guy does not know what it means when it says, "after all we can do." All that we can do is to believe in Christ and promise to repent and do all that the Lord commands us. (Alma 24:11)
That sounds like works you're preaching
Repent means to "change your mind" because even God repents
Jonah 3:10 And God *saw their works*, that they *turned from their evil way* ; and *God repented* of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
and from this save verse we can see that "Turning from sin" is works. and it is not of works
What on earth is Nephi ?
Sorry but you are contacting the Bible. James and Ephesians both state why grace without faith or works does not work. We do believe that all are saved through the grace of Christ, both in resurrection and in salvation, but this does not mean that it is by grace alone that we enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Respectfully, you're wrong about the interpretation of the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 2:6-7) "Wherefore, redemption cometh in and through the Holy Messiah; for he is full of grace and truth. Behold, he offereth himself a sacrifice for sin, to answer the ends of the law, unto all those who have a broken heart and a contrite spirit; and unto none else can the ends of the law be answered." (Mosiah 5:8) "there is no other name given where by salvation cometh, I would that ye should take upon you the name of Christ..." there are more examples of this principle being taught it is by Christ alone we are saved and nothing we be saved. As for why the verse you quoted was worded there are several things to consider but for time I'll point out one key diffrent between what was shared and the other. Verse from the book of Mormon I shared. The word "after" you interpreted it as a condition of salvation and theoretically its possible that is what was being said but the fact there are several more examples saying the opposite I find ot more likely its talking "timing" of salvation... the very verse you mentioned "For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God" Nephi is explaining we labor to do all we can, not to save themselves or their friends and family, but as said just few verse later (2 Nephi 25:26) they "may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins." Which is Christ himself.
Satan came to so many after Christ was risen to beguil them
Yah..I'm sorry, very sorry bit you cannot cherry pick verses and just stop reading the chapter and assume you got the context...in terms of works...IN TERMS OF THE ENTIRETY OF SCRIPTURE!
Faith without works is dead, just as works without faith is dead.
James 2:14-26
Faith and Deeds
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”
Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder.
20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”[b] and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.
King James Version
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? James 2:14
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. 20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:19-20
22. Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? James 2:22
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
James 2:24
Bible is very clear, you need works with faith to have true legit faith , have Works of Christ law , not works of Moses law anymore to be safe.
Other bible translation-
You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. 20 But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith without works is useless? James 2:19-20
You see that a man is to be declared righteous by works and not by faith alone. James 2:24
So i dont have to do anything? All i have to do is have faith?
Sweet!!
lol yes, you are saved by simply trusting that Jesus' Sacrifice was all that's needed for us to be saved
it's nsimply : Jesus paid for *all* of our sins, past present, and future sins, i believe it and trust in it to save me, therefore i am saved
some People don't understand that Hebrews 10:26-27 is referring to animal sacrifices and how they're no longer needed
and if you revert to those animals sacrifices while having tahe knowledge of Christ's sacrifice you will be punished severely
But Free Grace, it's not a free license to sin
basically after believing in the True Gospel, you are saved and sealed forever,
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise
but if you decide to commit a horrible crime, (abusing free grace,) you can be punished
Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
but never loss of Salvation
John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
You are misreading it. Faith is an exercise. Therefore it is a work. So we are saved by Gods grace, not by works, lest any man boast. You are boasting of your faith. And also using it to condemn the LDS doctrine which you also fail to understand..
I’m struggling with lust what do I do?
Here are some tips:
1. Never give up. Even if you failed before, get back up.
2. Remember God always promises a way of escape, look for it. 1 Corinthians 10:13
3. Prevent yourself having access to the sin, even if it makes life very inconvenient for you. For example, if pornography is the issue, don't allow yourself access to the Internet when you are alone. Don't allow yourself access to those sites.
4. Control your thoughts and don't let them wander. Don't feed your desires, it makes it harder to resist it later.
5. Ask God for help in resisting your sin.
6. Read your Bible daily.
And just like a muscle gets stronger the more times you use it, the more you resist sin the better you’ll get at resisting it.
@@NeedGodnet thanks so much 🙏❤️
@@sotl97 god bless
The same Bible teaches in James 2:17 that "Even so FAITH, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." The verse you reference in Ephesians says right there that we are saved by grace THROUGH faith. Of course grace is not a result of our own works, but faith certainly is. You're implying that if this verse in Ephesians contradicts the Book of Mormon, it's also contradicting itself in James, since it's saying the exact same thing. The Book of Mormon and the Bible act as complimenting witnesses of the divinity of Jesus Christ. I wonder why that is such a terrible thing for fellow christians to accept? Anyone that seriously studies both for themselves can figure that out. Don't base your testimony of Christ on some dude's opinion on youtube (myself included!) Do the work to figure it out for yourself. 🙏🏻
If works are not present, then the person did not have a true saving faith. Faith saves, and then after faith comes works. They're not both tied to salvation, but a subsequent series of events. You have faith, you're saved, and you commit to good works because a God who loves you did a great work for you first and foremost. He lifted the weight of sin from you, allowing you to choose to do more good things, and have those good things actually mean something, and then you do them, no longer burdened by the weight you were carrying on your own. You're not made perfect in every way until after death, so you will still sin in some ways, but now have the ability to do good in the name of God because He changed you with his saving grace. As such, someone saying they have faith, but don't have good works, do not actually have faith. Their faith is dead. But someone with a saving faith will do good works in the name of the God who saved them.
@@Josh.Proctor see how everyone has their own interpretation of the Bible though? Who's to say your interpretation is more correct than anyone else's? I believe in Christ's atonement 100%. It enables my faith, however there are still ordinances I need to carry out for salvation. Even Christ being perfect was baptized to show his humility and obedience to the commandments of the Father. The Book of Mormon clarifies doctrine such as this and provides another witness of His teachings along WITH the Bible. If you read it with a sincere heart, you'll see for yourself. People are just afraid that if the Book of Mormon is true, it will change everything for them. That's the whole point.
Only thing Needed is trust in Jesus and his finished work on the cross
James 2 teaches that faith without works in unprofitable, (what doth it profit )
it does not teach that works are for salvation, (doesn't even state that in book of James
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we don't need literal water baptism
we need to be "Born Again"
1 John 5:1 teaches that we are born again upon believing on Christ
means we are "baptised" in the Spirit , by the Spirit
@@yveltal1284 once again, that's your personal interpretation of the Bible. I respect your opinion but at the end of the day, I'm just saying I don't get answers on God's law from UA-cam and you shouldn't either.
We have the benefit of having multiple corroborating witnesses of the gospel of Jesus Christ in both the Bible and the Book of Mormon. They don't contradict like everyone seems to think but hey, it makes a quick and easy soundbite and people fall for it every time without having put any of the effort in for themselves to find out if it's true.
God bless you! I truly wish you all the best. 🙏🏻
That's not the King James version
yes
KJV says basically the same. But there's no need to read it in the KJV, as the original Bible was not written in English, but in Hebrew & Greek. So best to read it in a modern literal English translation (like ESV)
@@NeedGodneti think u steal that verse when i respond u on Discoard and i give u Ephesians 2:5 , im that yellow hamster Ro3eTzZ
Satanism
Oh, I’m so glad to be here. I just heard a Mormon sermon at BYU on UA-cam out of curiosity and I need the Truth cause that was crazy what I just heard in that Mormon sermon. I don’t recommend being curious about the Mormon church. It is no good.
Mormons are actually low key muslims.