Christian vs Eastern Orthodox (EPIC Chat)
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- In this chat, we dive into the key differences between the Eastern Orthodox Church and Bible-believing Christianity.
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Regarding the title, it's just describing what each person primarily describes themselves as. Ryan as "Christian", and the viewer guest as "Eastern Orthodox".
I'm not saying that everyone who attends an Orthodox church isn't a true Christian, because some may attend and trust in Christ alone and not sacraments or any other works to save them. But if someone trusts in the official orthodox beliefs (of faith+works) and deny that Jesus took the punishment for our sins, they aren't saved.
Could you change the title to something else that doesn't make it seem like it was a debate? I've been getting a lot of whiplash because of this video. I'm not asking you to take it down, even though it would be best... But please consider changing the title to something else, maybe (Orthodox Christian asks about Christian beliefs)? The title just makes it seem like it was a debate, which it simply was not.. I even said it was not during the call. Thank you and God bless 🙏
So if you only believe that just by believing in Christ you're saved-you will indeed be saved, but if you believe in Christ AND that you need good works, sacraments etc as well- you're not going to be saved? Does that really make sense to you?
we have to take our cross and follow christ. and what it means to take our cross? It's just faith? No, Jesus fasted, prayed and lived as perfect man. So, I, sinfull man, Will be asked more. Jesus doesn't needs our faith or works he wants us to be perfect just like him. What makes us perfect men? we have to fully submit ourselves to Jesus christ. So as a man cann't live and do nothing that's why we have to do every work for Jesus Christ.Sorry for my poor english.
@@uroszivkovic9988 it does
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"christian vs Eastern Orthodox" is wild.
They dont see us as real christians, they see us as heretics some of them but doctrinally technacially according too them we are heretics according to orthodox teachings.
The guy is a christian, and the other guy is an Eastern Orthodox. He called himself a christian because he doesn't subscribe to a specific denomination, he just calls himself a 'christian'. But the other guy specifically said he was an Eastern Orthodox. The title isn't saying that the Eastern Orthodox isn't christian, its just signifying the difference of Christian denomination that's all...
@@Merica1776o But does he really have to? You're assuming that he is saying that he is 'more' christian that the orthodox guy, but if you watch the conversation, nothing about what he says implies that the orthodox guy is not christian. I mean you could go even further and ask why he doesn't put christian after Eastern Orthodox, or why he doesn't say bible-believing in front of christian, etc. Since he doesn't specify to a denomination, why would he have to say 'non-denom', because that is inherently a denomination itself right? It creates a separation which is what the Jesus specifically preaches against. He only calls the orthodox guy that because he was the one who called himself it...
@@czadeen195 “Christian” is more of an umbrella term that doesn’t clarify one’s basis of knowledge, their position or their doctrines. So for the sake of clarification and everyone identifying the two opposing views of Christology, yes I would say he should. Non-denom can also mean a variety of things so even that itself isn’t specific enough and depends upon one’s own interpretations even more so. At least the Baptists, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses have clear doctrines that they stand by, however heterodox they may be.
@@czadeen195non-denominationalism is just Protestantism without the name.
Orthodox IS Christianity: pre denomination ☦️☦️☦️
On the surface, yes. But the definition of following Christ is doing and believing what He says.
Most (not all) Orthodox Christians, like Catholics, are trusting in their good works plus Jesus to save them. Which is the problem as it is unbiblical.
That’s why they need to hear the gospel exactly like in this video.
no, catholicism is the only pre dominiational church, all christians followed the pope pre schism and we are the only ones to follow him post schism, therefore we are the true continuation of the church created by jesus christ
@@B1rdTheW0rdIt’s not unbiblical at all, grace isn’t a one time thing, we must cooperate with grace.
@@B1rdTheW0rdFaith without works is dead
@@B1rdTheW0rd Works of the law is the 10 Commandments under Mosaic Law, Orthodox works consist of Yeshu's 40 commandments, the 7 Sacraments, etc.
The book of James makes it abundantly clear that Faith without works cannot save you, the demons even believe and they tremble.
Paul says in Phillippians 2:12 that we must work out our salvation, Yeshu even affirms this in the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats in Matthew 25:31-46.
I'd recommend that you do some research on your boy Martin Luther (The founder of Protestantism), the man wanted to remove Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation from the Bible because the contradicted his view on Salvation by Faith alone, the Saints, and more. He did successfully remove 7 books from the old testament though.
As if Eastern Orthodox aren't Christian
Its the heart that counts not the title
Based on their teachings,they aren't,they will be told away from Me,I never knew and emphasis on never knew you,Jesus didn't say i used to know you but you lost your salvation or whatever,He says i never knew you. They and Catholics end Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses and etc are all the lukewarm churches and Jesus said He will spew out the lukewarm.
Only way to be saved Biblically is by having a change of mind about your ways aka repent and believing or in other words trusting or depending on Jesus Christ and His finished work for your salvation,that your past present and future sins are all gone because of what Jesus did on the cross for you and your faith in it and nothing else,no water baptism,no church attendance,no confessing to priest or idk whether people may believe,that all isn't needed for salvation and praying to Mary is sin btw as well as trusting anything and anyone other than Jesus for salvation. Jesus saves you,Jesus keeps you saved, Jesus sanctifies you,He also will glorify you together with Himself,He gives you Haven and Earth for inheritance,He makes you king and priest and His saint and child and etc,Jesus does it all and our part basically is to just allow Him to by putting our trust in Jesus.
That's Biblical and we are to live solely by the word of God so i don't care who said what if it ain't the Word of God,i won't care to listen.
All these other "churches" will be judged by Jesus soon when Jesus returns for His bride and blood bought people and these people who taught they're saved because of what they did or are doing are left behind,then they will understand they believed the lie all the time and they're in danger. Repent therefore now and believe the gospel and you will be saved. God bless.
@@Daughter_of_the_MostHigh and it’s also about the theology behind the title without orthodox Christianity. What do you know today is Trinitarian theology wouldn’t exist.
@@Daughter_of_the_MostHighthe title is meant to divide people which is against Jesus teachings
@@jesus_is_lord_of_alll He didn't come to bring peace but a sword.
Eastern Orthodox are fellow Christians
It depends on whether they are born again or not.
@@gregorylatta8159 salvation is a life long process.
@@HoagieMacintosh69 That is not what Jesus taught.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
@@goodshorts Believe and follow His teachings.
@@NikosNikos-dr7wv Believing in Him is salvation, following Him is discipleship.
This is me lol. Thanks for the chat man, would definitely want to have another chat some time ☦ This was NOT a debate. I simply just wanted to ask him questions about what he believed in, and his thoughts on Orthodoxy. I'm not nearly knowledgable enough to be having a debate. If you're wanting to learn more about Orthodoxy please don't take this video to heart and talk to Orthodox apologists.
Thank you for asking these questions.. this was amazing
It's the bro
Hey Orthodox man
I mean 7th ecumenical council is clearly a accreation origen many early christians are atually againsts icon venerations, and it shows that, the ecumenical council are falliable which proves protestantism that the sole highest autority of faith should be the bible.
Brother, please, speak to your priest.
This man is woefully unequipped to be telling you these things. I understand that his heart is in the right place, but that doesnt mean he knows a lick about the Orthodox faith.
He claims that Paul was only in Thesselonika for 3 days, thats hog wash. It was bare minimum three weeks, and thats pushing it.
You can go visit the very church of which Paul taught, his seat upon which he taught from is still there (Fr Josiah Trenham talks about this, I highly recomend him) and that church is ORTHODOX ENTIRELY, not non denominational protestant.
Getting advice from heterodox content creators is a sure fire way to sew doubts in your walk.
Please, pull your priest aside and ask him these questions, push him on all the hard stuff, they are equipped for this. Im also here if I can help, but this faith alone nonsense wasnt pushed until the 1500's with Martin Luther, same with Sola Scriptura, whom Martin Luther said " Theres as many interpretors of scripture as there are heads". Not to mention this man you spoke to doesnt affirm the holy mysteries; the sacraments of baptism and the eucharist! God forbid one deprive themselves of such incomprehensible tools in our walk.
This is so sad, pray for this man 🙏🏾☦️
Lord have mercy on him
Pray for who? The viewer or the speaker?
@@vman9347You r speaking with the flesh
For you put tradition first
@@vman9347exactly my point we r talking about the scriptures yet people rather obey mans tradition instead of GODS word
@@aaronwalsh2046 Both, everyone needs prayer.
Orthodoxy was established by Christ
Time to watch the video
Christ didn’t founded Orthodox, Protestant or Catholic Church, Christ founded HIS CHURCH. It is the group of everyone eho puts their trust on Jesus to get tren to heaven. People made the denominations, not God! It will not be matter in which church we was going, the only thing that will matter is what do we believe is going to save us, Jesus or our good works… Follow JESUS he is the highway to heaven! (John 14:6 Romans 6:23 Acts 4:12..)
@@aleksaralevic yes but the holy catholic and apostolic church was founded by Jesus
@@aleksaralevichis church? What church? Pastor Jimbob church in the year 2024?
@@Danielqu976😂😂😂
Kyle is gonna be pissed
And he could wipe the floor with this guy, this guy is just another Ray Comfort, but he doesn't have that smarmy used car salesman vibe to him.
Kyle who? I wanna watch his channel
@@caitlyn189
Just type "Orthodox kyle" in that search bar, and his channel will come it. It'll just say "Kyle."
@@caitlyn189
Just type "Orthodox Kyle" in the search bar.
His will be the first channel that pops up. It's just called "Kyle."
@@eddardgreybeard ray comfort is a works based faith. That's not what this guy is saying
LOL!!! The title "Christian vs Eastern Orthodox" is insane!!
Mark 12:31
I like it. 😊
Seems accurate.
This was an amazing conversation, I have learned a lot from this. Even as a believer of Christ this has helped me in my journey, of improvement. Thank you and may Jesus bless all. ❤
Wait till Jay Dyer, Sam Shamoun, Kyle, Ubi Petrus, Orthodox Shahada, Fr Deacon etc finds this guy
Kyle heard about him for sure.
kyle made a video
@@callmecharlie0498 hahaha yeah lol
Jay dyer would have a field day with him😭
@@Alex_contreras Nah Jay would just kick him from the chat after bullying him 😭
Protestant vs Christian *
Naw, Christian vs pagan
@@theonewhoknocks988 Eastern Orthodox are in no way pagan. You are slandering the apostles and the Church that Jesus Christ established. Are you saying He lied when he said the gates of Hell would not overcome the Church?
@@theonewhoknocks988 as a former pagan, you have no idea what youre talking about. sit down
@@theonewhoknocks988 not all protestants are pagan. I've watched some of this guys videos he definitely isn't pagan just a protestant.
@@vman9347 correct, protestantism is still Christianity. It's just not the fulness of the truth.
Can you debate a catholic or orthodox apologist
Lol he would never his entire channel would be destroyed
@@dubbstepl273he just had an orthodox on. His channel is still here.
God bless brother! Good stuff
Anyone else come here from OrthodoxKyle? I'd love to see there 2 have a civilized discussion. Christ is King.
WOW!!! GOD IS SOO GOOD!!!
This morning I asked Father God to please give me clarification on a few things. I get to work, read my daily verse which was James 2. Then this video pops up when I click on UA-cam!!! Thank You Almighty God!!! I received a lot of clarification from this video, thanks for sharing this!!! May God The Father and our Lord Jesus Christ bless you with grace and peace! In Jesus’ Name, Amen✝️❤️🔥🕊️🙌
Wow, so glad to hear that! Glory to God
You did an amazing job here
Protestant ( 500 yr old tradition ) vs Orthodox Christian ( 2,000 yr old tradition )
Mark 7:8 tradition means nothing and only makes those who follow akin to the Pharisees
Trusting in man-made tradition over trusting in Jesus Fully for your salvation will have disastrous consequences. Most of the Scriptures that speak on tradition is negative. God's Word is the only infallible Authority; man is flawed.
Trusting in man will lead you to hearing the dreaded words of DEPART FROM ME. The other commenter mentioned the Pharisees who had much tradition and we very religious but the overwhelming majority of them did not find favor from Jesus.
This is the mindset we need to brake free from If they trust in Jesus for their salvation and He is their LORD, they are our brothers and sisters and we need to pray for them, and help them see the truth in love. They have been taught wrong but that doesn’t make them any less the body of Christ!
@@Daughter_of_the_MostHigh I’m so use to protestant know it alls slandering our Christian Catholic faith I could care less of what they think. They don’t even know what they think, there’s like 30 thousand different denominations, they’re confused themselves. I just don’t take slander, irl they would get knocked out.
The RCC slaughtered all the true Bible believers that’s history. Orthodoxy is a spin off from the RCC.
Ayo brotha I love ur vids and the background is lit ur shorts are fire too keep up the great work!
This guy knows more than the church fathers in the 7 ecumenical counsels
He was the first to read and understand scripture, don't you know? I bet he even discovered the book of Romans and got it canonized.
@@eddardgreybeard oh yeah bud, we got our own Ignatius over here
@@eddardgreybeard Mark 12:31
Mark 12:31
Ortho bros are madd 😂
The church is the authority that put the bible Canon together in one work. So it's interesting to think on can a infallible source be decided on a fallible one?
How did they put the cannon together? Especially how does that demand infallibility to do so?
The Word of God wouldn't have been God's Word if not canonized? How about the Word of God preached by Jesus, n the apostles written down and sent to believers? Shd lack of canonizing it reduce it from being God's Word?
@NATAR160 Good questions I thought more on my original question, and the answer is yes, fallible sources can point to an infallible one by the grace of God. It's how we, as fallen, fallible people, can point to truth or at least aspects of it with a God-given conscious, reason and experience. So the church guide by the holy spirit with the previously listed gifts from God could put the bible cannon together.
@@MrTripleAgamer So, in a nutshell u don't need infallibility to canonize scripture, which is my point.
@@NATAR160 I see that now, agreed
That part cracks me up, too 🤣
Brother, thank you again for your work. This is so helpful in sharpening the responses I give. Thank you.
Thank you, this was very helpful
Brother, I’ve been watching you for a while and I really appreciate your heart. You really role-model some things here that all of us could learn from. One of them being patience and keeping frustration in check. I just bookmark this not just because of the topic, which I think is absolutely crucial and invaluable, but also because of the role modeling of a Christlike disposition when talking about doctrines with those who do not adhere to them. I hope to know you someday. :-)
Icons are not being venerated as being actually God or a Saint. The veneration is to the person on the icon. Very different from what the pagans did.
The person is not in the icon or have anything to do with the icon. Icons are just art, nothing more. They are not holy or hold any kind of power or blessing. So why even kiss them, pray in front of them or bow down to them?
The icons arent just art, they are a representation of that person. A memento. Just like any statue or painting you have of any person, this might be art but it’s more than just art
@matheuscaneta1194 Actually, it's not.
@@gz67 They are image bearers of Christ, by giving respect to them we are giving respect to the body of Christ. So for you to say such things are a disrespect to Christ my friend. So for you to say that saints are not holy, is just nonsense. They are of course holy because of Christ btw.
noah's ark had 2 cherubim
This is a Protestant vs a Christian, not a Christian vs an Orthodox.
It’s a Christian vs a Pagan (Orthodox, Catholics, Mormons)
This is the mindset we need to brake free from If they trust in Jesus for their salvation and He is their LORD the. they are our brothers and sisters and we need to pray for them, and help them see the truth in love they have been taught wrong but that doesn’t make them any less the body of Christ!
Protestant vs Orthodox
@@theduke6174
Protestants aren't Christians. The truth didn't magically come to light after 15 centuries of darkness where the holy spirit somehow lead the entirety of Christiandom in error.
Believing yourself to be the first Christians to somehow read and understand scripture is peak arrogance.
@@blissseeker4719
Because sin isn't a concept and Christ just somehow didn't mean it when he told people to go and sin no more.
WOW , way not enough subscribers or likes for the caliber of this young mans content.
Help your brother out Please ! , and share this on your chosen media links , as i know there are many that deserve the scripture in a relatable and smooth reading and understanding. and thank you for sharing.
Also i would like to thank you young man for your time and passion for the truth. well done once again.
There is absolutely nothing more beneficial than an in depth conversation like this, awesome
I was with you until about 30:00. Jesus said "repent and believe." We cannot ignore that repentance is a requirement. If you die in the midst of sin, like a heart attack while you commit adultery for the 2nd/3rd/4th time, then do not assume you will be going to heaven. You may have "repented" and been saved in the past, but was it true/honest? This is why the Word states "faith without works is DEAD." Your actions will reveal to others whether there was a true change of heart. And God knows your heart and mind regardless of what you say/do. There is no fooling Him even if we deceive ourselves.
Repentance is a change of mindset not necessarily stopping sinning all together. Repentance should lead you away from sin but it doesn’t stop us from stumbling
@@danielhdz0447 So many people don't understand this point, well done.
Repentance is a one time action, my good sir. In the context of salvation and for the purposes of heaven, one repentance, one confession, one salvation.
Forgiveness is once for all, not progressive according to Hebrews 10:10-14. One offering for ALL time. All time = past present & FUTURE 😊.
Now repentance in the Christian is not required but *expected*. I say that because a Christian had a transformation by definition that changes what they want at the core. We struggle with the flesh's desires, but God gave us love incorruptible Ephesians 6:24. We love God.
Salvation is not something we maintain or sustain. God alone saves and maintains our security. We will sin and be miserable...OR we will obey God and be fulfilled.
What is this title man?
This is fantastic 🎉
The clarification of salvation through repentance was so good.
It’s not the act of repentance that saves us, but it’s simply a reflection of the heart change and brokenness we have over our sin.
Great work, brother. I praise God for conversations like this.
I love this mans gentleness
Satan was also an angel of light
@@hippiosWhy not just prove how he's not making sense, so everyone can learn. Do me a favour and give me a reply that shows u did ur own home work without peddling what u ve been told.
I was interested in your videos until you started hyperfocusing on picking apart people who don't align with you 100%. Your own stance is belief is all you need. So why, then, would belief in Jesus and also obeying scriptures and the words of Jesus exclude somebody from salvation, as you have basically told them they are not a follower of Jesus? This is a debate centuries old, rooted in calvinism versus arminianism. There are verses that support both beliefs, and I guarantee nobody has all the perfect answers. If you think you do, you are an extremist. But ironically, the ones who say all you need is belief in Jesus are the first ones to cast stones and judge those who don't believe the exact same thing as them when it comes to salvation. But it's actually useless arguing because God is the giver of salvation and He is the Judge, not you. So spend your time more wisely and build unity among the brothers, not division.
What a good episode. I thought he lost it a little there toward the end, but then another revelation! Prayers always for the ecclesia/ekklesia ❤
Ryan: Baptist Christian
Viewer: Eastern Orthodox
Baptist vs Eastern Orthodox
When I was young, people in the church told me not to read the Bible because they believed I would misinterpret God's word. Now that I understand my Father in heaven has left me a message through the Bible, I realize that during my younger years, they kept me away from reading His words meant for me.
Was it a Progressive Christianity church ??
Cos what type of church would say soo..
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@@arpitalexander8809 Catholics and Orthodox i guess (not sure for orthodox)
It's a common religious tactic. That is why the church didn't want the Bible to be translated to English.
In Orthoodoxy we are called to study the bible, the Saints, and Church fathers daily, we even have calenders showing with Chapters to read daily.
And read OT and NT over and over again.
Glad you realized the truth
You are not a genuine a Christian if you simply believe Jesus was an actual man that roamed the earth. You are a Christian if you trust in Christ along with what He accomplished for the purposes of being more like Him how He intended you to follow Him. Lots of religions claim Jesus was a real man (not just Islam, but Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc) and these do not honour Christ as His followers were instructed to do
Amen brother
Yes well the Greek word for believe that was translated does mean more. It means to entrust or have faith in. When you believe in Him not just believe He existed, you entrust your soul to Him. Surrendering to Him alone for salvation and not yourself is what saves you. If you still hold on to your works which He sees as filthy rags, He will say, “depart from Me” because you believed in works not Him. You never knew Him.
@@lilfridge69 yep, which is problematic for those who claim to be Christians, yet adhere to a Easter Orthodox or Roman Catholic tradition. It’s through “sola fide” not “faith and works” and most-definitely not pelagianism
Yes, Jesus is our King, our light and you don't need a tittle. Just a servant of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth ❤
Not 1 mention of keeping Jesus's commandments. I would argue only Christians keep Jesus's commandments.
Jesus said if you love me keep MY commandments John 14:15.
That's how we KNOW him, is by keeping HIS COMMANDMENTS 1 John 2:3.
The love of God is that we keep Jesus's commandments 1 John 5:3.
Jesus commanded us to keep HIS commandments, to abide in his Love John 15:10.
Christians keep the law of Christ and have faith in Jesus, Revelation 14:12.
Those who do Jesus's commandments will have right to the tree of life Revelation 22:14.
Awesome message of believing God and trusting nothing else.❤
Awesome 👏🏾 💪🏾
Debate jay dyer
This should be titled Protestant vs Christian
Naw, Christian vs pagan
@@theonewhoknocks988 Protestant Non-Demoninational vs Eastern Orthodox
Don't call fellow Christians pagan, by the same measure you judge others, it wil also be used against you.
Hello brother!
Ryan, I’m very envious (in a good way) and proud of your ministry. I have a question for you but I have to lead up to it.
I’m a youth group leader, and I have a helper to reach out and get connected by becoming friends with one another so we can solidify the gospel in them and create friendships. I have received input with my humility in which I find out that I appear to be judgemental. I’m told by my helper that some of our youth thinks they cannot open up to me because I will judge them.
I really care about my youth group, and I’m struggling to appear to become less and less strict and judgement (I think I don’t look the part at least) but rather to be open, loving, and increasingly passionate with them as much as you are with other people online. Your voice and attitude and confidence is something I really envy (again, in a good way). How can I be like this? How can I appear more approachable and also not worry about what others think of me which is another issue I sadly struggled with since I was young. I’m 20 now.
Edit: I think the Lord placed it in my heart to watch more of your interactions with other people and to learn from them, as well as to reach out to you for more input.
This was a very good conversation. I appreciate your gentleness and humility, while also being bold on truth. And for those of you to hard hearted and stuck in the lie of your own traditions. GOD’s word is the only infallible truth. There is nothing outside of it. There is no man, priest, pope, king, queen, dictator, president, or any man on earth who is infallible. There is only one infallible and that is the LORD GOD of heaven and earth.
Have this conversation with Sam Shamoun..
Sam would tear him to pieces 😂😂😂
@@log13_88 shreds lol and honestly, he needs a lesson in humility
@@dfwherbie8814 all protestants do.
Nah Jay dyer
@@blissseeker4719 he explicitly refers to orthodox and Catholic branches as the correct teachings of the faith. He leans towards Catholicism now. So no, he wouldn’t agree.
“And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful.”
Titus 3:14 NKJV
“You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”
James 2:24 NKJV
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:26 NKJV
“Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.”
I John 2:3 NKJV
Do you actually believe in these scriptures?
Protestants do not believe that we should abandon works. Works are the fruit of what the Spirit is doing. If I saw a fellow Protestant not doing work, this would be a sign of unconfessed sin or unbelief. It should be confronted.
With that being said works can become an idol themselves, which is what the apologist was referring to in this discussion.
@@jordanbrown4779 can we keep his commandments?
Thanks!
Somehow that after putting faith in Jesus and continuing in sin still gets you to heaven makes me wonder? Coz I believed genuine repentance bear fruit, sanctification, edification, you hate what is evil and you will love righteousness. Sometimes, mentioning that line to new believers make them think it’s ok to sin as long as you put faith in Jesus. Please clarify on that more? I believe, like me even now and then I sinned unintentionally and intentionally, the Holy Spirit rebukes me and helps me renew my minds and go back to God, repent daily. Of course, I believe that salvation comes through faith alone in Jesus alone, and that always reminds us to love righteousness and whenever we fall short, we go back to Him. It is the attitude, the character that we no longer love the sin but hate it whenever we do.
Protestants don’t believe in the Eucharist. Yet Christ said that “
Then Jesus said unto them, “Verily, verily I say unto you, unless ye eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.” John 6:53
The thief on the cross next to the Lord God Jesus didn't have the opportunity to take the Eucharistic, and yet he was informed that he would be with Him in heaven.
@@christafarion9 the thief on the cross is an example of God’s inexhaustible love for mankind. That even though the thief self-admits to be receiving punishment worthy of his deeds, God forgives him when the thief with humility asks Jesus to simply “remember him”. Are you hanging on a cross right now, having led a life that was very far from what God has taught? Or do you imagine you can live however you want, and then hope that at the last moment of your life, you will “repent”?? God would reject such hypocrisy. No. We have the Bible which tells us all the things we must do. And the apostles were sent out to preach, and baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. And the apostles received the Holy Spirit, “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”(John 14:26)
The question I pose back to you- did the Holy Spirit cease teaching the subsequent bishops, who are apostles of Christ’s church and guide them throughout the ages to the present day? Of course not. But you Protestants, have unfortunately become fathers of the church unto yourselves- rejecting tradition and interpreting each unto yourself whatever you wish. It’s unfortunate. I don’t say this in judgement.
@@christafarion9
The thief on the cross died before Christ Rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.
Please, for the love of God and all that is holy, understand the concept of a timeline and the necessity of the sequence of events, the thief on the cross is peak room temp IQ theology.
@eddardgreybeard there's no need for ad homenim insults.
“Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise” (Luke 23:43)
God Bless!
@@christafarion9
There was no ad hominem there. I said nothing about you, and I addressed your argument directly: the thief on the cross died under the old covenant.
Great exchange.
Definitely an epic chat
❤ thank you !! Cleared up so much for me also Greek Orthodox to born again !! ❤
I am a baptised Roman Catholic from Sri Lanka. The Roman Catholic church is the biggest
Christian denomination in Sri Lanka...although the Anglican (Protestant), Church of South India, Evangelical, Baptist, Reformist denominations also have a sizable presence. My heritage is in fact both Roman Catholic & Anglican Church of England split evenly between the families of my parents. So I grew up going to both Catholic & Protestant churches & Sunday School...and do so to this day with my family.
Having personal experience with both camps, I have no qualms about accepting Catholics & Protestants as Christians...as they all accept Christ as their Lord & Savior (not sacraments) and the only path to salvation. However, the Catholics and similarly the Eastern Orthodox have a huge emphasis on sacraments & traditions and rightly so as they provide the discipline, guidance & framework to practice your faith & trust in Christ. We all cant just stand with only the Bible in our hands and say "I believe Jesus is my Lord & Savior"...and have a fulfilling Christian faith considering the challenges to our faith thrown up everyday. You need a strong sense of connection to the community, to traditions...that you can then pass on to the next generation. Of course for some people the Bible is enough but that is the small minority in my opinion. That is why all these countries with a strong protestant & even catholic influence are losing people from the faith. Even within the Protestant community, there are literally 30,000+ denominations showing a great diversity in interpretations & they all have created their unique style and practice of Christianity, which is in itself a tradition. However, this has led to much confusion.
The Orthodox church to its credit has one of the best retention rates of believers with a strong emphasis on disciple and tradition. This is much needed in my opinion. Even listening to Orthodox priests, they always emphasize that Jesus is the Lord & Savior. I've yet to hear one say "Sacraments/Traditions are our Lord & Savior".
Thanks for uploading this full chat Ryan 🙏
No worries!
Blessed Mother, pray for us. May your intercession draw all souls closer to the heart of your Son, Jesus.
God bless you all! Please don't judge orthodoxy without having any experience in it, for if you do not rely on the teachings of the ancient church in the Bible then you rely on your own understanding!☦️
Saying that Orthodox Christians are not Christian is insane. They are far more in line with the teachings and practices of Christ and His apostles than your Pastor Bobby's Community Bible Church Tennessee
needgod needs god lol
Mark 12:31
The Toll House enthusiast doesn't think he needs God.
I was thaught like you but I've come to understand that works are more important to our salvation.
Looking at the churchfathers, the emphasis on works as always been huge.
Im still practicing the best way to explain it.
Salvation of the elect is past present and future. We have been saved, and we will be saved.
There is something different.
The condition is to have the living faith that was given by grace. A free gift independant of our own free will.
But our perseverance in the faith is a free choice.
The Bible talks about the "fallen away from faith", the "shipwreck of faith" and the "dead faith".
There is no merit through works, as it not about gaining. Its about not to lose what was given.
Like Judas and Ravi zacharias who lost the love of their Master.
Cool that Ray Comfort’s son has started a channel
The “church” is more than a bunch of people getting together saying “we believe in Jesus.”
Really? Oh please, do tell. What is the "church?"
@@ChildOfTheOneTrueAlmightyGodyou really think anyone who says we believe in Jesus is really the true church?
@@ryanrodrigues6175believing IN Jesus biblically is not a simple belief in His existence. Even the demons believe and tremble. Those who turn to Christ and put their faith in His finished work on the cross for their salvation are the Church.
Kyle already explained and made a video on this topic
And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. -romans 11:6
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast.Ephesians 2:8-9
Ryan if you ever come to the UK I would love to meet you. You seem like such a lovely person and so smart I'd love to pick your brain. Seriously if you ever come to the UK and need anything just ask.👍 and thanks again for helping me to understand that it's not my actions that get me to heaven but Jesus'.
The Orthodox Church is the only Church.
Waitttttt so what about the head of the papacy?
@@jdruiz_95 What about it?
Hilariously untrue
@@SamC_182 Not an argument
@@hxplxss1835 absolutely debatable & actually easily refutable using only the scriptures
Speak to Jay Dyer
I have a question about faith. If you say that works is meant to be expressed in front of others to show you have true faith, then who did Abraham express his faith to while he carried his son to the altar?
Id say him bouncing on from his whole city was an expression of faith in front of many 😅
But in that context I’d say Abraham and Isaac both expressed faith to one another. Abraham showed him his faith in the sacrifice and well if Isaac was in fact faithful and knew what was going on then it would be him also showing faith that this is what the Lord commanded. Either way Abraham did show it if Isaac did not.
i saw on a website. That If when we sin we are doomed then Jesus have to come and die again. This was a revelation for me
Hebrews chapter 9 and the 3 little letters of John speak beautifully to this topic.
1 John 2:1-2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
I feel like you're either a Christian or you're not. There is no denomination required
Yes to be a Christian means to be baptized in Christ’s One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, The Orthodox Church.
@paulcasino9511 No, that is a worldy indoctrinated sentiment on being Christian. Giving authority to a church and priest/man goes against everything written in the Word. There is only one way to heaven. That is through Christ...
Research Church history.
it's amazing that what you feel doesn't equate to truth
@cuevak3160 who are you to tell me what I feel about my faith is not the truth? That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. My discernment tells me otherwise. You don't have to believe what I believe. But I never needed a man or a priest to help me come to the conclusion. The word brought me here. The word is the truth.
Masterclass in Christianity. Our God is amazing. Wonderful chat! ✝️💪
Hey, can you explain 1 John 5:7 and how it's not in the greek manuscripts
Wasn’t Apostle Paul in Thessaloniki for a year and a half?
Orthodox is truth ☦️♥️ and we love catholic and protestant brother.
Jesus is the truth, the way and the life
@madewhole-ev4uy Yes, Jesus is our King, our light and you don't need a tittle. Just a servant of our Lord and God Jesus Christ of Nazareth ❤
@@madewhole-ev4uy the church is the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.
1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, *which is the church of the living God, 👉🏻the pillar and ground of the truth* 👈🏻
Jesus is Truth. Not His church.
@@princesscookiee
1 Timothy 3:15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is *THE CHURCH of the living God, the pillar 👉🏻AND ground of the truth* 👈🏻
I’m not following you on your idea that a gift can’t have conditions. You can buy your kids a dog as a gift with the conditions that they have to feed it and take it for walks. You can buy them a car with the conditions that they have to take care of it and pay for the upkeep. You can require them to pay for the insurance and follow the laws of the road. If I make them change the oil and pay for the upkeep of it, it doesn’t change the fact that I bought them a really nice gift and expect them to use it appropriately. If I catch them drinking and driving or street racing in it, I’m more than justified to discipline them or take it away from them. None of those things negates the fact that I gave them a gift.
a gift is something willingly given without payment. God's eternal salvation is not a toy car... you sound insane.
@@BoyMonty everything I just described was willingly given without payment. At no point did I mention a toy car. 🤦🏻♂️. But please, go on about how I sound insane… and grow up while you’re at it.
Salvation is indeed a free gift…that comes with conditions. You do not earn spiritual rebirth or the Holy Spirit, but you’re expected to follow Him down the path to salvation.
Romans 8:12-13
So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh
- for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
@@scottsponaas you used the analogy of giving ur kid a gift... do you use ur brain?
@@BoyMonty
Maybe you should use yours first.
God offered you salvation, you're expected to keep the commandments and sin no more
@@blissseeker4719 what does anything you just said have to do with my point that gifts can have conditions? At no point did I claim that good works earn salvation.
My entire point is that just because we are saved by grace, that doesn’t mean we’re free to sin all we want. There are conditions to our salvation and one of those conditions is sanctification. True faith will produce fruit. The branches that don’t bear fruit get cut off. Perhaps I should quote Jesus.
John 15:1-6
1 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5 I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
26:30 that was so edifying to hear someone else interpret it as I did, indeed it speaks of flesh birth with emphasis on having a reborn spirit, not baptism
Love this, we need more Christian’s covering the Eastern Orthodox religion. They are very similar to the Catholic Church but they branch out in very strange ways. The Eastern Orthodox Church considers the decisions of the first seven Ecumenical Councils (from Nicaea I in 325 to Nicaea II in 787) to be infallible. Nicaea II in 787 included specific anathemas concerning those who do not venerate icons. In the New Testament, "anathema" is derived from a Greek word that means something dedicated or devoted, but it often carries a negative connotation, implying something devoted to destruction. For example, in Galatians 1:8-9, the Apostle Paul uses the term to denote a severe curse: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse (anathema)!"
Anathema 3: "If anyone does not salute such representations as standing for the Lord and his saints, let him be anathema. If anyone does not kiss such venerable images, let him be anathema."
Oh can't wait yo watch this tomorrow morning 😊
I’m Catholic, and I want to have a chat with this guy….
Go on ahead 👌🏿, he is easily refutable
@@Akhgy Sure, try to refute gods word.
@@Akhgy Mark 12:31
Mark 12:31
@@Akhgy You wish
@NeedGodnet I wanted to ask a clarifying question. Christianity is a religion, but would it be more helpful to say it is not a **manmade** religion?
5:20 in the old bible it says
2 Thessalonians 2:15
[15] so, then, brethren, stand ye fast, and hold the deliverances that ye were taught, whether through word, whether through our letter
That happen if you change things the bible🤨
They are synonyms. If you’re a Christian your EO. There is one church. Stop trying to deceive people. Christs body is not divided
claiming you have to be EO to be part of Christ's Church is deceiving and unbiblical. You must be born again. The Church hinges on the Gospel not tradition.
@@---bl2uj first of all, where does your Bible come from, that you apparently are the infallible person to correctly interpret it?
@@Alex_contreras Scripture is God breathed. Who's going to interpret your interpreter? and so on and so forth. where does this lie come from that the Gospel is hard to understand? "“and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.”
Matthew 18:3
A child can understand it. The Bible is crystal clear on salvation.
@@---bl2uj okay scripture worshipper. Scripture points us to the person of Christ, Christ left us a church, not a book. I recommend not being so low tier in your thinking and genuinely looking for the truth. There’s tons of resources. I was once like you not very long ago. An avid scripture alone Protestant who debated against and was convinced the orthodox position was “man tradition” and the whole 9. Just look into it bro bro
@@Alex_contreras Scripture is the only infallible authority. Low tier thinking? lol how nice. Just because someone doesn't end up where you do doesn't mean they haven't sought truth.
Thank you good brother. I am only a few minutes in, and I’m looking forward to the entirety of this conversation.
I am immediately grateful for this simple explanation of Faith in His Saving Grace, but more specifically for the clearing up of James 2:17. I have struggled in my own understanding of this verse for years, and till now, no one has been able to convey the verse’s meaning with clarity.
Although, immediately upon revisiting the verse, I can see the clarity is given within the context of James 2:14-16. I must say that the context of James 2:14 only helped me as I read it in the NLT version. As I have read it previously in NKJB, I was never able to work it out.
At any rate, I appreciate your work & encourage you to continue on with these conversations. Very productive & fruitful!
Many thanks!
🙏✝️☺️
So glad to hear!
How do I speak with you?
FINALLY! A caller who knows facts against these misguided teachings 👏🏻Great respectful conversation guys
I'm a protestant but the Eastern Orthodox has me convinced as them being the answer to all my issues with the modern church. I'm hoping to get to one but they are far and few between where i live
No
Did you know Orthodox believed no one are saved outside the church ......they thought they are gods only Jesus can saved us not the church
@@RaptureIsNEAR7634no u completely mis represented them
@@RaptureIsNEAR7634that is fundamentally not what we believe
@@deathbydank3206Orthodoxy does teach anyone outside of the church will not be saved and if you don't do the sacraments you won't.. if you actually read the Bible its clear orthodoxy was not Jesus intention at all but better that than not believing at all.
Debate Jay dyer
No, Jay Dyer is unable to maintain a conversation without any ad homs, a better EO apologist would be seraphim hamilton or craig truglia
@@regost5634
Name calling isn't an ad hom, failing to address the point and attacking the opponent is an ad hom.
@@eddardgreybeard That's kinda what he does many times. Many times he interrupts whoever he's debating against and just insults the other person and refuses to discuss the argument. There are plenty of other great EO apologists who are able to debate without swearing, insulting, ad homs, interrupting, etc...
@@regost5634
The insult is often a perfectly valid rebuttal, there is no plain insult without a perhaps harsh counterpoint.
I'm quite familiar with Jay dyer, the criticism against him is frequently tone policing, he doesn't ad hom.
He's very much on par with Andrew Wilson, though Andrew openly drinks, smokes, and swears during his debates
I looked so hard for the “ debate Jay bro! “ comment
What about the cherubim that were commanded to be carved out for the Ark? Later Joshua and other Israelites bowing down to the ark.
The Orthodox Church is evangelical, but not Protestant. It is orthodox, but not Jewish. It is catholic, but not Roman.
It isn't non-denominational - it is pre-denominational. It has believed, taught, preserved, defended and
died for the Faith of the Apostles since the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago.
The Orthodox Church is the original
church of Christ preserved as best as
possible.
Catholicism is a sect that
broke off and installed an infallible
human pope as a divine leader of their
"empire."
In Orthodoxy the only leader
of men is God. There is no intermediary.
The Church is merely a vessel to carry and keep the word of God alive
and teach it to those that want to hear,
and help along those in need.
The Papist (roman catholic) DO NOT want
you to know Church
HISTORY.
The protestant DO NOT
want you to know church
TRADITION.
But the Orthodox church
WANT you to know BOTH.
Orthodoxy is what Christ taught, the
apostles preached, and the fathers kept." - St.Athanasius the Great ☦️
So where do you go if your private interpretation clashed with another’s? Who is right and how do you know?
Pray to the Lord about it. Straight to the source!
@@christafarion9and if you both pray but still can't reconcile the differences? Also doesn't that still ultimately come down to personal conviction, resulting in relativism?
The person who argued about personal interpretation was Luther, and he couldn’t manage when the first guy interpreted something different than him. He believed like the Catholic Church that the bread and wine are the true body and blood of Christ. And Zwiling another revolutionary disagreed, he interpreted it was just a symbol
@@christafarion9that’s circular “praying to God gave me my interpretation” > how do you know your interpretation is correct compared to others who have prayed > “by praying to God I received the correct interpretation”
@@christafarion9who actually had the normative authority throughout history that provided the correct interpretation?
Thank you for the dialogue. But I do have a question, early on (3:05) you say that our works are to prove our faith to other peiple and not to God, if that is true then why did God say to Abraham "now I know"? If God already knew about Abraham's faith and loyalty to Him, then there was no need for the whole test and that spoken confirmation from God is meaningless. I am confused; can you help me understand?
I can try. I believe that faith needs "manifestation" for maturity. It might include words or actions. And salvation is not the only fruit of faith (correct me if I'm wrong), it also considers growing in hope and love, healing, etc. Each act of faith might require its own, separate action (manifestation). So, is there one particular we need in case of salvation? I believe yes. It's defined in Romans 10.9-10 - "9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved." The main issue with this is the order. You are not saved by good works and don't need to act a certain way to keep your salvation. If you are in Christ, works of faith will appear automatically. It's a fruit. How does a tree produce its fruits? Any efforts? No, it's just it's nature. BUT if you are not in Christ - there will be no fruits and finally God will cut you off. So, good works are important, but not as a condition for your salvation but as an indicator. And if you are failing there, you don't start doing good works! You start to examine your heart, repent and seek God's will
@@alexd7587Good works are not automatic. Most of the Bible is written to teach what good works are. Salvation is separate from service theology.
@@alexd7587 Thank you for trying, and I am not disagreeing with you. I actually do believe that faith in what Christ has done for us is more than enough for our salvation. We can't "bribe" our way into heaven with our "good" works because that would be self-righteousness. If you go back to my first question you will realize that you didn't answer it. If our "good" works is to show others our faith and NOT God, then why did God tell Abraham after he stopped him from sacrificing his son, 'Now I know'? It seems as though the works are for God as well. That is what I need help in understanding.
@@michaelelias7715 I think I did when I wrote about manifesting. Let me explain. It's not for people only imho, I would even say mostly it's for the spiritual world. God, angels, demons.. I don't think God doesn't need it. He does. Even though He knows our faith. He knows the future as well but we still have to live our history. And there are even dialogs between Him and the devil as we all know. Devil claims his rights to act like he does but our manifestations take us into the stream of God's plan
Does the scripture give us the list of books we should include in the Bible? response to 2nd Timothy3:17
This is a very reductionist view of christianity.
I love you brother praise the Lord. I would very much to pick your brain . Im a Protestant I go to calvary chapel Upland
Imagine my surprise, today, when I found out kissing the picture of my cat is sinful.
I’m, as the kids say, am shook.
(I’m kidding btw)
This is great information and a great discussion.
Well you actually highlight a big problem with his argument. He now had claimed all veneration of images is bad. This would logically mean by extension to venérate a living person is equally as sinful. Before anyone tries to make such a ridiculous claim such veneration is actually sinful
In genesis Joseph bows down to Phaorah to show respect. We see the nation of Israel prostrate in front of the Bones of Elijah (Elisha?) and several other examples. Thankfully he does not claim all images are had because then one could just point to the Bible as an “image” which would take a while to lay down the groundwork of the argument. Have a great day!
I cant speak for him, but in context, he was saying that the kissing in a worship like way is sinful. Kissing isnt bad,but kissing a thing after bowing down to it,praying to it, and what not, is sinful I think. What do you think?@@hopelessviolin4690
@@hopelessviolin4690 Logic and argument extensions are a slippery slope for any denomination..................
@@markb3786 Completely incorrect.
This guy is good but the only problem is that he seriously lacks theological and historical knowledge hence why he confirms to the fluid Protestantism.
One of one things Protestants can't get their heads around.
Is child baptism valid? If no then why does Luther which Protestantism is heavily based agrees so?
so by your defnition of salvation it is a gift that i don't need to work for, so i could be the most horrrible person on earth but i belive in god, then i will go to heaven either way?? I think you should open your mind and go to Orthodox church my brother ☦❤
@Need God... I agree with almost everything you've said. The one thing I question is 29:39 there not needing to be repentance (different than confession) to be saved. Because repentance is granted to us by God - it's not man's work (2 Tim 2:24-26) - and Jesus said, " “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.” Mark 1:15 It's not something we drum up, but something that God gives us (just like faith).
So, although asking for forgiveness doesn't save us, repentance is a new state of mind wrought by salvation that causes us to want to turn from our sins and is part of the transformation during salvation from being brought from death to life, and turned from a heart of stone to flesh.
I don't believe you can sin boldly and expect you're going to get saved regardless, because you "believe". I consider that sin against the Holy Spirit and against the God's grace.
Well if you can find scripture to back that up go ahead and try. Don’t use the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit scripture though because Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who weren’t saved to begin with therefore that’s totally different. Scripture tells me when God starts a work He is good and faithful to finish it. Also it tells me our sins are cast from us as far as the East is from the west. Peter boldly denied Christ after telling Him he wouldn’t. Thomas boldly said he wouldn’t believe unless he could touch the nail pierced hands. There are plenty of instances of people in the Bible boldly sinning and defying God and still shown grace.
@lilfridge69 because the repented.
Where it says you can do any sin and go to heaven?
Are you saying I can go and grape,kill etc and go to heaven?
Then what is this 1 corinthians 6:11
And Matthew 5:48
Amen! I completely agree. When he started talking about that 30 mins into the video, I was like...uhh absolutely not.
When Jesus died on the cross he did not say it's finished...now go off and sin and live like the devil. Osas-hyper grace is a new invention in Protestantism that promotes sin. Jesus says not everyone who says Lord..Lord will enter into the kingdom.
@@lilfridge69 English is not my first language but I will try to explain. By sinning boldly I meant sinning recklessly with the belief your sin is going to be forgiven regardless. Also I don't believe salvation is given for ever. To be truly saved you have to remain in the faith constantly. Also works are not something that can save us yet faith without works is fruitless, so it's not true faith. Only true faith can save us. Paste this into biblestudy or read in your bible. Cheers brother. Colossians 1:23; titus 1:15-16; mt 7:18; gal 5:13-25; jud 1:4; romans 6:1-2; romans 6:15-16; 1 john 1:3-6; john 8:34-35
The title of the video is Plainly Wrong
So when you were mentioning about worshiping God, there’s two types of worship. There’s kind of worship that’s temple worship that only belongs to God and that Jesus is currently doing in heaven, which he is the high priest that Hebrews speaks about.