The biggest nerf in Super Smash Bros.

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  • Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
  • Coney watches ‪@LeonMassey‬'s video, "Kirby - Top to Bottom Tier", and elaborates on the scene's shift between Super Smash Bros. for the Nintendo 64 and Super Smash Bros. Melee for the Gamecube.
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    • Kirby - Top to Bottom ...
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 115

  • @Breeze926
    @Breeze926 3 місяці тому +65

    Imagine dying and being skinned and amputated only to have Kirby's face drawn directly on your muscle with permanent marker.

  • @grunkleg.29691
    @grunkleg.29691 3 місяці тому +161

    I know everything in Smash has to have like the exact same physics in their base game for some reason, but would it _really_ hurt to give Kirby some more air speed?

    • @AdventureKnockout
      @AdventureKnockout 3 місяці тому +46

      I’ve heard a pretty good suggestion for this, being that Kirby has decent air speed on the first jump but slows down to his current speed for the ones after. This can make him function closer to his base games and improve his approach/retreating aerials

    • @Hack--rz1io
      @Hack--rz1io 3 місяці тому +6

      ​@@AdventureKnockout By first jump do you mean ground jump or first air jump ? (Maybe both?)

    • @JK23111
      @JK23111 3 місяці тому +4

      @@Hack--rz1io ground

    • @nspade9252
      @nspade9252 3 місяці тому +2

      They're really touch and go with that idea anyway, especially if you're a capcom character.

    • @Hack--rz1io
      @Hack--rz1io 3 місяці тому

      @@JK23111 then wouldn't you still have the same problem of having to commit hard to the direction you go since it doesn't affect acceleration? If you have some fast aerial that hits low (new f-air?) you could maybe double jump back and use that it could be interesting

  • @FalseHerald
    @FalseHerald 3 місяці тому +89

    Sakurai supposedly made smash because he felt bad about beating casuals in KoF. So yeah, you could say KoF inspired Smash.

    • @MrSkerpentine
      @MrSkerpentine 3 місяці тому +41

      specifically there was one instance where he bodied and unknowingly embarrassed a dude in front of his date

    • @goggles8691
      @goggles8691 3 місяці тому +17

      ​@@MrSkerpentinedidn't know Sakurai was built like that, hope he can return to his roots in retirement

    • @illford
      @illford 3 місяці тому +5

      It def was because short hopping is a KoF mechanic

    • @buff00n3ry
      @buff00n3ry 3 місяці тому +1

      @@MrSkerpentine Sakurai beat up the girl, not the dude

    • @nyoon690
      @nyoon690 22 дні тому

      Is that why he wants Smash to be casual 💀

  • @Xanek
    @Xanek 3 місяці тому +257

    Honestly sad to see Sakurai's baby turned from something unholy to just "eh" over the course of each game.

    • @toxic_shr00m
      @toxic_shr00m 3 місяці тому +5

      Don't worry he fixed that in Brawl before being told to tone it down and made all three Kirby characters garbage in 4 and Ultimate

    • @Evan-mt7bc
      @Evan-mt7bc 3 місяці тому +17

      @@toxic_shr00m Meta Knight is amazing in 4 and pretty great in Ult wachumeen?

    • @Bruh_ssb
      @Bruh_ssb 3 місяці тому +12

      ​@@toxic_shr00mult Kirby is not bad, definitely a solid mid tier

    • @johnmarkson1990
      @johnmarkson1990 3 місяці тому +3

      dont japanese players regulalry win with kirby in ult?

    • @lylelylecrocodile2538
      @lylelylecrocodile2538 3 місяці тому

      @@toxic_shr00m me as a meta knight main in ultimate

  • @Andyxws
    @Andyxws 3 місяці тому +27

    Sakurai made him trash so people won't think he has favorites, but then he forgot to come back home for Kirby, F

    • @tvoltage
      @tvoltage 3 місяці тому +3

      There is no way sakurai cares about people thinking he plays favorites or not, just look at kid icarus

    • @Andyxws
      @Andyxws 3 місяці тому

      @@tvoltage maybe he did in the past and then forgor, who knows really lol

  • @buff00n3ry
    @buff00n3ry 3 місяці тому +39

    Throw Techs became a thing in later SF2 versions cuz people who thought throws were cheap / busted (tbf, they were) complained so much to warranted a change during an era where you had to snail mail your complaints to a company

    • @Dr.DeeJay
      @Dr.DeeJay 3 місяці тому +6

      And even then iirc they didn't actually "tech" the throw, just reduced the damage.
      Growing pains.

    • @sonicphoenix7
      @sonicphoenix7 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Dr.DeeJayand if you tech a throw but the unteched throw wouldve killed you youd die anyway

  • @MasterAbeer101
    @MasterAbeer101 3 місяці тому +82

    2:05 The aMSa carry is crazy

  • @yumlo7535
    @yumlo7535 3 місяці тому +9

    Can we please put this in a "Melee Kirby" playlist alongside Coney's reaction to AsumSaus' Kirby video?

  • @casualcrusader1547
    @casualcrusader1547 3 місяці тому +35

    1:43 the diss was diabolical 💀

    • @Papabandana
      @Papabandana 3 місяці тому +3

      As someone who was a DAY 1 SU fan…yeah…

    • @squiddyte4552
      @squiddyte4552 3 місяці тому +1

      steven catching strays

    • @Cadoe
      @Cadoe 3 місяці тому +3

      For all his takes, at least he's right about this one

  • @Chaos007X
    @Chaos007X 3 місяці тому +15

    biggest nerf? shutting down Project M, free

    • @Oh-Ben
      @Oh-Ben 3 місяці тому +1

      You still believe that?

    • @illford
      @illford 3 місяці тому +2

      ​@Oh-Ben I mean they didn't do it directly but they did tell people to stop showing the game at all even on twitch. PM used to be a category and they removed it. I think the team shut down due to the potential of it being shuttered

    • @Oh-Ben
      @Oh-Ben 3 місяці тому

      @@illford Its been pretty much confirmed to be internal at this point. It would have gotten a C&D at some point but Smash 4 wasnt even close to being announced at this point. Someone on the team didn't want PM ruining their career and there was alot of pettiness internally.

    • @Chaos007X
      @Chaos007X 3 місяці тому +2

      @@illford The Big N hyper-supressed it Likely didn't want people's taste in Smash influenced any further. I mean, they already actively hate Melee's scene.

  • @grittytenacious6004
    @grittytenacious6004 3 місяці тому +50

    Great movie, terrible director. Coney is a great producer

    • @AH-uz3fx
      @AH-uz3fx 3 місяці тому +1

      what did leonn do

  • @QueuedUp_
    @QueuedUp_ 3 місяці тому +30

    There is nothing worse than showing up on Smash 64 day at Smashcon and having to listen to DreamLand through the whole venue THE ENTIRE DAY

    • @ThePi314Man
      @ThePi314Man 3 місяці тому

      64 tourneys were better when Hyrule Castle was still legal

  • @evilded2
    @evilded2 3 місяці тому +3

    So many of smash's mechanics are directly ripped from kof, especially in 64.

  • @datgoatjack
    @datgoatjack 3 місяці тому +20

    Steven Universe is about rock lesbians from space

  • @MISTERSLAPYEAH
    @MISTERSLAPYEAH 3 місяці тому +4

    3:43 as someone that works at a coop this is just how they come idk what to tell you man

  • @Zz-_-
    @Zz-_- 3 місяці тому +5

    2:00 the yoshi bit tho😂

  • @hidalgopika
    @hidalgopika 3 місяці тому +2

    5:35 i remember u saying why would anyone pick puff in smash and now ur saying this ?😂 unless u meant melee puff specifically

  • @waffles6527
    @waffles6527 2 місяці тому +1

    I know this barely has anything to do with this video but learning that stronger than you is from Steven universe and not an original undertale fan song has ruined my life

  • @masterofdoom5000
    @masterofdoom5000 3 місяці тому +2

    Mans gonna react to Brawlternatives entire videography

  • @the_exxtra1425
    @the_exxtra1425 3 місяці тому +1

    I like smash 64 competitively since a game you can actually lab. If you try to lab combos in any other game, everything is fake. You do a combo in training mode in 64, that shit is real 99% of the time.
    Mainly since the only other way to learn is just to fight people for 100000 hours in a smash game, as you do.

  • @MiQuentin
    @MiQuentin 3 місяці тому +4

    Hbox paycheck 5:29

  • @llliwwille
    @llliwwille 3 місяці тому +23

    Y’all don’t understand. Early Steven universe was peak

    • @Papabandana
      @Papabandana 3 місяці тому +5

      The consistent hiatuses really dragged it to hell

    • @spaceace9103
      @spaceace9103 3 місяці тому +2

      Dont like the ending but I still love Steven Universe.
      People that say skip season 1 are wilding

    • @JamesP7
      @JamesP7 3 місяці тому +4

      FootOfAFerret made an analysis recently of the show, and I pretty much agree. The hate for the show is quite overblown, with “Fandom Bias” as he calls it the largest contributor.

    • @illford
      @illford 3 місяці тому

      ​@@JamesP7ngl I just got bored of it, I didn't make sense to watch it over Adventure Time or Gumball. Gumball was funnier and I liked Adventure Time's story more

    • @JamesP7
      @JamesP7 3 місяці тому +1

      @@illford Understandable. I found everything before the S1 midpoint boring. I agree with you about Gumball and Adventure Time.

  • @bulb9970
    @bulb9970 3 місяці тому +3

    10:06 Is there a guide for editing like this?

  • @Liftinn
    @Liftinn 3 місяці тому +3

    Kirby slander in my game? Preposterous!

  • @exetone
    @exetone 3 місяці тому +5

    Hop off Stronger Than You 🐺🐺🐺

  • @word_of_anubis
    @word_of_anubis 3 місяці тому +3

    I can't take this Kirby slander actually

  • @ThePi314Man
    @ThePi314Man 3 місяці тому

    Kill throw wouldn't fix Kirby, but would easily carry him out of bottom 5. Up throw should've always been a kill move tbh

  • @Zx30
    @Zx30 3 місяці тому +2

    Another video from the OL Conester.

  • @cuplaser
    @cuplaser Місяць тому

    How about rather than a kill throw just start with a functional throw?

  • @jody1159
    @jody1159 3 місяці тому +3

    I love Coney movies

  • @paperpauperplayer
    @paperpauperplayer 2 місяці тому

    10:48 - Basically Trumps reaction

  • @doodlekid9864
    @doodlekid9864 2 місяці тому

    10:50 was some crazy foreshadowing

  • @Lysvsyl
    @Lysvsyl 3 місяці тому +3

    This feels like AsumSaus without any of the charisma.

  • @stephendonovan9084
    @stephendonovan9084 3 місяці тому +19

    Alright Coney I know you don’t know me and I don’t know you but I’ve gotta let you know: I know where you’re coming from with watching Stronger Than You on its own being weird, the same thing happened to me when it was a big thing and I didn’t know about the show, but you’ve gotta understand that’s one big event like 50 episodes into the show, it’s paying off on an emotional attachment you don’t have and a reveal you don’t have the context for. It blew up because it’s actually hype as hell in the actual show, but it’s the kind of good moment that comes about due to being the culmination of its own mini-arc of the show, not something that is just great on its own, so the cringe factor of it is coming from seeing it in isolation.
    Mileage may vary of course but in my opinion it’s actually a good-ass show, the whole deal with it is that the whole show is following Steven’s perspective, there’s no B-plots or anything like that, but that means you never have more information than Steven himself does, which leads to a really interesting vibe for learning about the world of the show. It’s also an interesting case of a show with a fairly relaxed pace allowing for a lot of character interaction that’s also widely considered as not really having filler, with every episode contributing something significant either to some plot line, general understanding of the world, or a character dynamic central to the show. (I would say there are two episodes that break this rule, but they make up for it by just generally being fun)
    Again, I’m some internet rando and nobody cares what I have to say, but it’s a very emotional show for me and people I care about so I’ve gotta vouch for it a little. Judging the show based on “the big moments” isn’t really fair here

    • @JamesP7
      @JamesP7 3 місяці тому +2

      Facts. Have you watched FootOfAFerret’s receny SU vid?

    • @timothyc5274
      @timothyc5274 3 місяці тому +2

      I gotta rewatch the show.

  • @elitecombine5373
    @elitecombine5373 3 місяці тому

    I still think the character that got the biggest nerf was Brawl Dedede. He was bottom tier ever since then. They went out of their way to make him bad.

  • @ergusson2260
    @ergusson2260 3 місяці тому

    like nascar, 64 is only fun to watch, if you're watching the highlights

  • @ash4488-v9g
    @ash4488-v9g 3 місяці тому

    Why did this thumbnail change to one thing, now back to this lol

  • @SonicTheCutehog
    @SonicTheCutehog 3 місяці тому +2

    The fact that Kirby got nerfed harder than Meta Knight or Bayonetta

  • @contextsensitive8484
    @contextsensitive8484 3 місяці тому +4

    Coney not being able to handle musical theater is so predictable. He will not survive the winter

  • @MBYui
    @MBYui 3 місяці тому +2

    W British people

  • @GalaxianSR
    @GalaxianSR 3 місяці тому

    Captain Pretzel made a video showcasing Kirby's optimized stuff, a lot of it may surprise yall, just sayin lol
    It's called "How to punish", for anyone curious. His Kirby is really clean, easily the best Kirby player

    • @illford
      @illford 3 місяці тому

      I mean hes still not good, I've seen pretzel he's very good but I don't even think he would say he's good. He's fundamentally flawed but still has actual moves

    • @GalaxianSR
      @GalaxianSR 3 місяці тому

      @@illford Oh I didn't say he was good haha, just that he's definitely not super shitty in the combo department and has some deeper stuff, surprisingly

  • @BandanaD3ssb
    @BandanaD3ssb 3 місяці тому +2

    Melee Kirby was bad so the rest of the game could be good

  • @LuSiDious
    @LuSiDious 3 місяці тому

    Eww, every frame by hand?

  • @nathanpickard2294
    @nathanpickard2294 3 місяці тому

    Coney coming out the lab with some heat.

  • @1Henrink
    @1Henrink 3 місяці тому +3

    Smash 64 hit sound it's still my favorite

    • @Neogeddon
      @Neogeddon 3 місяці тому +1

      All of the sounds in 64 are so chunky. I can hear the sound of me beaning someone with the beam sword from across the stage in my head. Very satisfying lol

    • @1Henrink
      @1Henrink 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Neogeddon YES! Also I loved the profile picture! It's so cute!

  • @TramiNguyen-oi3kp
    @TramiNguyen-oi3kp 3 місяці тому

    My boy Kirby is here!

  • @alvynryansonzhuo2663
    @alvynryansonzhuo2663 3 місяці тому

    :(

  • @Crackey75
    @Crackey75 3 місяці тому

    kuhhbee being nuhhphed

  • @txbrxhxm
    @txbrxhxm 3 місяці тому

    Hello cone

  • @pokeapolo
    @pokeapolo 3 місяці тому +6

    Kirby 😢🫡🤐🫢😂🤣😎😴🤢😕😟🥸🥵

  • @AnityEx
    @AnityEx 3 місяці тому +3

    Steven universe is a good show

  • @Point5_
    @Point5_ 3 місяці тому +3

    Leon Massey, my beloved

  • @sonarchy5158
    @sonarchy5158 3 місяці тому +1

    Coney really said :-/

  • @ehhorve857
    @ehhorve857 3 місяці тому

    12:20 pollock is a paint-... well, a paint slopper would be more apt. he dipped a brush in a bucket, and flicked the paint drizzle across a whiteboard on the floor. very messy.

  • @goggles8691
    @goggles8691 3 місяці тому

    Hi Coney! I'm still good (not british), but to explain the politics joke: I've heard that Rishi Sunak is a hindutva bastard. Also, Steven Universe is a musical about love winning, and watching any climatic scene without context is pretty lame even without it being a contextual musical number.
    Hope this helps!

  • @the_exxtra1425
    @the_exxtra1425 3 місяці тому

    Coney needs to start watching HONEST CONTENT's videos a lot more. I'm sure he's watched some of the vids, but I love their shit

  • @thomasvaldez2073
    @thomasvaldez2073 3 місяці тому

    3rd

  • @lesliecraig7467
    @lesliecraig7467 3 місяці тому

    If I had a nickel for every Coney reacted to a Kirby being bad video, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happenned twice

  • @yankees2864
    @yankees2864 3 місяці тому

    R23 is a top sheik player in England

  • @BLazeWigglytuff
    @BLazeWigglytuff 3 місяці тому

    Coneys voice is so soothing 🤗

  • @richardwheeler5881
    @richardwheeler5881 3 місяці тому

    oooooo dont mind if I do

  • @mortaljason
    @mortaljason 3 місяці тому +2

    Stephen Universe really is embarassing

  • @ena_ssbu
    @ena_ssbu 3 місяці тому +1

    first =)

    • @bulb9970
      @bulb9970 3 місяці тому +3

      40%

    • @jailborb
      @jailborb 3 місяці тому +3

      @@bulb9970 trans rights

    • @JamesP7
      @JamesP7 3 місяці тому +2

      @@bulb9970*41%

    • @kitsune6363
      @kitsune6363 3 місяці тому

      ​@@bulb9970It's so ironic they don't realize it's literally a eugenics cult, but oh well natural selection will eventually heal things