Buffy the Vampire Slayer 2x19 'I Only Have Eyes for You' Reaction!!
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- The spirit of two lost lovers haunts Sunnydale with an unexpected twist on who it possess... What a fun episode!
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0:00 Intro
2:23 Reaction
19:05 Discussion - Фільми й анімація
Hi friends! For these next 2 episodes Joe was away on a business trip for his other job but he also has some memories of this show so he said to go ahead, BUT TO WAIT FOR THE LAST TWO! So , sorry again it's just the 2 of us but the summer is convention time for Joe's job!
Also note, Mike's microphone was messed up for the next two sadly, when moving the setup someone hit a button. Since then, sound testing has been done to correct this further! Sorry friends!
The 2 episodes of The Boys that released along with this show the updated quality + our updated background
-Mikey
Welcome back Mike, glad you're feeling better.
Joe......Priorities dude! Work or give us our full crew for Buffy? That should be an easy one. Make better choices. 😁
Is it possible that Mike and Joe have been merged and we only get one or the other from now on?
I was on set for part of this. My friends and I were standing in The Bronze when Buffy shouted, "Don't walk away from me bitch!" It was bizarre out of context. We got to meet the janitor, John Hawkes, who later got an Oscar nomination for Winter's Bone.
I don't think Snyder knows what a Slayer even is.
Buffy is obviously mad at James and blames him for his Ms. Newmans d£ath because she (Buffy) feels like she k*lled her boyfriend. In a way she did. Buffy slept with Angel (“A moment of blind passion”), which killed him. Angel is gone, and now Angelous is here. Buffy is blaming herself for what happened and feels like she doesn’t deserve forgiveness.
I love this episode so much. I didn’t understand it when I was a kid but when I got older, “C-L-I-C-K”.
Ps **the janitor and the teacher didn’t really know each other. The writers gave us that information when they had the teacher ask the janitor “George. It is George right?”.
LOL at Giles, he sounded almost hopeful when he said "Loch Ness Monster?".
This is such an epic episode! One of my faves for the entire show. The spike reveal at the end just gets you so pumped! Buffy also is struggling with forgiving herself for “turning” Angel and Jenny getting killed.
A very clever plot with an excellent twist. SMG and Boreanz dial it to 11, and that heart wrecking kiss just destroyed Buffy.
Then Dru's "We'll find you a nice toddler..." Criminy. You KNOW she wasn't kidding.
Angelus is just loathsome.
And she found two!
The story was centered around the idea that victimhood IS paralysis (for 50's boy, for Buffy, for Giles, AND especially for Spike) - moving beyond impotent anger is the solution, whether it's through determination, acceptance, or forgiveness.
Here's my tinfoil hat theory
The teachers ghost is the one causing all the scary events to try to get everyone out of the school so that no one gets hurt. She knows how the scene plays out and can't stop it from happening that way but she can try to stop the scene from starting.
She finally gets everyone out and locks it down with the wasps, but the student has found a soul that already needs the same kind of forgiveness he does in Buffy. That allows him to call her back.
I miss the comfy couch and pictures on the wall set up already.
The pictures come back after next episode!
@@732ReviewCrewI think you need a comfy couch for Buffy. A conference table is probably fine for Supernatural since that one seems done by committee. (Charmed is worse.). Another comfy couch show is Xena!
This one is a personal favourite. Such a deep, layered episode, and with added shades of Poltergeist (the movie), too.
I was in middle school in the 80s and spent about half my day in the computer lab because the teacher kept sending for me to help with the class.
I always figured, based on the conversations we've seen like this one with the chief of police, that the city government is aware of the supernatural problem Sunnydale has, but they can't do much about it, so they are just focused on covering up the supernatural. So they are looking for other reasons stuff happens - like "a pack of wild dogs got into Flutie's office and ate him" - to keep the general public from catching on and raising a fuss.
So when Snyder was hired as the new principal, I think he was filled in on the Hellmouth being under the school, and instructed to blame any disturbances on troublemakers rather than let the truth be known. Buffy has a record as a troublemaker, so whether or not he knows shes the Slayer, she makes a good target. Remember in School Hard when he put the blame on "a gang on PCP"? He couldn't really blame Buffy directly, because too many people saw her helping fix the problem, but he certainly didn't give her sny credit either.
And the chief of police using the Mayor as a threat? Sounds like the Mayor knows and is at the top of the "keep everything quiet" pyramid.
I would guess that the mayor picked Snyder to be the new principal because they needed someone who will help cover up the truth. Though he might not actually know what a slayer is. Snyder is just a flunkie.
@@gungho1284 definitely a flunky. 🙂
...and there it is; the moment we start to root for Spike.
It's so nice to have an episode Giles where Giles is not knocked out once in a while
Buddy absolutely identified with the idea of “killing” her love. Although Angelus is there, the Angel she loved died, in her mind, because of her choices. Her anger towards James is just pure self loathing.
This is a good episode. It finally allows Buffy to forgive herself, after hearing it from Angel's lips (even if it wasn't really him). She definitely needed that.
I love that the ghosts used Dru as a messenger to get Angel to go to the school.
The one thing I don't agree with is the idea that Angel is "stealing" Dru from Spike. She seems to be enjoying having them both around. Sure, Angel is using that to make Spike angry, but that's just good fun XD
Dru was behind everything that happened this season. She wanted the blue demon Judge put back together, she was the one who told Angel that Jenny was working on restoring the curse. It's like she's the real "Big Bad" of season 2. So what's next?
Great shirt Mike! I don't think the janitor was dating the teacher. When they were alone, he called her Miss Frank and his face did not show any affection for her. I also think the 1955 teacher still loved James. She was breaking up with him because she knew what they were doing was wrong.
not to mention that miss frank wasn't even sure about the janitor's name
The janitor and the teacher were picked because they were the only people around.
It was cathartic for Buffy that it was her and Angel, but they were also the only two people around at that time.
It would have happened even if it was Snyder and Cordelia.
It would have happened even if it was Oz and Giles.
Glad you're feeling better, Mike!
7:21 Cheffs Kiss!
10:36 Considering the voices on Instagram and similar apps of today, Cordelia might have been on to something here!
It was definitely all puzzling about Snyder when first watching these. Eventually eventually....
Every little statement made or interactions or events everyone goes through slow build and have effects in the long run.
Regarding the teacher and janitor...I guess it's possible he had a secret crush on her, but they definitely weren't having an affair. It's made clear in dialogue that she barely knows his name.
Though there is some connection between the possession and the relationships the host bodies had: if you rewatch all three versions of the argument scene, the one between the teacher and janitor who barely know each other is a lot more low-key than the other two, like maybe the ghosts were constrained by the fact that their host bodies only being very distant work acquaintances. The possessed couples really swing for the fences by comparison.
The possessions seemed more a matter of proximity and isolation to me.
A boy and a girl physically near each other and far enough from others that the scene could play out. They kept getting interrupted though, so the ghosts kept trying until they found a couple that could complete it.
@@PromptCriticalJello I agree, I think it's mostly a matter of convenience. I just mean that the relationship of the possessed hosts does seem to be reflected in how the argument scene is performed.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but they are, in ascending order of drama:
Two middle aged people who work in the same building and occasionally say hi or exchange pleasantries, but that's it,
A regular teenage couple,
Forbidden lovers turned mortal enemies Buffy and Angel.
The performances kind of mirror the level of inherent drama one would expect from the people involved.
I like your new surroundings. Solid review to an episode that some of us think is one of the most important in the series. There are so many moving parts and major plot elements that the emotional growth and challenges to Buffy and her character arc is overlooked. There are many consistent stories but one of the main is the journey of Buffy becoming a strong,independent, morally responsible, loving , and passionate woman. The arc of understanding and acceptance of the freedom of choice, the difference between vengeance and justice, the power of forgiveness, unconditional love, and the embrace of moral choice over selfish gain… the basic values of Western Civilization… that started in Lie To Me are laid bare to Buffy. Buffy can not comprehend or understand the power of forgiveness and that the need is overwhelming. In this episode Buffy has become a killer. A person that killed his love and is overcome with shame, fear, grief, and a profound sadness. This act of violence against another person is incomprehensible to Buffy. She feels the need for forgiveness that is not earned but granted. It is the power of forgiveness that can not be achieved by actions but by the wronged person granting out of compassion…. Love for another person without personal gain but from the purity of love for another with no other purpose. The concept of compassion, love for another without gain, and forgiveness of evil against oneself is a philosophy that has been the basis of individual versus the collective in Western society. The idea of forgiveness of the allegedly unforgivable is a lesson and idea rarely understood or embraced. The rejection of this individual power was manifest by the Gypsy curse. An entire family was overcome with the evil of the selfish desire to inflict pain that was their ultimate destruction. Jenny, her uncle, 100 years of family , and Angel again all were consumed. Buffy being an “ evil” person, a killer, is beyond her comprehension until she becomes the killer of her affection. Only when she needs the power of compassionate forgiveness can she learn that the first step in understanding love is to not hate yourself . There are many layers to this episode and the debate is ongoing. Keep this episode and its lessons in mind while you watch the growth and maturity process within Buffy. Not Willow, Xander, Cordelia, or Joyce can or will be able to be the wronged or the assailant… but Buffy has and it will serve her when she has the difficult decisions a woman and a Slayer must make.
Yay! Mike's back! So glad to hear a little of your reaction to Passion. Joe, hope you have safe travels!
I love this episode. I like the symbolism of the 1950's teacher and student matching Angel and Buffy and how Buffy feels guilt because deep down she thinks she needs to be punished for "causing" Angel to become Angelus -- we know it's not her fault, but she's clearly been struggling with it and the spirit of the student brought it all to the surface. Or as Cordelia put it, "Over-identify much?" Lol.
I also really like the gender switch in the big moment between Buffy and Angel. We assume it's going to be Buffy = female teacher and Angel = male student, but having it be reversed matched the situation much better and made the struggle between them super interesting. Plus, it gave both actors something interesting and out of their usual realm to portray, with Buffy being the angry spirit and Angel being the softer more compassionate one. (And Angel turning back to Angelus and needing a shower and a 'kill' before sunrise is disturbing yet kind of funny.)
Also... can't wait for Spike to reveal his big "I can walk again" surprise to Angelus and Dru! 😄
Buffy was actually feeling a tremendous amount of guilt. Bot just for her own self, but because in a way she killed Angel. She took away his soul, or at least it was because of her. Which is true, and now there's this monster running around. That is not, you know, him, and it's her fault, in a way.
So that's what this was about.
Buffy was talkiing about herself when she talks about James. She feels immense guilt over Angel turning and the death of Jenny.although there is no way she could've known this would happen nor is it her fault as Giles expertly tells her at the end of the episode Innocense.
yea PCs were not introduced in schools here in fl till , mid 90s, we learned them so fast the old people not so much haha
I like how Giles is stuck on it being Jenny's ghost for awhile.
If it's Jenny's ghost then he can do something to help her. He feels like he failed to save her, but now he might be able to help her spirit move on.
The creator of the series watched the daily's of David Boreanaz acting as Angelus being possessed with the teacher Ms. Newman and realized he could carry his own show.
I always felt Willow sent the guy after Buffy at the beginning of the episode. She doesn't seem to really understand and/or respect Buffy's emotional state about the situation even if she didn't, though.
Sadly, the teacher and the student is equivelant to the toxicity of Buffy/Angel in terms of age difference effecting the relationship, whether you look at Angel's vampire years or the fact that he cannot pass for a high school student when Buffy is a high school student.
This episode's theme shows Buffy shedding her guilt of how Angel became Angelus. She still seems to be in denial about the similarities between the Bangel and the ghost's relationship, though, in large part because of the difference between Angel and Angelus, and in part because Ms. Newman used Angelus while James used her to reunite.
Really love this episode and reaction/discussion. Great to have Mike back. The more I watch it, the more I love it. Love its theme of forgiveness and how it all leads up to the Buffy/Angel scene at the end, crossing cutting them with the student/teacher. The Spike moment at the very end is also an exciting moment. Lastly, the episode is noteworthy for its brief info dump on the Sunnydale municipal government.
This new location is a lot more echo-y 😉😂
It's been improved after the next episode!
Great episode. I love when a TV show remembers the character they killed.
I'm thinking perhaps Giles was not completely out of his gourd when he thought Jenny spirit was still trapped in the school. Who do you think made the yearbook fall in the principal's office when Buffy was there?
It could be the teacher wanting BUffy's help to break the cycle and finally tell James how she really felt, or it coud be Jenny wanting to help.
student smashing teachers even back then, and yea, the teacher were married with someone else, today it seem like a new female teacher is arrested every week
IT wasn't till this episode review that it hit me. The biggest fear of the characters. Cordilia with her face, but Willow. He biggest fear is doing witch craft and going to hell. What else can it be that was dragging her down to? Demon hands, down there, pulling down?
Awesome episode, awesome reaction - thanks guys. Looking forward to seeing your new digs looking a little less minimalist next time! :)
As a tip, getting some more cushioning in the room will help so the sound doesn't feel so echoy.
Might even help find a better level for the noise gate. But I'm sure you're on top of that already
nice setup otherwise! read the posters come back next video too, thank you. I like that the collection is posters of the shows you've reacted to!
We've done that! It should be much improved for the future
New setup looks cool... though I would suggest getting a ring light for your faces. Everything looks a lot darker, and they're pretty cheap. You can get one for under 20 on Amazon and itll arrive in a day.
I don't think Snyder knows Buffy is a or the slayer. I think he sees her asca troublemaker and meddler who makes his job of containing the hellmouth even harder.
One of the best episodes!
I always thought I Only Have Eyes For You was a great stand alone episode, where the tragic love affair between the teacher and student from the 1950's is repeated down through the years by anyone who is influenced by it in the school now. Great writing here in a very atmospheric episode, in which we also have the Angelus/Drusilla/Spike triangle in the background. Interesting that Buffy has no empathy for the student in the incident, even though he is the young innocent, and the female teacher is the adult, of course she is using her own experience of being hurt and reflecting this in her attitude. Another interesting thing about this episode is we hear Snyder and Police Officer mention 'The Mayor' for the first time. Great scene at the end when Spike is now able to walk and is plotting his revenge. This is very much in the style of X-Files type episode.
1:31 Angel and Angelus are not exactly different people, IMNSHO. I think it's more like insanity. And, unless I'm mistaken, insane people might be held accountable, depending on the kind of insanity.
2:52 Not sure you realized what just happened. A guy asked a girl out. She said no. He accepted it and walked away. Wow. I mean, it happens all the time, but it's so rare you get to see it on TV.
5:35 You do remember, Snyder asked Willow to fill in until they find a new substitute teacher, right?
16:57 The actor who played James thought “OK, SMG will do the part first, obviously, so, all I have to do is to repeat after her”. Nope. They made him do it first, and SMG repeated after him.
18:26 I think they've said explicitly, the janitor and the teacher weren't in a relationship. The boy and the girl in the beginning were, but that's likely a coincidence. The important part is that two people were in the right place, I think.
25:26 Why would Snyder know Buffy is the Slayer? Why would he even know there is such a thing as a Slayer?
26:05 Assuming there is such an organization, why do you think their goals would align with Buffy's? Because secret government organizations always work towards the greater good?
Nice reactions, but some sound issues, probably because of the new setup. The video sound seemed lower than usual and you guys commentary was fading sometimes, especially Mike. Not sure if it's because of you moving around in the chair.
New sound setup wasn't 100% ready apparently but we've done some more with it improving each time, sound proofing it, hopefully, last night. I just did about an hour of testing too for sound so the last 2 of the season will be good
Hopefully the volume of the show can be mixed in louder again in post relative to your mics like it was prior these last three episodes since it is either strain to barely hear the show or hear the show but then get deafened when’re you guys talk.
Got it!
It’s funny to me that the twist of Angel being able to fix the issue only comes as a surprise because of the audience’s gender expectations. Everyone just assumes a female ghost would only possess a female victim. If not for that expectation, it would be kind of obvious what the solution is. Buffy does a lot of subversions this way, and it makes for such interesting tv.
Also, this episode really changed my read of the episode innocence when Buffy and Angel first make love. When they’re right about to, he hesitates, and pulls back, and suggests they shouldn’t. Buffy cuts him off, going so far as to press his lips closed so he can’t finish protesting, and tells him to kiss her. Obviously he could say no again if he wanted to, but that one moment of Angel second-guessing the decision is clever writing that pays off here, because it sets up Buffy’s guilt.
Obviously, she couldn’t have known what would happen, but when bad things happen, we have a tendency to find little moments where we think we somehow should’ve anticipated it and made a better choice. You can tell she’s been fixating on what would’ve happened if she’d just listened to him when he tried to talk through the consequences.
that's it, it;s confirmed. Mikey is a yuan-ti. >_
"Giles wouldn't get shot, we've already lost Calendar!"
Oh, you sweet summer child...
When would they learn, right?
wb Mike!
This episode is great. I love that they didn't forget Jenny the moment she died as tv shows tend to do.
But the part that got my attention the most (on rewatch at least) is Snyder knowing about the hell mouth.
I like the theory of him working with the secret agency the took Marcie (the invisible girl) away. But I'm pretty sure the guy he is talking to is more of a policeman than an agent. Which makes the Mayor the next big player since a government agency (even a municipal government agency) that is trying to contain a Hell mouth and study the people that are changed by it would LOVE to vivisect a Slayer if they get their hands on one. Or Snyder and the Mayor could find a way to contain or kill Angelus without the help of Buffy. To spare her or to undermine her? Both are plausible at this point in series, in my opinion.
So, here's a hint about Snydr, Joss Whedon manned the helm for the creation of the MCU. Maybe Snyder thinks Buffy isn't good enough as she is and wants to push her to be better in his own way. Maybe in the next season or two he'll be inviting her to a government initiative to stop demons from taking over the world, or just causing chaos. Or, maybe I just made this all up just now.
At any rate, thanks for the reaction, hope you have a great day
Never was a fan of this one, but its worth slogging through to get to the final scene with Spike.