First Time Watching Battlestar Galactica - Act of Contrition (S1E4)
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The Target Audience are watching Battlestar Galactica for the first time! Today we watch season 1 episode 4 - Act of Contrition
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I hope people continue watching your Galactica reactions. I'm hoping you make it through every episode.
Katee Sackhoff tells the story where that scene was when Edward James Olmos taught her how to act in 30 seconds. He said she was faking it and she needed to sit and think about what’s going on with this character instead of being Katee. When she breaks down at the end of the scene, that’s actually her having a genuine reaction because she’s put herself into that character.
After that scene he said, “Now, you can go back to being Katee, because now, you know how to do it.'”
I love the intensity in the scene with Kara and Adama, both play their parts incredibly.
I wonder if the excessive use of those Starbuck crashing flash-forwards had anything to do with commercial breaks. Maybe the director or whoever wanted viewers to come back from the commercial break onto the tension/reminder, or it was some attempt at viewer retention. But I think it probably would have been more effective just doing it once right in the beginning and then letting us forget about it until it actually happened. Loving your reactions!
i think that is it. i think they wanted to stick the ratings, especially on a two parter
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I'll clarify the reasonable doubt: They had many of the pilots of Galactica's contingent from before the attack on the colonies. But the incident at the beginning of the episode now forced them to take new recruits from the civilian fleet that must be trained from zero. Starbuck is the reasonable choice as before getting on Galactica pilot training was her job.
If Doctor McCoy smoked 4 packs a day and was twice as grumpy, he'd be Doc Coddle (an ironic surname for a character if ever there was one).
Lorne Greene was an old school pioneer of the craft.
The character stories and their interplay become so prominent that I remember sometimes forgetting this show was sci fi.
I think what the flashforward does is cast a sense of dread. Because of it, there's a feeling of impending doom throughout the episode. Like a "when's the other shoe gonna drop?" thing.
There are a lot of bad scenes where a miscommunication goes horribly wrong, but the Apollo-Adama scene was a very well done, and believable, slow-motion trainwreck.
As I read somewhere else, Starbuck may be god to the nuggets, but Adama was God in their scene.
The "random" multi parters of the 1978 BSG is because it wasn't intended to be a weekly show, it was planned to be a series of tv movies.
There are six multi parters, comprising over half the episodes of the season for this reason.
This is also why some of the one off episodes had bizarro western plots.
It was a late change and harmed the whole concept. It might have run a few more seasons if they hadn't done this.
Lorne Greene had gravitas. I watched reruns of Bonanza for ages so he was to me the ultimate sage patriarch. That carried over into BSG. But, I think Edward James Olmos is excellent in the new BSG. I can't think of anyone else who could have been a better actor for that role.
I feel like the end and the next episode is a call back to the the final and only good episode of BSG 1980 - The Return of Starbuck.
Season 1 still slow burning. Cant wait til you guys get to the meat on the bone.
"Give me your eyes." 😭❤️
Also, Doc Cottle is the GOAT
wooooooooooo Battlestar!, its a hell of a ride
While watching the show i often have to remind myself that the battlestar Galactica and its fighters were all retired decommissioned ships... they were basically a museum piece like some ships in some of California's harbors, so almost the whole fleet is 20 to 30 years old, used up, beaten, broken down, some with older outdated tech that had to be overhauled. other than a few ships that have been lucky enough to survive all the battles... so thats why their stuff is always crappy, breaking down, and so many accidents. Their basically on their last leg without fresh ressuplies.
I look at it like the federation and crew from TNG losing the war with the klingons and being forced to fight the war with constellation class starships out of mothballs from scrap yards and museum s.... it wouldnt end well and no victory in sight without the best crew and the best strategies.
Next episode: Starbuck and Cylon alone on empty planet. Sounds familiar :)
Yes, like from cutted original series episode that was recuted for G1980 and its only good episode. But offcourse really different take to this in new series.
This was THE Definitive Space Opera. The Expanse upped it. I can't wait until something better comes around.
I guess you might like Stargate Universe, i hated it, wasn't true to Stargate, but some people called it BSG, and i agreed with the comparison.
This series had a lot of studio interference, the flashbacks and the previews in the beginning of the show are examples of it!
Hot Dog is played by Edward James Olmos son, Bodie.
The flash forward structure of this episode is definitely an artifact of trendy TV at the time. I think it only shows up once or twice in the whole series, mercifully.
Not limited to that time, as I still see it. It's been done to the point where I truly despise it.
I've gotten rather tired of flashbacks myself.
Especially sliced and diced like this.
I can't really see the point of the Caprica flashbacks. It gets us off the ships I guess but we already knew all this didn't we?
Ron Moore has said that the studio execs kept pestering him about how grim the show was (too much "tonnage" of misery) and asked him to throw in something fun and light, like the characters having a party. So he did, and had a bunch of pilots die. He said the execs pretty much stopped asking for those things afterward.
you’re going to absolutely love the character growth in show. every single character you have seen and the ones you haven’t have incredible arcs
@Dmarcoot I agree with you. So many of the secondary characters even get love. There is enough secondary development that they really are only secondary in the sense that they're on screen less than some of the main characters but you still have good story lines tied to them.
Best character arcs in all TV
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Doc Cottle is played by the late actor Donnelly Rhodes. He had over 160 acting credits.
The scene where Adama is tearing into Starbuck James Olmos really made Katee Sackhoff cry. Apparently she was phoning in the scene so Olmos pulled her aside and told her that if she did not take the scene serious then she had no business being an actress and she needed to get her sh!t together.
quite a few of the actors said Olmos would help through a scene or give advice. He really did seem to take on a father role for the cast. Fantastic actor and wish he had been in more prominent roles in big movies.
You guys have an awesome sense of humor and comedic timing. Doesn't matter if it's seasons long skits or the Curb Your Enthusiasm closing credits song while zoomed in on Josh's face, keep up the hilarious work!
I think BSG used cold opens and the occasional flash forward for one crucial reason.
It was a heavily serialised show and much more of a slow burner than any other scifi show on TV at the time.
Pre the advent of streaming, I think they felt the need to keep teasing the audience that "don't worry, something exciting will happen!"
The show was a critical darling but never found a popular audience the size of Stargate Atlantis, one of its contemporaries, I think mainly because of its darker tone and focus on character centric plot lines, as opposed to action week in, week out.
That room is my favourite set in season one. Katie Sackhoff said on a podcast that this day on set ( when they were filming it) started her down a path to become who she is today. Olmos' coaching and care really changed her carrier. Her words not mine.Apaprently she was not really taking it that seriously and EJO saw that despite that she was still soo good and pushed her to commit and give it everything she's got.
This episode alone that room had so many great scenes and there are much more to come. The scene between father and son, both scenes with Srarbuck and Adama, they were just so good. Adama was a fighter pilot as well before he advanced in ranks. He drops a comment in the miniseries when they talk about her with Tigh when she was in the brig. He said she is a much better fighter pilot than he was, so beside his love for her he also respects her skill and the way she faces things head on. Super valuable member of a fighter wing because ( since she is also a flight instructor ) she also knows how to work in a team. But yes he loves her like a daughter he said so himself. But that look he gave her in that room really tore her up you could see on her face. Brilliant acting from both.
To address your question about who trained the piltos before, they were trained by the Colonial Navy Academy and certain fleet squadrons ( like in today's NAvy ). Kara never trained anyone after her fiance died.
These fightercrafts are indeed weak, they have no shields simple projectile weapons and missiles. But on the other hand the Raiders are just as weak. The tech in this show is really grounded which I like a lot. Also, at this point the Galactica only have Mark 2 Vipers ( + Apollos's original Mark VII ) which were part of the museum on the port hangar deck.
No shields makes things far more difficult, and interesting. Galactica is massively armored, but other ships are just as fragile as what we have today.
@@Educated2Extinction One of the main reason I love the 2003 series. No shields, no lasers, just good old armor plates, projectile weapons and missiles. The only scifi tech they have is the FTL drive but they needed it to facilitate the travel somehow, everything else is very much grounded in reality. They even stop to mine Tylium for fuel a few times.
Wow, everyone's is so happy.
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE.
Stargate SG-1 is a great series. Staring Richard Dean Anderson (McGiver).TV series first on HBO then Sci-fi Channel. After BSG.
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I'd recommend it just because it can be a light hearted, pulpy adventure with humour that's a good palate cleanser from the seriousness of BSG
@@m.e.3862 I was totally obsessed with SG1. When the Reboot SG came out, I didn't like it's darkness. I preferred the old SG1 because it had such an optimism and ultimately the SG team with its allies were seemingly unbeatable. General Hammond, of Texas!
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That missile accident was inspired by a real life tragedy of an air to air missile falling from a parked jet fighter on the flight deck of the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal during the Vietnam War. Google USS Forrestal fire.
You guys need to watch the final episode of Galactica 1980. It's the "Enemy Mine" episode you've been wanting.
I know you've been told to avoid Galactic 1980 and for the most part that's good advice. But there is one episode that not only is the best episode of that series, it's one of the best of Battlestar Galactica. So, give "The Return of Starbuck" a look. I bring it up because of a reference you made in this reaction and it has a connection to upcoming episodes in the reboot.
Hot Dog is actually the son of Edward James Olmos IRL
Maybe I'm just really good at spotting foreshadowing but with the happy music and them spilling the red paint I just knew something bad was about to happen.
Farscape was being made close to this same time & it’s a lot more fun. Just saying
Would love to get to Farscape eventually
Stargate SG1, all the Star gate TV series as well, is a fantastic show as well. I didn’t start it until it was almost over because I expected it to be a poor man’s Star Trek. I was VERY wrong.
the Mark2 Vipers, the one Starbuck crashed at the end are relics from the first war, 40 years before this one. The Galactica is also from that time and was minutes from being decomissioned when the Cylons returned. The parts needed to restore those old systems were no longer being made by the time of the miniseries and the Galactica was at the bottom of the supply list. The strap breaking represents that as does the fragility of the vipers. There are no spare parts except what they can make themselves, there are no replacement soldiers/pilots, they have what they have and that's it. Everyone is learning their new roles and positions in this fleet. At best, for now, they can keep themselves alive but the thought of anything else is a dream.
Thoughts on your comments on the editing choices. Ron Moore was adamant about creating a sci-fi show that did not follow the stereotypcial tropes of most sci-fi shows up until then. No predictable plot lines, no "bumpy headed aliens." Just the drama of these relatable humans running for their lives. Very much a military drama set on an aircraft carrier. It just so happens the "aircraft carrier" is a spaceship.
Not sure how you guys are watching all my favorite shows 😂 love the channel 👍🏽
You know the Zac on the original Battlestar Galactica was famous singer Rick Springfield
The preview flashes and the flash forwards in storytelling were correctly assessed and judged to be too gimmicky, and you don't see them much (I don't think at all, honestly) in Season 2 onward.
"Do ypu mind not smoking?"
"Yes."
Cottle is even more irascible than McCoy.
Remember in the first two-parter episode of the '78 series they needed to recruit new pilots and then those pilots of course had to go up against Cylons in combat.
Also in the previous episode you had the idea of using the prisoners for difficult tasks like in the Ice Planet Zero two parter.
As someone who grew up on episodic TV, I often hear younger people saying, "it could stand to be edited", "he pace is too slow", " they needed to tighten up some scenes". So.....why does serialized TV seem SO SLOW? I feel like it's edited to within an inch of it's molecular integrity, yet nothing ever happens!
Enemy mine reference was sick! Watched that so many times as a kid!! That VHS tape got worn out! 😂
picks up the ratchet strap assembly with frayed nylon strap: "metal fatigue." ugh. the small details kind of matter.
I always assumed it was to add even more emotional depth to the argument- you know there is love there, so what would happen if she died and his last words were those of anger to her. Also- perhaps the build up is to call into question the length Adama would then go to rescue her? “She killed my son let her rot” would not be an unexpected type of response that soon after the revelation. Basically, Starbucks in some sort of trouble- let’s double the perceived danger if she’s at odds with her champion.
Punch her? I think Adama was trying to not outright murderalize her- he felt unbelievable betrayal from this woman, who was essentially his daughter due to her actions leading directly his son's death- and she never told him (i.e., lied to his for years). Giving her a chance to leave his quarters... yeah, you could feel himself holding the rage back
I guarantee you, by the end of season 1, likely even before, you'll be fully invested in the show, its characters and the story. Glorious things ahead, aswell as for TNG and the rest of Trek if you ever decide to watch it.
Its battlestar galactica first time viewer tradition to not watch the teaser during the drums in the intro.
I love the way this show pays tribute to the original! The container the late pilots were spinning was known as a lifepod in the original. A life support bed from sickbay.
The layer camersoles imitate the egyptian-esque collar on Fleet uniforms.
There's only one Boomer. Hundreds of identical twins who look like her, one of whom was recruited to pretend to be her with Helo. I refer to her as Sharon-2.
The line "I love you like a daughter" alludes to the male Starbuck's backstory, when he was an orphaned child adopted by Adama. Also, Starbuck's romance with Zak alludes to male Starbuck being engaged to Athena in the original.
The original quickly gets away from the disaster, & leaps into adventure. The most recent attack on US soil had been the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor. It was decades in the past, & most Americans had only hazy memories of that attack.
This show was made only a few years after 9/11. America being attacked was visceral & real. *We don't leave the disaster!* This show is all about survivors coping the loss the only way they can.
I am following your marathon of these also avidly. And enjoying them!
Awesome, thank you!
@@targetaudience your welcome! I really love it Josh when your face just goes blank and the camera just zooms in on you with that funny circus music!
Is it next sunday yet? at this rate we'll never get to season 3 :3
JOSH: "At least he went out with a bang."
Me: We understand. That punchline was just laying right out there in the open. It had to be said.
Btw if you feel bsg isnt for y'all, at the very least give it to the end of the season. Bsg is really good, and every season finale really gives it some amsazing credit that pushes the series further.
We are watching the full first season
@@targetaudience huzzah! Some of the series is the best TV I've ever seen.
Literally an episode of galactic 1980 … what ever happened to Starbuck …. The only good 80s ep
If you like James Edward Olmos, watch Stand and Deliver 1988
Also guys, not sure you can break this run up with off camera talks, docs etc about it, maybe afterwards, check out Edward James Olmos talking about that scene with Starbuck, acting advice etc., really cool
You might want to look away during the episode previews, I always thought it spoiled too much
We have mixed thoughts on it
@@targetaudienceits an homage to space 1999. That show did the same in the opening Credits. But you can relax they will tone that down and make the spoiling snipets shorter in the future. Btw, Hot Dog is Adamas or better said Edward Olmos actual son.
So while it took the Second Season to hook me (didn't even watch most of the first season), I cannot wait until your reaction to the next episode. Your react to that one will determine how long I'll follow your BSG reacts (but I'm in the long run for the TNG reacts).
The guy training the pilots before was killed in Episode 1 (the "pilot" episode, ironically), when the Vipers first came to meet the Raiders head on and were shut off.
I wish there was more anything with Edward James Olmos. Sadly, only seen him in Dexter and in his few scenes in Blade Runner otherwise. I can honestly say that to me he carried this show like Patrick Stewart carried TNG.
FYI the actor playing hot dog is the real life son of Edward James Olmos (admiral Adama)
I know it's not TNG, but it seems weird to end it with no theme song.....work on that 🤣
Good stuff guys! 100k subs in no time!
"...hopefully Apollo doesn't accidentally bring it up, assuming that he already knows"
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Lee messed up interpreting something Bill said as meaning Kara already told him. Never assume is the lesson here.
Edward James Olmos either lost out on or turned down the role of Picard in TNG, if I'm not mistaken.
There are some episodes of this version of BSG which loosely mirror '78 stories. This one is similiar to the '78 plot where the pilots get sick and they had to recruit female substitutes.
Tigh? Cake? Yeah, you should have known better.
this sort of serialized drama should be a decent dress rehearsal for josh's plunge into GOT
Battlestar Galactica is the most aggressively depressing show I have watched this decade. I needed to take a break.
This is the flu episode from the original series. Where the pilots were all sick.
Josh is right, it is a flashback, the actual timeline this episode was starbuck falling onto the planet.
the flashbacks are the thoughts starbuck had while falling to her death.
but of course this went over both of your heads... sad!
You talk about the "two Boomers."
You may find it easier as the series progresses to refer to the one on Galactica as 'Boomer' and the one on Caprica as 'Sharon.' They are two very different characters as time progresses.
The point of two boomers at this part of story is not to know…
@@haukionkannel How can any viewer paying the least attention not know they are two different characters at this point??
Yeah. This show has a plot, but it's mostly a character show.
For some reason, S1E3 is not on your YT. Did you get a copy strike?
Oh, and btw, with this series? I have but one piece of advice, to have you abate your worries. Expect to be entertained. Expecting to be disappointed leads you to all kinds of speculations that we who have watched this series know are just entirely off. You can't know, of course. So, no spoilers at all, but gentlemen, please, expect to be entertained. I promise, you will not be disappointed. And when you get to the end, you will be salivating for "Caprica." Wait and see.
Episode 3 is on the channel. Not sure where you were looking but it’s in the BSG playlist
What a way to go, jeez
I like your Star Trek reviews, but with Battlestar, man. I don't know why you're bothering. It's very obvious that you didn't like the miniseries, didn't like the handful of episodes you've seen so far, and are absolutely predisposed to not like the show full stop.
I don't know if it's because it's just not in your wheelhouse or you're finding the storytelling to jarring compared to TNG, but it's obvious that you hate every second of it that you see. I don't see that changing anytime soon and its a very frustrating watch.
Sorry, guys.
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My sister watched Buffy, I found the whole concept ridiculous, but then I watched half of a later episode as she was pottering about and I ended up hooked. So I’d say give them a chance to give it a chance.
Are you sure you guys are not secretly British? (I am openly) Love your quick witted humour while watching this great series! Continue! 😃
This is one of the best compliments we’ve ever gotten
@@targetaudience you are very welcome guys! It's kind of hard to make a cynical old Gen X git like me laugh, you deffo do! (not as much as South Park though) 😉
Prophecy plays a role in this series. I've always seen Starbuck's crash being shown as something that had to happen.
I can’t wait for tng s03e15.
Im sure nobody cares...lol.
My cousins boyfriend was on the special effects team..
And the chik that plays Cally was locked up for being involved with some sex cult.....down an dirty.
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stick with it guys.
Does it bother anybody else that actors for some reason can never figure out how to do a proper military salute?
Looking forward to part 2 of this.