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Now let's be honest, I've heard practically nothing about the campaign in Germany. Even the demonstrators in front of the Bundestag were not exactly many. According to the polls, until recently the majority was against the Leopard, so I can understand some of the reasons. But now it has happened and that is good.
Just a little correction, the law was not made for the leopards, it is technically applied to all german weapons exports. Fromm leopard down to sidearm and bullets.
Turkey's Leopard 2 tanks were at some point meant to be modernized to a higher specification but due to various problems in negotiating this, the Turkish Leopard tank were instead to be upgraded by a local arms manufacturer. Turkish tanks had not yet gone through this process of upgrading to what they designate Leopard 2A4TR, at the time of their use in Syria. This also makes it difficult to make a direct comparison with other Leopard 2, as only Turkey operates this variant.
Also, Erdogan got rid of the well-trained tankers when they were involved in an attempted coup and send the Leopards to Syria with with inexperienced crews.
I was a Gunner on an M1 and the M1A1 in Germany from 85-90. The Leo2 as we called was as good if not better than the M1. Very solid. This mixed with the supposed addition of the M1A1 all using the same 120mm ammo helps logistics. I think it’s a good move. Plus both operate with similar awareness electronics.
i was a gunner and driver on the leo2a6. the high res thermals, on both leo and m1 is just gonna be such a massive advantage, along with ballistic computers and stabilizations and all its not actually hard to hit a moving target with the leo 2 while you are moving yourself, even at night at 2km distance. Just aim, laze, track one second, pull the trigger, the computer is gonna make you hit almost guaranteed
Both tanks have been fielded in environments devoid of the support mechanisms and complementary systems with which they were designed previously - both were proven hunks of metal containing intelligent bags of liquid. This time they will be in an environment where their enemy has force cohesion and all the complimentary systems - envisioning some game changing capability is self deception.
@@BrownBabyJesus Why do you think that Ukrainians would do the same shit that has been done before again? They get Bradleys and Marders, they already have the artillery systems and Gepards plus a ton of advisors. They might be poor as f... but their edjucation standard and their ambition to learn are a completelly different story. If you think they are as incompetent to field them in a useful way you have a wrong image of the people living there and you might deceive yourself.
@@FoxRoxification : Yes the people living there are white slavic is that the point you are trying to make, I believe so. But we have seen that is a war against Russia and very soon the Russian people are going to realise that and demand more brutality from Putin which he should dash out on Ukraine.
@BrownBabyJesus : I understand what you are saying. Alot of right wing fascist around the world are having a field day supporting their brother in Ukraine .The Most High is going to support Russia because Russia is fighting a just and noble war against those western Evildoers.
At 8:47 one of the coolest features of this tank is shown: in case of engine failure, a recovery vehicle can shlep out a spare engine and swap it within 15 minutes, in the field.
@@antoniohagopian213 It won't be like a quick change barrel but maybe leave the tank temporarily. Let the other units clear the situation and then get the new engine and rejoin the fight or drive back for more repairs. Still easier than being towed to the nearest base.
The biggest advantage of the Leopard 2 over challenger, le clerc or Abrams is that Poland operates and can provide depot level maintenance for the Leopard without any additional maintenaner training or logistics lines. Poland is already doing depot level maintenance and refurb of Ukrainian and donated Russian equipment.
It also helps that the Leopard 2 is an easier to operate tank than the Abrams. The Leo 2 uses an easier to maintain diesel engine and drivers controls are just like a car, the Leo 2 was designed to be effective when crewed by European reservist soldiers who may only train on the tank once every year or two, the Abrams was designed to be effective when operated by highly trained professional full time soldiers.
As a former Leopard 2 A6 (A2 and M+) tank commander and platoon leader I can just say: what makes the leopard superior is not the technical advantage, it’s the training of the crew. The tank just only works with German tank doctrine. Without, it’s just a heavy, static target for ATGMs, like in Syria. I hope the ukraine soldiers will be trained well. If they learn German tank doctrine, Russia will run out of tanks fast.
Well there is nothing more difficult than breaking throw an mine obstacle. On maneuvers it was the most terrible thing to do. In reality we know now it’s absolutely horror.
What about spilled blood of Ukrainians? Hundreds of raped women and children? Germany has blocked weapons for Ukraine and the most of Germans support this stupidity. What do you think about this?
The beer test is just about the most German thing ever. In the Russian version they strap a conscript to the end of the barrel and threaten to shoot him if he spills any vodka
Considering the hazing techniques prominent in their army, I think it is safe to assume that the method of attaching the conscript to the barrel is different from strapping and involves lube
A Canadian Leopard C2 (an upgraded and modified Leopard 1 (technically a Leopard 1A5 turret mated with a Leopard 1A3 hull) in Canadian service) with MEXAS add on armor once was hit by an IED in Afghanistan back in 2007. It had 2 injured crew, but both were able to return to service, and the tank itself was perfectly fine. A month later, we got Leopard 2A4's (upgraded to Leopard 2A4M CAN) and Leopard 2A6 (Leopard 2A6M CAN). The Leopard 2 family are absolute beasts in combat, and if used correctly, they'll be causing Russian soldiers to wake up in a cold sweat for the rest of their lives.
Ukraine had over 2,500 tanks before Russia invaded on Feb. 24th. Most of them have been destroyed. These Leopards 2s and will be destroyed by 152mm artillery shells just like all of Ukraine's other donated junk.
A British Chally 2 was hit with around 70 rounds of PG7V from RPG7's near Basra. The tank remained mobile but they had pretty much zero situational awareness as all the sights and periscopes were smashed. All 4 crew survived though they were shaken up a bit.
Just a a little correction from Germany, the map which can be seen at 5:02 is not quite up to date. Germany is actually quite a bit smaller since WW2. Keep up the good work thanks for your content!
Ouch! Using that map in Germany would get you in all kinds of trouble and rightly so. It's on par with showing a 'Reichskriegsflagge' instead of the black red gold flag of the Federal Republic of Germany. Since the Ukraine war is all about redrawing maps, let's take a little more care when displaying borders.
@@holgerlinke98 Was soll der Scheiß? Wohin so ein dämliches Gelaber führt sieht man doch gerade in der Ukraine. Mein Opa kam aus Schneidemühl und hat seine Heimat verloren aber er hat trotzdem gecheckt dass dies jetzt zu Polen gehört. Werd erwachsen!
We actually have some reliable, however a bit old, data on both the export M1A2 Abrams and the Leo2 Improved. In the early 90s Sweden had the exported M1A2, Leo2 Imp and Leclerc on trial. What Sweden found was that the Leo2 Imp was superior in off road mobility, engaging targets and survivability. The Abrams had better communications and command systems and also won the maintenance category. The Abrams also consumed twice the amount of fuel as the Leo2. So... Going by that (almost 30 years old data, that must be said) Ukraine really wants the Leo2s. And with so many European countries capable of providing spareparts and fuel and ammunition and training, it really is the best choice for Ukraine. The US provided its Abrams simply to convince the Germans to send Leo2s to Ukraine. The US isn't interested in shipping tanks at all. US tanks are not important here. German tanks are important. German tanks has the established logistics in place and German tanks have proven their worth when compared to the export Abrams in severe testing
One fact people don't realize is that all export models of the Abrams do not have the depleted uranium (DU) armor as the American tanks do. The DU armor is top secret, not even Australia, Saudi Arabia ect. have received tanks with the DU armor. The Abrams Poland will be receiving also will not have the DU armor.
I would think that for US it would be very much in their interest to ship over as many Abrams as they can to Europe. Not to Ukraine but in an attempt to backfill the tanks supplied to Ukraine to those countries that donates tanks. Then those countries will be invested into Abrams program and money will start rolling in.
Don't forget, Canada was the first country to bring tanks as part of the international mission in Afghanistan, providing valuable combat information of the Leopard 2's performance in difficult terrain and against irregular forces. Canada also made numerous alterations to the tank, which have since been integrated into the modern variants.
Of course the Leo won. The lighter tanks always win those European competitions. The only thing the Abrams has over the Leo is frontal armor. They are both great tanks, they can both hit targets at 5000m.
Re-Export licences are common in weapons sales in pretty much every country. The weapons are licenced to one country, and cannot be re-exported or moved to other countries without the consent of the original weapons maker, this is to stop weapons ending up in the 'wrong hands'....
"Wrong hands" (read without the original country and its industries getting a slice of the pie for resell). Because lets face it that is what it really is by and large.
A little correction to the statement of Rheinmetall: After they said, that the first Leopards would only be ready by early 2024, Rheinmetall later stated, that out of the 22 Leopard 2s in stock (btw 2A4s not the new 2A7) 10-15 could be ready by mid to late 2023. The majority of the 88 older Leopard 1A5s could be made operational within the next eight to twelve months. Another 29 Leopard 2A4s that are meant for the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be ready by April 2023. Also the Ammo fired by the Leopard 2 is mostly either the DM33 or the DM53 that was specifically developed for the Rh120mm L55 used on the 2A6 . Oh and I think you meant DM43 not DM42 ;) The DM33 (for the 2A4s) would be able to pen around 480mm RHA at 0° from 2000m, the DM43A1 around 560mm and the DM53 is reported to be able to penetrate around 640mm of RHA.
That's correct, the boss of Rheinmetall said they are able to restore all the junk they have until next year, not some of them. This included upgrading some L1 to L2 as far I understood. This means dissembling the thing, replace what is needed (the armor first), change completely the analog electronics with digital modern electronics, practically building a new tank from the scraps of an old tank.
@@petrumoldovan2598 The Leopard 1 cannot be upgraded to the Leopard 2. Its a completly different Tank. The L1 can only be upgraded to more modern optics and electronics, but the 1A5 is the last and most modern Leopard 1 to enter service and will most likley not be upgraded any further. It already uses similar electronics and optronics, e.g the Fire control system is the EMES 18, a adapted version of the FCS used by the Leopard 2A4 with a stabilized main telescopic sight and a laser rangefinder, but without the weapon tracking system. Another change was the preparation to mount the Leopard 2's Rh120mm L44 cannon (but it's also unlikely, that Rheinmetall will upgrade the 1A5 with the L44)
As a German: This is a very detailed analysis of the current situation. Well done (also the political aspects) In the end it's similar to a computer game. Equipment is only one part of the success, so hopefully our Leo's will help. The rest of success is skill. A good team inside the tank need to manage the battle.
There are people in germany and elsewhere (including Putin) who have the opinion that germany is still occupied. From the german basic law (a substitute for a constitution): GG Article 120 [Occupation costs - Burdens resulting from the war] (1) The Federation shall finance the expenditures for occupation costs and other internal and external burdens resulting from the war, as regulated in detail by federal laws. To the extent that these war burdens were regulated by federal laws on or before 1 October 1969, the Federation and the Länder shall finance such expenditures in the proportion established by such federal laws. Insofar as expenditures for such of these war burdens as neither have been nor will be regulated by federal laws were met on or before 1 October 1965 by Länder, municipalities (associations of municipalities) or other entities performing functions of the Länder or municipalities, the Federation shall not be obliged to finance them even after that date. The Federation shall be responsible for subsidies towards meeting the costs of social security, including unemployment insurance and public assistance to the unemployed. The distribution of war burdens between the Federation and the Länder prescribed by this paragraph shall not be construed to affect any law regarding claims for compensation for consequences of the war. Art. 146 Dieses Grundgesetz, das nach Vollendung der Einheit und Freiheit Deutschlands für das gesamte deutsche Volk gilt, verliert seine Gültigkeit an dem Tage, an dem eine Verfassung in Kraft tritt, die von dem deutschen Volke in freier Entscheidung beschlossen worden ist. Article 146 [Duration of the Basic Law] This Basic Law, which, since the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany, applies to the entire German people, shall cease to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect. The official site the translation from german to english of article 146 isn`t one to one and can be missleading. My translation: This Basic Law, which, after the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany applies to the entire German people, ceases to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect. Not to forget things like the cleansing (to my understanding the US army did it to the town one of my grandmothers was from (Purschau in the County of Tachau) and that pretty much all points of the hague convention, geneva convention and UN genocide convention get ignored when it comes to germany and the german people. Supposedly "german" law was followed when the german foregin intelligence agency was caught working with the US to directly spy on the german Bundeskanzler (Merkel at that time) and the goverment. First it was a big scandal, then it was said it was legal and the rest blacked out. Just look at the Northstream 2 pipeline. The german goverment even refuses to inform the german parlament on what they know. There are a lot of fingers pointing in a certain direction including Joe Bidens. There is even more. supposedly most of the german ecomomy (DAX traded companies) are owned from outside from germany. primary france, the UK and US. In addition to that a former head of intelligence from australia so (of the "Five Eyes") said that germany is one if not THE primary target of their agencies. It`s also not only illegal for germany to prosecute but to investigate warcrimes comitted by the allies between 1939 and 1948/49 while others still go to jail over things regarding the ww2 timeframe, even if they haven`t been born back then. SO there isn`t even equality under the law. There are a lot of such things out there. The whole post ww2 order is based on the following: International military tribunal charter Article 19. The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value. Article 20. The Tribunal may require to be informed of the nature of any evidence before it is entered so that it may rule upon the relevance thereof. Article 21. The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations. It`s from the nuremberg trials. German guilt for Katyn has been established there and there very high ranking critics on it at that time (e.g. US surpreme court chief justice at that time Harlan Fisk Stone). Why do i risk legal trouble and even jail for saying the same things that Yad Vashem in Israel, the USholocaustmuseum and leading jewish historians (Yehuda Bauer, Raul Hillberg and David Cesarani) and other mainstream historians (e.g. Jean-Claude Pressac) say/said, not even speaking about the revisionists because all of those mentioned say different things for which germans were tried, imprisoned and executed for and still risk jail over. Most recently (in the last few years( the USholocaustmuseum seems to have stated things about Majdanek that go against what the staff there says and what germans were tried, imprisoned and executed for. Older, simmilar cases, that now get ignored are Bergen Belsen, Dachau and Buchenwald. It has been admitted to torture to get confessions and to get stuff on others at this trials. If you are interested in this look at Bad Nenndorf, the London Cage and the Simpson Army Comission which investigated some of this claims and found them credible (Malmedy trial). This comission even made it in front of the US goverment but i don`t think anything came from it.
@@mrd7067 "There are people ...still occupied." You're right. Some really believe it; others use it as propaganda. The fact, that Putin knows Germany, speaks German very well will lead to the conclusion, that in his case it's simple propaganda I personally do not feel oppressed or occupied in any way. However, I have to discuss major decisions with my wife beforehand 😁
@Abhijeet Kundu Yes, I am really German. I am glad that I am not responsible for the decision whether we send Leos or not, and I am sure that it is also a hard decision for our Chancellor Scholz. I don't want to do his job. When I weigh the pros and cons, I personally agree with it and I really hope they help. In my utopia, they won't be needed for any fight and Putin will back off considering the Western tank supplies, but unfortunately I don't believe in that.
Yes, there are TWO different successive "Leopard" tanks, the old Leopard 1 [A5] (lightly armored, high mobility, rifled 105mm gun) and the more modern Leopard 2 [A4+] (good armor, good mobility, excellent smoothbore 120mm gun). Media wrongfully keep throwing those two into the same box as "the Leopard".
But Germany never blocked other countries from sending their tanks. They just never got an official request from countries like Poland or Finnland to send tanks.
Remember, it's not about the design as much as it is about the modifications installed. People keep complaining about Russian tanks being old and from the 70's, when all NATO tanks are from the same era. I've seen those discussions way too many times
Great point. People don't realize that it's kind of like having your old pc but with a new motherboard, graphics card, etc but upgraded one piece at a time and still in the same case. Although, I have heard criticism about general ww2 era weaponry being sent or used by Ukraine and the orcs. Some of it is still effective for sure, some... Not so much. Also, mocking the orcs for using the tanks from the cold War while they were claiming they had all this new stuff.
@@Skarry well the .50 cal was made before ww2 and M3 is copy of MG42 with reduced fire rate. so some of the old weapons still work very well for the task they were made. but others like mosint rifles are maybe best used for hunting or target practice. just like some T72 version/moidifcations are actually very modern and their biggest issue is the ammo position it seems. i mean you have those with changed engine, armour, various electronics added including stabilization etc.
Most of the Russian tanks are actually newer the primary T90 moderate models are from the 90s and most numerous T72 model is actually from the last decade. The leopard and Abrams about end of 1970s designs and the latest upgrades on the leopard was in the 80s last upgrade on the Abrams was right at the start of the 90s last upgrade on the Challenger was also in the 80s the only somewhat modern Western tank is actually the French one which came out in the 90s everything else is soviet era even in its latest incarnations.
@@anxietydisorders5917 I speaking about Canada's modifications to the tank. It remains to be seen if the four that Canada is sending next month will be the regular or upgraded versions.
Fun fact: The DM63, introduced in 2005, uses a propellant, thats difficult to ignite by getting hit. So that and the fire suppression system would render the hull ammo issue almost solved.
@SlappyTheElf yep, depleted uranium is a special sauce. The properties of uranium mean it's a self sharpening material, so the better the armor, the sharper it gets, which means it can easily defeat Russian armor. Abrams use depleted uranium for armor which literally means the faster and harder it gets hit, the harder the armor gets. It's lovely looking at the physics behind modern armor
@@saltyfloridaman7163 The Koreans developed a self sharpening Tungsten perpetrator for the K2 Black Panther. I think it involved tempering the tip and building layers and tempering 28 times. It's still not as good as DU but a big improvement. Seems to add 200mm penetration.
The hull ammo storage isn’t so odd. Many western designed tanks had ammo storage in the hull, even the Abrams has a small hull ammo storage area though it isn’t used for ammo all that often. Besides some of the thickest armor being on the front of the tank they were intended to be used from hull down positions. That way it can’t be hit in the first place.
It may not be 'odd', but it's a well-known No-No for all designs going forward now. Emphasis on the "western designed tanks *_HAD_* ammo storage in the hull" Edit: you are absolutely correct about the hull down positions though. NATO cold war doctrine & arms design has always been focused on fighting from the defense (why we so love our berm drills), particularly along the Rhine, hence almost no amphibious designs and a focus on heavier armor and NBC survival. The whole point was to stop a Soviet WW3 doctrine Iron Fist advance, and Nuclear Retaliation was expected to be the only truly offense, not a mechanized/combined arms assault into Soviet turf.
DM 63 rounds have a very low chance to explode or catch fire when hit but its a very modern round after DM73 (DM63 with more powerful explosive charge) and DM73Neo and I would doubt it would be sent to Ukraine
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Berm drill has been a part of US and British tank doctrine since WW2, it's why western MBTs are so tall, to give enough gun depression to operate hull down. Even WoT captured it spot on, US tanks in the game even are the best at fighting hull down.
@petesheppard1709, The M1A1 had storage for 6 120mm rounds in the hull. In 3/35 AR, 1AD (Bamberg Germany) we carried sabot rounds there because it was almost impossible to get HEAT rounds out due to their length. Geez, learn a bit before commenting. I was a platoon leader/XO in the battalion for 4 1/2 years.
I'm suprised the Netherlands was mentioned at 3:24 but not Spain considering we are one of the main and biggest users of the Leo 2. In fact we locally produced our 239 Leopard 2E (modernized Leo 2A6), by Santa Bárbara Sistemas. We also have 108 2A4, of which we're sending 53 to Ukraine.
Exactly, in NL we don''t even OWN any Leopards, we lease / hire them.... Our whole tank battalion is sold because we didn't believe our tanks wouldn't matter if EU would be attacked Germany has enough tanks to lend to us.... So we can''t even help Ukraine because of the lease contract with Germany. The only thing we have right now is "Air Power" with the few 5th gen F-35's. Its ridiculous management of our government...
@@bartbroekhuizen5617 I mean come on, i cant even think of anybody in germany or in the netherlands who want to fight each other, so why not share army? Even if the soldiers dont speak each others language, they possibly will understand each other, lol.
@@SolixxOne Costs offcourse its mostly cheaper to own your own assets then leasing them, and i am gonna miss the Army demonstrations in the Netherlands. Owning something gives more pride then leasing a tank. And im also not very much Pro EU to have a EU army... Culture is something to be proud of.
THis whole drama was so dumb. The Leopards are not so much better than upgraded T-80s! If Ukraine sacrificed production of their indigenous Oplot for the Leopards, they made a serious strategic blunder. Also, the Kornet has a top-attack ability that will open a Leopard like a tin can. So, smart munitions or ATGMs with top-attack capability, can very easily take advantage of this hull ammo storage. The Leopard, when used, MUST be part of a combined arms attack, advance under cover and have infantry /arty support to suppress ATGM teams.
4:00 I am sure the "expert" knows that the A4 version and newer versions have different guns. The Abrams has the same gun as the Leopard 2 A4 - the Rheinmetall L/44. The newer Leopards have the L/55 with higher muzzle velocity.
Small nerd correction (8:24) Leopards can't climb 60 "degree" slopes, practically no vehicle can. They can, however, climb 60 "percent" slopes (which comes to around 30 degrees).
Just a note, you said germany privatized their gas industry but technically they took steps to nationalize it. I think you meant that germany now privately controls it, but privatization is actually the opposite of what they did.
Just the gas suppliers that went bankrupt and the ones owned by Russian companies were taken over by the German state. For the others, nothing has changed.
There are private pipeline operating companies. Private gas storage, private oil and gas companies, private refineries. Nationalization is not a thing here. BUT, the russian gazprom was operating the biggest german gas storage and did not fill it up properly from autumn 2021 on. It was as empty as never before in springtime. Clearly a war preparation from russian side and they were not willing or able to fill it up properly in summer. So, germany took over control there out of national interest. They also changed the management of the refinery at the polish border that was russian operated. They did not seem to make a move towards getting oil from other places than from the russian pipeline or they were not able to make business with other suppliers. The government will privatize it soon enough. There is a tradition for the government to invest in companies in times of economic problems. Lufthansa was one of them in covid time. Lufthansa bought the shares back as soon as they could since they dont want government fingers in their business. For few decades now there is that disease of privatising infrastructure like local water supply etc. Some bad experience was made with no maintenance and owner of those companies sending nice holiday cards from tourist paradises that do not turn in criminals.
everyone that was under soviet occupation in 1941 initially saw germans as liberators from soviet yoke. although, only after short while, germans showed their true colors and let people understand that they came as new occupants.
@@liveforever141 Makes you wonder what would have happenend if they really did come as liberators and freed them from the Soviets. Ah well, it is what it is and one can't change history.
Finally, another of the few youtubers who got the difficultys germany was/is facing and understands that it wasn't an easy decision to make and also mentions that germany already is the 3rd biggest supporter for Ukraine in the world (1st in EU with money and military systems/equip, 2nd in world with money).
Nah, our leaders int he moment are fascists themselves, openly voting for Nazism and Rascism in the UN, too. Sending weapons to Nazis is absolutely no prob for them, they are just cowards on top of that and fear that they will ruin germany with that and people come to hang them later plus of course know, that this will do shit anyway, because it's just some freaking old tanks..
@@miriamweller812 You will find (by number) more of your "Nazis" in the american or russian military than in the ukranian. Those few in the ukranian military are not a priority at the moment. "Yes", they are a problem but one with can be dealed with later.
That’s cause all the Ukraine supporters are rabid and if you don’t give what they feel is good enough then your not doing enough. The Ukrainian supporters are used to getting there way, since majority of them are SJW and used to pressure others into doing what they want. None of these people would grab a gun and kit up and fight. But they’ll be keyboard warriors
Indeed. But it is the right choice; Putin has _never_ kept his word to anything, whether it be starting a fight, halting a fight, deescalating, and so on. At this point, the gloves are off. IMO the West needs to put maximum pressure on him to stop or face destruction - even if it risks nuclear war. He won't stop until he's stopped by force - preferably by his own people.
Did you get a new editor or something in the past few months ? I mean the content was always good, but returning to this channel after some time is seems the quality has increased greatly. Nice job my dude
I like the fact that german tanks still focus on their success story. Mobility, Communication and Information. German Tanks might not be perfect, but Germany (and many others) proved multiple times in history that neither quantity nor quality wins wars, but information, coordination and discipline.
Just a small correction: If compared fairly to contemporary versions the Leopard 2 and M1 are basically the same weight. The confusion here generally comes from US sources stating imperial short tons (1000lb) and international sources stating metric tons (1000kg). The Leopard 2A7 weights 67.5t, while the M1A2 SEPv3 weights 66.8t. So the Leo is actually is a little bit heavier. And the Leopard 2A4 weights 55.1t while the M1A1 weights 55.8t. So here the M1 is a little bit heavier. But both times we are talking about weight differences of only a few percent. Additionally the maintenance is not as bad for the M1. According the a Swedish test in the late 90s were both of the tanks were compared directly, the M1 is actually easier to maintain than the Leopard 2, especially if you have extensive experience with turbine engines, as Ukraine does. The higher fuel consumption of the M1 is offset by its multi-fuel capability, which the Leopard 2 lacks. And could be easily mitigated by having the M1s deployed in a more defensive role. The US could easily do the same as Germany and send about 8% of their active tank stock directly from deployed units. Which would come out to about 350 M1A2 SEPv2 tanks. And they could do the same as Germany and actually gift these armaments to Ukraine, instead of only leasing them out. The fact that the US is not doing that, is in fact quite shameful for a nation that wants to be the leader of the free world...
M1 abrams consume a lot of fuel while idling, almost as if they were moving. Leopard 2 uses less fuel while idling. So it'd be best to use the Leopard 2 defensively, which is how it was designed in the first place, and the Abrams in the offensive role. Again, they were designed that way.
@@jakdmavika9233 I got that confused. Sometimes I forget that imperial units are full of weird non-decimal conversion factors. 1 short ton = 2000lbs = 908kg = 0.908t
The Leopard motor is multi-fuel capable as well: It can run on (the percentages, I have just heard) at least 60% Diesel (that doesn't need to be of the highest quality, heating oil will do as well) +40% of whatever is a burning fluid
My guy it's not that the U.S. is unwilling or unable to provide lots of MBTs like the Abrams, the problem is logistical supply chains. The supply chain for the Abrams or any other legacy MBT system starts in the U.S. literally on the the other side of the planet. Moving such heavy shit as heavy as tanks that far in any appreciable numbers takes months, on top of training personnel, deployment, resupply, spares, etc. While the supply chain for leopards starts in Germany, about a 16 hr drive from Kyiv. Logistical capacity from the U.S. is better spent on lower weight resources that can be moved in high enough numbers to have an appreciable effect on the war MREs, munitions, infantry equipment, humanitarian aid, etc. "Professionals talk logistics" - General Omar Bradley
That turret appliqué armor on the 2A5 and later makes such a HUGE difference in the tank's appearance and it seems like it should increase the tanks protection considerably.
It does, but only against Russia’s older and shorter sabots. It doesn’t do well against nato long-rod penetrators or Russia’s newer ones (Svinets and later). This is mainly due to the design of the appliqué armor and how it’s meant to defeat the rounds that attempt to penetrate it.
@@Atourq True. It is ment to let the penetrator stagger and sway in direction but can only do that if it isn't to long and don't have the time to redirect.
@@Atourq especially with russia capturing all the fancy equipment and redeveloping it and sending some to china so china can just directly copy it as they always do. Sending equipment to this corrupt craphole is just shooting the west into its knee, as its only advantage is technological
@@meinschmerz6074 Not in the older tanks. It takes a rebuild of the carrusel for the autoloader to handle the longer shell. I am uncertain if they managed that with the T-72BV3 from 2016 (please comment?). It is available for the T90 versions they are currently building, perhaps also modernized T80s? Anything Soviet era not modernized since then is unable to handle these sabots.
10:29 Fromm what I remember the Turkish Tanks got destroyed during some a thunder Run without infantry Support. Also a Lot of abandoned Tanks got destroyed by the Turkish Air force
5 of them out of 10 leo got hit with atgm long range 2 IED/mine , 1 mortar , 1 tracks broken , 1 of them damaged from unknow reasons posibly SVBIED attack
No, not a thunder run. They were deployed to the rear as long-range fire-support weapons. They were without infantry support, though artillery in the rear often doesn't have much of that.
The contrasting bit of combat performance is found in Canada's successful record of using the Leopards in Afghanistan, which was the first Western country to deploy tanks there.
@@cryptosamet3536 they are coping cus almost every tank suffers the same problem but they are trying to convince themself that german tanks are better just because they are western
I would bet the Ukrainian tankers will learn to use these tanks in 1/3 to 1/2 the time estimated. This people are well educated and extremely motivated.
I just heard an American general say today that if they are already a trained tank crew, they could be brought up to speed in about a month of extensive training. Not sure how accurate that is, but Wesley Clark was a pretty high ranking general, so he probably has a pretty good idea. I would wager that Poland just might have been giving some Ukrainians a bit of a head start…If you noticed, whenever Ukraine has received advanced weapons, they mysteriously know how to use them to great effect immediately. Ukrainians have been training in NATO countries for some time now. I’m pretty sure providing tanks wasn’t a snap decision. I’d bet a fair sum that some of them have been quietly doing some training.
@@flummi6966 I figured. Probably not just Poland either. None of the big countries are just going to throw these guys in tanks and send them to the front. First, they want Ukraine to be successful, but they also don’t want to see a disaster involving their main battle tanks. At this point, how do you think the market is for Russian tanks. The same would happen with western tanks if they were crushed. But Ukrainians have been training in England, Poland and the US. Probably Germany too. All of those countries have facilities to train tank crews on a large scale, and lots of simulators to at least get familiar with the electronics. That’s the time consuming part, along with maintenance.
It was the UK saying they were sending 14 Challenger 2s before the big NATO meeting earlier this month, that pushed the issue of sending modern MBTs to Ukraine. Then at the meeting Germany said they would only send tanks if the US put M1A1s into Ukraine and that forced the US to go along with it. It's not like the US can't deploy hundreds of MBTs with only a couple of weeks notice when they really want to.
@@Thurgosh_OG It’s not the Tanks that truly matter though, its all the logistics that come with newer more complicated MBT’s, especially the Turbine driven M1A1 (or whatever variant they send) that is going to potentially cause issues. The Abrams is extremely complicated and thirsty.
Hey Cappy! At 10:56 you state that some versions of the Leopard do not have explosive reactive armor. As far as I know, not a single one has that feature, as the exploding armor could jeopardize the surrounding friendly infantry. Combined arms warfare doctrine works both ways. 😅 Keep it up, buddy! Greetings from Germany… 🙌
@@MostlyPennyCat WHich is dumb considering the results we've seen from ERA. Look up "T72 survives", ERA is no joke, there's a vid on here of a T72B3 surviving TWO frontal ATGM hits, and there's another clip of a T72B surviving a side hit.
If you ever hit your liver and want to kill yourself in one night what a fun drinking game called take a shot every time you see a Ukrainian soldier with at least one piece of corn gear missing and an extra shot for every piece of mismatch camouflage or equipment. I guarantee you’ll end up in the hospital if not the morgue.
I heard a short interview with a German politics expert yesterday. He didn't say anything about pressure from other (European) countries to deliver the Leo, rather Germany waited for USA to approve Abrams deliveries aswell. Specifically, it was important for German government to avoid making independent decisions from their allies.
Well he's a 'German political expert', he wouldn't say anything that would make his country look bad or weak. The real pressure came from the British confirming Challenger 2s would be sent, well in advance of the NATO meeting where the US and Germany stepped up.
@@Thurgosh_OG Might be. But it could also be the other way around: Foreign media blaming Germany for their own inability to deliver something of good use. Usually, German media and experts from any field of expertise don't fail to critize German government, quite the opposite, really. Especially when they are associated with a non-government party.
Faster and less armored was the doctrine of the Leopard 1, not the Leopard 2. And the Leopard 1 came from a codevelopment with France which spawned the AMX-30 and the Leopard 1. Also our APFSDS rounds end on a 3, so it's DM 43. DM 42 would be a hypothetical HEAT round.
3:05 thats acually true. By the end of the last century every german Househould got some spare Leopard 2s because there were free. I myselfe had over 479 Leopards.
11:02 the kornet missile uses a tandem warhead designed to deal with era so regardless if the tank has it or not it will still destroy it and make it unusable
If something penetrates a Leopard 2 and manages to set the hull ammo off, the tank will be dead anyway. Even if there was no ammo stored at this location.
the problem was, poland didn‘t even apply for export permission, until shortly before it was approved. All while screaming about how germany was blocking their tanks. My guess for what happened is, poland was pressuring germany to provide some of their own tanks, just like Germany was pressuring the US.
People constantly cite Rheinmetall on the Leopard 2. The Leopard 2 is built by KMW, the gun is coming from Rheinmetall. Rheinmetall just has a side business to make upgrades of existing Leopard 2s and for some reason are a lot more loud mouthed in the media than KMW is. KMW is running the main series upgrade programs, production and maintenance centers. The weight classes of the Leopard 2 and Abrams is also similar. The newest Abrams and Leopard 2 A7s clock in at above 65 tons. The A4 is lighter because it is 30 year old version with less armor.
I love your channel Chris, and I have been subscribed for a long time. You bring all these international political/military sources of conflict down to a pragmatic grunt level perspective. Onya Cobber (Australia).
One thing about Poland though: They've never (until recently) filed a formal inquiry in order to be allowed to send Leopards to the Ukraine. They somehow thought that just talking about it, would make Germany give them the go ahead. The German position was clear from the start: If you ask for permission, as stated in the contract, we will allow it! While I can somehow understand Poland on this topic, the ruling party really used this whole tank debacle for their election campaign.
I think the main reason there seems to be increased urgency is due to the fact that it appears likely that there is going to be a breakthrough near Bakmut and the west wants to mitigate losses as a result of that breakthrough.
I think the main reason is that the west wants Ukraine to have all of the equipment ready for a spring offensive after mud season, so they gotta start now to hit that timeline
MyNameIsJ3ffrey Right, and it is, also, likely that the West is becoming concerned about the Russian military build-up in Eastern Ukraine. A nightmare scenario for Ukraine and the West would be for the Russians to launch a major attack with men and materiel that would be so massive that it would overwhelm the Ukrainian forces.
@Ron Charles that's not a viable scenario. Russia has been losing ground for months and only recently stabilized the situation into a grueling, attritional war with very minor shifts in the line. Russia (or any military) would not choose to intentionally be stuck in a high casualty stalemate if they actually had the logistical capability to break through, but just choose not to
@Anthony O'er attrition is a strategy of necessity, not choice lmao 🤣 Attrition is what you do when you can't break an opponents lines, so the goal is to attrit their defenses more than yours for another break through. Or attrition is a posture you take while on the defensive to hopefully wear down enemy offensive capabilities enough for you to then make your own offense. But Russis is engaged in attrition while also engaging offensively. That is NEVER A DESIRABLE STRATEGY. Come on man. This is like the basics. This is the equivalent of saying "France's strategy in Verdun was attrition" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
8:55 ahh Oksbøl exercise terrain Denmark...well, the gas-station on the outskirts of Oksbøl anyway. "Åben Hede" is an annual military display where the public can come and have a look at military equipment, usually draws a bunch of German tourists because they don't have anything like it open to the public (Danish exercise terrain is publicly available unless it's a live fire exercise), and they seem to love looking at military hardware, We show off everything from direct firing howitzers and tanks to old half-tracks maintained by museums driving around and F-16's strafing targets and dropping bombs. This year it's on Sunday the 25th of June, normally it's held on either the 3rd or 4th Sunday in June, the week after "Danish Air Show" in Karup.
Love your videos man. My 2 cents worth, I believe such End-User-Certification laws are common place with regards to military hardware ranging from MBTS, small arms and even the bolts and nuts (as long as its NSN is listed). This is to prevent said items from falling into the wrong hands
Just so you know, 90 percent of what he says about Ukraine is misinformation and dimwitted propaganda. The guy uses the Ukraine subreddit for sources ffs.
It's also important to mention that poland could have send an official request to send leopards to ukraine but they never actually did. And if somebody says, well they didn't do it because then germany would look bad when they decline. Well estland did request to send german artillery to ukraine in the early days of the war and germany denied it. The netherlands requested to send pf3 to ukraine, the request was denied. And germany requested to send gepard ammo made in switzerland yo ukraine and the rewuest was denied. The truth is, poland liked to use that in their election campains but they never wanted to send leopard tanks alone. Otherwise they would have made the official request. And the germany never send any war equipment alone, they always waited for france and/or usa to also send equipment.
isnt the blowoff panel only for the protected ammunition in the back hull of the turret. The Tank is also still operable if his in the ammo storage in the back of the turret, the blow out panel makes it possible for the tank to be saved
A M1A2 SEPver3 mechanic said that gas turbine of Abrams has less parts than a diesel engine od Leopard 2 and that everything was designed to be replaced as easy as possible. He also said it runs on everything, and is actually pretty effective for its purpose and not hard to keep fueled. The mechanics of the tank can not be the issue here, only electronics, which is far more advanced and complicated, but the same is for Leopard 2. The biggest issue for AFU will be learning NATO tactics of combined operations and using the full potential of superior situational awareness, target finding and acquisition, precision, ammunition, … This takes more time than to learn how to change a faulty module inside or outside the tank or the entire engine.
Most mechanics understand a normal piston engine, gas turbine is something new to learn. And this "not hard to keep fuelled"? it uses more fuel, simple as, more strain on logistics.
Having the tool, and knowing it's use and capability are 2 vastly different things. The breakup in logistical support, inventory and training on different platforms is a difficult one. Then couple this to integration in the current battle sphere. A few tanks is great, but integrating them into the massive undertaking in ukraine is hard enough when variety outpaces inventory and support. The Abraham's in any variant has a complex logistical and support mechanism. The down time for repair and calibration is a massive undertaking. The leopard system is designed for a simpler and easier use to repair factor. When trained, a crew of conscripted soldiers can remember basic skills and use with complete retention over a longer period as the core of the system was designed insuch manner. The Abraham's, and the much vaunted challenger 2, have quite complex repair and logistical needs. In the case of the challenger, it's purely numbers. There truly aren't enough. And with the Abraham's, it's complex maintenance and alignment issues. So while a few well trained crews is nice. The leopard, is made for the European battle sphere. And surrounding countries (Poland...ie) have facilities for maintenance and repair.
According to competitive testing of both plattforms, e.g. the Swedish trials in the 90s,, Leopard 2 was more maintenance heavy, while the Abrams was slightly easier to repair and maintain.
The notion that Europe and North America can flood Ukraine with various armored targets of multiple variety with a workable logistics base only exists in an uninformed invention of lunatic proportions at this late stage of the war. NATO's hand wringing, toe in the water, reliance on air cargo delivery has only allowed Ukraine to go from bad to worse to destroyed. 🐻👩🔧🇺🇸/👁️\🇷🇺
@@craftpaint1644 Why? Nothing more but a myth. In WW2 all war factions operated dozens of different tank types, various guns and ammunition calibers, many variants of vehicles and different fuels and managed to do this successful, most of the time, even without computers and modern technology. Why is this not supposed to work again in Ukraine? Sure, it is a challenge, but not an impossible one.
Catching up on all the mechanized weapons systems thanks to you.. The last one I had was a M-113 in 78... lol, had a big red cross on it.. But now with the Ukraine ww3 thing I am trying to get back up to speed...
I’ve never served in the Military so I could be wrong, but I feel like the logistics and maintenance behind all this new, foreign equipment is gonna be Ukraines biggest issue to overcome. Training to operate them in combat is one thing but the ability and knowledge of how to fix and maintain them seems like a while other issue that requires facilities, equipment and personnel.
You are right that tanks (and artillery) are among the most logistics-intensive things which exist in the world. Especially the early Abrams tanks which have only a turbine engine and no auxiliary power generator drinks fuel like crazy - thankully they've retrofitted and upgraded the active Abrams tanks with APUs.
True, but armies in other wars throughout history had to deal with even more complex supply chains and maneged to pull it off. It adds a lot of complexity and pressure for the logistics, but isn't impossible.
@@dnocturn84 In fact a lot of the motivation to develop precision guided munitions wasn't just to reduce collateral damage - its main purpose was to slim down the logistics train. If you need to ship less shells to the front, you need less trucks, less fuel for those trucks, you present less targets to the enemy, etc.
At least they've got workshops across the border in NATO territory which are safe from Russian missile strikes. The Poles can help a lot with the Leopard 2, since they operate those tanks themselves. Of course they can't ship everything to the other end of the country for repairs, but it's still a perk.
Nah not rly shy of approving other nations requests. They just did not enter an offical request even after ministers stated that it would not get denied
For the leopard its realy important how to use them. Trained with a lot of different natuons using them and many use them wrong. I hope ukraine gotta manage to use them and the marder together. Tanks need infantry Support
As far as I’m aware the leopard isn’t meant to be used as an first line engaging vehicle but due to its superior gun,movement and electronics to detect and destroy any enemies before being noticed and afterwards change positions with its excellent mobility before being engaged it heavily relies on infantry support to be able to play it designated and designed role
as far as nato doctrine goes, the main battle tank in general is definitely meant to enforce a breakthrough in first line by force - against opposing tanks, armoured vehicles, fortified positions, etc.. what you refer to are the battlefield tactics that are to be applied - and in which the leopard (1+2) excel with their mobility: operate from cover, rush into firing positions, apply pressure, retreat and reposition. by doctrine, nato tanks are mandatory to be deployed with infantry support - especially infantry fighting vehicles, that is. but according to a 'combined arms doctrine' that as well should include artillery and close air support by helicopters or various ground attack aircrafts.
You are calling the diesel "Gas" lol, you mentioned the leopard tank had a diesel engine and then went on to say how many miles it could go on a full tank of "gas" 😂 your goofy and i love it lol
Poland already has training grounds completed and ready for the Abrams and I am sure they have the Leopard 2 training incorporated. The Ukrainians can train fairly quickly on the tanks even if they dont get a complete combined arms NATO style course, so I bet the Leopards from Poland arrive much sooner than March. The Polish know the horrors or Russian occupation and I see in the not too distant future as likely having one of the strongest militaries in Europe. We (USA) are already heavily investing there when it comes to military prepositioning and that was before Feb 2022 invasion.
Hello, everyone! I would like to say a few words, ok maybe a few more, because the subject has gotten quite exciting to me. It's not meant to be hate or mean towards anyone, just my opinion as a German and ex-soldier. The whole world is crying out that Germany should deliver weapons and take a leadership role! This is the same world that Germany and us Germans have portrayed or referred to as Nazis over and over again at every opportunity, in every imaginable form, on vacation and even in TV series and films and has been doing so since the end of World War II. Even here in Germany, the German soldier is looked at funny when he walks through the city in uniform or sits on the train. Germany has made many mistakes in its history and these must not be forgotten under any circumstances, but at some point these Nazi comparisons or ifentifications German~Nazi must come to an end. Germany is so trying not to cause the slightest hint of a thought of possible similarities to this dark time that the whole country lives under a mental lid. Going back to the tanks, it's certainly understandable that this is one of the things that made the German government act the way they did. Furthermore, Germany also takes a risk when it delivers modern weapon systems to a war zone, which in the event of loss gives the opponent the opportunity to capture the latest technology and electronics, some of which are still classified as secret (this should also be considered when delivering from other countries!!) . Next and topical point, the Bundeswehr itself is having major problems keeping its operational readiness and bringing it to an acceptable level in order to be able to fulfill its obligations in NATO, everyone can read about that in the news! We can't do it the way we'd like, it just has to be understood. Rheinmetall has to replenish the Bundeswehr's inventories, process new orders and then get stored vehicles back into a condition suitable for use - it's not that easy and, above all, not all at once. I wish and begrudge Ukraine every tank, every rifle and every round of ammunition it can get to drive the invaders out of its country, but it cannot be that Germany is almost exclusively responsible for this. I have never heard from any Ukrainian politician that France, Italy, Spain, Greece were pressured so massively to deliver their tanks, because some of these countries also have significantly more vehicles than we do. Think about it! I'm sorry for this novel, but I just had to get that out! Best regards from Germany and Slava Ukrainia!
Because Scholz was blocking the export of Leo 2 from other countries that was why Germany was under so much pressure. If there is a reliable tank in large numbers in Europe capable of defeating Russian tanks, ( the Leo 2) I would also like Zelensky be begging for it.Remember the Ukrainians have lost 449 tanks in combat and the rest must be worn out. Obviously in 1941 Germany was the aggressor, in 2022 Russia is the aggressor, two obviously different situations. If the Leo 2 had arrived last year perhaps the successful Ukrainian September counter-offensive would have gone much further .
@@Dinitroflurbenzol Everyone knows the Poles and Spain were blocked from sending their Leos. The Poles sent their own T-72s and PT-91, but were prevented from sending Leos. Not everything happens "officially".
@@chrisconolly4256 Good Morning all! Thank you for your opinion Chris! Again, Germany had its reasons, which I have also listed for you, these also apply to deliveries from other countries. Then there are the reasons that we don't even know because they are secret. The Ukraine has certainly lost many tanks, but in return it has also received a large number of Russian-made tanks from Europe for which Germany has or will supply Leopard tanks and other vehicles/systems as replacements, for example. Only 1 country asked to deliver Leopard tanks and that was Poland and that was only a few days ago, so nobody asked for permission, but only talked about it in the press that you might, maybe if it fits tanks want to deliver! For you there may be a difference between 1939 and today, for us Germans there isn't! War is war and hopefully we will never again go to war waving flags and shouting salvation (figuratively speaking). Also mentioned again, there are countries that have so far provided little or no help for Ukraine and some of these countries are significantly larger and equipped with a significantly larger modern military than we do. We have already supplied the most modern artillery, radar, minelayer, air defence, etc., at some point it will just end. Warm greetings
If I remember right, the german government has since also comitted to sending over 100 Leopard 1 to Ukraine roughly a week ago. Now, the Leopard 1 is of course a bit of an old timer, it's from the 60's, after all, and it certainly isn't gonna win a 1v1 against T72's, but I've heard some statements that it might still come in useful just due to the sheer amount of them and since it's still gonna be big and heavy enough to take out IVF's with relative ease.
Nice map of Germany you showed there. Inter war borders, a man of culture that infantry veteran. Cappy is so excited about Germany's support for Ukraine, he wants to give the Germans parts of Poland and Russia out of gratitude I guess
What is there special in Poland, so everyone wants it's territory ? There is the coast of a bathtube called Baltic Sea, large European plains, and a small strip in the south of the Carparthian mountains. Not much to see there.
@@KarlReimerGodt good farming land and lots of room for heavy industry which the lazy poles dont use. Here in germany we are heavily running out of space. And preussen/prussia region is just one of our historic Homelands since 3000 years now
"Weaknesses" well they are all vulnerable nowadays. It's their accuracy and firepower that matter because all tanks can be taken out by modern weapons. Having great optics and fire control is what makes one good. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to make a tank that can withstand a 30mm and is fast and has great guns with IR optics and fire control. Because you can't give them enough protection so being fast maneuverable might be better than heavy lumbering giants that are good targets for missiles.
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Now let's be honest, I've heard practically nothing about the campaign in Germany.
Even the demonstrators in front of the Bundestag were not exactly many.
According to the polls, until recently the majority was against the Leopard, so I can understand some of the reasons.
But now it has happened and that is good.
Lades you used a map of the German Empire at ca. 05:00 🙂. I think our Polish neighbours won't be happy about that ;-).
@Hshs Bshs yup....this shit will make no difference
@@briddl1305 *ITS HAPPENING!*
also funny how he used a map that doesn't have Ukraine on it to talk about sending tanks to Ukraine...
@hshsbshs3359 hi gay
Just a little correction, the law was not made for the leopards, it is technically applied to all german weapons exports. Fromm leopard down to sidearm and bullets.
good call ! 👍
Most western nations have similar rules.
Hence the helmets
@@jimmiller5600 yes Germany also had to get it for Patriot from the Usa
Plus H&K hates you.
Turkey's Leopard 2 tanks were at some point meant to be modernized to a higher specification but due to various problems in negotiating this, the Turkish Leopard tank were instead to be upgraded by a local arms manufacturer. Turkish tanks had not yet gone through this process of upgrading to what they designate Leopard 2A4TR, at the time of their use in Syria. This also makes it difficult to make a direct comparison with other Leopard 2, as only Turkey operates this variant.
Also, Erdogan got rid of the well-trained tankers when they were involved in an attempted coup and send the Leopards to Syria with with inexperienced crews.
@@SarcasticFinn And no infantry...
@@SarcasticFinn Ukraine tankers are hardly gonna be experienced after few month of training
The Turkish Leopards were not Modernized and were just simple 2a4's .
@@zadovrus1624 they will surely train their experienced tankers on the Leo..
I was a Gunner on an M1 and the M1A1 in Germany from 85-90. The Leo2 as we called was as good if not better than the M1. Very solid. This mixed with the supposed addition of the M1A1 all using the same 120mm ammo helps logistics. I think it’s a good move. Plus both operate with similar awareness electronics.
i was a gunner and driver on the leo2a6. the high res thermals, on both leo and m1 is just gonna be such a massive advantage, along with ballistic computers and stabilizations and all
its not actually hard to hit a moving target with the leo 2 while you are moving yourself, even at night at 2km distance. Just aim, laze, track one second, pull the trigger, the computer is gonna make you hit almost guaranteed
Both tanks have been fielded in environments devoid of the support mechanisms and complementary systems with which they were designed previously - both were proven hunks of metal containing intelligent bags of liquid. This time they will be in an environment where their enemy has force cohesion and all the complimentary systems - envisioning some game changing capability is self deception.
@@BrownBabyJesus Why do you think that Ukrainians would do the same shit that has been done before again?
They get Bradleys and Marders, they already have the artillery systems and Gepards plus a ton of advisors. They might be poor as f... but their edjucation standard and their ambition to learn are a completelly different story.
If you think they are as incompetent to field them in a useful way you have a wrong image of the people living there and you might deceive yourself.
@@FoxRoxification : Yes the people living there are white slavic is that the point you are trying to make, I believe so. But we have seen that is a war against Russia and very soon the Russian people are going to realise that and demand more brutality from Putin which he should dash out on Ukraine.
@BrownBabyJesus : I understand what you are saying. Alot of right wing fascist around the world are having a field day supporting their brother in Ukraine .The Most High is going to support Russia because Russia is fighting a just and noble war against those western Evildoers.
At 8:47 one of the coolest features of this tank is shown: in case of engine failure, a recovery vehicle can shlep out a spare engine and swap it within 15 minutes, in the field.
Never going to happen, they are going to leave it and run away. What kind of monkey would waste 15 min inside artillery crosshairs?
@@antoniohagopian213 It won't be like a quick change barrel but maybe leave the tank temporarily. Let the other units clear the situation and then get the new engine and rejoin the fight or drive back for more repairs. Still easier than being towed to the nearest base.
@@antoniohagopian213 Not all breakdowns happen in combat.
They will need a revovery vehicles, somebody to operate it mechanics and so on
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD but most do
The biggest advantage of the Leopard 2 over challenger, le clerc or Abrams is that Poland operates and can provide depot level maintenance for the Leopard without any additional maintenaner training or logistics lines. Poland is already doing depot level maintenance and refurb of Ukrainian and donated Russian equipment.
Just more reasons for Russia to start bombing Poland.
Poland actually operates more Abrams IIRC....
EDIT: technically correct... but only by three (250 M1A2 Sep V3 to 247 LEO2PL)
@@dopecat15 - that would definitely bring a quick end to the war in Ukraine...although, at the expense of life as we know it.
@@Whiskey11Gaming they only have like 14 abrams rn they will get those 250 ober the next few years
It also helps that the Leopard 2 is an easier to operate tank than the Abrams. The Leo 2 uses an easier to maintain diesel engine and drivers controls are just like a car, the Leo 2 was designed to be effective when crewed by European reservist soldiers who may only train on the tank once every year or two, the Abrams was designed to be effective when operated by highly trained professional full time soldiers.
As a former Leopard 2 A6 (A2 and M+) tank commander and platoon leader I can just say: what makes the leopard superior is not the technical advantage, it’s the training of the crew. The tank just only works with German tank doctrine. Without, it’s just a heavy, static target for ATGMs, like in Syria. I hope the ukraine soldiers will be trained well. If they learn German tank doctrine, Russia will run out of tanks fast.
Its a maneuver tank, not a battle tank.
Panzer HURRA! Greetings from a former gunner on the 2A6 :)
Yeah it’s not looking very good right now.
Well there is nothing more difficult than breaking throw an mine obstacle. On maneuvers it was the most terrible thing to do. In reality we know now it’s absolutely horror.
@@DJ1573oh it is certainly good at battling
"Spilling a drop of beer would be blasphemie in Germany" - as a German, I can 100% confirm that statement! ✅
If you spill it then you lick it?
Man, it used to get loose...
3L of milk as punishment
Well, it will be nice to know that your mug of beer will be delivered to you unspilled on the battlefield.
Don't know... I've been to beer halls in Germany and the servers always spill when serving. Good time though. 😉
What about spilled blood of Ukrainians? Hundreds of raped women and children? Germany has blocked weapons for Ukraine and the most of Germans support this stupidity. What do you think about this?
The beer test is just about the most German thing ever.
In the Russian version they strap a conscript to the end of the barrel and threaten to shoot him if he spills any vodka
Considering the hazing techniques prominent in their army, I think it is safe to assume that the method of attaching the conscript to the barrel is different from strapping and involves lube
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Yeah but if they really wanted to impress me that would have been a bratwurst on the end... Maybe just a little mustard....
"In the Russian version they strap a conscript to the end of the barrel and threaten to shoot him if he spills any vodka" - I woud beleave it.
@@sergeykostenko6616 or doesn't.
A Canadian Leopard C2 (an upgraded and modified Leopard 1 (technically a Leopard 1A5 turret mated with a Leopard 1A3 hull) in Canadian service) with MEXAS add on armor once was hit by an IED in Afghanistan back in 2007.
It had 2 injured crew, but both were able to return to service, and the tank itself was perfectly fine.
A month later, we got Leopard 2A4's (upgraded to Leopard 2A4M CAN) and Leopard 2A6 (Leopard 2A6M CAN).
The Leopard 2 family are absolute beasts in combat, and if used correctly, they'll be causing Russian soldiers to wake up in a cold sweat for the rest of their lives.
Ukraine had over 2,500 tanks before Russia invaded on Feb. 24th. Most of them have been destroyed. These Leopards 2s and will be destroyed by 152mm artillery shells just like all of Ukraine's other donated junk.
A British Chally 2 was hit with around 70 rounds of PG7V from RPG7's near Basra. The tank remained mobile but they had pretty much zero situational awareness as all the sights and periscopes were smashed. All 4 crew survived though they were shaken up a bit.
Wouldn't be the first time german tanks scared the shit out of Russians
@@coreylawrence6473 But than they landed in Kubinka museum near Moscow
@@coreylawrence6473 Napoleon didn't learn and the Germans didn't learn and the Americans who were just beaten by camel jockeys think they can win?
Just a a little correction from Germany, the map which can be seen at 5:02 is not quite up to date. Germany is actually quite a bit smaller since WW2. Keep up the good work thanks for your content!
Ich hab auch gut gelacht
Ouch! Using that map in Germany would get you in all kinds of trouble and rightly so. It's on par with showing a 'Reichskriegsflagge' instead of the black red gold flag of the Federal Republic of Germany. Since the Ukraine war is all about redrawing maps, let's take a little more care when displaying borders.
I was hoping someone else would notice. :D
Most germans dont seem bothered by that, but i dont wanna make our european neighbors nervous 😜
Optimale Karte, gibt's doch nix dran auszusetzen.
@@holgerlinke98 Was soll der Scheiß? Wohin so ein dämliches Gelaber führt sieht man doch gerade in der Ukraine. Mein Opa kam aus Schneidemühl und hat seine Heimat verloren aber er hat trotzdem gecheckt dass dies jetzt zu Polen gehört. Werd erwachsen!
We actually have some reliable, however a bit old, data on both the export M1A2 Abrams and the Leo2 Improved. In the early 90s Sweden had the exported M1A2, Leo2 Imp and Leclerc on trial. What Sweden found was that the Leo2 Imp was superior in off road mobility, engaging targets and survivability. The Abrams had better communications and command systems and also won the maintenance category. The Abrams also consumed twice the amount of fuel as the Leo2.
So... Going by that (almost 30 years old data, that must be said) Ukraine really wants the Leo2s. And with so many European countries capable of providing spareparts and fuel and ammunition and training, it really is the best choice for Ukraine.
The US provided its Abrams simply to convince the Germans to send Leo2s to Ukraine. The US isn't interested in shipping tanks at all. US tanks are not important here. German tanks are important. German tanks has the established logistics in place and German tanks have proven their worth when compared to the export Abrams in severe testing
One fact people don't realize is that all export models of the Abrams do not have the depleted uranium (DU) armor as the American tanks do. The DU armor is top secret, not even Australia, Saudi Arabia ect. have received tanks with the DU armor. The Abrams Poland will be receiving also will not have the DU armor.
I would think that for US it would be very much in their interest to ship over as many Abrams as they can to Europe. Not to Ukraine but in an attempt to backfill the tanks supplied to Ukraine to those countries that donates tanks. Then those countries will be invested into Abrams program and money will start rolling in.
Don't forget, Canada was the first country to bring tanks as part of the international mission in Afghanistan, providing valuable combat information of the Leopard 2's performance in difficult terrain and against irregular forces. Canada also made numerous alterations to the tank, which have since been integrated into the modern variants.
@@woodwardscreditcard7482....I'm sure they've been talking about it. I wonder how much of the M1s logistics are still prepositioned in Europe.
Of course the Leo won. The lighter tanks always win those European competitions. The only thing the Abrams has over the Leo is frontal armor. They are both great tanks, they can both hit targets at 5000m.
Re-Export licences are common in weapons sales in pretty much every country. The weapons are licenced to one country, and cannot be re-exported or moved to other countries without the consent of the original weapons maker, this is to stop weapons ending up in the 'wrong hands'....
Re-export licences are common... also because producer / prior owner is expected to invoke them sparingly.
"Wrong hands" (read without the original country and its industries getting a slice of the pie for resell). Because lets face it that is what it really is by and large.
The licenses are also about protecting the technical secrets of the weapon as well as human rights issues (hence refusal to upgrade turkey's tanks)
A little correction to the statement of Rheinmetall: After they said, that the first Leopards would only be ready by early 2024, Rheinmetall later stated, that out of the 22 Leopard 2s in stock (btw 2A4s not the new 2A7) 10-15 could be ready by mid to late 2023. The majority of the 88 older Leopard 1A5s could be made operational within the next eight to twelve months.
Another 29 Leopard 2A4s that are meant for the Czech Republic and Slovakia would be ready by April 2023.
Also the Ammo fired by the Leopard 2 is mostly either the DM33 or the DM53 that was specifically developed for the Rh120mm L55 used on the 2A6 . Oh and I think you meant DM43 not DM42 ;)
The DM33 (for the 2A4s) would be able to pen around 480mm RHA at 0° from 2000m, the DM43A1 around 560mm and the DM53 is reported to be able to penetrate around 640mm of RHA.
Those for Slovakia and Czech Rep are not meant for Ukraine however.
KMW, not Rheinmetall.
That's correct, the boss of Rheinmetall said they are able to restore all the junk they have until next year, not some of them. This included upgrading some L1 to L2 as far I understood. This means dissembling the thing, replace what is needed (the armor first), change completely the analog electronics with digital modern electronics, practically building a new tank from the scraps of an old tank.
@@scratchy996 Nope, the Leopards in storage are owned by Rheinmetall not KMW
@@petrumoldovan2598 The Leopard 1 cannot be upgraded to the Leopard 2. Its a completly different Tank. The L1 can only be upgraded to more modern optics and electronics, but the 1A5 is the last and most modern Leopard 1 to enter service and will most likley not be upgraded any further. It already uses similar electronics and optronics, e.g the Fire control system is the EMES 18, a adapted version of the FCS used by the Leopard 2A4 with a stabilized main telescopic sight and a laser rangefinder, but without the weapon tracking system.
Another change was the preparation to mount the Leopard 2's Rh120mm L44 cannon (but it's also unlikely, that Rheinmetall will upgrade the 1A5 with the L44)
As a German: This is a very detailed analysis of the current situation. Well done (also the political aspects)
In the end it's similar to a computer game. Equipment is only one part of the success, so hopefully our Leo's will help.
The rest of success is skill. A good team inside the tank need to manage the battle.
There are people in germany and elsewhere (including Putin) who have the opinion that germany is still occupied.
From the german basic law (a substitute for a constitution):
GG Article 120
[Occupation costs - Burdens resulting from the war]
(1) The Federation shall finance the expenditures for occupation costs and other internal and external burdens resulting from the war, as regulated in detail by federal laws. To the extent that these war burdens were regulated by federal laws on or before 1 October 1969, the Federation and the Länder shall finance such expenditures in the proportion established by such federal laws. Insofar as expenditures for such of these war burdens as neither have been nor will be regulated by federal laws were met on or before 1 October 1965 by Länder, municipalities (associations of municipalities) or other entities performing functions of the Länder or municipalities, the Federation shall not be obliged to finance them even after that date. The Federation shall be responsible for subsidies towards meeting the costs of social security, including unemployment insurance and public assistance to the unemployed. The distribution of war burdens between the Federation and the Länder prescribed by this paragraph shall not be construed to affect any law regarding claims for compensation for consequences of the war.
Art. 146
Dieses Grundgesetz, das nach Vollendung der Einheit und Freiheit Deutschlands für das gesamte deutsche Volk gilt, verliert seine Gültigkeit an dem Tage, an dem eine Verfassung in Kraft tritt, die von dem deutschen Volke in freier Entscheidung beschlossen worden ist.
Article 146
[Duration of the Basic Law]
This Basic Law, which, since the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany, applies to the entire German people, shall cease to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect.
The official site the translation from german to english of article 146 isn`t one to one and can be missleading.
My translation:
This Basic Law, which, after the achievement of the unity and freedom of Germany applies to the entire German people, ceases to apply on the day on which a constitution freely adopted by the German people takes effect.
Not to forget things like the cleansing (to my understanding the US army did it to the town one of my grandmothers was from (Purschau in the County of Tachau) and that pretty much all points of the hague convention, geneva convention and UN genocide convention get ignored when it comes to germany and the german people.
Supposedly "german" law was followed when the german foregin intelligence agency was caught working with the US to directly spy on the german Bundeskanzler (Merkel at that time) and the goverment. First it was a big scandal, then it was said it was legal and the rest blacked out.
Just look at the Northstream 2 pipeline. The german goverment even refuses to inform the german parlament on what they know. There are a lot of fingers pointing in a certain direction including Joe Bidens.
There is even more. supposedly most of the german ecomomy (DAX traded companies) are owned from outside from germany. primary france, the UK and US.
In addition to that a former head of intelligence from australia so (of the "Five Eyes") said that germany is one if not THE primary target of their agencies.
It`s also not only illegal for germany to prosecute but to investigate warcrimes comitted by the allies between 1939 and 1948/49 while others still go to jail over things regarding the ww2 timeframe, even if they haven`t been born back then. SO there isn`t even equality under the law.
There are a lot of such things out there.
The whole post ww2 order is based on the following:
International military tribunal charter
Article 19.
The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.
Article 20.
The Tribunal may require to be informed of the nature of any evidence before it is entered so that it may rule upon the relevance thereof.
Article 21.
The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.
It`s from the nuremberg trials. German guilt for Katyn has been established there and there very high ranking critics on it at that time (e.g. US surpreme court chief justice at that time Harlan Fisk Stone).
Why do i risk legal trouble and even jail for saying the same things that Yad Vashem in Israel, the USholocaustmuseum and leading jewish historians
(Yehuda Bauer, Raul Hillberg and David Cesarani) and other mainstream historians (e.g. Jean-Claude Pressac) say/said, not even speaking about the revisionists because all of those mentioned say different things for which germans were tried, imprisoned and executed for and still risk jail over.
Most recently (in the last few years( the USholocaustmuseum seems to have stated things about Majdanek that go against what the staff there says and what germans were tried, imprisoned and executed for.
Older, simmilar cases, that now get ignored are Bergen Belsen, Dachau and Buchenwald.
It has been admitted to torture to get confessions and to get stuff on others at this trials. If you are interested in this look at Bad Nenndorf, the London Cage and the Simpson Army Comission which investigated some of this claims and found them credible (Malmedy trial). This comission even made it in front of the US goverment but i don`t think anything came from it.
thanks for the tanks
@@mrd7067 "There are people ...still occupied."
You're right. Some really believe it; others use it as propaganda.
The fact, that Putin knows Germany, speaks German very well will lead to the conclusion, that in his case it's simple propaganda
I personally do not feel oppressed or occupied in any way. However, I have to discuss major decisions with my wife beforehand 😁
Fritz, good move ? Last time Tigers ventured in these parts ended not so good for germany. Or 3rd time the charm ? 🤣
@Abhijeet Kundu Yes, I am really German. I am glad that I am not responsible for the decision whether we send Leos or not, and I am sure that it is also a hard decision for our Chancellor Scholz. I don't want to do his job.
When I weigh the pros and cons, I personally agree with it and I really hope they help. In my utopia, they won't be needed for any fight and Putin will back off considering the Western tank supplies, but unfortunately I don't believe in that.
Dude took a little two week vacation and has been pumping the videos back out!
Get this man a shield
2 weeks, eh? Must have been one long reach around.
With as it seems s lot of inaccuracies
@@dopecat15 hahah difficult to find
Yes, there are TWO different successive "Leopard" tanks, the old Leopard 1 [A5] (lightly armored, high mobility, rifled 105mm gun) and the more modern Leopard 2 [A4+] (good armor, good mobility, excellent smoothbore 120mm gun). Media wrongfully keep throwing those two into the same box as "the Leopard".
Similar to the M1 there are a ton of variations depending on module and software differences.
But Germany never blocked other countries from sending their tanks.
They just never got an official request from countries like Poland or Finnland to send tanks.
Remember, it's not about the design as much as it is about the modifications installed. People keep complaining about Russian tanks being old and from the 70's, when all NATO tanks are from the same era. I've seen those discussions way too many times
Great point. People don't realize that it's kind of like having your old pc but with a new motherboard, graphics card, etc but upgraded one piece at a time and still in the same case.
Although, I have heard criticism about general ww2 era weaponry being sent or used by Ukraine and the orcs. Some of it is still effective for sure, some... Not so much. Also, mocking the orcs for using the tanks from the cold War while they were claiming they had all this new stuff.
@@Skarry well the .50 cal was made before ww2 and M3 is copy of MG42 with reduced fire rate. so some of the old weapons still work very well for the task they were made. but others like mosint rifles are maybe best used for hunting or target practice. just like some T72 version/moidifcations are actually very modern and their biggest issue is the ammo position it seems. i mean you have those with changed engine, armour, various electronics added including stabilization etc.
@@Skarry "orcs", are they fighting Middle Earth too?
Most of the Russian tanks are actually newer the primary T90 moderate models are from the 90s and most numerous T72 model is actually from the last decade. The leopard and Abrams about end of 1970s designs and the latest upgrades on the leopard was in the 80s last upgrade on the Abrams was right at the start of the 90s last upgrade on the Challenger was also in the 80s the only somewhat modern Western tank is actually the French one which came out in the 90s everything else is soviet era even in its latest incarnations.
@@Thurgosh_OG Nah, they just behave like that fictional race
"some version or the Leopard does not have Explosive Reactive Armor"
Small correction here: None of them have.
Actually, some of the classified upgrades include explosive reactive armour, but it isn't specified where.
@@matthewgillies7509 lol u are niave if u think german is going to send classified upgrades in ucraine
@@anxietydisorders5917 I speaking about Canada's modifications to the tank. It remains to be seen if the four that Canada is sending next month will be the regular or upgraded versions.
Fun fact: The DM63, introduced in 2005, uses a propellant, thats difficult to ignite by getting hit. So that and the fire suppression system would render the hull ammo issue almost solved.
I like how the map used for Germany was the pre WWII map
Noticed that as well 😳
and it matters so so sooooo much.. for some reason maybe
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti it's still just a background graphic that appears for a couple of seconds
@@peabody3000 using a map from 2023 is not so hard, thats all.
@@udozocklein6023 it's stock footage of an old globe used for 2 seconds, it simply doesn't matter
Just a small correction, even the leopards variant with "short" barrels can shoot the newer APFSDS round with a small reduction in muzzle velocity.
One small correction not U!kraine, but ukrAine, accent on A
Rheinmetall wants to use DU rounds. There is a lot of hype around this ammunition. It's safe.
They could also use the American ammo that keep the penetration high with the shorter barrel by using depleted uranium.
@SlappyTheElf yep, depleted uranium is a special sauce. The properties of uranium mean it's a self sharpening material, so the better the armor, the sharper it gets, which means it can easily defeat Russian armor. Abrams use depleted uranium for armor which literally means the faster and harder it gets hit, the harder the armor gets. It's lovely looking at the physics behind modern armor
@@saltyfloridaman7163 The Koreans developed a self sharpening Tungsten perpetrator for the K2 Black Panther. I think it involved tempering the tip and building layers and tempering 28 times. It's still not as good as DU but a big improvement. Seems to add 200mm penetration.
A nice fireplace
The hull ammo storage isn’t so odd. Many western designed tanks had ammo storage in the hull, even the Abrams has a small hull ammo storage area though it isn’t used for ammo all that often. Besides some of the thickest armor being on the front of the tank they were intended to be used from hull down positions. That way it can’t be hit in the first place.
It may not be 'odd', but it's a well-known No-No for all designs going forward now.
Emphasis on the "western designed tanks *_HAD_* ammo storage in the hull"
Edit: you are absolutely correct about the hull down positions though. NATO cold war doctrine & arms design has always been focused on fighting from the defense (why we so love our berm drills), particularly along the Rhine, hence almost no amphibious designs and a focus on heavier armor and NBC survival. The whole point was to stop a Soviet WW3 doctrine Iron Fist advance, and Nuclear Retaliation was expected to be the only truly offense, not a mechanized/combined arms assault into Soviet turf.
The hull storage was for the original 105mm Abrams. It was deleted with the 120mm gun; one reason was the larger size of the 120mm cartridge.
DM 63 rounds have a very low chance to explode or catch fire when hit but its a very modern round after DM73 (DM63 with more powerful explosive charge) and DM73Neo and I would doubt it would be sent to Ukraine
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing Berm drill has been a part of US and British tank doctrine since WW2, it's why western MBTs are so tall, to give enough gun depression to operate hull down. Even WoT captured it spot on, US tanks in the game even are the best at fighting hull down.
@petesheppard1709, The M1A1 had storage for 6 120mm rounds in the hull. In 3/35 AR, 1AD (Bamberg Germany) we carried sabot rounds there because it was almost impossible to get HEAT rounds out due to their length. Geez, learn a bit before commenting. I was a platoon leader/XO in the battalion for 4 1/2 years.
4:59 that moment when you use a pre ww2 map to show off current geopolitical events
i am sure this is on purpose.
I was about to say the same thing.
I'm suprised the Netherlands was mentioned at 3:24 but not Spain considering we are one of the main and biggest users of the Leo 2. In fact we locally produced our 239 Leopard 2E (modernized Leo 2A6), by Santa Bárbara Sistemas. We also have 108 2A4, of which we're sending 53 to Ukraine.
Exactly, in NL we don''t even OWN any Leopards, we lease / hire them.... Our whole tank battalion is sold because we didn't believe our tanks wouldn't matter if EU would be attacked Germany has enough tanks to lend to us.... So we can''t even help Ukraine because of the lease contract with Germany. The only thing we have right now is "Air Power" with the few 5th gen F-35's. Its ridiculous management of our government...
@@bartbroekhuizen5617 I mean come on, i cant even think of anybody in germany or in the netherlands who want to fight each other, so why not share army? Even if the soldiers dont speak each others language, they possibly will understand each other, lol.
@@SolixxOne Costs offcourse its mostly cheaper to own your own assets then leasing them, and i am gonna miss the Army demonstrations in the Netherlands. Owning something gives more pride then leasing a tank. And im also not very much Pro EU to have a EU army... Culture is something to be proud of.
THis whole drama was so dumb. The Leopards are not so much better than upgraded T-80s! If Ukraine sacrificed production of their indigenous Oplot for the Leopards, they made a serious strategic blunder. Also, the Kornet has a top-attack ability that will open a Leopard like a tin can. So, smart munitions or ATGMs with top-attack capability, can very easily take advantage of this hull ammo storage. The Leopard, when used, MUST be part of a combined arms attack, advance under cover and have infantry /arty support to suppress ATGM teams.
5:00 funny cause at the time of that map being accurate, Germany would happily send tanks to Ukraine without hesitation... and then a bit further
uff, yeah
4:00 I am sure the "expert" knows that the A4 version and newer versions have different guns. The Abrams has the same gun as the Leopard 2 A4 - the Rheinmetall L/44. The newer Leopards have the L/55 with higher muzzle velocity.
Small nerd correction (8:24) Leopards can't climb 60 "degree" slopes, practically no vehicle can. They can, however, climb 60 "percent" slopes (which comes to around 30 degrees).
Just a note, you said germany privatized their gas industry but technically they took steps to nationalize it. I think you meant that germany now privately controls it, but privatization is actually the opposite of what they did.
Just the gas suppliers that went bankrupt and the ones owned by Russian companies were taken over by the German state. For the others, nothing has changed.
Reminding you of something? Such as from the 1930's.
There are private pipeline operating companies. Private gas storage, private oil and gas companies, private refineries. Nationalization is not a thing here. BUT, the russian gazprom was operating the biggest german gas storage and did not fill it up properly from autumn 2021 on. It was as empty as never before in springtime. Clearly a war preparation from russian side and they were not willing or able to fill it up properly in summer. So, germany took over control there out of national interest. They also changed the management of the refinery at the polish border that was russian operated. They did not seem to make a move towards getting oil from other places than from the russian pipeline or they were not able to make business with other suppliers. The government will privatize it soon enough.
There is a tradition for the government to invest in companies in times of economic problems. Lufthansa was one of them in covid time. Lufthansa bought the shares back as soon as they could since they dont want government fingers in their business.
For few decades now there is that disease of privatising infrastructure like local water supply etc. Some bad experience was made with no maintenance and owner of those companies sending nice holiday cards from tourist paradises that do not turn in criminals.
I posted a critical comment, but it was deleted apparently to protect democracy and freedom of speech
German tanks enter Ukraine
1941: 🤕
2023: 🤩
everyone that was under soviet occupation in 1941 initially saw germans as liberators from soviet yoke. although, only after short while, germans showed their true colors and let people understand that they came as new occupants.
@@liveforever141 Makes you wonder what would have happenend if they really did come as liberators and freed them from the Soviets. Ah well, it is what it is and one can't change history.
@@Schnittertm1 In the end it was one fascist dictatorship for a slightly worse one.
The Ukranians were very happy to see the Soviets go, especially after Holodomor.
Yep. People are hypocrits and they will give you many nonsense jibberish reasons here.
Great job Chris love all this detail which you can't get in the regular media.
Finally, another of the few youtubers who got the difficultys germany was/is facing and understands that it wasn't an easy decision to make and also mentions that germany already is the 3rd biggest supporter for Ukraine in the world (1st in EU with money and military systems/equip, 2nd in world with money).
Nah, our leaders int he moment are fascists themselves, openly voting for Nazism and Rascism in the UN, too.
Sending weapons to Nazis is absolutely no prob for them, they are just cowards on top of that and fear that they will ruin germany with that and people come to hang them later plus of course know, that this will do shit anyway, because it's just some freaking old tanks..
@@miriamweller812 You will find (by number) more of your "Nazis" in the american or russian military than in the ukranian. Those few in the ukranian military are not a priority at the moment. "Yes", they are a problem but one with can be dealed with later.
That’s cause all the Ukraine supporters are rabid and if you don’t give what they feel is good enough then your not doing enough. The Ukrainian supporters are used to getting there way, since majority of them are SJW and used to pressure others into doing what they want. None of these people would grab a gun and kit up and fight. But they’ll be keyboard warriors
Indeed. But it is the right choice; Putin has _never_ kept his word to anything, whether it be starting a fight, halting a fight, deescalating, and so on. At this point, the gloves are off. IMO the West needs to put maximum pressure on him to stop or face destruction - even if it risks nuclear war. He won't stop until he's stopped by force - preferably by his own people.
And yet all still 10s of billions behind the United States...
Did you get a new editor or something in the past few months ? I mean the content was always good, but returning to this channel after some time is seems the quality has increased greatly. Nice job my dude
I like the fact that german tanks still focus on their success story.
Mobility, Communication and Information.
German Tanks might not be perfect, but Germany (and many others) proved multiple times in history that neither quantity nor quality wins wars, but information, coordination and discipline.
Just a small correction:
If compared fairly to contemporary versions the Leopard 2 and M1 are basically the same weight. The confusion here generally comes from US sources stating imperial short tons (1000lb) and international sources stating metric tons (1000kg).
The Leopard 2A7 weights 67.5t, while the M1A2 SEPv3 weights 66.8t. So the Leo is actually is a little bit heavier.
And the Leopard 2A4 weights 55.1t while the M1A1 weights 55.8t. So here the M1 is a little bit heavier.
But both times we are talking about weight differences of only a few percent.
Additionally the maintenance is not as bad for the M1. According the a Swedish test in the late 90s were both of the tanks were compared directly, the M1 is actually easier to maintain than the Leopard 2, especially if you have extensive experience with turbine engines, as Ukraine does.
The higher fuel consumption of the M1 is offset by its multi-fuel capability, which the Leopard 2 lacks. And could be easily mitigated by having the M1s deployed in a more defensive role.
The US could easily do the same as Germany and send about 8% of their active tank stock directly from deployed units. Which would come out to about 350 M1A2 SEPv2 tanks. And they could do the same as Germany and actually gift these armaments to Ukraine, instead of only leasing them out.
The fact that the US is not doing that, is in fact quite shameful for a nation that wants to be the leader of the free world...
M1 abrams consume a lot of fuel while idling, almost as if they were moving. Leopard 2 uses less fuel while idling. So it'd be best to use the Leopard 2 defensively, which is how it was designed in the first place, and the Abrams in the offensive role. Again, they were designed that way.
@@jakdmavika9233 I got that confused. Sometimes I forget that imperial units are full of weird non-decimal conversion factors.
1 short ton = 2000lbs = 908kg = 0.908t
The Leopard motor is multi-fuel capable as well: It can run on (the percentages, I have just heard) at least 60% Diesel (that doesn't need to be of the highest quality, heating oil will do as well) +40% of whatever is a burning fluid
@@thebiologist8662 Abrams now have an APU, thus don't idle much on the main engine. Yes it is a fuel hog, but mainly only when it counts.
My guy it's not that the U.S. is unwilling or unable to provide lots of MBTs like the Abrams, the problem is logistical supply chains. The supply chain for the Abrams or any other legacy MBT system starts in the U.S. literally on the the other side of the planet. Moving such heavy shit as heavy as tanks that far in any appreciable numbers takes months, on top of training personnel, deployment, resupply, spares, etc. While the supply chain for leopards starts in Germany, about a 16 hr drive from Kyiv. Logistical capacity from the U.S. is better spent on lower weight resources that can be moved in high enough numbers to have an appreciable effect on the war MREs, munitions, infantry equipment, humanitarian aid, etc.
"Professionals talk logistics" - General Omar Bradley
That turret appliqué armor on the 2A5 and later makes such a HUGE difference in the tank's appearance and it seems like it should increase the tanks protection considerably.
It does, but only against Russia’s older and shorter sabots. It doesn’t do well against nato long-rod penetrators or Russia’s newer ones (Svinets and later).
This is mainly due to the design of the appliqué armor and how it’s meant to defeat the rounds that attempt to penetrate it.
@@Atourq True. It is ment to let the penetrator stagger and sway in direction but can only do that if it isn't to long and don't have the time to redirect.
@@Atourq especially with russia capturing all the fancy equipment and redeveloping it and sending some to china so china can just directly copy it as they always do.
Sending equipment to this corrupt craphole is just shooting the west into its knee, as its only advantage is technological
@@Atourq im really interested...but do they have this ammo in their tanks now?
@@meinschmerz6074 Not in the older tanks. It takes a rebuild of the carrusel for the autoloader to handle the longer shell. I am uncertain if they managed that with the T-72BV3 from 2016 (please comment?). It is available for the T90 versions they are currently building, perhaps also modernized T80s? Anything Soviet era not modernized since then is unable to handle these sabots.
you're getting closer to 1 million subs, major 👍
Finally some unbiased and accurate reporting. Just straight to the point why and how it works and the politics behind it
Well done, comprehensive and thorough.
One minor failure: At 3:53 you show a Gepard. It ist not a derivate of the leopard 2. It is build on the leopard 1.
So they went to the tank and said “hold my beer”
10:29 Fromm what I remember the Turkish Tanks got destroyed during some a thunder Run without infantry Support. Also a Lot of abandoned Tanks got destroyed by the Turkish Air force
5 of them out of 10 leo got hit with atgm long range 2 IED/mine , 1 mortar , 1 tracks broken , 1 of them damaged from unknow reasons posibly SVBIED attack
No, not a thunder run. They were deployed to the rear as long-range fire-support weapons. They were without infantry support, though artillery in the rear often doesn't have much of that.
@@gagamba9198 how can infantry support change atgms attacks ?? what can infantry do +3km long range attack ?
The contrasting bit of combat performance is found in Canada's successful record of using the Leopards in Afghanistan, which was the first Western country to deploy tanks there.
@@cryptosamet3536 they are coping cus almost every tank suffers the same problem but they are trying to convince themself that german tanks are better just because they are western
I would bet the Ukrainian tankers will learn to use these tanks in 1/3 to 1/2 the time estimated. This people are well educated and extremely motivated.
I just heard an American general say today that if they are already a trained tank crew, they could be brought up to speed in about a month of extensive training. Not sure how accurate that is, but Wesley Clark was a pretty high ranking general, so he probably has a pretty good idea. I would wager that Poland just might have been giving some Ukrainians a bit of a head start…If you noticed, whenever Ukraine has received advanced weapons, they mysteriously know how to use them to great effect immediately. Ukrainians have been training in NATO countries for some time now. I’m pretty sure providing tanks wasn’t a snap decision. I’d bet a fair sum that some of them have been quietly doing some training.
@@richarddoig1865 Poland started training them already confirmed.
@@flummi6966 I figured. Probably not just Poland either. None of the big countries are just going to throw these guys in tanks and send them to the front. First, they want Ukraine to be successful, but they also don’t want to see a disaster involving their main battle tanks. At this point, how do you think the market is for Russian tanks. The same would happen with western tanks if they were crushed. But Ukrainians have been training in England, Poland and the US. Probably Germany too. All of those countries have facilities to train tank crews on a large scale, and lots of simulators to at least get familiar with the electronics. That’s the time consuming part, along with maintenance.
So that's why new recruits are dragged by gangs of police, screaming for mercy as their families beg them to not be taken away!
Can’t wait to see these tanks burn in Ukraine
They are sending Abrams too so that is what changed Germany’s tune because that is what they asked for.
It was the UK saying they were sending 14 Challenger 2s before the big NATO meeting earlier this month, that pushed the issue of sending modern MBTs to Ukraine. Then at the meeting Germany said they would only send tanks if the US put M1A1s into Ukraine and that forced the US to go along with it. It's not like the US can't deploy hundreds of MBTs with only a couple of weeks notice when they really want to.
@@Thurgosh_OG It’s not the Tanks that truly matter though, its all the logistics that come with newer more complicated MBT’s, especially the Turbine driven M1A1 (or whatever variant they send) that is going to potentially cause issues. The Abrams is extremely complicated and thirsty.
Hey Cappy! At 10:56 you state that some versions of the Leopard do not have explosive reactive armor. As far as I know, not a single one has that feature, as the exploding armor could jeopardize the surrounding friendly infantry. Combined arms warfare doctrine works both ways. 😅 Keep it up, buddy! Greetings from Germany… 🙌
Who the hell is Cappy
@@oogie493 Cappy is the guy of tasks and purpose UA-cam channel. Chris Cappy your average infantry man.
Yeah, NATO doesn't seem to like ERA.
NERA and advanced composite armours seem to be more their thing.
It does have explosive armor if you hit it in the front RHS (apparently)
@@MostlyPennyCat WHich is dumb considering the results we've seen from ERA. Look up "T72 survives", ERA is no joke, there's a vid on here of a T72B3 surviving TWO frontal ATGM hits, and there's another clip of a T72B surviving a side hit.
Maintenance, supply and logistics are just as important as the tank crew training
Irony is when the largest, best equipped, and most experienced army in the world really is a Spare Parts Army!
Largest?
Best equipped? You need to watch some interviews of guys actually on the ground there...
Why is the US Army a spare parts army? They regularly drop $50k bombs on tents in some gods forsaken desert
If you ever hit your liver and want to kill yourself in one night what a fun drinking game called take a shot every time you see a Ukrainian soldier with at least one piece of corn gear missing and an extra shot for every piece of mismatch camouflage or equipment. I guarantee you’ll end up in the hospital if not the morgue.
SuperDave - Apparently some people can't accept a really clever Joke. Brava, my Man! Keep them coming.
Rheinmetall owns 22 old Leopard 2A4 not 2A7. 29 more Leopard 2A4 are being refurbished for the Czech Republic and Slovakia.
I heard a short interview with a German politics expert yesterday. He didn't say anything about pressure from other (European) countries to deliver the Leo, rather Germany waited for USA to approve Abrams deliveries aswell. Specifically, it was important for German government to avoid making independent decisions from their allies.
Well he's a 'German political expert', he wouldn't say anything that would make his country look bad or weak. The real pressure came from the British confirming Challenger 2s would be sent, well in advance of the NATO meeting where the US and Germany stepped up.
@@Thurgosh_OG Might be. But it could also be the other way around: Foreign media blaming Germany for their own inability to deliver something of good use. Usually, German media and experts from any field of expertise don't fail to critize German government, quite the opposite, really. Especially when they are associated with a non-government party.
Faster and less armored was the doctrine of the Leopard 1, not the Leopard 2. And the Leopard 1 came from a codevelopment with France which spawned the AMX-30 and the Leopard 1.
Also our APFSDS rounds end on a 3, so it's DM 43. DM 42 would be a hypothetical HEAT round.
Gotta say, the original A4 variant looks badass af. Despite the lesser armor
The vertical front on the turret makes it look kind of like a Tiger tank.
3:05 thats acually true. By the end of the last century every german Househould got some spare Leopard 2s because there were free. I myselfe had over 479 Leopards.
11:02 the kornet missile uses a tandem warhead designed to deal with era so regardless if the tank has it or not it will still destroy it and make it unusable
Thats why APS exists.
APS is used to shoot down ATGMs before they get to you and ERA is used to prevent the ATGMs that do get through from penetrating.
Love that beer stabilisation. I hope our Aussie M1s have it too.
I believe they come with a four burner BBQ attachment point at the rear. Bushmasters are responsible for bringing the chilled beer.
13:02 i love that the guy is smoking right next to the oil pipeline lol
The ammo in the hull doesnt have blow out panels however
If something penetrates a Leopard 2 and manages to set the hull ammo off, the tank will be dead anyway. Even if there was no ammo stored at this location.
Most countries don’t use that storage.
Mr. Cappy your content and analysis has gotten very good. I always liked your videos, but love all the deep dives and detail you are now going into.
The Poland Prime Minister would have broken a contract and would never see a Leopard in their army again. That would‘ve been super stupid
i heard that one of the problems was that nobody submitted the actual official formulas to send them
True. Polands PiS government and private media just wanted to drum up negative headlines
the problem was, poland didn‘t even apply for export permission, until shortly before it was approved. All while screaming about how germany was blocking their tanks.
My guess for what happened is, poland was pressuring germany to provide some of their own tanks, just like Germany was pressuring the US.
And the UK stepped up and said yes, we'll give you some modern MBTs and everyone else followed.
People constantly cite Rheinmetall on the Leopard 2. The Leopard 2 is built by KMW, the gun is coming from Rheinmetall. Rheinmetall just has a side business to make upgrades of existing Leopard 2s and for some reason are a lot more loud mouthed in the media than KMW is. KMW is running the main series upgrade programs, production and maintenance centers.
The weight classes of the Leopard 2 and Abrams is also similar. The newest Abrams and Leopard 2 A7s clock in at above 65 tons. The A4 is lighter because it is 30 year old version with less armor.
I love your channel Chris, and I have been subscribed for a long time. You bring all these international political/military sources of conflict down to a pragmatic grunt level perspective. Onya Cobber (Australia).
One thing about Poland though:
They've never (until recently) filed a formal inquiry in order to be allowed to send Leopards to the Ukraine. They somehow thought that just talking about it, would make Germany give them the go ahead.
The German position was clear from the start: If you ask for permission, as stated in the contract, we will allow it!
While I can somehow understand Poland on this topic, the ruling party really used this whole tank debacle for their election campaign.
8:10 Watching how tracks with many wheels go over a medium wall, is very interesting.
You REALLY need to distinguish between the Leopard (1) and the Leopard 2. Those are significantly different vehicles.
I think the main reason there seems to be increased urgency is due to the fact that it appears likely that there is going to be a breakthrough near Bakmut and the west wants to mitigate losses as a result of that breakthrough.
I think the main reason is that the west wants Ukraine to have all of the equipment ready for a spring offensive after mud season, so they gotta start now to hit that timeline
MyNameIsJ3ffrey
Right, and it is, also, likely that the West is becoming concerned about the Russian military build-up in Eastern Ukraine. A nightmare scenario for Ukraine and the West would be for the Russians to launch a major attack with men and materiel that would be so massive that it would overwhelm the Ukrainian forces.
@Ron Charles that's not a viable scenario. Russia has been losing ground for months and only recently stabilized the situation into a grueling, attritional war with very minor shifts in the line.
Russia (or any military) would not choose to intentionally be stuck in a high casualty stalemate if they actually had the logistical capability to break through, but just choose not to
@@moist_ointment Russian strategy is attrition...
@Anthony O'er attrition is a strategy of necessity, not choice lmao 🤣
Attrition is what you do when you can't break an opponents lines, so the goal is to attrit their defenses more than yours for another break through.
Or attrition is a posture you take while on the defensive to hopefully wear down enemy offensive capabilities enough for you to then make your own offense.
But Russis is engaged in attrition while also engaging offensively.
That is NEVER A DESIRABLE STRATEGY. Come on man. This is like the basics.
This is the equivalent of saying "France's strategy in Verdun was attrition" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
8:55 ahh Oksbøl exercise terrain Denmark...well, the gas-station on the outskirts of Oksbøl anyway. "Åben Hede" is an annual military display where the public can come and have a look at military equipment, usually draws a bunch of German tourists because they don't have anything like it open to the public (Danish exercise terrain is publicly available unless it's a live fire exercise), and they seem to love looking at military hardware, We show off everything from direct firing howitzers and tanks to old half-tracks maintained by museums driving around and F-16's strafing targets and dropping bombs. This year it's on Sunday the 25th of June, normally it's held on either the 3rd or 4th Sunday in June, the week after "Danish Air Show" in Karup.
According to iiss there are 2,221 Leopard tanks in European countries with Germany having the 3rd most with 321. Not all countries are NATO members.
And not all European countries in NATO use Leopard 2s either.
Even countries that aren’t in NATO are supporting Ukraine.
Ty for this vid been wondering about this sexy piece of machinery
roger that !
just a little note that re export approval is a common part of arm export contracts
for all the "big" systems its nearly guaranteed to be included
Love your videos man.
My 2 cents worth, I believe such End-User-Certification laws are common place with regards to military hardware ranging from MBTS, small arms and even the bolts and nuts (as long as its NSN is listed). This is to prevent said items from falling into the wrong hands
Just so you know, 90 percent of what he says about Ukraine is misinformation and dimwitted propaganda. The guy uses the Ukraine subreddit for sources ffs.
It's also important to mention that poland could have send an official request to send leopards to ukraine but they never actually did.
And if somebody says, well they didn't do it because then germany would look bad when they decline.
Well estland did request to send german artillery to ukraine in the early days of the war and germany denied it.
The netherlands requested to send pf3 to ukraine, the request was denied.
And germany requested to send gepard ammo made in switzerland yo ukraine and the rewuest was denied.
The truth is, poland liked to use that in their election campains but they never wanted to send leopard tanks alone. Otherwise they would have made the official request.
And the germany never send any war equipment alone, they always waited for france and/or usa to also send equipment.
The leopard is heavier than the Abrahams by a bit and literally uses the same canon, that is built by Rheinmetall.
isnt the blowoff panel only for the protected ammunition in the back hull of the turret. The Tank is also still operable if his in the ammo storage in the back of the turret, the blow out panel makes it possible for the tank to be saved
A M1A2 SEPver3 mechanic said that gas turbine of Abrams has less parts than a diesel engine od Leopard 2 and that everything was designed to be replaced as easy as possible. He also said it runs on everything, and is actually pretty effective for its purpose and not hard to keep fueled. The mechanics of the tank can not be the issue here, only electronics, which is far more advanced and complicated, but the same is for Leopard 2. The biggest issue for AFU will be learning NATO tactics of combined operations and using the full potential of superior situational awareness, target finding and acquisition, precision, ammunition, … This takes more time than to learn how to change a faulty module inside or outside the tank or the entire engine.
Most mechanics understand a normal piston engine, gas turbine is something new to learn. And this "not hard to keep fuelled"? it uses more fuel, simple as, more strain on logistics.
Having the tool, and knowing it's use and capability are 2 vastly different things. The breakup in logistical support, inventory and training on different platforms is a difficult one. Then couple this to integration in the current battle sphere. A few tanks is great, but integrating them into the massive undertaking in ukraine is hard enough when variety outpaces inventory and support. The Abraham's in any variant has a complex logistical and support mechanism. The down time for repair and calibration is a massive undertaking. The leopard system is designed for a simpler and easier use to repair factor. When trained, a crew of conscripted soldiers can remember basic skills and use with complete retention over a longer period as the core of the system was designed insuch manner. The Abraham's, and the much vaunted challenger 2, have quite complex repair and logistical needs. In the case of the challenger, it's purely numbers. There truly aren't enough. And with the Abraham's, it's complex maintenance and alignment issues. So while a few well trained crews is nice. The leopard, is made for the European battle sphere. And surrounding countries (Poland...ie) have facilities for maintenance and repair.
According to competitive testing of both plattforms, e.g. the Swedish trials in the 90s,, Leopard 2 was more maintenance heavy, while the Abrams was slightly easier to repair and maintain.
The notion that Europe and North America can flood Ukraine with various armored targets of multiple variety with a workable logistics base only exists in an uninformed invention of lunatic proportions at this late stage of the war.
NATO's hand wringing, toe in the water, reliance on air cargo delivery has only allowed Ukraine to go from bad to worse to destroyed.
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@@craftpaint1644 Why? Nothing more but a myth. In WW2 all war factions operated dozens of different tank types, various guns and ammunition calibers, many variants of vehicles and different fuels and managed to do this successful, most of the time, even without computers and modern technology. Why is this not supposed to work again in Ukraine? Sure, it is a challenge, but not an impossible one.
Congrats on 1 Milllllion subs!!
7:55 As a German I have to say that that was the most German way to demonstrate the turret stabilisation... XD
As a Pole, I would be willing to buy a product after such demonstration xD
@@Gicus94 XD
The Germans simply couldn't believe that everyone (except Russia) wanted their tanks to go east 😅
09:06 I’ve never heard of DM42 KE rounds, the ones I’ve seen during conscription was DM33, DM53 and DM63.
Catching up on all the mechanized weapons systems thanks to you.. The last one I had was a M-113 in 78... lol, had a big red cross on it.. But now with the Ukraine ww3 thing I am trying to get back up to speed...
Since 1979 every Leopard that comes out of the assembly line has to pass the rigorous and demanding no-spill beer test.
I’ve never served in the Military so I could be wrong, but I feel like the logistics and maintenance behind all this new, foreign equipment is gonna be Ukraines biggest issue to overcome. Training to operate them in combat is one thing but the ability and knowledge of how to fix and maintain them seems like a while other issue that requires facilities, equipment and personnel.
You are right that tanks (and artillery) are among the most logistics-intensive things which exist in the world. Especially the early Abrams tanks which have only a turbine engine and no auxiliary power generator drinks fuel like crazy - thankully they've retrofitted and upgraded the active Abrams tanks with APUs.
True, but armies in other wars throughout history had to deal with even more complex supply chains and maneged to pull it off. It adds a lot of complexity and pressure for the logistics, but isn't impossible.
@@dnocturn84 In fact a lot of the motivation to develop precision guided munitions wasn't just to reduce collateral damage - its main purpose was to slim down the logistics train. If you need to ship less shells to the front, you need less trucks, less fuel for those trucks, you present less targets to the enemy, etc.
At least they've got workshops across the border in NATO territory which are safe from Russian missile strikes. The Poles can help a lot with the Leopard 2, since they operate those tanks themselves. Of course they can't ship everything to the other end of the country for repairs, but it's still a perk.
Ukraine's biggest issue is civilian control over the military is run by a Nazi with a propaganda obsession to make his Dear Gefreiter blush.
Nah not rly shy of approving other nations requests. They just did not enter an offical request even after ministers stated that it would not get denied
Your pen of my favourite journalists love ya Chris.
Wearing my Leopard 'Mankini' in honour of this...
[Borat accent] Very nice!
For the leopard its realy important how to use them. Trained with a lot of different natuons using them and many use them wrong. I hope ukraine gotta manage to use them and the marder together. Tanks need infantry Support
The US is sending 50+ M2 Bradleys.
Each Main Battle Tank needs 3 IFV. So 80 Leopards would mean 240 Marders, Bradley and in a pinch Stryker.
I don't think the Germans are sending the A6 variant as Canada is sending out 2A4 variant instead of our 2A6's.
For the first time in history, people are saying, “Good news, the German tanks are on the way to our country.”
As far as I’m aware the leopard isn’t meant to be used as an first line engaging vehicle but due to its superior gun,movement and electronics to detect and destroy any enemies before being noticed and afterwards change positions with its excellent mobility before being engaged it heavily relies on infantry support to be able to play it designated and designed role
as far as nato doctrine goes, the main battle tank in general is definitely meant to enforce a breakthrough in first line by force - against opposing tanks, armoured vehicles, fortified positions, etc.. what you refer to are the battlefield tactics that are to be applied - and in which the leopard (1+2) excel with their mobility: operate from cover, rush into firing positions, apply pressure, retreat and reposition. by doctrine, nato tanks are mandatory to be deployed with infantry support - especially infantry fighting vehicles, that is. but according to a 'combined arms doctrine' that as well should include artillery and close air support by helicopters or various ground attack aircrafts.
You are calling the diesel "Gas" lol, you mentioned the leopard tank had a diesel engine and then went on to say how many miles it could go on a full tank of "gas" 😂 your goofy and i love it lol
Poland already has training grounds completed and ready for the Abrams and I am sure they have the Leopard 2 training incorporated. The Ukrainians can train fairly quickly on the tanks even if they dont get a complete combined arms NATO style course, so I bet the Leopards from Poland arrive much sooner than March. The Polish know the horrors or Russian occupation and I see in the not too distant future as likely having one of the strongest militaries in Europe. We (USA) are already heavily investing there when it comes to military prepositioning and that was before Feb 2022 invasion.
@@wetub3e Because Ukrainian soldiers have been secretly training in Poland for many months
Hello, everyone! I would like to say a few words, ok maybe a few more, because the subject has gotten quite exciting to me. It's not meant to be hate or mean towards anyone, just my opinion as a German and ex-soldier.
The whole world is crying out that Germany should deliver weapons and take a leadership role! This is the same world that Germany and us Germans have portrayed or referred to as Nazis over and over again at every opportunity, in every imaginable form, on vacation and even in TV series and films and has been doing so since the end of World War II.
Even here in Germany, the German soldier is looked at funny when he walks through the city in uniform or sits on the train. Germany has made many mistakes in its history and these must not be forgotten under any circumstances, but at some point these Nazi comparisons or ifentifications German~Nazi must come to an end.
Germany is so trying not to cause the slightest hint of a thought of possible similarities to this dark time that the whole country lives under a mental lid.
Going back to the tanks, it's certainly understandable that this is one of the things that made the German government act the way they did. Furthermore, Germany also takes a risk when it delivers modern weapon systems to a war zone, which in the event of loss gives the opponent the opportunity to capture the latest technology and electronics, some of which are still classified as secret (this should also be considered when delivering from other countries!!) .
Next and topical point, the Bundeswehr itself is having major problems keeping its operational readiness and bringing it to an acceptable level in order to be able to fulfill its obligations in NATO, everyone can read about that in the news! We can't do it the way we'd like, it just has to be understood. Rheinmetall has to replenish the Bundeswehr's inventories, process new orders and then get stored vehicles back into a condition suitable for use - it's not that easy and, above all, not all at once.
I wish and begrudge Ukraine every tank, every rifle and every round of ammunition it can get to drive the invaders out of its country, but it cannot be that Germany is almost exclusively responsible for this.
I have never heard from any Ukrainian politician that France, Italy, Spain, Greece were pressured so massively to deliver their tanks, because some of these countries also have significantly more vehicles than we do.
Think about it!
I'm sorry for this novel, but I just had to get that out!
Best regards from Germany and Slava Ukrainia!
Because Scholz was blocking the export of Leo 2 from other countries that was why Germany was under so much pressure. If there is a reliable tank in large numbers in Europe capable of defeating Russian tanks, ( the Leo 2) I would also like Zelensky be begging for it.Remember the Ukrainians have lost 449 tanks in combat and the rest must be worn out. Obviously in 1941 Germany was the aggressor, in 2022 Russia is the aggressor, two obviously different situations. If the Leo 2 had arrived last year perhaps the successful Ukrainian September counter-offensive would have gone much further .
@@chrisconolly4256 Nope, germany wasn't blocking anyone from delivering their Leos to ukraine. No one asked.
@@Dinitroflurbenzol Everyone knows the Poles and Spain were blocked from sending their Leos. The Poles sent their own T-72s and PT-91, but were prevented from sending Leos. Not everything happens "officially".
@@chrisconolly4256 Good Morning all! Thank you for your opinion Chris! Again, Germany had its reasons, which I have also listed for you, these also apply to deliveries from other countries. Then there are the reasons that we don't even know because they are secret. The Ukraine has certainly lost many tanks, but in return it has also received a large number of Russian-made tanks from Europe for which Germany has or will supply Leopard tanks and other vehicles/systems as replacements, for example.
Only 1 country asked to deliver Leopard tanks and that was Poland and that was only a few days ago, so nobody asked for permission, but only talked about it in the press that you might, maybe if it fits tanks want to deliver!
For you there may be a difference between 1939 and today, for us Germans there isn't! War is war and hopefully we will never again go to war waving flags and shouting salvation (figuratively speaking).
Also mentioned again, there are countries that have so far provided little or no help for Ukraine and some of these countries are significantly larger and equipped with a significantly larger modern military than we do. We have already supplied the most modern artillery, radar, minelayer, air defence, etc., at some point it will just end. Warm greetings
@@chrisconolly4256 They weren't, they wanted to replace their sended stock (L2A4) with Bundeswehr-Leos (L2A6M / L2A7) and THAT was blocked by germany.
If I remember right, the german government has since also comitted to sending over 100 Leopard 1 to Ukraine roughly a week ago.
Now, the Leopard 1 is of course a bit of an old timer, it's from the 60's, after all, and it certainly isn't gonna win a 1v1 against T72's, but I've heard some statements that it might still come in useful just due to the sheer amount of them and since it's still gonna be big and heavy enough to take out IVF's with relative ease.
Nice map of Germany you showed there. Inter war borders, a man of culture that infantry veteran.
Cappy is so excited about Germany's support for Ukraine, he wants to give the Germans parts of Poland and Russia out of gratitude I guess
What is there special in Poland,
so everyone wants it's territory ?
There is the coast of a bathtube called Baltic Sea,
large European plains,
and a small strip in the south of the Carparthian mountains.
Not much to see there.
@@KarlReimerGodt good farming land and lots of room for heavy industry which the lazy poles dont use. Here in germany we are heavily running out of space. And preussen/prussia region is just one of our historic Homelands since 3000 years now
Well.... as a german I must say Königsberg looks kind of good right now..
Modernisation of these tanks is costly and not so easy as this guys seems to think
New subscriber. I like your content; I'll stay tuned. I appreciate the data curation and presentation.
"Weaknesses" well they are all vulnerable nowadays. It's their accuracy and firepower that matter because all tanks can be taken out by modern weapons. Having great optics and fire control is what makes one good. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to make a tank that can withstand a 30mm and is fast and has great guns with IR optics and fire control. Because you can't give them enough protection so being fast maneuverable might be better than heavy lumbering giants that are good targets for missiles.
We've seen what happens when those fight tanks. They're called IFV's and they get raped.