Why this German IFV is So Hot Right Now
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2023
- Germany recently announced they are going to supply Ukraine with around 40 Marder Infantry Fighting Vehicles hopefully by March of 2023. This 50 year old vehicle is better than you might think. Germany issued development contracts to multiple companies, and 15 different prototypes for the Marder Infantry fighting vehicle were produced by 1963. In 1967, the Rheinstahl group created a third and final group of 10 prototypes that eventually led to the production of the Marder in 1969. Rheinstahl became the prime contractor, and the first Marder was delivered to the West German army in May 1971 By 1975 they’d produced over 2,100 Marders, which West Germany kept and stockpiled in the midst of the Cold War.
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The Marder’s main armament is the 20mm Rheinmetall MK 20 Rh 202 autocannon that fires AP rounds at 1,100 m/s . It is mounted in the small two-man turret and is able to fire armor-piercing and high explosive rounds. The 7.62 mm MG3 machine gun attached coaxially to the left of the cannon allows the gunner to save main gun rounds if a soft target is in the open not behind cover. The MILAN anti-tank guided missile launcher can be attached to this turret, with up to 4 missiles carried inside the hull. I’ve seen conflicting reports on whether or not adding the MILAN missile launcher and its storage reduces the infantry capacity down to 5 dismounts.
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I've been an engineer at Rheinmetall since 1992, we have dozens of Marders in stock. The Marder 1A5 and 1A5A1 are equipped with the MELLS anti-tank weapon system (multi-role light guided missile system). And these are modern, and the Marder was additionally armored against mines and rocket-propelled grenades. Note on the HS 30, this was not a German armored personnel carrier but came from Switzerland, designed by a Frenchman of Polish origin. greetings from Germany
In a lot of videos I think the numbers of these vehicles that are available is severely underestimated. Even the amount of Marders and Leopards that are supposedly in reserve strike me as way too low to be realistic. And yes, the manufacturer stockpiles are also not taken into account. Hell we recently learned there are dozens of Leopard 1s in a stockpile in Belgium that could be made battle ready.
Not to mention that once Rheinmetall and KMW were given the go ahead, they could deliver vehicles in significant numbers right out of the factory to Ukraine.
And then we have the HUGE stockpiles of Abrams and Bradleys. If all that potential is combines, we can equip Ukraine with more vehicles than Russia has in total. It's just a matter of organizing that, and it won't have an impact next week.
But all of this stuff exists in huge numbers, even if we can't send it right away. It needs to arrive in a relatively standardized way and also with all the necessary support in place. But once that IS in place... I don't see how Russia is supposed to counter that. Let's also not forget that "cold war era vehicle" is hardly a negative here. After all every single western design from that era was specifically designed to fight exactly this conflict, taking on Russia on exactly this kind of battlefield, taking out exactly the kind of equipment that is being fielded now.
Russia should seriously think about its future here. This will not have an impact in the first quarter or even half of this year, but once these vehicles go into combat in significant numbers, with the replacement and logistics chain gearing up all over Europe... Russia better be prepared to get its teeth kicked in, because there is no planet in the universe on which they can compete with the combined western industrial capability to support this kind of a war with these kinds of vehicles.
@@LeutnantJoker I know who owns 52 Leopard 1 A 5s in Belgium. However, what is completely forgotten is that the man had a low purchase price, but enormous transport and storage costs. Then 10 years maintenance costs and purchase of spare parts. I think it's completely ok that he wants to have 500,000 euros per tank
@@LeutnantJoker That might be wrong. So yeah, there are a lot of vehicles, and older ones can be modernised. But… Building new ones will take a ton of time.
First off, military vehicles don’t just come off a line all the time, right? A country orders say a hundred Leo 2. A production line is set up, people get hired, the tanks get built and then the lines get written off. This run up takes time.
But more importantly: The components needed are pretty specialised and thus, also have to be made on special lines. The engines for the Leo 2 for example are made by a company called MTI, it is German but owned by Rolls Royce. They stated a while ago that they might be unable to even hire enough people to build engines for new Leo’s if necessary, because Rolls Royce has financial problems and tries to starve off MTU to stay afloat.
who cares about HS 30 ?????
@@LeutnantJoker was für ein Blödsinn ...
Worked in the German army, and in a mech infantry battalion, the Marder is even more loved than the Puma itself... Is very reliable vehicle and has a big firepower, really hope Ukraine puts on good use the Marder and Leopard... Otherwise ask Turkey what happened
why turkey ?
@@bameno6641 Because they managed to get several Leo2 destroyed by not giving them any infantry or IFV assistance to cover them.
@@boo-misc4973 because their Dictator is an idiot like putin
@@boo-misc4973 oof, Turkey must have been training with Russia back then.
@@holden5478 no they were in nato since the 1950s
Minor correction on the tracks, unless something changed since the late 90s, the rubber is added as a series of individual pads fitted to the metal tracks into purpose made slots, two pads per link IIRC, which is a lot of "fun" removing one by one with a sledge hammer when they are worn down.
you have a weird sense of "fun"
Thats the easy part of removing the stuff. The hard work is collecting the old pads afterwards for disposal. ;)
@@denniskrenz2080 Only in Germany. the rest let them fly arround everywhere xD even on training grounds..
i consider pad replacement a sweaty day in 35° sun. The Bradley uses the same system for road tracks.
You all missed the mark the entire track can be made of rubber which is why he said it can't be repaired, seen on vehicles like the British warthog
7:34 We carried 4 Milan in a Marder 1A3 and we were six infantrymen in the back. (And I was the one who was responsible for the Mlian.) Never heard that there was even a concept of a 5 man infantry crew.
I believe originally there were 7 seats in the back. 3 left, 3 right and the troop leader to the rear.
On the right the foremost seat was canceled for storage, then there was the Milan gunner/shooter(?) (myself) , than the MG gunner.
On the left the sharpshooter, the "Panzerfaustschütze" (the one with aditional "light" anti-tank rockets - the "Panzerfaust") and a rifleman.
Troop leader looked backwards and was first man on the door.
when did you serve?
@@captainbroady From 1998 in Munster.
When was serving in PzGrenbtl 371(2009) we trained with 5 infantry +troop leader. We didn't man the "milan". Perhaps due to the Afghan conflict they saw no need 🤷♂️
@@pet4916 I like that. Hattet to drag this chunk. 😆
But sounds like the 6-man-troop itself didn't change.
Is it true that the MILAN mount on the Marder isn't designed for having the ATGM attached for extended periods of time, especially while the vehicle is moving around (due to vibrations wearing it out), so that you basically have to frantically set it up once you spot an enemy tank?
While the BMP-2 likewise needs the ATGM operator to stick their head out of the hatch to use the Konkurs, having to go through additional extra steps seems like a major hassle.
Then again, I guess there are also upsides to having the MILAN be quickly usable by the dismounted infantrymen in the field… but I‘d probably still feel safer in a Bradley with 2 TOWs at the ready.
I love how the WW2 footage is about the Marder tank destroyer and not about the sdkfz 251 which was the main german "apc" during the war
I was wondering wtf was with the tank destroyers. Didn’t know about the original marders.
We used ww2 German armor footage for broll . I was trying to say the tank strategy of ww2 lead to the HS 30 which lead to the Marder. I can see where that would be confusing .
Plus it was a marder so yeah... makes sense.
@@Taskandpurpose So far, nothing has been a "wonder weapon" for Ukraine... However, now Germans are sending some stuff. And they should know a thing or two about those... Wunder Waffe, I think was the expression...
@@Taskandpurpose they act like getting the perfect broll is easy. Especially for military subjects.
Marauders are super popular in my city, soccer moms are ditching the SUVs for IFVs.
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"We got one heavily armed recreational vehicle here, man."
- PV1 Winger
The Wiesel seems like a better vehicle for such an environment 😜
@@123i123i1 swarms of Wiesels carrying the mortars, autocannons, ATGM's, and such for Ukraine's foot mobiles would be _adorable_
Just rolling all over the place doing gremlin sh*t, mobbing Russian MBT's like a Benny Hill clip, and hordes of them chasing infantry out of woods in a panic
You really should move out of Bakhmut one of these days... :P
6:19 Former A800 (Panzergrenadier) here. As standard, we use metal tracks with two rows of rubber pads locked inside each track. They last about 400km and are a PITA to replace. I'm pretty sure the Marder will keep on going after wearing down the rubber pads - it will punish the roads, tracks, and maybe the crew tho. I've never seen Marders run on full rubber tracks like the Wiesel gun carrier.
so im not the only one who saw that mistake in his sentence. i believe he just missed to mention that the marder has rubber padded tracks, and not full rubbers.
Tank mechanic here. The M113 also uses full rubber tracks. So the Size should not be a Problem
@@Demon_Dorian Which version? We also had these German-upgraded M577s with Diehl rubber pad steel tracks. Total shitbox btw, would blow them up immediately. Maybe you could use full rubber tracks on the Marder, but I've never seen anything but the rubber pads steel tracks in service, and I doubt anything else is in stock worldwide.
We called it Kettenkloppen (hard to translate but likely: track thrashing).
Fighting tracks with worn down rubber pads are working just fine but the metal wears down pretty quickly and you will deestroy streets.
I know that the german army had full metal tracks for it but never saw one live.
@@ThunderChunks That's what they told us. And I never knew anyone who ever saw them, either. They won't be available when needed, if they actually should exist xD
I was there 2010-11 in Kunduz. The same bomb type that took out the germans took my truck out two days after Christmas a few months before. The MATV is what saved my ass. I went to the memorial in Mazar E Sharif for the fallen. 2nd En Bn Army.
i love how the guy at 1:44 is just casually falling of the vehicle
Lol didn't even notice
I even know a guy who claimed it is himself in this picture.😂
He's just tactical dismounting
Noep, he's merely checking out wheteher the MG is securely fixed.
I think he’s taking advantage that the tracks are down, so the distance to dismount is shorter, and onto soft mud. Therefore dismount can be done more casually and easily than when jumping from the full vehicle height onto pavement or dry/frozen soil.
My guy ur upload schedule is popping off idk if it’s just because of the rapid developments in Ukraine or if ur genuinely just trying your best to produce more content either way I appreciate it and will continue to support it
Agreed. Thank you, Cappy!
Indonesian Cav battalion has been using this bad boy for nearly a decade now. It was included in the same package as our Leopards. Needless to say, they're great, much better than the bmps our marine uses.
better dari hongkong, BMP dipilih Marinir karena bisa berenang utk kebutuhan serbuan ampibi. Kalo bandingin sesama IFV darat aja bego. Marder buat jerman dah barang lapuk dan dipensiunkan makanya dikasih ke ukraina. Marder kalo ketemu BVP 2 Marinir jadi keju kena rudal anti tank AT 5 Spandrel standar bawaannya
@@joniantipolisi4039 dan ente kira bmp marinir kga tua apa? Dari armor sampe ke mesin marder lebih superior, wlwpun ga bisa berenang.
Care to give them to Ukraine?
@@antonnurwald5700 Nah. Indonesia shouldn't get involve in that war.
@@antonnurwald5700 we only have like 50 or so.
I think I heard an interview from one of the wounded men in the Marder that got blown up (1 KIA and 5 wounded). It was a podcast/interview about PTSD. After recovering from his physical injuries the soldier was fine for a while, but some years later he startet to have sort of panic attacks and stuff. He really wanted to go back to service but if you start taking radical and irrational actions (like grabbing into the stearing wheel and almost crashing the car) for the smallest triggers, that ofc is a no go. Nowadays he is fine, still working for the Bundeswehr, but not in the field anymore, some sort of therapy guide. Helping other soldiers finding the right help for their problems after such incidents, guiding them through the bureaucratic hurdles to get the right therapy for whatever trauma/injury they got.
So glad I found this channel. Well researched, funny and willing to have intelligent conversations regarding the topic. He is humble enough to admit he can get things wrong and corrects himself if needed.
You dont need to be humble to admit that you are wrong. This kind of mentality is why so many people steer open eyeed into the abyss.
Hum no. Still doing propaganda and bias
Yeah he used to talk about corruption in the military now adays he just makes point about how we should send more to a country that sells 80% of the equipment we give them
If the channel was well researched, they would have known that the Germans did use IFVs during ww2.
They tested tank tactics during the 30s and found out they are vulnerable to infantry. So they created the Panzergrenadier units, that attacked alongside tanks in armored Sd.Kfz 251 halftracks. They called them "mobile foxholes" that carried the infantry at speed through the artillery barrage. They were shooting from the vehicles, then dismounted to clear enemy trenches, while the vehicles kept fighting.
The halftracks weren't "battle taxis", they were the first legit IFVs.
@@kylirfisher Do you have any source on Ukraine selling 80% of donated equipment?
The Moment when Cappy Teaches you More about the Actions in Afghanistan of your troops than and Documentery or News out of Germany
Naja du musst halt googeln können.
Das Forum war ja leicht zu erkennen.
@@hansmeyer7225 ein Forum ist keine Doku oder Nachrichtensendung des ÖR. Das war mit dem ursprünglichen Kommentar gemeint.
Dass vernünftige Information auch in deutscher Sprache verfügbar ist, war doch gar nicht angezweifelt. 😉
Medien sind halt Medien. Etwas verständlich zu erklären und ordentlich nachzuforschen bringt nicht so viel Geld und Klicks.
lol du hast offensichltich 2009 keine öffis geschaut.....
Chris: You are doing a great job making complex topics understandable to a non technical audience. Thanks for your work, its much appreciated.
Two points about the Marder that I would like to correct. The points mentioned about the update are correct, but they only concern the current A5 variant of the Bundeswehr. Not the a3 variant that will be delivered to Ukraine.
The track is not a rubber track but only a steel track with rubber cushion pads like the Bradley.
7:32 adding the Milan luncher, and it’s storage, reduce the Infantry capacity: not from 6 to 5, but from 7 to 6
"that is of course just speculation and I could be wrong". Love the integrity here. Probably not wrong, but Chris has the integrity to be transparent. Keep up the great work.
Thanks from a Navy guy. Appreciate your videos and explanation of land warfare problems/solutions.
I respect that you are appropriately labeling the obligatory red circle. Mad props.
7:03
Its not Mk20 as in Mark 20. It's MK 20 as in MaschinenKanone 20mm.
Cool story bro
@@thatguysky123 Why? Where's the problem with correcting the nonsense of a careless idiot who can't be bothered to do his research properly?
Thanks for all the great work and research you do!
Germany was the only nation that had its first infantry fighting vehicle during World War II. Due to the blitzkrieg tactics of the Wehrmacht, the soldiers had to be able to follow the tanks as flank protection. A vehicle was therefore needed which could transport soldiers as quickly as possible under armor protection. For this reason, the Sd.Kfz. 251 developed, Germany's first infantry fighting vehicle. This vehicle was the original basic idea on which the Mader and its predecessors are based.
Theoretically yes. In reality, the tank divisions had only one or two companies with APC. The rest of the infantry was motorized with truchs. The Sd.Kft 251 was very rare. The only division in which all the infantry was mechanized with APCs was the Panzerlehrdivision in 1944.
And now german IFVs are killing innocent russians, as they did already in WW2
The 251 wasn't an IFV.
It also wasn't anything special. Every nation had similar APCs in service during the war.
As i know it was France betwenn the wars which had the first light armoured Infantrie Transport vehicle with halftracks. But Germany improved them.
the hanomag (Hannoversche Maschinenbau AG) SDKFZ 251, this looks so cool, i had a model from tamya
4:24 . Love your pop up inside the clip. AND your narration can be SEEN as well as listened to. NOW I know you're not a robot. ;-)
Muchas gracias / Un gros merci / Vielen Dank
Anyone else notice the guy falling at 1:44 haha perfect timing on that picture
the reason for the latest "technical issues" with german Puma IFV were of misuse of the crew the reason and not because of design or real technical issues! by the way, they were all quickly repaired by the producer and are now back in service!
Idk how I just found this channel a week ago! Literally exactly the type of videos I love to watch and I never knew about this channel. Keep up the good work!
We had a whole bunch of those in our PzH2000 Battalion. Nice vehicle overall even if it is old. Very effective in Afghanistan, so was the PzH2000 neve, thought I would see those weapon systems in Ukraine fighting against Russia, crazy.
I guess none of us would have ever thought we´d see our weapons being used so close to home...
@@RSProduxx
Depends. After Russia's terrorist strike against flight MH17, the Dutch government was going to deploy troops into Ukraine to secure the crash site, since the Russians were looting corpses and even making corpses disappear.
It was a bit ill-advised seen as these weren't 'local pro-Russian separatists' but the Russian army itself.
I know because I volunteered for it, I lost two friends during the attack. But a unit had already been chosen and was preparing.
Putin's spies told him when our military acces request reached the Ukrainian government, the Russians ran away and returned the bodies, minus wedding rings and other things they could steal.
Since that day we all knew a war involving Russia would inevitably come. Won't surprise you to learn the Netherlands is one of the strongest pro-Ukrainian voices in Europe, much like the UK (that was subjected to several Russian terrorist strikes on British soil, using chemical weapons).
they are built for fighting russia^^
@@certaindeath7776 maybe originally, but not in the past 20 years
@@RSProduxx there were no marder built in the past 20 years :D
My dad was a tank grenadier in his compulsory service just when the HS30 was being phased out, and he hated that vehicle with a passion. They called it HS-1000, because in any vehicle, there were on any given time 1000 parts broken on average. On the Marder, he only remarked servicing the finicky double-belt feed mechanism topside in icy rain was PITA. And Crew comfort was...relative, as a gunner he had one of the better sleeping spots: shoulders on his seat, and the feet up into the turret. Yikes.
In East Europe we all struggle to repair military equipment from Ukraine (captured or badly damaged). In some countries there is state secret veil over it. We have knowledge and people that know how to do that.
This is the key for a win there. If Ukraine has more equipment they will win.
Yes, I agree with you on many things, but Ukraine needs our constant and long term support to remain a sovereign country.
Greetings from Romania.
Ah yes, the "obligatory red circle" XD
My favourite
@ 1:32 I love the way it’s just parked in a parking lot. Like someone drove it there and is in doing the shopping
Chris, you have to take a look to the Argentinean TAM VCTP, an IFV that was developed from the Marder. It has a manned turret. In fact the TAM tank was also developed from the Marder...
Can't wait to see them in Ukraine, I Love German people, THANK YOU MY BROTHERS!!!!!!!!
And after the war we all drink on your victory!
My God, war is so complicated and nukes make an already complicated situation ever more complicated.
Awesome reporting. Keep up the insightful commentary.
Great videos as usual man. Well done sir. Legend
6:00 Rubber Road Pads and rubber tracks are two entirely differnt things!
YOu have rubber road pads on the Abrams, the Leopard and the Leopard 2 as well.
Just imagine a battalion comprising Leo-2A6, Marder-1A5, Gepards, Leo-1A5, PzH2000, MERS,…sounds like quite an unbeatable team to me…
That's what Germany army needs designed to be. The consideration is to have to stand off Russia in a definsive strategioc retreat battle on low resupply until the US can ship Divisions over the Atlantic Ocean. So 14 days being on our own until a real army arrives. Actually Germany gioves a combined mechanised battalion of 14 Leopards and 28 Marders. It already has delivered the PzH2000 and Mers for it plus a lot more Gepards. My understandingis the Recon vehicles and transport vehicles have alos been supplied already. The Leopard 1A5s and additional Marders will be supplied on top from industry stock. There is major stock in Germany and Belgium industry yards.
@@voster77hh "until a real army arrives" ? Scherzkeks
@@holgermuller3597 In the context of the Cold War, the "real armies" he's speaking of would be the US and the Soviet Union. Germany's military was, and still is, exceptionally modern and well equipped, but it didn't have the numbers to go toe-to-toe with the Soviet Union on its own. Nowadays, I'm fairly confident that Germany could solo Putin's Russia if not for the nukes thing.
@@holgermuller3597 why?
This channel offers very deep, very detailed and extremely fun videos!
Thank you Cappy!
2 of These Marders full of troops, and a Tank... strategically used together in Ukraine, could be very effective against Russia. In Urban areas 4 Marders roaming about with troops on patrols and about 3 tanks for defense an security of the city could theoretically be an effective tool.
In particular against poorly trained soldiers...
Germany has not much older tanks and IFV´s in storage, like the USA. The older equipment is mostly returned to the producer if new is procured, so the German army has what is currently used. To give away equipemnt means the German military will be short on it. Like a car leasing contract, you return the old if you get a new one, the equipment producer refurbish the equipment and can it quickly export to other friendly nations with a smaller budget.
Appreciate your videos cappy...there's so much SEO sludge on youtube. Your vids are a breath of fresh air comparatively. Slava Ukraine
Very well researched. Thanks.
Surprised you didn't mention the Swedish CV90 which was pledged at the same time as the French, German, US pledges.
Easy, they are relatively easy to use and maintain. Fairly accurate, maneuverable, and most importantly, available to send now.
I love your channel man. You make learning about world geopolitical situations bearable
Chris I really love your channel. keep it up
7:30 MILAN has been phased out after supplying the last stocks to the Kurds. Capacity is not reduced when MILAN launcher and 4 tubes are in the vic. Two rounds are fitted between the seats and one round per side is fitted above the tracks. You can fit up to 10 guys into a Marder if not all of the equipment is fitted inside (ammo and the lot).
Not quite correct. When milan was introduced aboard the Spz Marder, one seat, was lost for storage of the 4 Milan tubes. No, you cannot fit 10 guys into the fighting compartment in the rear of the vehicle, No way, it is that cramped. There are exactly 7 seats in the back and the one infantry man behind the turret on the right side, fell away in order to have space for storage of 4 Milan shots/ tubes. Since then, the back compartment ("hinterer Kampfraum") was down to 6 infantry men - and there is definetely no room left for even one more.
I was a gunner and later Commander on Spz Marder in the very early eighties in the PzGrenadier Division6, 17./16.-Brigades.
The Marder isnt without reason called the " Eisenschwein" ( steelpig ) by its soldiers. Old and simple but tough and robust. Nowadays the Armor is normal at an IFV , but in its days...
Compare a tracked coffin like the Bmps against it. Like already said it was upgraded in all relavent parts, so a reliable but still modern IFV for Ukraine. I hope they really not only understand but live in a way, what their crews will be told here in Germany, when they get the training in them. If you employ them like whe all saw here in UA-cam to offen, their use wont value the small amounts they get. Like you said, Robin without batman . Or kornet killed leopards, like in turkey, if Batman goes rouge without Robin.
The age of the Marder is actually an advantage. Unlike a lot of system that we've sent already, like the PzH2000 the Marder is mainly mechanical and very simple. It's incredibly easy to maintain and keep running. Any Ukrainian farmer that has a tractor would be able to keep the Marder running. The only complex systems are fire control and potentially latest high-end visual detection systems. But even without those, the Marder can still fight. The vehicle itself is incredibly reliable and maintainable. It's the perfect IFV for this battlefield, and together with the Bradley, they can be a fantastic team. Especially the lethality of the Bradley to enemy tanks might make it a good idea to organize them into teams where the Bradleys stick a bit further back and engage enemy tanks that might show up at long range, while the Marders stay close with the infantry.
@Witcher Joker well said, these alo g with the tanks and 2000 artillery and rockets all coordinated should blow holes in the Russian lines forcing them to withdraw and consolidate or lose large quantities of land! Just have to strike at the right spot to force this matter.
Love this one! Great Relevant footage too!👏
Great upload thank you
Update to the Puma, it was not it’s fault, it was all caused problems by the personal of the Bundeswehr, some of the reasons why the Defense minister, Lambrecht, had to leave.
The real problem is not the supply of tanks and co, but the continuous supply of ammunition, spare parts, and new tanks.
In Germany we call this a Kriegswirtschaft (war economy), the West was not prepared for their material to be used in a war, there is a lot of catching up to do.
The west does logistics very well, Russia has never heard of logistics. Soldiers win battles, but to win the war you need logistics that work.
@@chrissmith2114 Russia does logistics actually insanely well. Their whole train network and BTGs are set up to synergize very, very well.
In a defensive scenario. XD
@@chrissmith2114 I am convinced that the West has a better grip on its economy and can produce more material, but for God's sake don't underestimate the Russians, that would be our biggest mistake.
@@chrissmith2114 Russia does logistics differently. Just watched Perun (using a RUSI report) compare that the West “pulls” logistics, whereas the Russians “push” logistics large scale. The latter not being efficient, but also does not rely on good communication & management. It’s a fair point that Russia can move a functional army 10,000 miles cross continent by land. It looks like a shit-show at the point of delivery, but at a strategic level its putting up a wall against Ukraine. A wall that now needs ATACMS to break. The HIMARS hit & run game is now winding down due to range looking at most Ukrainian reports. And if that’s not an option a lot more high end tanks & fighters are required to push into the Russian lines so HIMARS can keep hitting all of occupied Ukraine.
@@MsZeeZed Perun videos are very, very good. Best powerpoints you will see on Ukraine.
More good work Cappy
Thanks for the comprehensive overview of this weapon.
"Obligatory red circle " in the thumbnail
This guy is humorous
Operation Halmazag did not only capture the town they attacked, but it drove the Insurgents out of the Charrah darah district for some time. Accoring to 4 Days in November a Book by a Johannes Clair a German Soldier wo fought in that batlle, he wrote a book about it and there are some Videos of him talking about the Experince, also in English I Think. If you have the Chance to see some of them or read the book do it.
*zag at the end. It's a way different sound in Dari and -aq makes no sense at all otherwise.
My uncle was a gunner in the Marder in the 80s. He told many stories about it, it‘s an incredible vehicle.
Thanks for the info!
6:20 rubber patted tracks are essentially normal metall tracks but with the abillity to mount rubber pads - like every other german tracked vehicle in the bundeswehr has and needs in order to make less damage on paved roads. the marder does NOT have complete rubber tracks so the issue with replacing a part of the track in combat doesnt appeare, as you mentioned it there.
Lots of research are made also currently on the French Griffon vehicles to have multispectre camouflage, really interesting!
A big obligatory red circle?
You mate have earned a subscriber, that kind of humour is what I need right now.
Thank you for this breakdown.
0:50 wtf was that😂
Lancet: "hold my beer"
Kornet, Metis, Konkurs, Shturm, Khrizantema, Vikhr, LMUR, Krasnopol: F**k you, you've had your share. We want some too.
Lancet failed to destroy armoured vehicle most times.
@@orbiradio2465 Wrong. They've failed to destroy MBTs. They've been absolutely slaughtering IFVs and other lightly armored vehicles.
the marder without the leopard, is like robin without badman 🙂
Great videos keep sending them and I'll keep liking them
Careful, the ww2 Marder shown in the clip has absolutely nothing to do with the Marder of the Bundeswehr, neither functionally nor technically. It was an AT system (sometimes used as an improvised Inf support vehicle).
The concept of the panzergrendier driving around in an AFV traces its root to the armoured personal carriers which the Wehrmacht fielded in its various versions of the Sonderkraftfahrzeug.
Yes correct! We were trying to talk about general ww2 era German tank strategy and how if lead to the HS30. The broll was supposed to be generic German armor in ww2. I can see where that would be confusing
could you talk about the logistics involved in maintaining all these different types of tanks and the difficulties and possible solutions. i would love to hear your take. thank you for your vids
Maintenance and repairs will be done by all those nato nations who are "not" at war with Russia.
@@derkernspalter who will supply and take jet fuel to the front for the US Abrams?
@@zedwpd As the australians and Generla Ben hodges defends the M1 tank as an good tank and said he does not understand the problem (in australia the M1 always run on diesel fuel) and its multipourpose Turbine eats everything that burns. Frittenfett, Vodka, JP8 is just a waste product of chemical industry, so its cheaper to burn it.
@@zedwpd That like, a year away from now. They can set up a repair and storage facility somewhere in east europe in that time no problem
@@zedwpd Abrams dosnt need to use jetfuel per se its just what gets the most power out of the engine
Thanks cappy
50 years and still kicking. Thats German engineering. I wonder how long will the Puma last.
Marders are not designed to operate alone without armoured support in a mechanized inviroment.
The design goes back to the cold war battlefield concept.
But they will be useful for the Ukrainans, for sure, and there are alot of them still around.
The CV-90 on the other hand, stand a much better chance of being effective operating in small groups without heavy armour support. Excellent vehicles, top of the line!
Glad to see that Sweden are sending a bunch of them down there to our friends in Ukraine, together with a batch of Archers....hope the russkies will enjoy them😜👍
Oh the Kornets sure will enjoy them
@@sooryan_1018 haha glad to see that you guys on the other side are still optimistic about your chances🙄😂.....just wonder if that goes all the way to the frontline or if its just you trolls that are fighting the war from your keyboards😂👍
@@sooryan_1018 What part of "MBTs and mech infantry fighting together" do you not get? Hard to fire a Kornet when you have just been dismantled by 20mm HEI or a bunch of 7.62 and 5.56 NATO bullets...
@@sooryan_1018 ruske hard cope; you in kyiv soon, or you need ten more waves of moghilization?
@@uranusismightybig5111 they have not got to mobilizing the troll factory personnel yet, once they do that, you will laugh your ass off because they will be replaced with 60 and 70 year old sovietoid people; just imagine the memes and trolling coming from them.
The German Marder IFV is one of my favorite IFVs together with the Swedish CV90
The Marder could be one of the grandfathers of the CV90. I hope the german BW will becomme new armoured personnel carriers soon. Its an solid and reliable vehicle but its definitly not state of the art. The CV90 is it
@@85daniel The successor to the Marder in Germany is the Puma. I also like the CV90. There are many variants based on the CV90.
Thanks great content
Chris thanks for keeping us updated with the technology that's been given to Ukraine. When are you going to start evaluating weapons like firearms again
5:30 Imo I think a better comparison would be "Like an Abrams without its Bradley", just like the Bradley the Marder was designed to drive and fight along the MBT, not go ahead of it, not go behind it, drive alongside it
Rubber padded tracks aren't rubberband tracks. The Marder has normal steel tracks but for use on roads in Germany has to have rubber pads installed in order to not destroy the tarmac. The Swedish Bandvagn comes with rubberband tracks as did the American M3 halftrack of WW II.
7:40 - I was in the German Mechanized Infantry. From what I have learned during the Training of The Marder: Inf. Cap. goes down to 5
Been to lots of other channels and this one is top 1% if not the best.
The marder has also it's name, because martens are known to be be territorial and attack and even destroy cars.
Wiesel and Marder are 2 different tanks/IFV ..the Marder has its name.. because of some mobility.. but the Marder in Germany is famous ..because it bites with it's sharp teeth ...and can take out much larger things.. a Wiesel is much small.. very fast and mobile.. like the Bundeswehr Wiesel IFV
Marder's reputation is kinda like the honey badger overseas. It's small, but you really don't want to screw with it; it's not worth it.
@@lagg1e mustelids all run on duracell. The european badger even steps up to bears. And the stoat regularly puts regularly prey 10 times its own size out of comission.
Thanks for linking us up to Jake Broe, great source of info.
I was in the British Army in Germany as these were being issued to the Bundeswehr. We were in absolute awe at the level of thought put into making them the superlative IFV they became. The Germans seemed to have thought of everything.
Still cannot get my head around the paltry number of 40 being sent. Enough maybe to make a difference at the point of introduction but not enough to make a theatre difference. Even added to the Bradleys and Bulldogs being sent by the US and UK I worry it will not be enough. Time will tell I suppose.
I'm seriously hoping it's just the thin end of the wedge. Hopefully every few weeks another 50 get donated.
I mean what else are zee Germanz going to do vis dem???
@@geopolitix7770 Debate them, allow them to deteriorate even more, have meetings about setting up study groups, document it all, re-arrange the offices where the documents will be stored, meet in a year to monitor progress and sit down to debate why there doesn't appear to be any but decide to consult German security cheifs to decide which security caveat to give the proceedings. German security will have to consult the military and the manufacturers and screen the offices being used and decide if there is a budget to cover the proceedings so the ministry would have to be contacted to see if it will fund it. They will have to hold a meeting at the start of the next financial year to see what funds are available. Then decide on how to word the letter on asking the conditionn of the equipment at that stage and set up a consultation group to see if preservation is financially viable .......... Okay everybody breathe again - no decision required Ukraine has had to surrender.
Feet up on table in a great many offices and move on to the decision to be made on the colour of the paper clips which need ordering. Not that far removed from the blxnbs to be found in British civil service circles just with a hint of Teutonic bloodymindedness added to the mixture.
@Scaley Back good lord😵💫. You must be in politics to be so clear eyed about the depth of bureaucracy things can sink to!
you allways need to consider that germany isnt that big of a Military Power... 40 Maders are like 20% of the whole fleet...
@@Doc_Rainbow Germany has the numbers and type of weaponry which many of the EU/Nato nations would love to have in their inventory.
It's my understanding through listening to Germans (some with mil experience) that the main problem is the equipment was purchased for huge sums of money and then not maintained or put to good use.
It is not for me to dictate or even expect Germany or Germans to wish to do with their defences and the related equipment. I would only add this - Germany is a rich, highly skilled, well educated and well equipped nation and now more than ever we need Germans to understand the importance of their country in the overall defence/security of the continent as a whole.
It's high time Germans took their eye off their history and start being more concerned about their (and our) current standing and the future. I fervently hope, for the good of Europe (the continent not the EU) the Germans are up to the task facing us all.
The current leadership of Germany does not promote confidence!
wow that aged like milk
I spit out my drink out when I saw Cappy play where’s Waldo in the stock footage.
I was wondering when he was going to re-edit and re-upload this. He posted this 5 minutes before the news dropped that the US was sending Abrams to Ukraine before taking it down. I'm an editor. I know your pain man.
Argentina has locally produced Marder units, named VCTP, you can see them in combat against insurgency if you search "la tablada" a comunist guerrilla took over some barracks and had to be recovered
Sheesh! The Germans included an obligatory red circle in the suspension assembly! Now that's what I call good design!
Germany was telling the Americans, you first. The Americans announced they’re sending Bradley IFV’s. Recently saying Abrams MBT’s. Germany finally have in
Yep, when the Puma was released, the Marder was superior to the Puma. Only due to constand upgrades and changes to the puma, the puma became a better fighting vehicle. But if you ask the Soldiers (Panzergrenadiere), the Marder is more liked and trusted by most of them.
That's the case with every new system that replaces a well loved system everybody is familiar with. When the G36 got introduced nobody wanted it, everybody swore by the G3. Nowadays it's exactly the same again. The G36 is getting replaced yet most soldiers you ask now would love to keep it, since it's reliable and easy to handle and one of the best service Rifles out there at the moment.
The Puma has the initial bugs all modern complex systems come with and Germany is not the only country putting weird requirements on a system that make it more complex and weird than would have been necessary. They'll work it out, and until then the Marder is a reliable system to fall back on if necessary.
The point about these AFVs not being tested in near-equal force situations is REALLY pertinent. A lot different fighting a bunch of insurgents with AKs and RPGs versus at least moderately well trained guys with almost-equal tech. Or so i'm told...... Hope they prove really effective.
That is why the war in Ukraine is the new engineering course for future weapons/tactics development and NATO is very plugged in.
Maybe not battle tested against peers but so many exercises under its belt. Including battle tested adversaries. So long a development. The chance of surprise is low. US, French, Saudi and British forces did not have peer to peer combat experience or tested vehicles unlike their opponent. But training and technology and doctrine for just such an occasion made it a one sided affair.
@@barthoving2053 Sorry buddy, with the greatest of respect, I have to disagree.Exercises are like good, yes, but the results are skewed by the fact that the equipment doesn't do weird and random malfunctions and the opposition behaves the way you expect them to. If exercises were that good at predicting future events the L85 would never have made it into British service and the AIM-7 would have ruled the sky over North Vietnam. Bit like practicing Aikido with a compliant partner; Looks great, but no use in a street fight.
@@FelixstoweFoamForge Think skinned vehicles and weapons with minute lockon cycles are that.
@@FelixstoweFoamForge
Quite a number of people were aware that the La85 was sh*te. They reported it, and dumb politicians went "....But we have to buy British"
Also you're wrong. You know what happens during excersizes? You decide your Fennek needs to go offroad, you tell the driver, then you ask the driver why we've stopped moving. Turns out the answer is "Because its all-terrain mobility is garbage, even a particularly vexxing puddle will stop it", which you then learn and tell your scouts not to tangle with marshes etc.
If anything you try more different things because experimentation isn't going to get anyone killed, just 'killed'.
Our night raids playing opfor were vicious, especially because we knew that if they woke up and/or grew a brain, nobody was going to actually die. Troops then learn that "It's okay, I need to observe" is not a correct passphrase to let a few guys pass your sentries. Or that "It's okay, go back to sleep" is not a valid reason for someone to take your helmet with them. 😆
Plus remember that just because we've not been fighting Russia, doesn't mean we had nobody paying attention to them. Defense academies retain a lot of knowledge that's otherwise deemed lost to the general public. That's their job.
My brother was a Marder driver in the early 1980's. Like it was said, the Marder Schützen- and Spähpanzer had multiple roles, but mostly it was support and reconaissance for the Leopard 2 tank. I don't know which exact model he drove.
Unfortunately during one strategic maneuver deployment my brother sat hood up (without earprotection and open driver's port, head above the hull) when a neighboring Leopard 2 opened fire with the main gun without warning the rest of the fighting group over radio. He was a mere 10 meters from the Leopard 2's main gun, and lost hearing on his left ear for several weeks.
OMG @1:43 the guy on the left is just falling over the side!! LOVE it !!!
I once trained in a marder for a week. Pretty good despite its age. Tho no comparison to the puma when they finaly manage to resolve the problems.
Tho would have loved if germany send the wiesel with a milan or mells. Perfect vehicle for ukraine in my opinion. Small enough for stealth while it can destroy a tank.
Wiesels are one of the most gimmicky underestimated vehicles on the planet.
I love Wiesels
Now I'm imagining a Wiesel racing circles around a BMT perforating it with it's 20mm...
They are a bitchen track.... Worked with the 142 PanzerG's out out of Koblenz at Graf and Baumholder. Damn they are quick and the neutral steer is great. Gunner could hit the target when we advanced on the range AND when driving in reverse with the front at the target. It was almost as fast in reverse as it was driving forward. Quick/smooth and the heater in the back for drying your boots/pants as you stood up in the hatch... First rate.
Honestly.... "obligatory red circle" got me to click, haha. I love that.
Gonna be interesting on how the 50 swedish cv90 will perform..
Liked, subscribed & watched until the end! Maybe me being half German makes me biased, but German engineering has always been just "next level"
BMW driver… yup 100%
Overhyped is not 'next level'
@@chrissmith2114 correct, but to be a country with many first's, such as icbm, jet fighter ect, think that makes them pretty bad ass imo.. I will ALMAYS be an American first & above all, but I've also got a right to be proud of ALL of my family heritage!👍
@@chrissmith2114 weird coincidence that their export is so huge then.
@@mav8535 People believe the hype until they get German car and realise how expensive to maintain it is, and how unreliable ( German cars always at bottom of the reliability surveys, and Japanese at the top ).
What about Swedens 50 CV9040's?
One of the best IFV in service,much more modern than marder or bradley and more reliable than the overcomplicated Puma.