Can you beat KotoR 2 without Leveling Up?

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  • Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
  • I mean, if the title didn't give it away already, I don't know what to tell you. This video explores the question of whether or not it's possible to complete Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords without leveling up. That means I can't level up, my party members can't level up, and I've got to get through the whole damn game at level 1.
    I started this challenge almost a year ago now, and this video has been a long time coming. I don't really have much else to say about the video before you watch it, so please finish the video before you continue reading.
    I have a discord channel if you're interested, some people are:
    / discord
    I imagine you might have a lot of questions. I tried to explain everything I could, but inevitably, I missed some things. As I stated in the video, the majority of the footage was staged. To be clear, I really did complete this challenge, but I didn't record the entire run. So if you're curious, here are some corrections:
    I have no idea what attributes I actually selected at the start of the run. I planned to have Hanharr play a central role in my strategy. Where he would give me a +1 bonus to my constitution. But I don't remember if that happened. Anyways 12 CON is all that I ended up needing because I never managed to get my hands on any of the higher tier implants, but I think I had like 15 CON at the end of the game.
    After crashing on Telos, I showed Atton sneaking past a mine field. Obviously, those are free mines just sitting there, so I had Bao-Dur use stealth to retrieve all of them.
    Shortly after, some text appears on the screen indicating that what I am saying is a lie. It is possible to disable the enemy AIs and still activate the cutscene with the terminal that allows you to access the base. This is true for all of the AIs except the turret AI which was always active.
    Technically, to escape the base on the imperial shuttle you have to complete 3 objectives: start the reactor, acquire shuttle codes, and open the hanger doors.
    To kill the tank droid, I accidentally caught myself in the droid's hitbox. This meant that I didn't need to revive myself as often, because the droid's AI struggled to get in range to attack me. I was unable to recreate this glitch, so the script regarding it was scrapped.
    Some interesting things did happen at the Secret Jedi Academy on Telos, I lied.
    I have no idea which items I bought at which shops, I just made it look plausible. It's also possible that some of my math was wrong given that some shopkeepers will sell items at different prices.
    I don't actually remember how I got through the mob on Onderon. It was something along the lines of what I said, but it truly was a difficult problem to solve. And I didn't mention it, but it's actually 3 different mobs all rolled up into one; they just kept stacking on top of each other every time I didn't kill them.
    When Bao-Dur says, "I don't need compliments from a murderer!". There was no practical reason for me to include it in the video; it just makes me laugh.
    During the "big reveal" I point out that if you fight Hanharr as Mira, than you unlock Mira as a character, yet Hanharr appears for the rest of the run. I say this isn't possible, but I'm not sure if that's true. I am convinced that during my playthrough I had to play as Mira and defeat Hanharr, even though I was aligned with the Dark side, AND that I still unlocked Hanharr as a character. I don't have any proof, and I was unable to replicate any sort of glitch that may have caused this to happen, but I still recreated this discrepancy in the video.
    During the script-writing process, I realized that it was probably possible to skip the branching paths section in Iziz's Palace. And indeed, it is very possible.
    When I say, "all of the footage after this point, IS actually from the run." Yea, I lied. Turns out I needed to go back and replay some sections to get enough footage. Also, some clips before that point weren't fake.
    The mines that Atris walked into didn't make enough noise, so I copied the sound of mines exploding from a different section of the run. You're welcome.
    I killed Darth Nihilus before planting the 4 proton cores, sue me.
    I realize now that I could have planted a bunch of mines at Kreia's feet and had the lightsabers walk into them. Whoops.
    And finally, if you didn't notice, I had the Restored Content Mod active the whole time, I don't think it made any meaningful differences.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 285

  • @AlexanderAudiobooks
    @AlexanderAudiobooks 2 місяці тому +28

    My favorite scene in Star Wars is the part where Darth Vader boards Leia's ship, immediately steps on some landmines, and dies.

  • @MickyD
    @MickyD Рік тому +69

    Now THIS is content

    • @chrisdiokno5600
      @chrisdiokno5600 Рік тому +5

      Oh my God, the legend

    • @sgtsodium6472
      @sgtsodium6472 Рік тому +4

      @@chrisdiokno5600 I think it's pretty cool to see creators I watch posting comments... I forget they watch youtube too. haha
      Love your content Micky!

    • @Reg_The_Galah
      @Reg_The_Galah 3 місяці тому

      😳

    • @RealFormalGamer
      @RealFormalGamer 3 місяці тому

      Man, the odds lmao

  • @masterjedi8072
    @masterjedi8072 Рік тому +173

    The plasma torch you get at the beginning of the game will break any door or locked container with a single hit. The only exceptions are the "broken" locks that have to be blown up.

    • @moodywater9096
      @moodywater9096 Рік тому +17

      Found that out randomly. I wish there was one for KOTOR 1

    • @blackchibisan8116
      @blackchibisan8116 11 місяців тому +19

      I have always believed that was a debug item they left in for the intro and didn’t have time to patch out.

    • @masterjedi8072
      @masterjedi8072 11 місяців тому +16

      @@blackchibisan8116 KOTOR 2 was the first new game I ever bought as a child. I had already beaten KOTOR 1 at that point, and immediately recognized how terrible of a weapon the plasma torch is. I didn't really read the popup telling me to equip it to break the door and got stuck in the beginning of the game for an embarrassingly long time. I finally decided the game must have glitched and made a new character, and actually read the popup that time.

    • @beelzeboss42
      @beelzeboss42 6 місяців тому +4

      Does it still break the items?

    • @masterjedi8072
      @masterjedi8072 6 місяців тому +8

      @@beelzeboss42 the torch will still break items. Mines don't as far as I'm aware.

  • @rolfyboy
    @rolfyboy 3 місяці тому +29

    A year late but if you hide behind the bar near the bartender you can just shoot the twin suns to death. I use this a lot when I save levels for Atton.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +14

      A commenter is never late, he arrives strictly when he intends to.
      Oh wait, that's the wrong franchise...

  • @ZamAndTheSpoon
    @ZamAndTheSpoon Рік тому +22

    Handmaiden's name is Brianna, locked behind an influence check

  • @leoj2439
    @leoj2439 Місяць тому +9

    John Lennon comes back to life to beat Kotor 2 without levelling up

  • @kurono1999
    @kurono1999 10 місяців тому +9

    You did the research work dude, great stuff. I'll be checking the kotor 1 later

  • @maxwellderminer1149
    @maxwellderminer1149 3 місяці тому +7

    Goated UA-cam video recommendation, very underrated channel!
    Love the rough around the edges, but still intelligently put together aesthetic

  • @Ravenhill171
    @Ravenhill171 9 місяців тому +24

    Kreia would be so mad at the Exile 'cause of staying incredibly weak and still be proud to step away from power. That Influence game of hers again be wildin' man.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  9 місяців тому +9

      She cannot kill what she cannot see, and weakness blinded her long ago. ;)

    • @Spellweaver5
      @Spellweaver5 6 місяців тому +3

      The Exile renounced the Force completely and chose mines instead. Kreia couldn't be more proud.

  • @robbyloux
    @robbyloux 6 днів тому +2

    44:36 It is so painful to watch you say you struggled with this door when you have not one but two plasma torches in your inventory. Swapped to your inventory several times, but never equipped one. Literally the very first thing you do in this game is use a plasma torch to open a locked door... if you use a plasma torch its always 1 hit to open it. I think this minor detail really highlights how stressful and intense this challenge is. Seeing all the math and mindless grinding to meet Money quotas you had to do definitely game me some second hand insanity. Either way, incredible video!

  • @Nephalem2002
    @Nephalem2002 8 місяців тому +14

    Not Leveling up is the path to the Darkside
    Not Leveling leads to Anger
    Anger leads to Hate
    *Hate… leads to suffering…*

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  8 місяців тому +21

      Leveling is a lie. There is only Mines.
      Through Mines, I gain Strength.
      Through Strength, I gain more Mines.
      Through more Mines, I gain Victory.
      Through Victory my chains are broken.
      The Mines shall free me. ;)

    • @MrSasukeSusanoo
      @MrSasukeSusanoo 8 місяців тому +4

      ​@@vhoul Imperial Officer: The death star will intstll fear upon the galaxy.
      Darth Vader: your machine weapons pale in comparison to the power of the mines...
      I.Officer: *laughs*
      Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith...disturbing.... *Shoves a deadly plasma mine into the officer's mouth and makes him explode*

    • @Spellweaver5
      @Spellweaver5 6 місяців тому +1

      But suffering leads to acceptance.
      Acceptance leads to peace.
      Peace leads to enlightenment.
      To the Light side, not levelling leads.

  • @garlottos
    @garlottos Рік тому +15

    My favorite game of all time, was just replaying it for the umpteenth time

  • @michaeljamesdrake1
    @michaeljamesdrake1 Рік тому +5

    Thought I'd watch 2 or 3 minutes of this, but loved the whole thing. Great job. Even learnt some stuff I didn't know about the game... I didn't think that was possible!

    • @michaeljamesdrake1
      @michaeljamesdrake1 Рік тому +2

      and the revelation at min 47th...

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +1

      I'm glad you liked it. Hopefully everything I said was actually true.

  • @ZKP314
    @ZKP314 Рік тому +8

    7:53 Basically, for whatever reason, Handmaiden carjacks the Ebon Hawk and delivers it to the Academy.
    Since T3 was also on the Hawk, it's also why we can't use him in the party at the time.

  • @MegaJohnThunder
    @MegaJohnThunder 3 місяці тому +12

    I didn’t realize the level up symbol was an L with a hat til today thanks to your thumbnail. I thought, this whole time, it was a cool bendy arrow that someone drew because they were on one of

    • @Srymak
      @Srymak 3 місяці тому +5

      "they were on one of" **what** ON ONE OF WHAT don't leave me in suspense!

    • @joaquinriosrodriguez7316
      @joaquinriosrodriguez7316 3 місяці тому

      Deathssssticks ​@@Srymak

    • @MegaJohnThunder
      @MegaJohnThunder 3 місяці тому +3

      @@Srymakone of Apple autocomplete’s sweet embrace

  • @funyjudge
    @funyjudge 3 місяці тому +14

    Genuine out loud laugh at your "Spoilers for the Following Games" section.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +5

      YES!

    • @AFluffyLombax
      @AFluffyLombax 3 місяці тому

      Fuck that actually got me too

  • @Xaelroth
    @Xaelroth 3 місяці тому +8

    I'm glad YT decided to recommend your KotOR videos to me. Great format, was a really fun watch. Too bad you can't really do this sort of challenge with SWTOR

    • @krispy_kornflake
      @krispy_kornflake 3 місяці тому +2

      beating Vitiate with hundreds of mines at level 1 would be absolute bonkers

  • @sethbartley2212
    @sethbartley2212 4 місяці тому +10

    When i was a kid, my brother in law asked me for help getting through Kotor 2 section where you split the party.
    He had never talked with any of the companions and thus never leveled them up. I was facing endgame bosses with level one sidekicks.
    montage of running in circles to heal and 10000 mosquito bites later i managed to get him through. Mad frustrating though.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  4 місяці тому +9

      Yea, I never owned KotOR 2 as a kid, but I went over to my friend's house one day, and when I got there he was running around the reflecting pool in the sith temple with a blaster rifle. He won, and that's the day I realized anything was possible in video games.

    • @robertharris6092
      @robertharris6092 3 місяці тому

      Exp is giiven to all your party even if you never use them though so you should be able to level up as soon as you take control of them.

  • @velcro4836
    @velcro4836 Рік тому +2

    What an amazing video! I'm so excited to watch your KotOR 1 video now. I can't believe it's possible. Also, it's refreshing to hear somebody point out a lot of the strange and vague mechanics regarding how certain quests and areas are blocked off. I've played the game many times and still get confused on how to activate certain things, like the Nar Shaddaa main quest and prestige classes.

  • @kubrick5073
    @kubrick5073 Рік тому +3

    this is one of the best kotor videos ever made. i appreciate you going through the effort of playing the game this way. you're a madman

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      Thanks! If all goes well, it's soon to be the second. ;)

  • @KurticeYZreacts
    @KurticeYZreacts 3 місяці тому +8

    Game: ...(sigh) okay this guy isnt leveling up... I'm just gonna turn him invincible...

  • @TheNewNumberTw0
    @TheNewNumberTw0 2 місяці тому +18

    This is the reason the internet exists. Not TikTok or any political bullshit. It’s should be just this extremely obscure and analytical geekery.

  • @parttimesaint3165
    @parttimesaint3165 Місяць тому +5

    "Can you beat KOTOR 2 without leveling up?"
    Vhoul: No... but I made it work.

  • @jordanjohnston3969
    @jordanjohnston3969 Рік тому +3

    Love learning about the mechanics. I’ve played this game since it released and always wondered about in-depth breakdowns but never put the time in to learn. Plus great video in general, cheers

  • @Doc41295
    @Doc41295 3 місяці тому +2

    This is an insane undertaking. KOTOR2 is my favorite game of all time and I will never ever play it this way lol. It's cool to watch somebody else enjoy it in a completely different way than I do. Nicely done, very impressive that you managed to pull it off.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +1

      Yea, I don't know what's wrong with me. ;)

  • @ordodraws6968
    @ordodraws6968 4 місяці тому +3

    One of the most entertaining video game challenges I have watched so far! Love the game and your approach to it! And learned a lot for my own future playthroughs, even with leveling. Which reminds me, I also had to use my (very small and randomly collected) stash of mines the first time I got to Kreia... I did not properly understand the RPG and leveling mechanic back in the day. :D Anyway, this was a fun challenge to watch you complete and I am looking forward to your next videos!

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  4 місяці тому +2

      Thanks, my videos are only going to get dumber.

  • @JS-iw1bx
    @JS-iw1bx Рік тому +4

    This video does not have enough views, you did a great job. Kudos this was a pleasure to watch

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +2

      Thank you, I agree.

  • @cartoonvideos5
    @cartoonvideos5 3 місяці тому +6

    This was a very interesting and entertaining video. I found out a lot of weird glitches I never knew about Kotor 2. 1:09:47 This part was funny. I'd have to say that it seems that using the restored content mod made this challenge more difficult. God bless Obsidian's faulty coding. This was exceptional to watch.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +2

      Yea, I don't know about that restored content mod. I downloaded it for an earlier playthrough and didn't notice anything was different, so I thought I messed something up somehow with the download. Which doesn't actually make sense, but I was never too familiar with KotOR 2, as I never owned it as a kid.
      And then since I didn't notice anything was different I forgot how I installed it, and therefore how to uninstall it and I then I just forgot about it. So if it did change my playthrough I don't know how.
      But thanks, it's a little hard to watch this one back due to my much poorer audio quality, but some bits are just too good not to be funny.

  • @hotepra2661
    @hotepra2661 Рік тому +6

    Great video. To answer your question from 1:03:43 (Spoilers I guess) Bao Dur was supposed to die before the exile travels to Malachor, but the game had to be rushed to be finished at the deadline and so it was cut. I assume in the full script of the game it is there to finish up Bao Durs story.
    Btw Handmaiden has a name. She is called Brianna.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +2

      Just to be clear, my criticism was not with the story aspect. I was pointing out that there is no reason to force me to take control of Remote--its bad gameplay. They could have just played a cutscene.
      As for Brianna, I know she has a name, but the game doesn't use it. Even after she tells you her name, you will still get dialogue options that say, "Handmaiden can be trusted with this task." It doesn't feel right to call her Brianna when she herself refuses to use her name. And so all of that nuance got compressed down into, "Handmaiden needs to get a better name than Handmaiden. I feel so stupid calling her that."
      I appreciate you trying to explain all this to me, but I think it was just a simple miscommunication. Hope this clears things up.

    • @hotepra2661
      @hotepra2661 Рік тому +1

      @vhoul Thank you for the clarification. I know what you mean. Although it has been a while since I finished the game it is nothing I enjoyed doing. To be fair I was not fan of the Malachor arc gameplay wise at all, at least the surface part. I think I remember someone calling the malachor arc "a confusing mess". I think that's the best way to sum it up

    • @hotepra2661
      @hotepra2661 Рік тому

      And many parts of the game are like the Handmaiden/Brianna problem. I am currently doing a dark side playthrough and I got all my companions to maximum influence. Still, I had to do good actions at the end to convince Bao-Dur to become a Sith, even though he says that rage is the main thing in his life and he is 90% towards darkness

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      @@hotepra2661 Yea, the game ain't perfect. But it's still pretty good. Thanks for taking the time to watch my little video. I enjoy discussing all the little nuances of good games.

  • @iamravenous_
    @iamravenous_ 3 місяці тому +11

    he yearns for the mines

  • @Gorvinhagen
    @Gorvinhagen 3 місяці тому +6

    Dude, great videos. This channel just straight up hiding.
    Engagement? Algorithm? Maybe? Take my like, subscribe & comment you beautiful bastard.

  • @JonathenCommerford
    @JonathenCommerford 3 місяці тому +8

    You’re such a nerd and so dramatic but I love it

  • @rocket_hops
    @rocket_hops 3 місяці тому +8

    the intro sent me back to 2009 holy shit

  • @Wizard_Pikachu
    @Wizard_Pikachu 4 місяці тому +4

    Feels like a video from 2008. Love it.

  • @stevenjones4240
    @stevenjones4240 Рік тому +4

    idk why this is just now getting recommended to me but omg this was awesome and hilarious

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      You and me both...

  • @ZKP314
    @ZKP314 Рік тому +10

    8:25 In an interesting twist on that whole debacle, in-universe it's basically pointed out that, if Czerka actually wins this, they can come up with an *economical* method of restoring Telos, whereas the Ithorians are going to go with the *expensive* method of restoring Telos...and in an institution as damaged as the Republic is in the aftermath of the previous game, the "Evil" option might actually be the better option, given that there's definitely more planets that need to be healed (cough cough Taris cough cough)

    • @admirallarin
      @admirallarin Рік тому +6

      Why would they be more effective at restoring Telos? The Czerka failed improving life on Tatooine, and they actively made life on Kashyyk worse. They also tried colonizing CZ-198 and turned it into a huge mess, infested with mutants and crazed robots.
      The fact that they're purely profit-driven will most definitely exacerbate things. The Czerka corporations has already, showed times and times again that they will not stop before nothing just to increase profit margins, from enslaving Wookies, to hiring assassins.
      Also, who said that the Ithorians will use the more "Expensive way" to restore Telos? The player only heard that from Lorso, a very cunning and very manipulative Czerka employee, why would you trust her at all? All her sweet words about resorts and nice towns mean nothing. Her and her company's main goal is to plunder as much of the planet's surface as they could for resources and the remnants of the wartime technology. If we were to accept their proposal, the restoration project would probably be delayed for decades if not centuries more, and will require the Republic judicial forces intervening (because it was shown on many occasions that the leadership of Czerka is extremely corrupt and likes to do projects "their own way").
      The Ithorians might be having problems, but they will definitely bring the project to fruition eventually, while Czerka will most definitely ruin it, and will somehow also find loopholes to embezzle funding from even more similar projects, which will also eventually fail (by the way, by the time of SWTOR, the Czerka corporation's secrets were revealed by hackers, there was a huge scandal, and it basically went bankrupt, as indicated in the quests on CZ-198).

    • @Spellweaver5
      @Spellweaver5 6 місяців тому +1

      @@admirallarin where did the "definitely" come from? Ithorians are weak. You can't expect a convenient Jedi to be hanging nearby every time someone decides to antagonize them.
      Kreia is right, good intentions aren't worth shit without power to back them.

  • @blackchibisan8116
    @blackchibisan8116 11 місяців тому +3

    You were not joking. You took my demo spam to the next level and helped me develop new techniques for next time.

  • @HowBoutDemBoyzz
    @HowBoutDemBoyzz Рік тому +5

    Great video. Very well done. Funny and entertaining

  • @ReckSaber3664
    @ReckSaber3664 2 місяці тому +7

    Is it just me or is this video so fucking funny

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  2 місяці тому +1

      Hmmm.. might just be you. ;)

  • @cosinguspalpatine4449
    @cosinguspalpatine4449 Місяць тому +9

    How am I ever gonna get a girlfriend when this guy beat KOTOR 2 without leveling. Up 😅

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Місяць тому +7

      Well, as it turns out, you can just tell girls you beat KotOR 2 without leveling up--they never check.

    • @cosinguspalpatine4449
      @cosinguspalpatine4449 Місяць тому

      @@vhoulhandmaidens name is Brianna

  • @mistersandman27
    @mistersandman27 3 місяці тому

    used to play kotor all the time back in the day, you're helping me see the games in a new perspective - love the videos man

  • @tobytopaz
    @tobytopaz 7 місяців тому +2

    Super fun video. Thanks for making!!

  • @JN-hs5xl
    @JN-hs5xl Місяць тому +3

    38:25 is the funniest thing ever, the cutscene with all the mines already placed

  • @javelinnia3203
    @javelinnia3203 Рік тому +5

    In Narshaddaa bar you can hide behind the barista's spot and shoot the twilleks. They sometimes glitch and don't chase you there

  • @ethanisnotsleeping
    @ethanisnotsleeping Рік тому +8

    Wow, that was super impressive, I loved it
    Little tip though, you might want to increase the game audio, it's very quiet as compared to the voice over

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      Thanks, the audio balancing is actually quite deliberate though; the in-game sounds often drown out my voice. I'll see what I can do about it in the prequel though... probably not much.

    • @Phrate
      @Phrate 11 місяців тому

      @@vhoul I think they mean when you stop talking on purpose to let the game audio play, and it's still barely audible

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  11 місяців тому

      It's a multi-faceted problem... difficult to speak on now when I worked on this project so many months ago. I believe my recent work has improved significantly, but it's hard to say when we don't share the same audio setup. I'd be very interested on your opinion, if you ever take the time.@@Phrate

  • @HungarianPatriotGaming
    @HungarianPatriotGaming Рік тому +20

    So turns out beating the game without leveling is just like playing Jedi Consular normally. You have to spam mines because you can't hurt bosses and they 2-hit kill you.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +7

      Yea, gotta use your brain to defeat your opponents for both, but they are very different challenges; consular is much harder.

    • @Phrate
      @Phrate 11 місяців тому +2

      Huh? I just ran through the game again as a LS Consular and I was basically a force nuke. It's incredibly easy

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  11 місяців тому +2

      I can't speak for the comment above me, but I was definitely making a joke.@@Phrate

    • @Rando2930
      @Rando2930 10 місяців тому +3

      Force insanity and statis say what

    • @garlottos
      @garlottos 8 місяців тому +1

      DS Consular is too easy though. Once you get Master Lightning you can 2-hit entire rooms of enemies.
      Even LS Consular with high Charisma can do it
      By Malachor, I had 34 Wisdom and 24 Charisma with all my levels and equipment, unlimited FP and insanely low FP cost, plus basically instant regeneration.
      Only time this failed was Korriban Cave, LS characters don't regen FP in the vision cave except a few times after the dialogues.

  • @mcziggydelamcmuffin5016
    @mcziggydelamcmuffin5016 Рік тому +3

    Kotor 2 is been my favourite game after mass effect 2 so its really interesting to see some hacks I never needed to learn

  • @Bereskarrn
    @Bereskarrn 3 місяці тому

    This was the most contrived "beat the RPG at level 1" challenge video I've ever seen.
    Impressive. Well done.

  • @DiapchickG
    @DiapchickG Рік тому +3

    Men, you cool. Never thought about beat kotor without lvl up))

  • @DonovanT22
    @DonovanT22 Рік тому +2

    Been a fan of Kotor since I was a kid. Good video. What made me laugh was you tried to finish off the Drexl Larva @ 46:05 and the first solution didn't seem to work. Cheers

  • @masterjedi8072
    @masterjedi8072 Рік тому +4

    The revives when interacting with dialog boxes is probably just the game considering the box to be out of combat. Since your companions revive when out of combat, these dialogs make the game the game think combat has ended and your companions should be revived.

  • @Spellweaver5
    @Spellweaver5 6 місяців тому +3

    That's a pretty unique challenge and I applaud you for being a pioneer here.

  • @ev5414
    @ev5414 Рік тому

    Love the effort into this video, I can tell you’ll definitely end up being a huge channel if you keep at it

  • @YCCCm7
    @YCCCm7 6 місяців тому +6

    Bro legit turned KOTOR 2 into cookie clicker. I'm so sorry.

  • @NicolasSchaII
    @NicolasSchaII 7 місяців тому +5

    I always did Nar, Dantooine, Onderon, Korriban. Actually the game feels very different when you do dantooine, onderon and then Nar as third planet. One time I did Korriban as the second planet and it was hard.
    This game is pure nostalgia for me

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  7 місяців тому +6

      Nar Shaddaa first, eh? That's wild. I can't imagine getting the freedom to explore the galaxy, and then saying, "Y'know where I wanna go? Nar Shaddaa."

    • @keco122
      @keco122 6 місяців тому

      Nar Shaddaa def the worst part of the game....

    • @SeigneurHieratique
      @SeigneurHieratique 6 місяців тому +2

      What? Nar Shaddaa is cool, and the game implies it's the canonic first planet to go (Atton talks about it on Telos)
      (Even if personnaly I used to begin with Onderon/Dxun, the yes Nar)

    • @Doc41295
      @Doc41295 3 місяці тому

      ​@@vhoulI almost always play Nar Shadaa first so I can make Atton and Mira jedi as fast as possible. It's very hard at low levels especially if you're playing as a consular, which is my preference, but it's worth the reward imo.

  • @AshBorland
    @AshBorland Рік тому +1

    I loved this video ! Great work

  • @morrisl123
    @morrisl123 Місяць тому +1

    As someone who cleared out the entire Trayus Academy VERY under leveled during my very first playthrough, the trick was the heavy abuse enemy kiting and mines.

  • @grapefruitsc5478
    @grapefruitsc5478 Рік тому +2

    Well done! You played this game like I thought I would have to after KOTOR 1 Low Level (using party revive exploits and explosives to kill everything), so that game should be no challenge for you if you're willing to sit through that again. You'll definitely want to use more grenades there, though.
    KOTOR 2 @ Level 1 is actually a bit easier because the game will scale *down* to your effective level as well. As I finished the game at level 13, that means that you only need to equip enough gear to pretend like you're level 13, which is only a difference of +12 attack bonus on offense, easily achievable through items (and defense is dealt with through shields and the +25VP starting feat that makes you survive enemy grenades - such a blessing after KOTOR 1!).
    What you really needed was a glitch I *definitely* exploited: Hanharr breaking. If you influence Hanharr enough, you engage a dialog option that gives him +2 STR and -2 INT. What's interesting is that you can repeat this dialog enough times until Hanharr's Intelligence underflows into 200+ INT, allowing you to craft everything you could ever want or need. That meant I only needed enough Demolitions to set mines instead of crafting them with the Exile, so I could afford to play a Sentinel to be immune to Kreia's fear. Then Adhesive Grenade (enemies don't get a save) and blast away just outside of Drain Life range.
    Side note: You don't need to get LS points or even XP on Nar Shaddaa (Lvl 1 OGs will understand the appeal): Just pay off Kaalah Nah, talk to and then betray Nadaa, convince the pit jumping duo to sell the man they're accosting into slavery, and tell Oondar to give the Exchange your description after buying his stuff.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      As it happens, I had planned to use the Hanharr glitch, but I already had everything I needed to beat the game by the time I unlocked Hanharr. So I just kept the strategy in my back pocket for a rainy day.
      Also, I'm very interested in this KotoR 1 Low Level thing you mentioned. You didn't explicitly say it, but did you complete a KotoR 1 Low Level challenge? If so, I would be very interested to know some details. If I were to attempt a no leveling challenge for KotoR 1, I'd like to know more about how leveling and difficulty are treated in KotoR 1. I assumed that both games used the same effective level system.

    • @grapefruitsc5478
      @grapefruitsc5478 Рік тому

      @@vhoul I did complete a Low Level Challenge (level 3) in KOTOR 1. That game has fixed enemy levels and loot, so, on the plus side, you don't need to save XP and can play through the game normally, which is more fun (imo) than skipping as much content as possible in KOTOR 2 Level 1! You can also just look up all the stats and item drops straight up on the wiki rather than looking up base stats and scaling factors like in 2. Everything else is a bit more hostile, though:
      -You don't get a free +25VP feat at Level 1 like in KOTOR 2. This evens out a bit by Level 3, though, again, you're fighting Level 20 enemies by endgame instead of Level 13. Still, I found grenades way more dangerous in 1 than 2, probably because more enemies throw them, particularly on the Leviathan, easily the hardest section of the game for me.
      -You must gather your party before venturing forth - this makes stealth a WAY bigger pain in 1 than in 2. This can be used to revive allies, though, much like you did in 2.
      -No crafting means items are effectively useless (unlike KOTOR 2 for me, not that you played with them anyway) as your attack stat is too low. Also no infinite mines. However, every major grenade type (except Thermal Detonators) has an infinite store if you can manage enough money (you don't really need expensive gear, and there are infinite pazaak enemies if you're sick), and Zaalbar will craft a bunch for you, including the vital adhesive grenades (which can't be resisted). The knockdown from Thermal Detonators also can't be resisted - these are the aces up your sleeve and completing Yavin IV gives you a bunch.
      -No crafting also means top quality stims and shields are rarer. Duration glitch is a nice KOTOR 1 exclusive, though.
      -Blasters receive a +10 to hit in melee. This is awesome early on, but as levels progress, a +10 to you is equivalent to fighting at Level 13, which is still underleveled for a good portion of the game. This does make blaster-wielding enemies (especially droids) absolute nightmares, though.
      -Don't kill Juhani! She's one of your few level 6 characters, she starts with a modified 14 Stealth thanks to a unique feat, and she gets Improved Force Jump which adds +2 to attack bonus (in addition to catching enemies flat footed if she's attacking out of Stealth). Force Speed is also great for just running past stuff. The only thing she's missing is Light Armor Proficiency to wear the Baragwin Shadow Armor. Still, if you're going to revive-cheese enemies instead of grenading them to death, she's the one to use.
      -You can't mine open chests like in KOTOR 2, so you'll need Security if you want to loot stealthily. Or just kill everything and bash without penalty.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      @@grapefruitsc5478 Well that's good to know. I'll have to look into this further.

  • @ticuti0302
    @ticuti0302 Рік тому +4

    Onderon could have been easier if you did Nar Shaddaa first, because G0-T0 can call off the bounty hunters if he's in your party

  • @KXNG_BXNZ
    @KXNG_BXNZ Рік тому +9

    Without watching I'm gonna say yes just because the enemies scale with your level, so theoretically they shouldn't get much harder
    But you're missing a lot of good feats and powers
    Hmmmm..
    Ok Mind blown already hahaha
    I guess I always just assumed they leveled with you based on what level you currently are, not what you should be lmfao CRAZY
    Leave it to KOTOR to still be revealing new things even after almost two decades haha

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +6

      Lmao, yea. I might have been the first person to discover this.

    • @Orpheus063
      @Orpheus063 7 місяців тому

      @@vhoul I did this back in the day on the original version, I even discovered you could wait for the specialization mission from Kreia and start it from level 2 onwards.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  7 місяців тому

      @@Orpheus063 You're talking about the scaling based on experience thing? Because I gotta say, I could've really used you writing some of those wiki articles, would have saved me a lot of testing.

  • @themysteri0usstranger
    @themysteri0usstranger 7 місяців тому +8

    you deserve more subscribers

  • @JackOSergius
    @JackOSergius Рік тому +7

    In my game I could just ask Bao-dur for infinite shields, and sell them for infinite money. I've no idea how I triggered it, and I don't know if you can route it into this run though. Anyways, imma keep watching :)

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +4

      When I was routing this, I considered a lot of possibilities, including all of the items that your party makes for you. The most promising of these options to me was Mira and her grenades. However this method caps you at 11 grenades per trip which seemed incredibly slow.
      As for your Bao-Dur suggestion, I could not find any mention that Bao-Dur even makes you shields on the wiki, and my own testing has failed to get him to cough up a single shield. I have however found a few mentions of Bao-Dur giving out infinite shields on the internet, but nobody seems to know why or how this happens.
      So to answer your implied question, "Probably could have done it, didn't know how or that it was even an option, so I didn't." Maybe some day I will revisit this game and figure it out.

  • @jakabrobert96
    @jakabrobert96 5 місяців тому +3

    The best I did in terms of not leveling up is getting, and only the main character, to the ice plateau on Telos, at level 1. And I was forced to level up heal there anyway, to not make the upcoming fight too difficult.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  5 місяців тому +2

      The real strat for beating any challenge is to never let yourself believe that it is impossible... and to never stop having fun trying.

  • @Stryder467
    @Stryder467 3 місяці тому

    Your introduction reminded me of Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time. "Come, sit down, and I'll tell you a tale like *none* that you have ever heard." This is a very good thing. :3

  • @ZKP314
    @ZKP314 Рік тому +3

    6:45 I feel like I've been lied to for years-I only find out about this NOW?!

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +1

      I was suprised too. This is one of the first things I tested, and it made routing this run an absolute nightmare.

  • @rmisionero
    @rmisionero 10 місяців тому +3

    I think you can because the enemies level up with you. I think there are differences though, like the Rodian on Telos Station I think is at a set level, and I think other NPCs are as well, so if you are at 1st level, there will be monsters that you are not going to be able to beat.

  • @baconbenjidestroyer
    @baconbenjidestroyer 7 місяців тому

    Excellent video. Had me laughing, mate. Subbed!

  • @zerlichr426
    @zerlichr426 3 місяці тому +4

    When you do math in school its so hard.
    I need to win the game now math: 25:30

  • @todd0000420
    @todd0000420 8 місяців тому +2

    Incredible video thank you

  • @pettera.2031
    @pettera.2031 8 місяців тому +2

    1 thing about breaking doors I learned from DanQ8000 was to save the plasma torch as it bashes doors super fast/1 hit often

  • @KurticeYZreacts
    @KurticeYZreacts 3 місяці тому +4

    Taris is so cool i wish we could visit it in ruins even

    • @SLAYER5605
      @SLAYER5605 Місяць тому

      not possible malic destroyed the planet

    • @KurticeYZreacts
      @KurticeYZreacts Місяць тому

      @@SLAYER5605 we didn't see that we just saw the city be destroyed

  • @Ibrosaurus69
    @Ibrosaurus69 3 місяці тому +1

    I love how the same tactic I used as a dumb kid to get through difficult shit is the same for this insane challenge: mines

  • @Duzykutas
    @Duzykutas Рік тому +1

    Very cool vid. Your use of mines was quite ingenious.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +2

      Like my grandfather used to say: if a problem can't be solved with mines, then you're not using enough mines.

    • @Duzykutas
      @Duzykutas Рік тому

      @@vhoulLOL

  • @linusjansson3238
    @linusjansson3238 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic video!

  • @revan2814
    @revan2814 Рік тому +2

    very well made video and fun idea

  • @JoyZoneYT
    @JoyZoneYT 3 місяці тому +1

    Completely off topic but you got magnificent hair. Love the curls. ❤

  • @theorixlux
    @theorixlux 3 місяці тому +4

    43:26 thats not technically true. In Peragus, when the random chrome sith troops storm the hanger before you fly away, if you kill them using the explosive barrels, you cant get their xp

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому

      huh.. weird.

    • @SuperHuscarl
      @SuperHuscarl 3 місяці тому +2

      I always hated that. Like c’mon, I’m killing the freaking guys, give me XP!!!

    • @theorixlux
      @theorixlux 3 місяці тому +1

      @@SuperHuscarl yeah. That whole scene is really buggy when it comes to XP min-maxing. Very weird

  • @FelipeMarti305
    @FelipeMarti305 Рік тому +1

    really fun watch. U should do this with kotor 1

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      Thanks, I might have to look into that.

    • @ZKP314
      @ZKP314 Рік тому

      @@vhoul good luck with that tutorial door then

  • @kod593
    @kod593 28 днів тому +4

    handmaiden robes glitch for credits? idk if it works outside xbox

  • @highjack5402
    @highjack5402 Рік тому +1

    I haven’t finished the video yet so you may have covered it but have you heard of the handmaiden robes glitch? It’s a much easier way of getting components (and money) then the method you used . If you breakdown her robes into components and leave her naked you can ask her to put her clothes on when she’s on the on ebon hawk and she’ll just create new robes out of thin air. Rinse and repeat and you can get infinite components/resources.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      I've heard of it, but that would have been over 10 years ago. I just searched up infinite credits glitches, and this was the only one that came up. It's fine, my method only took like 2 days.

    • @highjack5402
      @highjack5402 Рік тому

      @@vhoul fair enough but it still works. I did it on iPad like within the last year when I played through the game again. However idk if they patched it on pc which is what it looks like you were using.

  • @dbank6107
    @dbank6107 Місяць тому +5

    After Telos and you crash at the academy there is a firhgt with 3 HK droids which you didnt mention. How did you get past them?

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Місяць тому +5

      Well I don't know if we can say I didn't mention them, but I will agree that I didn't mention HOW I got past them. Truthfully, I don't remember. And perhaps more importantly, I forgot when I was making the video. Which is why I didn't mention how I did it.
      But because you seem interested, I'll venture a few guesses that I didn't want to make in the video:
      1. I got lucky and beat them straight up
      2. Grenades, they are stupid effective at low levels.
      3. I ran to the entrance, sacrificing my party members and skipping the encounter.
      4. I ran to the entrance and used it to revive my party over and over until we defeated them.

  • @pinroshan020
    @pinroshan020 Рік тому +5

    Are you weird al’s relative? Because you look like him without his mustache.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +6

      Unfortunately we are just both incredibly good looking dudes, no relation.

  • @zingodoom
    @zingodoom Рік тому +3

    44:30 - I know the mine solution works, but why not just use the plasma torch to instantly bash open any locked door/container?

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +1

      Either way I needed a solution to bashing down the door, mines allow you to do this without breaking stealth which is much easier. And on top of that, I just didn't think of it.
      It's nice to be reminded though. I had forgotten since I never really needed to use it since the tutorial.

  • @OtioseFanatic
    @OtioseFanatic 3 місяці тому +3

    Im surprised you didnt use the prologue exploit to get a few extra useful items at the beginning of the game. Not to mention the whole exploit of Atton having the ability to infinitely revive in combat no matter how many times hes downed.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +7

      I think I might have mentioned this, but I only really played KotOR 2 a handful of times before this; I was always more familiar with KotOR 1, so I'm not very familiar with a lot of the well-known aspects of the game. But I'm always happy to learn more.

    • @OtioseFanatic
      @OtioseFanatic 3 місяці тому +3

      @@vhoul oh, well for the future if you play the prologue all the way up to just before you fix the engine then go back to the start and choose to skip it, you keep all the stuff you found up to that point. I can understand that you not knowing that.
      The atton thing though, you get a pop-up on the screen about it during peragus explaining that it's his special ability. As long as atton isn't the last to die, he will get back up on his own after a few seconds infinitely

  • @dgnr269
    @dgnr269 8 місяців тому +2

    I recently finished my first run and don't know how I managed to skip the ghosts tomb that was doing the level check. I was level 29 when I tried to get in and I couldn't. Kept travelling around and ended up keep making progress on the story, never had to get into that cave.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  8 місяців тому

      As I found out, the tomb is not a mandatory quest, but I think you have to complete the main story on the planet before the game will even perform the level check. Given what happened to me though, anything's possible.

    • @PatrickStarForPresident
      @PatrickStarForPresident 8 місяців тому +1

      I am lvl 34 and it is dificult as fuck... Malak fuck me like 5 times, then the fucking bats (there where like 20 of them atcking at the same time) then the fucking bridge with the Mandalorian Ghost... But the worst part, and the oart where i got stick was against Darth Traya and ALL OF YOUR FUCKING COMPANIONS, imposible... I also looked to a guide and after this You Have to fight yourself and fucking Darth Revan

  • @elios7623
    @elios7623 3 місяці тому +2

    young ozzy osbourne plays KotoR 2

  • @WojtekDwanascieLat
    @WojtekDwanascieLat Рік тому +2

    I really like the content and the way your present it. However, I would advise you to get yourself a better microphone when recording gameplay aspect. The transistion from a clear and a nice soothing sound to a muffled microphone feels uncomfortable. Otherwise, it was a great video and wish you luck with your channel!

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому

      Ya, it's on the list. I feel I can get a good result with the mic I have, but it takes a lot of work. Appreciate the feedback.

  • @maleexile9053
    @maleexile9053 Рік тому +5

    Is that me in the thumbnail damn my alternate self looks like a mess

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  Рік тому +2

      Yea, he really should see a doctor about that floating, yellow text. Although to be honest, I'm pretty familiar with the procedure required to remove it, and I think it might be against the rules.

  • @bullets1x99
    @bullets1x99 6 місяців тому

    A fun challenge run is just using blasters and playing the whole game solo after peragus 😊

  • @elzabethtatcher9570
    @elzabethtatcher9570 Рік тому +1

    Very impressive

  • @analogmoz
    @analogmoz 3 місяці тому +1

    If you think this game is convoluted, play Ultima IV-VII.

  • @roguenine9LU
    @roguenine9LU 3 місяці тому

    I probably wouldn't have put any points into strength, I would have put more points into dexterity and focused on using blasters since dexterity increases your defense rating and also ups your chabce to hit with them.

  • @matthewrahn2382
    @matthewrahn2382 9 місяців тому +4

    So you essentially beat the game as bomberman?

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  9 місяців тому +6

      If by "as bomberman" you mean, approached every problem with a keen tactical mind, and it just so happens that the best strategy in every situation was a keen tactical mine, then yes--I essentially beat the game as bomberman.

  • @ferniture_
    @ferniture_ 8 місяців тому +3

    More videos like this please

  • @hiimcolors107
    @hiimcolors107 3 місяці тому +2

    What level would you be if you spent all your exp at the end?

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +2

      16 just before fighting Kreia, 17 after.

    • @theStonerKid69
      @theStonerKid69 3 місяці тому

      @@vhoul Wow, that is so low. I think I normally get to 15 shortly after leaving Telos the first time, although admittedly I do always kill all the Sith Troopers inside the Ebon Hawk on Peragus. So only getting to 16 before the final boss...yeah, I guess you weren't kidding that you were running past almost everything.
      Great job by the way! This was awesome to see.

  • @sethnolte9953
    @sethnolte9953 Рік тому

    splendid video

  • @mustafasaricoban179
    @mustafasaricoban179 2 місяці тому +1

    This is really incredable 😄

  • @feza3428
    @feza3428 2 місяці тому +2

    Ngl you kinda look like Enki from fear and hunger

  • @robertharris6092
    @robertharris6092 3 місяці тому +2

    Uh. Cant you just place multiple mines on a single spot instesd of having to place them one father the other? Atleast without the mod i remember stacking a bunch of a single spot and blowing enemies to kingdome come.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  3 місяці тому +7

      Yep, but then they all blow up at once which can lead to overkill, or as I like to call it: wasted mines.

    • @krystaljohnson746
      @krystaljohnson746 2 місяці тому

      ​@@vhoulSounds like it really blows up in your face.

  • @thelivinglegend6980
    @thelivinglegend6980 6 місяців тому +2

    Why don't you use the handmaiden's robe glitch.

    • @vhoul
      @vhoul  6 місяців тому +3

      Forgot it existed, didn't know it existed, didn't think it would be faster... it was probably one of those.