The FATE of Every KOTOR Companion
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- Have you ever wondered what happened to the companions after the conclusions of KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2? Well, in this video we have a deep dive into the fate of every KOTOR Companion!
0:00 Intro
0:38 Revan
1:09 Bastila
3:34 Carth
4:34 Jolee
5:18 Juhani
5:56 Mission/Zaalbar
6:30 Canderous
8:02 HK-47
10:23 T3-M4
11:40 KOTOR 2
11:58 Meetra
13:15 Kreia
14:16 Atton
14:26 Visas Marr
14:42 Mical
15:16 Bao-Dur
16:00 Mira
16:18 Brianna
16:35 Atris
17:07 G0T0
17:18 Hanharr
17:23 Remote
17:30 Conclusion
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I promise, I really thought this video would be like... 6 minutes long, but alas. At least Juhani was tragically killed though, right guys?
"Bury Your Gays" is a very infamous trope... wait, didn't we kill her in Dark Side playthroughs?
Also, an 18+ minute video is always a treat. What makes such lengths be so wrong?
No, I saved her from herself. Without condescendingly preaching Jedi philosophy that she already knows at her. Just friendly persuasion.
@@timonsolus What?
I made sure to kill her on dantooine to save her from the eventual jedi purge. The true light side option
I love how HK-47 kept looking for Revan long after the expected life span of a human being. The dude just doesn't give up on his missions.
Our boy is TENACIOUS.
Revan is also insanely hard to kill and HK has a healthy respect for him....for a meatbag.
If there was one Jedi/Sith in that time who could extend their life, it would be Revan
@@zaredsabretooth7980 I was really hoping someone would say his catchphrase 😂😂🙏🏻
Well, HK knows Revan is probably going to live a much longer life! The force extends life after all and Revan is probably among the Top 10 Force Users (not counting entities like the The Ones and Abeloth and people who murdered entire planets with the Force to become immortal), I bet he could best Anakin Skywalker (as we have not seen Anakin actually be all that powerful or use unusual abilities! Revan knew how to teleport with the force and was an absolute Master with the lightsaber (Form V demands absolute mastery if you actually want to use it - that's why all Jedi on the Geonosis Strike team who used it died, because they weren't committed enough to the form! Most of them were diplomats who didn't put enough training into lightsaber-fighting!))...hell, Revan interacted with the Star Forge, which also probably also extended his life (it's a dark-side artifact that fed on a darkside nexus after all!)
While I'm not a companion, the truth of what happened to me is I faked my death on the Star Forge and waited till Revan walked away to get up and get the hell out of there before it blew. I got surgery to have a realistic looking prostectic jaw so I could chew my food, and I've been hanging around the Twilek healing baths ever since
GET SOME BACTA, DELT-I mean m’Lord.
Lmao
@@OhOh996 You might want to get a hair transplant while you’re at it. Those tattoos on your bald bonce are pretty damn distinctive…
Great retirement plan, my Lord.
Oh look, a sith lord wannabe.
Man, this brings me back. KOTOR 2 had one of the most underappreciated storylines ever. Kreia especially had incredible motive if you took the time to gain her loyalty. To me it felt the same as New Vegas - a studio with impeccable writing rushed to meet the deadline of a major franchise, and buggy gameplay tarnishing the release. But ultimately the REAL fanbase kept the game alive to see its full potential realized.
Well they're made by the same company and we're put into e same shitty position with time constraints so yh
Obsidian RPGs have a notorious history of being buggy and unfinished.
@@AAJillSandwich buggy and unfinished yes, but storytelling GOLD, it jsut gos to show how good they are at there craft when they are put in to such a bod spot, when they go all in on the story rather then the mechanics and gameplay for the most part, which is why there works are LOVED by all
@@lazarmarinkovic8486
Well I play/played a number of Obsidian rpgs, currently playing Pillars Of Eternity/PoE 2. I wouldn't buy them if I didn't think they weren't fun to play. Obsidian has a lot of questionable writing so I wouldn't call it all gold, but they do tell some good stories. When it comes down to rpg mechanics and roleplaying they pretty much knock that out of the park. Obsidian puts just as much work into the gameplay/roleplaying as they do the story more so for the roleplaying. Only exceptions I'd say are maybe Planescape Torment if you can count it and Kotor 2. If they solely focused on story their games would be a visual novels.
Still having played a number of Obsidian rpgs the number of bugs and performance issues are incredibly frustrating and take a lot away from the experience add in the unfinished state a number of the games are released in.
Real fanbase?
"Great news...I'm pregnant!" "Wow...um...that's great, but I have to go fight a hidden threat in the unknown regions....yeah to protect you and the baby..."
They really should have done more with companions like Mira and Bao Dur outside the game. Especially with the plotline of rebuilding the order.
Yep :(
Indeed, would have loved to see that era :)
There is the option of training them to become Jedi along with Atton and the other companions in KOTOR 2 except the droids in game.
I think they planned for a kotor 3. But big boss said "no we want money. We want an MMO" they would have been the new "masters" at the new jedi academy while the exile was looking for revan. Maybe for them both to return with news of the impending doom in the unknown regions.0
I thought it was kinda odd bao durs jedi class was guardian.he was more of a sentinel.
Juhani and Jolee Bindo were supposed to work together to find Revan in the Unknown Regions... I believe it says exactly that in the game... it then says that Jolee and Juhani disappeared while looking for Revan...
I’d love that book. Maybe Yuthura joins them.
Including Atris because she was a cut companion was a nice touch.
Somehow i really love the fact, that Canderous the Manderous did go full Mandalorian. He kinda refuses to die or vanish after the first game and reappears in the second, that is how awesome this character is.
Sad though, that he did die after Kotor 2 by a literal headshot (probably)...
The implication I thought was more along the lines of a fore pike or similar. He was pretty much immune to standard energy weapons - or enough that it wouldn't have one-shot him. This kind of points to him being betrayed, IMO.
lol Kreia being in love with the Emperor is such a terrible idea that it's kind of funny.
Instead of wanting to kill the force she’s tsundere for it
the entity isn't kreia, it was likely an idea to start off with before they de-railed it. no sane person can look at the entity and draw the conclusion of "yep. thats kreia"
15:16 It's easy to miss, BUT if you gain enough influence with Kreia to where she's teaching you how to read surface thoughts, when you get to Bao Dur she is _unable_ to read his thoughts in that particular moment *but you can* and her prior dialogue was even a little speculative on him. You can choose to tell her about it, or not (because you may not completely trust her). If you do decide to tell her she will say some lines similar to Palpatine in ROTJ. Something along the lines of "Are you sure about what you're sensing of the alien?"
When you answer in the affirmative she will respond "Strange that I have not".
It is similar to where Vader is telling Palpatine that Luke is with the band of rebels on Endor moon.
So even for all Kreia's clairvoyant abilities, she couldn't read Bao-Dur like the Exile, even though she clearly knows his drive has something to do with guilt of the unresolved past in how he follows the Exile.
In a cutscene either on the non-canonical-to-EU dark side gameplay, or of cut content, Bao Dur tried to eject Kreia off the ship because he notices she has a negative influence on the Exile. She rebuffs him as she incapacitated him and it's revealed she clearly knows about his guilt about the mass shadow generator. This, to me implies the developer clearly only intended for Kreia to have an intel-based edge on the zabrak as opposed to a force based advantage.
As to what it means? It just furthers the notion his fate was uncertain instead of definitively dying on Telos' underground HK droid production plant.
I always thought that she couldn't read hiss thoughts and his future due to
Him being loyal to the exile. Your future is open ended so is baodurs.
Him thinking like a machine. She cannot manipulate him as she can the others. Depending on your influence score with the others (disciple/atton and handmaiden/visas) she manipulates them against eachother. She's jealous of the exiles power over people. The exile doesn't need to manipulate, people will follow them no matter the cost on themselves. Turning their back on their own morals. While she has to coerce them, use silver tongues into doing her bidding
@@philpeters3689 Kreia may not have _as much_ power over Bao Dur's mind, but in the cut content she revealed she knew what made him tick and that she knew what guilt he carried having been responsible for creating the mass shadow generator. So while her powers don't permeate his mind, making it more difficult to control him, she knows just enough to be able to keep her place. The scenario is if you're on the path to the dark side, Bao-dur is able to discern (whether rightly or wrongly on specifics notwithstanding) part of the reason is Kreia. So he tries to get her off the ship, and she rebuffs him handily and proceeds to use similar extortion to what she used on Atton, but the difference is she's doing it for her own sake to keep the Iridonian Zabrak off her back.
Michal being pure and true doesn't have the same vices to tie down his conscience. However he is unable to hold onto it when he starts figuring it out. I find it interesting Kreia has not lost so much of her humanity that she doesn't recognize and even commend him for his deductive reasoning and detective work.
@@GTA2SWcity I mean. Him being guilty of the mass shadow generator is surface level. If she listens in on conversations between him and the exile she would learn this and she most certainly does listen in on all conversations that include the exile. She's a manipulative piece of shit. Gaslighting everyone at every chance she gets
This is awesome. I think picking each person’s theme song in the background was a great touch! Got me emotional thinking about a few of them!
I'm glad somebody noticed that! ;)
@@100StarWars Hearing Vode An during the Canderous section was goosebump-inducing. Nice touch indeed!
I am massive Star Wars lore enthusiast, and I've followed your work for a long time now, and I cannot state enough how much I appreciate your honesty. Your diligence and hard work and attention to minor details within the lore, Your careful consideration of how you word things, and your overall presentation style is absolutely inspiring. May the force be with you.
I’d love for a book series by the KOTOR creators that fully explores Jolee’s life, including his post-KOTOR adventures. Maybe it can close the book on Juhani as well. I also want to say how much I hate what STOR did to KOTOR 1&2 characters
And Mission Vao, and Bastila Shan #RestoreTheEU
Hey, buddy. Stumbled across some of your videos the other day. Binged through a bunch. You’ve inspired me to play through kotor and kotor 2 again. I’ll likely have to fight the urge to reinstall swtor as well. Thanks!
Yeah I found this guy almost a year ago, and have really enjoyed the content
I hope you have a good time with your playthrough! :)
Gooooooooooood.......
Me who just finished his 50th playtrough
I'm not exactly on board with how they ended some of the characters in swotor. Especially Revan's story. Man can dream for a kotor 3 with the remake of 1 hopefully reigniting interest to continue the series.
Or just deem TOR as an Infinities storyline, while KotOR III happened, it just was never released (think the events between Monkey Island 2 and The Curse of Monkey Island, Sam & Max: Freelance Police, which was cancelled, and maybe even Leisure Suit Larry 4, which actually doesn't exist).
You're not the only one!
In retrospective, the Jedi Knight storyline in SWTOR is kinda KOTOR 3.
@@ericomarquesfernandes3646 bullshit KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE KOTOR 3 BABY!
That's putting it lightly. SWTOR and especially the godawful Revan book didn't show KOTOR II any respect at all
For Bao-Dur, he is mentioned during the Makeb storyline of SWTOR, where some scientists are talking and one mentions the Bao-Dur science academy. With this, I assume after KOTOR II he went in to establish that academy and did a lot of science stuff
Really?!! I've never noticed that.
Literally playing it right now and heard his name and got a little happy for the shout out to my boy.
Thank you, man, for this video. Star wars and then Kotor/Kotor 2 helped me through some tough time and I am so happy to find a channel with content on these wonderful characters
They are certainly important games, and It's always nice to hear about the impact they have on people! Cheers :)
It’s always bugged me that Carth doesn’t get mentioned even once in the Revan novel
:((
Especially given the character development between the two in Kotor.
Why would he be? Revan isn't exactly the type to sit around reminiscing about the past lol.
@@TrashPanda90914 Early in the book Revan and Canderous debate who to bring with them and they go over every companion from the game…except Carth. Plus in KOTOR 2 Carth asks Meetra to give Revan a message if she finds him. After she finds him in the book at no point does she make any reference to Carths message whatsoever. It’s like as far as the novel goes he didn’t even exist. Just always felt weird to me
@@Kyle-qd2sy i mean especially since Carth blamed Revan for the death of his loved ones and eventually came to terms with his grudge against the former Sith lord. And into a good friendship in the game it really is strange
As long as the entity is not confirmed as Kreia I defy the idea that they are the same character
Well that and the Entity had 2 hands.
@@bahlor and didnt have braids
Waifu Kreia lives on only in our hearts and not as that Force Ghost
@@oryxthetakenking8275
INFLUENCE LOST: KREIA
INFLUENCE GAINED: KREIA
Catherine Taber (Missions voice actress) says she believes Vette from Star Wars: The Old Republic is descended from Mission. Helps that they have the same voice!
Does anyone else hate what Bioware did to Revan and the exile? Revan being imprisoned for hundreds of years and then getting his soul split into his light side and dark side is ridiculous, and the exile just gets stabbed in the back like a punk. They deserved far better.
Maybe if they actually reboot the franchise they can make a better ending that isn’t for some MMO
The Revan book and Swtor are such a disservice to this story. Backstab one of the greatest Star Wars characters ever written, and ruin Revan’s arc of “falling out of necessity” and making him and the “hidden threat” generic bad guy Sith. Such a shame.
Considering Revan was written strictly to transition from KotOR to SWTOR, this wasn't surprising. It's far from Drew Karpyshyn's best work. You can tell his heart wasn't in it.
Well Drew had nothing to do with KOTOR 2's development so of course it's not gonna match up.
@@loqutor FAR FROM KARPYSHYN BEST WORK?
The book was shit, and Karpyshyn is just arrogant fool. Some low-writer who destroys all the legacy of KOTOR2 story.
Sorry, but KOTOR 2 deserves so much more. And this idiot just ruined all!
@@user-pb7ch5kl8x fr. I love kotor 1 but it ain't got shit on 2. Better gameplay, story, writing, themes, character's etc it has everything minus the whole needing restored content thing.
@@TY-km8hj and the ending was shit
My thought’s on their fate’s.
Bastila Shan - Best ending for the character, nice to see Bastila focused on her and Prodigal Knight Revan’s family.
Carth Onasi - Good until the ending.
Jolee Bindo - Fitting and make sense but do wish we found out but I think it’s better to leave it.
Juhani - Make sense but unfortanate (misspelling).
HK-47 - Got confused, too messy so no.
T3M4 - No
Kreia - Don’t think that character was Kreia, better to have that be a different character and leave Kreia as her own.
Atton Rand - Great for him, didn’t know he’d be a Jedi Master, that’s amazing.
Visas Marr - Great ending for Visas Marr to come at peace, happy ending for her.
Mical Dispile - Well good for him, don’t think he’d be a Grand Master.
Bao Dur - I hope he did become a Jedi honestly.
Mira - Good ending.
Brianna - Nice, now she’s a teacher.
Atris - Well that’s unfortanate (misspelling).
G0T0-Heck-no - Not really interested.
Hanharr - Idk
Bao Dur remote - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
So, some character’s ending I like, some other’s no, some NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Remote
@@100StarWars
My mind to remote class due to pandemic.
i kinda imagine seeing kreia as force ghost on some forest moon where she and older gray looking jolee playing pazzak on small wooden table just outside hes secluded shack, reminiscing about crazy times they served in jedi order and about all the poor choices themselfs have made and wittingly joking about unpredictability of ones life journey :)
@@wowathena
Yee
I TO THIS DAY remember the remotes little tune " turu tut tutu turu tu tuuuuuuuuuuu turu tut tutu turu tu tuuuuuuuuuuu turu tut tutu turu tu tuuuuuuuuuuu" thats my ruff translation in to text the remotes little song
Revan's spirit didn't actually become one with the force after the swtor shadow of revan expansion. His spirit made another appearance in the echoes of oblivion expansion, explaining that as long as a part of valkorion survived, he couldn't become one with the force because...reasons. Just thought I'd mention that.
Well, physically dying and becoming a ghost is what I consider becoming one with it in this regard.
@@100StarWars it is not. It is pretty clear in the Inquisitor's story. Becoming a ghost isn't being one with the Force. When the latter happens, remains nothing, as the spirit is literally a part of the Force now and the person is at peace. Being a ghost is being attach to the physical world for different reasons, but something isn't right
@@LaylaLestrange Its like Lichdom. Sith attach their souls to pyhsical places or objects to keep the consciousness after their body dies. However, this binding also traps them at the location or item and they can't leave it and will end exisiting if it gets destroyed/purged. Force ghost on the other hand are completely unbound to any physical thing/place and free.
Could you prove how you've come to that conclusion? Considering that literally every major force ghost in Star Wars has been able to disappear and reappear at will?
@@100StarWars Yeah and in all honesty SWTOR being an MMO they take a lot of creative liberties with logic and consistency, but the fact remains revan helped battle valkorion to destroy him once and for all, so he couldn't really have been one with the force yet despite being like a force ghost? Idk, the battle did take place in satele shan's mind.
Rest in peace, T3
The fate of the exile in SWTOR tells me "In the end its doesn't even matter" im quite disappointed to the exile in SWTOR. Like Bruhhh After all we've been through in KOTOR 2 it will end... Just like that!? And i was like WHO WROTE the exile fate in SWTOR? xD
Since it wasn't Biowares character, ig that's why they neglected her so hard....
Trust me, I had tears in my eyes reading her parts of the script. Not because it's a sad story, but because of how bad it was and I'm reminded of it :)
I don't recognise SWTOR and its tie in media to be canon with Kotor1&2 or Tales of the Jedi. Its EA fanfiction.
The writer of Revan and Surik in SWTOR was the writer of Revan in the novel and KotOR. It's why the writing is so bad, Karpyshyn isn't very good.
It was EA giving the finger to kotor fans because they wanted to make clear there were no kotor 3 just their money making machine mmo
Bao-Dur went on to be honored with a science and engineering award named after him.
Another great video. I'm actually in the process of replaying KOTOR for the first time since like 2005 and all of these years later, with how much more Star Wars lore I possess, I'm finding it even more enjoyable.
During a recent vid I watched, Bao-Dur supposedly died during the Battle of Telos, after The Exile and Co defeated Darth Nihilus.
I always assumed, and as you said, Bao-Dur survives to reform the Jedi Order alongside the rest of the KOTOR companions, so I’m a little confused about Bao-Dur’s true fate.
Alas, great vid, as always
It's obscure, but I'd say Jedi council member.
I think Bao-Dur actually died at the HK factory actually...that's what the wiki says anyways...I'd rather it be Bao-Dur survived and found the pieces of T3-M4 and rebuilt him...I like T3-M4 and don't want him to die lol
Pretty sure Wookiepedia says he played a part in rebuilding the Jedi, no?
You talked about Atris although she wasn't a companion, so I think Yuthura deserves a mention too, as early in development she was planned to become a companion. I know that you could turn her back to the light side and meet up with her again on Dantooine. In which case she most likely died to Malak's bombardment. But is there anything to her story if she was turned good after the destruction of the Academy on Dantooine?
Well, Atris was a major factor in the story so I felt she deserved to be included... Yuthura not so much. Not in the same way Atris was anyway.
@@100StarWars I understand. I didn't say you shouldn't have included her, I just wanted to add Yuthura's fate to the compilation as an almost-became a companion. If I remember correctly when her homeworld, Sleheyron was cut, her joining to the group was scrapped.
From what I recall she was never intended as companion but in reference to Sleyheyron's cutting. I do certainly hope they add her to the party in the remake. She was my favorite KOTOR character.
Well in regard to Yuthura there is a twilek character in swtor known as Yadira Ban, implying she not only survived but flourished.
@@owainarthur449 Thanks! I didn't know that. :)
I think it should be note-worthy that Visas Marr at some point has children or another member of her family survived katarr or was never there since there is a Miraluka named Adeline Marr in the Old Republic, who was sent to kill the Bounty Hunter/Champion of the Great Hunt at a celebratory party on Nar Shaddaa.
Wait, any relation with Darth Marr?
@@LaylaLestrange Nope, I thought the same thing but it isn’t true
@@LaylaLestrange Since we never see Marr's face, idk, but I doubt it, given that Darth names are mostly a title, and not birth names.
@@davido.1233 it is just weird they re use the same name/surname, when they usually relate them, like Theron and Revan. But the lore says Darth Marr is human...
@@LaylaLestrange I actually read somewhere that there's a word "Marr" and that's likely Darth Marr's Darth title, since the word is defined as, "impair the appearance of/disfigure". Like I said, I'm more inclined to believe that Visas is related to Adeline than she is to Darth Marr.
I remember playing swtor, and finding the HK-47 boss in the Malgus operation. It left me chilling, it felt surreal. Kinda like if you met someone from a past life who was once a friend but now an enemy. It felt bad having to kill him in the game, a part of me wishing there was just some way I could spare him but alas I couldn't. I played kotor on my old macbook before I ever played swtor, so a lot of the kotor stuff leaves me with chills. I never knew that it was a rebuilt HK-47 or about the foundry bit until this video.
I had to do a double take since I read the title as "Every FATE KOTOR companion" and thought "Hell yeah! Fate/Star Wars here we go!"
Oh well..
Loved the video. After stories for characters can be really interesting outside of their games.
Poor best boi T3..
Don't give me ideas....
@@100StarWars Got yourself an April fools clickbait title right there
I love how KOTOR lore is shrouded in mystery and the only way to learn the full story is to literally be a part of it. That’s good game design and PHENOMENAL storytelling.
I really feel like the Revan book and The Old Republic did most of these characters dirty, particularly Bastila, Carth, the Jedi Exile. Everything KOTOR 2 set up felt so interesting and then the Old Republic Rise-of-Skywalker-ed the whole thing.
I remember a theory that the voice in the Malachor temple during Star Wars Rebels was Kreia.
If only we got the third kotor maybe all the companions could be together for the final game
I agree. A final showdown with the True Sith perhaps. Revan and Meetra confronting Vitiate and just basically tie up all the loose ends.
I only wish to see Revan and Bastila reunite as a force ghost or other ending were Revan didn't leave
In an alternate universe :(
@@100StarWars you never know maybe someone will come along and end the series the way it was intended
Most of them are dead though
Love the reference to HK-47 on Mustafar as part of the SWG lore. Awesome video
Didn't Zalbaar become chieftain eventually? As for Juhani...I'd say odds are maybe 75:25 that she got killed
Thanks for the explantaion, I'll never playing SWTOR before (bcause it's an MMO game and i don't like it) but now i know what happened to Revan, Meetra and their companion's after KOTOR 1&2. Once again thank you, and may the force be with you :)
Thank you for doing this, no one else has made a summary like this
Such a great video! I wish we knew more about the rebuilt Jedi order, but this helped put the pieces in place.
Tis like a jigsaw!
9:00 - I'm surprised you didn't go into the cut content from Kotor 2. HK-47 had a quest hunting down the HK-50 droids that led him back to the factory that made him.
OMFG This video I randomly go in the feed showed me that I actually never finished KOTOR 2. As I thought beyond a shadow of a doubt that you played as Revan in that one too. I-I need to go download it RIGHT NOW
Yes you do!
Thanks for this my guy. Needed the refresher
Glad you enjoyed it!
Really great video! I think topics like this are super interesting and not at all well talked about.
Keep up the great content!
I can only cover these topics once sadly though.
Wooooohooo the video I’ve been waiting for! Let’s goooo!
*The time has come*
Loved this video my dude I’m currently playing kotor 1 again I have played the second game so many times as it was all I had in childhood but now that they’re both on switch I’m living the dream
A lot of people ask "where were you during 9.11?" It could be interesting to see a video focused where every character in kotor 1/2 were during Malachor V. It was such a tipping point, that a lot people could link their own past to it. Directly or indirectly, one way or another. A pivotal point, but unfortunately it's difficult to map out where exactly all the people were exactly. Comments here or there from people are difficult to remember.
Atton used his Jedi powers to exploit the pro pazaak circuit
Appreciate the full vid man.
No problem!
Well done on a complete story conclusion. Subbed (old KOTOR games and COMIC fan).
Great video brother. Much respect.
Cheers, Mr. House.
Thank you for doing this video. I never liked Swotor, but loved Kotor and Kotor 2 a lot, so knowing what happened with those beloved characters is really cool for me.
I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Great vid! Here's hoping for some more, really good Kotor games. 👍
Excelent video!!👍👍👍👍👏👏👏
A video on the fates of the companions of dark side path kotor would be interesting. The ones that stayed alive anyways (poor Mission 😭).
I always wondered what happened to Carth after he saw 16 year old Mission get killed, said "screw this, I'm out of here"
In that scene she also could've escaped but chose to stay behind and try to turn Revan back to the light side
The Dule of the Fates! Mission got what was coming to her
The dark path isn't canon. There is no further lore regarding it because it never occurs.
@@illumi9044 played the darkside once, found out i had to kill her and saw her try and turn me back to the light.
i've played and beaten the game nearly 50 times... i'll never play the darkside ever again.
Oh my gaaawd man if there’s anything I hate it’s that cop out excuse when you can’t or won’t acknowledge something “it’s not canon” blah blah.
Between the characterization of Meetra in the Revan novel, the fact that he thought that this random spirit in SWTOR was actually Kreia, and the fact that Meetra is taken aback by the emptiness on Natheema in the Revan novel even though her entire story in KOTOR 2 revolves around her being cut off from the Force…I’m convinced that Drew Karpyshyn never really understood KOTOR 2.
Considering how Bioware handled Revan in SWTOR, is it really that surprising? In KOTOR 2 Kreia explained that Revan never really "fell" but used the dark side as a tool, a means to an end, to conquer the Republic to make it stronger for the upcoming Sith invasion, and that him/her losing their memories allowed for their true personality to rise through. Yet in SWTOR they basically depict him as Keanu Reeves playing Two-Face, with split personalities representing the struggle between the light and dark sides, and that Revan and Malak were just brainwashed by discount Palpatine into falling to the dark side instead of being slowly corrupted by the Mandalorian Wars and finding the Sith temple on Malachor. You can tell which studio had the better writers between Bioware and Obsidian
i just beat kotor 1 for the first time yesterday and instantly started a dark side playthrough straight after, so the timing of this video is perfect
Perhaps it was... fate? ;)
Definitely needed this!
I think the criticism you had for SWTOR’s portrayal of Kreia equally applies to Revan and the Exile. I enjoyed SWTOR, but it shat on the legacies of the KOTOR cast.
I imagine Jolee finding a way to become one with the force,Ben Kenobi style, as he came off as a very enlightened character.
Would honestly love a full video on just Canderous alone. He's one of my favorite's. But i don't know if there's really enough to warrant a full video though.
If you scroll through my videos, I have a video called 'How Canderous became Mandalore' or something like that!
14:42 I'm surprised that the Disciple (and the Lost Jedi in general) NEVER got referenced in either of SWTOR's Jedi storylines. It would've made loads of sense for him (or Brianna) to have been one of the Jedi archived within the special type of holocrons that the Jedi Consular finds in the Coruscant part of the Prologue for their storyline. Also I'm not sure if all the Holocron gatekeepers in those quests were pre established Jedi or the only preexisting characters there were Arca Jeth and Nomi from Tales of the Jedi, and Bastila and Vandar from KOTOR 1 but if the others were created just for that quest then they could've just replaced them with KOTOR 2 characters.
SWTOR does its best to basically ignore all of KOTOR 2 at least 99% of the time.
Another video on the alternate future of the KoTOR 2 characters? I'm talking of course about their dark side stories.
Ooh, same.
Interesting....
@@100StarWars YES YES YES!!!!! YOU MUST DO THIS!!!! That would be awesome to hear since I'm doing a playthrough of Kotor1 straight through into KOTOR2 dark side as well and would be epic to hear the dark side stories
@@100StarWars I can get you the footage.
Ayo nobody better dis my boy REMOTE he's a God among companions
This shows well how convoluted TOR story is.
Indeed.
I had a wonderful time with this video.
There is an award with Bao-Dur's name mentioned in SWTOR so I think he lived a little longer.
Love the videos!
This is very useful for the spanish star wars fans like me who likes learning English, and sw kotor content as well
Glad you enjoyed it :)
Revan's companions all got holostatues on Corellia.
They did indeed.
Good job!
I’ve been looking forward to this
*My video length has double since last time we met, count*
@@100StarWars good twice the length, double the watch time
Great! Its perfect for nighty watching before sleep
Sleep well good sir.
@@100StarWars Thank you kind sir
Great video, what do you use to make your videos?
Brought back lots ofvlosr memories great video ibforgot a lotofvwhat happened to most ofvthem
Banger video
I knew pretty much all of this but it's a nice summary. Damn, this is good when summarized. That kotor/tor lore is probably better than the all of the 'canon' now
i read someone cant remember that all of the Exiled Companions was actually push to their death by the surviving jedi council that joined their rebuilding, specially Mira that died brutally.
Love your content mate
Thanks ;)
im glad bao-dur's remote gets the recognition they deserve
I also believe Kreia is the spirit that Ezra hears in the holocron in Rebels. Not confirmed, but it satisfies my head canon nevertheless.
These games are so unmatched on a story level I still play them and wish there was more to discover in a game sense
This the kind of content I love to see
I hope you enjoy it ;)
@@100StarWars my favorite upload is The Complete History of Revan
Nice!
I read on Wookiepedia that the company that made training remotes was created 870 something years before the movies. If this is true, and no other company made them beforehand then that would make Bao-Dur the creator of the Jedi training remotes in Legends, and would be a considerable contribution to the Jedi Order including his knowledge on lightsaber construction which was likely only known to him, Meetra, Bastila, and Revan post KOTOR 2.
Great video
It's a shame swtor shafted so many of the original characters because the game actually is really good. The fact its still getting content 8-9 years after release should make that pretty clear, like next to wow it's one of the longest running mmo out there. It's sad about the legacy characters but if you can look past that, I would highly recommend giving the game a go.
My headcanon is that Juhani and Jolee returned to Kashyyyk after the destruction of Katarr and waited out the dark wars in the shadowlands.
I’m a simple man. I see, and click.
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What's uniquely Kreia: (a) she hates the Force, loves the Exile, and plays these two dynamics against each other as betrayal; (b) she's missing her left hand, and her eyes have atrophied, but she replaces her abilities through the Force and acknowledges her own reliance on it; (c) she's really annoyed by pointless acts of evil as well as short-term good and is the ultimate "both sides" sceptic. I don't see any of that in the Entity; so, she can't be Kreia.
The very idea of Kreia being this big black spoopy scary ghost that makes scary voice speeches is the complete opposite of Kreia. In the game her highest skills, Mical spent a very long time on the Ebon Hawk not even knowing she was aboard at all. Kriea was never outwardly scary or in your face, she was an anonomly to Jedi and Sith and even to those ignorant or untouched by the force. You the player couldn't even figure her out in one playthrough.
I'm so happy she has gained a cult following, because this character was not meant to be popular or marketed, she was meant to be in the shadows, she was meant to be a ghost figuratively speaking.
She herself even said that she was no leader and that she speaks with passion that goes unnoticed since she works from the shadows.
The passion was unnoticed by the characters of the game but not the players and that's a beautiful contrast.
I like to think HK-47 went on to help found the new Jedi Order and it's a copy that ends up dying.
Huh, neat! It would have been nice to know about certain side characters though. Carth’s son, bastila’s mother, Zalbarr if he ever returned to become a chief of his tribe, and Mission’s brother: Griff. Part of me wishes those characters got some exposition or hints at their final fates would have been nice.
That was awesome!
Thank you!
None of this could of been possible without T3 same as r2. Those droids are something else
It was very interesting😊
I’m think a lot of KOTOR fans that hate SWTOR don’t realize that there is a SEVEN year gap between KOTOR 2 and SWTOR’s release date. SWTOR didn’t kill KOTOR 3. Executives had already screwed with KOTOR 2’s production
feel like with so much lore and effort going into this universe, there 100% needs to be a really good sires or set of films on all of this, so it can finally be accepted as canon again