Let me know what you think of the stuff in this video, and if you want another one join the discord server if you want to show me anything - discord.gg/bde4YFG6Ew Edit: also it appears i was wrong about Messmer’s parryable attacks, he has more than 3
Well, if you've got more in you, another one would be great, because this video is just art with how effortless it makes the boss fights seem. And I learned quite a lot as well. Some of the Consort strafes especially were very unexpected. He sticks to you like glue after all.
Stuff like this is ALWAYS appreciated by me. I'm on console so no CE for me... 😒 I also just don't have the time I used to so anything that cuts down on the learning time is greatly appreciated. I honestly think that what you guys do for the community is really under appreciated. Thanks Ooloh.
I knew of the first Radahn strafe, and suspected you could strafe his grab (because of its bad tracking) and the pontiff combo (you can do it in DS3 as well). I'm pleasantly surprised to know you can dodge Messmer's fireball from an aggressive position, which normally has a stupid amount tracking. I wanted to test it myself but I don't know how to force an enemy to do the same move over and over again so I didn't bother. 3:08 Crouching isn't necessary here, it's a Dragonslayer Armour moment if you go frame by frame .
@@AlvaroOvelar-o3p technically with Malenia you needed to understand one particular move and the rest of the boss was a complete joke. This one after a nerf doesn't even have a broken ability. But it doesn't stop people from gaining style points like this)
Learning how to absolutely stunt on these bosses makes me appreciate their high difficulty. With a higher skill ceiling, there's more skill expression and more incentives for player creativity than in previous games.
@@vazazell5967 That's not really true, there being skill expression just requires there to be mastery beyond that which is necessary. This video is showing skill expression, there are other, far easier ways to mitigate these attacks.
ooloh, maybe you won't read this but I wanted you to try raptors of the mist on most of Radahn's attacks, almost every single attack he does, you can dodge by using raptors, and since you crouch with the attack, you won't get hit by them, and the best part is that it won't consume stamina
Now that I’m watching this video. It makes me realise how similarly fluid PCR’s moveset is to Godfrey’s (makes sense, lore-wise). A lot of the methods of dodging both bosses require jumping and strafing, which made Godfrey in particular an incredibly fluid boss. P.S. being able to parry The Consort’s clone attacks is just so badass. It reminds me of Malikeths parry, but if malikeths parry was more based on skill and ability rather than timing
Actually Messmer has more than 3 parryable attacks. One of wich I exploited the most is the fast slash he does after covering the spear on flame. Then I discovered a second extra one while watching LilAggy's only parry-deflect challenge, where he parried the second in the two combo attack that Messmer does to make distance from you (not sure if the first is parryable too, but in the video he did it consistently by deflecting the first and parrying the second)
Where were you when I was so desperate to finish the lvl1 +0 no blessings run…, really had to discover somethings on my own, please we need more, even if it wasn’t the dlc, thanks♥️
3:08 this Messmer attack is also parryable. Furthermore, it's possible to parry his grab attack. You just need to jump in 1 second as soon as he initiates his grab attack.
ok that's explain why messmer is my favorite boss fight you get what you see, to make his hitbox bigger they add the fire unlike radahn janky air hitbox
I was using the Phantom Slash ash of war on the messmer fight and i was beeing confused why i was seemingly not taking damage when he does certain attacks at me, during the startup "stance" of the phantom slash. This video explains everyhing!
Play the boss like a monkey! ! Messmer's crouching scene was surprising. I didn't expect that Latarn could have so many moves and only had to run.😮 Shield and rebellion in Merssmer is really fun! ! ! I also had a shot with no injuries, but I felt like the shot was terrible🥲 Level 2 Messemer's Turn Slash can also be used shield and rebellion
Nice you saw that messmer has more than three parries. He has quite a few actually, some just have very precise or unusual timings. Ive seen loads of people saying he has only three parryable noves. It's funny how rapidly misinformation can spread. No fault of your own of course. Just like many people have been calling the fire knights women for some reason,when they're actually men. Or calling Jori and the inquisitiors men, when they're actually women. Funny old world lol. Cool video. A lot of the strafes on Radahn I didn't know, as well as the clone attack parries. The mid combo turn on Rellana's beams was sick. Love these bosses. So many great fights in this DLC. Not only fun but incredibly cinematic and cool as well. Messmer being my favourite Fromsoft boss.
My guy you gotta do some full no roll kills, you can consistently dodge everything in every boss of the video except PCR (the aoes are just impossible)
Yeah Consort Radahn didn’t have hitbox issues, except his delayed swipe-up & slam down attack, the 2nd hit still ignores rolling from time to time, hasn’t been fixed, but as far as hitboxes go, he’s perfect, nothing wrong with him, people are trying to justify their losses against him by trying to blame anything that may seem remotely plausible but their own skills & not learning his patterns enough, reminds me of the Waterfowl Dance situation, many people tried to say “if Malenia didn’t have Waterfowl Dance, she’d be an easy boss.” And I’m like “no the heck not” because her moveset is insane, yes Waterfowl Dance is the hardest attack to avoid in the entire game, I’d say in the entire Soulsborne series, but she can tape any attack into her combos depending on your positioning, she requires sheer memorization & advanced spacing techniques, she can cancel her staggers if you proceed to hit her with fast weapons, she can initiate long combos, has fast start-up attacks, she has the clones attack into phase 2. What I’m trying to say is even without the Waterfowl Dance, she’ll still be the hardest boss in the game (that is outside of Consort Radahn of course). My whole point is that people like to use cope examples to try to blame the game somehow.
Honestly why they decided to give radahn the most cancerous tracking in the whole game is beyond me, the fact that its been months and people took so long to find these strafe speaks to how stupid hard they are
This is why the nerfs shouldnt have happened at all. Radahn was perfectly fine minus the fact that you can face tank him with a shield, he should have gotten a damage/poise buff when attacking shields.
Personally I'm mixed on the frame trap but I understand why people complained. There were many strategies to deal with it (deflect tear, blocking, backstep talisman, even fat rolling apparently, and probably a couple more). You could even dodge it entirely and consistently with light and medium roll by hugging his right knee and rolling left. It didn't even do that much damage, you could eat the damage and replenish more than you received with one flask. But at the same time players don't like attacks that feel like a total wall. Waterfowl Dance is also a "wall" move in my opinion. You either adapt to it in some way or you lose. If you're already struggling with the rest of his moveset, you're probably below full HP and it's going to end you each time, or you're going to lose too many flasks before you can kill him. I found it acceptable as an ultra high skill ceiling final boss (like the hidden super bosses in JRPGs) but I think it's asking too much of the average player.
Don't even try to defend him. Consort Radahn was a trash boss that was made for the sake of continuing the "FromSoft DLC final bosses are the hardest!!!!" trend. When you make a hard boss with love and enjoyment, you get Slave Knight Gael. But when you make a boss with the "I'm going to make sure nobody can ever beat this boss" mindset, you get Consort Radahn.
I now understand why the devs made him this hard and thought it was balanced. It was because most of his moves can be parried, but the visual and the fact that he almost one shot you everytime in second phase give you enough fear not to try to.
No, stop showing perfectly reasonable methods of beating the final boss of the hardest DLC in the hardest fromsoft game! They're going to nerf him again!
@@vazazell5967 it’s not “unreasonable” because you don’t really need cheats. These games are built on the idea of “trial and error.” Just try shit out and maybe you’ll find a cool new way to avoid a boss’ attacks. Doesn’t matter if you die, at lest you’re trying to be creative😅
@@HeevaEgo those games are built on "tought but fair" not "trial and error" well they were till ER shit the bed Point being, there's no much you will learn when you die in two hits if you don't use a working strat - not exactly a lot of wiggle room to figure extra stuff out. Which is why ALL high level players use cheats for that. Because plain trial and error would be too annoying and boring. Just like they use save files.
You can survive a lot using a defensive setup & 60 vigor to learn stuff. Some people play on console, so no, not ALL high level players cheat. You can look at FACE MAN as an example. Pretty much everyone uses save files though, mostly to refight bosses on demand & to avoid accidentally killing one and having to trigger ng+ and get back to the boss.
@vazazell5967 "These games are built tough but Fair" Ahh yes, my favorite moment on DS1, getting insta-killed for staying too long on a smoke just to respawn with half my health bar and having to go to a completely independ area to Talk with a random NPC or spend 3000 Souls I very likely wont have ❤️ Seriously though, these games ooze trial and error. Is just that once we know these games is when they Become much easier.
Let me know what you think of the stuff in this video, and if you want another one
join the discord server if you want to show me anything - discord.gg/bde4YFG6Ew
Edit: also it appears i was wrong about Messmer’s parryable attacks, he has more than 3
Well, if you've got more in you, another one would be great, because this video is just art with how effortless it makes the boss fights seem.
And I learned quite a lot as well.
Some of the Consort strafes especially were very unexpected.
He sticks to you like glue after all.
Voice over would be nice
Stuff like this is ALWAYS appreciated by me. I'm on console so no CE for me... 😒 I also just don't have the time I used to so anything that cuts down on the learning time is greatly appreciated. I honestly think that what you guys do for the community is really under appreciated. Thanks Ooloh.
Messemer is easily the best boss fromsoft has made mechanically
He's perfect fr
I knew of the first Radahn strafe, and suspected you could strafe his grab (because of its bad tracking) and the pontiff combo (you can do it in DS3 as well). I'm pleasantly surprised to know you can dodge Messmer's fireball from an aggressive position, which normally has a stupid amount tracking. I wanted to test it myself but I don't know how to force an enemy to do the same move over and over again so I didn't bother. 3:08 Crouching isn't necessary here, it's a Dragonslayer Armour moment if you go frame by frame .
Poor Radahn is in the community's "I understand it now" humiliation phase.
Just like malenia
Not really, he is still dogshit for being te first ever Fromsoft boss that's impossible to perform no-roll hitless challenge.
Bro got mahoragad
@@AlvaroOvelar-o3p technically with Malenia you needed to understand one particular move and the rest of the boss was a complete joke. This one after a nerf doesn't even have a broken ability. But it doesn't stop people from gaining style points like this)
@@Sargatas even without waterfowl shes harder than 90% percent of bosses
Learning how to absolutely stunt on these bosses makes me appreciate their high difficulty. With a higher skill ceiling, there's more skill expression and more incentives for player creativity than in previous games.
Expression requires low skill floor like in dmc tho
@@vazazell5967 That's not really true, there being skill expression just requires there to be mastery beyond that which is necessary.
This video is showing skill expression, there are other, far easier ways to mitigate these attacks.
Ongbal is going to have a field day with the impossible parries.
I’ve seen someone strafe Radahn’s clones following the rock sling in phase 2. But it’s extremely precise.
Do you have a link?
@ Yes, YT makes it hard to post links so I’ll post it on your discord
The best way to avoid it is just running right and dodging on the fifth slam. Unless you mean he doesn't even roll on the fifth which is insane.
What a monster! And thanks for this little soft background music through the combat mechanics it was cool it changes from the always epic music.
The things you can learn with Godmode on is crazy! Would have so much fun testing this
HELLO MY HERO YOU ARE HERE TOO 😁
When to learn the boss you need to first learn to cheat, what did from mean by this
0:29 This boss so ridiculous, I almost believed that footage of him suddenly being in the air after that flame slash, was uncut.
ooloh, maybe you won't read this but I wanted you to try raptors of the mist on most of Radahn's attacks, almost every single attack he does, you can dodge by using raptors, and since you crouch with the attack, you won't get hit by them, and the best part is that it won't consume stamina
Messmer and Godfrey are two of my absolute favorite bosses just because of how many ways you can dodge them
Now that I’m watching this video. It makes me realise how similarly fluid PCR’s moveset is to Godfrey’s (makes sense, lore-wise). A lot of the methods of dodging both bosses require jumping and strafing, which made Godfrey in particular an incredibly fluid boss.
P.S. being able to parry The Consort’s clone attacks is just so badass. It reminds me of Malikeths parry, but if malikeths parry was more based on skill and ability rather than timing
0:35 discovered that one myself when the dlc came out, nice to see other people finding out about it.
Actually Messmer has more than 3 parryable attacks. One of wich I exploited the most is the fast slash he does after covering the spear on flame. Then I discovered a second extra one while watching LilAggy's only parry-deflect challenge, where he parried the second in the two combo attack that Messmer does to make distance from you (not sure if the first is parryable too, but in the video he did it consistently by deflecting the first and parrying the second)
3:26 that is so fking cool!
Radahn is actually the only Elden ring boss that can’t be no-hit without rolling.
So the semi strafes are a nice surprise.
You probably meant without s, because it is entirely possible to never roll and use quickstep instead
he can be beaten like that with a tank build, but yeah. I meant No Iframe’s, no-hit and no cheese to be specific.
Mohg?
Mohg is actually very fun doing no-roll.
Even I did it.
@@bananacorn4375 how do you not get hit by the second phase start?
I feel like I am too stupid after watching this video.
Thanks for your detailed tutorial.
Now some dork will copy your moves and say to his friends "Radahn is soo easy"
Appreciate your dedication. I didn't knew you could do that stuff, and I was very mad because I really wanted to. Thanks for showing!
Legit this is the first video "things you don't know" where I actually didn't know the things
exposing my messmer strats 😩 man this video was so awesome and well put together! great job ooloh i hope it blows up ❤️🔥
Game of the year right here.
And stuff like this (and playing Armored Core games) is why I rebound roll/dash/backstep to L2, makes it way easier to strafe when not locked on.
This video is very important
Style points gain guide, I understand...
Where were you when I was so desperate to finish the lvl1 +0 no blessings run…, really had to discover somethings on my own, please we need more, even if it wasn’t the dlc, thanks♥️
You can parry 3:09 the higher double attacks.
3:09 you can parry that actually, but not 3:06, there's a little difference between those attacks 👍
Great video btw 💯
Whoops, guess i missed that attack then
3:08 this Messmer attack is also parryable.
Furthermore, it's possible to parry his grab attack. You just need to jump in 1 second as soon as he initiates his grab attack.
This sure comes in handy, amazing stuff :D
Oh man this is great, who would have guessed how viable just plain running is in this game
I really want to see this type of videos in this channel to improve my gameplay
Awesome video and tech dude
This is so cool! Good job 👏
i had no idea you could strafe those long combos from radahn, thats crazy. Definitely makes the boss a bit better imo
Imagine how Messmer feels being unable to hit the person standing inches away from his face.
ok that's explain why messmer is my favorite boss fight
you get what you see, to make his hitbox bigger they add the fire unlike radahn janky air hitbox
Great stuff👍
Thanks for the credit!
I was using the Phantom Slash ash of war on the messmer fight and i was beeing confused why i was seemingly not taking damage when he does certain attacks at me, during the startup "stance" of the phantom slash. This video explains everyhing!
Play the boss like a monkey! ! Messmer's crouching scene was surprising. I didn't expect that Latarn could have so many moves and only had to run.😮
Shield and rebellion in Merssmer is really fun! ! ! I also had a shot with no injuries, but I felt like the shot was terrible🥲
Level 2 Messemer's Turn Slash can also be used shield and rebellion
We've found ONGBAL's master 😂
Nice you saw that messmer has more than three parries. He has quite a few actually, some just have very precise or unusual timings. Ive seen loads of people saying he has only three parryable noves. It's funny how rapidly misinformation can spread. No fault of your own of course. Just like many people have been calling the fire knights women for some reason,when they're actually men. Or calling Jori and the inquisitiors men, when they're actually women. Funny old world lol.
Cool video. A lot of the strafes on Radahn I didn't know, as well as the clone attack parries. The mid combo turn on Rellana's beams was sick. Love these bosses. So many great fights in this DLC. Not only fun but incredibly cinematic and cool as well. Messmer being my favourite Fromsoft boss.
Awesome video ! 😮
Imagine a 8 foot tall muscle dude with literally a demi god on his back, gets blocked by a tiny shield of some random tarnished 💀
That's some great stuff right there
i NEED to try the 0:35 strafe. I fr thought he had no strafable attacks other than bloodflame slash...
Had no idea Rahdan was nothing more than a Masher
How the actual fuck thats crazy cool
Thanks
commenting so i can comeback to this during my ng6
This is the hardest boss in eldenring
My guy you gotta do some full no roll kills, you can consistently dodge everything in every boss of the video except PCR (the aoes are just impossible)
gemerald
Question , how are you forcing bosses to do specific moves ? What mod is this
very good video
Really cool
so crazy
wtf? daeeem i didn't know it 3800hous.
are you light rolling ??? does it make a difference?
Man you people can't even parry basic soldiers let alone this Beast
The utter disrespect
Also yes we want another ones, preferably with lock on. Thanks.
So the hitbox haters did have a skill issue at last…
Yeah Consort Radahn didn’t have hitbox issues, except his delayed swipe-up & slam down attack, the 2nd hit still ignores rolling from time to time, hasn’t been fixed, but as far as hitboxes go, he’s perfect, nothing wrong with him, people are trying to justify their losses against him by trying to blame anything that may seem remotely plausible but their own skills & not learning his patterns enough, reminds me of the Waterfowl Dance situation, many people tried to say “if Malenia didn’t have Waterfowl Dance, she’d be an easy boss.” And I’m like “no the heck not” because her moveset is insane, yes Waterfowl Dance is the hardest attack to avoid in the entire game, I’d say in the entire Soulsborne series, but she can tape any attack into her combos depending on your positioning, she requires sheer memorization & advanced spacing techniques, she can cancel her staggers if you proceed to hit her with fast weapons, she can initiate long combos, has fast start-up attacks, she has the clones attack into phase 2.
What I’m trying to say is even without the Waterfowl Dance, she’ll still be the hardest boss in the game (that is outside of Consort Radahn of course). My whole point is that people like to use cope examples to try to blame the game somehow.
Honestly why they decided to give radahn the most cancerous tracking in the whole game is beyond me, the fact that its been months and people took so long to find these strafe speaks to how stupid hard they are
I'm not tripping and the footage is sped up by like 10%, right?
Nope ur tweaking lool
Nice fornat 👌🏻
OK this was mindblowing 👽
Expecially some moves with Radahn and Rellana are very nuts, gonna try those asap!
Lovely work right there 💙
Peak
Be careful of strafing Radahn's grab, i ran into some Ds2 ass moments on my first playthrough 😭
This is why the nerfs shouldnt have happened at all. Radahn was perfectly fine minus the fact that you can face tank him with a shield, he should have gotten a damage/poise buff when attacking shields.
Personally I'm mixed on the frame trap but I understand why people complained. There were many strategies to deal with it (deflect tear, blocking, backstep talisman, even fat rolling apparently, and probably a couple more). You could even dodge it entirely and consistently with light and medium roll by hugging his right knee and rolling left.
It didn't even do that much damage, you could eat the damage and replenish more than you received with one flask. But at the same time players don't like attacks that feel like a total wall. Waterfowl Dance is also a "wall" move in my opinion. You either adapt to it in some way or you lose.
If you're already struggling with the rest of his moveset, you're probably below full HP and it's going to end you each time, or you're going to lose too many flasks before you can kill him. I found it acceptable as an ultra high skill ceiling final boss (like the hidden super bosses in JRPGs) but I think it's asking too much of the average player.
Don't even try to defend him. Consort Radahn was a trash boss that was made for the sake of continuing the "FromSoft DLC final bosses are the hardest!!!!" trend.
When you make a hard boss with love and enjoyment, you get Slave Knight Gael.
But when you make a boss with the "I'm going to make sure nobody can ever beat this boss" mindset, you get Consort Radahn.
@Cerise__ Slave Knight Gael was a joke and too easy for the final boss of the DS trilogy. Friede and Midir were better bosses.
I now understand why the devs made him this hard and thought it was balanced.
It was because most of his moves can be parried, but the visual and the fact that he almost one shot you everytime in second phase give you enough fear not to try to.
Bro wtf 💀
I still have no idea what those bosses are doing and i don't care
🦦
No, stop showing perfectly reasonable methods of beating the final boss of the hardest DLC in the hardest fromsoft game! They're going to nerf him again!
Those aren't perfectly reasonable when you need cheats to even discover them.
@@vazazell5967 it’s not “unreasonable” because you don’t really need cheats. These games are built on the idea of “trial and error.” Just try shit out and maybe you’ll find a cool new way to avoid a boss’ attacks. Doesn’t matter if you die, at lest you’re trying to be creative😅
@@HeevaEgo those games are built on "tought but fair" not "trial and error"
well
they were till ER shit the bed
Point being, there's no much you will learn when you die in two hits if you don't use a working strat - not exactly a lot of wiggle room to figure extra stuff out. Which is why ALL high level players use cheats for that. Because plain trial and error would be too annoying and boring. Just like they use save files.
You can survive a lot using a defensive setup & 60 vigor to learn stuff. Some people play on console, so no, not ALL high level players cheat. You can look at FACE MAN as an example. Pretty much everyone uses save files though, mostly to refight bosses on demand & to avoid accidentally killing one and having to trigger ng+ and get back to the boss.
@vazazell5967 "These games are built tough but Fair"
Ahh yes, my favorite moment on DS1, getting insta-killed for staying too long on a smoke just to respawn with half my health bar and having to go to a completely independ area to Talk with a random NPC or spend 3000 Souls I very likely wont have ❤️
Seriously though, these games ooze trial and error. Is just that once we know these games is when they Become much easier.