NEW: Ryzen MSI B350 Mortar Motherboard Unboxing - MicroATX, AMD Ryzen AM4
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Micro ATX motherboard for my AMD Ryzen video editing computer.
All in all it looks like an awesome motherboard. I can't wait until I have all my other components and can get this baby up and running! I hope this will make me enjoy video editing a little more! Editing videos on my laptop just sucks because everything you do lags a few seconds. The preview playback is ok on lowest quality setting, scrubbing through content is garbage, rendering times are supper long. My laptop did fine until I got my new camera that does 50Mb/s bit rate. Files get huge fast. This video alone is 23GB of raw video files. 4.7GB edited down. I can't wait, this thing is going to be the boss!
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I gotta be honest. This was one of the best motherboard reviews I've ever seen!
Good Job m8.
Vinnie S. Yeah no bullshit straight to the point
You would be better off powering up your motherboard on the wooden table than the bag. The best way to test is to screw in the brass stand-offs and then power up the board on a wooden table. This protects the back of the board from any possible shorts and damage to surface mount components and the solder joints of the through hole components.
Not all static bags are as forgiving as the black anti-static ones. Some, like the silvered bags are conductive. It's best not to get into the habit of using any bag.
I am considering this board for my next upgrade. Great video, thanks Maker.
Thank you for posting this! The board looks better than I thought. I might be doing this mobo with an r5 1600 after seeing an overview video
classicrockonly can you make it work without a gpu with your build (that what i have )?
*One does not simply walk into Mortar*
lol
wat
MORTAR, lol
i get it
Thank you. I have been waiting for someone to show this board on UA-cam being as it is my top contender for my new AMD build. You are the first one.
+The Armored Blue Dragon IKR! I was waiting too. Then I was like screw it, I'll be first then 😁
Thanks for the review man, great job even without considering this is the first time you unbox a mobo!
Thanks for this video. I have the same board & CPU, and I couldn't get it to power on. I took everything out and just plugged in the power, like you did, and after a couple of tries, it finally took power and lit up. I still don't know if there are other problems yet, but at least I know the board lights up now. I was about to RMA.
You are Great,
Hope you Get Million Subscribes
Most detailed review of a motherboard ever.
Actual hardcore overclocking has an excellent about what voltage regulators are for and what they do.
Short story is this msi b350 mortar (and the rest of the MSI b350s, EXCEPT the b350m gaming pro) have 4+2 phase vrm (meaning 4 true phases for Vcore and 2 true phases for SOC voltage) which are good, and you will be able to overclock 8 core ryzens on these without problems. Just buy a b350m MSI board (excluding the gaming pro) if you want the best b350m power delivery.
ASUS 4+2 are also good, gigabyte 4+3 boards are not as good because they use cheaper mosfets which can't handle the same temperatures. Asrock b350 boards have a Vcore phase count that looks like "6" but in reality it's a 3-phase with layout trickery to fool people, AVOID ASROCK B350 boards.
Also avoid b350 boards without VRM heatsinks since you can get true 4+2 phase boards with a heatsink (like this B350m mortar) for the same price.
bobsagget823 nice info...
bro, should i buy this main(MSI 350m mortal) and ryzen 5 1600/ryzen 7 1700 ?
bobsagget823 Thanks for the explanation. Should I get a MSI B350m Mortar or a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3? Which has better power phase and VRM?
Actually I finished a build with the mortar + 1700 + 2x8gb 3200 B die for a friend and overclocking was a disaster. If you set the core voltage at or higher than 1.3V or so the CPU will get permanently downclocked to 1550MHz. I also kept the core voltage at auto and messed with memory subtimings & load line calibration and the same thing happened. Ultimately had to end up leaving the voltage at auto and left the cpu at 3.6GHz.
The truth is AM4 boards are still buggy as fuck and if you're one of the lucky few who run into a problem like this it's unlikely you'll ever solve it. The downclocking bug seems to happen to a lot of boards (b350/x370) at random. Otherwise the bios for the mortar is actually pretty good, but it is missing core voltage offset, b-clock adjustment, p-phase overclocking, doesn't have dual bios, and the rgb functions are intentionally nerfed (need x370 board to get more than 7 predetermined colors, there's also another mobo vendor who nerfs the rgb controls on their b350 boards but I don't remember who). Oh and the mortar has the longest post time I've ever seen, it seriously takes forever to boot.
IMO, go with the gigabyte board. The AB350 Gaming 3 is actually a full size atx board so I wonder if you made a typo there, but if that was intentional then it's definitely the better choice. Better sound chip, dual bios, more pcie slots etc. Power delivery should be very similar and you don't have to deal with MSI's stupid bullshit.
All the am4 m-ATX boards are basically cheapo pieces of low-end shit that just happen to look nice. If you're looking for a 'high end' m-atx AM4 board: it doesn't exist lol.
Thanks a lot, really appreciate the info. I was gonna go for a mATX board because they're cheaper, but I guess not. I've just noticed the Mortar doesn't have full VRM cooling either. Do you know if the MSI B350 Gaming Plus and Tomahawk boards are any good? They're the same price as the Gigabyte Gaming 3.
Power Phases are for the CPU "buck" regulator (not Boost), It takes the 12 V power from the power supply and "chops it up" into bursts. The Capacitors store the energy and then feeds the system from it. Each time it chops is one phase, the more phases, the shorter the system needs to feed from the capacitors (this is better), so 6 phases are better than 4 phases, and 10 phases are better than 6 phases.
That explains it. Thx!
it basically multiplies the equivalent switching frequency, single phase at 100kHz looks like 100kHz, however 6 phase at 100kHz looks like 600kHz to the load, so it is much easier to filter out higher frequencies with the capacitors without having to operate a single mosfet and inductor at 600kHz. it also helps with load spreading, 6 smaller things is better than one big thing.
Each buck converter phase will still have a ripple on it, even with the capacitors. By having multiple phases, and staggering the switching(phase) of each buck converter's control switching(pulse width modulation), the overall ripple is reduced. This leads to smoother power regulation.The more expensive the board, and the more likely the cpu is to be overclocked, the more power phases tend to be used.
We are simply identical! I am your age, i edit vids on my laptop as well and i chose exactly the same setup as you! Unbelievable! You will become a great youtuber soon!
The antistatic bag have a conductor coating ( idk if only on the inside or not ) so powering the motherboard on it may not be a great idea. i usualy use the cardboard box for that
But nice hardware/review anyway
good video young man, I liked
... good, smart and nice work, very good video quality... thaks...
Put the motherboard on the box it came in not the bag. Those bags are conductive and can cause damage to the board when you power them up on them.
Nice unboxing, i Will buy this motherboard to “)
“I don’t have enough money for it yet” that’s a mood
That Ryzen cooler with the light ring looks pretty sharp for a stock cooler.
Nice video dude. So how has your new build been treating you and pardon my seemingly dumb question but is this motherboard capable of overclocking? This motherboard has caught my interest.
I love you to dont know what that is... and you don't know what that is either
Nice video :D
Hey, quick question and would like it for a quick response :D
did u got the processor with the motherboard, i assume not but i just wanna be sure.
thx!
Do not put the graphics card on the support as you do !! You can have a circuit course because it is the protection against static electricity so you have to put it on the cardboard box!
Спасибо! качество видео отличное ))
really nice
what type of ddr4 ram will you use with this motherboard and with ryzen proc. ?
Hi!Can i overclock GeIL Protenza DDR4-2400 16384MB PC4-19200 to 3200.How do u think?If you know what ram can overclock to 3200 for ryzen.Answer please
Currently using it with corsair dominator platinum 8gb and can only get 2667 on the mem let me know what ram you get and the speeds
Will the DVI, Display Port, HDMI work if there is a graphics card such as 1060
What did you mean when you said this display type port won't work with ryzen processor? I am planning to get 1600 with this mobo and 1070 founder's edition. So I won't get the g sync advantage?
He meant that you can't connect a display port cable to your motherboard since the Ryzen CPU doesn't have integrated graphics. If you have a graphics card with display port, it will work.
when you say "heyyyy" somehow it reminds me idubbbz lmao
Is your build complete? Would like to check the rest of the build.
i am guessing the yellow wire is from the PSU. I did not know u you just turn it on, hook it in and touch the board like that.
I heard since the m.2 slot is below the graphic card, it weill get hot and it's not good, your thoughts on this? Thanks!
Possibly. Would depend on the graphics card design. Personally I would not worry too much about it unless I get a graphics card that runs super hot.
Can i change that orange/red led color of the motherboard?
Could you please check which EZ Debug LEDs are on for you when the CPU is installed? Can't really tell from the video. I also have this motherboard (the arctic version) and have a setup without RAM (I still have to wait for it about 1-2 weeks) but when I turn the PC on, not only the DRAM but also the CPU LED is on which worries me as I can't confirm if this is normal, or there is any problem with the mobo or with the CPU and I should send them back.
The DRAM and CPU LED's were on when I tested it in the video. I thought there was something wrong with it too. I think it is just because the CPU can't even run the CPU test without the RAM. Good luck with your build!
Makerj101 that is some really good news, thanks a lot for the reply :) I have a 1700X, hope to somewhat OC it with a pair of Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200
Nice!!! That's the same RAM that I got. Let me know how your turn out! I need to finish my build video.
so did you finish i read that mobo take forever just to get the post screen, its that true
Hi. Can I ask you a question? The mother has an onboard GPU? i want to buy this mother with a Ryzen5 1600, but I'll buy the gpu in a few months. Thank you.
No there is not an on board GPU. The RYZEN CPU's are only the CPU. You need an APU to use the on motherboard display outputs. Currently with RYZEN you MUST use a separate dedicated graphics card. The APU's are supposed to release later this year.
I tried test boot with my new msi b350 tomahawk coupled with Ryzen1700 and corsair vengeance 3000 ddr4 rams. It came on and posted then I did a soft restart...after that it never came back on again...it turned into a brick so to speak. Now I'm just waiting for RMA from Newegg. It kinda give me a flash back of my incident when I watched you test boot. I cleared cmos and reset everything but it never came back on again, Not even a single LED. Maybe I got a bad batch...Now I'm thinking of switching to asrock fatality b350 k4 gaming instead. I don't know yet, because they're about the same price range. I just don't want to go through that nightmare again. I was up half of night trying to figure out what went wrong. What do you think??? should I give a msi am4 tomahawk another chance or go with asrock fatality k4 b350 mobo...from my research asrock b350 has more vrm phase like 9 and also (2) m.2's and 6 sata ports...instead of MSI's 6 phase or 4+2 not too sure, and (1) m.2 and 4 sata ports...asrock fatality b350 might achieve better stability in overclock do to higher vrm phase count. I will need to make up my mind by Monday. They both have very good pros and cons. But I care more about stability at this point...
If you decide you want the same set as the tomahawk but a diffrent look, try MSI B350 PC MATE. It's basicly the same thing.
I'm new to building a PC I have this mother board, but does the motherboard come with Windows? Or any new PC parts?
CarGuy SE-R SpecV Nope, just the board, manuals, and motherboard related apps, windows costs a hefty price extra (like 80 ish dollars).
Thank you!
CarGuy SE-R SpecV No problem! I'm actually just installing this motherboard right now, once I get the system up and running I will tell you how it goes, if it helps?
Cats Corner you can get windows 10 key for 20 bucks.the boxed version was around 80-100 $.Dont buy ultra cheap win 10 keys from ebay or like that that are kind of "fakes".
burak p. Those 20 buck ones are OEM keys, not a key I would want. I got windows 10 Pro installed and it's working wonderfully!
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i make a mistake ..i make a short pin when i open the pc case
and now cpu debug led is ON , but cpu is dead
Does the new apu A10 9700 support usb type C?
Praise the angled USB 3.0 internal port.
Good Intro
its good motherboard for nano s? or manta?
Hi, have a one question: how many Hi and Low mosfets in VRM (under heatsink), 12 or 16?
Not really sure. I can't really see under the heat sink. I'd have to take it off.
I think 12, not 16. In Tomahawk (ATX version of Mortar) 12. Heatsink easy take off by 2 screws, it`s safety. I choose between Asrock AB350M Pro 4 or this mobo. Asrock has a great boot time and great BIOS options (P-state), but stupid PCIe design and 3 phase VRM with 2 chokes and 4 mosfets per phase.
I'm a little bit confused at 1:42 . Are u implying that the display port will be useless if I'm using ryzen 1600 on this motherboard?
+Rayyan Abdul Rahman yep. Ryzen doesn't have integrated graphics. So useless until the next processors come out.
Makerj101 what if i buy a graphics card with it? will the displayport works? sorry newbie here
+Rayyan Abdul Rahman no, you have to plug the displayport monitor into the displayport on the graphics card itself. It doesn't have the capability to make the one on the motherboard work unless the CPU had integrated graphics.
how if this compared to b350 gaming pro version? please help me:)
i bought this board and a ryzen 7 1700x + hyper x predator 2400 mhz ... it's supposed to work out of the box but i have cpu led + ram led on ... any clue ??
bios isn't available of course ...
MSI B350M MORTAR or MSI B350 Gaming Plus?
Can change the led color on the motherboard?
you touched the thermol past wow?
don't you need Arctic on CPU?
wow really u looked up the manual....... that's new
One glaring omission I've found with the AM4 motherboards is a lot of manufacturers have ditched bluetooth and wifi support.
Phanbot01 Yeah, it's really weird, almost none of the boards have it. The only one I saw was an asus one that you could install through a spare m.2 port. The upcoming itx boards will probably have them though.
nah x370 taichi have wifi ac and bt 4.1 the killer/ac and fatality pro have one too
Hi could you help me choosing ram ddr4 with 3200 frequency which uatx motherboard is best for ryzen 5 1600 with which brand ram with 3200 hz.
+Jatin Prasad the RAM I got: www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0143UM4TC/ref=ya_aw_od_pi?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If you to the MSI website it has a list of the tested RAM sticks that work in this motherboard.
I can't advice you to buy 3200MHz RAM cuz ryzen holds only 2666. You're wasting money...
for God's sake, please don't put any pcb over that plastic bag side again! 😓
edit: OMG!!! you actually turned on the mobo over that static plastic bag... I fried a mobo once that way. please, mind that that side has electric conductors... is almost like if you turned on a metal surface...
The bag is static dissipative, rather than conductive. It has a high resistance. Still, your point is valid. He'd be better using the cardboard box. I would install components on the bag, but test operation on the box.
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Can i turn the leds on the motherboard off?
Yep! All the LED's can be turned off in the MSI Gaming App
yeah on bios setting of course.
Hey just ordered this, hows it holding up for you ?
ill be getting mined today, how was ur experience with it?
Can you go to the bios without the gpu ? I have the same thing but with a ryzen 5 1600
No, you need one of the CPU that has integrated GPU for the on board video outputs to work. Ryzen 1600 is only CPU
thks !
Do all motherboard works if you do that
I subbed
Are the mortar good for oc
this video is looking crisp as fuck :D
is that light red or orange? camera makes it look orange.
+Iamcorn it's mostly red. A little orangeish
it's 2018.. where's your editing machine now?
You should go back to the abounded crane that was cool
bro pls answer.
i can find the speaker pin for beep speaker
and i cant install win 7
+tuah cool manual tells you which are the speaker pins. I couldn't get the beeper to work on mine. I kinda think it's the bios that's giving me the problem. But not really sure.
I thought Windows 7 wasn't supported anymore? I could be wrong tho.
Sorry I couldn't help you more. I'm not really much of a computer guy.
bro,, biostar motherboard have LED RGB in the motherboard and can be sync with fan RGB led or led strip
is this Msi can do that? is the Led on the back can RGB?
If I build a ryzen PC without Grafikscrad, is it going to work or not?
KexxFade it all depends if your cpu has onboard graphics
Pesesse Adrien Ryzen 5 1600
KexxFade no it doesn't have onboard graphics so you'll need a gpu
dose the bios need to be flashed when installing?
Not really. There are a few newer versions of a bios so I would recommend updating it once you have your system up and running. Mostly bug fixes and such. It's pretty easy. Just put the downloaded bios files on a flash drive. reboot and go into bios. in the basic bios page click M-flash. then select the file and let it do its thing. It'll restart or something and that's about all there is to it.
okay thnx for the help!
Can u show us what pins you used to turn it on
Never mind i found it from this vid thx
will this mobo be able to handle 1800x?
Yep!
does this motherboard can used 3200mhz of ram?
Yes.
cool
Don't power boards on anti static bags. You can quickly ruin your board this way. Power on the motherboard box instead.
is this board has dual bios thing like gigabyte 1?
It doesn't appear to.
So updating bios in this mobo is risky? Coz no bios back up...😗
+faisal rahmat hmm I've never heard of dual bios before so I'm not really sure. I updated the bios on my board twice and it seemed pretty easy. You update the bios using a USB drive.
for the case....I highly recommend corsair carbide 88r
+IKH TV I instead got the Corsair Obsession 350D
yep that's still pretty solid choice
IKH TV im planning on getting the 400c, cause i like the door
I'm going to use the Phanteks Enthoo Evolve MATX TG.
Not a good idea to bench boot the motherboard on the anti-static bag. Static charge is designed to discharge externally across the bag surface. You could brick your board. Wood is safer. Thanks for the video otherwise.
can you overclock the cpu with this?
Yep! I've gotten it to 3.6Ghz with the stock cooler
do if the gigabyte ab350 gaming 3 can overclock?
You should be able to. My understanding is all boards with the b350 chip can be overclocked.
Are you running the 1700 overclocked?
If so, *is the CPU able to automatically downclock/reduce voltages (shift P-states) when idle?* There are reports that ryzen is locked to the OC'd clock & Vcore when overclocked which burns a ridiculous amount of power for no reason, and then there's reports of P-state switching/downclocking still working when overclocked but depending on the board.
Literally there's no reliable information about this on the entire internet for the MSI B350 boards, please someone for the love of god answer this question LOL.
I have the B350 mortar & a 1700 coming in for a friend and I need to know. PLEASE FUCK
im interested in this board too, plz report back abt those voltages and Ryzen + memory overclocking experiences! ^^
Check here for reliable information: forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/ Just read the first paragraph.
You can't raise the clock of the processor without dropping all power saving features. Which sucks.
Well fuck me I swear to god some people still have P-state downclocking working on their boards. I know the high end asrock ones and the asus b350 prime (according to some random comment somewhere) might have that working, and possibly gigabyte with the newest AGESA coming this month (not remembering where I saw that though). The ASRock one for sure though because each P-state has its own volts/clocks in the BIOS. Guess the low end boards are shit out of luck.
I know for a fact in the ryzen master user manual they state that C-states & P-state OCing should work but FUCK. Shit.
Thanks for the link though, will go through it.
Well, the link only talks about overclocking, so maybe downclocking works regardlessly? :)
what does an overclocked ryzen do during idle? ._.
I know this video is pretty old, but please, for the love of... well anything really, don't power up a motherboard while it's resting on the outside of an anti-static bag, those things are designed to be conductive on the outside, to protect the components on the inside from static electricity. You're super lucky that you didn't short something important and kill the board.
a shame this motherboard only has 2 fan connectors, i need 3
+CGNT 175 it has 4 fam headers
More-tar
Could you crossfire with this setup?
+Nippledozer I believe so
I think you could. However, I don't think you'll have enough PCIe lanes to fully take advantage of a crossfire setup. You have to go with a x370 chipset.
You are crazy ryzen 7 with HD 5870
+Zur Tram I'm actually still using this graphics card even after about 4 months. If it really hurts you that much, I won't turn down a nice upgrade if you wanna send me a little gift! ;)
The motherboard always goes self-check...
What's your phone?
LG G4. Removable battery baby!!!
You should upgrade to the V20 maybe if you still want removable battery.
Yes, I also gad a MSI b(250) Motar for Intel CPUs , It looks like it is the same. And yes it is good but the bios is jus shit .... :D
Please make more Videos but your computer build... :D
only 2 sata ? My core 2 duo motherboard has 4 wtf
+RTZ TriHard it has 4 SATA. Two that come straight off the board and two that are at a right angle. I wouldn't have bought it if it only had two
@4:53 😂😂😂
I know putting your motherboard in the antistatic bag is a no no. the inside is safe but the outside is not. im seeing so many people here doing that.
You'd have much smaller files if you didn't record in 60fps, but you do you
+WHAT THE PLANTS CRAVE very true. But then I would not be taking full advantage of my $600 camera. Personally I think the quality of 60fps video is a lot better than just plain 1080p.
i have a 64 GB SSD and :D you can have it i just subscribed to you're Chanel
You have to pay taxes on a UA-cam channel? Whaaaaaa?!?!
anonimuso yuuuuuppppp... it sucks. around 15% like everyone else. now if I made less than $2000 on a year then I wouldn't have to file taxes.
anonimuso still better than the 35% in the Netherlands, but that's just if you make more than 7K if you're a student
Don't power the motherboard on the anti-static bag!!!!
DON'T TOUCH THE PINS! STATIC ELECTRICITY KILLS BOARDS!!!
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