I have a feeling that any girl that Leslie showed an interest in would be called no good. If the girl’s fathers occupation was Neurosurgeon, Leslie’s mother would have found another reason why the girl was no good. Toxic parents suck!
When mom's do that, drive other women away, they tend to have a fixation on their boy. They want him for them selves. Or want to fully control him, its a sickness.
As the son of a domineering narcissistic mother, I can relate. Had he grown up in a truly caring family, I'm willing to bet his life would have been much different.
I think this case falls in line with a long list of cases which serve as good examples why you shouldn't say things like "What are you gonna do, shoot/stab/explode me?"
Also maybe a good example as to why not abuse your children. Since it looks like a lot of people still need a separate reason for it, other than it's inhuman, wrong and actually against the law.
@@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 Yeah, telling your kid that you don't want them to date a particular person is abuse. Best to let the kids run the household...
My Australian father used to employ men who had no interest in returning to their overseas homes after WWII. Usually they had a wife and children they wanted to forget about and mostly wanted to lay about and drink all the time. Some American magazine television show even did a segment on one of his employees who didn't go back home and his wife and children had thought he was dead from the war for 20 or 30 years but somehow he was finally traced to Australia. He had no remorse for the agony he had caused his family.
His mother didn't approve of his girlfriend because her dad was a truck driver??! Ah, the good ol' days when people let their petty stereotypes and prejudices just hang out 🤦🏻♀️
What happened to Crystal? She was probably a nice average person who had spend the rest of her life dealing with the guilt of being peripherally involved in these horrible murders. And poor little brother Jim!
I'm curious how you think Crystal would end up feeling guilty. Like she had any control of what he would do. She probably felt glad she didn't end up marrying him!
I think one of his high school classmates helped him escape too. Leslie was highly thought of by his HS classmates and teachers even after the murders and nobody liked the Mom. There wasn’t much you could do back then if you were seeing a child being abused.
What a horrid mother. Proof of just how that narcissist element in mom really knocks the s--- out of a child. Not condoning his actions but there's a deeply imprinted REASON for it, perhaps.
I recognise the mother's personality. My lil sister is the same monster to her son, but worships her daughters. If we had guns in the UK, Im sure the son would have shot her by now. Even Im tempted.
"And a justified dislike of surprise parties." lol. I had to laugh when you said that. Unbeknownst to me, my son was passing by....and I heard him laugh from behind me! 🤣 He said, "I love that guy, Grande's the best!" 🤣 YES, son, he IS! 😆✌️❤
I remember my mom fuming in anger one night because she couldn’t believe her daughter was going to marry someone who went to a junior college. My sister didn’t marry her fiancé. His father died and my sister gave him less that week to get over it. He didn’t, and the relationship was over. Seems like she lost interest in someone that couldn’t live by our standards of not getting over problems within 10 minutes.
Because it's not a "high end, respectable" job 😂😂😂😂 If people weren't Doctors, CEOs, or Chairmans of some sort of business, they were "low" and "dirty". Sounds like the mom and dad of Leslie didn't want Leslie "tarnishing" their family's reputation by him dating a daughter of a blue-collar job worker 😂😂😂
Truck drivers had reputations for very sleazy behavior when fewer people were truck drivers. Truck stops had their own prostitutes. These are a lot less common now. Why this would necessarily make his daughter like her father, even if he was that sort, is in her head, though.
This is a very interesting story. I've heard a few other stories of people who escaped prison after being incarcerated for murder at a very young age and they went on to lead a good life, at least in the eyes of those around them. It's all so confusing and sad in so many ways.
Once again, a great analysis. Even though he was free, he was still in prison. I don't know if serving his full sentence would have given him any peace....murdering your parents is top notch up there. I was relieved to hear he didn't commit any other crimes.
On the other hand, nobody knew where he was for a long time, he could have killed more people than Bundy and just kept moving. Who knows what he did in his spare time? Back then people could just disappear. He had some real tendencies, to grab a gun and shoot each parent 5 or 6 times and bury them in the backyard. At least he kept them close, like Gacy did.
But he was a child psychopath. He wasn’t a victim, he was manipulative and as Dr Grande said extremely selfish and entitled. I’m sure he was an extremely difficult kid. The mother may have been narcissistic but he was worse
@@jjgreen5206 it’s possible that his mother’s behavior may have turned him into a narcissist but I doubt he was a sociopath/psychopath. The circumstances sound more like a “crime of passion“ than a pathological personality disorder.
@@auntiefan4202 Yeah, I don't understand why multiple people here are referring to Leslie as a psychopath, when the video pretty clearly shows that he wasn't.
His mother didn't deserve to die but she deserved to be held accountable for her abusive behaviour. And by the system not even thinking about that, this is what you get. She didn't treat him "like a child", she was abusive, and that's not a normal way to treat any human. We can't just pretent like her cruelty towards her own child didn't exist. This was the cycle of violence in action, and in a weird way it's lucky Leslie didn't kill other, innocent people but turned on his abuser instead.
It doesn't sound like 1st degree premeditated murder. It sounds like his mother emotionally abused him for years and he snapped. Not saying that it is right, but should have been 2nd degree.
“He traded a physical prison for a mental one” I felt that. I can’t imagine living in constant fear. U are never supposed to put down ur guard even for a second. That’s very hard. How he managed to pull thru shoes he was a very determined man. At least he took care of his family.
Because he was a truck driver? Dude, my buddy is a truck driver and makes over 100 grand a year. Maybe times have changed but still. I’ve always respected with those guys have to do with long hours, stress, and a hell of a lot of intelligence, to be able to figure all that stuff out
His family referring to him makes me think of my old man. No one knew much about him or his origins and he NEVER spoke about them, just vague references to 'back home.' You know that they don't want questions asked when no one ever asks them.
This is but one of the many cautionary tales of the DNA tests that "reveal" the origins of your ancestry. "You are 23% Italian" is absolute rubbish, but the other uses of your DNA are downright scary. Yes, some say that it has been instrumental in apprehending previously unknown subjects of horrendous crimes. How might it also be used against the very person who submits his DNA? We don't know yet, but time will tell.
I did it (possibly against my better judgment) to find out my "ancestry." It was interesting, but then when I saw the margin of error on my ancestry, I wasn't very impressed with the results. I think the end goal is to get you interested enough that you buy a subscription.
I can think of a couple. Higher medical premiums for health insurance, if it's determined you have a DNA marker for a disease. Same reason to be denied life insurance. Also, tracking down people for very petty crimes. Right now, mostly used for murders/identifying victims. Down the road, they'll be using it for anything, like ringing a doorbell and running away.
@@jkjives1786 I've seen publicized tests in which identical twins (and a set or two of identical triplets) sent in their identical DNA and got wildly varying results. As I mentioned, these results are absolute rubbish.
@@jeulogy702 They never implied Nebraska was the only place that had scary people. Hell, up until he finally died, a very scary man who changed his name to, Mr. Lambert, moved to Nebraska and he was incredibly dangerous. Last I heard, he hired two of the best gunmen west of the Mississippi to violently stalk & blackmail Mr. & Mrs. Schwartz unless they agreed to participate in his financial crimes. He had a kill count of almost 300 people directly and indirectly caused by him. There are rumors he was even partly responsible for a major plane crash after the air traffic controller suffered a mental breakdown because his daughter killed herself. However I also heard that Mr. Lambert defeated an entire community of Nazis so maybe he's not all bad. He committed these many killings to protect his family after all. I also heard he's a meth chemist but maybe I'm wrong on that.
10:00 Is it just coincidence that this was posted on Mothers' Day? I'm not making a diagnosis, only speculating about what could be happening in this video.
I hated my mother for her abuse, lies and manipulation but I never thought about hurting her in anyway. I just wanted to be loved and accepted like my brothers. When I’d had enough, I cut her out of my life completely. She died alone and forgotten by her real children
Dr. Grande I know all of your content these days is geared towards current affairs and events which is great but I was wondering is there anyway you could do a bit on the Lindbergh baby kidnapping cuz there was a lot of interesting stuff there...thnx
@Ray Ross me too!!,,, and there is great speculation that Lindberg himself was behind the kidnapping.. Lindbergh was a real lunatic ..he would hide the baby and then make like he disappeared until his wife was in hysterics... he was a nut and he didn't like the baby cuz there was some kind of deformity or something which Taps into the whole Eugenics thing.. he had children all over the place. .... American hero my ass now don't get me wrong what he did was phenomenal. Took a lot of guts but he really wanted the 25000 prize money... anyway just focusing on the crime there was a lot there I would be very interested if doctor Grande could look into it and hear his thoughts
The abused pull the trigger right on time ! after that William Leslie Arnold was freed. He lead a good life and he never went back. Very rare personality type .
Im really conflicted about this one. Treating a child like that can create such a dark place inside of them. It sounds like she tried to break his spirit. Maybe his mom didnt deserve to be gunned down like that, but im not sure what people expect when they mistreat their children and pick favorites. His father had to know this was happening, which i feel makes him partially to blame for that resentment; but im sure he was only killed because he showed up.
@@ev25zv It wasnt just the girl, did you watch the whole video?? He explained some of the abuse the boy faced, and I'm not conflicted about the fact that murder is wrong. He was a teenager, already being emotionally abused, add that to the hormones and frustration of being denied basic privileges. Every death is not a tragedy, some people really are terrible humans.
@@kailakatsaidthat9130 He said they didn't approve of his girlfriend and they didn't want him to take the car out and they had arguments. Sounds like a family with a teenager. Where are you getting all your info about the parents or is this what the kid said when he was arrested? Either way, he was 16. He could have gotten a job and moved out. In that era, that was very common.
@@no-ic5gw Regardless of trauma, the kind of games his mother was playing don't justify murder. And I understand trauma first hand. You can forgive, you can move away as soon as able, you can go no contact and you can get help. It would seem he has possibly inherited some of his mother's mental issues with the lack of remorse and sense of entitlement he had. Oh - but yes - that's a really good book everyone could do with reading. xx
“A tremendous sense of entitlement “? Because he irrationally fled prison? So if he’d served a few months more and completed his formal sentence, according to Nebraska law, he could have been categorized as repentant as taking responsibility? Perhaps that’s true but it could also have been calculating and unrepentant. His escape shows deeper paranoia: I’m behind the eight ball and all I can do is run, try to make my best of it. With a mother like this it’s likely he’d have such a worldview. His father, who “did nothing”, was not guilt free: he passively allowed his wife to create this horrible home. Was he justified in killing? No. Should he have served out his term? Yes. But those would ideally be signs of a soul at peace. He hadn’t found that. I wouldn’t call that entitled.
There's no excuse for murder ever unless it's self defense but his mother's treatment of him was terrible. For her to call a girl "no good" just because her father was a truck driver is pathetic! His explosive temperament and his mother's controlling and unfair favoritism was a lethal combination. In saying that, I want to repeat, there is zero excuse for murder!
Boo hoo. I’ve known mothers with more impressive records when it comes to torment. Dr. Grande is correct; a selfish man with a tremendous sense of entitlement.
@@barneyronnie it does not expressly teach that. But the mosaic OT law says if you kill someone accidentally, in an workplace accident or perhaps even defending yourself, without previous animosity towards them, you could run to a city of refuge and have a trial. Where if found innocent of murder, you would have to live in that city and never leave it’s borders until the high priest died, perhaps decades or the rest of your life. It also said if the family of the “manslaughter” victim caught you before you made it to the city of refuge, that was too bad for you.
I'm surprised that you say the dad did nothing to provoke Leslie. The fact that he did nothing to protect his son from the mother's abuse is very concerning. In any case, Leslie probably felt compelled to kill his dad because of how his dad was reacting to the death of his wife.
Agree, also Dr, Grande said that the father's immediate reaction was to try and attack and attack Lesley TWO times when a normal reaction would be to try to calm him and call the police. It really looks like the father has also been abusive and probably hit Lesley many times before.
So you believe the killer's side of the story? Mom can't tell her side and neither can dad. None of us were there. So there is no way to know the truth. But suuuuure, the killer is the victim.... 🙄
The mother sounds like a sadistic abuser, who was aided and abbetted by her weak husband. Maybe they had it coming. That's sometimes what happens when you ruin a child's life with psychological torture for years on end, the person on the recieving end can't take it any more and finally snaps. Many people should not be allowed to procreate as they do not value the lives they are responsible for.
While not condoning the murders, I would take a look at what appears to be the passive attitude of Leslie's father with respect to the mother's treatment of their son. It is unfortunate that he did not step in and take control of what was taking place in the home. Adolescent and teen boys benefit greatly when their development has a productive paternal influence as they grow to adulthood. There are many exceptions, I know, but if possible it is best to have a positive father figure. Part of today's societal problems stem from the prevalence of broken homes or those that were mother-only from the start.
Some women will kick a man out of the house or leave if he corrects her or stands up to her, or call the cops and claim all kinds of BS. If I’ve learned anything in 45 years, there are ALOT of Covert narcissist women out there . ( I stay away from CN men because they are easier to spot in my opinion
@@nataliep501 what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the case. Women have SOLE authority for reproductive rights. men have NO reproductive rights. stop spreading mis-information and gaslighting.
Domineering and controlling women almost always end up with submissive men. Nobody else will put up with their sh*t. It only gets worse the longer their married because the man just becomes more and more under her control as the years go by. Two adults, choosing a situation, fair enough. The problem comes in when they have children. NOT a healthy environment. Though the dad doesn’t participate in the abuse, the child still inevitably (and understandably) grows to resent him for not standing up for himself or his children. Pretty similar to Jeffrey Dahmer’s parents dynamics actually. I’ve always felt that people should need a license to have children.
I am an only child who suffered neglect. At one point I lived with my Grandparents, because my Mother was unable to take care of me. I was dropped off in the middle of the night and was not able to bring the few toys I had. Not all only children have wonderful lives. I suspect this myth may stem from people who had siblings. I may have misunderstood your comment, but thankful to be able to comment on this regardless
I was an only child of a widow (who was a narcissist and alcoholic) and imho the downside is the parent(s) have nothing to focus on BUT the one child. At best it can result in spoiling the kid, at worst if the parent(s) are disturbed/destructive that is all directed at the lone victim. I was lucky that my mother remarried a nice man when I was 10, and from 12-15 had cousins live with us who were like my sisters. Sadly as the years went on my mother’s drinking and narcissism worsened and after I moved out after college my stepfather bore the brunt of it 😢.
I'm going to make a statement without double checking the numbers because it's almost 3am I'm lazy and just don't care that much but I believe the only child that does better than the first born child is the only child. by better I mean successful in ones career or whatever. On average of course
The mother was more than controlling; she was sadistic, emasculating and, I suspect, relieving her own childhood experiences by rejecting one son and spoiling the other.The father's interest in ameliorating the situation was, in a word, underwhelming. Nothing justifies murder, but family dynamics like this rarely turn out well.
I confess that when listening to the story, when it came to Leslie plotting his escape from prison I went "nooo you'll be released in a few years anyway, what are you doing, you're messing it up," and then when I heard that he escaped successfully and was never caught I went "yaaay good job mate." I wonder if ultimately it would've been better or worse for him if he hadn't escaped and had been released a few years later. He wouldn't have had to hide from the authorities for the rest of his life, he could've talked about his true past freely but on the other hand everybody would've known that he killed his parents as a kid, which might also have isolated him -- maybe he wouldn't have found a spouse and had a family? I mean, having killed your own parents is a huge guilt and a huge burden for any non-psychotic person obviously (and Leslie wasn't psychotic), not being able to talk about it to anyone must also be a huge burden, but everybody knowing about it probably isn't so easy either.
Insightful points that I hadn’t considered. He would still have to report to a parole officer perhaps and could never move on from his crimes. Not sure taking on a fake personality and marrying someone while lying to them about your identity is morally or legally acceptable either though.
“Became angry when neighbors threw him a surprise party” oh man, that’s actually pretty funny. I’m imagining an escaped convict with a secret identity walks into his house fumbling through the dark and a whole bunch of people leap out at him dressed as cops with a cake.
I feel like this guy drug out his prison sentence by escaping. He was never truly free and I bet he realized it. But it was too late by then. He already had a family and life outside of prison. If he had just finished his sentence, he could have lead a freer life post prison.
I believe that he was truly sorry for the murder of his parents. His narcissistic mother pushed him way too far, she was very disrespectful to Crystal and in an instant, he snapped. He obviously moved on and was a productive man that provided for his family. I’m sorry but I blame the mother.
The old fashioned term "while the balance of his mind was temporarily disturbed" applies in this case, I feel. Leslie was driven to a moment of madness by a mother who was struggling with her own mental health issues, teenage boys are impulsive and guns nearby sometimes make it too easy to do harm that can't be undone. Question is, is Leslie led a productive crime free life after he escaped prison, why didn't he just serve his term quietly? I think it's because he didn't want to live life with the label of reformed ex con and parent killer affecting his chances of employment, romance, etc..... I think he decided to start a new life on his own terms - his ego felt, as he had no desire to kill or harm anyone else ever again, that there was no need to serve full sentence, he felt ready for freedom and didn't want to waste any more of his youth. Just as he decided he needed to be free from his parents via an inappropriate and illegal solution, he decided to be free from jail via an inappropriate and illegal solution. Haunted by fear of capture for rest of his life, although apparently made positive contribution to society with family and employment and never got into trouble again. Pretty powerful argument against the death penalty.
There’s a great passage in the Bible about not provoking one’s children to wrath. Maybe because it’s addressed specifically to fathers, the mother didn’t think it applied to her. I believe children of emotionally/psychologically abusive parents can feel as though they’re being destroyed, internally. Unable to escape destruction, they react as though one would who is in mortal fear of their life.
The Omaha World Herald did a 4 part story on this back in 2017. His high school classmates liked him a lot. We drive by his house on Poppleton quite a bit (I’ve had my eye on another house on Poppleton for a few years now). Omaha is a fantastic city with lots of beautiful neighborhoods. The Aksarben area where this is located is a lovely.
I bet his mom was absolutely unbearable to deal with and completely narcissistic. The dad was likely completely whipped and leslie felt trapped and berated. Unfortunately it culminated in him seeing killing his mother, and her enforcer (his dad) was the only way to escape. Ive seen this situation, and I legitimately feel bad for him
I disagree with you doc. Maybe he just wanted to be free, and no amount of sitting around prison will buy him good name and respect, so he changed everything and never killed again! Maybe he just was under much mental anguished from his bully mother???
Yeah, I think that's why he broke out. Given that he had been put in a lower security area of the prison, studied enough to get his GED, and was seemingly fairly well liked by guards and fellow inmates, I don't think he would have had a problem serving a few more years in prison. He escaped not so much to avoid the rest of his sentence before a probable parole, but to escape his past and start over from scratch. He didn't want to suffer the reputational damage of what he had done for the rest of his life.
This has to be one of the most fascinating, polarising (within one's self, even) and saddest cases covered yet. Ambivalence is the keyword here for sure. I'm grateful I had the upbringing my parents gave me as I was growing up. I do think he was narcissistic but surely his mother's relentless ego-malforming abuse shaped him so. You could argue he inherited her cruelty but even then the murders may never have happened had she not bullied him from birth to the extent that she did. My upbringing had many of its own moments and as time passes I'm aware of how all of them, every single one, occurred when the pain and sadness that struck my heart came from the pain that struck my father's heart, and that which struck his father's too, and so on..One of the reasons I believe I don't want children of my own.
Ugh it's not ok to kill but also not ok to have a kid just to push around. Had parents like this. Constantly pacing standing over me demanding I get it done faster. I thought I did a good job on my chores but they were never done right and I would get grounded for doing it wrong. Then they would redo it. I would get grounded for asking how they wanted it done. I would get yelled at for hours for doing it wrong. I just quit trying. my boss at subway thought I did fine. they wonder why we don't call and they can't keep help.
Whoa! So glad for your final analysis, Dr G! For a while there i thought you were going to say that not everyone needs life in prison for killing. But you punctuated that nicely for me. I mean, I feel bad for Michael Bever, but he still belongs in the clink. Thanks for all your hard work!
I don't think you engaged with the idea that if he posed no risk to society after the murders then a life sentence doesn't seem as warranted beyond just vengeance or something. Like he seems to be some sort of exception to the idea of imprisonment for the sake of protecting the public
The effect of a narcissistic parent(s) can have severe emotional traumatic impact on a developing adolescent. I am not condoning what Leslie did. The guy was traumatized by a mean parent. He didn't have the tools then to help him.
I don't agree that Leslie deserved to stay in jail. After he escaped he contributed to society as a husband, parent and businessman. He was never a danger to anyone except his mother and father. What purpose would be served by keeping him locked up?
Hard disagree doc. Until you lived with a narcissistic mother I think it’s easy to pontificate about saying Leslie deserved to stay in prison. Narcissistic parents cause more emotional harm than they realize for their children. In effect making their kids different from people raised in normal loving homes.
Can someone please explain to me the history of why he asks if he "can" analyse something when we all already know the answer is always yes? Also, what's with "March fourteen" rather than correctly saying "March fourteenth"?
@@galady8632 it can be the 15th of March or March 15th. That's just normal english. March 15 is a bit less common but according to a lots of these comments it's something for some practices. Generally, in English content creation you'd expect the date said conversationally, so with that expectation it's incorrect. But if he wants to make content with some more niche specific pronunciation that's his choice.
He also appears to dislike megan and Harry which i find annoying as its common out there. People should leave them alone to pursue the life they want which is away from their stupid father the now king of England and his wrongfull wife.
I can't help but wonder if Todd intentionally lined up those Saguaro Cactus arms, perfectly overlaying each other, to identify which of his watchers of his channel are actually crazy. Not that he is diagnosing anyone that sees it, only speculating about whether they are crazy or not.
He probably has an idea, even without the cacti. Half because they have a mental illness, and half because they're trying to diagnose someone else. Maybe. 😅
The father, is also accountable I guess? Seems, he most probably let his wife 'rule' over son, when he should be? As a Mother. that woman was a point 1 out of 5 in rating her (motherly) child relationship skills! She seemed to be 'humoring' her eldest son with her "he'll learn what responsibility means" attitude? Looks like, he was raised in the wrong environment for his true personality!
No excuse for murder !But having to spend yrs with a narcissistic mother like that ! would cause the majorly of teenagers to develop a severe anger problem 😢what a sad and tragic story
Dr Grande’s conclusion surprises me. Througout the video he shows us how Leslie despite his crime was actually a decent, loving and productive person. The crime was triggered by very specific circumstances and not a product of his true character. Nothing would have been gained by him sitting out his life in jail just out of principle.
I hope he lived the best life he could after the oppressive upbringing he had! My parents were not quite as bad, but a lot of this rang true to my own childhood!
If you both think what he did is justified because of that minimal abuse, you sound as deluded as he was lol 😂 Majority of parents in that day and age were 1000 times worst than that.
@@aprilwatson8865Agree 💯%. Those were different days back then...l never considered that my parents abused me or my brother & sister, and l look back on a happy childhood...and yet.....my parents were strict and made us 'fade into the background' and keep quiet if guests were around. They continually smoked in the house and the car until we kids were positively nervous. They moved house six times and dragged us mercilessly from region to region and school to school, so we ended up never having any friends. Deadlines for getting home n our teenage years were sacred, and you'd feel the back of my dad's hand for coming home late. We were expected to do all the household chores. Once we became teenagers, we were often beaten up - slapped hard and repeatedly around the head, so l often had black eyes. My brother was beaten up one night before he put his hand through a glass door and then ran away to join the police. Teenage memories are of my sister and l constantly crying because of some row and slapping by mum & dad. My parents stole my Saturday job money and often would not give it back. In spite of all this, l have no regrets and consider that we had a happy and privileged childhood. That was the way back in the day!
Had to defend you today. Doc. Watched a video from True Crime Loser, who is one of my favorites, and he took a dig at you about Gwyneth Paltrow. Then the comments had all these simps just hating on you. I was like wtf is going on?? Grande is awesome! I couldn't believe it. People calling you a misogonyst and right wing. Hated seeing that on one of my favorite channels. Really turned me off. I love your videos and your comedy. Anyway, hope people go to this video and tell em how it is!!!
I don't agree with misogynist, but he's definitely right wing. There's evidence sprinkled throughout his collection of uploads. Not that it matters to me - I'm moderate. Just saying, he clearly favors Republican ideology over the Democratic.
The irony is she was worried about the truck drivers daughter, but didn’t have the foresight to see she was the one who raised a killer.
And so this is our shortcomings today as well. 🙄
I have a feeling that any girl that Leslie showed an interest in would be called no good.
If the girl’s fathers occupation was Neurosurgeon, Leslie’s mother would have found another reason why the girl was no good.
Toxic parents suck!
So true I know if I had a descent father , I would not have got into half the trouble.
So you shoot her 10 times???!!!
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When mom's do that, drive other women away, they tend to have a fixation on their boy.
They want him for them selves. Or want to fully control him, its a sickness.
@@bradsanders6954Empty nest syndrome. Leads kids to hate their mothers for life.
I'm not diagnosing but only speculating it's safe to hit like b4 watching Dr Grandes videos.
As the son of a domineering narcissistic mother, I can relate. Had he grown up in a truly caring family, I'm willing to bet his life would have been much different.
I think this case falls in line with a long list of cases which serve as good examples why you shouldn't say things like
"What are you gonna do, shoot/stab/explode me?"
Yes, some people have a hard time distinguishing a rhetorical question from a real question.
Also maybe a good example as to why not abuse your children. Since it looks like a lot of people still need a separate reason for it, other than it's inhuman, wrong and actually against the law.
@@girlwhomustnotbenamed4139 Yeah, telling your kid that you don't want them to date a particular person is abuse. Best to let the kids run the household...
@Johnny Natural Nonsense. She just made it happen minutes sooner than it would have.
@@ev25zv I agree, hardly abuse. Kids just don’t like to follow the rules.
My Australian father used to employ men who had no interest in returning to their overseas homes after WWII. Usually they had a wife and children they wanted to forget about and mostly wanted to lay about and drink all the time. Some American magazine television show even did a segment on one of his employees who didn't go back home and his wife and children had thought he was dead from the war for 20 or 30 years but somehow he was finally traced to Australia. He had no remorse for the agony he had caused his family.
PTSD is a hell of a condition.
I know about other soldier's that didn't go home to America from Vietnam. And many became alcoholics. There were many alcoholics come out of wars, 😢.
@@goatgod2009that’s not PTSD,that’s being a selfish a sshole.
@@goatgod2009 That isn't usually bc of PTSD. It's more narcissistic in nature than anything else.
@@goatgod2009 PTSD the most overused excuse of all time.
His mother didn't approve of his girlfriend because her dad was a truck driver??! Ah, the good ol' days when people let their petty stereotypes and prejudices just hang out 🤦🏻♀️
People still do that in front of others
We called them class conscious pigs.
@@KatherineLaura6564 so to kill is the correct solution ha?
What good old days, it's the new norm
Yeah, everything would stop were it not for hard working truck drivers. It's an honorable necessary profession.
The guy had a better life on the run from prison then most people that never commit a crime.
How so?
@@barneyronnie he was always ready and ready ...lol not sitting infront of tv!
@@barneyronnie He got away from Nebraska and ended up living in Mt. Tamborine.
@@barneyronnie He left America
@@peterbunting4360 Omaha Nebraska is awesome. I was shocked when I moved there in 1981. It sure wasn’t on my bucket list either.
What happened to Crystal? She was probably a nice average person who had spend the rest of her life dealing with the guilt of being peripherally involved in these horrible murders.
And poor little brother Jim!
Yeah, this story left me wondering how Crystal's life played out, as well as the "recent parolee" who helped Leslie escape.
yes and the brother...
I'm curious how you think Crystal would end up feeling guilty. Like she had any control of what he would do. She probably felt glad she didn't end up marrying him!
I think one of his high school classmates helped him escape too. Leslie was highly thought of by his HS classmates and teachers even after the murders and nobody liked the Mom. There wasn’t much you could do back then if you were seeing a child being abused.
@@SirenaSpades Was he a bad husband?
It's so weird that he escaped from prison when he was going to be released anyway. That makes little sense.
With a mother like that who needs enemies?
What a horrid mother. Proof of just how that narcissist element in mom really knocks the s--- out of a child. Not condoning his actions but there's a deeply imprinted REASON for it, perhaps.
I recognise the mother's personality. My lil sister is the same monster to her son, but worships her daughters. If we had guns in the UK, Im sure the son would have shot her by now. Even Im tempted.
"And a justified dislike of surprise parties." lol. I had to laugh when you said that. Unbeknownst to me, my son was passing by....and I heard him laugh from behind me! 🤣 He said, "I love that guy, Grande's the best!" 🤣 YES, son, he IS! 😆✌️❤
I remember my mom fuming in anger one night because she couldn’t believe her daughter was going to marry someone who went to a junior college. My sister didn’t marry her fiancé. His father died and my sister gave him less that week to get over it. He didn’t, and the relationship was over. Seems like she lost interest in someone that couldn’t live by our standards of not getting over problems within 10 minutes.
Narcissist mom and narc daughter.
I guess your sis doesn't have a great relationship with her mom
Hey! I think we may be related!!
The ex-fiance dodged a bullet!
Weird story to share on YT comments... Seems like you need some friends
Geez. What’s wrong with being a truck driver? Why did this make the daughter no good?
Because it's not a "high end, respectable" job 😂😂😂😂 If people weren't Doctors, CEOs, or Chairmans of some sort of business, they were "low" and "dirty". Sounds like the mom and dad of Leslie didn't want Leslie "tarnishing" their family's reputation by him dating a daughter of a blue-collar job worker 😂😂😂
Truck drivers had reputations for very sleazy behavior when fewer people were truck drivers. Truck stops had their own prostitutes. These are a lot less common now. Why this would necessarily make his daughter like her father, even if he was that sort, is in her head, though.
She was obviously a snob.
That's the killer's story. The parents can't tell their side of it.
My grandmother once, very late in life, said the preacher in her community refused to shake hands with people below status of a teacher.
His mother’s treatment of him was evil. Better for him to walk away forever than to react, obviously.
This is a very interesting story. I've heard a few other stories of people who escaped prison after being incarcerated for murder at a very young age and they went on to lead a good life, at least in the eyes of those around them. It's all so confusing and sad in so many ways.
Once again, a great analysis. Even though he was free, he was still in prison. I don't know if serving his full sentence would have given him any peace....murdering your parents is top notch up there. I was relieved to hear he didn't commit any other crimes.
the relive came from quick work out of grave digging....better than any psychologic therapy
No other crimes that we know of.
@@mrazik131 😅😅🙈🙈
On the other hand, nobody knew where he was for a long time, he could have killed more people than Bundy and just kept moving. Who knows what he did in his spare time? Back then people could just disappear.
He had some real tendencies, to grab a gun and shoot each parent 5 or 6 times and bury them in the backyard.
At least he kept them close, like Gacy did.
The mom sounds like a narcissistic mother with a golden child and a scapegoat for her two sons. Thanks for the video.
Nobody would be good enough for her son type. Her twisted mind said she would loose a son. 😡
But he was a child psychopath. He wasn’t a victim, he was manipulative and as Dr Grande said extremely selfish and entitled. I’m sure he was an extremely difficult kid. The mother may have been narcissistic but he was worse
@@jjgreen5206 it’s possible that his mother’s behavior may have turned him into a narcissist but I doubt he was a sociopath/psychopath. The circumstances sound more like a “crime of passion“ than a pathological personality disorder.
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@@auntiefan4202 Yeah, I don't understand why multiple people here are referring to Leslie as a psychopath, when the video pretty clearly shows that he wasn't.
You have to give him some credit for not getting in trouble ever again.
His mother didn't deserve to die but she deserved to be held accountable for her abusive behaviour. And by the system not even thinking about that, this is what you get. She didn't treat him "like a child", she was abusive, and that's not a normal way to treat any human. We can't just pretent like her cruelty towards her own child didn't exist. This was the cycle of violence in action, and in a weird way it's lucky Leslie didn't kill other, innocent people but turned on his abuser instead.
@@wmdkitty the story was not told with that angle. You are making a lot of assumptions with no evidence.
He was a child and shouldn't have been dating at all. Get a job. Grow up. Move out 🤡 Toddlers are sick 🤮
It doesn't sound like 1st degree premeditated murder. It sounds like his mother emotionally abused him for years and he snapped. Not saying that it is right, but should have been 2nd degree.
I thought it was 2nd degree murder? Hmm. Back to the tape! 😊
I agree.
“He traded a physical prison for a mental one” I felt that. I can’t imagine living in constant fear. U are never supposed to put down ur guard even for a second. That’s very hard. How he managed to pull thru shoes he was a very determined man. At least he took care of his family.
Because he was a truck driver? Dude, my buddy is a truck driver and makes over 100 grand a year. Maybe times have changed but still. I’ve always respected with those guys have to do with long hours, stress, and a hell of a lot of intelligence, to be able to figure all that stuff out
His family referring to him makes me think of my old man. No one knew much about him or his origins and he NEVER spoke about them, just vague references to 'back home.' You know that they don't want questions asked when no one ever asks them.
This is but one of the many cautionary tales of the DNA tests that "reveal" the origins of your ancestry. "You are 23% Italian" is absolute rubbish, but the other uses of your DNA are downright scary. Yes, some say that it has been instrumental in apprehending previously unknown subjects of horrendous crimes. How might it also be used against the very person who submits his DNA? We don't know yet, but time will tell.
I did it (possibly against my better judgment) to find out my "ancestry." It was interesting, but then when I saw the margin of error on my ancestry, I wasn't very impressed with the results. I think the end goal is to get you interested enough that you buy a subscription.
I can think of a couple. Higher medical premiums for health insurance, if it's determined you have a DNA marker for a disease. Same reason to be denied life insurance. Also, tracking down people for very petty crimes. Right now, mostly used for murders/identifying victims. Down the road, they'll be using it for anything, like ringing a doorbell and running away.
@@jkjives1786 I've seen publicized tests in which identical twins (and a set or two of identical triplets) sent in their identical DNA and got wildly varying results. As I mentioned, these results are absolute rubbish.
Nebraska has their fair share of scary people.
So does everywhere.
@@jeulogy702 They never implied Nebraska was the only place that had scary people. Hell, up until he finally died, a very scary man who changed his name to, Mr. Lambert, moved to Nebraska and he was incredibly dangerous. Last I heard, he hired two of the best gunmen west of the Mississippi to violently stalk & blackmail Mr. & Mrs. Schwartz unless they agreed to participate in his financial crimes. He had a kill count of almost 300 people directly and indirectly caused by him. There are rumors he was even partly responsible for a major plane crash after the air traffic controller suffered a mental breakdown because his daughter killed herself. However I also heard that Mr. Lambert defeated an entire community of Nazis so maybe he's not all bad. He committed these many killings to protect his family after all. I also heard he's a meth chemist but maybe I'm wrong on that.
I know right! Like didn’t like someone because their father was a truck driver,and taunting someone with a loaded firearm.
Mostly because of the murder part.
@@nocnoc9931 That’s just the media trying to turn people off about conservative non-liberal states- propaganda
That reverse psychology trick shouldn't be attempted on someone who is prone to rageful violence and is angry in the moment.
10:00 Is it just coincidence that this was posted on Mothers' Day? I'm not making a diagnosis, only speculating about what could be happening in this video.
I hated my mother for her abuse, lies and manipulation but I never thought about hurting her in anyway. I just wanted to be loved and accepted like my brothers. When I’d had enough, I cut her out of my life completely. She died alone and forgotten by her real children
One time my alcoholic mother shoved me, tbh I’d have shoved back but I knew she’d lie and tell my dad I started it and he’d deck me.
*any way
That is very sad
And you want the whole world to know about all your unfortunate upbringing?
What people are willing to say on the internet about their dark past for some Like is actually amazing.
Dr. Grande I know all of your content these days is geared towards current affairs and events which is great but I was wondering is there anyway you could do a bit on the Lindbergh baby kidnapping cuz there was a lot of interesting stuff there...thnx
I agree! All of the speculation about Charles Lindbergh actually orchestrating the kidnapping and death of the baby is really intriguing.
I hope he covers Lindbergh's interest in eugenics also.
@Ray Ross me too!!,,, and there is great speculation that Lindberg himself was behind the kidnapping.. Lindbergh was a real lunatic ..he would hide the baby and then make like he disappeared until his wife was in hysterics... he was a nut and he didn't like the baby cuz there was some kind of deformity or something which Taps into the whole Eugenics thing.. he had children all over the place.
.... American hero my ass now don't get me wrong what he did was phenomenal. Took a lot of guts but he really wanted the 25000 prize money... anyway just focusing on the crime there was a lot there I would be very interested if doctor Grande could look into it and hear his thoughts
Really fascinating story. Sounds like something you could base a movie off of.
Yes, I had wanted to ask whether a documentary or movie spawned this. Very interesting story.
The abused pull the trigger right on time ! after that William Leslie Arnold was freed. He lead a good life and he never went back. Very rare personality type .
Im really conflicted about this one. Treating a child like that can create such a dark place inside of them. It sounds like she tried to break his spirit. Maybe his mom didnt deserve to be gunned down like that, but im not sure what people expect when they mistreat their children and pick favorites. His father had to know this was happening, which i feel makes him partially to blame for that resentment; but im sure he was only killed because he showed up.
Are you insane? They didn't approve of a girl he was hanging around with and so he killed them and you're conflicted? Jesus Christ...
@@ev25zv It wasnt just the girl, did you watch the whole video?? He explained some of the abuse the boy faced, and I'm not conflicted about the fact that murder is wrong. He was a teenager, already being emotionally abused, add that to the hormones and frustration of being denied basic privileges. Every death is not a tragedy, some people really are terrible humans.
There’s a lot more to it than what you see here. Read the 4 part story about it in the Omaha World Herald from 2017.
@@kailakatsaidthat9130 He said they didn't approve of his girlfriend and they didn't want him to take the car out and they had arguments. Sounds like a family with a teenager. Where are you getting all your info about the parents or is this what the kid said when he was arrested?
Either way, he was 16. He could have gotten a job and moved out. In that era, that was very common.
@@kailakatsaidthat9130Thank you so much! You are so correct in my opinion - I needed MANY more words, but you said it better!
Mom was a narcissist and didn’t get it how she wanted it. Some people can’t handle mental abuse without losing it. It can be hard.
Then get a job and move out if you don't like how someone treats you. Not murder them! Wtf...
@@E.C.Animationtrue but you can’t mentally torture one of your sons and treat the other perfectly and expect them to not go insane on you?
@@aalexttostado I agree. This sounds like a “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” situation (on the part of the mother).
@@E.C.Animation read "the body keeps the score". You need to understand trauma.
@@no-ic5gw Regardless of trauma, the kind of games his mother was playing don't justify murder. And I understand trauma first hand. You can forgive, you can move away as soon as able, you can go no contact and you can get help. It would seem he has possibly inherited some of his mother's mental issues with the lack of remorse and sense of entitlement he had. Oh - but yes - that's a really good book everyone could do with reading. xx
Thank you for the Mother's Day 2023 upload, Dr. Grande. Good timing before I go to Pho dinner.
“A tremendous sense of entitlement “? Because he irrationally fled prison? So if he’d served a few months more and completed his formal sentence, according to Nebraska law, he could have been categorized as repentant as taking responsibility? Perhaps that’s true but it could also have been calculating and unrepentant. His escape shows deeper paranoia: I’m behind the eight ball and all I can do is run, try to make my best of it. With a mother like this it’s likely he’d have such a worldview. His father, who “did nothing”, was not guilt free: he passively allowed his wife to create this horrible home.
Was he justified in killing? No. Should he have served out his term? Yes. But those would ideally be signs of a soul at peace. He hadn’t found that. I wouldn’t call that entitled.
There's no excuse for murder ever unless it's self defense but his mother's treatment of him was terrible. For her to call a girl "no good" just because her father was a truck driver is pathetic! His explosive temperament and his mother's controlling and unfair favoritism was a lethal combination. In saying that, I want to repeat, there is zero excuse for murder!
Boo hoo. I’ve known mothers with more impressive records when it comes to torment. Dr. Grande is correct; a selfish man with a tremendous sense of entitlement.
He's a cold blooded killer
@Jenny clark Where does it say that?
His father was a failure at manhood as well. He’s still a cold blooded killer.
@@barneyronnie it does not expressly teach that. But the mosaic OT law says if you kill someone accidentally, in an workplace accident or perhaps even defending yourself, without previous animosity towards them, you could run to a city of refuge and have a trial. Where if found innocent of murder, you would have to live in that city and never leave it’s borders until the high priest died, perhaps decades or the rest of your life. It also said if the family of the “manslaughter” victim caught you before you made it to the city of refuge, that was too bad for you.
I'm surprised that you say the dad did nothing to provoke Leslie. The fact that he did nothing to protect his son from the mother's abuse is very concerning. In any case, Leslie probably felt compelled to kill his dad because of how his dad was reacting to the death of his wife.
Agree, also Dr, Grande said that the father's immediate reaction was to try and attack and attack Lesley TWO times when a normal reaction would be to try to calm him and call the police. It really looks like the father has also been abusive and probably hit Lesley many times before.
So you believe the killer's side of the story? Mom can't tell her side and neither can dad. None of us were there. So there is no way to know the truth. But suuuuure, the killer is the victim.... 🙄
In this case, we differ on the meaning of "didn't do anything wrong" the effect horrible parents have on the psyche of helpless children is criminal.
"In a sense, he traded one prison for another" haunting.
The mother sounds like a sadistic abuser, who was aided and abbetted by her weak husband. Maybe they had it coming. That's sometimes what happens when you ruin a child's life with psychological torture for years on end, the person on the recieving end can't take it any more and finally snaps. Many people should not be allowed to procreate as they do not value the lives they are responsible for.
Sadly you are exactly right here (said from experience), and I must admit that I find Dr.G to be wrong. Thank you.
That mother was something else
"What are you gonna do, shoot me?" Talk about famous last words...
many of us had bad mothers- but we don't murder them.
@@rowyourboat5361 It was a case of a lot of bad things mixing together to form the perfect storm.
While not condoning the murders, I would take a look at what appears to be the passive attitude of Leslie's father with respect to the mother's treatment of their son. It is unfortunate that he did not step in and take control of what was taking place in the home. Adolescent and teen boys benefit greatly when their development has a productive paternal influence as they grow to adulthood. There are many exceptions, I know, but if possible it is best to have a positive father figure. Part of today's societal problems stem from the prevalence of broken homes or those that were mother-only from the start.
Some women will kick a man out of the house or leave if he corrects her or stands up to her, or call the cops and claim all kinds of BS. If I’ve learned anything in 45 years, there are ALOT of
Covert narcissist women out there . ( I stay away from CN men because they are easier to spot in my opinion
Due to men not stepping up or wearing protection?
@@nataliep501 what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the case. Women have SOLE authority for reproductive rights. men have NO reproductive rights. stop spreading mis-information and gaslighting.
Domineering and controlling women almost always end up with submissive men. Nobody else will put up with their sh*t. It only gets worse the longer their married because the man just becomes more and more under her control as the years go by.
Two adults, choosing a situation, fair enough.
The problem comes in when they have children. NOT a healthy environment.
Though the dad doesn’t participate in the abuse, the child still inevitably (and understandably) grows to resent him for not standing up for himself or his children.
Pretty similar to Jeffrey Dahmer’s parents dynamics actually.
I’ve always felt that people should need a license to have children.
I am an only child who suffered neglect. At one point I lived with my Grandparents, because my Mother was unable to take care of me. I was dropped off in the middle of the night and was not able to bring the few toys I had. Not all only children have wonderful lives. I suspect this myth may stem from people who had siblings. I may have misunderstood your comment, but thankful to be able to comment on this regardless
I was an only child of a widow (who was a narcissist and alcoholic) and imho the downside is the parent(s) have nothing to focus on BUT the one child. At best it can result in spoiling the kid, at worst if the parent(s) are disturbed/destructive that is all directed at the lone victim. I was lucky that my mother remarried a nice man when I was 10, and from 12-15 had cousins live with us who were like my sisters. Sadly as the years went on my mother’s drinking and narcissism worsened and after I moved out after college my stepfather bore the brunt of it 😢.
I'm going to make a statement without double checking the numbers because it's almost 3am I'm lazy and just don't care that much but I believe the only child that does better than the first born child is the only child. by better I mean successful in ones career or whatever. On average of course
Victoria I'm so sorry you were neglected during your childhood. I hope you are happy and living a great life. 🙂
@@nhmooytis7058I strongly agree, all the tortured was focused on the single child which they neglect also. That was my experience too
@@astramisie I’d never have an only child if I had a choice, my mom didn’t. My dad died when I was a year old and she was 50 before she remarried.
I actually felt bad for the kid
I hate that killer
Pathetic boys would 🤡
The mother was more than controlling; she was sadistic, emasculating and, I suspect, relieving her own childhood experiences by rejecting one son and spoiling the other.The father's interest in ameliorating the situation was, in a word, underwhelming. Nothing justifies murder, but family dynamics like this rarely turn out well.
Maybe he could have been a man instead of a boy and moved out 🤯 angry incels 🤡
@@terrorists-are-among-us I was explaining rather than condoning. Child abuse has negative repercussions for the individual and society.
I confess that when listening to the story, when it came to Leslie plotting his escape from prison I went "nooo you'll be released in a few years anyway, what are you doing, you're messing it up," and then when I heard that he escaped successfully and was never caught I went "yaaay good job mate."
I wonder if ultimately it would've been better or worse for him if he hadn't escaped and had been released a few years later. He wouldn't have had to hide from the authorities for the rest of his life, he could've talked about his true past freely but on the other hand everybody would've known that he killed his parents as a kid, which might also have isolated him -- maybe he wouldn't have found a spouse and had a family? I mean, having killed your own parents is a huge guilt and a huge burden for any non-psychotic person obviously (and Leslie wasn't psychotic), not being able to talk about it to anyone must also be a huge burden, but everybody knowing about it probably isn't so easy either.
Insightful points that I hadn’t considered. He would still have to report to a parole officer perhaps and could never move on from his crimes. Not sure taking on a fake personality and marrying someone while lying to them about your identity is morally or legally acceptable either though.
I’m sorry. I’m not cutting the grass three times.
“Became angry when neighbors threw him a surprise party” oh man, that’s actually pretty funny. I’m imagining an escaped convict with a secret identity walks into his house fumbling through the dark and a whole bunch of people leap out at him dressed as cops with a cake.
In a sense Leslie Arnold traded one prison for another. 14:52
I feel like this guy drug out his prison sentence by escaping. He was never truly free and I bet he realized it. But it was too late by then. He already had a family and life outside of prison. If he had just finished his sentence, he could have lead a freer life post prison.
He may have been influenced by other, older prisoners.
I believe that he was truly sorry for the murder of his parents. His narcissistic mother pushed him way too far, she was very disrespectful to Crystal and in an instant, he snapped. He obviously moved on and was a productive man that provided for his family. I’m sorry but I blame the mother.
The old fashioned term "while the balance of his mind was temporarily disturbed" applies in this case, I feel.
Leslie was driven to a moment of madness by a mother who was struggling with her own mental health issues, teenage boys are impulsive and guns nearby sometimes make it too easy to do harm that can't be undone.
Question is, is Leslie led a productive crime free life after he escaped prison, why didn't he just serve his term quietly?
I think it's because he didn't want to live life with the label of reformed ex con and parent killer affecting his chances of employment, romance, etc..... I think he decided to start a new life on his own terms - his ego felt, as he had no desire to kill or harm anyone else ever again, that there was no need to serve full sentence, he felt ready for freedom and didn't want to waste any more of his youth.
Just as he decided he needed to be free from his parents via an inappropriate and illegal solution, he decided to be free from jail via an inappropriate and illegal solution.
Haunted by fear of capture for rest of his life, although apparently made positive contribution to society with family and employment and never got into trouble again.
Pretty powerful argument against the death penalty.
Maybe. But he was a kid in a men's prison. He was probably subject to constant abuse, perhaps even rape.
There’s a great passage in the Bible about not provoking one’s children to wrath. Maybe because it’s addressed specifically to fathers, the mother didn’t think it applied to her. I believe children of emotionally/psychologically abusive parents can feel as though they’re being destroyed, internally. Unable to escape destruction, they react as though one would who is in mortal fear of their life.
Toddlers shouldn't date until they're responsible adults. Get a job. Move out. Grow up. Stop whining 🤡🤮
Happy Mother's Day to all the Grande Dames™out there! 💐
The Omaha World Herald did a 4 part story on this back in 2017. His high school classmates liked him a lot. We drive by his house on Poppleton quite a bit (I’ve had my eye on another house on Poppleton for a few years now). Omaha is a fantastic city with lots of beautiful neighborhoods. The Aksarben area where this is located is a lovely.
Love how your studio and audio set up has evolved. Great content as always. Thanks!
I love your 'older crime' case content. ❤
Love this video! I find your content is so interesting and informative. 👍
I bet his mom was absolutely unbearable to deal with and completely narcissistic. The dad was likely completely whipped and leslie felt trapped and berated. Unfortunately it culminated in him seeing killing his mother, and her enforcer (his dad) was the only way to escape. Ive seen this situation, and I legitimately feel bad for him
I honestly don't blame him for snapping and killing them. I'm not condoning it, but i understand.
me too, he was under much pressure from abusive mother. The fact that he never killed again says a lot about him..
@@mrazik131 that we know of
Or ya know, get a job and move out is an option too...
Imagine always looking over your shoulder, giving up everything you love, all because you couldn't wait another year or two to be released.
I disagree with you doc. Maybe he just wanted to be free, and no amount of sitting around prison will buy him good name and respect, so he changed everything and never killed again! Maybe he just was under much mental anguished from his bully mother???
Yeah, I think that's why he broke out. Given that he had been put in a lower security area of the prison, studied enough to get his GED, and was seemingly fairly well liked by guards and fellow inmates, I don't think he would have had a problem serving a few more years in prison. He escaped not so much to avoid the rest of his sentence before a probable parole, but to escape his past and start over from scratch. He didn't want to suffer the reputational damage of what he had done for the rest of his life.
He would have always been labeled an ex-con
This has to be one of the most fascinating, polarising (within one's self, even) and saddest cases covered yet. Ambivalence is the keyword here for sure. I'm grateful I had the upbringing my parents gave me as I was growing up. I do think he was narcissistic but surely his mother's relentless ego-malforming abuse shaped him so. You could argue he inherited her cruelty but even then the murders may never have happened had she not bullied him from birth to the extent that she did. My upbringing had many of its own moments and as time passes I'm aware of how all of them, every single one, occurred when the pain and sadness that struck my heart came from the pain that struck my father's heart, and that which struck his father's too, and so on..One of the reasons I believe I don't want children of my own.
The parents never got to tell their side of the story.
@@E.C.Animation very true, it's nearly impossible to truly know what happens behind closed doors if we don't live on the other side of them.
Yes, these wounds which are passed on from generation to generation. I knew from early on I don´t want children.
@@Sheblah1 💝💝
Ugh it's not ok to kill but also not ok to have a kid just to push around. Had parents like this. Constantly pacing standing over me demanding I get it done faster. I thought I did a good job on my chores but they were never done right and I would get grounded for doing it wrong. Then they would redo it. I would get grounded for asking how they wanted it done. I would get yelled at for hours for doing it wrong. I just quit trying. my boss at subway thought I did fine. they wonder why we don't call and they can't keep help.
Wow! That’s incredible! Thank you Doc!
All I picture in my head when someone describes a person as a “model prisoner” is a guy in a striped jumpsuit and stilettos prancing down a runway.
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“…and a justified dislike of surprise parties…” 😂 so dry, Dr G
Anybody that blows up this easily, is not someone you would want to be a friend of
Starkweather also inspired the infinitly superior 1973 movie Badlands.
SCTV "The Taxidermist" from SCTV 1980s was a classic comedy skit about introducing his girlfriend to his "stuffed" parents.
In 3-D
Whoa! So glad for your final analysis, Dr G! For a while there i thought you were going to say that not everyone needs life in prison for killing. But you punctuated that nicely for me.
I mean, I feel bad for Michael Bever, but he still belongs in the clink. Thanks for all your hard work!
Even after escaping he continued to be a prisoner of his own mind.
I don't think you engaged with the idea that if he posed no risk to society after the murders then a life sentence doesn't seem as warranted beyond just vengeance or something. Like he seems to be some sort of exception to the idea of imprisonment for the sake of protecting the public
The effect of a narcissistic parent(s) can have severe emotional traumatic impact on a developing adolescent. I am not condoning what Leslie did. The guy was traumatized by a mean parent. He didn't have the tools then to help him.
Interesting case, great analysis always. I agree the parents didn't deserve to get killed, he was very selfish. Thanks Dr G😉💖💖
I don't agree that Leslie deserved to stay in jail. After he escaped he contributed to society as a husband, parent and businessman. He was never a danger to anyone except his mother and father. What purpose would be served by keeping him locked up?
I'm surprised that the authorities didn't opt to throw the book at William Leslie Arnold because of the Starkweather case.
Happy Mother’s Day to all the mothers in the comment section!❤
You should do a video on Rasputin 💕
I guess he felt like he couldn’t stand another day in confinement.
Happy Mother's day to your family Doc. Blessings.
Hard disagree doc. Until you lived with a narcissistic mother I think it’s easy to pontificate about saying Leslie deserved to stay in prison.
Narcissistic parents cause more emotional harm than they realize for their children. In effect making their kids different from people raised in normal loving homes.
Another excellent video. "...and a justified dislike of surprise parties." 👍🏻
Can someone please explain to me the history of why he asks if he "can" analyse something when we all already know the answer is always yes? Also, what's with "March fourteen" rather than correctly saying "March fourteenth"?
Saying the date like that is more of a clinical and legal thing
@@pyrettablaze4325 oh I see, I've never heard that from a doctor or lawyer though so that confuses me a bit
Military uses 14 March
'Correctly saying' as per whom? In many countries the date always proceeds the month. Different isn't always wrong - usually it's simply different.
@@galady8632 it can be the 15th of March or March 15th. That's just normal english. March 15 is a bit less common but according to a lots of these comments it's something for some practices.
Generally, in English content creation you'd expect the date said conversationally, so with that expectation it's incorrect. But if he wants to make content with some more niche specific pronunciation that's his choice.
He also appears to dislike megan and Harry which i find annoying as its common out there. People should leave them alone to pursue the life they want which is away from their stupid father the now king of England and his wrongfull wife.
I can't help but wonder if Todd intentionally lined up those Saguaro Cactus arms, perfectly overlaying each other, to identify which of his watchers of his channel are actually crazy. Not that he is diagnosing anyone that sees it, only speculating about whether they are crazy or not.
He probably has an idea, even without the cacti. Half because they have a mental illness, and half because they're trying to diagnose someone else. Maybe. 😅
What a morbid Mother’s Day treat 😅
“A definitive answer in the form of shooting her…” SAVAGE 💀
The father, is also accountable I guess? Seems, he most probably let his wife 'rule' over son, when he should be? As a Mother. that woman was a point 1 out of 5 in rating her (motherly) child relationship skills! She seemed to be 'humoring' her eldest son with her "he'll learn what responsibility means" attitude? Looks like, he was raised in the wrong environment for his true personality!
Nice back ground and all doc.. but i miss the hola shirts😅
Me, too.
Never use those genealogy sites. Believe me, they only lead to trouble for you and your family.
No excuse for murder !But having to spend yrs with a narcissistic mother like that ! would cause the majorly of teenagers to develop a severe anger problem 😢what a sad and tragic story
Always interesting - thank you. One angry young man.
She had it coming 😂
Dr Grande’s conclusion surprises me. Througout the video he shows us how Leslie despite his crime was actually a decent, loving and productive person. The crime was triggered by very specific circumstances and not a product of his true character. Nothing would have been gained by him sitting out his life in jail just out of principle.
I hope he lived the best life he could after the oppressive upbringing he had! My parents were not quite as bad, but a lot of this rang true to my own childhood!
If you both think what he did is justified because of that minimal abuse, you sound as deluded as he was lol 😂 Majority of parents in that day and age were 1000 times worst than that.
Maybe he shouldn't have done what he did, but I understand why he did it
@@aprilwatson8865Agree 💯%. Those were different days back then...l never considered that my parents abused me or my brother & sister, and l look back on a happy childhood...and yet.....my parents were strict and made us 'fade into the background' and keep quiet if guests were around. They continually smoked in the house and the car until we kids were positively nervous. They moved house six times and dragged us mercilessly from region to region and school to school, so we ended up never having any friends. Deadlines for getting home n our teenage years were sacred, and you'd feel the back of my dad's hand for coming home late. We were expected to do all the household chores. Once we became teenagers, we were often beaten up - slapped hard and repeatedly around the head, so l often had black eyes. My brother was beaten up one night before he put his hand through a glass door and then ran away to join the police. Teenage memories are of my sister and l constantly crying because of some row and slapping by mum & dad. My parents stole my Saturday job money and often would not give it back. In spite of all this, l have no regrets and consider that we had a happy and privileged childhood. That was the way back in the day!
Had to defend you today. Doc. Watched a video from True Crime Loser, who is one of my favorites, and he took a dig at you about Gwyneth Paltrow. Then the comments had all these simps just hating on you. I was like wtf is going on?? Grande is awesome! I couldn't believe it. People calling you a misogonyst and right wing. Hated seeing that on one of my favorite channels. Really turned me off. I love your videos and your comedy. Anyway, hope people go to this video and tell em how it is!!!
I don't agree with misogynist, but he's definitely right wing. There's evidence sprinkled throughout his collection of uploads. Not that it matters to me - I'm moderate. Just saying, he clearly favors Republican ideology over the Democratic.
Dr. Grande, despite the morbid subjects that you cover, your dry humor is just the best 😂