Diagnosing Public Figures | Donald Trump / Narcissistic Personality Disorder Controversy
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- This video answers the question: Can a mental health counselor (or other professional) diagnose a public figure? This video also specifically looks at the controversy with Donald Trump, including how some public figures and professional have attempted to diagnose him with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder, and other mental disorders. Ethical principles disallow the diagnosing of public figures, however, some clinicians have claimed that their duty to warn supersedes the ethical prohibitions (including the Goldwater Rule). Dr. Bandy Lee (The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump) and George Conway (Tweets about NPD and APD) have both weighed in on the discussion and their positions are analyzed here.
Diagnostic criteria for NPD:
grandiosity, fantasies of success, special or unique, requiring excessive admiration, sense of entitlement, manipulation, lack of empathy, envy, arrogance
Diagnostic criteria for APD - violating society's norms, lying, impulsivity, irritability or aggression, disregarding safety, being irresponsible, lack of remorse
www.nbcc.org/Ethics/CodeOfEthics
tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/...
The only problem with the Goldwater Rule is that you cannot expect a person with NPD to seek out the help of a mental health professional. In their mind, there is nothing wrong with them.
Exactly. The only way to invoke the 25th is to prove the president is unstable. (not exactly) The president can deny any attempt at diagnosis. In fact, people with cluster B disorders are generally in denial. We should be able to use the power of diagnosis, and thus predictability, for such a high office.
David Rumsey that’s not entirely true.
I agree with you. That is why it is hard to convince Donald Trump he has NPD .
Have you heard the joke about the narcissist who went to the psychiatrist? Of course not - that would be completely unbelievable.
Narcissists do sometimes seek professional help. There are a few reasons why. Sometimes they present with depression/anxiety after a narcissistic injury. Rarely, they present because they have developed some insight (intelligent and not so severely narcissistic usually). In the former case, they will continue to engage until they have secured other sources of narcissistic supply. The latter cases are more interesting in that there is some hope for them through psychotherapy. .
The voice of reason speaks again! Your level-headed approach is so refreshing. The fact that I can in no way discern whether you admire or loathe this man speaks volumes to your level of professionalism and integrity.
Well said, rbee80two.
That's why I love his videos so much. You dont often find unbiased, informational speakers
This is exactly why we love Dr. Todd.
Trump 2020 and beyond.
I'm pretty sure I know his opinion only because of the "Dr." before his name.
I just love Dr Grande's quirky sense of humour interspersed in his very serious presentations.
Once again, Dr. Grande gives us lessons in mental health and personality. He also displays professionalism, integrity and fairness. We need to remember the lessons he tries to teach us about ethics as well.
Until Dr. Grande does a video on how utterly insane and unhinged his colleague Bandy Lee is when it came to Donald Trump (the Dean of Yale's Medical School fired her for acting like an unhinged maniac about Trump and anyone who votes for him), I am left to think his analyses are little more than political hack jobs masquerading under the pseudo-science edifice of psychology.
C'mon Dr. Grande... do Bandy Lee. And don't leave out any of her unhinged statements and behaviors cause I'll be watching in the comments section.
But my guess is you won't ever do Bandy Lee. I think we all know why.
Godless leftists have no legitimate lessons to teach about integrity and ethics.
I had no idea that level-headed fairness could be so exciting to watch.
Agreed 😅
It is definitely out of the ordinary nowadays
I know. I ordered 3.
Serious tho!
Breakstop especially nowadays nowadays
Sounds fair. I liked that I didn’t hear a hint about your political beliefs in this.
@Anal Sex Stinks "it is called BIASED. you like someone you say good things about them. you dislike them you say bad things about them."
Funny that you call him biased. When your own bias is extremely obvious. Your total lack self-awareness is laughable.
@Greg Davison "for example, he had no issue speculating on Joe Biden using only what he sees in media..."
There's difference between speculating if someone has corona virus based on just looking at them, and then telling if someone is missing an arm. You don't need to be even a doctor to diagnose if someone is missing an arm, it's that obvious. And Joe Biden's dementia is so obvious that he is is figuratively flailing around with just one arm.
@Anal Sex Stinks
LOL You should have, because by your reply, you proved my point.
Leftists: Always petty, always ignorant, always losing, always unwilling to learn anything new.
A fair and even handed approach to how difficult it is to diagnose mental health issues.
I'm having to hit the 30 day snooze button when this "dragging the issue to the dark side of the cereal box" gives my Facebook frenemies a chance to ONCE AGAIN make everything an US Against Them libtards game.
His analysis demonstrates his political beliefs as he made it about arm-chair diagnosis vs comparing Donald Trumps public behavior against the DSM, Donald Trump checks every single box on the DSM list for Narcissistic Personality Disorder and Dr. Grande has to be aware of this, he is a well-read man.
I might not be a professional accident appraiser or claims adjuster, but I sure know a car wreck when I see one.
Hahahaha not saying I agree either way but this comment definitely made me laugh.
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You mean Biden or Trump?
More like a train wreck 🚂
Here's a diagnosis few can dispute: Boy ain't right
@D JL --You wouldn't last two days if you were wearing Black Skin. Before you critique those taking statues down as if THAT represents "trying to tear the U.S. down," develop a little bit of empathy. White males have dominated for centuries. Others want some influence over the collective course of the nation since it influences everyone's destiny. You just want to keep Blacks and probably women "in their places" like the other sexist, racist pigs who support Trump. He makes their raw ID seem legitimate. Got your tiki torch ready for the next Nazi parade, do you?
Because you don't agree with his policies? I play the world's smallest violin for you.
Carol, thank you
Oh believe me, there are a lot of idiots out there. Example: the replies to this comment
@@catrinlewis939
Policies? What policies?
Dr Grande is a genuine real doctor and has a logical.approach in all his videos. I learn something everytime I watch his content.
Only people who think like Dr Grande can actually help people.
HE IS AN IDIOT, A NARC AND A DANGEROUS PLANT!! SOROS IS PROBABLY PAYING HIM!!!
Yes with a sprinkling of appropriately respectful humor
@@taralilarose8140 - oh god...haha!!
@@taralilarose8140
I hope that you were trying to be funny...
Dr. Grande, a voice of rationality and cool headed fairness in the vast and untamed wilderness of the internet. ☮️👍
I would love an updated analysis of Trump considering everything that has happened since this video came out 👍🏼
Agreed.
That's actually a great point but I don't think he's changed much . That's not how disorders work.. I do understand why you say this.. I also want to know what he thinks now because he's appeared to have gotten worse..
I concur!
I doubt that the diagnosis would be better.
PLEEEEEASE!?
Extreme insight: "Even when mental health professionals are sitting in front of someone they aren't very good at diagnosing mental health disorders." One of my best friends is a psychiatrist and she says the same thing. At 65 years of age I have seen SO many people who have gone to therapist after therapist and never gotten an accurate diagnosis. People with NPD do NOT seek therapy in my experience. If they do they go a maximum of three times and then they quit when they have to become vulnerable and self-reflective. Personally, I believe most politicians have a degree of Narcissism. Doctors don't diagnose it or "catch it." It causes EXTREME problems in people's lives. As a side note...I think Trump is a whack job.
@Pat McCann Professionals, don't talk like that at least not in public.
Mary Trump Clinical Psychologist ~
"I have no problem calling Donald Trump a narcissist, he meets all nine criteria as outlined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders (DSM), but that label gets us only so far.
@@RWald8888 The actions, behaviours that the person who has NPD has . The fact that grandiose behaviours are part of this means the NPD person would never, ever think there was a single thing wrong with them. So why do they need to undergo a test.
kkheflin3: As a side note.... I think that YOU'R a whack job. Trump has more compassion 4 people in his little finger than the rest of the Presidents put together. A "whack job" would never be able to achieve what he has achieved. He is as transparent of any politician I have EVER seen and that includes Ronald Regan. What exactly R YOUR credentials? So what if your "best friend" is a psychiatrist. They have been trying to "diagnosis" Trump since he came into office & none of them have been right & that includes YOU! You've never even met the man! You have zero EVIDENCE that he is a "whack job." If U had to go under the kind of pressure he has had to endure, then unlike him, YOU would be a "whack job."
Is that your diagnosis then LOL ?
There's a major difference between someone with NPD seeking treatment from someone who isn't. I would think that people with NPD don't often seek treatment. Undiagnosed NPD must be highly underdiagnosed.
Reid Sjaaheim....Sounds right and reasonable to me.
Reid Sjaaheim They actually don’t, because they lie to themselves and others that they’re all good while they continue their insanity while gas lighting and pointing the finger at everyone else all the time.
@@sweetluvgurl Exactly. My sister has NPD and BPD (lord knows what else). Took me many decades but I finally found the healthiest thing for me to do was to cut her out of my life altogether. Nothing was Ever her fault. She was perfect. I was a bank and her punching bag. People with NPD don't see how others see them.
You are right. They do not. Why should they, when there's nothing wrong with them?
Reid Sjaaheim - So basically you're telling me you can diagnose people with NPD even though they're not your patients and you've never spent so much as 1 minute interviewing them? LOL. You people are completely illogical and violate your own rules, tenets, and paradigms (i.e. Goldwater Principle: "the mental health profession cannot diagnose someone who is not their patient"... yet somehow they KNOW Trump suffers from all sorts of mental health illnesses despite Trump never being a patient to any of these same people. LOL).
Doctor, you have earned yourself a loyal subscriber with your integrity.
Me too! Love how people tick.
Yes! And not only one.
but dr did not tell you how much worse it could get...you fell for political
trick.. no exam of obama or others here...oh how much worse it could get..wake up now... exam over... i could pinpoint your wrongness so quick..as above said..
you want swamp and riots and such worse...you will have it.. of course your choice
@@garyc3233 Dr. Grande focused on the ethics of diagnosing a person based on observed behavior. He did not give an analysis of Trump, so why do you think there needs to be one of Obama or anyone else?
@@garyc3233 Take your pills
Impressive how you were able to so thoroughly navigate this topic without letting emotions sway you, like so many. I hope your channel continues to grow so others may learn that it is a positive thing to view topics and situations from multiple angles. It is ok to have varying opinions and views without demonizing others. Thank you for this video. I believe many of your subscribers appreciate you for this logical approach you take.
What a lovely thing to say. So eloquent,🥰
Life and Diy That's what doctors r suppose to do. I was diagnosed the same as an exes aunt mind u there was no DNA connecting us. It was his way of getting even because of our divorce. It was quite a finally and lesson learned.
Very well said ..
Yet one year later in another video he diagnosed Trump as a grandiose narcissist. He should lose his license to practice for diagnosing someone he’s never even met.
@@teresacox2511 psychiatrists are on one level , and business/profit is on another , he is running a business , yes he doesn't care about politics, or the future if the country , he is more concerned about the majority of his subscribers that put the bread on the table sort of speak. ..so , imo because I do believe he is an intelligent individual, he is applying his trade to appeal to the largest audience he can gather ,. Yes it's wrong in the sense of what is right , but not in the sense of business....and he or any others in his
Excellent! As a retired LPC/LMFT I applaud your objectivity and common sense; as well as the organized manner you present what somites is complex material.
Excellent presentation. I found it to be measured, insightful and most importantly helpful personally. I have become a fan of Dr. Grande. I also appreciate the irony of a person named “Grande” discussing narcissism. Just an observation not a diagnosis; LOL!
The only other person named Grande was an RN. Unmarried into her late forties when she did marry.
B. Frost *coincidence*
He didn't choose his last name.
I love how most of the people who watch Dr. Grande's vids can spell and use proper grammar.
We use Grammarly :-)
Hmm, you like that we know the difference between there, they're and their .
Virginia B. Britton 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Well said!
In a work....spellcheck .....tm
Unlike President Trump! 🥴
I am not a clinician, but I grew up being abused by narcissists. Were they 'diagnosed?' NO, but they check all the boxes and I would know their behavior and personality way better than any clinician.
This is one of your most important videos in my mind. As a young man I was diagnosed with conduct disorder and the stigma behind it actually made me worse because I took pride in my behavior. It made me feel like some big strong villain, when in reality I had many insecurities
My husband is exactly like you and he will not get help! He is a miserable person so sad! He is a person with feelings he is torching himself an others by want wanting to get help.
Wow. Tjat was brave. Hmm .insight . you don' see that often. Unless....
.you are playing us. I hope not.
@@jadepaulsen8456 maybe once upon a time.
Psychedelics we’re very helpful in teaching me that my personality issues were me clinging to defense mechanisms, so much to the extent that it drowned out my ability to have a fully developed sense of self. Honesty/authentic self expression is more valuable to me than living a lie nowadays. I see a beauty in it I didn’t see before because when I was young I became convinced that if I was my authentic self I’d never be loved or safe. That’s one of the reasons I clung so hard to antisocial and narcissistic characteristics. Through narcissism, I could feel a cheaper version of “love” which I always felt denied, I could also convince myself that I was worthy of others love. Through antisocial-ness I could convince myself I was always safe because I could control peoples reactions and screw them before they got the chance to screw me. Through all of it though, I was never happy. I had a death wish.
I also sought out treatment a bit younger than most so I imagine this made me less set in my ways.
@@furiousape7717 thanks for that.
Someone who throws parades and rallies for themselves definitely has a sense of grandiose
Lady Luck what parades?
Rallies...all politicians. You are diagnosing? Didn't hear dr,
. Grande?
True, all politicians hold rallies. However, trump continued his rallies even shortly after he was in office and haven’t stopped. Who campaigns 3 years before election season? (That was rhetorical, only trump does)
@@lindseystein9676 why u mad bruh?
@@mechellenorris7951
Lindsey is not mad, but simply pointing out facts.
Why are you mad???
I really appreciate that you having integrity about what you do. Its sucks when people use tools that are meant to help people for selfish and negative reasons. keep up the good work Dr. Todd
Thank you so much :)
I agree u have integrity which is rare
That is very kind to say
@@DrGrande besides integrity, I also like your lack of judgement against people with mental health disorders and your clarity that your role is to help them. It would make me feel like I'm in a safe environment if I was your client.
Yes, but I don't think you can ignore the fact that there is something going on with Trump. I can't give a professional diagnosis but even I know he has something
This is the kind of logic we need on UA-cam!
I respect this man. You cannot judge a book by it's cover.
But, you CAN judge their ridiculous behavior.
@@TanyaDee TDS
@@PoopaChallupa Sad, but (unfortunately) true.
A political historian said on TV recently that, in her considered view, the single most important quality of a good and effective leader is empathy. I agree. And so while not wishing to demonize those with NPD or APD, the traits associated with both are, in my view, highly undesirable in a political leader.
Did you listen to what he had to say?
They are undesirable for any human being. The more of these people we have the more the fabric of society will disintegrate because empathy is a foundation of healthy people and healthy society.
I have to disagree with the doctor here. I know he is trying to give a reasonable and ethical argument for not diagnosing people from a distance but most of these people including trump are dangerous to society and will never go get diagnosed, unless it's court ordered. I give admiration to people like George Conway and the psychiatrists who wrote the book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump" who speak up about this threat to the world. It's why I watch more videos about people who have been abused by cluster b's and share their sories and wisdom because until it happens to you you don't get it. Cluster B's are dangerous and more information needs to get out about it. This might be the silver lining to the trump cloud is that more people become aware of cluster B PD's and theie adverse effect on society.
@Goodnuff Fornow I don't know what you are talking about when "referring to unethical behavior". I think you mistook what I said. I don't know where you think I'm advocating "unethical behavior". What I meant is trump's behavior has been enabled by his lack of consequences for his behavior by his republican party and will continue to get worse and has gotten worse since his impeachment. It has emboldened him even more. He has not gotten any "effective prosecution" for his behavior only enabling. I'm not advocating any criminal behavior against him. That said, he is a very scary narcissist in a position of great power and has done great harm. If the people who think this guy is a strong leader knew how really damaged and dangerous he is maybe they wouldn't vote for him. His base, and everybody for that matter, needs to be educated about cluster B personality disorders.
@@brianwalsh1401 TDS needs a place in the DSM
@@dawn1913 If I were you I would look up cults. One of the facts about cults is that people don't know they're in them until they get out. Also never question Dear Leader.
Amazing the number of high quality presentations you make. Your love and genuine concern for others is wonderful. Thank you.
Dr in video: You can't diagnose someone based on the persona they put on in videos
Comments: Yes I can
Your outfit helps us diognosis you. Narc. Easy
Thanks Doctor Grande. You are like having a therapist in my office.
As long as he doesn’t engage in any unauthorized diagnosis.
This is a good topic to cover. I find it so despicable when laypeople use armchair mental health diagnoses as pejoratives. If you don't like someone, just call them an asshole like the old days!
Passed time Other Harvard PhD psychologists also have proper training. They too publicly & ethically for national security benefit.
Makes sense Conway as a lawyer, is being patriotic beyond a debate, to save our country from real & continuous ruin with amendment 25 or impeachment. Valid.
@Suspicious Ned Flanders There are a heck of a lot of us who do! Yes, try to change my mind then.
But it’s different if they are my driver, my doctor or my president!!
@BrunDog63 That is not clear at all and I didn't even vote for the man. You cannot say that because you may bring bias to the table.
“ Some of the behaviours are worrisome” you’re not kidding. 🤣
Aye.
Dump Chump, In the light of current events, I decided I should refresh my memory with this one since many are once again wondering WTH is wrong with the guy.
@Dump Chump...Amen.
Understatement of the year!
THAT’s an UNDERSTATEMENT!
The Goldwater Rule is ridiculous for highly public figures. We hear Trump speaking extemporaneously all the time, so the idea that one would need to speak to him in a clinical setting to make a diagnosis is just nonsense.
This is such a lovely analysis. This kind of careful thinking and application of technical points in the spirit in which it was intended would make public discourse so much more substantive and constructive.
Dr Grande, thank you for helping me understand
Dr. G, I just discovered this video. Feeling the need to persuade. For a non-lawyer, you've done a stunningly lawyer-like job of laying out your case. But I think we have a forest/trees issue here. You've got the trees exactly right. Unfortunately, the freakin' forest is on fire.
There's a context issue. If your purpose in making a diagnosis is to treat a patient, then I agree with you completely. But that's not what's at issue here. The putative patient, who says that he believes he is a "very stable genius" and cannot be expected to submit himself to examination, let alone treatment, is not just "some guy on the street." He's the most powerful person on earth.
The purpose of any form of analysis is to improve our ability to understand cause and effect so that we can predict better, improve outcomes, and mitigate or avoid damaging outcomes. The talking-head-o-sphere spends an extraordinary amount of time trying to understand why the current occupant of the White House does what he does. I find that considering him to be someone with APD renders his behavior far more predictable and understandable than any other framework or model of which I am aware. So I will use it until a model with greater predictive/explanatory power becomes available. I came to this conclusion 3 years before George Conway did, and unlike it's object, it hasn't disappointed me yet.
Is this a medical or professional diagnosis? Of course not. But I can read the Hare Assessment, score the subject based on his publicly observable behavior, and draw what I believe is a reasonable inference that the president of the United States is a psychopath. The purpose of this is not to insult psychopaths. It is to try to get people to stop wasting time trying to explain his behavior rationally and start focusing on a reasonable understanding of how much danger we might or might not be in and what the hell to do about it.
To your comment that lots of psychopaths and narcissists live normal lives, I would say, "not quite, because if they did, then presumably they wouldn't have wound up being diagnosed as psychopaths and narcissists." To your comment that the 25th Amendment is the proper way to handle this, I would say, "sadly, no, because he has surrounded himself with sycophants, and because Republicans, one of which I used to be, are suffering from a serious ailment that causes the spine to dissolve."
Do the current circumstances warrant a broader view than "it's about treating a patient?" Well, we now have significant reason to believe that if our president's response to Covid-19 had been faster and less, well, narcissistic, the death toll would be tens of thousands lower. That's tens of thousands of lives on his hands. And that is only one consequence of having someone with this degree of apparent instability in charge. Under these circumstances, I cannot imagine why it is too much to ask that mental health professional make statement along the lines of, "This is not a diagnosis because I haven't examined or interviewed him, but I can say that his publicly observable behavior is consistent with a diagnosis of NPD or, more likely, APD, which is a polite way of saying that yes, it sure looks like the president of the United States is a psychopath." Indeed, for mental health professionals to fail to do so and to hide behind the Goldwater rule strikes me as a bad case of doing things right instead of doing the right thing. Because the nation hangs in the balance.
Respectfully,
Dan Wallace
Well done, Mr. Wallace! It was a pleasure to read your comment.
Brilliant response.
There has never, ever been a comment better than this one, everyone agrees this level of commenting had never happened before! BUT on a serious note, I couldn't agree more, well said sir. Of course some ppl are so loyal to a political party they can't pull their heads out of their ass*s (democrats and Republicans alike) and address concerns about their own party like rational human beings. A question warrants an answer not another question posed back to them (i.e. what about what ____ did or said) I recall that being rational only as a child on the playground because WE WERE CHILDREN and didn't know any better.
Aspbergers makes sense to me.
Maybe it'd be wise to look at the CDC's most recent #'s. They are estimating less than 10,000 deaths from COVID alone. The other deaths originally attributed to COVID were deaths tied to pre-existing conditions such as diabetes, asthma, and cancer.
These deaths are no less of a loss, but cannot be solely named as deaths from COVID.
Mr. Biden and most of the mainstream media had a field-day with the POTUS closing down travel from China. He was "overreacting", the "regular flu is far more deadly than COVID" they quipped.
It's disturbing to see how short memory spans are when it critics have to eat crow.
Thank you for distinguishing between diagnosing someone with depression and saying that they are depressed. Job loss, bereavement, housing problems, lack of sleep, a difficult manager, a difficult commute, juggling childcare and work, a poor diet because you can't afford food... so many reasons why someone could be depressed.
We used to just acknowledge that a person is sad, for good reason.
So calm, cool, concise yet thorough and with a smile... Favorite line: "... don't be a President"
This video is helping me to look at the situation with a sense of humor and empathy for people with disabilities even if they are "president".
Important line: "Vote!"
Thank you for being a voice of reason here when everyone else points the finger at everyone else. All I know, is that over the last 6 years or so I woke up and started honoring my intuition, paying attention to my observations, and using my God given common sense. Instead of ignoring what I know is my truth, I decided to acknwlege how I felt, what I observed, and what my common sense told me was going on in my world. I cut everybody out except my BF. Well, as these things continued, I turned my attention to him. The emotional abuse, the gaslighting, things disappearing from my house, the lies, deception etc. Since I asked him to leave, my life is much calmer. I thought I'd share this bc I'm not a Psychologist or Psychiatrist but, I do know how I felt while this was happening and I know how I feel now. Do your research, talk with a professional if possible and follow your own guidance. Bottom line... Love doesn't make you feel like shit. Thanks Doc.
im glad you found that out, you are very smart! God bless
The "Goldwater rule" is a construct. It seems to me that it would actually be much easier to analyze a public figure "in the wild" than on the couch. You get to observe the person actually behaving without the chance of them posing for the analyst.
I agree completely. We have ample evidence of Trump’s psychological characteristics.
rationalguy Exactly. Many people will lie or try to pose a certain way with the different cluster b disorders.
I disagree, I’ve had NPD clients before (several), and you get WAY more personal insight on them in clinical session vs. “out in the wild”.
You get personalized info on family, relationships, cheating, their fears, their faults, their insecurities. It’s 100x more personal than seeing them from afar. And a stranger from afar won’t tell you they’ve cheated on their wife their entire marriage, that’s a massive difference a public face vs. their personal face. You can also catch them in lies and address it in session, vs. in public they can walk away.
*I’m a licensed therapist, certified by The Board of Behavioral Sciences btw.
Great point
All rules are constructs.
What I heard Mary Trump and Dr. Lee say is that a diagnosis is not important, and are not making one. Instead they say that his behavior is so outrageous that it warrants strict vigilance.
Ah, so this was Dr Grande's take 15 months ago on the so-called Trump Narcissistic Personality Disorder CONTROVERSY. Curious to know, Dr Grande, in light of current events and situation would you change, or add anything to, any part of what you've said in this video here??
If not, given the mountain of evidence in support of Trump's sociopathy, Dr. Grande ought to get diagnosed!
What about sending all the governors for therapy
@@siouxrose7766 "Mountain of evidence"....such as? I mean, in your professional opinion.
@@TheCandiceWang - AMEN!
@@siouxrose7766 TDS.
You walked into a minefield on this one.......I think you safely navigated it......well done.
@G G and you believe the Biden camp will save the American people from this?
@@traceyevans8050 As opposed to having trump for 4 more years. You better believe it. trump getting re-elected would be a disaster. I suffer from trump reality syndrome(trs).
G G, I agree! And the whole GOP is spineless as well. Agent Orange is a disaster and will be out in Nov
Juan TwoThree When a cheating, lying, illiterate, reality TV fail cheats to win the presidency with Putins help, I intelligent people are concerned. When cops consistently murder people of color intelligent people are concerned. The protesters you speak of are Trump operatives who are sent to crest havoc and fool Trump’s cult.
Brian Walsh No! It’s TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome and it is very contagious and can be lethal.
Ever the professional, Dr. Grande. Thanks for a non-political viewpoint in these turbulent times.
I appreciate Dr Grande's cool, analytical approach, but I appreciate Dr Bandy's earnest voice more. I believe a warning should have been sounded by more mental health professionals earlier.
I believe Robert J Lifton resigned from the APA over the Goldwater rule. Speaks to his character.
This feels like a Dr Grande video on Dr Grande. I'm glad he is just speculating in all his videos. Although he is VERY good at speculating with the information available.
Do you believe in "Duty to Warn", when you think someone is dangerous as a mental health professional?
I am going to record a video about the Tarasoff case that will answer this question - thank you for the idea!
@@DrGrandeThanks. Please reflect on the ethics as well as the legal status in regards to potential victims and psychiatric patients affects of warnings.
Excellent question! You asked the good Doctor for me! Thanks Dr Grande!!
He already addressed this issue in the video
I still believe in duty to warn if the person has the means to hurt someone, including themselves. I think the Goldwater rule has made the mental health professionals over the top politically correct just to cover their asses and leaving common sense out of the equation.
Take a recent terrorist attack in UK for example. A young guy (born in UK - parents respectable) was imprisoned a few years for dissiminating terrorist material. He did not receive treatment but his behaviour was exemplary and so he got an early release as per law. Less than a week later he attacked several random people. He could have done more harm but because of British gun laws he couldn't get hold of a gun and because he was followed secretly by a police. He was killed that day because he was wearing a fake suicide vest... The people that knew him could have told the outcome, including the psychologist on the board for early release, but because the guy wasn't receiving treatment they let him go.
Now, it is clear to every reasonable person that Donald Trump is not mentally well, but he will never agree to see psychiatrist - and who would dare to take him on anyway and be put on his enemies list? Trump cannot be forced to an examination either. I would say that medical ethics aside, psychiatrists have a moral duty to protect a country from such a person who has substantial political and financial power.
There has also been a growing concern for Trump suffering Alzheimer's or dementia and the recent body ticks and accompanied speech problems indicates that he has definitely something wrong with his brain! I don't know if he has had a diagnosis or not, but it is not really in Trump's best interest of being ridiculed in public and by world leaders just because psychiatrist, diagnosis aside, refuse to speak out? Wouldn't it be kinder for everyone if he retired on some pretext of personal health problems? It would be a win win situation for all. Well, not for power hungry Trump, but it would be the most dignified way of leaving the office.
Trump has certainly increased the awareness of certain metal disorders but not in a good way. Rather he has done exactly what Dr Grande accuses of Mr Conway, the psychiatrists that wrote the book and the media of doing: weaponising mental illnesses against people they don't like with book defenitions.
Dr. Grande, I would appreciate if you could do a video on your experience treating NPD/Psychopathy. It's widely believed this can't be cured for some of the reasons I state earlier. I think many of us would be interested in your experiences and observations. You talk about egosyntonic and dystonic disorders. Since they are egosyntonic, there is no motivation for treatment. These people will never be diagnosed, yet they present a threat to others and society! It's a problem!
Definitely agree. I have been curious for years about how the "treatment" plan (attempt) might go. My master's was in Clinical Counseling & basically all I learned was that PDs are not treatable. I did not go into the profession or seek licensure but this one thing finds a way of revisiting my curiosity
Trump's lack of empathy for all, never giving an apology, personal undeserved self esteem and aggrandizement speaks volumes enough to us all.
I'm looking forward to watching this later Dr G. it fascinates me how we, the people who comment about the topic, also comment and analyse you and the way you present the topic. love it
Just discovered Dr.Grande and saying I'm obsessed with this channel is an understatement
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@@netsyxx1137 obsessive-compulsive disorder?
I agree with and appreciate your distinction between the person and the persona, as well as looking at this objectively. I do think this is generally a fair assessment of public figures. However, I do think there's a valid reason to apply narcissistic traits to Donald Trump as a person, and that is because not all public figures have equal power. When behaviors have real-life effects on the lives of others (Americans, his cabinet members, etc) it makes it harder to believe that it's all just for show. That's like if a murderer tried to make a defense that killing people was just his persona, but really deep down he's the kindest person who wouldn't hurt a fly. When it comes to holding ultimate power, I think it becomes easier to distinguish the person from the persona based on how they wield it. It's not a facade if the consequences are real.
you DR. MUST revisit this video in accordance of what happened on Jan. 6 attack. And people who have NPD cannot be cured and you know that
boom!
The attack was the one of lowest points in US history. To think that anyone can interrupt the US parliament while conducting voting count for the transferring of power. Treason is the action!!
Thank you so much Doctor Grande for bringing some moral standards to our attention. We really need it.
Great stuff as always. All the piffle and labelling in American debates does nothing to address the real issues. Appreciate the compelling delivery and compassionate motivations. We should remember that mental health is about helping people with health problems, not smearing people in mud because it makes our lives simpler
The issue is really made more difficult because of the socioeconomic realities in the US. A wealthy, white young male has a low chance (compared to those of different ethnicities and lower socioeconomic groups) of being penalized within the correctional system, or being subject to a therapeutic intervention that leads to a diagnosis of a conduct disorder or any disorder at all. Our criminal justice system has grossly favorable outcomes for those able to find representation at a high cost. These biases and flaws make it difficult for me to view those who make it to adulthood without a dx in their medical records as being without a diagnosable illness.
In Trump's case specifically, we know from sworn testimony that he has threatened lawsuits against any institution through which he has records regarding his physical health, mental health, academic achievement and where records of early behavioral issues might exist. This is another socioeconomic issue that leaves who receives, and who does not receive, diagnoses, as a very uneven playing field. Just the differences between being seen as a private pay/private care client versus an insurance-based model or court-mandated with a county or state level practitioner, can have very different outcomes in terms of a record of mental health services ever having been accessed by an individual.
While the regulations around diagnoses are well intentioned and designed to protect people, it is arguable that there is such a strong economic bias across all institutions and systems in the US that a pathological individual can avoid detection. I believe public supposition is an outcome of an awareness that there are many rules that do not apply to people born into great wealth.
When Trump was just a TV character, I think he was viewed more as an eccentric and capricious personality. With the public's safety and welfare at stake, the context of the same behavior inevitably changes and the stakes are different. I personally don't believe it's even really an issue a formal or informal diagnosis being made by a professional or non-professional that are eager to do so, we're simply seeing and hearing skepticism and concern reaching a boiling point as different information continually comes to light. It is a curious and unique situation.
I had a massive disagreement with an employer, and as part of his efforts to discredit me, he demanded that I go and see a shrink, because my behaviour had become unacceptable to him...
So don't tell me that psychiatry isn't weaponized...
Dr. Grande, you're not only brilliant but also classy. You deliver your messages with such grace and balance. I really enjoy your videos.
Very good points, clearly made. I can see why this would concern mental health professionals, but I am not particularly worried about the diagnosis at a distance, as there are for example accomplished and ethical surgeons who are psychopaths, therapists who are BPD, etc. but his behavior is very troubling. Some examples: 1) endless tweeting. 2) exaggeration beyond hyperbole (genius level IQ, healthiest physical results, tallest building, etc.) so that one questions his contact with reality 3) often seems to rely on information he made up (when he visited Paradise after devastating wildfires and talked about Finnland not having fires because they "raked their forests" which was then denied by Finnish government officials and roundly spoofed by Finns posing on social media with rakes) which again calls his contact with reality into question 4) Prior criminal behavior, ( Trump University was made to settle numerous fraud cases by a NY state court) 5) Extraordinarily tasteless comments, and apparent glee, about how his being rich and powerful makes women welcome him pawing them 6) His very limited vocabulary makes me suspect declining intellectual function; he does not come across as having sufficient education for his position 7) His inability to select viable officials, as the WH has been a revolving door for its staff, or maybe his selection is good but he can't get along with anyone 8) his wife seems to be allowed to fire WH staff also, which is extraordinary.
While one accepts that our President can make choices that 50% of us will not agree with, in the past I had always believed an adult was in charge.
Evelyn Waugh well said. I agree totally. And I’m a Republican!
With Trump, you have a person who is used to getting what he wants from an early age. He's a billionaire and very very competitive and successful. His name is a household name brand all over the world. He operates in one of the toughest business environments in New York where you have to be tough. I think these factors combined with his giant ego and super self confidence combine to give you the person we see.
He does have all the personality traits you list, and these are considered major personality flaws by many and a divisive personality in politics. However to some, they are also a strength (which makes him a capable leader) and part of parcel of what makes 'The Donald' witty, driven and successful. He doesn't suffer fools and likes plain speaking. I think his heart is in the right place and he means well, but his personality and way of speaking does rub a lot of people up the wrong way.
We often see another side to Trump though, a good family man and a good guy who cares about others and loves his country with a passion. People in prison for many years he gave a second chance in life. The poorest in American society he has focused on lifting out of poverty and improving those cities. He wants everyone to be financially better off and is selfless about himself, takes no salary and has lost a considerable amount of money (hundreds of millions) to get America back on track economically. He wanted to give something back and serve his country. He looks out for the Vet's with proper healthcare, supports law enforcement, the unsung hero's who risk their lives every day on the border and in the cities dealing with violent criminals. He is always bringing ordinary people to the Whitehouse and gives praise and credit where its due, and admires peoples bravery etc. He's a good Christian and promotes Christian values. There's a lot of good qualities in Trump too, which we haven't seen in other Presidents as much as we have Trump, so it's not all bad. And for all his flaws, you got to admire him the amount of stick and criticism he gets, it can't be easy doing that job, many would just quit. He's no quitter though and wants to go a second term and see America fully back on track in the safe zone. Even though it's got to be mega stressful the harassment by the left and the hostile media constant he carries on regardless. And this at a time of life when a guy his age with all his wealth and success can afford to retire or enjoy life a bit.. he's working harder than ever and for the benefit of others, not himself. I think people lose sight of that and get caught up in the negative.
There are people who have achieved astonishing levels of fame and success, like Michael Jackson and Elvis Presley, Warren Buffet etc who remained quite shy and even fragile people or very humble.. Trump is just not one of these people and likes to blow his own trumpet (pun intended).
One thing I have noticed about him, which some may consider bullying, is that he is tough fighter. If you pick a fight with him, he's your worse enemy and he will call you names and ridicule you. However if the shoe is on the other foot he does not take kindly to any ridiculing of himself. He seems to go into a rage and threatens lawsuits or tries to destroy that person. This suggests underneath that hard brash exterior he is emotionally vulnerable or insecure a little. Most people in the media spotlight would just brush off these jokes or mocking about the way he talks and his body language. But he seems mortally wounded. I remember when he was asked about running for President when he was a younger man and started to take an interest in politics, he implied he was not confident he could perform that role and hinted he didn't have the personality or charisma, warmth or charm to be a leader politician.
You're a sore Loser is what I get from your post...get on with life is the cure
Must be a Democrat. Lying should be familiar to you.
Meh...I guess you could make this argument, however I think it's really offensive towards people who definitely suffer these disorders.
Trump is more likely an immoral crook, a criminal and just in general a piece of shit.
Don't be too quick to let him off the hook by implying it's due to some disorder.
You are considered, informed, careful, insightful, experienced and professional. I say this as someone who has benefitted from counseling so I really enjoy your videos. However, based upon what I see elsewhere, these chacteristics have doomed whatever aspirations you may have as a political commentator. My guess is you have none so you'll have to continue doing something meaningful.
I find it tremendously strong of Dr. Grande to be truthful about mistakes that - without question - happen a lot, even by certified personnel during the act of diagnosing clients.
The "medical field" in my opinion severly lacks smart people that are not afraid to rethink diagnosis, are open minded and are willing and able to contribute to further the state of research. We have far too many "dark triad" - dubious and power hungry types far too high up in the hierarchy that lack real skill.
Very objective analysis. We need more people like dr. Grande in our society and media.
Not really. His privilege is showing.
I don’t think so. Sounds more like the republicans not wanting to rock the boat.
Agreed, most people with APD and NPD wouldn't necessarily be considered dangerous.
However, most people with APD and NPD aren't in the position of power that Donald Trump is in.
That's a fair point - Definitely makes everything a bit more complex.
On the subject of Trump, you've probably seen in the news today that Mike Pompeo has claimed that "God sent Trump to save Israel". Which got me to thinking, it would be interesting to see a video from you on that subject; people who claim to have been sent by God, or that "God spoke to me", but who don't present with any outward symptoms of mental illness.
In any other facet of life, claiming to have been spoken to by a deity or god would likely be grounds for a psych evaluation, so why don't we have the same reaction to people who claim to have been spoken to by God, sent by God or whatever it is? And does making these kinds of claims suggest some sort of mental health issue, or are they just lying? Be really interesting to see how far you are willing to go in that conversation. ;-)
Eddie G. I'd be interested in Dr. Grande tackling the "God" subject, too. Donald is also campaigning for 2020, as are many on the dem's side, so I'm looking forward to hearing which of them decide to drag God into the political process, as Mike Pompeo has already done. :)
@@EddieG1888 it's seems it would fall into delusional, there is exception to widely held social beliefs/norms however. I could be wrong, but it seems not to be a mental health concern (I personally dont agree there though...).
@@elainelouve Since Trump has a large family and businesses, I think he would be very much against niclear war. Dead people can't do business. I don't think his children and grandchildren would benefit.
Hilary on the other had seems like she has less to lose.
14:58 you mention that people who have NPD go in to seek treatment. I was taught in my clinical psychology course that people with NPD are both unwilling to seek treatment, and unwilling to cooperate with a therapist if they've been coerced by a close person to take therapy. That is because they are the least likely people to admit to having any problem. I don't think any person with NPD ever got a successful treatment for it, but let me know if I'm wrong!
Who could he be referring to???? 🤔🤔
Also got taught that. But dr grande has years of experience and both his parents are clinical psychologists so he’s got more information than us
Boom!
I definitely agree that mental health diagnoses should not be weaponized and that it’s unethical to diagnose someone you’re not treating, but I don’t think the Goldwater rule is necessarily an untouchable standard either. If a person is publicly displaying dangerous behavior that a clinician is trained to understand anyway, they should be able to say something to warn others. To me it seems very situational, I don’t think having a hard and fast rule is in peoples best interest.
I commented on a recent video asking if you would do one on the Goldwater rule, and now I found that you already had. I appreciate how much the production quality of your videos has improved. I also see how you have used deadpan humor and repetition to appeal to your audience which was not yet present here.
I also felt this video had more depth in your analysis of the topic than your more recent true crime videos. As someone who aspires to be a mental health care provider, I plan to look into these earlier videos of yours more.
A great video again! I really like how objectively and intelligently you approach such turbulent matters.
Thank you so much!
This is a very interesting and topical video. What exactly is meant by "diagnosing"? Is it okay for a non-psychologist to express his or her opinion that a politician - or anyone else for that matter - has a mental health diagnosis? I would say yes. Why? Let me give an analogy. I have a PhD in theoretical physics, followed by many years of academic research, teaching and consultancy; and I frequently hear opinions of people of all kinds about the Big Bang, "parallel universes", quantum reality, etc., etc., etc. And that is ok! Some of these unprofessional opinions about theoretical physics are incorrect, some are correct, some are even very incisive and not at all tarred by the fact that they come from non-physicists. The only difference between this situation and that of mental health diagnosing is the issue of the stigma of a mental disorder diagnosis. But if we hear an unprofessional opinion about someone's mental diagnosis, why should we take that opinion as a fact? It's just an opinion. DSM-5 is not prohibited to be read by anyone, just like a book on quantum mechanics can be read - sometimes misread - by anyone. As for the stigma of NPD specifically, as far as I am concerned, expressing an opinion that someone who behaves badly may have NPD is actually a mitigating factor: it means that person is not "just a jerk", but that he struggles to control his emotions and mental capacities. Sorry for the long comment, but I would really appreciate it, Dr. Grande, if you could touch upon at least some of these points in one of your videos. Why is it okay if I, as a non-orthopedist, express an opinion that someone may have a broken toe (or is that also not okay?), but it is not okay if I, as a non licensed mental health practitioner, express an opinion that someone has NPD?
SK A private opinion is ok...But an unqualified Public Opinion that seeks to pass itself off as a definitive legitimate diagnosis is just downright dangerous !! ......Take Hitler for example , his henchmen touted him as being the fount of all insight wisdom ,knowledge and practical solutions. They enforced his decisions without mercy on all of Europe...Yet he was a crazed maniac . ....So , so much for the unqualified opinions of his henchmen and all the soldiers who followed Hitler’s orders !!
Opinion is vastly different than a diagnosis
@BrunDog63 exactly.
It's important that when a diagnosis is made about any disorder, we look to see how widespread it is. If it is purely situational, a clinician is less likely to diagnose. As Dr. Grande implied, the more information you get, the more efficient the diagnosis you can provide.
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And you have no business calling the president "crazy".
I love your input. And I completely agree you. I understand immensely what you are explaining. I think the difference with a "normal" person living with the mental issues described depend the levels of the described, intent, and how many people it effects, along with powerful people associated with such mental capabilities is where it becomes a concern issue for public safety.
Hi Dr. Grande! I really enjoy your content and have seen a handful of your videos. I do have a couple questions about a point you made in this particular video regarding the ethical obligations in diagnosing people from a distance:
You said there is an ethical obligation for counselors not to diagnose public figures to avoid creating stigmas around disorders - I'm wondering how that is any different from your many videos on serial killers and the personality disorders they may or may not have? I know you always give a disclaimer that you are not diagnosing anyone however couldn't it be argued that this is still adding a negative stigma to the disorder (associating serial killers with NPD, APD, etc)?
Again, I love your videos and would just be curious if anyone else had thoughts or opinions on this.
Just as an aside, I think when they mentioned word salad they were implying Alzheimer's, not schizophrenia.
Not necessarily. People with advanced schizophrenia don't always make sense when they speak, and can say things that are inappropriate for the setting, or even very bizarre. I knew a guy who did so much speed he displayed symptoms of schizophrenia, I hated running into him in public as I never knew what he might say next.
Yes, most say he has frontal lobe dementia nothing to do w/schizophrenia. I've never heard a single person think he's schizophrenic ever & the word salad is b/c of all his coveffe & when he rambles on about make believe things like ramparts at airports that didn't exist in the Revolutionary War & loses his train of thought, coherency & can't keep attention long & goes off on make believe tangents at rallies & speeches & has no focused attention. Further, none of these comments from lawyers that were referenced in video are about 'diagnosing' him. Anyone w/full unimpaired cognitive function & an education above 12th grade knows many things are not firing upstairs correctly, could be & I personally believe a cocktail of disorders, combined w/age, whatever stimulant he uses b/c his eyes are always dialated in bright light-ALWAYS, on top of his personality disorders & his body language is even clearer. Just b/c I say that's what I think, it doesn't mean I'm diagnosing him or making fun of him. I'm stating obvious characteristics he's exhibiting on a repeat, continual basis over the course of 40+ yrs & only worsening now on display all day everyday on twitter. My 3rd grader knows the man is sick & picks up on his mental deficiencies & deficits, traits like histrionics, fragile ego, etc. Even children & non-drs are not stupid. We don't have to have an MD to see what's in front of us. I don't need a brain scan nor are brain scans even used in diagnosing widespread in this area of medicine. 90% of diagnosing a patient w/mental/emotional disorders as stated is based on talking btwn a patient/Dr & then history/background/etc. Like this Dr. says, & even then it's usually wrong & misdiagnosed repeatedly. So I understand completely, why he's saying it's technically not a real diagnosis, but he failed to address what prohibits the average everyday citizen & voter as it is OUR DUTY to make judgements about this man's health, well being, state of function, cognitive ability & function in order to help & run our lives through gov. Finally, it insults most people's intelligence & basic eyesight to pretend or assert that the avg. person (again) w/avg. intelligence & no disorders & good education, to pretend what we see, hear & watch w/our normal functioning organs, that we cannot somehow make an educated, somewhat informed decision w/the fruit we see before us. I have thousands of hours of footage + continual live footage ongoing, 70 yrs of life proof & 22 yrs of tweet history, video footage, books he's written, etc. to make the decision I need to express my opinion on his health & abilities. As every citizen has only this information to go by. No one in this country has the luxury, option or ability to professional examine him & diagnosis him. We have to use what we have & I most def. will use ONLY Trump's own words, actions, deeds, fruit, history, character, etc. to make that decision.
Very, very well said, Ph D!
@@Ph.D.. Good shout! frontal lobe issues was what I was thinking. I have chronic migraines, and if it's a "front left" I have a word salad phase, hate everyone and need to go and nap. Mr President's seems more permanent.
@pccantis...My 93 year old mother has developed Alzheimer's in the past year. Sudden onset. I think we are seeing the same thing with Trump. He's old. He had a rough childhood. He's been bizarre all of his life. See the 1995 episode of the Simpsons. His cyberbullying is what I find most alarming. Calling people names is NOT normal behavior. You can write everything else off as him just being an asshole.
Useful and enlightening.
Love your poker face, too.
Trump has the best mental health ever in the history of the world
He's the poster boy for narcissistic personality disorder.
You are a great teacher. Thank you.
I agree with your position to the ethics regarding people diagnosing someone in this manner. I also would like to express my gratitude to you for this channel. I find you to be one of the very few individuals/professionals to address mental disorders in regards to NPD and BPD with a salvageable outlook. My wife of almost 40 years has suffered from major depressive disorder and has been also termed medication resistant. She has been medicated for approximately 35 years and in the last few years has been placed for brief periods (2wks per) for suicidal reasons. The last time was a godsend because we were able to get her involved in a DBP program and get her a new psychiatrist as hers had left the area, left no information as to other psychiatric assistance and we found that no one was accepting new patients. Although this was beneficial for her and the DBT program was helpful, her therapist offered to her that the problem was me and that I was a narcissist. Her psychiatrist told her that although he could somewhat agree, he leaned more so toward borderline. She soon became heavily involved in researching these disorders and connecting the dots so to speak. She has cut off all contact with me as it’s all over the internet that victims need to get as far away as they can. I didn’t really understand exactly what these disorders were and had to begin learning as much as i could on the internet to find out if this was the case (which was 95% negative in any respect to curing) and sought out a therapist who I could speak with for help. In all honesty I can see that some of the criteria necessary for these types of disorders could be associated with me and could agree with my falling into the cluster B personality. The therapist I’m seeing says that I do not appear to fall into this diagnosis of NPD and BPD. When I offered this to my wife, she in turn stated that my denial of this was text book and that the therapist was basically a quack. I am presently seeing a new therapist and the facility in which she was sent to following the hospital stay that offers the DBT program to get a different opinion and see if they are willing to assess me for any type of diagnosis relating to these disorders. I feel completely helpless and aren’t sure of anything else i can do. She has convinced herself that I never loved her and that our entire life together has been one big facade. She only recalls the bad parts and is overwhelmed with anger and resentment. It feels hopeless to me in saving our marriage and I don’t know where to turn. The last time we spoke (took her to Florida for the winter) she asked me to leave. I told her that its very difficult to talk as she only allows me 3 reasons of any response I give. I’m either lying, making excuses, or “deflecting” blame. I’ll keep in there until I can figure it out. I can’t give up.
just like in the "invader Zim series" You are not narcists you are just stupid" LOL
Your wife does not care if you are narcists or not, she just found an excuse to block you because she hates your guts and most likely because you are a reason for her depression regardless if you are a narcissist or not.
From my own experience and just general logic, I would say that you probably missed some skeletons in your wife's closet in your wife what she was hiding really well knowing that if they get out something very bad will happen. Therapists usually can't help here because of the first task is not to cure the disorder but to change a person's values to match the disorder this way eliminating disorder and no therapist will ever do that.
That is a sad tale to hear! I pray for the light of truth to find both you and your wife!
If nothing else, Americans have learned a great deal about narcissism and mental health since 2016. It’s been an eye opener and enlightening.
Karen
Yea, and what I’ve learned is that those who call other people narcissists, are usually the narcissists!
Thank you Dr for the videos , and your professional insight . 🇺🇸
So, what is the human responsibility to warn when a danger is perceived. Sure, suggesting a diagnosis is not something that could be supported in normal circumstances, but the damage that can be done by a US President is incalculably larger.
His public behaviour certainly fits every aspect of the NPD diagnosis.
Bravo, Dr. Grande! Your common sense logical analysis seems to be rare these days.
Great video. Brought a lot of points that I have tried to explain to my friends, but since it is so easy to look up now, I see people diagnosing each other and public figures left and right.
Thanks for your comments regarding Trump! This is ridiculous and these people have set mental health problematic stigma.
Not affiliated with any political option, and I am not a supporter of any specific politician, but far too many people seem to be diagnosing Trump without ever seeing him, let alone talking to him.
I am pretty sure that he is not "dumb" or intellectually lacking, given his large portfolio. Just labeling someone so blatantly is irresponsible, be it by a layman or a true professional.
Appreciate your honesty and how you always use caution and reason Dr. Grande. Great insight into "personas" too - as a nonprofessional, I always tell people the same, ie: people may not be what they seem on television and in other media.
Wonderful video! Thank you very much - it brought up a couple points I had never thought of while really helping show this in another more professional-oriented perspective.
I was wondering your thoughts on the use of words like psychotic being used in modern vernacular and that understanding cluttering up the psychological and mental health understanding of the layman? Do you think there would be more of a benefit to changing the diagnosis name of some of these things ultimately given that there's already so much stigma attached to many of these disorders?
I would be interested in you revisiting this in light of recent events and his recent actions around the pandemic and the protests.
scamdemic and sponsored riots, be honest now
@@brookingsbeachcomber grow up
@@brookingsbeachcomber Your entire life is an alternative facts scamdemic.
@@PrecociousFriand history will prove you wrong
@@brookingsbeachcomber lololololololololol I literally can't. Obviously you won't listen to reason.
Excellent commentary and very informative. Thanks for bringing up the issue.
I have watched many of your videos and I find them to be interesting. One thing that bothers me is I've seen you give your opinion about personality disorders for several people both famous and not but here you seem to be hesitant to give your opinion. My question is why not with him? Are you just trying to avoid being political?
In this case he takes issue with people "diagnosing" Trump. He always prefaces his videos with the statement that his opinions are not a diagnosis.
Thanks for such an unbiased explanation about Trump and sticking to evidence.
There is a significant list of positives said about this vid. I agree. We need more sensible evaluations. Thank you and continue.
I enjoy the objectivity. I am curious, though, about the hesitation on applying the same process on the president as you do on numerous other individuals on a regular basis. Especially considering that this is arguably the most powerful man in our country. No, NPD or APD aren’t bad in themselves, but are worrisome unchecked in a major public leader (if accurate).
Bravo!
I think Dr. Grande was trying to sidestep a minefield. He did a pretty good job!
The topic of the video was more about if diagnosing a public figure from afar is ethical with Trump as an example than analyzing his personality. Well, that's my two cents.
@@lciav yes but he does analyze other public figures from afar on a regular basis. There may be a fine line he is observing, but it is not clear to me. I do enjoy Dr. G and his work, but I'm confused by this.
Yup
Before anyone gets upset that I have an opinion, I'm a psychology major close to graduation. I think the issue with people not in the psychological field making assumptions is that they tend to assume that any strong personality traits run the risk of being disordered. That's not true at all. I won't lie, I'm pretty damn convinced that Trump has NPD, but I'm not convinced he has ASPD despite him having some symptoms. People have to realize that it's VERY tricky to diagnose co-morbid disorders (two or more simultaneously) and it's probably the most common reason people are misdiagnosed. In psychology Occam's Razor (the most simple explanation is probably the correct one) is our mantra. Therefore, him having both disorders is unlikely. We also don't know how he acted when he was younger and ASPD is usually preceded by disorders like ODD (oppositional defiant disorder). A lot of characteristics that Trump displays that people parade as being those of ASPD can be easily explained by NPD as well.
For example: We have seen that Trump doesn't give a damn about other people in the pandemic, quoted saying the death toll "is what it is," and hasn't historically cared about his own health regarding this either (his reaction in light of what happened recently is also pretty concordant w NPD, I'll talk about that in a second). Some people might say that this disregard for the health of others and himself is a symptom of ASPD, and I can see why. However, it can be more easily explained by NPD w/o having to back every other symptom of another disorder. In this case, the reason he doesn't care about the health of others is bc they aren't as important as him and the reason he doesn't care about his own health is bc he believes he's untouchable and (as we now see) refuses to accept or admit that he could fall victim to it like other less important / irrelevant people. Notice how he's spread ads far and wide trying to convince people he was never that sick and is ready to continue rallies and meet people unmasked indoors, even though he was in intensive care just last week and is definitely still contagious. That's just one pretty fact-based example, but that's one reason why I'm 1) convinced he has NPD and 2) not convinced he's sociopathic
If you bothered to read this, thanks! You're a champ
Or he could just realize the scary horrible covid has a 0.3 death rate, and realizes being afraid of something like that is insane and this completely disregards your entire analysis.
@@kimbrown3950 you're free to think that, but millions of people have died worldwide so not taking it seriously is sad to me. Also a big chunk of people who don't die have long term or permanent damage to their brains and bodies. I don't want to spread it to people who might have less of a chance of being ok than me since I'm young, so I'm doing what I can. Outbreaks have been linked to Trump's rallies it's just irresponsible imo
@@whitneyd6827 I can only go by what I see with my own eyes IRL, and nobodies dying, nobodies disabled, it seems to be a cross between cold/flu for anyone I know who tested positive. So it’s not my opinion it’s actual observation and all I can speak to is my own experience, and from other ppl I have spoken to their experience has been the same, so all the fear mongering on the news doesn’t apply to my direct area, but if your IRL observations have been different than mine I’m always open to different opinions.
@@kimbrown3950 but our irl experiences are such a small sample out of 7 bill people. Besides, I have a family member who died from it and my brother has a lung condition and when he got sick it was terrifying. He had brain fog for months after he was technically healthy we were really worried. But I'm not victim to fear mongering I understand it's not killing as many people as the plague, but countries that cracked down on it early are almost back to normal and in the US we can't safely rebuild our economy bc people are still going bankrupt from half open businesses and hospital bills. If everyone took it seriously we would get back to normal sooner, and the president isn't encouraging that. That was my point before, that's all
@@whitneyd6827 I’m sorry about your family member and glad your brother recovered, I understand that my personal circumstances don’t speak for everyone obviously but my only measure I can be 100% sure of is the circumstances I can personally observe. Unfortunately I just can’t rely on the media to be truthful.
Thanks for your video; I was very interested to hear your perspective on this and you didn't disappoint me with your discussion. My reaction at the time (this was on the media even here, much to my resentment) was that would have much more respect for the dialogues around this were it carefully restricted to dispassionately discussing apparent behavioural patterns that seem to be potentially dangerous in the context of someone conducting policy formulation and in dealing with matters of state; the sad part to me is that not only are diagnoses inappropriate outside of treatment by qualified and licensed professionals, they are not even helpful if our agenda is in identifying and addressing poor behaviour and protecting ourselves and each other from predation. In other words, like time and space, the problem to address is always relative to the observer.
Excellent video! That’s one of many issues with this current culture. They think because they have a Twitter account that they can post whatever they choose on it that they must be mental health experts when most of them don’t have much of an education. They’re either self diagnosing or diagnosing people they not only do not treat but who they don’t even know in person. That’s a scary notion. And I love that throughout this whole video how you personally feel about this man is not evident. That’s a hardcore professional! And someone truly emotionally centered.
Wow - a lot to unpack here. LOL. You were certainly diplomatic in your approach. So here are my thoughts on this matter: I like the scenario you gave referring to arbitrarily walking up to 2 people "fighting." One is being punched and the other is doing the punching. You're absolutely correct, we have no way of knowing any of the surrounding circumstances as to their scuffle. Likewise, we may not have all of the info about Trump. But we do know that patterns play a big role in whether or not someone fits into the symptoms of any given mental disorder. The thing is, Trump has been in the "spotlight" for MANY, MANY years (almost a lifetime) -- so I do think that we can definitely go off of his patterns (at least publicly). I will start with racism. He was sued by the Justice Department in the 80's because he refused to rent out his apartments to black people. The way he presidents clearly shows a pattern of racism or white nationalism. Telling 4 minority congresswomen to "go back to their country," calling poor (non-white) countries "shitholes." Stating that there are "very fine ppl" on the side known to have been that of racists, KKK & white nationalists. He associates with ppl who have a pattern of racist mentalities (Steve Banon, Stephen Miller, his own father etc).
He MUST be praised for the things that he does and he is ALWAYS talking about himself and the great job he is doing. He says that he has handled the pandemic well and that it was a success, knowing that over 123K people have died and almost 2M have contracted the virus. It is always about him. This is already too long, but I could go on forever. I definitely believe that he absolutely has mental disorder(s). It was a great point that you brought up about what we would do or what is there to do if he did in fact gets diagnosed with a mental disorder. You said one of the remedies is to vote him out. I agree, but I also believe that he will lie, cheat & steal if it means he will win the election, so in that regard it makes a HUGE difference when he is the POTUS, responsible for all of America and our lives with a mental disorder. That would be a BIG deal & unacceptable as the POTUS. His flawed mental state can potentially affect the world.
Can you beat the narcissist mirroring them..by applying their own strategies against them?i.e being narcissist to beat the narcissist in their own game?
Thank you for pointing out how these “professionals“ may be hurting/stigmatizing Real clinical patients. I have been watching you for a while and this is my first comment. Thank you, I learn a lot.
You are most welcome!
As long as you're commenting on political matters, maybe you'd care to comment on the insidious state of cognitive dissonance within our society.
Shadowcruise99 He wouldn’t do that. He’s a democrat. Trump is the targeted victim here, and this guy is taking cheap shots from his ivory tower. If he was as impartial and neutral as he wants to appear, we would hear something about the Clintons, Biden, Schumer, and their henchmen on the networks. But he isn’t. He just needs to stay home. He adds no value.
Oh by the way Dr. Grande I love your common sense approach to your profession.
I sensed you were hesitant to label Trump as a narcissist. I was hearing the medical criteria you mentioned to diagnose NPD. Trump seems to fit that criteria. Also, Dr. Lee is an authority on mental health, so his medical opinion should be respected, and be given validity.
You mean you ignored everything he said about diagnosing people based on their TV personas?
Yes I was thinking the same thing. And? Dr Grande does offer observations of mental problems on other public figures and celebrities while offering the disclaimer he is not diagnosing, only speculating. Why couldn’t Dr Grande speculate on Trump’s condition?
@@e.thomas2475 no not by their tv persona, but in Trump’s case, by his actions. Dr Grande has offered his opinionated analysis of other celebrities and public figures, while offering his disclaimer that it’s only his opinion and speculation, not an analysis
I love Dr. Bandy Lee’s book. I learned a lot about the psychology field from it. The book is made up of essays from 37 mental health professionals. I highly recommend it, and I am glad she did it. She and the other writers all lay out the reasons for breaking the Goldwater rule very clearly.
Sometimes your gut just has to call a turd a turd when it's full of shit. I missed it with the borderline narconutz ex. When all the traits line up whats to wonder ? Now even as a layman, I know what to discern, I'm super comfortable calling a turd, a turd.
Yeah, it recalls the old joke. "Looks like shit. Feels like shit. Smells like shit. Tastes like shit. Must be shit!!!"
Some of us don't have to pick it up and taste it to know what it is.
Ur theory falls apart if cant tell one turd from another,a whole field full of turds.which turd tastes and smells better?a matter of opinion to me.
Thank you Dr. Grande
Good to keep these things in mind. However, I still tend to agree with George Conway and Dr. Lee.