Cluster B (Borderline, Antisocial, Narcissistic, Histrionic) Personality Disorders
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Cluster B (including borderline, antisocial, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorders) is the most common of type of personality disorder to encounter in clinical settings. In addition, they are among the most impairing conditions in all psychiatry, so it’s important to have a good understanding of them if you will be working in any health care setting.
Learn more about cluster B personality disorders, including their diagnostic criteria and treatment strategies, in this high-yield talk intended for all healthcare providers, including doctors, medical students, psychologists, nurses, nurse practitioners, physician assistants, social workers, and more!
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I have a mixture of disorders ranging from ADHD, mild Autism, OCD, Avoidant etc. I consider myself Cluster F as in Cluster Fuck lol.
1:40 it’s sad that people say cluster b lack “thickness of emotional skin” because, at one point, they had to endure a lot of trauma that made them become that way. someone can only take so much :(
It can also be genetic
@@beatrizarevaloleal4181 No. It's inherited. Big difference.
As a psychiatrist, I just want to say that this was a really good video! Lovely way to explain those disorders, and very correct in a technical sense. You did an awesome job!
Is there any way where a person can seek mental help without money or physical appointment?
@@tatianavera2197Dr Ramani’s most recent book is written in layman’s terms.
It’s very beneficial for everyone who studies mental health and mental illness. I love short and sweet lectures. I also order the book and thanks for all videos he made.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@ronkwarin6917 These are characterological disorders, not mental illnesses. aka Character disorders, as in disorders of moral character.
I heard the same but I also hear mental illness so I guess they don't know for sure. To me if born cluster B seems developmental. Some autistic people are extremely difficult and have no empathy yet others are high functioning. Care givers have the most trouble with autistic, then borderline. I wonder if npd and hpd really exists. No one seems to have it except online. @ronkwarin
Narcissistic infidelity differs from "normal cheating", because a narcissist feels no shame or remorse for what they've committed! In fact, they convince themselves it's your fault, and actually lead the new partner to believe they're a victim of you. A narcissist will talk about marriage and having kids with you, while sleeping with another person. They'll give you the silent treatment and punish you, trying to make you feel bad for their own bad behavior. Survivors often wonder "why wasn't I good enough?" or "why is the new partner better than me?" because the narcissist will shamelessly wave this person in your face and parade the new target around on social media. Every second you spend comparing yourself to this person will erode your self-worth and fill you with feelings of inadequacy and rejection. How did they replace you so quickly, immediately making all the same promises to another person? The answer is simple: Cluster-B disorders all stem from the inability to attach. They never attached to you, which is why they try to intensely manufacture all the normal feelings of love and bonding, and it's also why they are able to detach and do the same thing to someone else in one day. Because they never successfully attached to you, despite all of their sweeping words. Sociopaths and narcissists are incapable of attaching to other human beings, so they hone all of these other skills like seduction, flattery, mirroring-all in an attempt to mimic what they see other people doing: loving each other. The problem is, they see "love" as receiving constant attention and adoration. This is what they give to you, and this is what they want to receive in return. The NY Times describes it this way. "Narcissistic alexithymia: The inability to understand or describe the emotions in the self. Unable to know themselves, sufferers are unable to understand, relate or attach to others. To prove their own existence, they hunger for endless attention from outside." Narcissistic "supply" is really just a distraction from this condition. When you fail to relieve this (because no external factor can), you are punished and replaced. No matter how caring and kind you were, they still don't feel good, and their disorder convinces them that a new partner will be the magical fix to everything. This is when you get "split" as the crazy bad person so they can justify their sudden change of heart. Even though they blame you, I hope you can see that this process has literally nothing to do with you. You can follow their new relationship, hope it fails, analyze yourself, analyze them, try to be more perfect, prove yourself, figure out whose fault it was, etc. All you're doing is hurting yourself. Turn your focus from external to internal. What do you feel? Inadequacy? Shame? Rejection? Betrayal? These are your feelings, and those are what matter. You need to work with these feelings, understand them, and learn to offer yourself the comfort and love needed to heal them. Otherwise you're just left with an unresolved mess of pain from an impossible situation, and a frightened heart that believes it's at fault. Left untended, it'll eventually just fade into a numb obscurity. Work with this pain, understand it, talk with it, communicate with your body. This is the most important thing you can do. Every time you're tempted to check on them, ask yourself what you're feeling. A void? Emptiness? Loneliness? Resentment? Numbness? These issues cannot be resolved through searching externally. Yes, they were created by an external factor, but it's your wound now, whether you want it or not. You are the only person who can decide to nurture these wounds and build a loving relationship with your emotions. If you need to find out about a cheating narcissist; send a request to: MetaspyHub@gmail. com
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Been there. I was in a relationship with someone I self diagnosed with covert narcissistic PD.
Very nice, relatable, kind, caring person on the outside. If you ask anyone about him they’d have nothing but nice thing to say about him. I found out about his behaviors accidentally.
Started the whole relationship off of lies; lied to me, his friends, his family(often hiding things/truth, making things up, twisting the truth to fit his narrative and make himself look like the good guy, or simply lying to avoid situations) and when confronted he will lie to cover up his lies unless you have solid proof; thinks he’s the best, the smartest unless you have a higher degree than him (proof); his goal in life was to leave behind a legacy; cheated on me blamed me for it, called him out on every gaslighting he tries to pull; lack empathy; gaslighting; manipulation; fake hyperventilating/panic attacks/heart attacks when trying to avoid a situation he knows he’s in the wrong; love bombing!; constant need for validation, admiration, and attention. The list goes on.
After I left him he moved on real fast and I reached out to the new supply a month later after finding out who he was with.
The new supply replied back to me saying that the new supply also left him bc he lied constantly about who he was. The new supply was actually asking why I didn’t reach out sooner, and we bonded over similar experiences.(mind you; I was with the guy for almost two years and this new supply was only with hi for2 months yet we have very similar stories.
The funny thing is, I told my ex that no matter who he ends up with he will fuck it up like how he fucked it up with me bc what he did was not a mistake but a personality disorder he doesn’t know or wanna believe he has and sure enough the fucked up his next relationship also.
I check up on him every now and then bc I miss the person I believed he was, the false person I made up in my head but I know better than to reach out or want some thing that horrible again. Still recovering from the mental and psychological abuse a year later but I’m in such a happier place.
This is not always the case. Some people do not feel remorse for infidelity because the relationship was abusive.
@@cloroxbitch2491 you cant armchair diagnose your exes with personality disorders lmao.
I think the no remorse is a symptom of anti social PD
I feel like I’m probably one of these- I think I kinda relate the most to histrionic- and also bpd- I feel like one of my old friends had to be a narcissist- Ill never forget how much he liked to belittle me- and how happy he was to do hurtful things and be on top. I defo have got to see someone ab this cuz my life feels like it’s too complicated to live.
You just saved me from messing up these disorders and how they present in clients. thank you for a very detailed video
Dude, these are SO good! Online educational gold 👌
I have borderline and histrionic personality disorder. This is the result of having had a very invalidating childhood. Especially by my mother and grandmother. This destroyed my life. It’s very difficult to live with.
I have borderline traits and complex PTSD and ADHD and OCD a lot going on it’s hell and I’ve been struggling my whole life.. I’m pretty much on my own nobody cares ir sucks I’m the scapegoat in a narcissist family dynamic and I need to go no contact but I’m. Not financially able to…
@@Not-the-usual-BS I have CPTSD too, I understand the struggle. Don't give up. Things will change eventually.
Oh my- sorry you went Through Unsafe child- hood.
Wanna tell us about how your relationships? Act like an ass much? 😅
When a parent abuses a child, the child doesn't stop loving the parent, they stop loving themselves.
“NPD is less imparing…”, maybe to the individual but the devastation wrought by people with NPD to those around to them and to society in general cannot be understated and is worth mentioning at the outset
Just bought your book! Thank you so much for your great informational videos. Your content is so helpful and easy to listen to, making it great for studying!
Thank you... very informative and interesting hearing more than one perspective 😊👍
The histrionic one just described EXACTLY how one of the kids at my school acts
>kids
that's pretty normal. children are known to be dramatic and attention seeking.
Anyone who has lived with a narcissist will agree that the abuse they inflict upon its victims is not mild
seconded
Depends on the type of narcissist and the severity of their symptomology. Not all narcissists are of the malignant variety. Some are just grandiose and devaluing of others. This is relatively minor abuse compared to, say, murder.
Not by any means.
Nope. One year later and I’m still trying to heal from the mental and psychological abuse. Still trying to fathom how the relationship was so real yet so not real at the same time. How a human being could lie and cheat so easily and lack empathy. How they moved on so fast and do the same thing to the next person 😩🤷
I’m 80% at peace knowing what I told him was true. I told him that even if he found the most perfect person he would ruined it for himself and sure enough, the person he dated after me, he ruined that relationship also with similar shit he’s done to me. He said that maybe what he did was only to me. BS lol.
It’s sad bc I tried so hard to help him gain insight but apparently he has none. And tbh I feel bad for him bc I really think he doesn’t mean to hurt others but doesn’t realize what he’s doing is wrong no matter how much I try to explain it to him.
I hate to be that ex, but he doesn’t deserve to be happy. As from what I know he’s constantly on dating apps adding and talking to as much people as he can trying to land another partner. I worry for his victims, they have no idea what’s coming. Mainly bc he’s charming and kind on the outside but hides his intentions very well unless you dig into everything he tells you.
I'm pretty sure my uncle has this disorder, the change that my biological aunt has had is just depressing... I ended up leaving their house because it was just a nightmare. I just hope that my cousin is alright, last time I saw him he was developing eating disorders, depression, anxiety and low self esteem.
Having 3 personality disordered significant others, 1 from birth. Narcissistic Personality Disorder needs to be considered with the various presentations. Covert was what I lived with and nearly died for the experience. I did not know what was happening to me through 14 years of gaslighting, horrendous abuse, pathological lies, no intimacy (no conversations that weren't simply surface level), continually being set up to be damaged, raped, raged at frequently with words and sentences that made no sense, he projected his narcissistic behaviour onto me and blamed me for it, he scapegoated me to others with his own behaviour saying it was what I did and in return those people abused me too, he isolated me from my family saying they hated me, he stole from me, he cheated on me with multiple women and brought more than one of them into my home, he played mind games, he was cruel and sadistic and was literally driving me to insanity. Most of those things were not apparent to me until I left the relationship and the brain damage started to repair.
I had CPTSD, chronic insomnia, significant persisting digestive issues, CV, immune, nervous, endocrine systems dysregulated, testing showed I was running on cortisol at a high level most of the time, I had huge anxiety, hid away for a few years unable to cope with life or work, was abused by some family members because I was dysfunctional and reactive (who wouldn't be in that situation).
Having ended the relationship and taken responsibility for sorting everything put including relationship property because he didn't take responsibility for anything, I moved towns to get away from him. He found me, stalked me and growled outside my windows at night. Needless to say I got the police involved.
There is so much more. He was ?is still a respected businessman who everyone loves ... such is the facade these covert people put on for the world while they persecute their significant others.
It is so frustrating to see information out there, especially under the guise of psychiatry that is so wrong. I nearly died. Does that seem like the bottom right hand corner to you?
I am still recovering after nearly 4 years away from him. I have maintained no contact with him during that time despite what he did after the relationship ended.
Sounds like more than just nppd to be honest. From what you're saying it seems like he displayed a lot of The Reckless criminal evil behavior of anti-social get was still able to keep up a facade while manipulating and playing mind games over you like an individual with NPD. It's always worse behind closed doors with individuals like this have built up some sort of facade to fool the general public while being devious disgusting little fucks :(.
I understand your suffering. I have 2 cluster B personality disorders too.
Cannot underestimate the manipulation and crazy head games. Especially the insanity, toxic amnesia, confabulation, blameshifting. So sick and so sad. Take care.
Yes indeed. Once you know these people exist, life is never the same. Been 6 years away for me and still trying to live a safe life. There are so many narcs out there.
NPD is in deed considered with its “various presentations”- but I believe this video was meant to be a general overview on cluster B disorders; and not an in debt video on NPD and it’s distinguished types…
There’s also subtypes in BPD, but again I believe this was meant to go over the basics of cluster B- and what makes each cluster B disorder different.
I’m sincerely sorry for all that you’ve gone through..
I don’t think providing information is to invalidate any one’s experiences.. Nor is explaining & educating meant to be any sort of justification for abusive or crappy behavior. Psychiatry isn’t meant to be a guise- or something for abusive people to hide behind. It doesn’t justify any behavior, it merely offers an explanation as to the why behind the behavior..
It’s simply to inform and nothing more.
Very nicely explained. Thanks for the nice colors and diagrams and tables. -- Very effective and memorable
I have bpd. I have educated myself on it but this video told me more information around it I did not know. Now some of those odd puzzle pieces are in the puzzle. Thank you. I will follow-up with the bpd video once I'm done with this one
The categorisation of “wanting to be loved” is so unbelievably loose. These personality disorders differ quite a lot. For example Narcissists can regulate their emotions normally where as a borderline cannot. The Borderline and histrionic are rather sad cases really
Narcs cannot regulate their emotions 'normally'. They require outside validation/fuel to do that, and their sense of self can be quite unstable. They are also prone to anger and feel negative emotions more intensely.
Ya that’s just false. Narcissists are fueled by validation. Have you ever seen a narcissist feel invalidated ? They will turn into a raging monster and not stop until they feel u have acknowledged them again. They can’t stand not being the center of attention and disagreeing with them is not an option
@@kalenmarshall Yes. They are more emotionally regulated than other Cluster B's, but not compared to 'normals'.
Haha vunerable narcissist and borderline are practically two sides of the same coin. Sad case? Haha that's funny as if there aren't victim groups for people with bpd. Grandiose can substance it the longest but eventually something disrupts the false self
"Narcissists can regulate their emotions normally" fALSE. fALSE FALSE FALSE.
I think this is one of the video with the most views. Great!!
Great video
As a person who has experienced a relationship with a person with EUPD, had children with them and now separated, I think I can comment here.
Firstly, the 'Cluster' represents a group of conditions that can overlap with each other. Hence the term 'Cluster.' The DSM 9 is a starting point. A framework. It cannot really pigeon hole every individual by the 9 traits. People need to understand this. There is far more complexity to the individual with EUPD than the DSM 9 can ever really portray. It is a starting point. Not an end point. I'm sure anyone who has taken a deep dive into EUPD will know, the complexities of the person suffering with this condition, knows that often NPD traits overlap in about a third of people with EUPD. It has been said that EUPD and NPD are kissing cousins. I think that, in the main, this is how EUPD gets the bum rap. If NPD traits are mixed in with EUPD, it's pretty diabolical for the individual and for anyone in a relationship with them. This is my experience. And, yes, my partner was professionally diagnosed with the condition. A quiet EUPD with vulnerable NPD traits. However, if the person with EUPD can admit their condition and own who they are to others and apologise, and take action through DBT, there is hope. If a person cannot do this, as in they gaslight, manipulate and deny any egregious acts they possibly have NPD traits in their condition. It is an awful condition where one in ten individuals commit suicide. Many self harm. It is an affliction for the individual with the condition and, quite frankly for anyone in a relationship with the specific complex EUPD my ex has.
The point is. Not everyone with EUPD comes out of the cookie cutter the same as some would infer. Please take note. They are not all monsters as some would portray them.
I've found that people who talk non-stop about how the ''narc'' did them wrong tend to express narcissistic traits themselves.
@@tomasallende9583 All of them do, especially when demonizing bpd
My mom has npd( the covert/vulnerable kind) and I can totally agree with the over lapping as well’s as each being on a spectrum at random.
Good explanation however you say you're separated. I guess it could be due to illness and or other reasons....
With good social network and continous therapy session, anyone with EUPD or BPD will likely improve their symptoms. It goes to show that the environment is also as valuable as the therapy since it determines how soon they'll remit.
Occupational therapists can benefit from this too!
Mental health should be the most important thing for parents while raising their kids, all my life coping with elder sibling with those symptoms and my parents feeling its normal fearing what people whould say now its intensity ruined the family bonds, falling in love with cbd??? Its even worse ur life gona shatter, watch ur kids and watch them closely.
Very good video
Excellent, subscribed.
Well articulated..
Thank you!!!
Great vid
I like to call borderline personality tripolar disorder. Besides Mania and depression add rage.
They claim to be emotional burn victims, but they're more like emotional hemophiliacs, and will aggressively bleed all over you, regardless as to your feelings on the matter.
@@drlarrymitchell well 1st- people with BPD didn’t come up with that claim, professionals did..
2nd Id like to say that I’m sorry for whatever personal experiences you may have had that led you to that conclusion..
but please do try to not classify an entire group of people. Generalizing and stereotyping is harmful & ignorant.
Each person with bpd is still an individual..
There’s subtypes of BPD - and each person has their own set/ combination of traits and symptoms, their own triggers, their own level of severity, & each in a different place in regards to managing.
Not every person with bpd has external rage, or external displays of emotions, or is incapable of realizing the damage their behavior is causing… And some have more self awareness than others.
EXECPT .. bipolar (mania & depression) is episodic . It may be reoccurring, but it’s still episodic with periods of “normalcy” between those episodes
BPD is pervasive …
& to suggest that it’s just mania, depression, & rage is honestly a major oversimplification.
It’s much more complex than that.
@@jadehidalgo3437 Thank you for that comment.
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Excellent video, thank you. New sub here.
Was you a year ago and still presently living under a rock.... You do know that there's a big reeducation program in psychology when it comes to dsm5 cluster B personality disorders...mainly NPD...about how it's been completely misunderstood and brushed under the rug... About how extremely destructive and traumatizing it can be on the most devastating level of emotional and psychological damage > trauma....
Thank you!
i have quiet BPD and may never get diagnosed due to also having dorsal vagus collapse and a strong emotional riditgy on the outside but i still enjoy learning about these disorders
Great video. Wish the Family Court took cognizance.
Document, document, document!!! I even had to resort to recording.
Forensic Psychiatrists are the ones who diagnose these monsters. At least in my case. Remember who you are!! Trust your intuition. To those who believe it’s only men who are like this, you’re sadly mistaken. Men go through the same hell. Laws need to change. These individuals are predatory. Dr. Ramani is a great resource. Much peace & love your way! ❤
the amount of people proclaiming sympathy for cluster b's but turn to generalize pwnpd as monsters is quite worrying, considering how much ive seen pwnpd who very much just want to Not be the predator everyone makes them to be. i understand people who come from being abused by either diagnosed or supposedly pwnpd want to share experiences and put out their hurt to the world for others to understand, however its no help to those npd havers that dont want to intentionally cause harm and want to just live as people. like the video says, they also suffer from a great deal of insecurity and trauma that had lead to this outcome.
Thank you! I don’t even have a personality disorder, but seeing these comments made me loose faith in humanity.
I‘m sorry that they got abused, but then turning around and discriminating against npd-ers by generalizing them and exclusively focusing on them as abusers is not okay. Just because they got emotionally abused by someone that they armchair-diagnosed as a narcissist doesn’t give them the right to demonize and abuse an entire group of people.
And before someone comments something like this: No, you’re not „helping people to stay safe“, you can do that by educating them about setting/enforcing healthy boundaries and the signs of an unhealth or abusive relationship, regardless of whether or not the other person has a personality disorder. You’re misleading them by telling them that this group of people is the inherently harmful one and if they just learn to recognize and avoid this typ of person they’ll be okay. You’re just reinventing the christian idea of angels and demons, of good and evil, in order to feel an illusion of safety. Which I sympathize with, trust me, I‘ve been there. But this isn’t healthy, and it will not keep you safe. You‘ll just end up paranoid that everyone you meet might secretly be one of those evil people. You can do better than that.
@@ageamiu8923 all of this exactly. armchair diagnosing and the throwing around of terminology has poisoned the way we view ourselves and others unfortunately
For me I have a parent who is diagnosed Bipolar and borderline personality disorder and married a diagnosed narcissist (diagnosed after the marriage) I struggle with the effects of both and now work hard to not display the same behaviors but hurt people hurt people who hurt them. It is very difficult but from my parents diagnosis at 17 years old I have kept a therapist to monitor my life. I cannot hold a job I am very emotionally raw and dis regulated but I think because I started therapy relatively early compared to others in my generation I had the validation of my therapist about what was happening so while I have internalized some things I am acutely aware of the fact that my mental health and emotional health is a product of my experience. So I just continue to create a life that fits who I am. When I look at my parent and my ex I see two people who didn’t choose themselves. But once my parent chose themself they became a better person. So I am choosing my self and I hope the ex does the same. I feel like that is the hardest part is learning to chose yourself and let the people who aren’t choosing you behind.
Thank You 🩺😊
V useful content Keep it up…
Hello Doc once again thanks for everything! I just want to know how many more videos to complete this series? Thank you!
Not exactly sure yet but I'm estimating another 10-15! I've covered most major areas but there are still a few left plus some minor topics to include as well
@@MemorablePsych Thank you for doing this. Your books help me so much in NP school. Truly appreciate that you made those videos since I'm a visual and auditory learner, this helps me tremendously. 🙏🤍
Im in the process of seeing a doctor and getting some help, as i know theres something wrong with me and BPD and Histrionic are sounding VERY similar to what i have, at first i was scared, but now, im ready to learn and educate myself about my disorder!
Perfectly describes my dad.
I just suscribed, greetings from México
I always like to hear all the psychology experts in the comment
TY for this video. At 7:20 you mention something that I've heard many times: "narcissists are dealing with LOW SELF-ESTEEM & a DEEP NEED FOR LOVE." But, IMHO, (1.) many of these difficult people DON'T have low self-esteem, their arrogance is genuine, but they DEEPLY RESENT that others don't properly RECOGNISE/CELEBRATE their superiority (chip on shoulder). (2.) they crave ADMIRATION; they DISDAIN love & the "Idiots" who feel it. Furthermore, I think that they would readily agree with every word of both of these understandings.
Don't agree with you. “[The biggest misconception about narcissists] is that they love themselves. They don’t! This is a disorder of self-loathing because of all that inadequacy and the ugly insecurity. They hate themselves, and then they project it onto other people. … They keep comparing themselves to everyone; they are constantly anxious and angry. They feel like they are victims and [the whole world] is out together [against them]. Now that’s a difficult way to live, … because they feel like they are always getting the short end of the stick.” - Dr. Ramani Durvasula.
I know the things I’ve watched from med circle agree on narcissists being very insecure, but they are arrogant and believe themselves perfect, so they lash out when that’s challenged, they can’t handle not being special.
That’s at least my experience with my ex.
@@TerraUmbraVampWriter Watch the expert Dr. Ramani. I mostly watched her on Medcircle. You want to know about narcs, watch her.
People with npd do have low self esteem. They just have told them selves countless times to the point where they literally believe anything.
They definitely do have low self esteem.their arrogance often comes from a false sense of self and constant comparison to others . That’s why they need constant validation or make those around them feel small. Their grandiose personality comes off is confident ,But if you stay quiet enough and observant enough they will eventually tell you who they truly are. Even the finest ones I have a number of insecurities .
My ASPD now in jail. Walked out of self- checkout at super market 8X. I’ve never been more at peace.
I was diagnosed with MDD, cluster B trait and severe anxiety but im not sure which one is my category(cluster B)my expert wrote cluster B only
thank you, Please make a video for NPD. Because many people think NPD is just bragging, annoying brat who love attention, but I know different type of NPD that is very calm, put self image as number 1 (which mean they will act like angel on a public), but abused closer partner or family or kids behind close door.
Mid range narcs are very common, especially among women. They can be extremely difficult to spot because they have great facades, but they cause all sorts of problems for their partners, spouses, children and basically anyone who crosses them in some way.
I recently encountered one and paid for it big time. At least emotionally.
Expose these people.
@@Michelle-mu2ux I agree autisic masking is disgusting. I mean who knows what they are hiding. Faking laughing at joke, truely chilling. I hope every neruodiverget person is exposed for the mentally ill abusive garbage that they are.
They do not deserve help and if they ask for it they are manipulating you. Why would anyone with an illness that has a 40% suicide attempt rate every want help? Ridiculous suggestion.
Please fix your compassion, it's broken.
Npd is different for everyone and can be comorbid with other disorders
Check prof. Sam Vaknin, the father of the field. You'll find all the answers you need.
yes, cluster-b and anti-social
My daughter had been exposed to bad aggressive and physical harrassment and bullying at school since prep to grade 3 in Australia Victorian school caused her to have histrionic personality disorder
Literally me
Before I forget again when I also wanted to say was there's also the treatment of CBT that hasn't worked for me either but I'm willing to do that one again DBT no way I explained in the other video why I won't do DBT
Ugh! 😩 I work in a psych ward and the cluster b patients are the absolute worst 🥴
The one narcissist I knew was (is) a woman. She was a tough one to figure out, too. She’s a communal narcissist, which are often the ultimate chameleon.
people with NPD dont acutlly belive they are better than others it's just an act
Sounds accurate but a little off only cause I've seen other traits in histrionic and nassasism ...they claim the don't get violent but I've seen it...but it's rare of course cause they prefer manipulation...but yeah borderline and antisocial are closely related and have a tendency to explode...I myself am borderline and I had friends with antisocial or traits and one of them was not even quick to explode like I did...so I'm assuming it varies...he would have a tempertantrum and was manipulative but I was more of the ..I will get you sucker..didn't do it alot but have been known.
Aren’t we all guilty of this though. I think it’s confusing unless the behaviors change.. if something antisocial happened, what do you do about it? If you realized that you might be antisocial, would you make a change? It takes talk therapy, direct talk, realization of the cause of harm. Why is it kit right to be antisocial? I’d say some of historical societies greatest gains were done in this manner? It is confusing. A bully who takes peoples lunch money n punches em in the nose, might probably be considered antisocial. But what if you’re a nice, thoughtful person, who doesn’t see it? It happened to me.. I realized I had become angry, disgruntled, I was walking around thinking this world was mine and everyone else was just in it. Never realizing this was taking place from stress. Adaptations from being put in jail with a weak mentality. No father at home makes you pretty susceptible to other antisocial people brain washing you.. that happened too.. I had to begin to look at others as children to reset my old thinking.. it’s as if people were spiders.. I was afraid and it was making me dangerous.. fantastic article
Nah.
Over time I looked at fellow humans as automatically untrustworthy it was like they were a different species how do you feel human when you stop trusting everyone
@@leahflower9924 try not too. We have a phenomenon known as TAPES. These are emotional memories that made a permanent physical path in the brain. Don’t allow bad tapes to screw your out of a full life. I’ll admit, I’ve been kinda introverted since certain crazy thing last had happened. But I got tough on myself and changed it. I try to think of myself as light n fluffy now. 😎👌😂like, you’ll grow old waiting for me to give a fux... 😉
@@leahflower9924 and the reason is that.. we all make mistakes. We all suffer in some way. We all judge ourselves. We all have guilt. Most of the stuff we feel apprehensive about we’d find people giving us credit for it. I’m serious! The thing you’re most insecure about. People probably think “See, look at him/her? They have it good, all figured out” 💯💥🤛
No we are not
My moms a narcassit and dated my ex narcassit for 5 years 😍😍😍😍 the trauma is there and still continuing (by my mom)
I know a woman who has all above mentioned. Shes a real peach alright
Hey you know my mother lol
I am constantly appalled and annoyed by the blatant sexism that continues in the psychiatric field from many moons ago when it began. The fact that it is completely ignored that historianic personality disorder is so clearly a trauma response to the very fact that growing up as a young girl is inherently scarring no matter if you had a happy family or not... It has always confounded me that there has been no revolution about this. The way we raise our children within these outdated ideas that we still have is inherently dramatic and especially for women. That shouldn't be some hot take and I shouldn't get called a snowflake, It is literally just an issue in society that we need to fix and I don't understand why everyone wants to avoid it and put the blame on people who call it out. My greatest hope is that, as people begin to accept the importance of mental health, we also begin to see the way that society's expectations and treatment of certain groups impact our lives and that that knowledge will motivate us to make a difference. Excellent video, I certainly do not mean to criticize this channel and I think they did a wonderful job, I simply mean to criticize the fields of psychiatry and psychology.
*traumatic not dramatic 😅
Was diagnosed with BPD about 20 years ago . I’m scared to watch this- it’s usually lots of misinformation & demonizing . I’d love to see that there’s more accurate information out there for people to find
Well watch it first
Why on earth would you comment before watching the video
Because she has BpD
@@VersatyleMusicGroup pretty sure the reason I commented prior to watching is written in the comment
@@jadehidalgo3437 that doesn't mean it makes logical sense.
It seems like we all have some sort of disorders?
I feel I feel I feel like nothing
Imagine I know a couple where the man is narcissistic and the woman is histronic.
These types tend to be involved in entertainment like music, movies or reality TV shows.
What GIVES JASON?
Technically, women and men have equal number of NPD and BPD cases, but are often misdiagnosed due to gender norms with emotional expression, as you said.
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I was once diagnosed NPD and HPD. I am not grandiose and am unstable, neurotic. I do not self harm. I have no friends and no empathy. I think I am a primary psychopath and secondary psychopath. I have empty self esteem used to be low.
how is your life right now? And how is your relationship going?
@@himesh5869 Awful. All alone and hated by most because selfish, try to impress, weird, stupid. Hope that is helpful. I am miserable. Elderly now and you feel worse when old.
@@birdlover6842 I am sorry for whatever you are facing man. Maybe world doesnt thinks the way for you the way you are percieving yourself.
Btw what is you age?
PS: Incase you need a friend to vent out, we can add in fb or insta.
@@birdlover6842I Hope you find happiness in life
@@birdlover6842I feel you
I'm diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder, I've once had it all and now I have nothing anymore everybody hates me and I've got no friends anymore, it's killing me cuz it's making me feel bad about my self and it's not boosting my ego I don't know what to do anymore.
Can someone explain to me the social expectations aspect? If it is more socially acceptable for men to have the traits of narcissistic personality disorder, wouldn't that mean they would blend in better, and be less likely to be diagnosed? Likewise if a woman displayed those traits, you'd expect it to cause a greater level of dysfunction to their life, and they'd be more likely to be diagnosed?
Literally was thinking the same thing; “shouldn’t the opposite be diagnosed then?”
They don't see anything wrong with their behavior. They think it's normal. Especially histrionic, which is more or less woman narcissist.
I think you have a wrong idea of people diagnosed with npd grandiose or vunerable. We do blend in perfectly. I didn't lower my mask until I got married and had four kids. you trying to diagnose someone you don't personally know is comical
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549was this supposed to be directed at someone else? It doesn't seem to match up with what you are responding to.
Can someone have all 4 cluster bs
Technically yes but I've never seen it
are they diagnosed properly or you see a woman and make the diagnoses fit the gender?
Cluster B
i just don't see any difference between borderline and borderline type one...
I agree with everything you say except for one thing, and you were completely and totally wrong about that, narcissistic personality disorder can be every bit as destructive as any other personality disorder.
A true narcissistic personality disorder person will use every means available to destroy every single person who doesn't basically worship them, similar to histrionic, but more severe. They will use the court systems, and I believe that this particular personality disorder is responsible for more cases of parent alienation syndrome than anyone is even prepared to investigate.
Although the person with a narcissistic personality disorder may not be as negatively impacted in their own financial, or other aspects of their life, the web of destruction that they can enter twine people within Hass to be part of the severity rating, children, exes, coworkers, clients, etc.
Their lack of insight is probably the most telling way to judge the severity of their capacity for distraction. If they take some responsibility and show some level of remorse, great. You got something to hang a toe on.
But if you find yourself looking at somebody and you say this person has never taken actual responsibility for changing their behavior and actually shown true remorse and apologize to other people then you're looking at a narcissist with low insight and a very poor prognosis, and you may think it's an ASP.
ASP and NPD can take pleasure in slights bcuz it gives opportunity for histrionics, or drama.
Both can be destructive and remorseless- except they wish they caused even worse destruction.
Very hard to Differentially Diagnose Cluster B's and maybe we fo not really grasp this human dimension well.
Agree. Narcs also have problems with anger and feel negative emotions more intensely than most neurotypicals do. This is largely what drives their interpersonal problems.
With money, narcs can go either way. They are quite impulsive so even if they are good at earning it, holding onto it is a different story.
Regarding narcs with low insight, more grandiose ones can actually be closer to psychopaths.
I think he means that narcisism is not as debilitating to the narcisist himself but more so to others while BPD/ASPD people feel way worse about themselves and often isolate, example: narcisists are often very successful compared to borderliners because they dont feel guilt consciously while borderliners feel guilt very intensely
A true narcissistic personality. Oh so you dehumanizing everyone with npd as that. Think being discarded and replaced is more likely than any of that. Or just them moving on. I personally wouldn't want to be associated with someone that views me this way or care enough to hurt you over it. Only people I've ever personally wanted to hurt was those who hurt me.
narcissistic
borderline
histrionic
antisocial
Cluster B disorder aka the "wild" cluster...
all 4 disorders share the following...
-all are high in neuroticism
-all have low self-esteem
-all have an unstable sense of identity
-all are extremely sensitive to rejection or criticism
-all are thin-skinned
-all are deeply wounded by even the slightest indignities
-all are a combination of emotional instability and poor self-image (and this is common in both males and females)
See independent videos for a more in-depth explanation.
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There's a lot of talk that women and men may have been misdiagnosed with BPD and ASPD because of those sexist tropes - that BPD is a women's condition and ASPD is the male version, which is not true. Personally, I think the ICD system (the system used in most countries outside the USA) has a much better approach than the DSM. They have scrapped all of the old personality disorder categories and replaced them with a dimensional model which records all traits and severity. It provides for a much more holistic approach, whereas the DSM tries to shoehorn people into often very arbitrary and reductive categorisations.
Criminality
Therapy theas ntz. Accept your uniqueness embrace them and keep getting back up and trudging! God Is king!
I appreciate the inclusion of gender roles in correlation to societal expectations.
Why are adolescents not diagnosed with ASPD?
They naturally tend to be in your face, F off, reckless etc, also extremely narcissistic. If this persists in early adulthood (after age 18), then there's a problem. Only BPD is diagnosable in adolescence.
I've experienced a person that showed histrionic pd and if they think your a threat best believe they will through flying monkeys.. Thank God she was just way too dramatic for people to care about her lies. I've met a borderline and they are much more manageable, still dramatic but you can tell they are trying their best ton manage it.
You met 2 people, you're talking about it as if you were in discovery channel. One person will not represent the entire group, this is something most children understand. Crazy how you went from ''one person'' to ''they'' twice.
@@tomasallende9583 no no I’m talking about my experience and how I view them. They are in a constant struggle with themselves and I’ve been in the brunt of it. Didn’t mean to come off as a know it all lol. Do you know anyone close to you who is histrionic? If so how are they like? If I may ask.
@@alexianeves diagnosed no, my dad is a narcissist and his life is sad, but he harms other people worst so... I know a girl who wasn't diagnosed but her therapist was pretty sure she was histrionic with borderline features and she was pretty cool, she had a drug problem like me but seemed like a nice person.
@@tomasallende9583 I hear ya, at maybe I’m a lil biased but after and during my encounter it prompt me to study these personality traits it helps me sympathize with them despite being treated like crap.
I am histrionic myself and I am a male. Honestly if I could describe this feeling it’s like as if I didn’t exist if I am not noticed by any other person. Being with myself is extremely difficult. The sense of self-emptiness appears if there’s no one in the room apart from me. Just as if I needed a mirror who’d be the other person to see who I am. I did a lot of self improvement and prolly don,t hit the diagnosis criteria anymore tho, but the predispositions are there…
The question is Why is this such a problem, why do these people exist? It's not all abuse related, plenty of people are abused and turn out to be decent human beings. These people are all liars so even if they tell me they were abused I simply don't believe them.
Glad to learn about myself lol
Basically the core of political extremism, especially those who push for radical collectivism. It allows for maximal control.
worsened with substances to crime or hard sabotage
I am cluster A not cluster at all cluster B
I was diagnosed with cluster B in 1996 confirmed in 97 confirmed in 2010 and now just confirmed again here in 2024 with different doctors each time every time I move I have to prove because they can't get the records from the previous doctor I told him who the doctor was they just never signed a paper for me to sign cuz I told him the address and everything I don't know where it's at now by the way I did the test again and I proved it it was a long test must I say and you know what right now since I'm not in therapy I don't care about this I really don't I haven't I haven't you like me or you don't you love me or you hate me either it is or it ain't I could go on all day can I have been on 4 different videos now
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This sounds a lot like Anita Sarkeesian
That gender axis only reinforces harmful stereotypes. "Diagnosed more often" is not a part of a definiton. :/
Texas border line disorder
I totally disagree with you about HPD.
Most are not appropriate with children,care very delusional about everything.
Not just relationships and they are very explosive. More so than the others.
Most HPD can not keep a regular job.
Yes histrionics are violent and aggressive and very jealous of other women .all the acts of sweetness and care seems only skin deep.
How would you even know that? You know everyone with bpd or how their life is going?
@@apatheticxmindsetx3549I think he/she did not mention bpd even once in this comment.
@@ProsiaczekMr autocorrect
I dont think women are more likely to be borderline. I think its more so men are more likely to not seek help and escape with drugs alcohol etc
The constant histrionic seems evil and on purpose sorry I've seem it.
Can you explain how?
As someone that is a psychopath with ASPD, all of this is false. As far as im concerned, im a living god. I couldn't begin to care less about the existence of others, so i certainly couldnt care less about their opinions of me.
So what do you mean is fake from the information presented. It did not say anything about caring about the opinions of others. Also psychopathy as far as I know also includes narcissism as a trait.
You keep claiming the gender differences are cultural. Do you have evidence? Aren't these differences stable across cultures?
Why are men pink and women blue lol
Criminology
TEXAS BORDERLINE
The immediate leap, in all four cases, of attributing the disparity in male/female prevalence of these disorders to societal expectations is highly dubious, and probably ideologically motivated. Sexual dimorphism is real, yes in humans, and yes even in the structure of the brain. Of course social/cultural norms play a role, but then they are only half the story, and they themselves have a biological basis, or at the very least were formed by a long interplay between culture and the physical world, including the evolutionary processes that led to said imorphism. Not subscribed