REVIEW: The Proud Family DEMANDS Reparations
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
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It's time for another Proud Family: Louder and Prouder video!
Join me as I go through the yet another controversial Proud Family reboot episode, this time covering the topic of reparations and the Transatlantic slave trade. Is it a helpful assessment or incendiary and ahistorical? Let's watch together!
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Music: Track 25 - Investigation (Dai Gyakuten Saiban/The Great Ace Attorney)
Sources
Slavery % in workforce: www.sciencedirect.com/science....
statista.com/statistics/10696...
General US wealth distribution during this era: www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/dis...
cepr.org/voxeu/columns/unequa....
Slavery’s importance to building country: www.gilderlehrman.org/history...
Relevance of slavery to war: / 1622731761770692611 - Фільми й анімація
“Racism equals prejudice plus power”
No. That’s wrong. People of all classes and backgrounds have been racist to each other.
Also, is anyone gonna point out the fact that even by that definition that still means it’s not exclusive
Right? That definition is so iffy too. Like if you’re a manager then you have power over employees. To say you are black and can’t be racist may mean that you can mistreat your employees based off race . That’s awful
“Power” is such a stupid term to throw in there. What *is* power? Money? Having a lot of supporters with the same mindset as you? Influence? A gun?
A better word to use would’ve been “hate”, because rac*sts tend to.. yknow, hate a specific group of people for weird reasons.
@@flames1752 Definitely. And a homeless guy may have virtually no political power, but if he lurches at you on the street and his stench-covered body is physically threatening you, he has power in that situation.
Talking points like this only serve as fuel for racism, not a counterpoint. The Proud Family is promoting a very dangerous mindset imo.
Dijonay was always a trash friend, and no one can convince me otherwise
Even as a kid I always felt confused by the Third Story episode and Penny’s conversation with Dijonnay: one moment she’s saying “you’re always doing this and I’m not going to take it anymore” but she ended it by saying “I trust you to be the person I can’t trust” … even when I was a kid I thought that was an awful lesson 😒😒😒
Yeah she would have been axed by any sensible person. It’s messed up cause she’s the most consistent in the reboot cause she’s always been awful 😂
I been knowing that too.
No I’m with you on this one
No need. Most of the fanbase agrees
Blaming an infant for black racism is like blaming an Asian child for pearl harbour
Or blaming a Muslim baby for 9/11.
Dont forget blaming anyone who weren’t alive during the start of the Islamic revolution in Iran and had nothing to do with it whatsoever despite living overseas 😂😂 I get this sh*t alot 🤦♀️
Fr this (the message the show is sending I mean) doesn’t help the issue at all, I got blamed for Pearl Harbor as a third grader in class because my mom is a Japanese immigrant, I got bullied, and that messed me up for literal years. The fact that blaming literal children for things they had nothing to do with because of their race/ethnicity is being encouraged in this show is just wrong imo :(
@@Namiasister Unfortunately kids are fucking assholes. And the "adult" writers that penned this are somehow worse.
I wonder if they'd feel okay being blamed for every rape and murder an ancestor of theirs did.
@@quinnfletcher3906 There's no such thing as a muslim baby, you have to accept the religious ideology of Islam to be Muslim. According to Islam, dying by committing acts of Jihad is the for sure way into heaven. This unfortunately isn't an exaggeration.
Racism as a word only works because of its specific accuracy of the act it describes, change the meaning and people won’t care.
If suddenly an entire group of people can’t be racist by the new definition then what’s keeping them from acting racist by the old one?
Exactly! You have to question the motivation when someone wants to shift the goalposts.
THIS.
Show this to Zionists!!! They keep screaming anti-semitism to the roof of their mouths.
@@Truffs_Stuff Simple. Victimhood has become social currency. Its a desirable trait now
@@Truffs_Stuffyeah like, WHY though? What exactly are we trying to get away with by changing the meaning of the definition? There’s that saying that “hurt people hurt people”. On one hand, you would think a group that knows what it feels like to be discriminated against, left out, or made fun of and bullied for their race or cultural distinctions would never want anyone else to hurt that way or experience what they had been through…but I sadly think the “hurt people hurt people” fact applies here a lot too for those so badly wanting to change the definition.
Using the excuse of “well I had it a lot worse so who cares how you feel you’ll never fully know pain unless you went through what I did” is also the exact same excuse a partner in an abusive relationship or an abused child would hear as an excuse from their abusive partner or parent who had once been abused themselves. They use their trauma and abuse they experienced in the past to justify treating others badly. It’s ultimately just an deflective excuse to block out any criticism or hold their harmful actions against another accountable. An excuse to avoid growing as a person and growing beyond your own pain to be be the better person than the people who hurt you.
How is it that Louder and Prouder keeps getting scrapping the bottom of the barrel?
I wouldnt say scraping the bottom of the barrel, more like copying the playbook of other failed shows
The original series was also bad, it’s only surviving on nostalgia from an audience that was too young to understand what it was about.
@bloodymary9404 I think the original series had some good episodes, but the most prominent thing I really remember is that Penny is facing a problem and turns to her friends to help her through her trouble. They bail on her, forcing her to handle it herself. Then when the problem is resolved, they come back like they were always there for her. This is the best show to demonstrate exactly what a "fair weather friend" is.
Louder and Prouder: “hold my beer”
I wouldn't say it scraped the bottom of the barrel, moreso it dug beyond that and found ANOTHER barrel.
Is it just me or has the new reboot focus more on Penny and her fake friends than the actual PROUD FAMILY… like… what the actual show is named for???
Because if they decided to focus on the family part, no one will watch that show
Weren't are all the episodes like that? If anything her parents are more fked up, Trudy locking her daughter outside at night as a punishment and the dad too scared to help
@@doctorquacks87 well is anyone watching it now?
it feels more like a spinoff than an actual reboot lmao
@@kinman3051probably not
the shows just toxic, im black n id never let my young sister see this show, or atleast id warn her to not buy this shi. World has suffered too much prolonged by somn who claims to "fix" it, done all in the name for power. Im not gonna let her baggage trauma instead let her start a life a new, one where she wont involve herself with these cult of excusers.
You’re a good sister, if anything let her see the OG series (supervised), because sure the main friend group was toxic back then but they had likeable moments plus the OG had Sticky
And had better messages about genuine respect and tolerance.
How bout the original
dude my little cousin watches this show.. I don't see her often but when I do I gotta make sure she isn't watching this
Yep. I would not watch the reboot series, it has some bad episodes such as that one time Penny was locked out on purpose, and that one episode of colorism about only dating white girls. I would also not watch the original series as I analyzed that Penny has terrible friends. The lesson in this case is Nostalgia doesn't sell...
A little off topic, but i absolutely CAN'T STAND MAYA BRO. Why they gotta replace my boy sticky with her 😢
Sticky got done dirty rescue my boy
I couldn't stand Maya when introduced her I get they made her completely woke and activist 😢. She was so rude to Penny
@@Tawnyanime Exactly so rude to Penny for absolutely no reason. Maya can NEVER be Huey from Boondocks
@@Reddyicecream yeah because he's a genuine character who is a radical, Maya is just radical ideology that they tried to write a paper thin character around
She really brings nothing to the group. She's just as mean and petty as Penny's other "friends" and they never bring up that her one father is a white cop and her other father is a wealthy banker. Maya is black, yes, but she also comes from a place of extreme privilege. I wish the show would have at least acknowledged that a little
They scraped the bottom of the barrel, kept going and found another fucking barrel
I'd say they hit a septic tank.
They hit a toxic barrel
They hit a nuclear waste bin.
No at this point they found the earths core.
@@funnyblog100 and it still not enough. Now it already dug another planet core
Okay, it’s one thing talk about politics or tough topics in a kids show, but to spread misinformation and present one sided arguments is unacceptable.
I mean, look at Static Shock. Sure it wasn’t perfect, but it was clever with how they implemented the harsh topics and was nuanced with its arguments.
Agreed! I wouldn't have a problem with the topics being raised if they were presented with no misinformation and in an age-appropriate, sensitive way. The reboot missed the memo a bit there 🙃
@@Truffs_Stuff How is it that The Fresh Prince of Bel-air, a show from the 80s and which was quite wacky, presented these topics in a nuanced and mature way that felt thought out. Hell, they even have episodes on black people being prejudice towards white people or against black people who don’t “act black”.
@@insectostrich4407 90s actually, but your point still stands, that episode where Carlton couldn't get into a fraternity because he wasn't "black enough" spoke volumes and Carlton gave the perfect response that "black isn't what i'm trying to be, IT'S WHO I AM" and yeah that episode with Will's aunt marrying a white man and his mom objecting to it because her claim was "she knew how to play the game" oooh man that's a top 10 ep for me, but i think one that doesn't get enough talk is the one where Uncle Phil and Aunt Viv's old protesting friend comes around and ropes will into a protest that got him in trouble and she tried to blame Phil and Viv for "going soft" until Uncle Phil shut her down by reminding her he never forgot the harsh acts done to them when protesting but with him having a family he can't be that reckless, especially since he is now in a position where he can help from the other side.
Fresh Prince did what Proud family THINKS it's doing
@@ShanaReviews Ah, damn it! I knew I got the year wrong😖 But yeah, another great example. It’s not saying protesting is necessarily bad or you should forget what you’re fighting for, but you need to be mindful of how it affects those around you. Also, well said with that line at the end👏
The problem is that even if you take all the race elements out, this show is mean. It is a mean show about mean people. Penny is one of the only not terrible people on the show, and yet the entire show revolves around just pushing her down and being cruel to her
With all the changes this show makes to attempt to be more "progressive," why do they still try to convince us that Penny and Dijonay are besties despite all the times Dijonay has ever betrayed Penny or taken advantage of her kindness. What's the message they're trying to show with that? That you should let your best friend walk all over you for the sake of keeping a world record for BFFs for life? That true friends will always have your back no matter how many times you stab them in their backs? What kind of message is that?
Seriously, a lot of the messages about race and politics get lost or distorted because the people around Penny are so terrible.
Not to mention how the show treats the Chang triplets. If they actually cared about minorities, the episode would’ve actually framed Penny as being in the wrong for how she treated one of the girls.
I like to assume Thr Writers are trying to portrait Penny as either mentally or emotionally messed up, and that's why she doesn't react to other people's bull crap, not even her own family.
@@misterOrca4 Seriously tho, there's an episode where her parents LOCK HER OUT OF THE HOUSE AT NIGHT because she deliberately skipped curfew. You know how dangerous it is leaving a child outside ALONE AT NIGHT? How does this show expect its audience to take their messages about social issues seriously when half the characters are delusional enough to lock their kid outside alone at night to prove a point about responsibility?
Oh definitely a reflection of the writer's morals
New Proud family thinks its the boondocks. But its too busy being cringe.
A crossover episode I didn't know I needed.
I mean...there is an Uncle Rukus mention in one of the new proud family episodes.
I was actually in a school debate and my opponent (a black lady) actually used the same argument about slavery and that America was the worst slave drivers. I then explained how the Muslims treated slaves, and that states like Yemen and Oman had slaves into the 1960's and 70's. For the sack of this comment section I won't talk about it but finding the information isn't very difficult.
Yup! Sadly, slavery has existed and continues to exist everywhere. The Transatlantic slave trade was *one of* the biggest-scale slave trades in human history - and that absolutely deserves recognition - but we don't need to ignore the other ones or make it a simple pantomime version of a racial issue (black sovereign kingdoms directly profited from selling POWs 😬) to recognise how insanely cruel it was. It's the same as ever: powerful party (African sellers, then Euro/American traders) takes advantage of less powerful party (African POWs/callously discarded serfs).
@@Truffs_Stuff The thing that makes slavery in the US so different, is the level of what went into it to defend it
The racism (decades worth of “scientific studies” and religious propaganda to try and prove that Africans were biologically less intelligent, more savage, malleable, and in need of saving and guidance from white people
An ideology that continues to leak into present day
Slavery from the past tended to be the result of winning wars or religious conversion
Which was still fucked trust
But the roots of slavery and even African apartheid and their lasting effects in and against the black community
Is probably what could lead someone to that conclusion
They determined we were subhuman to justify what they were doing
@@Truffs_Stuff not to mention in Africa slavery is still a thing through the mines, and through the brothels.
Slavery in Korea was actually worse, and went on for even longer
@@AnInkStick yes! issue is a lot of people who speak of past tragedies such as slavery and how they deserve reparation fail to realise that modern slavery is very much alive and thriving yet you don't hear those same people demonstrating, protesting or demanding reparations for the millions of people currently enslaved over the world with the biggest ethnic group being enslaved in modern times being Asian. Those of us in first world countries are extremely privileged regardless of our skin tone or ethnic group and on the topic of racism, I do believe racism can still be very rife in certain places in fact I've witnessed it first-hand but we also have the freedom of being able to speak up about discrimination and poor treatment, modern day slaves cant.
So American television thinks this ok but Bluey episodes that discuss pregnancy/asking where babies come from is blasphemy? As an American all I have to say is smh
Wasn't the show for both kids and parents to watch?
@ivygirl9119 Yes but Disney (where Bluey is shown in the US) is weird af
The difference is that Bluey was made for younger kids. This is allegedly made for older kids, though I have a sneaking suspicion that the creators made it for themselves.
And miscarriages
@jules6735 it's on BBC in the UK
I never liked it when shows feel the need to always remind you of a character's race. Being Mexican, it gives me the creeps how much they want me to think that I'm oppressed in society.
Anyways, great video! The edits gave me some laughs, and the audio is perfect!
I know exactly what you mean! Feels a bit fetishy sometimes - like a certain type of person gets off on imagining your misery and whiteknighting on your behalf, eugh 🥲
Aaaa thank you, that's very kind haha! Always glad to hear someone's had a lil fun watching my nonsense 😎
I have something similar, if completely different at the same time. I'm Irish and I have to keep reminding people that my ancestors (both distant and recent) have been racially abused.
@@Truffs_StuffI remember they touched on that in George Lopez when Hillary Duff cameo'd.
Yeah. I'm black, and it feels uncomfortable when shows and people are like, "You're oppressed". Some are, especially in other countries, but in most of America, we're not anymore. They always want to make it about slavery in the US all while forgetting it was worse in other countries, but I guess pointing that out is "racist". Also, "black people can't be racist" is stupid. They have been to everyone else, even other black people. Many were even racist towards me for being a Muslim and tried to say I'm "not black", yet, "Oh, cuz they're black" it's not racist, I'M BLACK AND THEY ARE BEING RACIST TOWARDS ME. You see how stupid this whole victimization is? We don't live in the 1800s. It's 2024, and we're in the 21st century. They need to stop being delusional and narcissistic and do something to help people in need within the US and other countries when they have that opportunity.
That's an ethnicity tho
The show's not irredeemable. If on the final episode Penny snaps back into being a sane character like she was in the original show beats the ever living hell out of Maya and then flips all of her friends off because they've always been the most toxic supporting cast you could dream of, and then goes off to college to start a new life away from all these awful ass people. Then the show would get a pass in my eyes
"And you know what Maya? We were wrong: black people CAN be racist and you're living proof of that fact. You're also super privileged being the daughter of a wealthy banker and a police officer so your talk of social justice and pseudo wokism really rings hollow by the fact you're also just so full of yourself. Its clout you're after, not solidarity. Believe what you want because the truth of the matter is people like you do far FAR more harm than good. Hope one day you see that. Bye."
Penny definitely needs better friends.
She really does 😭 They just stomp on her feelings all day
Im indigenous alaska native. I've had a counseler who was also native try telling me that I have "ancestral trauma" or something like that. And I asked why and he told me "because our ancestors were treated terrible in this country" (which is true) but i asked him "how am i traumatized....non of this happened to me" and he was dumbfounded. Looked at me Like I asked the dumbest question ever.
Holy shit that's insane from someone who's meant to be there to give you tools for stabilising your mental health 😅
What kind of bulls-
@@starrsmith3810 just a bunch of bullshit
man i'm so sad this show turned out like this. i'm a white european and i've never heard about the old cartoon growing up, i got interested in this one because of the pretty artstyle and i feel like a lot of kids might too, and it's a shame they keep putting toxic messages in. it would've been a great way to educate children
The original is better, sure Penny's friends can still be insufferable at times but it is not to the degree this is at!
Definitely check out the original Proud Family.
Flashing an image of the KKK on a show made for children is actually insane
Fully unhinged behaviour I--
There IS a way to address the issue with kids, but... its not this. Ignoring history entirely and feeding a sanitized version to children will never go well, but this is the other extreme and without actual context, its... kinda useless
Movies like Bedknobs and Broomsticks and Sound of Music, and Captain Planet and Histeria for shows, openly show or talk about N*zis, so that's not much weirder. But those were for actual historical purposes. the Triple K Cult in this is for propaganda purposes only
This is how you brainwash a genuation
I think book of viruses did that too but that was a good show
Beyond the critical theory nonsense, I was horrified by some quotes from Dijonay you highlighted. I've seen a handful of the episodes prior to the reboot, and barely remember it. I would never show this to kids because I would not want them to think it's ok for a friend to treat them that way. I feel like the racism stuff is going to go over a lot of kid's heads anyway, so the toxicity concerns me more.
They could've done a plot in this episode about how you can't force friends to honour your relationship the way *you* want to (like through this anniversary thing), but you can find a nice middle ground like making the effort to get a coffee together from time to time. But instead we got this toxic behaviour 😭
@@Truffs_Stuff Absolutely! Penny needs some counseling, and better friends. But yeah both friends should make some kind of effort and communicate to each other.
white privilage, while it does exist in some situations, doesnt really exist in much quantity nowadays. power matters FAR MORE in america than race.
ewww racist
@@thecoolestofthe834s2Pepe pfp
Honestly never understood the whole Reparations thing. Why should I have to pay for something my forefathers did? Did I have slaves? No. Did I discriminate someone based on color intentionally? No. Did I ever make someone sit on the back of the bus? No never once, I don't even drive a bus. We shouldn't let the sins of the father affect a innocent person.
You should only really have to do it if your ancestors actually are proven to, and your family is STILL benefitting from it. So a rich person, which I feel like if you're NOT rich, most people would understand there's not much you can do. I think a good middle ground is like baking some cookies or something LIKE that just a really nice wholesome gesture from the heart yk. Bc the way i see it, as long as you still feel empathy towards the person who descended from those slaves, EMPATHY and not guilt, you've done nothing wrong. HOWEVER, I think as soon as you start playing the victim or even just act apathetic and careless about it entirely instead of kind, that's when you officially HAVE done something wrong. But only to the extent of being a massive dickhead, not evil like I think people would say about your theoretical ancestors
@@totallytravicious5919 Nah I don’t think that makes sense. Sure if I had a company or something built off slaves but having to give up my own money? Fuck that.
@@senatorarmstrong1233exactly it's history, Important but progress should be prioritized
And to add to this couldn't any race ask for reparations from a race that wronged them in the past, like the japanese for genghis khan, or the Chinese for unit 731, or hell the jews for everything they went through during ww2, I personally think that's another problem with this is that if one race starts asking for it then shouldn't every race that's been wronged get them too
Because your forefathers did not paid it when they were asked for it 160 years ago? The demand for reparations is not a new thing
How did slaves build the states that had outlawed slavery since the beginning?
Southern cotton enabled northern industrialization
@@soulplexisSource?
@@SpiderkillersInc Source: History
@@soulplexis That's not how showing sources works.
United States ended slavery after the civil war however there were free States and slave States
Its impressive how mean spirited this reboot is when the original was so wholesome and had clever messaging that anyone could come away with
It feels like a platform for the writers' vitriol, rather than a discussion of difficult topics.
Glad to see Sticky got the hell out of here
He literally hightails it in episode 1 of the reboot it's great
Thought they became trans
Yeah that song has always bothered me as a Haitian, yes while slaves did contribute to the U.S., the true building block of the U.S. was the colonization and ethnic cleansing of indigenous Americans. Harsh but unfortunately it's the reality of the country. and also reparations seems whatever for me, because while I think the U.S. has its issues i don't see how it paying every slave descendant would somehow wash its history.
And also Maya is so annoying -_-
They shouldn't have reboot this in the first place, rebooting a long dead series that was cancelled prematurely is a double
edge sword. There's always a risk, you don't know if its a good or bad.
They could've done something interesting with it I think, but the writing just wasn't good enough for it 😅
"Anyone is capable of racism and anyone who is racist is capable of changing" - Nacht Silens
Isn't the point of equality is to not give a rear end about skin color and not assume people are horrible based on something stupid thry cant control
This is a horrible show. SHUT IT DOWN!! 👎
It's been a long time, young lady.
I really, REALLY missed ya since October!
Aww thank you 🥹 I've missed you all too - good to be back uploading!!
i thought kids shows were supposed to be KIDS SHOWS, this pandering dumpster fire is a horrible step in the wrong direction
Gotta love how they make these sweeping statements about racism and how black people can’t be racist and how all white people have privilege that makes them worse, and yet Zoey, the token white girl, is consistently the only nice person in Penny’s group.
Like, I’m not the only one who see’s that’s weird, right?
Yea she's the ginger white girl and we all know Disney hates that hair colour
I know this is a strange comparison, but this show is like Mr Birchum, but instead of pandering to people like me, it panders to people on the left instead.
Only the extreme left. Most of us pretty clearly recognize that stuff like this actually hurts our cause in the long run.
@@UltraPoseidonthat’s understandable. My father is a social democrat and is against stuff like this.
Holy hell. That’s a crazy comparison that actually kinda works I think. Although I think Mr Birchum is a LOT more worse than this show in general.
Honestly, as terrible as Mr. Birchum actually is, Proud Family annoys me far more. Why? Because it is so mean! Take out all the politics and discussions on race and it is still a mean, cruel show.
@@carlycrays2831 all mr birchum needs is places where the conservatives are wrong ...
Tbh I was never a fan of this show or the other show. The only reason I watched part of the show is cause I wanted to see if they could take in a different direction than it’s predecessor but it only got worse and the show suffered because of it. I don’t like it when a show sinks it own ship and it’s sad when it happens.
I had that hope too! It's one of those where the beautiful art style is wasted too on a side note 😭
@@Truffs_Stuffthat’s true. I love it when shows have amazing art styles but if the story isn’t doing the art style any justice than it’s sad.😢
I used to watch the original because it went in some whacky directions sometimes and could be fun. This one just seems miserable.
The worst part is now they have portrayed debates, basically the biggest sophist wins. Doesn't matter the quality of your argument, its about doing it in a catchy way. At least they are honest about using brain washing tactics
This philosophy can hurt human curiosity and progress so so much when it spreads
that is literally what we are taught in school is a good debate. as a gen z kid
First Dijonay says "you can keep the mule," then "but we'll take the mule." Wish she'd make up her mind.
"racism is prejudice plus power" Penny was just talking to an Asian, a race that also at one point didn't have power and had prejudice against them. Every race has faced some kind of prejudice and lack of power. That's why anyone can be racist regardless of race. Idk how this is still a discussion in 2024 but I guess people can be stupid in any year.
How ironic so much for stopping Asian hate
I wonder how louder and prouder shows how ignorant they are when its in the title of the show
They're certainly loud ig
As a whitey kid I watched the original show. But was so mad that the characters didn’t look like me. No I’m kidding. I enjoyed it for the most part. Because I remember a lot of the situations and the family being relatable. Funny how that works. It’s almost like race shit doesn’t really matter that much. Hmm.
We got zoey
Can we also just talk about how awful everyone treats Zoey? I haven’t watched the show (I refuse to) but from the clips I’ve seen, they treat her like she’s stupid. Even in the whole song you mentioned they don’t let her speak. She’s quiet the whole time, like she isn’t allowed to speak because of her skin color. That’s not even getting into the colorism episode.
The writers came up with some plot reason (she's lost her voice this episode) for why she couldn't take part in the song towards the end here, but you as a watcher know why they did that haha
Well they possibly dumbed her down to show white people are also, of cause, the ginger white girl is the door mat
The worst episode was the one when that celebrity or boy liked Zoe more and everyone got mad except for two people
He likes white girls but apparently she has to be with the nerdy white boy
Is it okay if I think the original show is better? 🤔🤔🤔
Because it's true.
Id say yeah.
The guy screaming and behaving like an animal saying "white fragility" while the other guy is just chilling and politely asking what is he talking about.
It's hilarious.
Maybe just breathing wrong
This show is giving ammo to the people who make that cringe Mr. Birchum show, which in turn gives ammo to the people who make this show it's a vicious cycle of extremes strengthening extremes.
This show had so much potential… They could’ve written Penny’s friends to actually act like friends. It could’ve been a fun slice of life comedy cartoon with stellar representation and occasionally go in to deeper topics like racism in an accurate and non forced way and have heartfelt interactions between the cast. But it really is none of those things.
never would happen its why you cant have trans people in anything or races that arent your own in your own story
Man, I really feel that the whole "racism" bit in this episode is out of the blue really.
If I'm not mistaken, this is the FIRST episode where we see the triplets again in this reboot/revival. Until this episode, the only idea of the "Chang Triplets" that we have its just them in the og series where they where a bunch of stereotypical academically smart kids that did really good in school and sport. They ARE smart, we know that much.
Then enter this episode and it seems the the argument that Penny used is supposed to be "inviting any of the chang triplets to the group cus they are Asian, so they are smart" wtf??? And nobody really corrects said statement? At most Maya tries correct it as Penny just being a jerk, not racist, which still doesn't erase the ridiculousness of the argument.
Obviously, everything points out at the fact that the Triplets in this new series aren't supposed to he these smart-ass kids they were in the og series. Billy is more laid-back, and Debbie seems to not want to be seen as "a smart kid" anymore.
But honestly it still baffles me that this scene tries to paint it as if Penny just wanted them on the team cus they were asian, and not because they LITERALLY were the smartest kids in the og series that we knew.
And their design was a racist stereotype with buck teeth and everything
The audience demands a good show but that ain't coming either.
Louder and Prouder is a disgrace and a failure to what it was before. Especially the new character. Having the character who’s “progressive” isn’t new, but it’s annoying AF when they take them seriously or have them influence the other characters and have them doing something that’s illogical and stupid
I have never seen an episode of that show, but WOW how are all those characters unlikable!
Everyone but Penny, Zoey and Suga Mama seems to have a stick up their ass 🥲
@@Truffs_Stuff Suga Mama is kind of cruel in the reboot too
Velma did it worse....fyi
Because Velma is this and then some.
I agree with you there.
@@mike14987 amen my friend
So we’ve heard a million times already.
No, just no. Velma is aware it is toxic. And frankly, the people on Velma actually don't seem to all hate each other.
@@carlycrays2831 it was a joke
I have a feeling that proud Families Main purpose as a show Was to put of bold and brave Statements about racism and Inequality. The kinda things where the Media would link in to say "yeah that's right" but they always kinda over shoot that Bar and say something that Comes off as aggressive and (not a pun) more Black and white than the actual complicated Problem so in the end they just sink in the mud and keep talking themselves deeper
Yeah as a huge fan of The Proud Family, I noticed that this season of the reboot is a lot more in your face about racism. I like the reboot, but I prefer the original series, the subjects it talked about felt more natural
We did pay reoperations. Do you know how many young men died in the civil war? 620,000. 620,000 thousand men in 4 years. for context, a war that was happening in New Zealand at roughly the same time that also lasted 4 years , the New Zealand War, killed 2600. The Boshin war in Japan which lasted a year killed 8200, even the Six Years War only killed 20,000 and that was considered incredibly deadly. It's not nearly as much as the slaves who died over the 100 years before hand, but to say we haven't paid is disingenuous at best.
The deegustan family
I used to like the show up until that episode which just made me feel bad about myself as I’m Mexican American, but I’m pale as a ghost so I look like an average American (minus the blue eyes, and blonde hair) so it’s usually a surprise when people find out I’m from Spanish descent. Now I only have one American relative that bring my great, great, great grandpa who married my Mexican great, great, great grandmother, but at the time of watching this episode I didn’t know that and felt ashamed that I came from a slave owner that might have owned some of my Mexican slave relatives, but after finding that isn’t true I was relieved, but I’m still pissed off from the show about it. Yes I do have Mexican relatives that were slaves, but I don’t make excuses about it when I’m trying to win an argument I just honestly hope the show gets better
I can't believe this is the same proud family I watched and loved as a kid, it feels like a sad shell of itself
Louder and Prouder would have an aneurism trying to comprehend me. Despite being white, I’m 10% African due to slavery. It’s like they completely forgot that majority of Americans are mixed.
They know and they probably hate it because they’re a big proponents of “blood purity “ and look at those of us who are a mixed race as a little more than abominations created because of “race traitors”
Nah, they'd just say you're "not really a brotha" or some equally racist shit.
They are killing this show. I loved the proud family. But this new reboot. It’s terrible .
Unrelated but there so many points in this episode where the animation quality randomly skyrockets for a few seconds and goes back to the regular one. I-I don't know why I felt so compelled to point that out.
Right? There's a bit in particular where Dijonay is talking back to Penny in the cafeteria and there's just inexplicably a lot of effort and money in that few seconds??
The lesson is Penny needs to get better friends for the 17th time, especially to get away from Dijonay. Why is she Penny's best friend again?
I think it's kind of telling that the plot intentionally removes them actually giving arguments for why reparations should be done.
Actually the infrastructure to the United States was built by immigrants and Americans, not slaves. The TransAtlantic slave trade peaked in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Slaves worked the fields, they were not the primary builders.
you have a very nice vid essay u made here, im taking notes for my societies class subject. Luckily my schools one of the more legitimate free thought places than the supposedly claimed n vocal ones. Im hoping it remains that way, id like to exercise my own right to do cultural criticism in an open platform
Thank you very much! Best of luck in your societies class 😊 It's really heartening to hear that some places of education foster diverse opinions and genuine debate - that's the dream, you love to see it 👌
It never fails to astound me that people on the left get so angry about the existence of the Tuttle Twins, which is a kids' show biased in favour of capitalism/libertarianism, and then make something like this...which is just as biased, in favour of leftist talking points!
In all honesty, I believe that kids' shows shouldn't try to indoctrinate young viewers into a certain worldview...full stop!!!! Be it left, right or another socio-political ideology.
However, one thing to keep in mind is that the Tuttle Twins is technically an independent cartoon and is only available on smaller streaming services, usually already with a conservative slant, whereas The Proud Family: Louder and Prouder is a Disney Channel show...about as mainstream as it gets! Thus, I think it warrants more criticism.
Also, at least Tuttle Twins had things to teach about economics and history that weren't warped to fit an agenda. Not like Louder and Prouder anyway
@@marcusblackwell2372 i haven't seen the show so I don't know for certain...but if that's true, then good on them for having some educational value!
@@cosmiquealiene6168 tuttle twins litterally goes into why capitalism with no bounds is bad and why socialism with no bounds sucks too.
@@thecoolestofthe834s2 Wait?! That's actually great! I'm still not in favour of politicised kids' shows, but I'm glad to hear it allegedly has more nuance than some other shows do.
"White people save us. You are obligated to."
No thanks, I've made my own life on my own.
2:39 she should lose the point for just straight up lieing. Unless i misheard her. It sounded like she said social media decreases depression and gives a sense of well being... which is literally the opposite of what all research has show and in fact leaks from social media companies shows that they know their product contributes to depression.
That's a good point too lmao
Girl's just making stuff up, that's not honest debating
@@Truffs_Stuff wait your telling me debat is baised what? really the place where you bring any conservative point up and its discualifyed for hurting minoritys..... wow no shit
Her argument in that clip is that "reducing social media use decreases incidents of depression" and apparently cites research from the University
of Pennsylvania, so she is actually arguing that point (and ironically advertises her own social media account at the end as a joke).
@@naturalplayboy94 ok that is better if that is the case. As I haven't seen the episode I had to go based on hearing the clip in the review, so I was really hoping they weren't out here telling kids that social media reduces depression.
I always love it when a black woman does ancestry and finds out she has white in her. They are confused because they say they are descendants from enslaved Africans. Turns out their ancestors in Africa was part of the Barbary Pirates. The Barbary Pirates kidnapped white working-class women and took them back to Africa. Well let's say they pooled their genetic makeup against their will. The first war the USA declared as nation. Was against the Barbary Pirates to end this enslavement. No CARTOON on that huh!!!!
There's white Africans from when Britain owned some countries in Africa such as South, and still, the natives are fighting them to get the land back and of cause being racist
I haven’t seen this many unlikeable characters since big mouth
Wasn’t California as a whole state had 0 slaves it’s entire life? Like, it was a 0 slave state? The state they’re living in?
And I’m pretty sure the native Americans before the colonists murdered everyone also owned slaves of their own? Someone fact check me if you think I could be wrong plz
Tbh I lost any interest in this show when they made an episode about Oscar and Trudy locking/kicking Penny out IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT and calling it "discipline".
You have such a lovely voice and i like your bg music. :)
Awww, thank you! Thanks for watching too 😍
"Ally Zoey" *shudders* At LGBTQI+ events, we don't address allies as "Ally Soandso." Othering allies and making them atone for crimes they didn't commit is not the way forward for any minority movement.
The best thing about it is the possible implication that if there is Ally X there may be Enemy Y
The most goofy way to throw shade at someone
thats what you guys do tho lol and ive heard people do that
@@thecoolestofthe834s2 fellow alphabet mobster here: yall literally started it with us lmao
Yet they didn't make her gay
i'm starting to think this show is just suppose to be rage bait
And brainwashing children
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@@Truffs_Stuff Ma-YUCK honestly😒
I thought I was they only one annoyed with Maya.
This show is definitely on my “don’t show my kid(s) this show” list.
The only way to defeat racism is to not show/talk about it
Kids shouldn't be racist, it's taught
This show really said “ slaves built the country!” as of America doesn’t have a whole damn history of colonization.
Unrelated but can we talk about how the chang triplets got the biggest glowup in the show
Fr I think they actually looked like racist caricatures before
They got their glowup AND this art style is just pretty, which helped
I was so bored the entire episode i barely got passed it. I LOVED the proud family when I was younger. It felt amazing having a girl who looked like me be the main character in that time period, but my favorite episodes always had majority of the family in them. I wanted a family like that, and saw myself in Penny. Thats why I was so excited when the reboot was coming out. I praised how much this show would be even better than before. Ive never finished the first season, i was so freaking bored and upset that her friends are just as horrible as they were back then now we got Little Miss Know-It-All always around who doesnt even like Penny. She only likes her because of her skin color and it shows. This show stayed a dumpter fire when they decided to take this show and make it about race CONSTANLY. I know im black, I really dont care to be reminded of it, just how white people dont want to be constantly reminded of something that they didnt even do. My white friend in COLLEGE appoligized to me for what theyre ancestors have done after watching this episode...Like girl what are you on? I wasnt a slave and you werent a slave master calm down
This made me cringe so hard my balls went back up.
Imagine having a partner and blaming them or making them feel guilty just cause they exist the way they are born
Especially when they’re your spouse 😓
I debate politics, Religion and gender, and I got to say it doesnt matter if they know your arguments, as long as they are sound and you know how to respond to the criticism of your arguments
That's true! It's not about memorisation by rote, it's about skilful debate 😎
The problem with the show is the problem with most things that attempt to analyze society and the problems that plague it, the writers or executives who work on the show are generally armchair progressives (they’re usually just US moderates). They don’t really attempt to understand the problems and their causes but rather parrot a poor interpretation of the solution, solutions that themselves are debated and analyzed in an attempt to find reasonable compromises.
Disney as a corporation will never take a firm stance on any political action that will majorly effect their stock or sales numbers so you often end up with shows and movies that maybe had a good nuanced point initially but have been gutted to conform to the delicate sensibilities of the common US moderate. Tv show format itself also isn’t good for long form nuanced discussion unless it commits to the thing it’s discussing, sitcoms generally handle issues in a handful of episodes over several seasons whereas shows like the wire have the discussions as part of the main story itself.
I was planning to watch the series but i heard about this particular episode on UA-cam. It just pissed me off and decided not to watch.
Its really sad I thought Loader and Prouder could of been a chance to give us more great stories and fixed some issues with the old show. But NOPE they take what’s bad about the old one and make it even worse and even add more bad things of their own. It’s also sad cause I really like Kiki Palmer and thought she was gonna be a great edition to the show.
I'm sure these same writers would scoff at giving Holocaust survivors reparations, and they're still alive!
And had one of the characters be autistic while using stereotypes
This country actually existed before the version of slavery they’re talking about. Slavery wasn’t really around until after the establishment of the colonies and the realization that division by race was more popular than division by class
Well my great great grandfather Richard Fiore I was a slave to Irish. Where are my reparations? Oh right, I'm white Italian. That's priviliged. I don't need them anyway. My grandmother worked hard to get with the town, and my father worked hard to become the boss of the IATSE unit at NBCU. And I'll be working in music engineering once I finish assessment training
I thought they were supposed to be in high school, the movie had them learning to drive, and she's 16 kissing 75 cent!
They're meant to be 14 in the reboot - only an academic year on from where they were in the original show haha
6:13 "although wealth and equality was actually a lot better in the 19th and 18th century compared to today. Even when we include the slaves." I'm going to need an elaboration on this. In the context of the United States which your video references, I'm astonished to hear this statement. The women's suffrage movement, civil rights movement, enslaved Africans, indigenous people that were slaughtered due to colonization would all disagree. I'm curious what makes you think that it was a lot better back then? "EVEN when we include the slaves"🧐
!! I'm such a dip I have a list of references for that section that I was meant to put in the comments section, thank you for reminding me - I'll add them now!
I was surprised too! That doesn't necessarily mean that it was a better life ofc (hard no), but wealth inequality was notably less dramatic in the USA during the TA slave trade than it is now. Sources:
www.digitalhistory.uh.edu/disp_textbook.cfm?smtID=11&psid=3840
cepr.org/voxeu/columns/unequal-gains-american-growth-and-inequality-1700#:~:text=New%20findings%20about%20American%20inequality,1%25%20got%20only%207.6%25.
Misinformation spreads easily (I mean see some of these Proud Family episodes for a start), so you're right to flag these things when you notice them 🙂
@@Truffs_Stuff the classic social harmony vs societal harmony argument that holds weight on the conservative side when your like arguing about the 1950s or 60s but fucking 1800s what? is there to argue about
@@Truffs_Stuff
Two of Washington, DC's most famous buildings, the White House and the United States Capitol, were built in large part by enslaved African Americans. National Archives holdings include wage rolls, promissory notes, and vouchers that document the work done by slaves on these two historic structures."
www.archives.gov/press/press-releases/2009/nr09-28-images.html#:~:text=Two%20of%20Washington%2C%20DC's%20most,on%20these%20two%20historic%20structures.
While i do not agree that this was the best example of CRT. I still will not discredit the message. This country was made my slave AND immigrants. Even after the comment on the economy being better. It did not include the slaves. And workers. They would pay them little to nothing and then still say they basically deserved it. However I understand the way the proud family put it is in you face. ((Which I am still 50/50 on if I like the show))
The song was not well executed. However slaves and immigrants did build this country.
This reboot is indeed Louder and Prouder, in the negative definitions of the words.
It sucks to see an amazing IP get destroyed with it's reboot or sequel or whatever. Also Maya is just an AWFUL addition to the show, she feels like she is trying to talk to the audience yet nobody wants to hear it.
All this time looking at the redhead skinny girl I never noticed how skinny and tall she was. I thought she was shorter. She’s taller than everyone in there
Woke people and Woke disney
Slavery was over 200 years ago why ask for money now?
*DISCLAIMER* I do not condone slavery, nor do I condone racism or historical manipulation. All people were built personally by God and as such every single person is held with extreme awe and respect by me... unless you do something so heinous that I cannot look the other way. To be perfectly clear. This country was not built by slaves, or by white people. It was built by a coalition of people who wanted to be free from tyranny just as much as the other person did but had the balls to do something. This includes Europeans Africans Spanish danish French and many other countries that had beef with england. From there many economic victories were not won with slave labor, but rather incentive theories and revolutionary progressions in many fields. To say only slaves built this country is at best deceptive, and at worst a sickening twisting of the history of our great nation to push a political agenda.
Yeah no fuck you buddy, the Irish slaves built this country, we just don't make a stink about it.
Fucking hell northern states still hang their 'Irish need not apply' signs as serious warnings.
Be honest with yourself.
I love that the only one Penny shouldn't ditch is the white girl.
Yet in this reboot they treat her awfully because she's white and Disneys fear ginger hair
@@skootergirl22 all true
The victim card that people claim when their ancestors were slaves is like claiming to have PTSD bc your great grandparent was a war vet 😂
1:37 that is exactly what my teacher said 🤦