REVIEW: The Proud Family Protest Episode - 'White Fragility' for Kids?
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2023
- Join me to watch another controversial episode from the Proud Family's reboot series, in which the cast protests a dark town legacy. Was this a sensitive discussion of a real piece of history, or yet another writing team congratulating itself on how progressive it is? Let's find out!
Here are the links about Lincoln and slavery I mentioned:
All of Lincoln's speeches on slavery: www.nps.gov/liho/learn/histor...
Lincoln's priorities: www.reuters.com/article/factc...
The Koch resettlement agreement: www.history.com/news/abraham-...
The death of the resettlement agreement: quod.lib.umich.edu/l/lincoln/...
Music: idk what to call this but its da secret in da pinball level - Pizza Tower OST - Фільми й анімація
"Do something with your white privilege!" In another context, that could've been a kind of funny joke, but I have a feeling it was completely serious here.
It was said with 0 irony here
They just don't hear how they sound lmao who talks like that
@@Truffs_Stuff, for fucking real. No one talks like that. It sounds like a conservative caricature of what their idea of an SJW would say. Frankly, none of the characters talk like actual people when these episodes get political.
"Do something with your black privilege "
Chaos assues
That quote could work in Drawn Together or a show that mocks social issues but no here
@@skootergirl22except black privilege isn’t a thing lmao
"Hackers are hiding racism on the interwebs" I can assure you they're doing quite the opposite
You ever heard of 4chan
@Shawnmiller1903 you think four chan is hiding?
@@Ericshadowblade not at all
@@Shawnmiller1903 Then what was the point of your response?
@@Ericshadowbladehiding what? You are missing a word
I’m a white man, and I was a kid when the original series came out. It was very inclusive and I loved it, it was my first experience with African American culture, and as an adult I can watch it and find myself still enjoying it. But the new series makes me uncomfortable, the message of tolerance and acceptance is gone and it truly feels like the show hates people like me, like I’m the bad guy for merely existing.
I agree. It feels like we're going backwards
Fr, they twist the meaning of racism as "white bad, black good" instead of including everyone equally and other races that are not black or white gets totally ignored, including mixed people
I have the same feeling, like with this whole “erasing any bad history cos PC” thing, I was honestly wondering how long it will take people to start denying a certain genocide happened ... before I remembered the man who was the cause of that was white so that will mean it will be left unchanged to further this “white = evil” mentality. Yes, white people have done evil things ... but the first slave owners weren’t white, they were black men selling their prisoners of war! (And now that I’ve pointed that out I’ll be branded the r-word too) 😒😒😒
Yea society isn’t as progressive anymore
That's what diversity always was
Remember the times of Static Shock where race issues were handled with taste, shaming racism of all kinds and social issues without being hypocritical and full of vitriol and hate like everything is in this day and age?
Yeah, I miss it.
Because these days it's not even about facing those problems with tact, but just subversion.
one of my all time favorite cartoons even outside of some of its great messages. I loved how it was a bit of an inversion and was a black main character with a white best friend, but similar to Scrubs it inverted that relationship even further by making the sidekick an equal and made them into a 3 dimensional characters. The episode where Static finds out his best friend, who's both his BFF, super hero sidekick, and a fan of black culture himself, has a dad who's racist and who he's both angry towards and also ashamed of was handled amazingly well and as a kid it showed you from a first hand perspective what racism felt like, especially since it came as a shock since the white best friend wasnt the least bit racist or even awkward around black people like you'd expect. The way Statics dad handled things too was amazing well done, better than you'd see any most media aimed toward adults even.
Those days they were well written, these days they're written for an agenda to brainwash kids(I say that because kids these days watch this stuff, but they're young they wouldn't look through this Political reboot)
@@jamesolszewski3782They already did in the comics, reimagining Static’s origin to being exposed to chemicals during some sort of DC-universe BLM rally.
Also... In the old days both with Static and Teen Titans.
There was REDEMPTION! A path to redemption.
And the ways for Static and Starfire to deal with the racism was being a BETTER person than the racist, proving them WRONG, by being BETTER, and not succumb to being petty.
And as the racist is PROVEN wrong due to their good actions, he can change and find a path to redemption. And once he has redeemed himself, through his actions and changed opinion. He is FORGIVEN, and they move PAST it.
The sad part of this episode is, it started out so good, maya finding out about how the town's founder was kinda a douche and the town was hiding it really felt like they were gonna go with the "people change history to suit their narrtive" kind of message, buttt then they brought up white fraglity and everything feel apart
I don't think anyone should care what certain colonizers did 200-300 years ago when the current generation wasn't even alive .. nowadays we spend too much time on the past instead of living in the present .. yes they may have been bad people but so was the spirit of the times at that time it was perfectly acceptable what they did if it wasn't acceptable they wouldn't have done it. A lot of slave factory traders were allowed by the law those days.
Missed a fun opportunity to compare it to African Americans trying to co opt Egyptian and Middle Eastern heritage - everyone tries to twist History to their own benefit
While I think the Atlantic Slave Trade does deserve representation in media and coverage - and whoever feels inspired to make media about it, more power to them - it does sometimes feel like it's treated as the only bad thing to ever happen. People also don't realise as a result that slavery isn't just history; it's in the present too. Even in the West. The UK has a huge problem with East Asian trafficking victims in nail bars for example, who are forced to work for nothing (wages 'paid' for bookkeeping's sake but not really) and have their passports destroyed or confiscated. If you've gone to a cheap nail bar here, chances are you've met a slave.
Media about this could draw attention to real modern issues - that's also a way to keep the legacy of the Atlantic slaves alive: to address modern slavery. I mean, that's IF you want to make media to make a statement.
@@KotoCrash that's right thank you for this mate others think the same ..double standard happens when everyone twist History to their own benefit
@@Truffs_Stuffthey also love to ignore that the slave trade was perpetuated by Africa, there ain’t no white man who’s gonna go into a jungle full of… whatever the hells in a jungle,
Like yeah Europe and Spain bought so many slaves but Africa itself had so much more, and then they made “The Woman King”, literally rewriting history of a tribe that fought the French to *Keep selling slaves* , like it’s literally the “We Wuz Kangz” meme, North Africa with t
It’s Egyptians and Mansa Musa type mfs was because geography, I really don’t understand why people care so much about shit that doesn’t matter, people ask me if I care about my immediate biological family cause they’re black and I’m like “hell no, I don’t even know those people in the slightest” 💀
Here is a list with everything inaccurte in this episode.
In her diary, Emily describes the celebration of Jubilee (precursor to Juneteenth) in 1827 when the first Jubilee celebrations actually happened in 1866 decades later than what she describes.
Despite its message on fighting revisionism being a good one, the episode gets a lot of facts wrong:
First, the town is supposed to take place in California, but it's founder who was supposed to have founded it almost 200 years ago is depicted as a New England type of man. This contradicts the fact that California would have historically been under Spanish rule and later under Mexico until 1848 where it ceded.
Second, while there were slaveowners who moved to California, during the Gold Rush, they weren't practicing plantation farming in the state itself like Christian A. Smith was depicted as doing, and California was heavily divided on the issue of slavery, with many people thinking that slaveowners bringing their slaves was an unfair advantage when it came to gold mining. And for that possibility to happen, it would have to take place two decades after the town was supposed to be founded, 1827. Also, while they were able to take slaves, they weren't able to maintain the practice due to there being no laws or enforcement to help them capture escaped slaves. As a result, many slaves did run away from their masters or became rich by finding gold and even bought freedom for themselves and their family. There was trading between slave holders in the state, and those who tried to capture escapees often found out the hard way that the courts ruled in favor of their victims. There is also the fact that they mentioned cotton as the crop grown on the Smith plantation which were introduced in California in the early 19th century, but the first attempts historically were by missionaries to provide clothing for the mostly naked Native Americans but proved to be unsuccessful at first due to the climate. As a result, they mostly imported their cotton rather than locally grow it until the 1840's (which happened way later than when the town was founded and Emily was enslaved) where it was established by settlers without any slave labor.
Third, the episode treats Lincoln as sticking to the idea of deporting slaves, when he actually abandoned the idea as he got to see slavery as more of a moral issue rather than political one. Also, while the border states were allowed to keep their slaves, it was so they wouldn't turn on them and join the Confederacy. Once the war was won, the 13th amendment abolished slavery across the whole US. In other words, it was a strategic maneuver to keep more states from rebelling. Lincoln didn't have the authority to just end slavery by himself via a proclamation. He could only do so in the Confederate states because they were actively rebelling and waging war. A permanent solution required Congress, which took more time and support.
Fourth, while Jubilee was celebrated, a non-slave state like California wouldn't have a reason to do so since it never had official black slavery widely practiced. And since the town was founded in 1827, it should have been years before Jubilee would even been something. However, Black Texans brought Juneteenth to California during the migrations where it became adopted as a practice.
Fifth, while there could be a small possibility that Emily could have been literate, the majority of slaves wouldn't have been able to read and write, especially if it was under a harsh slaver like the episode paints Christian A. Smith as. Also, even if she was literate, she wouldn't be able to maintain a diary like she had at that age due to not having the paper and ink to write anything, while also keeping her ability a secret from her master.
While it's to show how the Wizard has the cops in his pocket, he wouldn't have the authority to just put the kids in jail unless they were really rioting and doing something violent.
They also wouldn't be kept a month in jail that long as minors especially with the fact they were not violently protesting.
Also non-involved bystanders being arrested wouldn't have flown as well and would realistically get the police and the Wizard into legal trouble.
This also includes arresting cops like Sunset and Barry who weren't even doing anything, which would get the Wiz and the police into even more legal trouble even if he did have power.
In real life, Penny would have had her phone confiscated due to it being a personal item and considered contraband.
The show portrays the minor characters being held in the same jailcell as the adults, but in real life both minors and adults would be separated.
The main message is to talk about the truth but many facts surrounding the history of the town doesn't jell with actual history the state is supposed to take place in and regarding slavery.
The other message is focusing on white privilege and fragility, but Wizard Kelly, a black man, far outranked Barry for reasons that had nothing to do with white privilege. Thus one could say money and power superseded anything to do with race.
In an episode chastising the previously mentioned subject above, they endorse the book, White Fragility, which became controversial for stating that racism is a combination of prejudice and power and therefore black people can't be racist, which was seen by its detractors as promoting racial double standards.
Wow!! Thank you for all the thought and research that went into this comment!
@@Truffs_Stuff All of this is from Tv Tropes..
The answer to the wizard thing is...idiots immediately dismissing the opinions of a black person of said black person is a) rich and b ) contradicts their worldview
ok A+
@@KingOfMumbles485... You know when an animated show gets everything wrong on the first place, it's already become a serious problem when this show are for kids.
Trying to to tackle such critical issues in a children’s show while being fantastical and throwing in misinformation is an effective way of twisting the truth and manipulating an issue to nurturing racism.
It's really sad when this happens, and the message writers were likely trying to push gets completely flipped on its head.
Books are actively being censored across the US because on the other side, the narrative is that they're "trying to rewrite history" in a bad way, which is plenty of times untrue when it's rather just adding a marginalized voice to the overall narrative. People often misunderstand what things like "critical race theory" are as well.
...but this just serves as fodder to prove that whole "trying to rewrite history"/"indoctrinate people"/"sending the wrong messages" point, which sucks.
You know its even worse when you realize that black animators AND storyboarders working on both episodes heavily criticized the storyboard , its historical in accuracy and its own message, yet they got ignored.
The storyboard was confirmed by those workers to have been brought by their superiors not them, so like many stated it is a cash money grab episode on popular 'political' topics.
@@FoolMisinfo and on doing so it just stirs up animosity.
As it is the message was “there were cotton plantations with slaves in California and if history says otherwise it’s because it was covered up and if you disagree you’re a racist.”
@@LilyCelebiFlipnote Misunderstanding what CRT is? Like what?
@@Guciom Like what intersectionality (a key idea from CRT) means, which is basically just that black women have a unique experience from just being black and just being a woman alone. It's the concept that two groups can overlap and form new experiences in the center of that metaphorical Venn diagram, in simple terms. That different social groups have a relation to one another.
But some people see intersectionality as some new "woke" something-or-other buzzword (same with CRT itself) rather than just having a name for a social phenomenon that applies to everyone and has existed the whole time.
I've seen people, for example, interpret intersectionality to mean "we're creating new groups out of thin air simply to create minorities" and such.
(Sorry I can't name sources. They'd just be comments sections and such, and I honestly can't remember where I saw it. I believe it was probably sometime like a year ago, when I was in college.)
What ticked me off the most was the complete 180 Randall did to his white husband.
He is so proud of him then shaming him for doubting what he grew up believing.
Like I would consider divorce if it were me
Yeah like that seemed way out of character for Randall. It also felt like EVERYONE was dog-piling of poor Barry. Like Maya just literally threw all of this world-shattering info at Barry and just expected him to immediately accept it, as if learning that the man he grew up idolizing did such a heinous thing, and a man he's related to no less, isn't going to lead to the poor guy being in denial... and then Randal further twists the knife and blames his reaction on "White Fragility." Like some husband he is
i think if i was ignorant on a subject and my partner shoved a book at me instead of just talking to me like a human being, i would not want to deal with them anymore. where are randall's communication skills at???
@@jestphoenix Since Randall had the book, was familiar with it, and even accused Barry of being "on page 39," why hadn't Randall discussed the issue with Barry before?
@@rdkirk3834 Yeah, idk why he didn’t sit down and have an adult conversation with Barry. If it matters so much to Randall you would assume he would be passionate about discussing it with his partner.
@@seandewar47guess we know who is the real racist then
Remember kids, bullys will try to break you down emotionally to hurt you. White fragility is just a bullying tactic.
it really is stupid, from both angles... nobody should feel ASHAMED because of their ancestry... they should feel ashamed if they share the same "bad feelings" that tarnished their heritage, but people should ALL be lifted up, each and every one of us.
the problem is in people who ENTHUSIASTICALLY try to preserve the "shameful" parts of their heritage...
like people VIOLENTLY demanding to keep statues erected by the Klan...
I mean even with relatively recent things like the world wars I don't think anyone is going to hate Germany or Japan for it.
@@abigails4088 yeah my school does stuff like this like my teacher would try to sugar code bad things in history . like this one time we were in class and she was talking about slavery and a bunch on white kids kept making whip noises and laughing because they thought people getting totured was funny. look all im trying to say is most white people try to avoid talking about history and say " other people had slaves too" to cover their own shitty ancestory
how is it a bullying tactic
@justaturky2890 she just explained it? but going after something you can’t control like your race consistently like this show does is considered bullying and get this… racism!
If you lie to get a message across, it feels like you have no confidence in the message in the first place
Yes!!
TRUUUUUUU...!!! 😓Extremely tru.
What did they lie about
@@sylodui California having slaves, Abe Lincoln’s only idea for blacks was deportation, California being a plantation colony, California being part of the British Empire, that Abe never forcing the freed states to free slaves was a sign that he didn’t really care about slavery (it was actually because he didn’t want any more states joining the confederacy)
@@sylodui Truffs_Stuff explains in the videos, but a more in-depth detailing from another commenter:
"In her diary, Emily describes the celebration of Jubilee (precursor to Juneteenth) in 1827 when the first Jubilee celebrations actually happened in 1866 decades later than what she describes.
Despite its message on fighting revisionism being a good one, the episode gets a lot of facts wrong:
First, the town is supposed to take place in California, but it's founder who was supposed to have founded it almost 200 years ago is depicted as a New England type of man. This contradicts the fact that California would have historically been under Spanish rule and later under Mexico until 1848 where it ceded.
Second, while there were slaveowners who moved to California, during the Gold Rush, they weren't practicing plantation farming in the state itself like Christian A. Smith was depicted as doing, and California was heavily divided on the issue of slavery, with many people thinking that slaveowners bringing their slaves was an unfair advantage when it came to gold mining. And for that possibility to happen, it would have to take place two decades after the town was supposed to be founded, 1827. Also, while they were able to take slaves, they weren't able to maintain the practice due to there being no laws or enforcement to help them capture escaped slaves. As a result, many slaves did run away from their masters or became rich by finding gold and even bought freedom for themselves and their family. There was trading between slave holders in the state, and those who tried to capture escapees often found out the hard way that the courts ruled in favor of their victims. There is also the fact that they mentioned cotton as the crop grown on the Smith plantation which were introduced in California in the early 19th century, but the first attempts historically were by missionaries to provide clothing for the mostly naked Native Americans but proved to be unsuccessful at first due to the climate. As a result, they mostly imported their cotton rather than locally grow it until the 1840's (which happened way later than when the town was founded and Emily was enslaved) where it was established by settlers without any slave labor.
Third, the episode treats Lincoln as sticking to the idea of deporting slaves, when he actually abandoned the idea as he got to see slavery as more of a moral issue rather than political one. Also, while the border states were allowed to keep their slaves, it was so they wouldn't turn on them and join the Confederacy. Once the war was won, the 13th amendment abolished slavery across the whole US. In other words, it was a strategic maneuver to keep more states from rebelling. Lincoln didn't have the authority to just end slavery by himself via a proclamation. He could only do so in the Confederate states because they were actively rebelling and waging war. A permanent solution required Congress, which took more time and support.
Fourth, while Jubilee was celebrated, a non-slave state like California wouldn't have a reason to do so since it never had official black slavery widely practiced. And since the town was founded in 1827, it should have been years before Jubilee would even been something. However, Black Texans brought Juneteenth to California during the migrations where it became adopted as a practice.
Fifth, while there could be a small possibility that Emily could have been literate, the majority of slaves wouldn't have been able to read and write, especially if it was under a harsh slaver like the episode paints Christian A. Smith as. Also, even if she was literate, she wouldn't be able to maintain a diary like she had at that age due to not having the paper and ink to write anything, while also keeping her ability a secret from her master.
While it's to show how the Wizard has the cops in his pocket, he wouldn't have the authority to just put the kids in jail unless they were really rioting and doing something violent.
They also wouldn't be kept a month in jail that long as minors especially with the fact they were not violently protesting.
Also non-involved bystanders being arrested wouldn't have flown as well and would realistically get the police and the Wizard into legal trouble.
This also includes arresting cops like Sunset and Barry who weren't even doing anything, which would get the Wiz and the police into even more legal trouble even if he did have power.
In real life, Penny would have had her phone confiscated due to it being a personal item and considered contraband.
The show portrays the minor characters being held in the same jailcell as the adults, but in real life both minors and adults would be separated.
The main message is to talk about the truth but many facts surrounding the history of the town doesn't jell with actual history the state is supposed to take place in and regarding slavery.
The other message is focusing on white privilege and fragility, but Wizard Kelly, a black man, far outranked Barry for reasons that had nothing to do with white privilege. Thus one could say money and power superseded anything to do with race.
In an episode chastising the previously mentioned subject above, they endorse the book, White Fragility, which became controversial for stating that racism is a combination of prejudice and power and therefore black people can't be racist, which was seen by its detractors as promoting racial double standards."
What also gets me about this episode is how that gay guy was flat out trying to guilt trip his white partner with the white privilege stuff. Some love he has LOL. Barry needs to go off and find him someone else.
And he pins it all on Barry being white too 😵💫
On a side note, finding out something terrible your ancestors have done is difficult! Even finding out smaller scale (but still dire) stuff like your grandparent being a murderer, or rapists or adulterers in the family, etc etc... Of course your first reaction is going to be '...No...?'
@@Truffs_Stuff Something something five stages of grief.
@@Truffs_Stuff My great grandfather was in Wehrmacht, nobody should care because there's always some shit people did. Tho I see this more with countries "this country is bad because in past they did that"
I hated watching this show because it felt like it was attacking me for some reason. It gives fake history as well, especially during the “Slaves Built This Country” segment which was FULL of misinformation. They even screwed up the Autism episode as well, it was just distasteful. I believe the more we talk about racism around children, the more they’re gonna have that racism in their head and use it in the future, pitting all of us together. Disney really needs to freaking chill.
It's less an issue that they're talking about racism, and more that they're a) creating racial problems that aren't there, and b) encouraging racial conflict. There are many ways to bring this up that don't do either. So racial cohesion either isn't a goal of the writers or they're just too clumsy to understand how lmao
Wait they mishandled Autism too??
The problem with racists is that they can exist In any demographic and their teachings of ""antiracism"" just comes along as "It's OK to be racist to any other race but mine" instead of "all individuals of every demographic has the capacity for racism and we need to lessen that by being *actually* open minded and not self righteous"
@@estarriaofficial6463 yeah the ep where it turns out the little brother has autism
That’s because the show is attacking you because the people behind it are racist A**holes who think they won’t be called out
Why is it that shows like “Static Shock” and “Moon Girl” handle these issues so much better?
Because there not influenced by political sides as much
Because back then Tiktok, Twitter, UA-cam and other social medias didn't exist to make bad "hot takes" go viral through gullible misinformed teenagers and young adults. 🙃
@@arcyarcanine Yep
@@arcyarcanine moon girl is a newer show
@@arcyarcanineMoon Girl isn't from "back then", I'm pretty sure it came out like, last year
God this reboot is awful. These kids are so spoiled that they care about some long dead guy that has nothing to do with them
Sadly accurate to a lot of people these days and not just kids
Why should I mald over some dude who did fucked up shit who's been dead for 200 years, I got actual things to take care of in my day to day life
@@ghhn4505 Especially when considering people had way different morals at the time and can't be judged by todays standards
@@TranswealthyTrillionaireit's just with classic literature, nowadays I see a lot of people being like "why x isn't being punished?" or "why y is being rewarded for it?" and then making texts about how it should be fixed to be more "realistic" but never consider that those books/stories were realistic... on the time they were written because the world is constantly changing so what we believe today wasn't even thought about in the past... 🤦♀️
THATS WHAT IM SAYING???
ya a lot of issues are still issues modern day but they act like these people are still alive...like how fucking long ago bro? 12 B.C
fix now, not 2 billion yrs ago 🧐
yeah cause enslavers had nothing to do with enforcing the racism that is everywhere in America and the world to this day. This whole vid just reeks of 'racism doesn't exist, white straight men are the most oppressed people in society '
The ending when they renamed the town was so stupid. It is very difficult to rename a town. They somehow did it in less than a month? It is a long expensive process (literally, all signs on roads leading there must be redone, the crazy amount of paperwork, online things, and so much more have to get redone). Also what an odd thing to put at the end. The sad truth is a lot of towns/ cities are named after people who were slave owners. Also no offense but Emilyville does not sound good. "Oh, where are you from?" "Emilyville" "Where?" "Well, we had another name until about a month ago a fourteen year old said our founder was raciest so we renamed the town after his slave".
Yes. Also it destroys the people's identity with their city they were born. The only times cities have changed their names, it was mainly because many megalonian leaders decided to do it even despite it goes against the people (like Saint Petersburg changed to Stalingrad because of Stalin).
If it's for history, probably, most cities in the world should be destroyed, because they wet founded by people with an old mentality.
Yea it’s super complex for no reason
😅🤣and Emilyville sounds so corny too, they should have named it Jubilee City or something oml
Fun fact: this may be inspired by Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution. If you look up footage of the Red Guards in 1960s China, they were among other stuff running around ripping down street and shop signs they felt reflected foreign imperialism or the "old society" and replaced them with "revolutionary" names that often included a small attached sign with Communist quotes from...Mao himself. Like these girls, they also viciously attacked and shamed those who they felt reflected values of the "old society", to the point China's whole cultural foundation dating back thousands of years was nearly destroyed. All in the name of the new Communist ideology.
@thunderbird1921 well naturally people trained by communists will reflect their methods
What really bothered me the most about this episode was how they brought up Abraham Lincoln. They sounded like they despised him.
seriously. I bet there is more to Lincoln's early opinions on slavery and they took something that looks extremely unflattering out of context and presented it as it only opinion
he at first believe in deportation but since many Africans Americans were fighting it became clear that you can't tell a man to fight for his country and then tell him to move out
@@thomasdaywalt7735 Does your keyboard need to be fixed? Because there's a lot of errors in your comment.
Well I’m pretty sure that’s cuz even tho Lincoln did end slavery he only did it because of money reasons and he had slaves of his own aswell
@@lesliethomas9532exactly
The Proud Family was actually really good at tackling the hard issues in its previous incarnation.
Now it just feels really cringe and badly written whenever they tackle these issues. It’s not like talking about privilege or otherwise is a bad thing. But every time the Proud Family does it, it just feels forced and misguided. Like how are we supposed to for example see Zoey as the bad guy when the hot actor asks her out without her knowing his history and with the girls automatically assuming she believes in his preference choice without any investigation or evidence of their own?
Like the show that once had Penny, Sticky and Dijonay tail Oscar on a scooter when he went to see Deborah after dinner and did that heavy level of investigating can't even go investigate the guy in question before shutting Zoey out?
It just screams bad writing.
its why woke is racism in reverse and they well label as "white supremist" you just for speaking the truth
Thank you! It feels he was there to be a plot device.
And that the friends are bad.
I think the issue is they do not want to be discrete about it. I mean you could easily tell the themes even as a kid, but it was not in your face, shove down your throat. It was a fun episode that slowly made you think more and more about it the more you thought about the episode. Now they want it so as soon as the episode ends you go and talk about it online. Twilight Zone was very good about talking about deep issues that once you had time to process the episode you went "Oh". A lot of shows now are about shoving it in your face. I think they think people will not finger it out unless spoon fed to them.
@bloodmooncomics2249 what's sad is, you're absolutely right. I'm a hobbyist writer and I watch a lot of writing channels. One of the top things audiences always hate, according to every channel I've watched, is being lectured to. Audiences will pick up on themes, but they find it off-putting when it's directly stated. Why I say that's sad is because the professionals who wrote this show should understand this...they're either that bad at their jobs, or else they think race issues are somehow an exception.
I feel like a lot of people don't seem to realize that othering people is what makes them grow resentful. I'm not black nor do I have any personal experience with race issues specifically, but I'll talk about something that I do have experience with.
When I was a thespian, our troupe was mainly people who were LGBT. I refused to go by any specific labels and was uncomfortable with them constantly poking and prodding me to define myself to them, but that's not the point. The point is that there was like... ONE straight guy in the entire group. And everyone would always isolate or target him because of it. And like, seeing that happen from the point of view of someone who wasnt involved in the community nor identified as straight, I couldn't help but just feel really bad for the guy. He's not homophobic, and he never was, but damn I almost wouldn't have blamed him had he began to feel some resentment towards these people, his FRIENDS, who treated him this way because they felt oppressed by the group he just so happened to belonged to. He was being punished for things he never did.
Exactly! It's that one meme with the dude being roughly shoved over a boundary 😅
Same here - went a lifetime without LGBT labels being a big deal, then suddenly in the late 00s/early 2010s, traits I had never put much thought to became this suffocatingly huge deal I *had* to define to separate myself from 'the others'¿
I think you're right! Stuff like this is a big part of why all identity issues in the West become such poison in public discourse; it really doesn't have to be 'us' and 'others', but so many seem to insist that it does.
@jamesolszewski3782 Your point of christians chastizing everyone who isn't religious is spot on. Neither me and my mom are religious, and we live in a very religious, conservative town. A couple of years ago, my mom was on her bike to the opening of the shop she was hired for. She got hit by a car, the woman was texting and driving. My mom lost her job and was crippled for life, whilst the woman's husband (as she was barely involved), played the lawsuit as dirty as possible and we barely got 3K.
Guess why the woman herself was barely involved with the lawsuit, and why they played it as dirty as possible? Because they were highly religious and considered a car insurance to go against the Bible. The things they said, including in the Whatsapp messages my mom and her husband exchanged over the lawsuit, pretty much seemed to imply they thought God punished my mother, and that it was all her fault, because she was a sinner. Not his wife for texting behind the wheel, no! I seldomly hate people, but that couple has a place in my mind where they will eternally burn in a hellfire of my mental creation.
They were the final drop in the bucket for me, to hate the Church.
Jesus Christ, I'm not surprised by your feelings about faith at all after all this shit! I'd probably stop believing after something like that myself! Fuming just reading this. I hope your mom has the best possible life moving forward 💛
@@inferiorinferno8859 People are always looking for excuses for their bad behavior :(
@@inferiorinferno8859thank God I'm Muslim
The sad part is that this episode shares a similar premise to "Lisa The Iconoclast" from The Simpsons and that episode that aired like more than 20 years ago is better developed and has a better plot and execution than this show. Because in that episode, Lisa finds a dark secret regarding Jebediah Springfield, the city's founder and wants to show it to everybody, but after learning how this day means for everybody and how the morale of the citizens is high thanks to him, she decides to not reveal the secret, because she doesn't want to ruin this day for the citizens.
The town is also named after him and is core part of the towns historical identity
to be fair, if you found out your town 'adolfland' was actually founded by hitler himself, and the population now had Jewish/gay/disabled/Romani/Polish/French/etc/etc residents, I think it's reasonable for them to want to change the name of the town rather than live in his memory. However if it's just some centuries old unsettled debate surrounding whether the founder did some shady stuff during war time? Meh best 'let it lie'
It honestly feels like the whole concept of 'white fragility' can be thought of as this: if one person acts hostile towards another person and that second person acts defensively to that hostility, if the second person is white and the first person is of a different skin color, then the onus of the conflict is on the second person for acting defensively.
It’s more like when someone is made so uncomfortable by a conversation about race that they disengage from/shut down the conversation and actively avoids the opportunity to make things better going forward.
@@catherga
In other words, "Sit down, shut up, and take your beating because you know you deserve it."
@@anneoneal3865 Oh no, it’s “It’s okay to be uncomfortable about race, but it’s not okay to use that discomfort as an excuse to avoid acknowledging or fixing the problems caused by race”
To put it simply: “You can either prioritize your feelings and solve nothing, or prioritize justice and be part of the solution. You can’t have both”
@@catherga
Punishing total strangers for atrocities occuring decades or centuries ago is not "acknowledging and fixing" anything.
It's not about justice, but vengeance.
Alot of the problems with this episode is not only the overt political messaging they're pushing via "White Fragility", but akso that they take major historical liberties in order to do so. Some historical inaccuracies that people have noticed the episode pushing the following;
*First,* the town is supposed to take place in California, but it's founder who was supposed to have founded it almost 200 years ago is depicted as a New England type of man. This contradicts the fact that California would have historically been under Spanish rule and later under Mexico until 1848 where it ceded.
*Second,* while there were slaveowners who moved to California, during the Gold Rush, they weren't practicing plantation farming in the state itself like Christian A. Smith was depicted as doing, and California was heavily divided on the issue of slavery, with many people thinking that slaveowners bringing their slaves was an unfair advantage when it came to gold mining. And for that possibility to happen, it would have to take place two decades after the town was supposed to be founded, 1827. Also, while they were able to take slaves, they weren't able to maintain the practice due to there being no laws or enforcement to help them capture escaped slaves. As a result, many slaves did run away from their masters or became rich by finding gold and even bought freedom for themselves and their family. There was trading between slave holders in the state, and those who tried to capture escapees often found out the hard way that the courts ruled in favor of their victims.
There is also the fact that they mentioned cotton as the crop grown on the Smith plantation which were introduced in California in the early 19th century, but the first attempts historically were by missionaries to provide clothing for the mostly naked Native Americans but proved to be unsuccessful at first due to the climate. As a result, they mostly imported their cotton rather than locally grow it until the 1840's (which happened way later than when the town was founded and Emily was enslaved) where it was established by settlers without any slave labor.
*Third,* the episode treats Lincoln as sticking to the idea of deporting slaves, when he actually abandoned the idea as he got to see slavery as more of a moral issue rather than political one. Also, while the border states were allowed to keep their slaves, it was so they wouldn't turn on them and join the Confederacy. Once the war was won, the 13th amendment abolished slavery across the whole US. In other words, it was a strategic maneuver to keep more states from rebelling. Lincoln didn't have the authority to just end slavery by himself via a proclamation. He could only do so in the Confederate states because they were actively rebelling and waging war. A permanent solution required Congress, which took more time and support.
*Fourth,* while Jubilee was celebrated, a non-slave state like California wouldn't have a reason to do so since it never had official black slavery widely practiced. And since the town was founded in 1827, it should have been years before Jubilee would even been something. However, Black Texans brought Juneteenth to California during the migrations where it became adopted as a practice.
*Fifth,* while there could be a small possibility that Emily could have been literate, the majority of slaves wouldn't have been able to read and write, especially if it was under a harsh slaver like the episode paints Christian A. Smith as. Also, even if she was literate, she wouldn't be able to maintain a diary like she had at that age due to not having the paper and ink to write anything, while also keeping her ability a secret from her master.
This comment is way too underrated for the amount of knowledge and effort clearly put into it.
Can we also talk about the slave owner’s name is Christian, as a broad brush caricature of an entire religion that has denominations that were highly devoted to ending slavery? So sick of the “white Christian back then were racist.” Many of them were, but this ignores those who weren’t as well as black Christians whose faith IS the reason they opposed slavery.
so what you are telling me is, they could have given the black girl a way more interesting backstory, than poor little slave girl, while showing an not widely known historical situation.
I have my ideological differences with the show, but what bothers me more is the way Barry's family treats him. When he doesn't immediately accept the defamation of his ancestors who he's proud of, they all forget he's their father/husband who they love. It's one thing to be dismissive of white men in general, but it's really messed up when even the ones in your family can't get any grace from you.
Yeah like he became their enemy. When he didnt do anything.
Well, they had a documented biography of a slave girl the founder owned so denying that is inherently bad to me it's no different when you have family members alive doing bad and the rest defend them saying they are good people because they're good.
I think it was more disappointment because you expect your dad/partner to understand when you have literally proof of said information.
@@tristancarter4324 I could explain how the whole situation is so bizarre that some skepticism toward the evidence is warranted, but Maya and Randy are not concerned with Barry’s denial of evidence. I know this because neither of them try to make Barry face the evidence. If they went over the evidence at all, we are not shown this. We only see Maya mention the diary once before she gets mad and leaves. She is apparently triggered by Barry using the phrase “my people.” When Barry looks to Randy for understanding, Randy just says he doesn’t understand “white fragility.” He doesn’t explain to Barry why he’s wrong, he just tells him he’s being defensive and then throws a book at him. These reactions tell me they’re angry at Barry for defending his family’s honor, or for wanting to see his family as honorable. They don’t think he has the right to defend his “people.” When he’s told that his ancestors who he’s proud of did terrible things, he’s supposed to just accept it. That is an unfair and unkind attitude to have toward anyone, especially your husband.
@jonathandunston6816 well it's because you're expected to just hate white people, especially men and Christians. Literally making the bad guy "Christian Smith" is pretty on the nose
@@christophercrafte
Then they get mad at him when he was genuinely confused
What bothered me the most in this episode was that the children decided to hide their discovery and keep important information about the city's history to themselves instead of contacting the authorities or to researchers. Even their teacher didn't help the children to contact the people for whom their discovery is important. This is what not to do when you find a fascinating and important old historical artifact, especially if it has an impact on how we write history today. I was taught that if you find something that can change history, never ever hide it and keep it private because its information is very valuable and important.
A diary like that would have been leaped on by historians. They would have been glad to run with that ball.
Good Video. Unfortunately you forgot one part of fact in the video. The Proud Family is set in the U.S. state of California. Which had already outlawed Slavery in 1850. Meaning that if Christain A. Smith did own slaves in 1862, he would have been a criminal, which in turn would have led to him being arrested and jailed. Not forgetting that the first Junetenth was celebrated in 1866. Four Years after Emily's diary was written.
Once someone in America called me a slave owner even though I am from Russia and of a family of fishermen.
Maybe they were talking about the fishes 😂
@@larrytherustyboii7442LMAO
It's so sad how every cult classic cartoon gets a shitty reboot/revival.
Add it to the list.
Only one that I know that didn’t have a shitty reboot was ducktales,but thats pretty much what I know
Um the show takes place in California, a “free state” it fought for the Union. So no geographic it wouldn’t make sense. If the founder had slaves it would be illegal.
While I think this was probably a writer oversight if we're being honest, there were actually around 2000 slaves in California in the 1850s- that being, about 2% of the population at the time. California had only became a state in the 1850s to begin with and before then a lot of people came over with their slaves- and even after slavery was "abolished" many openly retained slaves.
Not so fun fact; the native population was also enslaved in mass. There was about 20,000 natives sentenced to forced labor, including about 7,000 children. This, alongside the infamous boarding programs and bounties for dead natives, was one of the many pieces of the genocide of the native population that reduced it's size from somewhere around 130,000 people in 1850 to as little as 16,000 in 1900.
@@user-gp5yz5yz4x so this wasn't a "black story" it was a natives American story which episode worse
@@MrSophire Hmm, I mean there are plenty of black stories in California, there was an entire period where the state tried to run the entire black population out.
But this in particular would've been more suited for a Native Californian, I agree, which is sort of ironic isn't it?
@@user-gp5yz5yz4x Yes, we need to be more truthful about things. Reading history makes one thing, clear no one has clean hands. In order to truly heal we need to realize that and stop pointing fingers and have a oppressions Olympics.
Technically speaking anyone who had slaves after the Civil War and the 13th amendment passed did so illegally. But it still happened, which is why Juneteenth is a holiday. It celebrates how the last slaves in Texas literally learned they were free 2 years after the fact. The founder could have had slaves, and the town would understandably be a little ashamed of the fact that he tried to hold on to them, hence the coverup.
Tecnically The Proud Family: Louder and Prouder looks like made by the creators of South Park. Really "White Fragility" thing looks like a joke made in South Park.
Except South Park wouldn't take itself seriously about this.
God, what have they done to this show? I remember watching the original show when I was a kid and it was one of my favorites. I loved the family dynamics and learning about different things like when they had the ramadan episode and I think they had a kwanzaa episode too. And the movie with the peanut guys was hilarious. And I loved the friend group penny had with all kinds of people of different races and cultures.
Now? Oh boy. This show just seems so mean spirited. Penny went from a responsible, smart young lady to just angry and nasty all the time. Same for her friends who just seem like they hate each other. The show is just angry preaching at the audience. . .what the hell happened?
cope
@@Soopahperry111 Translation: We mangled your beloved franchise, so eat our shittier versions of something you once cherished
@@Soopahperry111Shut up this person has a point you idiots need to STOP SAYING THAT!!!
@Soopahperry111
I'm sorry your dad left you when you were 5 lol 💀
Indeed
The Cringe Family
The Shameful Family.
The disappointment family
It makes me miss the old version of the show
I hear that!
The Anti-White Family
3:40 then why'd he marry a white guy in the first place?
When I saw this clip, I'm like "is this supposed to be a joke, or are they this stupid?"
Good review. I don’t agree with the “US centrism” criticism at around 10:00. The character is an American girl speaking to an American town in an American show. It’s perfectly fine to make statements that aren’t always “global” in scope without caveating every detail.
This series is literally abysmal and handles everything wrong. The original was WAY better
Agreed
@Natalie66796 nice pfp, did you make it?
@@longiusaescius2537 I wish haha. No, I used a Picrew to make it. I wish I had drawing skills like that.
@@Natalie66796 ah, well it's still very good I think you have a good eye for this stuff. Have you thought about just starting small in sketching?
Back then, this show was about family and being together. now, it might as well be about dividing.
The song Slaves Built This Country is already going down in infamy for cringe, let alone all the misinformation. I've seen so many videos of historians talking about the song and all the stuff that isn't true.
That’s what wokeness is all about. They feel they want to make the minorities more superior than the rest of society. It’s a type of discrimination, but with an Uno reverse card directed towards us. Two wrongs don’t make a right, discrimination against those who discriminated us does NOT solve anything. At all. It’s basically just propaganda that tries to paint a generalized picture that all white people are bad, which ironically is racist. There’s even a racial slur against white people, which is even sadder.
Somehow the lady put in the thumbnail looks like a discount Star Butterfly.
After she committed gen*cide across the multi-verse
Howwww
You say that as if star was a good character to begin with
w h a t.
@@jcarter6213 But they never said that tho 😐
While slavery and black history hasn't been taken out of the American education system, there are some states that GREATLY downplay what slaves endured. Some text books twist it to sound like slaves were just underpaid workers that didn't have their families torn apart, put for sale, or physically assaulted.
However I agree with everything else you said in your video and this episode could've been way more impactful.
That's the narrative that a lot of left wing media twist it as. But when you actually look up close they do tell history but not the CRT terms.
Also, students only have so much time in the day to learn so a lot of subjects have to be cliff noted so they can make it through the year with "the essentials". If it's something that's really important to the student in question, they can do independent study on it. Kids carry around computers in their pockets nowadays. If the school days were structured differently, they could probably dive deeper on these important topics
Yeah this was the only part I did disagree with while it isn’t completely erased it is very downplayed and some people even try to re-contextualize it to make it seem like slaves enjoyed it or chose to be enslaved.
While that isn’t as prevalent of an idea as it used to be it is still very much around. Also in areas were people are secluded and can’t use the internet to learn, people can truly believe such things easily.
I also didn’t have a problem with pointing out the fact the one dad couldn’t believe “his people” had done this. I think that is something that anyone of any race could think and really shouldn’t think. So I don’t have a problem with pointing out that way of thought being an issue. I wish they would talk about how white peoples aren’t the only people who go through that but that’s for another time I guess.
Also side note he should have said “my family” or “my ancestors” not many white people use “my people” and especially not in that context.
Pro victims...keep crying
If the city was founded in 1827, the founder would have been born in the Viceroyalty of New Spain, no way an American would be in California owning a town in 1827.
The white privilege line sounds like a joke you would hear in a satire like the boondocks
Man this episode in my opinion was freaking worst in how it deals with subject matter like this. Frankly the creators and of course, the writers which they feel more like Woke/SJW activists than actual good writers, took all the BLM movement and tried make it fun for kids which just doesn't work. The Proud Family reboot really just falters in trying to be well progressive but takes it the wrong way.
Old Proud family is the best I watched a lot and I really enjoy it this new is a shit best part no one cares about this series anymore it shows how bad and pathetic it has become .. everything these sjw monkeys touch ends up in the bin ..And slaves did not build america ! Everyone build america ! Italians, germans, english folks, latins, blacks, Slavs etc!
It makes me miss the old show where it wasn't like this
@@skystoyhunts7225 While the old show did have its issues and a couple of its episodes did not aged well, but yeah the old show had way more charm and much more fun and nuanced than whatever this reboot tried to be.
I feel like it could've been a thing covered metaphorically. Content geared toward kids tends to get more and more metaphorical as you get younger and younger target audiences. This needed to not spit "white privilege," "white fragility," and then a bunch of misinformation in your face -- but this could've been avoided with a metaphorical, idea-based story that didn't leave so much room for error with the history (and direct friggin endorsement of a real book...).
Maybe a focus on the mystery being solved with the ghost, Emily? Maybe more moments of connection where, "Oh, we're not so different in the modern day -- I thought you were just another student, just like me..." conveying a metaphorical similarity between characters centuries apart, backhandedly saying how slavery still has its effects reach into the current generation's society and culture? Maybe even a focus on those crafted "villains," but make them more well-written and not just randomly lashing out for no reason?
Anything but direct endorsements, direct insertions of facts (or "facts" -- a lot of inaccuracies according to other comments), and literally spitting political buzzwords in people's faces. Needs subtlety, tact, and metaphors....
@@LilyCelebiFlipnote now thats a good story idea right there.
Another thing that pisses me off in this episode is in addition to bashing Lincoln (such as not explaining that he only considered deporting the slaves because he thought blacks and whites wouldn’t get along after slavery ended, that he didn’t abolish slavery in border states in order to prevent them from joining the confederacy, and that the emancipation proclamation took time in order to go in full effect.)
There is a ton of historical inaccuracies in it.
How can the town be founded in 1827 if it was still part of Mexico at the time?
why does Barry's white bf look like john cena
You can see his boyfriend?
I think it was this episode that really solidified how mean spirited the Louder and Prouder series is. What a damn shame
The Simpsons did this formula better, and without the need to try and relate with modern political views. The episode where Jedediah Springfield us exposed to be a pirate was 10x better than this garbage.
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What’s up with the teacher not believing Maya to be related to a white person or her dad being related to a white person.
Does the teacher not think interracial couples don’t exist or happen.
Plus Dionaye didn’t have to tell the teacher that Maya was adopted. She could of said “ Maya’s dad Barry is the decent of blah blah)
Unless this teacher had a relationship that ended with her partner breaking up with her to date someone not the same race as her.
Also I'm pretty sure there were kids of slaves born out of actual SA, so there's that too.
Okay, I couldnt have been the only one who cringe at the name "Emily-ville" 💀😅🤣 it probably should have been named "Jubilee City"
I loved this show but I never caught this episode. I love the idea that Emily’s ghost lead her to finding her diary. But yeah, I’m glad I didn’t see this when I was a kid because I don’t know if I’d have understood it without the proper context.
This is the reboot, not the original. You wouldn't have seen it as a kid anyway. It's sad though that there are kids who are gonna take this episode the wrong way.
Maya is the definition of a young Karen.
Facts 👌
This
“Do something with your white privilege!” I can’t believe that’s a real line in a freaking kid’s show. 🤦♂️
Oh, this ain't no kids show (at least not anymore)
robin diangelo a white (hispanic) woman saying shes uncomfortable around black people and saying its something in common with all white people is funny to me
These people just can't help but tell on themselves 😭
I thought Wizard Kelly was the founder lol
Wait, the show is magic, now? I thought it was just a slice-of-life show that took cues from older, wackier cartoons.
The show's always been magic. Al Roker was a literal demon (or at the very least, an evil genie) even in the old one.
It's one thing to replace the statue of the plantation owner with a statue of the heroic slave, but simultaneously changing the town's name goes too far -- especially since glossing over history heals NOTHING.
Ironic given that that was supposedly the point they were trying to make. Just another "it's okay when WE do it" moment.
@@stevenhiggins3055 I personally would have suggested placing a comparatively tiny statue of Christian in the shadow of Emily's statue.
To quote George Orwell, “Who controls the past, controls the future.”
I haven't watched the full episode yet but I remember seeing clips of it and being floored by the idea that a kids show was tackling this. On Disney.
I just feel terrible that so many people will see it as "white people bad" instead of "opression and erasure of black history bad" and never take the lesson to heart. While the colorism episode was handled less than ideally, I feel this one actually did and said what it needed to. Granted, in a very heavy handed way and comes off as someone on the team talking through the characters.
You were floored? Disney has been going all in on identity politics with the subtly of a hammer for years now.
If they didn't want the episode to be "White people bad" they shouldn't have harped on about "White Fragility" a hundred times, and they definitely shouldn't have pretended theres a big government conspiracy to hide Black history. Insane.
I mean this isn't really the first they talked about racism, they did it in the original show. When Penny got knocked out and was sent back to the '50s
@@ivygirl9119 I'm talking more specifically about this version of the show, and even that was pretty tame compared to this.
@@personwholovesailorm yea tho
Doesn't help that the show isn't always the best when tackling topics like racism.
As someone of Polish heritage my people were once called 'The White Negro's of Europe' by the first Haitian head of state. Does this mean I can partake in the race victimization despite being white and slavic?
Honestly this new Proud Family show is too toxic and hateful for me to enjoy at times
I really like your video, you gave a good criticism and you dealt the subjects really good :D
Awww thank you!! Thanks for watching 😄
I never understand why people are so worked up at the fact there was slavery in the US. They act as if it was the only country in the world that ever did it. Yet I don't see them getting worked up about Egypt enslaving the Hebrews.
Disney, who made this show and this episode, or at least put it on air and all, filmed Mulan next to and with the support of a Muslim concentration camp in China.
American culture. They love to act as the world police
Slavery still exists today... Trafficking is a huge problem in the US we don't talk about.
@@emilywenig4390 Also the US prison system as well, I'm pretty sure.
EDIT: Also several Middle Eastern countries (I recall it being most spoken about when the Qatar World Cup was going on), though I don't think such a case is specifically chattel slavery.
@ArbitraryOutcone the us prison system is a revolving door
Isn't the whole ''mysterious character who guides the protagonist and turns out to be a ghost'' twist usually best saved for the END of stories like this?
I'm in the same boat as several commenters here when they say the new show makes them uncomfortable. Combined with misinformation, the idea that a white person is "bad" for being white certainly doesn't help in the slightest, instead promoting racism rather than helping educate people on why it's wrong.
One of the worst excuses I've seen people give is "Well, white people have enjoyed privilege and oppressing others, let others have a turn." As if the solution to oppression is MORE oppression. All this does is encourage MORE racism from everyone.
Plenty of white folks will use this as fuel to grow more racist or become racist, black people will use said white folk to excuse their own and the list goes on.
It's just going to start an infinite cycle that'll cause people to hate each other more and more.
So true💯👍🏻
The Ghost and Molly McGee handles some of these same kinds of topics though not as overtly and sometimes with a bit too much optimism, you should consider reviewing their takes sometime.
I loved the message behind the episode on being 'Thai enough'!
i feel like this whole show ignores any other from of slavery and only points out to white on black
Yeah because guess what America wasn’t the first or only country that practiced slavery. Slavery was practiced throughout human history all the way to the Egyptians and Romans and even before those.
@@EthanIlchert Those are not American history, though. Guess what...an American history course doesn't cover the French Revolution either.
Also this show takes place in California. Which didnt have Junebliee in its history. Also it was run by the spainsh then later mexican rule.
Hmmm.... I have no political affiliation to any party, but I noticed something that seems to be a subtle attempt to rewrite the facts of a certain historical event. The map in the classroom, which I assume is showing which sides were for and against slavery, has the confederates as red (color of republicans), which the Union is blue (color of democrates). However, historically it was the Republicans who were opposed to slavery, while the confederates are what would eventually become the democratic party. Abe Lincon was in fact our first Republican President.
That's some pretty sneak political subterfuge there.
@schorltourmaline4521 they're a uniparty now
Funny, huh?
He wasnt even being that defensive about his family's history if anything he was just in denial as anyone would be if they found out their family did a ton of fucked up shit in the past i mean he seems like a nice enough guy so he probably had a pretty or relatively supportive family so it not surprising that hed be in denial and find it hard to believe that theyd be that cruel at some point in the past
And I have to add this in, isn’t the town they are in California where slavery was very much illegal.
Maybe former
Well that like Spanish colonialists enslaving natives
This episode isnt even accruate historically because the show takes place in California which never had slavery.
If you are black and annoyed that people judge based on nothing other than your race then you are correct for being upset, but if you are white then you need to accept people judging you for your race or else your are fragile.
Yeah, totally hate it when people get offended for being judged and being categorized based solely off their race🤮 like are you a Nazi or something??
I hate the double standard.
Oh great, a racist.
Whenever i feel like a failure, i feel stupid, i feel bad, or anything like that. I will always remember the "Do something with yo white privilege" moment. And think than not only does that moment exist, but also than it had to be scripted, pitched, voice acted, storyboarded, and animated.
honestly, as a white person, people would shame me and call me a "racist" because of my skin color..I DONT THINK IM BETTER THAN ANYONE BECAUSE IM WHITE 😭😭 I believe we are all equal humans. no one is better than the other.
Honestly, when I heard about this episode, I was like “who taught the slave to write/read”
it wasn't THAT RARE... but for her age and whatnot, I can't actually see her being able to READ, WRITE, AND OWN A DIARY... without someone knowing.
if she was a "mistress" that he kept for fun, I could see her learning how to READ for posterity sake but not write. To learn and establish legible penmanship takes time too... she's supposed to be a young adult, yeah? high school age?
@@abigails4088 see, that’s the thing that makes me think they focused on the wrong points to make.
Like you said, it’s not like it was IMPOSSIBLE, but it was something that would have been punished, and I don’t see that journal surviving in any of those situations. Add to that the fact that said journal was RIGHT where the frikking statue was? It’s unanswered here, cause they focused more on black dad going “USE YOUR MAGICAL HONKEY POWERS!” to white dad after shitting on him over the white guilt thing.
And yes, the way he says it SOUNDS just as forced, dumb, and cringeworthy as my little paraphrasing there.
I also have issue with why they pretty much forced Wizard Kelly to stop having the town named after HIM just to even initiate this whole plot.
Man, Sticky had the right idea to get the fuck away from garlic-headed Dijonay…
Fair question! A surprising chunk (though we're talking like less than 10%) could read and write by 1862, and how they learned probably varies wildly. Self-taught against all odds, education from missionaries, slave owners teaching them themselves, etc etc. As varied as the circumstances the slaves lived in!
@@abigails4088Never thought of that tbh. I mean there's a chance she could read and write but had to keep it a secret(maybe)?🤷
Yeah. Some got their fingers chopped off for that.
best character is shrimp 100%
Look hard enough into anyone's family tree you're going to find some messed up stuff. I have a Native chief who offed an opposing tribe in the 1800's. In the 1600's I have a slave trader. In the 1000's there's a crusader who killed multiple POW's. Your ethnicity doesn't matter; you have some absolute monsters in your family tree. You do not have to apologize for their actions. You can only apologize for choices you've made. The best thing you can do is to be truthful about their actions without spinning false narratives that turn them into Disney heroes or villains.
Im a white history teacher in training, and I have a lot of thoughts on this episode.
1. If Maya’s claims were true, historians and archaeologists would be *extremely* interested. Emily’s diary in particular would be considered a massive historical find, and Maya would probably even get requests from major universities and museums asking for permission to examine that diary, since written, legible, and detailed first-hand Black accounts in the early to late 1800’s are very rare, even more so from a formally enslaved individual.
2. The conspiracy to cover up the towns founder is interesting, but it is never explored or looked at. This stuff actually happens a decent bit, where more negative perspectives on historical individuals are, if not covered up, then at least sugar coated and glossed over. Stapleton, Colorado, for example, was named after a Mayor of Denver, who was actually a Klansman and notable racist, but it took nearly 100 years for the town to change its name.
3. The ‘white privilege’ and ‘white fragility’ honestly hurts the episode more than anything. I think discussion over historical revisionism and its upsides and downsides is an interesting and complicated enough subject.
4. I would have liked it more if the protest took on a tone similar to the Charleston protests, where the town agrees to remove the statute and change the name, but then are confronted by others (who don’t even live in the town) who proclaim that she’s ’erasing history’ and saying stuff like ‘Should we rename Washington DC because he held slaves?’.
I think the episode tried to tackle to many things at once, when it really should have focused in hard on one plot point, the naming of the town and the protest(s) over its founder.
This show is on the same tier as Velma 💀
I must admit Vilma is worse, but this is still bad
3:34 "I just know my people wouldn't have done anything like this." You can hear the writers holding the fictional character down and forcing him to say that bs. Who, I ask, WHO WOULD SAY THAT?
As an American I’d be more surprised If a founder of any town didn’t have slaves.
This comment section is a mess wtf
I agree
This was one of my favorite cartoons as a kid. And now, I don't think I can look at it the same way again.
I don't have much to add here, but I do want to point out that the big cover-up conspiracy helped patch the obvious plot hole in the entire premise, i.e., "How come we've gone two separate series and four seasons total of NOBODY knowing about this?". It was silly, yeah, but I think the fanbase would also have come for them with that exact question. "WHY IS THIS ONLY COMING UP NOW, THEY'VE LIVED IN THIS TOWN FOR GENERATIONS AND TWO SERIES" and the like. I can't speak from a perspective with intimate knowledge of the race relations aspect; all I know is that the cover-up helped explain for me why Smith being a slave owner wasn't just...common knowledge at the beginning of the episode
I honor my town founder anytime. He was a proud German who was for all people. He was an anti-slavery immigrant in a slave state. He's my hero.
5:40 I do understand the comment about how there's no way it was possible you were related to the founder, people will randomly make passive-aggressive remarks like that when you say something, even if it's true. It is a way for people to take control of the situation and downplay whatever statement you said. I do not agree with how they portrayed the dad though as he was just in the dark as the rest of the town not like he was super in denial. We experience grief for numerous things, not just the loss of life, and grieving your familial history is one of those things which explains any denial he may have had. But as stated in the video, some of the ways it was portrayed in the episode were "just plain wrong".
Where I feel where it fell apart with maya character development when she told Zoe something about her skin and it seemed all of maya development went out the window
Wait, isn't the Proud Family in California? Did California have slavery?
California doesn’t have a slave state
Wait you’re right
@captainabefox1615 I am just confused of why The Proud Family covered slavery when California wasn't a slave state. Maybe it's like West Virginia, they had slavery despite not being a slave state and being on the Union's side.
It's funny how the original handled racism better than the reboot
Oh. They ruined the show. Should have never brought it back. Let IP's die gracefully, instead of dragging the dead horse through the mud then beating it.
This is not the Proud Family. This has become the Insecure Family.
As a white guy, I can't help but feel... attacked by that show. Why should I suffer for things that I had absolutely nothing to do with? In fact, I'm descended from conductors on the Underground Railroad. I'm white, sorry I was BORN that way!
I am just so sick and tired of the sanctimony. People acting like slavery ended just yesterday and the wounds of their ancestors demanding recompense from people that had nothing to do with it. It all just feels manipulative to me.
The part where she screamed "use your white privilege" was the part where is really went down hill for me.
My problem when it comes to these topics is when people who have light skin color have to be blamed for what other people had done years ago that have nothing to do with the day society. Sure there's a lot we still have to improve, but look how far we've come. It's kind of a bittersweet situation nowadays.
I think if they took out the white fragility out in place of Maya and Berry fighting while Randle played middle man it would work.
Maya learns that besmerchimg a family member who is beloved, even though they a bad one, is a tough pill to swallow all of a sudden. Maybe the brother reminds Maya that she leaned to defend her family from her police Father.
Berry learns to value the family he has in the present rather than the legacies of the past, and both reconcile over their love for each other.
Fun fact: Slaves did not build this country.
It really does bug me how this episode could have been so much more interesting if we take the stuff about “white fragility” and protesting stuff out of there. But at least it’s better than the colorism episode.... like omg it was full of hate and not fun to watch 😖
Have the writers even read the White Fragility book? Because I have. All it has to offer are generalizations and stereotypes (talking about groups of people like they're a hivemind and not individuals), a strong support for segregation, and race guilt written by a white woman.
Yep! Just like Fanon, Said, Sartre - the legacy of Western idiot savants who grandstand by self-flagellating is unfortunately long. It's been in the works since the Enlightenment period, and it's ironically an actual bigoted mindset (e.g. Fanon's now-popular idea that to be interested in another culture as a Westerner is racist and all cultures should be separate - ignoring how he does this himself in his own writing?? Man I could go on all day 😭)
7:34
I find very weird how, in some characters, their hair is drawn in an artstyle completely different of the rest of their bodies, like this one in 1st plan and the one with pink hair in the background. It makes me feel like their hairs are actually wigs.
Honestly when I saw this episode I was like "Mate, IT'S IN THE DAMN PAST"
I frustrated with the way dinsey handling shows like the proud family reboot.
Because when they do a topic about racism and history i compare it the original proud family i have a dream. They showed that anybody can have views or say stuff that could be rascit and importance of knowing the past.
Another great episode where penny trade place with a family with beliefs and costum slimar to the Muslim people see how they are smailr to her family and see that a person had wrote on their home go back to your country america is for Americans. Penny did do a speech about what she saw but look up the episode its more impactful coming from her
I don't know why but I find the line "do something with yo white privilege" fucking hilarious
I was a full grown adult when I learned about Juneteenth. I was not taught about it In school.
There's alot of holes in that episode considering the fact that they live in Cali... Also the dates they have apparently are on all kinds of levels of jacked up.