@@CamStubbs you’re right, what’s the point of pretending to be okay and bothering to re adjust our comfort-zone lives? Because we deserve a good life and we have suffered enough. Why prolong the misery when it’s in our control to change it? It’s a matter of a perspective believe me
This sure hits the mark, describes my situation very well. It's mountains beyond mountains but every ridge one climbs improves the view a bit more. Those who are certain they have no need to improve themselves are the most hopeless.
I think your nuanced dialogue around bed rotting is quite valuable and I am so sorry a bunch of incredibly rude and unkind people chose verbal abuse to express they disagreed with your opinion. Thank you for still making such informative and well thought out videos in spite of the sometimes cruel nature of social media! We can all disagree on something and still be respectful.
What got me was that so many acted as if it were a personal attack on them and you were forcing your opinion on them. Reading "Leave me alone!" in the comment section made my brain stall out and go into a tailspin trying to understand how anyone could type that.
@@leonievh1223 activity is a good temporary purpose that can and will help you from sinking into a worse depression ^-^ you’ve got the right idea for sure, but don’t fall into the trap of overworking yourself to counter depression :) balance in all things You’re doing well! So don’t give up and best of luck! It’s a hard journey but you can do it :) have a lovely day
I want to add a caveat that some disabilities and chronic illnesses do require more bedrest in order to improve symptoms and increase daily functioning. However, like you said, mindful rest is key, and I get the impression that this is not the type of rest that is being advocated for by a lot of the proponents of the bed-rotting trend on social media.
As a chronically ill person I came here to say this!. I need rest but 'rotting' is not a good trend. I still need nature, fresh air, a shower, clean pjs and although rest is essential as a trend I find ut insane! I would love to go fir a walk in nature ( im in a wheelchair) instead of being in bed!
Yes, it is depression. I have been struggling with this. I see a therapist to try and help get chores done. I don't know if there are videos on lethargy, but breaking up the tasks does help. Usually getting out of the house at least once is helpful for mental health.
Unfortunately we are constantly bombarded with derogatory terms to make us feel like shit. So even if someone needed to be in bed all day bc they feel like crap, they can now feel like even more crap. What a lovely world we live in…
I have battled anxiety and depression for years. 16 years ago, I tried to take my life. I'm stronger and more self-aware now. One of my FIRST RED FLAGS is that urge to lay in bed and not face or deal with anything. I make myself get up, walk outside, each out to a friend, etc. Just be careful. The brain is so powerful. Sending love ❤
Yup I think all counselors suggest to avoid this behavior completely if you have depression. I speak from the perspective of someone who has been around the mental health world for over 28 years.
Been struggling to get out and work because I've had the ability to take time off and drive for a living but I noticed on this break it makes me feel better getting out and working. Lost my Mom, a dog, and my best friend in the last 4 years and previously diagnosed with PTSD so sitting at home prolonged periods actually reminds me of the days I was too depressed to leave the house even though I am totally happy and love where I'm at
As someone who struggles with mental health issues, I wouldn't have a problem with this trend if we didn't tend to take everything to extremes as a society in general. Also, since part of my mental health issues cause seizures, there are some days when I end up in bed frequently to recover after an episode. So I get having to spend time doing nothing or even sleeping to let your body heal or recharge. That being said, I think the problem with this trend is that most TikTok videos or shorts on other platforms don't encourage moderation. Self-care is different for everyone, but use various techniques and remember that moderation is key, just like everything else in life. Think of it like alcohol. If someone goes out for a couple of drinks once or twice a week to hang with friends and relax, great, but once you start drinking to the point it interferes with your life and your responsibilities, it's a problem.
This is so real I’m glad Katie is talking about it because it should not be normalized. It really looks more like a depression than a coping mechanism we can’t be in bed all day. Amazing video 💗
been there in bed too many times, all I can say is it makes back pain worse, sleeping patterns worse, miss out on real life, and after the day is over I can say that I've don't feel any better
You’re so nice Kati, the way you responded to those unpleasant comments in such an understanding and constructive manner. Keep doing what you do because you’re great 🙂
Speaking as a therapist myself, it could be depression. It could be burnout, anxiety, chronic fatigue, medical issues, sleep disorders… in short if you’re doing this a lot check it out with your doctor
I think it’s important to note that Kati says “excessive bed rotting”. It’s the same with anything else, too much of something is bad for you. Doing it occasionally is more than likely not a sign of depression. Not a fan of the name though, such a negative phrase. Just sounds like whoever came up with it is just trying to stigmatise the concept of having a whole day in bed. A bit like when the phrase quiet quitting was trending. To the people who are offended by what she is saying, you need to chill. She is not saying that if you do you have depression. She is just saying that it could indicate you may a depression. She is just getting you to think about it and consider the possibility.
Sometimes we'll be out and about one event after the next engagement, tons of social interactions and time with people so bed is where I want to go on as Sunday! I'm pretty introvert so after a lot of socializing I get so tired or staying up late and the weekend is a great time to take a day to chill. I get up to cook or get snacks, that's about it! I usually wake up happy, super energized and refreshed the next day and I become like the energizer bunny accomplishing way more than I would have if I didn't fully rest. For me, it works!
Thank you for this video. Even though I can see the problems with this trend. I can see from my own experience how easy it is to slide into the extreme version. I'm trending in this direction with sleeping later and a disrupted sleep schedule. The timing of the video is perfect for me. I've been struggling recently which I felt confirmed by answering yes to most of the questions. I know that it is something that I can work on with my therapist.
Spending too much time in bed is so bad for your body (as is just sitting still). I had Covid in December 2020, and unfortunately I’m one of those for whom long Covid has stuck around. I still have it. For the first year, I had to work part time, and I spent two or three hours sleeping every afternoon to recover. The fatigue was horrible. I still have reduced energy, and my body has not recovered from the inactivity. I’m working on it. But I have to take a long nap either one or both days on the weekend to recover. But I lost so much flexibility and strength. I have reduced breath support, so it’s hard to really exercise, which has complicated my recovery. If spending hours in bed seems appealing, I encourage you to make it an occasional thing. You won’t see it first, but it is taking a toll on your body. And regaining what you lost is hard and discouraging. I don’t want anyone else to be in my position.
Have you heard of or tried Ashwaganda? I would be curious if that wouldn't help you to regain your energy and vitality. Look it up. I like the one by Force Factor, they are soft chews, I take 2 a day. It's great for immune support, having B vitamins and Vitamin D as well.
I can relate. I got COVID-19 at the end of 2022, and I feel lucky that the strain felt like a horrid sinus infection versus the earlier strains of the virus. I already struggle with depression, so COVID only added to everything. I am still not up to where I was before COVID-19, and I am also a long-haul patient. The two biggest things that have helped with breath support are singing along with music and meditative breathing. Singing is the easiest because you sing along with what you are listening to and don't really think about it.
I'm so sorry you are struggling with your health like this! I hope it will still get better for you! Sending you courage to keep going and much love... 🫂
It seems like it’s a form of isolating, not just from other people but from their own selves. I’m glad you’re coming out strong against it. It’s a slow soul-killing practice. I haven’t heard the rest of your counsel to and about them in this video. I’m a newish subscriber but I think you really have the wisdom and courage to help your followers, no matter how they react.
I have anxiety and depression as well as a chronic illness that produces extreme fatigue. I can't imagine a worse thing to do for both your physical and mental health than this because there's something called deconditioning and it's the worst. The less you do, the harder it comes to do anything. And it creeps up faster than you think. I have to say ,though, that the name is very fitting. "Bed rotting" because that's exactly what happens: you rot.
The times I've bed rotted a full day, I always came out groggy and as miserable as I was when I went in. Sure, it may allow me to let the bad feelings pass but I wouldn't recommend it for more than an hour (I've tended to do it for hours on end). I truly never felt like I began to heal until I vent with a trusted person or when I go back to do something I enjoy like drawing or playing a video game. And you're right, bed rotting literally does sound like depression to the point you're physically unable to get up from bed. It happens too much for me, I can't imagine doing it willingly.
Same. Lol. I didn't realize my normal life was a new trend. In my case, I have several medical issues that require me to stay in bed more than I'd like, so it's not depression with me. I am sad if it is for the kids following this trend, though. I'm glad Katie made a video about it so those who need help might learn to recognize the signs and will seek it.
I do this and didn't realize there was a term for it. I definitely don't feel proud or happy about it, it's a thing I am seeking help for to stop doing. Thank you for the video.
I am under the care of my Nurse Practitioner and Therapist. I am getting up and out there. They had to special order my next antidepressant. Your videos help keep me focused. Thanks for the boost.
I have clinical depression and have been off of social media for the most part. I'm surprised to hear that this is considered self care because its so obviously a sign of depression, especially if done excessively. I have to force myself to get out of bed to help my depression because rotting all the time does not help, it makes it worse.
I could see something like this being helpful for like a day. Like rest and recharge but I kind of think if you're not already depressed and you start doing stuff like that you might force yourself into it.
I recently went on a 2 week bed rotting streak. I lied to my bosses, saying i had covid. I related with everything you mentioned in this video, and this binge was extremely disruptive to the progress I have made in my life. I was recently diagnosed with bpd, which has brought a lot of clarity and answers, but also a daunting obstacle to overcome. I hope that everyone who can relate can overcome lifes obstacles and create a life they no longer need to escape from. We're in this together. Hang in there.
Why is Bed Rotting a trend it sucks. As a person with GAD BPD and MDD in remission it shouldn’t be a trend and I usually do this when I am very angry at the world and just want to disappear The fact that this is a trend is gross especially since its called Bed ROTTING. Its called ROTTING because WE FEEL LIKE WE’RE ROTTING. ITS NOT A TREND
I had a hemorrhagic stroke. I fought hard to get out of bed. I do sit several hours a day, because I'm not able to do much. But, I eat a healthy diet, stay out of bed, at least a few hours a day. I can't do much, but I don't have to be bedridden, and I refuse to be.
@forgethehype move slowly, monitor my blood pressure, eat healthy. Spend time outside, After eating and getting sun, sit. Repeat each day. I live in the tropics, and sweet people around me. I shower regularly, cold water. It's hot here. Eat a variety of wonderful foods. Sea food, fresh meats, and vegetables and fruits. Don't watch much TV. Read, bask in sun, stand as much as I can handle.
It took me some time to realize this. I still do it but becoming in-tune with your body is SO important. It would take me DAYS to recuperate from stressful events. Now I’ll rot in bed 30mins-1Hr & my brain tells me “Hey I’m rested, can we engage the mind in some fun work.” & I say “sure!” I’m getting a lot more done AND I’ve even found meaning in life. Mindfulness has changed my internal struggles. My internal struggles are no longer paralyzing.
Interesting term bed rotting, I am 64 an have used bed rotting my hole life. Your right it is depression but there is a hole lot more to it. Its resetting the clock. Stepping out of the stream and letting the other logs float by that are trying to drag you with them. Its also waiting for inspiration. For something thing that gets you excited. Getting rid of the brain fog. Once you hit bottom the only way is up.
Thank you for this! As a person that has struggled with depression, and also taken care of people who actually did become unhealthy by choosing bed-rotting a few years ago- now they have lost some of their functionality and mobility and need assistance-- you are spot on 😬
I have been doing this once a day for years or else I cannot face the work week. I am diagnosed with both depression AND anxiety. I am productive six days a week and see nothing wrong with taking a complete and utter break for an entire day
Why is isolation and not talking looked on so negatively? extroverts are celebrated. and introverts are weird and outcasts? This past pandemic i revelled in the extrovert world getting a taste of introversion [ and being unable to handle it. ] I take sunday as a complete rest day. I work in a public service job all week. Where its non stop interaction with customers and coworkers. If i wanna take a single day (always a Sunday) to shut the world out and just stay in bed listening to music and playing on a app theres nothing wrong with that. And yes i most certainly have experienced depression and anxiety and i beat it. I could think of worse habits to engage in like drug and alcohol abuse rather than chilling in my bed for one day. I get up the other 6 and live life just fine thanks to that one day where the world outside can deal without me for a day 😀
extroverts are celebrated: maybe side-effect of capitalism? introverts spend less money by staying at home? advertising encourages "doing something" (go out and spend money)?
I don't think the thing is to be or not extrovert ( but i agree with you with the over celebration to be an extrovert). Even an introvert need socialisation. It's a human's need for all of us. Not at the same degree, yes... Introvert need more rest, but they enjoy have friends, go outside, be active, when they don't have mental health struggles. I was like you with a very buzzy work where i had a lot of interactions and i was exhausted and needed, exactly like you, to do nothing when I didn't work. It didn't end very well. I did a burn out, had depression, very high anxiety and then a cancer... but it was not because I'm an introvert. It was because i worked too hard, in a very precarious way, without recognize i had mental and physic health struggles... social anxiety and EDS and chronic pains. be careful... one day, perhaps, it' not a day off you will need. But one year off, or more... and I don't want that happen to you the way it happened to me...
Bed rotting? Ya’ll are silly. It’s called rotting, rot=waste and deterioration, and how can that be healthy? I’ve had to lay in bed for days with nothing but the internet or a book to entertain me after I had a spinal procedure. It’s super lame. I hate it so much. I try to study interest things but even a day on the computer makes me cranky and unhappy. I have better things I want to do with my life. The only person I ever knew do this was a woman I worked with. She worked 80 hours a week, took care of her grandchild and burnt out by Sunday where she would lay in bed exhausted not able to move. After a year, her health deteriorated and while she made the money she wanted she eventually quit her job to do something easier from home. Lucky she was able to secure a great salary and is much happier. If anyone did this 15 years ago it would have been called depression and sadness, not self-care. Laying around all day online is bad for your mind and your body. It will make it harder to sleep because you aren’t using your body to burn off excess energy, and you are also making the connection that the bed isn’t for sleeping but for scrolling. That will also affect your sleep. These trends are just for people who refuse to be educated it sounds like to me. Telling a mental health professional on her Chanel to mind her business sounds like someone who has given no real thought to anything. Probably a symptom of bed rotting = brain rotting.
Prolonged bed rotting especially when combined with insomnia and disrupted work is unhealthy and can be a sign of grief /depression. Katie is spot on with her points and questions. I had all the problems you mentioned along with excessive sleep and low mood at one time and yes, I had a bout of depression which responded amazingly well to antidepressants. But years later after working 3 years in a job that demanded working at night, I took two weeks of annual leave to study for my exams. The first thing I did was to sleep day and night except for food and toilet breaks for 3 days. Refreshed, I got on with my studies for the rest of the 2 weeks and passed the exam easily. So yes, I had experience of both healthy and unhealthy bedrotting. But this is the first time I am seeind a good video on this topic.😊
This sounds like a natural response to a hostile world. The world is not welcoming and offers nothing that humans need. I've spent excessive time in bed for (time redacted), and it just gets you by at best. But there is nothing really enticing in interacting with the world. Sure, rest can be imperative (and is for some people), but I really can't imagine choosing a day in bed as making things better- it just suggests complete disconnection from the hostile world, but a good life seems to be able to have some good relationship to the world. The real problem is that if "good" parts of life are out of the world, the fact is that life is simply not worthwhile and will never feel so. Eventually, you get dragged into the world, which can still only be viewed as a hostile event, which reinforces the cycle. If you do it for some time and then get up ready and excited for engagement with the world, that's probably a good sign you are engaging in rest, but bed rot probably isn't it, chiefs. I want to believe there is a good way to have positive experiences in the world, but I still haven't really found anything. Nothing entices me, nothing seems even an option (especially for social engagement which is completely barren). I have been more physically active, and it makes the world seem more bearable, but I still don't have a positive reason to want to go out in the world. Worse, as an adult, there is not really much in the way of finding good opportunities.
Yeah, but my oldest Uncle used to bedrot even before cellphones was a thing. He used cartoon papers and radio instead. Sometimes a good old book. He was depressed during great periods of his older life up until the end of it.
I spend so much time in bed It’s a habit learned from being a workaholic I get my home nice work done finances in tact THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY SELF I have a boat beautiful cars a dog ( which I walk daily) An love of prayer.🙏🏻 Still I spend alot of time in bed and im a BED ROTTER I’ve only heard this term on this video
I have major depression and I’ve been “bed rotting” for years. I’ve always used it as a form of escape, and recognise it as an unhealthy coping mechanism I need to change. Now when I feel “peopled out”, I try to disappear into the bush by myself to walk and recharge. But “bed rotting” is my go to, my very bad habit.
thanks ! Very useful ! I didn't know about bed rotting but it was what i have done since the death of my father ( 2 years ago) . I struggled a lot to say I was depressed because I didn't feel sad or hopeless. I "only" struggle" to do basic things in the day... But, it has been only 5 or 6 weeks i decided to try to take riding lessons. I used to ride horses when i was young and i enjoyed a lot to go in trail in the wood. So, since the first lesson, ( where I ride, yes, but where I walk in the nature, not only for one hour, but during a full afternoon), my sleep is a lot better, my mood is better during a few days after the lesson... I give me the desire to walk again in a forest. I was scared, at first, to have to relearn, from the beginning, how to ride because i have physic troubles, i have chronic pains and social anxiety... but it's worth it to go outside, to enjoy again, evan if i'm exhausted after that and have pain sometimes... An other exemples. I have two computers. One in my sitting room, i had to wake up, to walk to use iti. The other one is a labtop i can use in my bed... Even i f i don't go outside, days are better when i used the first computer than if i use the labtop... I see light, i take care of my cats, i do some household chores. It's not perfect because i don't go outside, but it's better... i have less pain, for example. It's not always easy, sometimes brain fog is very hard to manage and i can give up one day, but i try to not to fall back in that " bed rotting".
I spent 16-20 hours a day in bed for several months in a row If not more. I wasnt doing this for self care I was 100% depressed. I dont even think I really talked to my therapist about it until I was ready to make a change and get out of bed more.
What do you do if you've become physically disabled to the point of being primarily bed bound and "bed rotting" has inadvertently become your normal? I try to read and communicate with people online but I know I am depressed and severely burnt out. Any activity takes all my energy. I'm generally treatment resistant. It seems like this is just kind of my fate.
I think you're right, staying in bed all day doesn't make me feel better in a long run, it just lets me hide form some things that could make me feel worse. The problem is, I never PLAN to stay in bed all day, it just kinds of happens, hour after hour I'll postpone things I should be or was planning on doing, and then it's suddenly evening. How do get out of this spiral?
I wonder too, for myself. That's why I went to health care for this habbit and for other issues. The whole autumn has been a long wait. But now they finally have begun mapping my issues. And I'll eventually stand in que for NPF-diagnosis after the mapping.
I totally agree with you Kati, sadly people who are not conscious about these issues treat them like a treat and I believe 99.99% of them have no insight on this matter. Just like people who don't take responsibility say "that's how god wanted it to be" or something like that, which is so unhealthy in my opinion in this situation.
What’s it be a complex thing is coming up from hormonal disruption, social economic change, loss of loved one, high toxicity of a whole body, lack of exercise, as a result of lack of balance between work and rest. Etc…..
I'm an introvert. I have a hard time being around people for long periods of time. However, I had to choose to work and provide for my kiddos and myself. Soooo....as backwards as it seems....I reward myself with..."Get A,B, C and hopefully D done....then you can climb into my jammies, grab my favorite food, my earbuds and then my favorite shows. All of this happens after the kiddos are sound asleep. I last MAYBE 90 minutes....then I'm sound asleep. The point is...I never want my past traumas to control me....I never want to be depressed LIKE THAT again. I've worked really hard. That's not me anymore. But self care...that's my alone time in my bed with my most scandalous shows or youtube crime videos. So...call me what you want....but I am living now....not wanting to be in someone else's life by escaping via hiding in my bed..which became more uncomfortable than walmart by the end. ❤
I would suggest seeing a medical doctor and having some lab tests done before considering a mental health resource. With the poor health most Americans have including their poor nutrition because of highly processed foods, there are a number of medical issues that can contribute to almost all items on the checklist for depression. Even hopelessness. When you haven't been feeling good and you're suffering from a lot of stress and external things, it impacts you physically and emotionally. Chronic pain is one big example. Fatigue is another. Not feeling any better day after day leads to hopelessness and no counseling is going to fix those problems. Next, see a mental health provider to support you in your journey to whole health.
Danger! I was doing this for years as a hard working professional wife and mother and managed my harmful working week by ‘bed rotting’ on weekends. I gained weight, it robbed me of joyful and important family time with my adolescent and now adult children that can never be recovered and it affected my social Life in general. It set me up for the worst possible extended Covid hospitalisation that came close to killing me and has left me physically impaired. I did not feel objectively depressed - just numb, anhedonic - loss of interest in things that were previously pleasurable. Yes, the only way of dealing with stress - it’s as important to identify and address the causes as it is develop alternative ways to manage stress.
excessive dependence on recognizably temporary measures is not great theyre stop gaps, not safe spaces to live in.. find balance in all things, control yourself, monitor yourself actively, rather than hoping it sorts itself out passively
I can't help but agree with you within the 1st minute. Then ask you to read two different reasons for it to be a way of self-care and other. 1. If we re-label and see it as recharging. I know that some with Autism because of masking needs some amount of extreme bed rest. 2. Any time we are hurt, sick physically, or had surgery to help heal we should do extreme bed rest. Why not when this is mental, emotional; sick, tryed, had emotional/mental surgery (break-up or loss of a love-one), a bad illness (takes a total on your mental health), a different stage in life, and giving up a dream/(grief of a lost dream). 3. In past history in some culture people who could would truly rest after the birth of a baby, ( About 40 days, some even without bathing). So heavy resting seen in a positive light might truly help ❣️ Seeing in the ways you explained so far not so good.
I think aspiring to living a balanced life that embraces the very real need for rest and downtime is crucial for everyone’s mental and physical health. We don’t need to have our kids constantly involved in sports or other activities. We’re running ourselves ragged and for what? A slower more restful peaceable more frugal lifestyle is very much needed and in order.
The things people from all walks of life are struggling with after the whole covid trauma amaze me more and more with each passing day.. humanity is not recovering well 😢
I literally answered yes to every question asked I did try to seek a mental health professional and was told to go see my doctor the receptionist at my doctor told me to see a mental health specialist. The constant phoning around isn’t helping me.
I use a powerchair in the community. The first thing that I, and many full-time wheelchair users, do after a long day of commuting and dealing with unclean and possibly inaccessible bathrooms, is bedrot for a little (maybe 30 minutes, maybe a few hours). I don't have, and have never had, an affective/depression illness, but I do have an anxiety disorder as per the DSM-IV-TR, which is my preferred version of the diagnostic manual. Thank you for sharing your opinion on the Internet.
My depression beggs for me to spend my days off in bed, "babying" myself for the full 24hrs. Fortunately, my German shepherd/husky, would never allow it😅
The sad reality of this is that we stay in bed all day to escape from bad habits, i.e overeating, drinking, spending recklessly, binge-watching... if we're not already doing this while IN bed.
Since I’ve graduated I’ve been bed rotting for along time and the shit I’ve been through isn’t helping but I have a hard time going to sleep or a hard time waking up and I’ve still heartbroken over past partners and so many other shit and this November I want to try and do a 30 day challenge and start stretching then move on to exercising and I love u and your videos
As someone who laid in bed for 3 years and did absolutely nothing all day every day, then had a heart attack at the age of 32. I can attest that bed rotting is exactly as it sounds. I had to come to the realization that my Schizoaffective disorder and ADHD was the reason I'll never be successful or steady at work because I was raised to work hard and not ask for help. It's very hard to accept that you keep losing careers even after trudging through swamps and working 12 hour days lifting 80 pounds 425 times a day. People who worked as hard as I did in my 20's should be somewhat successful. At least be able to have a truck, a house and a family but nope...this guy got screwed out of everything. No credit, no loans, no money and I made great choices. No success whatsoever and nobody cares. I get a brain that acts like a meth head whenever I get stressed out from working or just living.
Yep, we are so many people who can relate! 😢💓 But I know of people with ADHD that has started working on an online business instead, like selling and marketing really good natural health psoducts with great quality. And they can get around by it, doing what they like.
Modified "bed rotting" once a week is actually nice and necessary for me. Because I'm widowed with a child and my work is never done. Literally, never done. I call it the sabbath. It's a needed day of rest for me. I wouldn't advise staying in bed all day because you need to get up to eat nourishing meals, use the bathroom, and practice the minimum of personal hygiene and that's impossible staying in your bed. I think if you can manage to stay in bed all day and neglect all the things that really need to be done to maintain your health something is probably going on that you need to look at.
I've been "bed rotting" since before it was even a term. I basically live in freeze mode from chronic anxiety, CPTSD, OCD, BPD, AvPD and anhedonic depression. I didn't always sleep all day as a normal routine. If I stayed in bed ALL DAY years and years ago, it would have felt WRONG, like I was really sick. These days, I go to bed around 4am. Night time is the only time I get to myself. I then sleep all day, waking up (properly) at about 4pm. Then I scroll my phone for about an hour before getting up and moving to the couch and laying there until I go to bed again. I literally exist, not live. I also am basically jetlagging myself. I am always tired and can't even focus enough to read a magazine article. Due to the anhedonia, I enjoy nothing much and being unconscious / half asleep is my only relief, comfort and escape. I have zero appetite and haven't had any for over 7 years. If I was not asleep, I would just lay on the couch all day, bored, extra depressed, irritable, tense, and I'd end up falling asleep anyway. I don't care about being productive. I've never had any goals or ambitions. I just need relief.
@@elduende2891 Me. Just barely. And I really don't think you want my life. I sleep 12+ hours a day to avoid everything and get relief. You wish for that?
the thing i’ve learned about depression and all mental health related things is if you do not actively prioritize your own mental health needs in better ways than bed rotting and doom scrolling then you will be depressed for literally ever. it doesn’t just go away. it takes a lot.
This "trend" comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what bed rotting is. Bed rotting is being physically incapable of leaving your bed due to poor mental health because of loneliness, depression, anxiety, etc. It's definitely not something to be viewed positively. Many people from online mental health circles I've been who have engaged in bed rotting would never describe it as something relaxing or fun at all. I feel like this term was co-opted by people who don't really understand it and just think it's some "fun thing" that people enjoy doing when in reality, it's something that happens when someone loses their will to do even the most basic of things.
So from my point. Doing nothing all day is okay if combined with awarness of why & not in bed. Bed is for sleep & sex. Not to say I don't read or watch youtube, etc in bed. But am also aware this affects my sleep & am aware of it & choose to be okay with it. So choosing to watch anime & snack & be comfy for a good part of day or even reading can be relaxing. But also still able to pay bills or get stuff done if need be. And not more than for a day or two. It gets boring being in bed for longer periods & can be depression
Hi, Kati. I just had my gallbladder removed. I had 0.7-inch gallstones, dealing with debilitating nausea for years. The last few months before surgery, I felt so sick in the mornings that I stopped taking my Strattera and Wellbutrin. I felt fine but with the holidays and winter approaching and the meds wearing off, depressive symptoms were creeping back in. After getting my gallbladder removed and some digestive rest, I started taking my morning psych meds again. I know it will take months for the Strattera to fully accumulate so I’m trying to remember that when my mood is low.
I feel like it is unhealthy, for me. In a rare instances I'll spend a day in bed. I have depression, so I have to be careful. I do take naps of like an hour to get through the evening. I exercise in VR, and I have a small apartment. I built a Murphy bed so I can move more. But I found that if the bed is up, I have less impulse to hang in my room. I mean it would only take 30 seconds to put the bed back down, but I just don't. So building the bed had another advantage for me. Hanging out in bed just makes me sore, and isolative. In the last few years my depression has alleviated. I have learned to enjoy my life. Great video
For me, I can have this as part of my ME/CFS (which I can't control....I have to sleep when I crash) or I am in the "freeze response" if my PTSD is triggered. Could also be sign of catatonic depression. Not sure if these would be considered "bed rotting" as many chronic conditions cause a need to sleep more. ME/CFS is a strong example.
I can’t imagine staying in bed the whole day, my brain would drive me insane with all the things I’d WANT to do! The only days I want to stay in bed are when I’m not well or truly too tired to do my hobbies anymore
“True self care is about creating life you don’t want to escape from” YES 👏👏👏
For the life of me I cannot find one I wish to live, why bother fool ourselves?
@coughsglitter … 💯🎯
@@CamStubbs you’re right, what’s the point of pretending to be okay and bothering to re adjust our comfort-zone lives?
Because we deserve a good life and we have suffered enough. Why prolong the misery when it’s in our control to change it? It’s a matter of a perspective believe me
This sure hits the mark, describes my situation very well. It's mountains beyond mountains but every ridge one climbs improves the view a bit more. Those who are certain they have no need to improve themselves are the most hopeless.
Amen
I think your nuanced dialogue around bed rotting is quite valuable and I am so sorry a bunch of incredibly rude and unkind people chose verbal abuse to express they disagreed with your opinion. Thank you for still making such informative and well thought out videos in spite of the sometimes cruel nature of social media! We can all disagree on something and still be respectful.
Aww thanks Madison :) I agree.. we can disagree and still be respectful :) xoxo
What got me was that so many acted as if it were a personal attack on them and you were forcing your opinion on them. Reading "Leave me alone!" in the comment section made my brain stall out and go into a tailspin trying to understand how anyone could type that.
If I stay to much in bed then it makes my depression worse so I learn to keep myself busy instead even if I feel like not doing anything
@@leonievh1223 activity is a good temporary purpose that can and will help you from sinking into a worse depression ^-^ you’ve got the right idea for sure, but don’t fall into the trap of overworking yourself to counter depression :) balance in all things
You’re doing well! So don’t give up and best of luck! It’s a hard journey but you can do it :) have a lovely day
I want to add a caveat that some disabilities and chronic illnesses do require more bedrest in order to improve symptoms and increase daily functioning. However, like you said, mindful rest is key, and I get the impression that this is not the type of rest that is being advocated for by a lot of the proponents of the bed-rotting trend on social media.
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Exactly, its nuanced & not clear cut. Everyone does what's best for them coupled with self awarness
As a chronically ill person I came here to say this!. I need rest but 'rotting' is not a good trend. I still need nature, fresh air, a shower, clean pjs and although rest is essential as a trend I find ut insane! I would love to go fir a walk in nature ( im in a wheelchair) instead of being in bed!
@@Julie-si3hiMe too.
DEFINITELY! Sometimes I'm in too much chronic pain and have low blood pressure issues enough where being mobile isn't ideal
Yes, it is depression. I have been struggling with this. I see a therapist to try and help get chores done. I don't know if there are videos on lethargy, but breaking up the tasks does help. Usually getting out of the house at least once is helpful for mental health.
Thank you so much for sharing, and I am so glad you are seeing a therapist to get some support :) xoxo
@@ryana8246 thanks for your post would you be able to give me an idea of how you break the tasks up?
Bed rotting, doom scrolling, avoiding yourself and your inner discomfort seem to be often found together. ❤
me scrolling comments right now…and spending WAY too long on Reddit
It could be being stuck in freeze mode
It definitely could be!! Thank you so much for bringing this up!! xoxo
@Katimorton no worries 😊 , or functional freeze possibly.
It must be
It is for me.
Loneliness, depression and some form of betrayal and/or the feeling of being outcast at some point in ones life might cause this.
(perceived) benefits of solitude > socialization
I have all that, but I don't bed rott, I chair rot.
@@BigIndianBindi-jy1cz😂
I have a hard time feeling something purposely called "rotting" is positive.
Unfortunately we are constantly bombarded with derogatory terms to make us feel like shit. So even if someone needed to be in bed all day bc they feel like crap, they can now feel like even more crap. What a lovely world we live in…
@@EmergeAndSeeTherapeutics It reminds me of being told I was "isolating" when I really just wanted to hang out by myself.
It's really not appropriate language from someone who claims to be a therapist, rather than say an army major or sports coach.
You are definitely right. It tilts more today the negative
I agree with you 100%. We all.know that improving depression requires some movement and doing.
My bed is my best friend. I love bed rotting.
I have battled anxiety and depression for years. 16 years ago, I tried to take my life. I'm stronger and more self-aware now. One of my FIRST RED FLAGS is that urge to lay in bed and not face or deal with anything. I make myself get up, walk outside, each out to a friend, etc. Just be careful. The brain is so powerful. Sending love ❤
Yup I think all counselors suggest to avoid this behavior completely if you have depression. I speak from the perspective of someone who has been around the mental health world for over 28 years.
Been struggling to get out and work because I've had the ability to take time off and drive for a living but I noticed on this break it makes me feel better getting out and working. Lost my Mom, a dog, and my best friend in the last 4 years and previously diagnosed with PTSD so sitting at home prolonged periods actually reminds me of the days I was too depressed to leave the house even though I am totally happy and love where I'm at
As someone who struggles with mental health issues, I wouldn't have a problem with this trend if we didn't tend to take everything to extremes as a society in general. Also, since part of my mental health issues cause seizures, there are some days when I end up in bed frequently to recover after an episode. So I get having to spend time doing nothing or even sleeping to let your body heal or recharge. That being said, I think the problem with this trend is that most TikTok videos or shorts on other platforms don't encourage moderation. Self-care is different for everyone, but use various techniques and remember that moderation is key, just like everything else in life. Think of it like alcohol. If someone goes out for a couple of drinks once or twice a week to hang with friends and relax, great, but once you start drinking to the point it interferes with your life and your responsibilities, it's a problem.
This is so real I’m glad Katie is talking about it because it should not be normalized. It really looks more like a depression than a coping mechanism we can’t be in bed all day. Amazing video 💗
been there in bed too many times, all I can say is it makes back pain worse, sleeping patterns worse, miss out on real life, and after the day is over I can say that I've don't feel any better
You’re so nice Kati, the way you responded to those unpleasant comments in such an understanding and constructive manner. Keep doing what you do because you’re great 🙂
Speaking as a therapist myself, it could be depression. It could be burnout, anxiety, chronic fatigue, medical issues, sleep disorders… in short if you’re doing this a lot check it out with your doctor
I think it’s important to note that Kati says “excessive bed rotting”. It’s the same with anything else, too much of something is bad for you. Doing it occasionally is more than likely not a sign of depression.
Not a fan of the name though, such a negative phrase. Just sounds like whoever came up with it is just trying to stigmatise the concept of having a whole day in bed. A bit like when the phrase quiet quitting was trending.
To the people who are offended by what she is saying, you need to chill. She is not saying that if you do you have depression. She is just saying that it could indicate you may a depression. She is just getting you to think about it and consider the possibility.
Sometimes we'll be out and about one event after the next engagement, tons of social interactions and time with people so bed is where I want to go on as Sunday! I'm pretty introvert so after a lot of socializing I get so tired or staying up late and the weekend is a great time to take a day to chill. I get up to cook or get snacks, that's about it! I usually wake up happy, super energized and refreshed the next day and I become like the energizer bunny accomplishing way more than I would have if I didn't fully rest. For me, it works!
Thank you for this video. Even though I can see the problems with this trend. I can see from my own experience how easy it is to slide into the extreme version. I'm trending in this direction with sleeping later and a disrupted sleep schedule.
The timing of the video is perfect for me. I've been struggling recently which I felt confirmed by answering yes to most of the questions. I know that it is something that I can work on with my therapist.
Spending too much time in bed is so bad for your body (as is just sitting still).
I had Covid in December 2020, and unfortunately I’m one of those for whom long Covid has stuck around. I still have it.
For the first year, I had to work part time, and I spent two or three hours sleeping every afternoon to recover. The fatigue was horrible.
I still have reduced energy, and my body has not recovered from the inactivity. I’m working on it. But I have to take a long nap either one or both days on the weekend to recover.
But I lost so much flexibility and strength. I have reduced breath support, so it’s hard to really exercise, which has complicated my recovery.
If spending hours in bed seems appealing, I encourage you to make it an occasional thing. You won’t see it first, but it is taking a toll on your body. And regaining what you lost is hard and discouraging.
I don’t want anyone else to be in my position.
Have you heard of or tried Ashwaganda? I would be curious if that wouldn't help you to regain your energy and vitality. Look it up. I like the one by Force Factor, they are soft chews, I take 2 a day. It's great for immune support, having B vitamins and Vitamin D as well.
I can relate. I got COVID-19 at the end of 2022, and I feel lucky that the strain felt like a horrid sinus infection versus the earlier strains of the virus. I already struggle with depression, so COVID only added to everything. I am still not up to where I was before COVID-19, and I am also a long-haul patient. The two biggest things that have helped with breath support are singing along with music and meditative breathing. Singing is the easiest because you sing along with what you are listening to and don't really think about it.
I'm so sorry you are struggling with your health like this! I hope it will still get better for you! Sending you courage to keep going and much love... 🫂
+1 for long Covid
I have severe MECFS from repeated COVID infections
My anxiety is worse in the morning and if I don't get out of bed and start my routine then it doesn't improve…
I agree with you, bed rotting needs a more critical evaluation, most people binge on junks while bed rotting and that's not normal
It seems like it’s a form of isolating, not just from other people but from their own selves. I’m glad you’re coming out strong against it. It’s a slow soul-killing practice. I haven’t heard the rest of your counsel to and about them in this video. I’m a newish subscriber but I think you really have the wisdom and courage to help your followers, no matter how they react.
for me it comes from ADHD burnout/paralysis more so than depression. although it has been caused by depression in the past
I have anxiety and depression as well as a chronic illness that produces extreme fatigue. I can't imagine a worse thing to do for both your physical and mental health than this because there's something called deconditioning and it's the worst. The less you do, the harder it comes to do anything. And it creeps up faster than you think.
I have to say ,though, that the name is very fitting. "Bed rotting" because that's exactly what happens: you rot.
Resting & retiring from the crazy world is ultimately sensible.
The times I've bed rotted a full day, I always came out groggy and as miserable as I was when I went in. Sure, it may allow me to let the bad feelings pass but I wouldn't recommend it for more than an hour (I've tended to do it for hours on end). I truly never felt like I began to heal until I vent with a trusted person or when I go back to do something I enjoy like drawing or playing a video game.
And you're right, bed rotting literally does sound like depression to the point you're physically unable to get up from bed. It happens too much for me, I can't imagine doing it willingly.
Me bed rotting whilst watching this👀🍿
Same. Lol. I didn't realize my normal life was a new trend. In my case, I have several medical issues that require me to stay in bed more than I'd like, so it's not depression with me. I am sad if it is for the kids following this trend, though. I'm glad Katie made a video about it so those who need help might learn to recognize the signs and will seek it.
I do this and didn't realize there was a term for it. I definitely don't feel proud or happy about it, it's a thing I am seeking help for to stop doing. Thank you for the video.
I am under the care of my Nurse Practitioner and Therapist. I am getting up and out there. They had to special order my next antidepressant. Your videos help keep me focused. Thanks for the boost.
I have clinical depression and have been off of social media for the most part. I'm surprised to hear that this is considered self care because its so obviously a sign of depression, especially if done excessively.
I have to force myself to get out of bed to help my depression because rotting all the time does not help, it makes it worse.
I could see something like this being helpful for like a day. Like rest and recharge but I kind of think if you're not already depressed and you start doing stuff like that you might force yourself into it.
I recently went on a 2 week bed rotting streak. I lied to my bosses, saying i had covid. I related with everything you mentioned in this video, and this binge was extremely disruptive to the progress I have made in my life. I was recently diagnosed with bpd, which has brought a lot of clarity and answers, but also a daunting obstacle to overcome. I hope that everyone who can relate can overcome lifes obstacles and create a life they no longer need to escape from. We're in this together. Hang in there.
I do this but I DO NOT think it’s good!!! My depression is real and I’m fighting it left and right. I’m in total agreement with you Kati!
Why is Bed Rotting a trend it sucks. As a person with GAD BPD and MDD in remission it shouldn’t be a trend and I usually do this when I am very angry at the world and just want to disappear
The fact that this is a trend is gross especially since its called Bed ROTTING. Its called ROTTING because WE FEEL LIKE WE’RE ROTTING. ITS NOT A TREND
Yep. Social media like Tik Tok can make topics trend, by the way.
I had a hemorrhagic stroke. I fought hard to get out of bed. I do sit several hours a day, because I'm not able to do much. But, I eat a healthy diet, stay out of bed, at least a few hours a day. I can't do much, but I don't have to be bedridden, and I refuse to be.
What’s your day to day like?
@forgethehype move slowly, monitor my blood pressure, eat healthy. Spend time outside, After eating and getting sun, sit. Repeat each day. I live in the tropics, and sweet people around me. I shower regularly, cold water. It's hot here. Eat a variety of wonderful foods. Sea food, fresh meats, and vegetables and fruits. Don't watch much TV. Read, bask in sun, stand as much as I can handle.
It took me some time to realize this. I still do it but becoming in-tune with your body is SO important. It would take me DAYS to recuperate from stressful events. Now I’ll rot in bed 30mins-1Hr & my brain tells me “Hey I’m rested, can we engage the mind in some fun work.” & I say “sure!” I’m getting a lot more done AND I’ve even found meaning in life.
Mindfulness has changed my internal struggles. My internal struggles are no longer paralyzing.
The fact that people went at you so hard because you expressed your opinion on something
Interesting term bed rotting, I am 64 an have used bed rotting my hole life. Your right it is depression but there is a hole lot more to it. Its resetting the clock. Stepping out of the stream and letting the other logs float by that are trying to drag you with them. Its also waiting for inspiration. For something thing that gets you excited. Getting rid of the brain fog. Once you hit bottom the only way is up.
Thank you for this! As a person that has struggled with depression, and also taken care of people who actually did become unhealthy by choosing bed-rotting a few years ago- now they have lost some of their functionality and mobility and need assistance-- you are spot on 😬
I have been doing this once a day for years or else I cannot face the work week. I am diagnosed with both depression AND anxiety. I am productive six days a week and see nothing wrong with taking a complete and utter break for an entire day
Why is isolation and not talking looked on so negatively?
extroverts are celebrated.
and introverts are weird and outcasts? This past pandemic i revelled in the extrovert world getting a taste of introversion [ and being unable to handle it. ]
I take sunday as a complete rest day. I work in a public service job all week. Where its non stop interaction with customers and coworkers. If i wanna take a single day (always a Sunday) to shut the world out and just stay in bed listening to music and playing on a app theres nothing wrong with that. And yes i most certainly have experienced depression and anxiety and i beat it. I could think of worse habits to engage in like drug and alcohol abuse rather than chilling in my bed for one day. I get up the other 6 and live life just fine thanks to that one day where the world outside can deal without me for a day 😀
extroverts are celebrated: maybe side-effect of capitalism? introverts spend less money by staying at home? advertising encourages "doing something" (go out and spend money)?
I don't think the thing is to be or not extrovert ( but i agree with you with the over celebration to be an extrovert). Even an introvert need socialisation. It's a human's need for all of us. Not at the same degree, yes... Introvert need more rest, but they enjoy have friends, go outside, be active, when they don't have mental health struggles. I was like you with a very buzzy work where i had a lot of interactions and i was exhausted and needed, exactly like you, to do nothing when I didn't work.
It didn't end very well. I did a burn out, had depression, very high anxiety and then a cancer... but it was not because I'm an introvert. It was because i worked too hard, in a very precarious way, without recognize i had mental and physic health struggles... social anxiety and EDS and chronic pains.
be careful... one day, perhaps, it' not a day off you will need. But one year off, or more... and I don't want that happen to you the way it happened to me...
Bed rotting? Ya’ll are silly. It’s called rotting, rot=waste and deterioration, and how can that be healthy? I’ve had to lay in bed for days with nothing but the internet or a book to entertain me after I had a spinal procedure. It’s super lame. I hate it so much. I try to study interest things but even a day on the computer makes me cranky and unhappy. I have better things I want to do with my life. The only person I ever knew do this was a woman I worked with. She worked 80 hours a week, took care of her grandchild and burnt out by Sunday where she would lay in bed exhausted not able to move. After a year, her health deteriorated and while she made the money she wanted she eventually quit her job to do something easier from home. Lucky she was able to secure a great salary and is much happier. If anyone did this 15 years ago it would have been called depression and sadness, not self-care. Laying around all day online is bad for your mind and your body. It will make it harder to sleep because you aren’t using your body to burn off excess energy, and you are also making the connection that the bed isn’t for sleeping but for scrolling. That will also affect your sleep. These trends are just for people who refuse to be educated it sounds like to me. Telling a mental health professional on her Chanel to mind her business sounds like someone who has given no real thought to anything. Probably a symptom of bed rotting = brain rotting.
Prolonged bed rotting especially when combined with insomnia and disrupted work is unhealthy and can be a sign of grief /depression.
Katie is spot on with her points and questions.
I had all the problems you mentioned along with excessive sleep and low mood at one time and yes, I had a bout of depression which responded amazingly well to antidepressants.
But years later after working 3 years in a job that demanded working at night, I took two weeks of annual leave to study for my exams. The first thing I did was to sleep day and night except for food and toilet breaks for 3 days.
Refreshed, I got on with my studies for the rest of the 2 weeks and passed the exam easily.
So yes, I had experience of both healthy and unhealthy bedrotting.
But this is the first time I am seeind a good video on this topic.😊
Very interesting video. Enjoyed this different perspective on 'bed rotting'. Also, your shirt matches your eye color EXACTLY
laying in bed all day is KEY when you are exhausted and need a break.
NOT all the time
ONCE AND A WHILE
This sounds like a natural response to a hostile world. The world is not welcoming and offers nothing that humans need. I've spent excessive time in bed for (time redacted), and it just gets you by at best. But there is nothing really enticing in interacting with the world. Sure, rest can be imperative (and is for some people), but I really can't imagine choosing a day in bed as making things better- it just suggests complete disconnection from the hostile world, but a good life seems to be able to have some good relationship to the world. The real problem is that if "good" parts of life are out of the world, the fact is that life is simply not worthwhile and will never feel so. Eventually, you get dragged into the world, which can still only be viewed as a hostile event, which reinforces the cycle. If you do it for some time and then get up ready and excited for engagement with the world, that's probably a good sign you are engaging in rest, but bed rot probably isn't it, chiefs.
I want to believe there is a good way to have positive experiences in the world, but I still haven't really found anything. Nothing entices me, nothing seems even an option (especially for social engagement which is completely barren). I have been more physically active, and it makes the world seem more bearable, but I still don't have a positive reason to want to go out in the world. Worse, as an adult, there is not really much in the way of finding good opportunities.
The cell phone is a BIG piece of this puzzle.!!!! I'm guessing based on my own habits 😢
Yeah, but my oldest Uncle used to bedrot even before cellphones was a thing. He used cartoon papers and radio instead. Sometimes a good old book. He was depressed during great periods of his older life up until the end of it.
It simply gives me time to 'switch off' my brain from the world to regroup.
I work 3 days a week and spend the other 4 in bed.
I know it's my depression but can't get out of it, it's been two years
I spend so much time in bed
It’s a habit learned from being a workaholic
I get my home nice work done finances in tact
THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY SELF
I have a boat beautiful cars a dog ( which I walk daily)
An love of prayer.🙏🏻
Still I spend alot of time in bed and im a BED ROTTER I’ve only heard this term on this video
Thanks for covering this, Kati. I agree with you.
Thank you for such an informative video. Please do more about this subject ❤
I have major depression and I’ve been “bed rotting” for years. I’ve always used it as a form of escape, and recognise it as an unhealthy coping mechanism I need to change. Now when I feel “peopled out”, I try to disappear into the bush by myself to walk and recharge. But “bed rotting” is my go to, my very bad habit.
thanks ! Very useful ! I didn't know about bed rotting but it was what i have done since the death of my father ( 2 years ago) . I struggled a lot to say I was depressed because I didn't feel sad or hopeless. I "only" struggle" to do basic things in the day... But, it has been only 5 or 6 weeks i decided to try to take riding lessons. I used to ride horses when i was young and i enjoyed a lot to go in trail in the wood. So, since the first lesson, ( where I ride, yes, but where I walk in the nature, not only for one hour, but during a full afternoon), my sleep is a lot better, my mood is better during a few days after the lesson... I give me the desire to walk again in a forest.
I was scared, at first, to have to relearn, from the beginning, how to ride because i have physic troubles, i have chronic pains and social anxiety... but it's worth it to go outside, to enjoy again, evan if i'm exhausted after that and have pain sometimes...
An other exemples. I have two computers. One in my sitting room, i had to wake up, to walk to use iti. The other one is a labtop i can use in my bed... Even i f i don't go outside, days are better when i used the first computer than if i use the labtop... I see light, i take care of my cats, i do some household chores. It's not perfect because i don't go outside, but it's better... i have less pain, for example. It's not always easy, sometimes brain fog is very hard to manage and i can give up one day, but i try to not to fall back in that " bed rotting".
I "bed rot" on the weekends because I'm a closeted autistic queer with no support system or will to live.
I spent 16-20 hours a day in bed for several months in a row If not more. I wasnt doing this for self care I was 100% depressed. I dont even think I really talked to my therapist about it until I was ready to make a change and get out of bed more.
What do you do if you've become physically disabled to the point of being primarily bed bound and "bed rotting" has inadvertently become your normal? I try to read and communicate with people online but I know I am depressed and severely burnt out. Any activity takes all my energy. I'm generally treatment resistant. It seems like this is just kind of my fate.
That would drive me batty and my dog would not allow that luckly..
Really interesting topic. Great you bring it up!
I think you're right, staying in bed all day doesn't make me feel better in a long run, it just lets me hide form some things that could make me feel worse. The problem is, I never PLAN to stay in bed all day, it just kinds of happens, hour after hour I'll postpone things I should be or was planning on doing, and then it's suddenly evening. How do get out of this spiral?
I wonder too, for myself. That's why I went to health care for this habbit and for other issues. The whole autumn has been a long wait. But now they finally have begun mapping my issues. And I'll eventually stand in que for NPF-diagnosis after the mapping.
I totally agree with you Kati, sadly people who are not conscious about these issues treat them like a treat and I believe 99.99% of them have no insight on this matter. Just like people who don't take responsibility say "that's how god wanted it to be" or something like that, which is so unhealthy in my opinion in this situation.
What’s it be a complex thing is coming up from hormonal disruption, social economic change, loss of loved one, high toxicity of a whole body, lack of exercise, as a result of lack of balance between work and rest. Etc…..
I'm an introvert. I have a hard time being around people for long periods of time. However, I had to choose to work and provide for my kiddos and myself. Soooo....as backwards as it seems....I reward myself with..."Get A,B, C and hopefully D done....then you can climb into my jammies, grab my favorite food, my earbuds and then my favorite shows. All of this happens after the kiddos are sound asleep. I last MAYBE 90 minutes....then I'm sound asleep. The point is...I never want my past traumas to control me....I never want to be depressed LIKE THAT again. I've worked really hard. That's not me anymore. But self care...that's my alone time in my bed with my most scandalous shows or youtube crime videos. So...call me what you want....but I am living now....not wanting to be in someone else's life by escaping via hiding in my bed..which became more uncomfortable than walmart by the end. ❤
I would suggest seeing a medical doctor and having some lab tests done before considering a mental health resource. With the poor health most Americans have including their poor nutrition because of highly processed foods, there are a number of medical issues that can contribute to almost all items on the checklist for depression. Even hopelessness. When you haven't been feeling good and you're suffering from a lot of stress and external things, it impacts you physically and emotionally. Chronic pain is one big example. Fatigue is another. Not feeling any better day after day leads to hopelessness and no counseling is going to fix those problems. Next, see a mental health provider to support you in your journey to whole health.
I have been pioneering the practice of sofa rotting.
I switch between bed and sofa every few hours.
Hey! Me too! I can see my garden and it's quite lovely.❤
Danger! I was doing this for years as a hard working professional wife and mother and managed my harmful working week by ‘bed rotting’ on weekends. I gained weight, it robbed me of joyful and important family time with my adolescent and now adult children that can never be recovered and it affected my social
Life in general. It set me up for the worst possible extended Covid hospitalisation that came close to killing me and has left me physically impaired.
I did not feel objectively depressed - just numb, anhedonic - loss of interest in things that were previously pleasurable.
Yes, the only way of dealing with stress - it’s as important to identify and address the causes as it is develop alternative ways to manage stress.
comfort is the enemy of progress and getting way too comfortable for your own good makes it even worse.
Sleep is my only escape.
Exactly.
excessive dependence on recognizably temporary measures is not great
theyre stop gaps, not safe spaces to live in..
find balance in all things, control yourself, monitor yourself actively, rather than hoping it sorts itself out passively
I can't help but agree with you within the 1st minute. Then ask you to read two different reasons for it to be a way of self-care and other. 1. If we re-label and see it as recharging. I know that some with Autism because of masking needs some amount of extreme bed rest.
2. Any time we are hurt, sick physically, or had surgery to help heal we should do extreme bed rest. Why not when this is mental, emotional; sick, tryed, had emotional/mental surgery (break-up or loss of a love-one), a bad illness (takes a total on your mental health), a different stage in life, and giving up a dream/(grief of a lost dream).
3. In past history in some culture people who could would truly rest after the birth of a baby, ( About 40 days, some even without bathing). So heavy resting seen in a positive light might truly help ❣️
Seeing in the ways you explained so far not so good.
I think aspiring to living a balanced life that embraces the very real need for rest and downtime is crucial for everyone’s mental and physical health. We don’t need to have our kids constantly involved in sports or other activities. We’re running ourselves ragged and for what? A slower more restful peaceable more frugal lifestyle is very much needed and in order.
i would have never thought about this as a trend. i experience it as a "freeze", and i can't get on my day until it stops feeling that way
I regularly bed rot, I know it's not good but am doing it as I'm watching this
The things people from all walks of life are struggling with after the whole covid trauma amaze me more and more with each passing day.. humanity is not recovering well 😢
I literally answered yes to every question asked I did try to seek a mental health professional and was told to go see my doctor the receptionist at my doctor told me to see a mental health specialist. The constant phoning around isn’t helping me.
I use a powerchair in the community. The first thing that I, and many full-time wheelchair users, do after a long day of commuting and dealing with unclean and possibly inaccessible bathrooms, is bedrot for a little (maybe 30 minutes, maybe a few hours). I don't have, and have never had, an affective/depression illness, but I do have an anxiety disorder as per the DSM-IV-TR, which is my preferred version of the diagnostic manual. Thank you for sharing your opinion on the Internet.
Or we just don't feel like doing anything like not caring but without being depressed but having no desire..
That's probably hidden depression or anxiety, or burn out.
Or unable to take any initiatives by one self.
Unveiling Your Hidden Potential by Bruce Thornwood (thank me later)
I'm half dead from a car crash. Mabye if my knee fixed I can be more active.
Having a bed rot day should be a special occasion that happens very rarely and something you can plan for if you want!
I agree. But then I have major depression.
Thank you.
My depression beggs for me to spend my days off in bed, "babying" myself for the full 24hrs. Fortunately, my German shepherd/husky, would never allow it😅
The sad reality of this is that we stay in bed all day to escape from bad habits, i.e overeating, drinking, spending recklessly, binge-watching... if we're not already doing this while IN bed.
Since I’ve graduated I’ve been bed rotting for along time and the shit I’ve been through isn’t helping but I have a hard time going to sleep or a hard time waking up and I’ve still heartbroken over past partners and so many other shit and this November I want to try and do a 30 day challenge and start stretching then move on to exercising and I love u and your videos
As someone who laid in bed for 3 years and did absolutely nothing all day every day, then had a heart attack at the age of 32. I can attest that bed rotting is exactly as it sounds. I had to come to the realization that my Schizoaffective disorder and ADHD was the reason I'll never be successful or steady at work because I was raised to work hard and not ask for help. It's very hard to accept that you keep losing careers even after trudging through swamps and working 12 hour days lifting 80 pounds 425 times a day. People who worked as hard as I did in my 20's should be somewhat successful. At least be able to have a truck, a house and a family but nope...this guy got screwed out of everything. No credit, no loans, no money and I made great choices. No success whatsoever and nobody cares. I get a brain that acts like a meth head whenever I get stressed out from working or just living.
Yep, we are so many people who can relate! 😢💓
But I know of people with ADHD that has started working on an online business instead, like selling and marketing really good natural health psoducts with great quality. And they can get around by it, doing what they like.
Modified "bed rotting" once a week is actually nice and necessary for me. Because I'm widowed with a child and my work is never done. Literally, never done. I call it the sabbath. It's a needed day of rest for me. I wouldn't advise staying in bed all day because you need to get up to eat nourishing meals, use the bathroom, and practice the minimum of personal hygiene and that's impossible staying in your bed.
I think if you can manage to stay in bed all day and neglect all the things that really need to be done to maintain your health something is probably going on that you need to look at.
I've been "bed rotting" since before it was even a term. I basically live in freeze mode from chronic anxiety, CPTSD, OCD, BPD, AvPD and anhedonic depression.
I didn't always sleep all day as a normal routine. If I stayed in bed ALL DAY years and years ago, it would have felt WRONG, like I was really sick.
These days, I go to bed around 4am. Night time is the only time I get to myself. I then sleep all day, waking up (properly) at about 4pm. Then I scroll my phone for about an hour before getting up and moving to the couch and laying there until I go to bed again. I literally exist, not live.
I also am basically jetlagging myself. I am always tired and can't even focus enough to read a magazine article. Due to the anhedonia, I enjoy nothing much and being unconscious / half asleep is my only relief, comfort and escape. I have zero appetite and haven't had any for over 7 years. If I was not asleep, I would just lay on the couch all day, bored, extra depressed, irritable, tense, and I'd end up falling asleep anyway.
I don't care about being productive. I've never had any goals or ambitions. I just need relief.
Wish I could just lay around. Who pays the bills?
@@elduende2891 Me. Just barely. And I really don't think you want my life. I sleep 12+ hours a day to avoid everything and get relief. You wish for that?
I am sorry you are having such a hard time.
@santievandermerwe Thank you.
I am the same as you. Thank Dog for my dogs as they require feeding and walking. Without them I have no purpose.
the thing i’ve learned about depression and all mental health related things is if you do not actively prioritize your own mental health needs in better ways than bed rotting and doom scrolling then you will be depressed for literally ever. it doesn’t just go away. it takes a lot.
This "trend" comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of what bed rotting is. Bed rotting is being physically incapable of leaving your bed due to poor mental health because of loneliness, depression, anxiety, etc. It's definitely not something to be viewed positively. Many people from online mental health circles I've been who have engaged in bed rotting would never describe it as something relaxing or fun at all. I feel like this term was co-opted by people who don't really understand it and just think it's some "fun thing" that people enjoy doing when in reality, it's something that happens when someone loses their will to do even the most basic of things.
So from my point. Doing nothing all day is okay if combined with awarness of why & not in bed.
Bed is for sleep & sex.
Not to say I don't read or watch youtube, etc in bed. But am also aware this affects my sleep & am aware of it & choose to be okay with it.
So choosing to watch anime & snack & be comfy for a good part of day or even reading can be relaxing.
But also still able to pay bills or get stuff done if need be. And not more than for a day or two. It gets boring being in bed for longer periods & can be depression
Hi, Kati. I just had my gallbladder removed. I had 0.7-inch gallstones, dealing with debilitating nausea for years. The last few months before surgery, I felt so sick in the mornings that I stopped taking my Strattera and Wellbutrin. I felt fine but with the holidays and winter approaching and the meds wearing off, depressive symptoms were creeping back in. After getting my gallbladder removed and some digestive rest, I started taking my morning psych meds again. I know it will take months for the Strattera to fully accumulate so I’m trying to remember that when my mood is low.
I feel like it is unhealthy, for me. In a rare instances I'll spend a day in bed. I have depression, so I have to be careful. I do take naps of like an hour to get through the evening.
I exercise in VR, and I have a small apartment. I built a Murphy bed so I can move more. But I found that if the bed is up, I have less impulse to hang in my room. I mean it would only take 30 seconds to put the bed back down, but I just don't. So building the bed had another advantage for me.
Hanging out in bed just makes me sore, and isolative. In the last few years my depression has alleviated. I have learned to enjoy my life.
Great video
I think you will find it is the Chinese youth saying we have had enough of trying so hard and not achieving anything.
For a day, can be a good break.. more than that, l find that I ache and feel tired.. I suspect that can cause a downward spiral if not caught early
I’m watching this as I bed rot.
For me, I can have this as part of my ME/CFS (which I can't control....I have to sleep when I crash) or I am in the "freeze response" if my PTSD is triggered. Could also be sign of catatonic depression. Not sure if these would be considered "bed rotting" as many chronic conditions cause a need to sleep more. ME/CFS is a strong example.
I can’t imagine staying in bed the whole day, my brain would drive me insane with all the things I’d WANT to do! The only days I want to stay in bed are when I’m not well or truly too tired to do my hobbies anymore