Hi odon, I have a view about Abdul Malik Coin. Can you review. Abdul Malik's second most famous Coin is the Man with a Sword. The coin was issued in response to Justinian issued Coin having image of Jesus in 692. The response of Abd al Malik was Coin having a Man with a sword. In normal case anybody would assume the image as Abd al Malik's image. But what would Abd al Malik gain with his portrait in response to Jesus image by Justinian? My argument is the picture was represenation of Jesus. The sword in the Coin is a double edged sword. Its having apocalyptic meaning of second coming of Jesus with double edged sword. There are icons of Jesus with double edged sword even now. So the Abd al Malik coin is actually depicting Jesus with a double edged sword in response to Justinian coin of Jesus with a cross in the back ground. Now the backside of the coin shows a steady pole over the foundation steps instead of cross. What does it mean? The steps are symbol of Golgoltha in Christianity. So the Pole over the Steps is having theological meaning. It makes it clear that the Jesus who was crucified in the Golgoltha is having a single nature ie Monophysite. Another coin shows a circle embedded over this pole. It shows the humanity of Jesus was fully depended on his Divinity. The coin was theological than mere political.
Vous avez le sous-titrage automatique fait par UA-cam, et vous avez de plus une présentation en Français sur ma chaine ("Jésus dans le proto-islam") très similaire à celle-ci
Please arab Christian are not only in Jordan. Why neglect it other arabic Christian in Iraq , Egypt Lebanon? Why the west and Muslims neglect it those these Christian and try to wipe them from historical memories?
@@OdonLafontaine Dear Oden thanks for your reply, I would like to hear more how the Christian of Iraq reacted to early Islam. Because I have a few references about them. I Iraqi Christian i know little much about my history as Iraqi Christian. Thanks again for your lecture and you and Jay.
@@Youhnanbinzacharia I do not know much. I have some demographic studies showing how there were very few "muslims" at the beginning. But there wasn't any real "islam" before the Abbasids I also know from chaldean traditions that the Iraqi Christians kept on transmitting their oral aramaic traditions throughout Islam's domination and persecutions (like the cutting of the women's tongues, as they were the ones who taught the oral traditions)
@@OdonLafontaine but how these few Muslims overwhelmed the majority of Christian population and when this happened exactly? Please I f you have any information you can share it to get much understanding about spread of Islam in Iraq and surrounding area. Thanks again Odon.
@@OdonLafontaine I mean the Governor of the city state in which it was minted. I Have in mind a thesis put forward in ... Goodwin, T. 2012. The Chronology of the Umayyad Imperial Image Coinage. Progress over the Last 10 Years. In, idem (ed), Arab-Byzantine Coins and History: Papers Presented at the 13th Seventh Century Syrian Numismatic Round Table held at Corpus Christi College Oxford on 11th and 12th September 2011: 89-108. London. This is in the first part, section 4 of the paper "The Governors Sa'id and Muhammad". The examples given in Goodwin's paper are of Arab Byzantine coins only. In your talk, you have also noted the word Muhammad on a Arab Sassanian coin in the context of the full phrase MHMD RSL LLH which of course cannot reference a Governor's name.
is to be and is being ... praised (or coveted acc. to the hebrew sense) is not the same. Muhammad in arabic is the past participle (being praised), not the jussive mood (shall, is to be praised).
Actually, I think it does not mean "praise" but "desire", "covet". The "praise" meaning came with the invention of the Standard Islamic Narrative. Anyhow, mu-hammad means "the one who has been praised and keeps on being praised" (or desired), so, in a sense, he also is to be praised (or desired)
@@OdonLafontaine al-hamd is the praise. I dont think the changed even that one too. only the meaning in hebrew is beloved, desired. in aramaic the root HMD doesnt seem to exist.
Even according to Islamic tradition Allah is not strictly Islamic and was used pre Islam to refer to the god the creator, letters in pre Islamic Arabia used to begin with bismikallahum, meaning in your name the one god.
Y a-t-il des érudits musulmans qui contestent les conclusions qu'on peut tirer de cette étude des pièces de monnaie attestant qu'il n'y a pas à proprement parler d'islam véritable au 7ème siècle et si oui quels sont leurs arguments pour contester ces évidences ? S'il n'est pas encore enregistré, peut-être pourriez-vous évoquer cette question dans le prochain épisode car il est toujours sain lorsqu'on développe une thèse de déconstruire aussi l'antithèse s'il y en a une. Mais bon, c'est vrai qu'il n'ont pas tellement d'autre possibilité que de nier des symbolismes historiquement reconnus, il ne doivent pas avoir trop envie d'épiloguer logiquement.
Oui. Vous pouvez le lire sur islamic awareness, ou bien le voir sur la chaine de Yasir Qadhi Les arguments : 1) le déni 2) ce n'est pas parce qu'on fait frapper des pièces chrétiennes avec des croix ou des pièces zoroastriennes qu'on n'est pas un calife musulman 3) quand il y a marqué "bism allah" sur une pièce, c'est forcément que le souverain qu'il l'a fait frapper était un bon musulman Vous noterez la contradiction entre 2 et 3, mais cela ne les arrête pas pour autant...
Oh, I get it! We are supposed to believe that praying in somebody else's church/temple/synagogue/mosque is against the rules!
Hi odon, I have a view about Abdul Malik Coin. Can you review.
Abdul Malik's second most famous Coin is the Man with a Sword. The coin was issued in response to Justinian issued Coin having image of Jesus in 692.
The response of Abd al Malik was Coin having a Man with a sword. In normal case anybody would assume the image as Abd al Malik's image. But what would Abd al Malik gain with his portrait in response to Jesus image by Justinian? My argument is the picture was represenation of Jesus. The sword in the Coin is a double edged sword. Its having apocalyptic meaning of second coming of Jesus with double edged sword. There are icons of Jesus with double edged sword even now. So the Abd al Malik coin is actually depicting Jesus with a double edged sword in response to Justinian coin of Jesus with a cross in the back ground.
Now the backside of the coin shows a steady pole over the foundation steps instead of cross. What does it mean? The steps are symbol of Golgoltha in Christianity. So the Pole over the Steps is having theological meaning. It makes it clear that the Jesus who was crucified in the Golgoltha is having a single nature ie Monophysite. Another coin shows a circle embedded over this pole. It shows the humanity of Jesus was fully depended on his Divinity. The coin was theological than mere political.
Vous pouviez au moins faire un sous-titres en français
Vous avez le sous-titrage automatique fait par UA-cam, et vous avez de plus une présentation en Français sur ma chaine ("Jésus dans le proto-islam") très similaire à celle-ci
@@OdonLafontaine je n'aurai pas fait ce commentaire si il y avait le sous titrage de UA-cam en français (c'est en anglais).
Please arab Christian are not only in Jordan. Why neglect it other arabic Christian in Iraq , Egypt Lebanon? Why the west and Muslims neglect it those these Christian and try to wipe them from historical memories?
Because those countries are not Arab countries. I was speaking only of "Arab Christians", not "Arabic speaking Christians"
@@OdonLafontaine Dear Oden thanks for your reply, I would like to hear more how the Christian of Iraq reacted to early Islam. Because I have a few references about them. I Iraqi Christian i know little much about my history as Iraqi Christian. Thanks again for your lecture and you and Jay.
@@Youhnanbinzacharia I do not know much. I have some demographic studies showing how there were very few "muslims" at the beginning. But there wasn't any real "islam" before the Abbasids
I also know from chaldean traditions that the Iraqi Christians kept on transmitting their oral aramaic traditions throughout Islam's domination and persecutions (like the cutting of the women's tongues, as they were the ones who taught the oral traditions)
@@OdonLafontaine but how these few Muslims overwhelmed the majority of Christian population and when this happened exactly? Please I f you have any information you can share it to get much understanding about spread of Islam in Iraq and surrounding area. Thanks again Odon.
@@Youhnanbinzacharia Egypt was majority Christian until the 12th century.
Could the name Muhammad on the coin be the name of the mint official?
"Mint official"? You mean the head of the mint facility?
@@OdonLafontaine I mean the Governor of the city state in which it was minted. I Have in mind a thesis put forward in ... Goodwin, T. 2012. The Chronology of the Umayyad Imperial Image Coinage. Progress over the Last 10 Years. In, idem (ed), Arab-Byzantine Coins and History: Papers Presented at the 13th Seventh Century Syrian Numismatic Round Table held at Corpus Christi College Oxford on 11th and 12th September 2011: 89-108. London. This is in the first part, section 4 of the paper "The Governors Sa'id and Muhammad". The examples given in Goodwin's paper are of Arab Byzantine coins only. In your talk, you have also noted the word Muhammad on a Arab Sassanian coin in the context of the full phrase MHMD RSL LLH which of course cannot reference a Governor's name.
is to be and is being ... praised (or coveted acc. to the hebrew sense) is not the same.
Muhammad in arabic is the past participle (being praised), not the jussive mood (shall, is to be praised).
Actually, I think it does not mean "praise" but "desire", "covet". The "praise" meaning came with the invention of the Standard Islamic Narrative.
Anyhow, mu-hammad means "the one who has been praised and keeps on being praised" (or desired), so, in a sense, he also is to be praised (or desired)
@@OdonLafontaine al-hamd is the praise. I dont think the changed even that one too. only the meaning in hebrew is beloved, desired. in aramaic the root HMD doesnt seem to exist.
Even according to Islamic tradition Allah is not strictly Islamic and was used pre Islam to refer to the god the creator, letters in pre Islamic Arabia used to begin with bismikallahum, meaning in your name the one god.
Allah was and still is the name used by Arab Christians
Y a-t-il des érudits musulmans qui contestent les conclusions qu'on peut tirer de cette étude des pièces de monnaie attestant qu'il n'y a pas à proprement parler d'islam véritable au 7ème siècle et si oui quels sont leurs arguments pour contester ces évidences ? S'il n'est pas encore enregistré, peut-être pourriez-vous évoquer cette question dans le prochain épisode car il est toujours sain lorsqu'on développe une thèse de déconstruire aussi l'antithèse s'il y en a une. Mais bon, c'est vrai qu'il n'ont pas tellement d'autre possibilité que de nier des symbolismes historiquement reconnus, il ne doivent pas avoir trop envie d'épiloguer logiquement.
Oui. Vous pouvez le lire sur islamic awareness, ou bien le voir sur la chaine de Yasir Qadhi
Les arguments :
1) le déni
2) ce n'est pas parce qu'on fait frapper des pièces chrétiennes avec des croix ou des pièces zoroastriennes qu'on n'est pas un calife musulman
3) quand il y a marqué "bism allah" sur une pièce, c'est forcément que le souverain qu'il l'a fait frapper était un bon musulman
Vous noterez la contradiction entre 2 et 3, mais cela ne les arrête pas pour autant...
More videos in English please
I have an English YT channel here: www.youtube.com/@thegreatsecretofislam1576
there is Al-lah and Elahah according to the shaada
The lost children of God..😅
Unfortunately this fellow speaks too much, and do not give enough to O. Lafontaine to speak
Follow Christianity and stop spewing negativity.
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Odon and Jay are following Christianity which teaches us to study, investigate, reasearch and question anything before believing anything.
Hamid go climb under a rock if you cannot accept facts