Thank you! aging is such a surprise and a new adventure and not always in a good way. Thanks to you I am able to sit,& rise & now confidently explore things that have been lost to me under my bed😊
Marvelous video. I meet so many people who are unable to get down to the floor and get back up again, through various reasons. Often there is a fear of slipping when on ice and not being able to get up again, I think learning how to get up before you fall in an essential requisite to prepare you for the event! If only we knew about Feldenkrais techniques years ago! You are providing a life enhancing service, thank you Robert
Awesome. I have trouble getting up and down, and need assistance because I get stuck. Tried both the sitting to standing and the sitting on the floor and back up. Worked a treat first time. Thank you so much for taking the trouble to make and share your videos.
This may sound rather silly but I have a dog who is handicapped therefore I sleep on the floor so avoid further injury to the dog. No jumping up and down on the bed for the dog. Afterward, I suffered a back injury and now use your method to get in and out of bed. Thank you for helping me to train my body to do what it needs to do. Keep up the good work!!!
YOU are worthy of being an honorary dog! I've always said that dog love is pure love, not many humans can measure up, and too many can't even fathom such a thing. Bless you. >> Tom's wife Pam
Thank you soooo much. I have been in a wheel chair for a year and now am having trouble with my wrist and shoulders now that my legs hip and knees are not working. Once I did it this way it was so much easier, thank you!
Beautiful presentation. Clear, easy to follow instructions. I can do this easily and effortlessly. Will pass on to my students. Thanks for creating this great video.
I just tried this. Going down was good but getting up I rocked back and fell backwards hitting my head on a cabinet. Not hurt at all but I will have to be more careful. I'm 73 and a bit overweight by 20 lbs so my balance needs work. I had great success getting up from a chair after watching the video on how to get up and down from a chair. Thank you for these instructions.
Try to spend intentional time for 5minutes each day for 2weeks. Don’t rush it, go slowly and add a little bit at a time to avoid straining your knees and hips.
Thank you so much for your videos showing solutions for problems that I face daily. I've been practicing getting up from a chair and sitting down in one according to your recommendations, and it's working. Next, I'll work on the topic of this video.
I'd like to suggest, for heavy people who have trouble finding the strength to raise themselves on their hands placed on the floor, use a step stool, not too high, under the hands and arms. This gives a "boost" and makes it easier to get your legs under you to stand. Thanks very much for these movement lessons, I have used the chair idea and it helps so much!
To circumvent pain spot in the low back spine, inadvertently I found myself guiding my body to lie down in the same way ; wow , you just made it into a studied physiological manouver ; wonderful, verily like a byelane to stealthily enter one's own home from the backdoor. Ha ha ! Your video has added studied conviction to my casual strategem. Let me share with you my mental picture of myself as I am carrying myself through this sea anemone like movement : I visualize myself floating in a soup of ether ( the sky element), which pervades the entire cellular and inter cellular space within me. Moving with the forever power of the mighty ether is what you are talking about. Fantastic, keep up the good job ! 💐👍👍👍❤️
im over weight in my tummy,so when i try this,my tummy is in my way,im losing weight,and when my belly is gone,this will be the way i get down to the floor to back up again,thank you
Hi, I'm going to give this a try. I'm very heavy ,have a lower back problem (the weight gain came after the back problem) and following a brain tumour, I am paralyzed from my left knee down. There must be a way I can get up on my own safely. Blessings
That's my problem too, my knees are totally shot from sports when I was younger. I would need to be on a thickly padded area or it would be just too painful and I would pay the price for many days afterwards.
I'm 70f. My knees are bad due to worn cartilage, so the kneeling part is painful for me. And none of my floors are carpeted either. It takes a deep breath and gritted teeth to do this, but it does work.
I have double knee replacement and physician directions to never kneel. I'm a plus-size woman who's reasonably fit but I don't know that I'll ever be able to comfortable get onto/off the floor again. Do you have any suggestions?
A couple of possibilities come to mind. Please remember that I don't know you or health status, so this just discusses two general possibilites. First, it's possible to simply pivot to the side just before your knees would touch down and you'll end up sitting, but facing mostly in the opposite direction you were facing when you started. To get back up reverse the movement coming onto all fours without your knees touching the floor, then just "walk" your hands back and return to the original standing position. This is a lot like the movement in my UA-cam video "Spiral to Floor," but you would be using two hands instead of one. And please, please learn to do this in gradual steps, making sure you can do each stage without holding your breath. Make sure the movement is reversible at any stage. If can't simply put it in reverse and get back onto your feet without struggle your could risk falling onto your knees or something else. Hope this helps. Robert
@@ginna461I don’t store things in the backs of lower cabinets. Or have someone else get it for me if anyone happens to be at home with me. Which is not often.
I'm finding that I use something nearby to leverage getting down to give the dog a belly rub. She looks forward to that daily. I will slide a stool over just to get leverage back up. This technique is much better. I do remember this is similar to stretching exercises for the back. I'm going to start using this. Too much time at the desk, gained weight and not enough gym days. Thanks.
The point at which I have trouble is in applying any pressure to my knees, and now have moderate arthritis in my hips. Guess Im gping to have to start studying Feldenkrais. Thank you!
I wish I could do that, but I have myotonic muscular dystrophy type 2 and my thighs and upper arms have very little strength. I was hoping this might be something I could do, but I'm not sure how.
I need a double shoulder replacement which I'm not quite ready for. I can't use my shoulders the way she can. So I would need another method. Also I am plus sized with touchy knees.
Very good tips. You mind sharing. Tip of getting out of bed, I have been challanges immense with back pain, causing more stress and making it worse. That has help Spirally raising ,what about getting out of bed with back pain,, how , Robert, it would be very helpful not to have to take a look. Sorry for the way I wtite
I need info, ASAP for my muscle pull in my back. I am had too much difficulty gettin out of bed to urinate, getting off the floor i can take my time, butt getting out of bed walking to the bath room was/is VERY hard.
I have arthritis in my knees...so weight on them is iffy....but I'll try it. I use downward facing dog to get up because of the extreme bending of the knees in your video...thanks
Plz address how I can get up out of that deep squat. After my open heart surgery I discovered that my back leg muscles had atrophied. If I squat down to get something from the bottom shelf, anywhere including a store, I can’t always rely on my legs being able to propel me up from the squat to a stand. I’m only 60 but have several issues, & would appreciate help. Once I tried getting up & my back leg muscles suddenly gave out leaving me laying on the floor in the middle of a store. I was ...shocked.
Hi! I female and I am 70. My back is fused from T9 to S1, with scoliosis rod. I cannot touch the floor in this manner. I also have leg weakness and cannot get up from the floor. Do you have a method for people like me?
Darlene, this is more difficult with the spinal rods you have and it absolutely requires avoiding using your back to do the movement. The motion has to do with softening hip joints and knees, then returning to stand by bringing your hips under you. Many, many people try to use their lower back as a hinge when reaching towards the floor and it is, even in otherwise healthy people, a poor hinge. Hip joints are great hinges and allow more motion without overloading the low back. I would think leg weakness is more the limiting factor, which requires strengthening to help ourselves. Even so, the muscles that move the hip joints are a better source of power than just the thigh muscles. I developed this movement years ago while working with a 95 year-old lady with back problems and was very weak in her legs with atrophied muscles. I wish I could help more, but without seeing you in action I can't know where this breaks down for you. Best wishes . . .
Here is another video of mine. Maybe this would work for you? Cut and paste it into your browser. ua-cam.com/video/MwWDNCJo6-8/v-deo.html If this link gives you trouble just look for the video called "Spiral to the Floor." Let us know if that works for you.
Donna, that would be a nice thing to do, but I have no idea how to do it. My tech-savvy is pretty marginal, I'm afraid. Sorry, I mean no disrespect for hearing impaired people, but it's beyond my tech ability at present.
So, did you do the lesson like Ellen did? Meaning, just barely start the movement towards the floor, then stop and come back up? That's the place in the lesson where we learn if there is any point in the motion when we lose reversibility. If you take the time to learn that you can stop the movement and return from any point in the motion to the floor, you should be able to get back to standing. Now, for some people who may have knee problems, for example, there might be some place in the movement when they can't reverse the movement because of the damage they've suffered. In such cases I would have to see them move to be able to help.
I've had knee replacement and now have some restriction in the knee. I cannot kneel on it, plus cannot bend it more than about 115 degrees. How can I get to and from the floor?
Laurie, you might try experimenting with something like this: 1)Stand with your restricted leg a half-step or so behind your stronger leg. Slowly bring your hands to the floor so you can support yourself on two hands, one knee and the toes of the leg that is more restricted. If you have trouble balancing, place the foot of the restricted leg a bit farther outside, so your stance is wider. Then walk your hands forward just like Ellen shows in the video. You'll get to where you are supported on the floor by two hands, one knee and the toes of the other foot. You can then pivot to the towards the side away from the supporting knee, avoiding putting weight on the injured knee. This will let you pivot to sitting. To get back to standing just reverse the movement. I recommend not bringing your hands to the floor the first time, but do like Ellen demonstrates in the video - bring your hands a bit closer to the floor, then return to standing. If that worked ok, go a little farther with the hands towards the floor and stand again. Doing a little bit more each time lets you practice how to do the movement without losing your balance and falling. Please let me know if this works for you.
Sharon, osteoporosis is not the same for everyone. If you are worried about this you should check with your doctor, physical therapist or other health care practitioner who knows you. And if you continue be sure to do all the small steps leading up to being able to reach to the floor and return. Avoid any impact with the floor or sudden pushing to get back to standing. Be patient, maybe even take several days to work up to the full movement. Good luck, Robert.
Very true. I’m at -2.6 in lumbar spine and osteopenia in femur neck. I think I need a new physical therapist. I am now concerned I wasn’t given good guidance for my combination of degenerative disc disease including spondylollisthesis and OP. Thanks for responding.
hi, just found your channel. i have parkinsons (10) awful years. i have trouble turning over in bed and can’t get up from the floor, usually after a fall. can you help please x
I was in caregiver training and we were working on training a stroke patient with getting up. Roll until you reach something you can safely grab. Use that to sit up. Work up to getting up on your knees. Good leg up to kneel, use your hands on that sturdy surface to help return to standing.
Linda as you observed the person doing this did they try to get down all in one go onto all-fours, or did they take a lot of time to build the motion safely as Ellen shows in the video, starting at about 3min, 18seconds into it? It's not so much a "technique" as it is a way to learn to make a reversible movement in the interest of safety on the way to knowing how to manage your position. Falling usually means we have made a movement too large, or too fast, too soon. Take as much time as needed and improve by small increments, especially if you're prone to falling. Trying to do the finished movement before you have mastered the reversibility can make the movement awkward, difficult or even dangerous. To fall on one's face would usually mean they went to far beyond what they could control and reverse the movement. Don't commit to going lower until you feel balanced and can reverse the movement and return to standing. If the movement goes beyond what you can reverse you will fall and you may have to catch yourself with your hands - which won't feel good and neither will landing on your knees. It's fine to take as long as you need and take it in small segments if necessary. A few short sessions will be much better if you start to get tired or unfocused.
Bill, I have some experience with a stiff knee and also being 71. A few years ago I was skiing and my binding broke, launching me downhill and shattering my right tibial plateau, which is the bottom half of the knee. I was in a brace for many months and I had to adjust how I got up and down, not only from the floor, but from a chair. Obviously, with one leg that doesn't bend, we can't do exactly what Ellen demonstrates here. What I discovered was that I put my stiff, straight leg behind with the toes on the floor and lowered myself down balancing on my hands and the other leg. Then a pivot to the side of the stiff leg had me sitting on the floor, no problem. To get back up, just make the motion in reverse. I think this would be a little easier if one can put weight on the stiff leg, which I could not do for many weeks. Even with modifications, we can adjust if we look for the principles involved and safely experiment with what works for us.
@@spencer4112 - I have had both of my knee joints replaced. Kneeling on any surface firmer/harder than a bed causes extreme pain due to the knee skin and tissue being squashed between the surface and the materials that comprise the prosthetic joints. Is there a technique for getting up off a floor that involves either no or just miniscule time kneeling? If there must be kneeling, using only one knee? I am a female, age 68. Thank you for any assistance you can provide. Additional issues: 1. No longer have any muscle memory to assist in getting up because I have avoided putting myself in situations where I must rise from a floor since 2001 when the first of two hips to be replaced began to noticeable deteriorate. I must carefully think through each step before beginning to rise and I try to always have something to grab hold of as I proceed because I try to go as quickly as possible from kneeling (one knee) to solely on my feet. 2. Have two prosthetic hip joints and two prosthetic knee joints 3. Height: 5' 10" 4. Weight: 240lbs
Wendy, I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. That's a lot of surgery to fix a lot of joint problems. As far as this way of getting to the floor and back, you might be able to adapt the process I described in response to Bill Lee's question last week. I've been pretending I have surgically repaired hips and knees this morning as I explore how you might be able to do this. The best I've found so far is to avoid coming completely onto all fours with weight on my knees. In the video Ellen comes to all-fours, waits, then pivots to one side to sit. If you made this turn earlier, before your knees are bearing much weight you might be able to pivot to the side into the sitting position without much pressure on the knees. Without knowing you I'm limited to speculating, so I hope this idea helps you.
Cindy, I suggested earlier that you email me. I just don't have enough information from the short comments that UA-cam allows to give you individual advice in this way. Email me at feldenkraisandmore@gmail.com and we can learn more. Robert
So simple (and so important), and yet, at age 67, I'd forgotten how to do this many years ago. Thank you so much!
Thank you! aging is such a surprise and a new adventure and not always in a good way. Thanks to you I am able to sit,& rise & now confidently explore things that have been lost to me under my bed😊
THESE ARE SIMPLIFIED TECHNIQUES, LOVE THEM …THANK YOU 🌼🌸🌺
Marvelous video. I meet so many people who are unable to get down to the floor and get back up again, through various reasons. Often there is a fear of slipping when on ice and not being able to get up again, I think learning how to get up before you fall in an essential requisite to prepare you for the event! If only we knew about Feldenkrais techniques years ago! You are providing a life enhancing service, thank you Robert
Robert, great production: organized, informative, interesting, pleasant to watch and most importantly - life changing for me. Kudos and thanks.
Awesome. I have trouble getting up and down, and need assistance because I get stuck. Tried both the sitting to standing and the sitting on the floor and back up. Worked a treat first time. Thank you so much for taking the trouble to make and share your videos.
Thank you for this. I'm 11 years into Parkinsons and this helps me a lot. The rising from the chair video was really helpful as well
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This may sound rather silly but I have a dog who is handicapped therefore I sleep on the floor so avoid further injury to the dog. No jumping up and down on the bed for the dog. Afterward, I suffered a back injury and now use your method to get in and out of bed. Thank you for helping me to train my body to do what it needs to do. Keep up the good work!!!
YOU are worthy of being an honorary dog! I've always said that dog love is pure love, not many humans can measure up, and too many can't even fathom such a thing. Bless you. >> Tom's wife Pam
How do you get back up with 2 artificial knees, artificial hip and a rod in the other hip. Any suggestions?
What if you only have one good leg?
Thank you soooo much. I have been in a wheel chair for a year and now am having trouble with my wrist and shoulders now that my legs hip and knees are not working. Once I did it this way it was so much easier, thank you!
Beautiful presentation. Clear, easy to follow instructions. I can do this easily and effortlessly. Will pass on to my students. Thanks for creating this great video.
Thanks for teaching this lesson so simply and easily. I will share with my students. You're the greatest Robert.
I just tried this. Going down was good but getting up I rocked back and fell backwards hitting my head on a cabinet. Not hurt at all but I will have to be more careful. I'm 73 and a bit overweight by 20 lbs so my balance needs work. I had great success getting up from a chair after watching the video on how to get up and down from a chair. Thank you for these instructions.
If you've got good knees and joints, this is just great. Bad knees and sore inflexible joints and it's just more bs
Try to spend intentional time for 5minutes each day for 2weeks. Don’t rush it, go slowly and add a little bit at a time to avoid straining your knees and hips.
Thank you so much. This technique has helped so very much.
Thank you so much for your videos showing solutions for problems that I face daily. I've been practicing getting up from a chair and sitting down in one according to your recommendations, and it's working. Next, I'll work on the topic of this video.
yes same for me as well,i love this guy
Trouble is, when you get old, you may not have the muscular strength to manage these moves.
Oh my gosh. I just tried this method and it was so easy. thanks.
Thank you for sharing your information. Glad I found your channel.
Thanks yet again for this; I sleep on a Japanese futon on the floor and your tutorial helps.
I'd like to suggest, for heavy people who have trouble finding the strength to raise themselves on their hands placed on the floor, use a step stool, not too high, under the hands and arms. This gives a "boost" and makes it easier to get your legs under you to stand. Thanks very much for these movement lessons, I have used the chair idea and it helps so much!
very good job I'll show it to my senior friends thank you for well done video very helpful
Wonderfully explained! Thank your friend!
Just exactly what I needed. Thanks
Wow, I tried this and it was amazing! Thank you 🙏🏽
Excellent. Thank you so much.
Thank you! It's a good method.
Thnx a lot ..it helped me very much..as I had undergone a spine surgery recently I was unable to stand up from the floor.. your video helped a lot.
To circumvent pain spot in the low back spine, inadvertently I found myself guiding my body to lie down in the same way ; wow , you just made it into a studied physiological manouver ; wonderful,
verily like a byelane to stealthily enter one's own home from the backdoor. Ha ha !
Your video has added studied conviction to my casual strategem.
Let me share with you my mental picture of myself as I am carrying myself through this sea anemone like movement : I visualize myself floating in a soup of ether ( the sky element), which pervades the entire cellular and inter cellular space within me. Moving with the forever power of the mighty ether is what you are talking about.
Fantastic, keep up the good job ! 💐👍👍👍❤️
A very good and safe way of getting down to and raising up from the floor..... must try.
Wow, thank you!
Wow. She's good. Going ad far as you can come back from is so smart.
im over weight in my tummy,so when i try this,my tummy is in my way,im losing weight,and when my belly is gone,this will be the way i get down to the floor to back up again,thank you
Thanks for posting this! I’ll practice this one. I’m done with the baby giraffe method I created, lol!
Thank you.
Maybe do example for those who cant bend knees more than 90 degrees
Super. Thanks
Thank you
Great!!
It looks like he has green feathers sprouting from his head!
I had polio and one leg is paralysed. I used to be able to get off the floor. Thank you for the ideas.
That was easy, Now I want to see the other ways.
Hi, I'm going to give this a try. I'm very heavy ,have a lower back problem (the weight gain came after the back problem) and following a brain tumour, I am paralyzed from my left knee down. There must be a way I can get up on my own safely. Blessings
Magic
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No way I can kneel on my knees
That's my problem too, my knees are totally shot from sports when I was younger. I would need to be on a thickly padded area or it would be just too painful and I would pay the price for many days afterwards.
@@CaneFu check out the spiral method...
I'm 70f. My knees are bad due to worn cartilage, so the kneeling part is painful for me. And none of my floors are carpeted either. It takes a deep breath and gritted teeth to do this, but it does work.
This can be done by a slim 70 plus. I am 75 kgs and also having sciatica can I do this though I do yoga
I have double knee replacement and physician directions to never kneel. I'm a plus-size woman who's reasonably fit but I don't know that I'll ever be able to comfortable get onto/off the floor again. Do you have any suggestions?
A couple of possibilities come to mind. Please remember that I don't know you or health status, so this just discusses two general possibilites. First, it's possible to simply pivot to the side just before your knees would touch down and you'll end up sitting, but facing mostly in the opposite direction you were facing when you started. To get back up reverse the movement coming onto all fours without your knees touching the floor, then just "walk" your hands back and return to the original standing position. This is a lot like the movement in my UA-cam video "Spiral to Floor," but you would be using two hands instead of one. And please, please learn to do this in gradual steps, making sure you can do each stage without holding your breath. Make sure the movement is reversible at any stage. If can't simply put it in reverse and get back onto your feet without struggle your could risk falling onto your knees or something else. Hope this helps.
Robert
I have knee replacement and I kneel. Just don’t lean back. How do you manage as a woman who cooks without kneeling to get in lower cabinets, etc. ?
Thanks; I have the same issue with bad knees. I appreciate the alternate method.
@@ginna461I don’t store things in the backs of lower cabinets. Or have someone else get it for me if anyone happens to be at home with me. Which is not often.
I'm finding that I use something nearby to leverage getting down to give the dog a belly rub. She looks forward to that daily. I will slide a stool over just to get leverage back up. This technique is much better. I do remember this is similar to stretching exercises for the back. I'm going to start using this. Too much time at the desk, gained weight and not enough gym days. Thanks.
The point at which I have trouble is in applying any pressure to my knees, and now have moderate arthritis in my hips. Guess Im gping to have to start studying Feldenkrais. Thank you!
I have knee replacements that do not allow me to put pressure on them. What do I do then?
I wish I could do that, but I have myotonic muscular dystrophy type 2 and my thighs and upper arms have very little strength. I was hoping this might be something I could do, but I'm not sure how.
I need a double shoulder replacement which I'm not quite ready for. I can't use my shoulders the way she can.
So I would need another method. Also I am plus sized with touchy knees.
Artificial knees cause great pain for me. Any suggestions for me? I'm over 200 pounds also to consider.
Helpful video; subtitles would help.
Very good tips.
You mind sharing. Tip of getting out of bed, I have been challanges immense with back pain, causing more stress and making it worse.
That has help Spirally raising ,what about getting out of bed with back pain,, how , Robert, it would be very helpful not to have to take a look.
Sorry for the way I wtite
The only problem with this is if you have bad knees - you are putting pressure on them.
"one take ellen" 😂
I thought it was to rock forward onto crossed ankles and use leg muscles to push off the floor. This is smarter.
I need info, ASAP for my muscle pull in my back.
I am had too much difficulty gettin out of bed to urinate, getting off the floor i can take my time, butt getting out of bed walking to the bath room was/is VERY hard.
ceragem always n. 1
What's the solution when you can't put your knees to the floor because they hurt ??
Had both knees replaced and getting onto knees HURTS to the point of being unable. Any suggestions?
I'm unsure, if one has knee trouble, would this be problematic?
I have bad knees and this method would be not only impossible for me but also cause further damage to my knees.
I cant bend my knee that far. So this is no help
what happens with bad knees and or shoulders?
I have arthritis in my knees...so weight on them is iffy....but I'll try it. I use downward facing dog to get up because of the extreme bending of the knees in your video...thanks
I learn getting up the chair I have knee protesis I can't do this one
03:42
This really doesn' t work well with Crocs on linoleum.
Leg strength training will work in every scenario. And will also steer
you away from what you see in this video: some awful angles for the back.
Will yhis work for overweight people?
Plz address how I can get up out of that deep squat. After my open heart surgery I discovered that my back leg muscles had atrophied. If I squat down to get something from the bottom shelf, anywhere including a store, I can’t always rely on my legs being able to propel me up from the squat to a stand. I’m only 60 but have several issues, & would appreciate help. Once I tried getting up & my back leg muscles suddenly gave out leaving me laying on the floor in the middle of a store. I was ...shocked.
Hi!
I female and I am 70. My back is fused from T9 to S1, with scoliosis rod. I cannot touch the floor in this manner. I also have leg weakness and cannot get up from the floor. Do you have a method for people like me?
Darlene, this is more difficult with the spinal rods you have and it absolutely requires avoiding using your back to do the movement. The motion has to do with softening hip joints and knees, then returning to stand by bringing your hips under you. Many, many people try to use their lower back as a hinge when reaching towards the floor and it is, even in otherwise healthy people, a poor hinge. Hip joints are great hinges and allow more motion without overloading the low back. I would think leg weakness is more the limiting factor, which requires strengthening to help ourselves. Even so, the muscles that move the hip joints are a better source of power than just the thigh muscles. I developed this movement years ago while working with a 95 year-old lady with back problems and was very weak in her legs with atrophied muscles. I wish I could help more, but without seeing you in action I can't know where this breaks down for you. Best wishes . . .
Robert Spencer Thank you for your reply.
I need an adaptation for someone with use of only one arm. Is there a way?
Here is another video of mine. Maybe this would work for you? Cut and paste it into your browser. ua-cam.com/video/MwWDNCJo6-8/v-deo.html
If this link gives you trouble just look for the video called "Spiral to the Floor." Let us know if that works for you.
Robert Spencer
What if I have right wrist that will not bend back due to wreck ?
You might try making a fist with your right hand so you don't have to bend your wrist. Let me know if that helps.
Please, could you add close captioning to this video?
Donna, that would be a nice thing to do, but I have no idea how to do it. My tech-savvy is pretty marginal, I'm afraid. Sorry, I mean no disrespect for hearing impaired people, but it's beyond my tech ability at present.
Starts at 3:20
Okay going down. Coming back up forget it
So, did you do the lesson like Ellen did? Meaning, just barely start the movement towards the floor, then stop and come back up? That's the place in the lesson where we learn if there is any point in the motion when we lose reversibility. If you take the time to learn that you can stop the movement and return from any point in the motion to the floor, you should be able to get back to standing. Now, for some people who may have knee problems, for example, there might be some place in the movement when they can't reverse the movement because of the damage they've suffered. In such cases I would have to see them move to be able to help.
I've had knee replacement and now have some restriction in the knee. I cannot kneel on it, plus cannot bend it more than about 115 degrees. How can I get to and from the floor?
Laurie, you might try experimenting with something like this: 1)Stand with your restricted leg a half-step or so behind your stronger leg. Slowly bring your hands to the floor so you can support yourself on two hands, one knee and the toes of the leg that is more restricted. If you have trouble balancing, place the foot of the restricted leg a bit farther outside, so your stance is wider. Then walk your hands forward just like Ellen shows in the video. You'll get to where you are supported on the floor by two hands, one knee and the toes of the other foot. You can then pivot to the towards the side away from the supporting knee, avoiding putting weight on the injured knee. This will let you pivot to sitting. To get back to standing just reverse the movement. I recommend not bringing your hands to the floor the first time, but do like Ellen demonstrates in the video - bring your hands a bit closer to the floor, then return to standing. If that worked ok, go a little farther with the hands towards the floor and stand again. Doing a little bit more each time lets you practice how to do the movement without losing your balance and falling. Please let me know if this works for you.
Is this safe for someone with osteoporosis?
Sharon, osteoporosis is not the same for everyone. If you are worried about this you should check with your doctor, physical therapist or other health care practitioner who knows you. And if you continue be sure to do all the small steps leading up to being able to reach to the floor and return. Avoid any impact with the floor or sudden pushing to get back to standing. Be patient, maybe even take several days to work up to the full movement. Good luck, Robert.
Very true. I’m at -2.6 in lumbar spine and osteopenia in femur neck. I think I need a new physical therapist. I am now concerned I wasn’t given good guidance for my combination of degenerative disc disease including spondylollisthesis and OP. Thanks for responding.
hi, just found your channel. i have parkinsons (10) awful years. i have trouble turning over in bed and can’t get up from the floor, usually after a fall. can you help please x
I was in caregiver training and we were working on training a stroke patient with getting up. Roll until you reach something you can safely grab. Use that to sit up. Work up to getting up on your knees. Good leg up to kneel, use your hands on that sturdy surface to help return to standing.
Also take your time.
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What happens when you are 84 years old ?
Having your hips directly underneath you is the problem when you have disproportionately long legs. 4:17
I've seen someone use this technique only to fall forward onto their face!!
Linda as you observed the person doing this did they try to get down all in one go onto all-fours, or did they take a lot of time to build the motion safely as Ellen shows in the video, starting at about 3min, 18seconds into it? It's not so much a "technique" as it is a way to learn to make a reversible movement in the interest of safety on the way to knowing how to manage your position. Falling usually means we have made a movement too large, or too fast, too soon. Take as much time as needed and improve by small increments, especially if you're prone to falling. Trying to do the finished movement before you have mastered the reversibility can make the movement awkward, difficult or even dangerous. To fall on one's face would usually mean they went to far beyond what they could control and reverse the movement. Don't commit to going lower until you feel balanced and can reverse the movement and return to standing. If the movement goes beyond what you can reverse you will fall and you may have to catch yourself with your hands - which won't feel good and neither will landing on your knees. It's fine to take as long as you need and take it in small segments if necessary. A few short sessions will be much better if you start to get tired or unfocused.
I am 71 and can't bend my right knee more than 90 degrees and my left one not much more.
Bill, I have some experience with a stiff knee and also being 71. A few years ago I was skiing and my binding broke, launching me downhill and shattering my right tibial plateau, which is the bottom half of the knee. I was in a brace for many months and I had to adjust how I got up and down, not only from the floor, but from a chair. Obviously, with one leg that doesn't bend, we can't do exactly what Ellen demonstrates here. What I discovered was that I put my stiff, straight leg behind with the toes on the floor and lowered myself down balancing on my hands and the other leg. Then a pivot to the side of the stiff leg had me sitting on the floor, no problem. To get back up, just make the motion in reverse. I think this would be a little easier if one can put weight on the stiff leg, which I could not do for many weeks. Even with modifications, we can adjust if we look for the principles involved and safely experiment with what works for us.
@@spencer4112 - I have had both of my knee joints replaced. Kneeling on any surface firmer/harder than a bed causes extreme pain due to the knee skin and tissue being squashed between the surface and the materials that comprise the prosthetic joints. Is there a technique for getting up off a floor that involves either no or just miniscule time kneeling? If there must be kneeling, using only one knee? I am a female, age 68. Thank you for any assistance you can provide.
Additional issues:
1. No longer have any muscle memory to assist in getting up because I have avoided putting myself in situations where I must rise from a floor since 2001 when the first of two hips to be replaced began to noticeable deteriorate. I must carefully think through each step before beginning to rise and I try to always have something to grab hold of as I proceed because I try to go as quickly as possible from kneeling (one knee) to solely on my feet.
2. Have two prosthetic hip joints and two prosthetic knee joints
3. Height: 5' 10"
4. Weight: 240lbs
Wendy, I'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble. That's a lot of surgery to fix a lot of joint problems. As far as this way of getting to the floor and back, you might be able to adapt the process I described in response to Bill Lee's question last week. I've been pretending I have surgically repaired hips and knees this morning as I explore how you might be able to do this. The best I've found so far is to avoid coming completely onto all fours with weight on my knees. In the video Ellen comes to all-fours, waits, then pivots to one side to sit. If you made this turn earlier, before your knees are bearing much weight you might be able to pivot to the side into the sitting position without much pressure on the knees. Without knowing you I'm limited to speculating, so I hope this idea helps you.
But if you have pain in your knees i think it's not useful....🙄
This doesn't work for someone who has very long legs and short arms..
Sorry i for i ask you, i am guessing you have none, thanks for this tip.
Cindy, I suggested earlier that you email me. I just don't have enough information from the short comments that UA-cam allows to give you individual advice in this way. Email me at feldenkraisandmore@gmail.com and we can learn more.
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Gosh, I know that you are American but your accent reminded me of Bill Mason from Winnepeg. ua-cam.com/video/RiXYjQuEr90/v-deo.html
ain't happening. can't bend like that. you kidding me.
Your audio is still terrible.
Thank you.