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So I said COMPRESSION stall several times during that video, Every time I say that pretend I'm saying Compressor, was super tired during this recording and didn't notice I was saying the wrong word, Anyway The F-14A doesn't feel TOO different from the B model but I think if you could clone yourself and fly both the B model would win, the point here being that it kind of comes down to pilot skill with the A model guy having to work a tad bit harder to get the kill. Although there is a huge advantage of not having to deal with the compressor stalls which in my opinion is a pretty big deal and if defiantly a point towards the B model. The A model I think down the road will be a lot of fun adding an extra layer of difficulty and challenge and Its a welcome addition to our list of DCS aircraft.
Compression stall, hehe. I felt from ur voice that u were tired
I know this is definitely not an intended dogfighter, but you should try the A-10 Warhog. Really fun to play and fly!
It would be great to see a Fox 2 fight between F-14B and J-15.
Nor sure if anybody asked this before . but dcs is supposed to look good and feel good right ?..how come when you look into the cockpit yoy dont see legs but you see the pilots helmet?
Can you do a J-15 vs F-18G guns only please
I have 1025.9 hours in the F-14A from my time in VF-124/114, 1982-1986. I shot a sidewinder and a sparrow. I never had a compressor stall in the A model. I then went on to fly adversary (A-4 & F-16N) and never had a "knock it off" during ACM from anyone flying the A due to compressor stalls.
I'm not sure what the algorithm is in DCS. In real life, there were some problems that bit people in the a$$, but you had to hamfist the airplane to make it happen or have some sort of mechanical failure. For sure, planes and people were lost, but that's true in every airplane I flew (I started in the F-8 crusader and that almost literally ate Ensigns). We never went out in the F-14A thinking "gee, I'd better be careful not to compressor stall". The only annoying thing was that every time someone gooned it and got a compressor stall, the engineers would program a bleed valve to open to improve stall margin at the cost of thrust. I seem to recall that there was an associated circuit breaker behind the RIO that would mysteriously "pop" if we were in combat.
And, there is no scenario in which any model with GE engines did not completely outclass the A! The increased energy addition rate was huge.
To the extent that you can say there's a rule in ACM, an energy advantage can almost always be converted into a positional advantage followed shortly thereafter with a Silver Star.
Thanks for this info. Sounds like DCS overdid it with the F-14A compressor stalls.
“Never fly the A model of anything.” -Some Wise Pilot Dude
Never fly an aircraft before the first service pack.
A= Ass
B = Better
C = Come get some motherf**ker
iranian pilots made history with a models ... even more limited !
@@maybesherlock734 they were fighting outdated peices of crap
@jonny j ah yes, the new and improved engine with wings, the MiG-21, or maybe some of the disgraceful MiG-23s, or maybe some of the temperamental flankers. Oh, is that an outdated french dorito I spy.
F14B: Hard difficulty.
F14A: Unfair difficulty.
@Braden A it shouldn't be at a great disadvantage in a horizontal rate fight, tho in a vertical rate Fight it would absolutely get kicked the crap out of, you can see where the B is in relation to him at the start of the vertical rate Fight, and where it is right before the compressor Stall in the first Fight. The A just doesn't have the thrust to play that game with the B
F-14A gets a Compressor Stall and turns into a unrecoverable Flat Spin.
Jester: (chuckles)
I'm in Danger.
Turning on cockpit lights is a > advantage than 20lbs of thrust. It's science.
its facts. also adds 2 degrees a second in a rate fight.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I'm nowhere near as good as you in ANY plane (I have no idea how you keep visual so well!), but the Tomcat is my jam. I have gotten used to her...idiosyncrasies. I will likely stick with the B most of the time (why wouldn't I?), but it's nice to have this one for some late 70s-mid 80s specific scenarios.
And everybody knows that wearing a hat increases you IQ by 30
The F-14A had a thrust of 42,000 lbsf. The 35,000 lbsf was at the very end of its life cycle in the late 90s for higher reliability after the Hultgreen mishap happened. There was a bypass valve installed to reduce compressor stall at slow speeds. However, the 4000 lbsf per engine could easily be returned when the circuit breaker was pulled at the risk of higher compressor stall likelihood. DCS has actually installed the bypass valve in one of the A versions. 'Snort' used to do that all the time and he talks about it when he wiped out a Hornet in 42 seconds.
@@DJones476 Yeah. I saw that too. He dumped fuel and popped the circuit breaker for the 8000 lbsf extra thrust and gunned the Hornet in 47 seconds. 'Snort' was the master of F-14 in all variants. He could make even the F-14A dance like no one else in airshows. Lots of youtube videos on it. He was not worried about compressor stalls so he preferred to have 8000 lbsf more thrust over reduced risk of compressor stall.
A has one other problem that you should probably watch out for, when firing aim-9 you should turn at the opposite direction of the fired missile rail. for example if the left sidwinder is lunched, turn right. because the missile smoke can get into the air intakes and give you compressor stall. this screwed several pilots in real life
does the p414 engine and MCB address this issue or it’s still there?
@@vadupleixs I don't know. The text I read this in was entirely about TF30.
you people need to understand that we can't run away from history. Without our mistakes, we wouldn't have the f14B and D. Even if the A has a lots of problems its fun to fly if you want to fly in a part of our history, of the tomcats history
not to be rude but to GS's credit, he had already mentioned that in the preface before the fights
In one F-14 story, "Okie" Nance tells of a dogfight with John Monroe "Hawk" Smith. Okie flew his F-14A so well, that after the flight, Hawk commended him for handling his "F-14B" so well. Okie confirms that, in a well-flown F-14A, the TF-30 engine was not a significant limiting factor in a dogfight.
In another F-14 story (maybe legend is more appropriate), Joe "Hoser" Satrapa is dogfighting in an F-14A when one of his TF-30's experiences a compressor stall. He's such a talented flyer that he proceeds to continue, and win, the dogfight, on one engine. I forget what kind of plane his opponent was flying, but I like to think it was an Air Force F-15A.
In yet another story, Dale "Snort" Snodgrass tells of compressor stalling his F-14A while pulling high Gs (10, if I recall) to evade a SAM. To avoid being visually IDed as a bad guy, he recovers on min burner on his good engine while descending into AAA. In his telling of the story, he implies this incident was not as scary as a night recovery in bad weather.
It looks like you re-enacted the first story, above, in this video. Maybe you can re-enact the second story in a followup video!
We need the F-14D Super Tomcat now.
Not going to happen. Heatblur have spoken repeatedly about it. Reason? No declassified documentation available on it unlike the A and B that have almost all of the documentation available in the public domain. Everything has been kept very highly classified by the Pentagon. A lot of its true capabilities are still unknown. APG-71 range, electronic countermeasures, the digital avionics and the fly by wire controls etc. All of them are being kept classified. It is the engineering documents behind the scenes. Not what these things could do. You can easily guess why? Iran.
From comments I've read, in ACM, a D would not necessarily out-turn an A+/B. Apparently, some avionics upgrades/additions on the D made it measurably heavier than the A+/B, so the A+/B had a slight advantage.
One variable that I'm not sure of is digital stability augmentation. I've heard the term "digital flight control system", but I don't think the F-14 was ever really "fly-by-wire", just that the stability augmentation system went from analog to digital sometime after the original A model. If anyone would clarify, I'd love to hear the details on when and what versions got "digital" and whether it was just stability augmentation or more than that.
In any case, I've also heard/read that the digital flight control/augmentation system made the Tomcat easier to fly, but turned both poor and excellent pilots into "mediocre" flyers. Would anybody know what special maneuvers could be performed (by a skilled/experienced Tomcat pilot) in the full-analog As, that couldn't be done in a digital B/D?
@Ultra CNC yeah it is good Iran dosen't know how good it is, but it would also help on how to counter it
@@yoobb No it had actual digital flight control system. It was federated with the hydraulic systems, but it had digital flight control system. I am not aware of anything people in A and B could, but the D people could not. It allowed everything and gave better stability at slower speed and high angle of attack. The roll rate on the D was much faster than A and B where they had to slow it down a bit when one F-14D departed flight control doing a rolling maneuver at supersonic. Only limitation it put was it was not easy to stall at slow speeds and high AoA and depart getting into a flat spin. The D was very difficult to get into a flat spin. The B was the real dogfighter F-14 while the D was the do-everything F-14. It could dogfight just as well as the B could because the TW was almost the same while adding a lot more capabilities as far as air-to-ground, radar, contermeasures etc go.
@Ultra CNC Good points and really like the 'sarcasm' there. Agreed they are keeping it so secret yet Cheney/Bush were so determined (while being in Hornet mafia's pocket) to kill it.
I flew the A model last night and now I appreciate the B model more than ever! But fun piece of history I’m glad Heatblur spent the time to make it.
Top Gun instructors were beating students with the A model all the time.
@Greg Walker What does religion have to do with the F-14 ?
If everyone just stuck with the all-round highest performance aircraft it would not only be boring but misses the opportunity to learn how actual pilots with no choice but to fly outdated/inferior models nonetheless find ways to maximize whatever small edges they can find. And what a thrill when the underdog manages a kill!
There were squadrons in the Navy that still flew the F-14A into the 2001 Afghanistan war and Iraqi Freedom. Not everyone got a B or even a Super-D Tomcat because there were 700+ A models built versus, say, around 100 D models.
I appreciate Heatblur for taking the time to model and release 'an inferior model' for the sake of having a similar but also quite different experience.
@@kylebrady969 Interesting - thx
"Why would you fly an aircraft with a worse engine?"
I mean, that's like asking why do people fly WW2 sims instead of modern ones. It's for the experience, not necessarily the quality and/or technology of the airplane.
I think the difference is those aircraft are often some of the best that generation had to offer tho. I don't see people clamoring for the P-26. Or even with the P-51, no one cares about the trainer aicraft that's free, everyone goes for the P-51D.
@@SogenOkami Maybe some pro pilots will enjoy the extra challenge of flying an aircraft with a handicap... who knows?
@@leoncampa I'm all for a challenge myself but it's already so competitive, I don't really see the need for a handicap.
Sok tau anjg
@@SogenOkami Sure but in that case why are not people complaining about them Adding the P-51D instead of the P-51H which is better.
the F-14A is the most numerous ,important and iconic of the F-14 Variants.
In the same way as the P-51D is the most Iconic of the P-51 variants.
Bruh this daily content is straight FIRE 🔥
fun fact: the B model turn rate was bugged after this patch and devs said it has been fixed internaly. that explains why there was not much difference while you where fighting it horizontally
Gotta say, my favourite videos of yours are the ones where you're fighting from a clear disadvantage. But then I've always thought losing is more interesting than winning most of the time.
Life has decided that for me too
Another amazing video GS, I love your stuff! Can't wait to see you suffer through a dogfight in this against an Su-27, you know we want to see that!
ahah yaaaa looking forward to that fight brother
@@GrowlingSidewinder Sure would be fun to watch!
Awesome! I watched Spuds videos and already thought when will GS upload the Air to Air Master😏
very kind of you brother. hardly a master but I try.
Same here GS is da man 👍🏻
I thought the same
Now we're waiting for F-14D Supertomcat to show up. That will be the best moment
I would love for it to be in game but it won't come until Iran retires their Tomcats. The F-14D is still heavily classified.
@@gnranger indeed. The 14D has a completely different flight control system and completely different avionics. It's the equivalent of the F-15E compared to the F-15C.
@@gnranger no it's not. Just the Irst system and targeting pod
I think F14D has Fly by wire
@@contraststriker8198 it does.
Finally! GS video is what I've been waiting for 🥳
Thank you for your videos you help me relax in those hard times.
My pleasure thank u for coming and watching them
I just want to fly the f-14 A with for its freshly painted liveries because those 1960s\70s Navy style paints schemes just look so cool.
I was wondering if Heatblur was going to transfer the default F-14B livery over to the A model, since the plane they chose actually *was* an F-14A. They didn't, but that's why custom skins exist.
Thanks Sidewinder this is really interesting and just the comparison I wanted. After having a play in the A my thoughts were that I actually preferred it in the flat fight. I think the lack of extra umph means that you aren't fighting the aircraft quite so much to stop it drifting into a high alpha situation compared to the B. Its going to be fun and I think your second fight showed the potential in the A, its certainly a lot more forgiving than I was expecting. Its definitely more restricted in a dogfight but reckon it will dominate the flat fight in the same way the B dominates the vertical. I'm really enjoying the A although my main issue is the case recovery as there is so much lag in the throttle that I'm having to reteach myself to try and pre-empt the situation. Definitely a great new edition!
The A stands for Alpha-Male
GS:apologizing for every time he says compression instead of compressor. Subscriber: “shut up and take my money!” Great video!
Love your videos!
Now that you've put quite a bit of time into both of these versions, it'd be interesting to see this revisited.
Nice flying! I'd think the F-14B is better in every way but it will always come down to the pilot flying. I'd enjoy seeing both in BVR fights too.
Nice flying, looks like you're again getting confortable with the Cat. Be aware that you don't feel that much different because you're down on the weeds... go a bit higer ... once you start going above 10000ft... you'll start noticing more and more difference. The TF30 is decent down on the weeds
Calm and painfully professional as usuall :-)
Hi! Can you actually move the wings of the f14 back in the game?
And if yes what does it change to th flight performance?
Yes u can
You can see the wings swept back at about 5:35
The straight wings are more efficient for low speed flight, and the swept wings are more efficient for supersonic speeds.
In one of the Joe "Hoser" Satrapa stories (YGBSM!), he humbles an arrogant F-18 pilot by entering the merge with wings manually swept back, but flying at a low speed, optimal for maneuvering. The F-18 pilot thinks the Tomcat is going much too fast for tight turning, and tries to take advantage of the situation -- I'm guessing by performing an energy-bleeding, nose-pointing turn. As he enters the merge, Hoser sets the wing sweep back to auto (sweeping them forward, for tight turning), lights the burners, then quickly out-turns and kills the F-18.
There's another F-14 legend to re-enact in DCS!
You can recover the flat-spin. Manually retract the wings full aft. You'll create a large nose-down moment you can use to recover.
you should message the air force and let them know lol. lots of pilots were killed due to this flat spin issue.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Air Force, Wtf?
Cant recall where but another channel mentioned that real world A drivers pretty much kept it at full throttle the entire fight and cycled between the AB stages as needed, thus avoiding large changes in throttle and reducing the risk of compressor stalls
great subject - thank you!
As a note, apparently a bug was introduced that is degrading the rate performance of both models. IronMike has said the problem is already "fixed internally" and hopefully we will see a hotfix sooner rather than later.
@04:17 "you hear that beeping?" 😂...... 04:26 "and we just went on from kinda being in control to pretty much screwed" 🤣.. 04:34 "Thank you" 🤧 .....you're killing me man lmao
I can only imagine how cool a F14D must be, sadly we will never have it
why?
@@valentindio2661 well most of its technology is secret if i remember correctly
Does the slightly higher wing loading come into play against the B or is the difference in thrust too much for it to matter? It looked to me in the second fight that you could have maintained lead pursuit for a long time when he was trying to run away in the rate.
I remember one of those accidents with a steep ascent climb where an F-14A stalled out and caused multiple fatalities upon impact. IIRC, the pilot (and the Tomcat community, for that matter) had been briefed about this exact thing and were warned to NOT pull a steep ascent. He did it anyway. The pilot was a lieutenant commander and definitely knew better.
I really wondered why they'd put out the worse thrust to weight ratio model out there for purchase. Seems odd to me.
The F14B was originally all that was included. Buying the B gets you all of the A variants as well.
The F-14A is the iconic model of Tomcat. It's the one in Top Gun, the one involved in both Libya shootdowns, the one with nearly all of the famous liveries.
Plus, it's already included with the other F-14s in DCS.
@@smittywjmj great answer! I'll add that the A model is also the one that was originally "not a single pound for air-to-ground!", except early in development. The vast majority of the 'Cat's A-A kills were also in the A model, albeit in Iranian hands.
@@yoobb "Not a pound for air to ground" was the motto of the F-15A, not the F-14A, however you aren't wrong. The Tomcat was designed as a pure fighter-interceptor, but later updates saw it also fill the strike fighter role very well (as did the F-15).
The F-14A naval liveries are also way cooler looking, I like the mid 70s Era skins that the A model has, I just think the A model is just so much cooler.
Thanks! Now I have a craving to watch Top Gun for the 200th time 😂😂😂
You've only watched it 200 times?
Best Thanksgiving Turkey Shoot of all time...
Incredible, educational video! I'm a CAT lover, and got to see an in depth knowledge...I appreciate you! My impressor,obsession, over compression! ;)
Two fight scenarios I want to see. #1 - F14B vs F22 (missile and Gun fight - would love to see if the AIM54s would lock) #2 - F14B vs F16 (guns only).
What’s the source for the background music during the explanation of the differences in the beginning?
For the "compression stall unrecognizable spin" you couldn't shut off one engine and reverse the spin by full throttling it? Or was that not an option?
Only experience on my part is having seen a Tomcat in a flat-spin, there's likely not any thrust in the opposite engine; likely having stalled once you enter the flat spin due to lack of air flow. Though I hope we can get some clarification on that.
@@Powerhaus88 Sadly, same spot for me, I have little to no idea; I can only go based on the footage and issues I'm aware of from unrelated planes trying to recover from flat spins.
All versions of the F-14 were extremely unforgiving when put into a stall induced spin. But in this case, when you experience a compressor stall, it essentially means you have no engine, so the one remaining engine being so far from the center of gravity will cause extreme yaw extremely quickly. If you idle the remaining engine, you end up with no thrust at all.
@@Powerhaus88 If I recall the Delta uses the same engine as the Bravo but I may be wrong on that. Newer engines were far more reliable but the issues with spins was an issue with the airframe. It's not impossible to recover but it's very difficult and consumes a lot of altitude. A flat spin on its back is impossible to recover though if I recall but it's been a while since brushing up on the tomcat.
@@SogenOkami The A models all used the TF30. I think I've read somewhere that the original F-14 TF30 (possibly "-PW-412") was more prone to the compressor stalls than the later TF30-PW-414. A little known fact is that there was an earlier "F-14B" that was used to test the Pratt & Whitney F401-PW-400 engine, but the Navy canceled this engine program -- I've never learned the details of why. The GE F110 engines were installed on F-14A that were then designated F-14A+. These were later re-designated as "F-14B". So, the A+, B, and D models all had the same F110 engines.
Regarding flat spin recovery, there's a Joe "Hoser" Satrapa legend (YGBSM!) where he recovers from a flat spin by manually sweeping the wings back. The theory is that sweeping the wings back (without deploying glove vanes) moves the center of aerodynamic pressure aft, which slows the spin. According to the legend the wings-back recovery had been brought up, but there was no funding to formally test it, so it was not an approved procedure. Therefore, the successful use of that procedure was kept hush-hush. I've asked some former real-life F-14 pilots about this and they scoffed at the idea.
I was wondering what you thought of this.
i think i could watch the f14 fly for hours such a beautiful airplane
So i'm fairly new to DCS. I used to play sim games long long long time ago, but not hardcore. I hear people complain alot about the f-14. It's still the only high fidelity jet I want to buy into. Overall It's my favorite jet.
Is it capable once you learn it? Or do you have to be an excellent simmer to get the most joy out of it?
I had no idea the thruster aperture was so different on the TF30 engines. Just assumed they had feathers like the ge.
I thought the A had better thrust at low altitude.
Hehe, GS, you pulled 12G’s in the fight that you lost, a few seconds before the comment that your opponent over-G’d. Many of issues with the A related to landing, as sudden changes in throttle movement combined with the low speed approach could cause the compressor stall, resulting in an unrecoverable approach. Likewise, a stall on takeoff, or engine failure, could result in excessive yaw motion, leading to a crash. The B was less prone to both and was much safer around the boat.
I've heard one F-14 pilot's account of an engine stall during catapult launch. He had been trained on this procedure, so he had his eyes on the engine dials during the catapult stroke. As soon as he saw the stalled engine drop to zero (presumably felt/heard it, too), he put in full opposite rudder and successfully completed the catapult launch.
at 10:30, Shotgun pulled 13!! Comical.
Are the supersonic glove vanes modelled in?
Hey GS, im a War Thunder pilot and i dont have this game but i love ur videos
Same here :). Definitely the best DCS channel I've seen so far.
In 1996 an F-14A crashed near me in Nashville, TN, killing the pilot, backseater and three on the ground. Compressor stall followed by a flat spin caused by a pilot showing off.
yes I've read about this actually, if I remember correctly, the report concluded he was trying to show off to his parents. Really tragic shit.
He was getting in a required cross country flight. A lot of pilots will fly home so they can check the box for the flight hours. They didn't actually watch him crash, but they saw the smoke and thought it was from a building fire.
YESSS
The F-14A actually had a slightly better top speed in theory due to the compression ratios of the engines. At the upper end of engine thrust, those ratios and airflow into the engine are 1 of the main limiters of top speed.
Anyone know if the Tomcat’s glove games are incorporated in to the DCS version of the A model?
Pretty much the glove vanes were locked out shortly after release when the F14A was put into service (Welded shut). I believe only the Iranian F14's had them still working.
Edit: We should get the glove vanes working on earlier F14A variants once released.
Also, not sure how true this next part is, but I heard the whole compressor stall issue was mostly pushed by politicians and opponents of the F14. In reality, pilots had to REALLY try forcing the planes engines into compressor stalls.
Fyi I never flew the Cat irl so take everything I said with a grain of salt and do your own research to be safe : )
HB said they weren't doing them.
@@CyrusEpion no the 30s killed a few test pilots, it was politics that pushed them threw with the horrible engines. Their is a great documentary about the f14 R and D on UA-cam somewhere. Definitely worth watching if you're into f14s or aviation history.
The glove vanes were one of the features that made the Tomcat the most aerodynamically optimized fighter in recent memory (possibly, ever!). The glove vanes enabled the Tomcat to pull 7.5 Gs at Mach 2! Yes, I understand that's not tactically useful, but it's cool! When I first saw then deployed, they looked ugly to me, but now I think of them as just another feature that makes the Tomcat unique. Always, Baby!
@@CyrusEpion I read an article about the Israeli airforce selection process between the F-14 and 15. They listed several big disadvantages for the F-14, including a pronounced tendency for compressor stall, so it can't be a made up problem. Also the A model has a lot of accidents in its record, most attributed to this issue.
Too much salt is thrown onto sea level static thrust values. While yes, knife fights are generally slow, the faster the Tomcat is going, the more pressure recovery is occuring. I have a book that states the TF30 produces 28,000 lbs of thrust at Mach 2 thanks to the intake pressure recovery system. While the Mach 2.34 max speed is a structural limit, it may explain why the TF30's relatively weak thrust on paper still translated to the F-14's high speed. One F-14 prototype was taken to Mach 2.4 and was still accelerating apparently. Plus a lower engine pressure ratio is a good thing for high mach oriented flight. It allows the intake recovery system to play it's maximum part while preventing the engine from burning itself out due to overtemp.
I think Okie Nance is the SME for the A model :)
I love it when people jump on the popular platforms only to have those few who brings the joke into the mix and wreck their asses
It'll be interesting to see a fox 1 BVR fight a Viggen.
Idk y but the flat spin looks funny ngl
When the F-14 has a compressor stall. Talk to me Goose. GOOSE!!!
I love all 3 versions of the F-14 Tomcat
I have a question. How can you lock the target just by moving your head in the su27 flanker? Witch keybutton is that?
Example of the su27 flanker vs f22 raptor fox2 dogfight video.
hit 5 on the keyboard thats ur helmet mounted cueing system point it at ur bandit, hit enter to lock. (those are the default binds you can connect them to whatever you want in your hotas under controls)
@@GrowlingSidewinder thx
I haven't bought or flown either I'm going to buy the F-14A because that's the one I had as a poster on my wall as a kid with the canards extended.
Glove vanes, not canards. Canards move and act as pitch control. The glove vanes are fixed (besides retracting into the wing glove) and designed to offset the change in center-of-lift at supersonic speed when the wings sweep back.
They were eventually welded shut because they had problems getting them to work properly, and pilots had to deal with the CoL change at Mach in other ways.
@@smittywjmj Canards
A buddy of mine flew the F-14A against someone in the F-14B and won and was able to keep the A at the edge of the envelope and match the turn of the B. I'll take the A thanks!!!
Its beyond me why they didnt ground all F-14A's til the engine problem was worked out! Crazy risk they put on all the pilots!
It wasnt a risk and wasnt an issue when handled properly. Read up on it and go ask former 14A pilots.
@@UkraineStar77 I did & 110 class A mishaps isnt a risk?
Do you get the impression the Navy was fibbing about the relative performance difference? I do.
There's nothing like the feel of hot 20mm cannon shells to warm your backside in the morning, it's the feeling of ... damn what did I do wrong.
How does the "bypass" work? And could it help in a dog fight?
In one Joe "Hoser" Satrapa legend (YGBSM!), after dogfighting a MiG (-21, IIRC), in one of the U.S. foreign aircraft programs, Hoser decides to bug out ("better to retire and save your aircraft than push a bad position"). He manually sweeps wings back to minimize drag, then goes to "Zone 6" burner. The 6th zone being turning off various systems (including AWG-9 and cockpit cooling!) to add a few more pounds of thrust. One of the comments above also mentioned an engine mod that reduced both compressor stalls and maximum thrust. This could, apparently, be bypassed by pulling a circuit breaker. Maybe that's the "bypass" you're referring to?
Was it just me or was the F-14 A "Jester" a bit more chill? lol
Hoenstly, I'm going to be flying the F-14A just because LOOK AT THOSE PAINT JOBS! Man give me some colour over those drab grey B model jobs any day lmao.
I actually agree with this, I like the A model paint jobs a lot.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Sundowners ftw xD
i feeld like the f14-A is way easyer to controll it doesnt shake that much.. so you turn nice and smooth ...
Any plans for the D model?
Heatblur has said no.
I hope that, one day, they make the proposed super Tomcat.
Can you fold and unfold wings manually?
Yes u can but not sure why u would
You can’t fire and forget the aim54 in red anymore you have to wait for it to go pit bull before evading. It now goes pit bull 16 from impact
Could you restate that, I'm confused by your comment.
@@emmettowen3570 I think he means the Aim 54 can only go pitbull at 16 NM or probably more accurately 11-13 NM, in the A model at least, I'm no expert, I'm not an F-14 guy so don't quote me on it.
@@daciannation5847 Nope, not 16NM, but 16 seconds (counted by the WCS) from impact.
@@arbiter1er ah I understand.
Quick question,
Does the starboard glove vane works ?
That would be cool. The Navy welded them shut or removed them because of reliability issues.
@@MongooseTacticool Not necessarily reliability issues. IIRC pilots would deploy them for the extra control surface, which of course made them require maintenance more often.
so how does this work? you have both planes in DCS and you chose which one you want to fly?
thats correct.
If you bought the Tomcat module, the A was included in the price for future release. It was released on the 18th. You can choose either model in the editor or if a mission designer has put them in the mission.
Personally I love the A model for the fact it is harder to fly.
How do I get to fly these simulators
Top speed is not the same. GE engines Tomcats have ramp system inlet fixed, top speed is M 1.88 despite having more powerful engines.
Man let's see a f-16 vs f-15
which F-14 has the fly by wire system ?? is it the D ??
Yes
Waiting for the flat spin.... still waiting...
1:06 that's why Goose died
I'm guessing that's an F-14A in the video, because it's in VF, now VFA, 154 colors.
So is the only difference the engines?
There's a few more differences, and the B+ and D models are even more different.
Please do an F14B vs F14D
Could you imagine if Battlefield used the DCS flight model?!
Could you imagine if literally any physics, from gun ballistics all the way to fighter performance, was remotely realistic in Battlefield?
Could you imagine an F-14 redesigned with today's technology? Me thinks she would be quite special indeed.
Vertical stabs would be canted out even more for stealth and the pancake between the engines would be converted into a YUUUGE internal weapons bay.
woah.
Can you fuckin imagine if they brought this platform back but with upgrades engines every thing no expense left out..... 🤯 it would be the vehicle Jesus Christ returns in
So you’re saying, that the spin we saw on top gun wasn’t necessarily Hollywood BS? Cool info
Both the compressor stall induced flat spin, and the RIO canopy impact (an apparent issue in a flat spin ejection scenario) were actual problems, amazingly enough.
I really need to just buy a damn VR headset so I can play this.
You don't need a VR headset for this game, VR DCS is actually incredibly finicky while still incredible, TrackIR seems to work better for DCS.
or get trackir.
@@kamraam1464 that's actually an incredible headset for DCS, I have the Rift CV1 and I can say it's hard to have the eagle eyes in DCS VR with that headset.
@@daciannation5847 Yeah I've looked at the TrackIR as well for a while now, just undecided on which one I want. There's a couple other games I'd like for the VR not just DCS.
The ultimate cat fight
Great f-14 comparison info. F14a didn't waste any time demonstrating a compressor stall. Keep these awesome videos coming GS!
Hey, are warbirds videos still part of future plans?
Just sayin I like ur old intro it sounds better
8:01 at 11.7 G's. Thats where the wings break off. lol 10:30...13 G's!!! LOL. Oh come on....