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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому +38

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    I really did not enjoy this fight lol, it was probably one of the hardest and longest fights I've done in DCS I'm just happy with the lucky kill, I'm sure those of you who are well versed in the F-14 in dogfighting could do much better than that I'm kind of interested in practicing again and once again taming the beast that is the Tomcat. Anyway Don't forget to checkout my good buddy longshot's channel Big thanks to him for helping make this video and thank you to all of you for watching. Much Love.

    • @Kelgo102
      @Kelgo102 3 роки тому +1

      This fight did look uncomfortable with the instability

    • @silverphinex
      @silverphinex 3 роки тому +1

      Sir you have full flaps deployed at 400 knots no wonder the plane is bucking around like a bronco Also VSL: AM I A JOKE TO YOU

    • @mobykanderwal3037
      @mobykanderwal3037 3 роки тому

      I couldn't believe it when I saw this video in my feed! It actually brought a big smile on my face because just last week I commented on one of your videos asking for this video. I wasn't sure you would do it and don't know if you read my comment but anyways thanks for doing it. After watching so much videos on your channel about Mirage dogfighting the shit out of most aircrafts in DCS I also noticed you mention F 14 had the best turn rate (I think) so I really wanted to see this fight but I can see why you didn't wanna do it haha.

    • @turjabiswanghri5819
      @turjabiswanghri5819 3 роки тому

      @growling_sidewinder ... make a video on lca tejas ....

    • @fondueset6034
      @fondueset6034 3 роки тому

      This was one of the most fun of your videos. The swearing is excellent! I'd like to hear how your were managing the flaps though.

  • @mjhac2685
    @mjhac2685 3 роки тому +189

    When in doubt, blame Jester..

  • @tylerwhitsell
    @tylerwhitsell 3 роки тому +70

    Lengthy comment of Tomcat wisdom from a mediocre sim pilot:
    Not trying to backseat fly here, but I exclusively practiced in the F14 for two years now and all I can say is don't pull so much stick and use that rudder to counter the roll reverse (the wobble). Afterall, the tomcat can never respond like a normal aircraft because it doesn't have normal aircraft control surfaces. Rudder and Tailerons are both used for roll. When tailerons are being used as elevators in a turn, it becomes the rudder's job to stabilize the roll axis during the pitch maneuver.
    The tomcat's strength is not in nose authority, it's purely in the engines. Extend. Take advantage of gravity in your turns. Vertical turns offer that better oblong shape and helps with the energy retention and in gaining AOA when pitching over the top. If you try to hold the cat in a high AOA turn for longer than 10 seconds without giving it any help (gravity assist) it will fight back, plain and simple. I personally don't pull more than half stick in most fights, except for in short bursts no longer than a few seconds when AOA is a must. If you keep descending in the turn and let off of high AOA every few seconds, the bird will respond positively and then you can begin to use it's thrust to gain angles in a rate fight. So let off the stick now and then, keep your opponent distant until you're on their six, get creative with energy (stay fast to avoid wobble), and stay patient man! Also, probably try to not stay in the rolling scissor too long, after 4 or 5 merges you should either throw out the flaps and slats or giver 'er the spurs and extend.
    I've learned so much from you in my short time in DCS. For that, I thank you!
    Stay dangerous!

    • @hitstick567
      @hitstick567 3 роки тому +2

      Yes I noticed side does not utilize the tactic of extending enough. When you are in a disadvantageous situation extend. The BMS pilot KVUSA77 perfectly demonstrates this in his dogfight video “A vertical rolling scissors”

    • @Nathan_Lennox
      @Nathan_Lennox 3 роки тому +1

      Very nice comment, you can tell by reading it you've become quite familiar with the aircraft! I'm the same way with Eagle lol awesome to see pilots getting so dedicated to each of our own craft.

    • @tylerwhitsell
      @tylerwhitsell 3 роки тому +2

      @@Nathan_Lennox Thanks man, I love that big bird, and I try my best in the Eagle. Tend to get shot down a lot, lol. Glad to see an awesome community in DCS. There's always something new to learn, and GS continues to inspire me.

  • @faqirmohammadabdullah2906
    @faqirmohammadabdullah2906 3 роки тому +166

    4:07 some kid playing in his backyard
    Le F-14 : & his name is John Cenaaaaaaa *kaboom*

    • @andrewruss5824
      @andrewruss5824 3 роки тому +13

      hOll up DID JESTER NOT EJECT FOR ONCE?

    • @monkeynautz
      @monkeynautz 3 роки тому +4

      As soon as I saw the town I knew a building was going down, signature GS move! LOL

    • @shinidigami
      @shinidigami 3 роки тому

      @@andrewruss5824 Jester is no longer allowed to eject unless you do, I think.

    • @andrewruss5824
      @andrewruss5824 3 роки тому

      @@shinidigami you couldn't hear him curse or say something then eject when GS ejected so idk plus you didnt hear the seat delay eject sound

    • @arguywindham1101
      @arguywindham1101 3 роки тому

      @Omar Hamadeh if you look left near where the Tomcat shadow is at 4:00 and watch till 4:05. Pretty sure thats the shadow of the parachutes from 2 pilots.

  • @cakeadventure8412
    @cakeadventure8412 3 роки тому +76

    3:59
    GS: "Alright, it's time to go" *nonchalantly ejects*
    The Family in the house that's about the get flattened by the tomcat: 0_0

    • @Mr.Scootini
      @Mr.Scootini 3 роки тому +3

      He literally took out a whole block XDXDXD

    • @alexandrossotiropoulos5621
      @alexandrossotiropoulos5621 3 роки тому

      Free Tomcat’s parts everywhere in the neighborhoods and one family dead!

    • @Tstahl962
      @Tstahl962 3 роки тому +1

      @@alexandrossotiropoulos5621 Eh, that Family would be worth it getting my hands on an F-14 engine nozzle :}

    • @alexandrossotiropoulos5621
      @alexandrossotiropoulos5621 3 роки тому

      @@Tstahl962 and the gun

    • @alexandrossotiropoulos5621
      @alexandrossotiropoulos5621 3 роки тому

      @@Tstahl962 To be honest I would like some parts from the Mirage, for example one gun and the bullets and from the F14 the gun again and a couple of bullets. For a museum, the nozzle would be good as well as some parts from the cockpit

  • @indianajon7980
    @indianajon7980 3 роки тому +16

    Hi Sidewinder. I think your issue with the F14 is you are trying to fly it like a modern fighter pulling high alpha as fast as you can. If you slow it down and be a little smoother and slower on the controls I think you will be surprised at what the Tomcat can do. The control surfaces are more efficient between 300-400 knots with wings between 20 and 45 degrees and so that is where you will be most nimble. Likewise if you look at her she is one massive wing which is why she has so much lift. Downside of that is if you pull high alpha then the body becomes a sail and speed brake. Use your mirrors as the wingsweep position will give you your speed and if you start getting contrails over your engine intakes you are pulling too hard. Fly it like a spit rather than the hornet and you will dominate! Have faith in the 14, she may take longer to learn and be less forgiving but she can beat any aircraft in DCS.

  • @loui7530
    @loui7530 3 роки тому +142

    "This is really gonna piss me off" Lmao

    • @dowdgregory7105
      @dowdgregory7105 3 роки тому

      Yeah wanna a lame ass. Tomcat was my first plane in DCS World. I got into DCS thinking the community would be cool and appreciate planes like Tomcat and Mig-21, but instead just want to fly easy planes like Hornet and pretend to be flying. While at the same time complaining about getting owned by tomcat in dogfights because they just want to out turn Tomcat and not bother to learn the tactics.

  • @maverick24
    @maverick24 3 роки тому +62

    Gotta use the high Pilot radar mode so you can lock him above the HUD when your pulling around into him, helps a ton I use it all the time when in any sort of circle fight
    EDIT: VSL High

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому +17

      ya i forgot my bind for that i'll figure it out for the next video. ur right tho thats exactly what thats for.

    • @OneShotStop229
      @OneShotStop229 3 роки тому +5

      Out of curiosity, how does locking him up help you in a gun fight? WIthout the Fox 2s, what's the point? Edit: Duh....it tells you where to aim the gun!

    • @berserk-in9cl
      @berserk-in9cl 3 роки тому +3

      @@OneShotStop229 HUD will indicate his position as you line up on him if you have him locked, so you won't lose visual as he crosses into the frame above the HUD. That and you'll have the gunsight computing the lead for you.

  • @katarinatothova7060
    @katarinatothova7060 3 роки тому +62

    FINALLY THANK YOU

  • @TobiMcMonki
    @TobiMcMonki 3 роки тому +34

    Every Growling Sidewinder video that has an F-14 in it:
    When the F-14 loses: :(
    When the F-14 wins: :)

    • @mothafraker
      @mothafraker 3 роки тому +1

      Same. It's my favorite fighter of all time.

  • @sekured9950
    @sekured9950 3 роки тому +41

    HEYYY!!! What are the odds man!? It's awesome of you to do my suggestion! If that's even what happened here. Lol Thanks man! Love the video as always and I apologize for all of the pain you suffered through to make this. Lol

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому +20

      ahah I had a good time buddy thanks for the suggestion i was pissed but when it was over I noticed it was the most challenging dogfight I'd had for a long time.

    • @FuNmX
      @FuNmX 3 роки тому

      @@GrowlingSidewinder You was pissed as in drunk?

    • @BARelement
      @BARelement 3 роки тому

      @@FuNmX No, pissed can also mean mad or a satirical frustration.

    • @FuNmX
      @FuNmX 3 роки тому

      @@BARelement ahh oke haha👍

  • @opasquali5937
    @opasquali5937 3 роки тому +30

    However torturing this may be for gs....hes giving us great content! This guy is my favourite airplane channel, he deserves at least a million subscribers

  • @Darth.Fluffy
    @Darth.Fluffy 3 роки тому +17

    Dude. First fight you left your Tomcat parked in some guy's living room.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому +4

      yaaaaaaaa gonna be hard to explain that to the guy when i get down there.

    • @mothafraker
      @mothafraker 3 роки тому +2

      @@GrowlingSidewinder "See, what had happened was......."

  • @interfleet522
    @interfleet522 3 роки тому +17

    Got dammit mustang! This is Ghost Rider 117, this bogey is all over me.

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 3 роки тому +20

    "God I wish I had some fox 2s..." LOL!
    Seriously LOVED this one, although I confess my enjoyment was largely derived from your frustration. Good fun.

  • @anavgeekspassion5727
    @anavgeekspassion5727 3 роки тому +48

    ooooh the Sidewinder is growling indeed! I've never seen you this frustrated before lmao.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому +16

      lol i'm just glad some people can understand this video was made in good fun and thats it. I'm not out here giving people a class about how to fly the tomcat.

  • @TovarischBinkov
    @TovarischBinkov 3 роки тому +3

    Come on baby work with me. There we go yea.- Growling Sidewinder

  • @stal2k
    @stal2k 3 роки тому +33

    I feel like your experience in the F-14 would be dramatically improved if you spent like a day or so learning to fly it :) At least 7 minutes in any way, all that shaking and instability is kind of on you - and I say that with all the love and respect in the world :)

  • @ErnestoHerreraLegorreta
    @ErnestoHerreraLegorreta 3 роки тому +15

    "...I lost visual and he's teleported behind me..."
    :-D LOL

  • @YarisTex
    @YarisTex 3 роки тому +24

    More verticality with the Tomcat against the Mirage, after a 1 circle Turn he can't follow the Tomcat and the 30mm shells should fall short. Easier said than done, but you did more of that in the second fight and created him a lot more problems.
    Great stuff, keep practicing on the Tomcat, you get the hang of it really fast.

  • @theaverageanarchist2335
    @theaverageanarchist2335 3 роки тому +31

    the f14 doesn’t respond well to being flown like a fly-by-wire, she’s an old style hydraulics aircraft and as such should be flown more like a war bird than a modern aircraft

    • @shirothehero0609
      @shirothehero0609 3 роки тому +2

      And hows that? Genuinely curious of your thoughts/assessment.

    • @theaverageanarchist2335
      @theaverageanarchist2335 3 роки тому +9

      @@shirothehero0609 the tomcat can rate fight and out run just about anything in dcs becuase of its superior thrust to weight ratio and lift. it also has proverse and inverse yaw not regulated by avionics unlike fly by wire craft. in those respects it flies much like a war bird and therefore, the knowledge of flying those aircraft can be applied here. for instance, the cat and can turn by using only its rudder (however i would not recommend this) and their use is typically needed to prevent the buffeting of wings like we saw in the video. and also smooth inputs of the stick are needed instead of jerky movements which are again regulated by fly by wire. he flew the tomcat in this fight like it was a hornet which is the opposite of what you should do

    • @Y.M...
      @Y.M... 3 роки тому

      @@theaverageanarchist2335 so rematch is in order, with a new style! Sign me up!

    • @theaverageanarchist2335
      @theaverageanarchist2335 3 роки тому

      @@Y.M... it does take some time to learn, but definitely. i know the Grim Reapers have like an hour long video explaining how to fly the cat wayyyy better than i ever could

    • @contraststriker8198
      @contraststriker8198 3 роки тому

      F14D had fly by wire

  • @krzysztofseremak2201
    @krzysztofseremak2201 3 роки тому +8

    Use rudder to stay coordinated in turn instead of //sideslip->shake->fight reversal->induce oscilation// loop as Tomcat doesn't have FBW to automatically stay coordinated for you.

  • @katsuwo6604
    @katsuwo6604 3 роки тому +7

    In this aerial battle, he repeated a makeshift maneuver without thinking about the situation ahead.

  • @rjwohlman
    @rjwohlman 3 роки тому +29

    I didn't know the f-14 had a rocking chair for an ejection seat.

    • @rjwohlman
      @rjwohlman 3 роки тому +7

      @Osama bin laden no, you don't get to fly. We know what happened last time.

    • @rjwohlman
      @rjwohlman 3 роки тому +3

      @Osama bin laden haha!

    • @miletello1
      @miletello1 3 роки тому

      @@rjwohlman hahaha

  • @mace7684
    @mace7684 3 роки тому +31

    I asked my friend who would win and he said "F-14 easily" and I went.. "If the mirage makes a mistake."

    • @Rahj2001
      @Rahj2001 3 роки тому +12

      A good f14 pilot would have no problem

    • @venomsnakeYGBSM
      @venomsnakeYGBSM 3 роки тому +26

      @@Rahj2001 A good Mirage pilot would have no problem too

    • @180791sanguinius
      @180791sanguinius 3 роки тому

      @@venomsnakeYGBSM IRL, USN F-14s have spanked Mirage 2Ks of numerous air forces without problems.

    • @venomsnakeYGBSM
      @venomsnakeYGBSM 3 роки тому +2

      @@180791sanguinius Need proof brother but i know an F22 got smoked by a Rafael a few years ago maybe a decade ago but do you mean Dogfighting (ACM) or BVR engagements

    • @venomsnakeYGBSM
      @venomsnakeYGBSM 3 роки тому

      @@180791sanguinius and were they against French pilots cause they are the best when it comes to flying their own aircraft or like Peruvian Airforce and do they have a history of dogfighting against Foreign nations cause experience plays a pivotal role in this and did you see how much growling sidewinder was struggling in this and he's the best when it comes to DCS if roles were switched and he was in the Mirage the other pilot wouldn't get one kill against him unlike Sidewinder in Dogfighting

  • @Taffaff
    @Taffaff 3 роки тому +6

    13:06 what would've happen if instead of you reversing the turn you kept turning? he would've gotten in your 6 yes but wouldn't you be able to turn faster so that even with the mirage AoA he couldn't get the shot on you?

  • @TOMCATnbr
    @TOMCATnbr 3 роки тому +2

    Next time
    Growling in the Tomcat
    Até in the Mirage
    😵

    • @floppa1-166
      @floppa1-166 3 роки тому

      Put snodgrass in the cat vs him in the mirage would be super cool

  • @MilesStratton
    @MilesStratton 3 роки тому +3

    That one had me on the edge of my seat the whole time, as frustrating as that may have been for you it was REALLY entertaining to watch.

  • @tuningobd5371
    @tuningobd5371 3 роки тому +6

    Use the FORCE! In this case... USE THE RUDDER! Stay coordinated! Load the wing and turn with rudder input ONLY (at low speed)

    • @tuningobd5371
      @tuningobd5371 3 роки тому

      @Xinnie The Pooh It's certainly not fro everyone, but if you know how to use it, it's incredibly deadly

  • @sumote1947
    @sumote1947 3 роки тому +5

    Hi GS, I want to say you convinced me to get into DCS!

  • @alje311
    @alje311 3 роки тому +5

    You know it's over when you hear the emergency hydraulics kicking in

  • @johnkenneth918
    @johnkenneth918 3 роки тому +2

    "God Damn Mirage" LOL, I always say that from the F-16 cockpit. You got balls trying to attack that agile airframe from the F-14 :)

  • @cypher1o1
    @cypher1o1 3 роки тому +3

    Got to keep your speed up in the Tomcat, speed is life, speed is love lol mach .5 to mach .8

  • @Boolag01
    @Boolag01 3 роки тому +6

    You’ve lost that loving feeling..

  • @lukasvillar9328
    @lukasvillar9328 3 роки тому +6

    F-14 "Dual shock" Tomcat.

  • @jerrodcorey25
    @jerrodcorey25 3 роки тому +10

    I must say I'm a bit disappointed GS, you started the fight with the wrong attitude right out of the gate and you were fighting as if you were flying The Mirage, not fighting the Mirage. Instead of fighting the Tomcat fight you started the merge at Mach 1 . . . . . you should start the merge WAY SLOWER and open your wings up turn on stability augmentation and fight the Tomcat fight. Remember if you stay at Mach 0.55 with your wings opened you can out turn that M-2000 no problem and put your nose on and waste him bro you had the completely wrong attitude from the get-go and the results showed it. Normally you are very professional and fight using the strengths of your fighter, not focusing on it's weakness. Maverick would be very disappointed in you. Would love to see you redo this fight keeping that in mind.
    ROUND 2 . You simmered down a bit and definitely flew better. EARNED THAT KILL

    • @killkesscmbn
      @killkesscmbn 3 роки тому

      Adding some flaps should also help out

  • @final_revenge
    @final_revenge 3 роки тому +12

    Hey man i love your work your one of the reasons I play dcs. However, your frustration with the plane is mainly you. I could count how many times you should have had him but I don't have enough hands. I main this plane and it surprisingly can match up to almost any plane in a dogfight.. i think if you spent some time learning her quirks you would be on top for almost all of that encounter... One thing she loves in a shudder when pointed down is rudder. Being a bigger plane means she needs more throttle as well but if you harness the shakes and hold her to the limits she will perform amazingly even as ugly as it is. She also a non computerized flight system.... its all raw which takes a bit to get used to but u prefer it. Hope you are doing well during the chaos of today's society. Take it easy.

    • @AussieGhost789
      @AussieGhost789 3 роки тому +4

      I hope he reads this and takes it on board. Blaming the jet will only slow down the learning. In my opinion the Tomcat is one of the best dogfighters in DCS. Not the most stable of gun platforms but it has the performance to get into a good shooting position, and just ease the gun cross over the target. I found myself quite frustrated watching this video and watching him blame the aircraft when he's mishandling it. And despite that, he still managed to win the second fight, which is just a testamate to the performance that the Tomcat has in a dogfight. And to whoever stumbles upon this comment... just remember 0.65 mach for best sustained rate with an amazingly small radius. That combination of good rate with small radius is what makes the Tomcat so dangerous.

    • @irvinejt93
      @irvinejt93 3 роки тому +4

      @@AussieGhost789 The Tomcat won the second fight in spite of the pilot sitting in it.

  • @maybesherlock734
    @maybesherlock734 3 роки тому +1

    tomcat is not bad ... you just haven't flown it for a long time.more u fly more u remember as exactly how it happend from first round to round 2 :D . use those flaps and u will see how fast she turns... in first round u were not using th but at the end of second u saw with flaps just how quickly u were turning . use tomcat more. love the content :D ♡

  • @rickmasseur2008
    @rickmasseur2008 3 роки тому +4

    The gratification in your voice when you finally knock out the Mirage! LOL, nice one Dude!

  • @Belkan779
    @Belkan779 3 роки тому +21

    14:17 lmfao you Jiizzed everywhere for like a minute. Good video

  • @knightonwarbeck1969
    @knightonwarbeck1969 3 роки тому +1

    What's amazing is in fight #2, you did what you did because you could. Likewise, the Tomcat did what it did because it could. The Viper, Hornet, Eagle and others can not do what you and the Cat did. It is an accomplishment, an impressive accomplishment.

  • @jcbraka3771
    @jcbraka3771 3 роки тому +3

    The A4 has a tighter turn ratio than the M-2000C actually had. One second of respect for all those TOPGUN graduated pilots. Proving that is possible to kill wasps with a cannon.

  • @Cameron0214
    @Cameron0214 3 роки тому +5

    Is the F-4 phantom in game? Would love to see some of that.

    • @schweizerluchs7146
      @schweizerluchs7146 3 роки тому +1

      BelsimTek did develop the F-4E Phantom II, but they stopped bc ED absorbed BelsimTek to help making their projects. so they terminated it to a unknown time.

    • @Mike_Romeo
      @Mike_Romeo 3 роки тому

      Only as AI but the AI in dcs is realy realy bad. Also the 3d model of the Phantom is realy bad.

    • @frankbizzoco1954
      @frankbizzoco1954 3 роки тому

      @@Mike_Romeo the F-4 model looks like its from Janes Fighters Anthology. It makes me sad: ( I hope to one day get to fly the Phantom in a module. I think it was abaoned though. Id love to SEAD with some F-16s one day.

    • @jakubdabrowski3846
      @jakubdabrowski3846 2 роки тому

      Maybe this year, as was hinted at the end of the "DCS 2022 and beyond" video

  • @slippulter8053
    @slippulter8053 3 роки тому +3

    Could you please do a fight in the MiG-21? I don’t think you ever did one before where you were piloting it, and its a great plane, and lots of fun. Maybe against an F-5?

  • @shapiro5000
    @shapiro5000 3 роки тому +4

    I don’t think I ever saw you have to work so hard for a kill!

  • @tarangsharma6102
    @tarangsharma6102 3 роки тому +2

    Was very Stressful even as i watched, but was relieved at the end of the second round.
    Tomcat pilots are probably THE GOAT.

  • @captainicelander3898
    @captainicelander3898 3 роки тому +3

    I think this is my personal all time fav video on youtube! Thank you so much bud for doing this!

  • @jerrodcorey25
    @jerrodcorey25 3 роки тому +1

    14:17 RATED PG-13
    "YES. . . .YES . . . .OH MY GOD I HIT HIM. HOLY SHIT IT WAS SO HARD. BOTH MY HANDS ARE SO SWEATY"
    14:45 RATED R
    "YES...YEEEEESSS. . . . OH THAT FEELS SO GOOD DUDE. . . . THAT FEELS SO GOOD ".
    This could be a porno script..........or just another Tomcat-gasm for Growling Sidewinder.

  • @DudemeisterNL
    @DudemeisterNL 3 роки тому +3

    I absolutely loved this vid Growl. As a big Tomcat fan an aviation geek in general, I've been following you around for a while. This fight was absolutely exciting especially round 2!
    Just a question, the Tomcat seems very wobbly since the latest update. Would the Tomcat have the same challenge fighting the Mirage before the update? I've seen you fly against planes like the Hornet and Flanker but never noticed the instability of the Tomcat before. Care to explain?

  • @F22raptor272
    @F22raptor272 3 роки тому +3

    4:00 This is how you make Ace Combat narrators

  • @mindtraveller100
    @mindtraveller100 3 роки тому +3

    15:36 The F 14 can pull 15 G´s?

  • @TwoWheeledPath
    @TwoWheeledPath 3 роки тому +1

    Amazing🙂 I've been repeatedly browsing through your videos, waiting for this to happen 😁

  • @willwong4876
    @willwong4876 3 роки тому +2

    "You almost got him *n times! " basically summarized my reaction XD

  • @MattproThe
    @MattproThe 3 роки тому +3

    11:12 the way he turn against you after that pass... really good

  • @gabrielsans_1248
    @gabrielsans_1248 3 роки тому +1

    In Argentina we re not using a mirage but in 1982 we use the mirage vs the Harrier

  • @tehanperera4
    @tehanperera4 3 роки тому +1

    After all this, what would you give the Tomcat?

  • @christianscaveniusandersen8972
    @christianscaveniusandersen8972 3 роки тому +1

    Dude the 2nd fight was ridicolously intense and super cool. Good fight from both of you. Thx 4 the vid

  • @phillm156
    @phillm156 3 роки тому +1

    But your plane looks sooo much better....even from the parachute.
    I like to see thE Rafalle vs Mirage.

    • @sebastiansalinas2672
      @sebastiansalinas2672 3 роки тому

      The Mirage 2000 is a pretty good looking plane tho ngl, but yeah the F-14’s a beauty

  • @thatbeetus1912
    @thatbeetus1912 3 роки тому +1

    it's shaking like you're driving an LLV on the highway, trust me that's some scary shit

  • @hudsonr.218
    @hudsonr.218 3 роки тому +1

    hey GS, I know this isn't related to the video (by the way, I appreciate the great videos), but I was wondering if you would recommend getting VR for DCS? I saw that you bought a rift S, but in your video you didn't seem to say if it was that good or not. Has your opinion changed since then? Would you recommend it? (I play mostly singleplayer, I don't record my gameplay).

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому +3

      No I love the VR dude I just don’t use it as much because I have a channel and I need higher resolution recording and stuff otherwise I would only be flying in vr it’s fantastic man if you can swing it money wise I think it’s a must

  • @benhardsatrio8222
    @benhardsatrio8222 3 роки тому +1

    14:57 Please tell me there are other who notice the leading edge slats only deploy on the right wing. Was it due to the hit from 30mm earlier?

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  3 роки тому

      was due to me over stressing the aircraft i think I jammed it.

  • @Bushy_P
    @Bushy_P 3 роки тому +1

    Always go vertical in the Turkey

  • @DuraLexSedLex
    @DuraLexSedLex 3 роки тому +1

    I want to see this but with Ate behind the stick of the Mirage

  • @leeludlowart237
    @leeludlowart237 3 роки тому +2

    Another awesome video my friend. Thanks for getting me through a crappy winters night in lockdown Nottingham

    • @jep1103
      @jep1103 3 роки тому

      Yes and Lincs 😊

  • @2ZZGE100
    @2ZZGE100 3 роки тому +1

    I saw 'Paco' Chierichi's interview who fought F-14A against Mirage 2000 quite often. He said, it all came down to surviving the first turn after the merge where the Mirage 2000 would pull extremely tightly, but with the delta wings it bled energy very quickly and once the pilot in the F-14 survived the first 9g turn, the tables would turn where the F-14 had the energy advantage both in the vertical, slow speed and in a turn-rate fight.

  • @philippedemoulin2902
    @philippedemoulin2902 3 роки тому +1

    You tried your best! Could you have a BVR fight with Aré. You in a Hornet and Até in a Mirage. Would normally a unfair fight but with Até? Who knows what trick I'll come up to?
    Thanks for your videos Growling.

    • @NuclearFalcon146
      @NuclearFalcon146 3 роки тому +2

      IRL fighter pilots are generally not allowed to do BVR or High Off-Boresight Fox 2 due to the tactics they have in muscle memory for that being classified. Ate is basically restricted to Guns and Fox 2s that aren't AIM-9X or R-73. I'm not even sure if he would be allowed to use the Vietnam War era AIM-7s on an F-4 Phantom if that module is ever completed. Actual fighter pilots if they play online or record footage (online or offline) have many restrictions they have to abide by that the rest of us don't have to worry about.

  • @AmericanDesertEagle
    @AmericanDesertEagle 3 роки тому +2

    That F-14 shaking shaking bruh gah damn

    • @faqirmohammadabdullah2906
      @faqirmohammadabdullah2906 3 роки тому

      it's a big girl

    • @AmericanDesertEagle
      @AmericanDesertEagle 3 роки тому

      @@faqirmohammadabdullah2906 with a vibrator

    • @DylanStahl
      @DylanStahl 3 роки тому +1

      He kept her sub 300 knots. She doesn't like it slow, she likes it smooth, steady, but with a high tempo throughout.

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy 2 роки тому +1

    lole the subtitles keep saying rape fight

  • @JETZcorp
    @JETZcorp 3 роки тому +1

    Hey GS, do you remember the Tomcat vs Mirage BVR fight we did? If possible, you should try to track down TAW_Savior (OldSaviour here on UA-cam) and do a BVR fight against his Mirage. He's much better at the tactic I was attempting, and I think it would make for great content. When I've flown against him, no matter what plane I fly he can get me with GUNS in a BVR fight. It's the craziest thing.

  • @f38stingray
    @f38stingray 3 роки тому +1

    I always thought if you got used to the TOMCAT (Mover voice), you in particular would be pretty dangerous with it. You've said you prefer the rate fight and the thing is an absolutely vicious rate righter.

  • @Spartan-jg4bf
    @Spartan-jg4bf 3 роки тому +1

    In real life a phoneix would have taken out the Mirage BVR

    • @jeandupont8501
      @jeandupont8501 3 роки тому

      French air force Mirage 2000 crews are trained to deal with BVR threats. What you said is true in theory, but far from automatic IRL.

  • @robyn5623
    @robyn5623 3 роки тому +1

    I've been waiting for this fight for ages man! Such different aircraft, I knew it would be very interesting fight. I feel your pain in the cat, I lost visual so many times. Excellent flying from both of you. The other thing I've always been curious about is the tomcat and viper in a rate fight. I've always heard both are really good but I've never seen them compete. But anyway, great video with two of my favourites. Love your vids, I've learnt loads from them and can't wait for the next.

  • @TheKenji2221
    @TheKenji2221 3 роки тому

    Why didn't you go vertical ?
    The F-14 has a much better thrust than the Mirage, no ?
    So it would make the Mirage bleed all its speed and you would just pick it up like daisy flowers

  • @chrisfitzmaurice7484
    @chrisfitzmaurice7484 3 роки тому +5

    "Yes! YESSSS! Oh, that feels so good, dude!"
    Oh... pardon me.

  • @evilrussian7679
    @evilrussian7679 3 роки тому +1

    Great fight.
    Next time you need to fight the mirage in something that is even worse in gun fights. MiG-31 for example.
    I know it us not in DCS, Just kidding.

  • @johnbrady7431
    @johnbrady7431 3 роки тому +1

    This was great flying on both your parts! Thanks for doing this video!
    About a year ago you did a video about best dogfights in DCS and never mentioned the M2KC. Knew this was coming and enjoyed it very much.
    Thanks again, great fight!

  • @CookieMonster-nt8hh
    @CookieMonster-nt8hh 3 роки тому +2

    imagine you sit at you dining table and all the sudden a Tomcat comes through the roof

  • @najabatkamal
    @najabatkamal 3 роки тому

    Hi. Man I am your regular viewer. I really like your videos and gameplays. I am waiting for hi end PC so that I can run DCS and can play matches with you. Thank you for amazing videos. Loves and likes from Pakistan.
    Request: Please Fly JF-17 and match with 5 F-15s or any jet. (1 vs 5). Thanks

  • @Groucho14E
    @Groucho14E 3 роки тому

    GS, idk if it's modeled this way in the DCS F-14, but according to NATOPS disabling Roll SAS also disables automatic wing rock suppression.

  • @astonmartinzz
    @astonmartinzz 3 роки тому

    Second battle was better than what Top Gun could even script. Hard fought! Better to be lucky than good as some say...NOT sayin GS isnt good...just that luck came in and he took it as ANY pilot would!
    Buffeting and exceeding individual wing critical angle with 'wing down' input. Hence the oscillation. At low speed and high load, his input to raise each wing spoileron effectively stalls that wing and it reverses the input of what he wants. He corrects and does the same on the other wing and the previously stalled wing regains lift since its spoileron retracts. Id love to know the fuel burn for that fight. What did you end up with at the end @Growling Sidewinder?
    When you won, the 'victory' music automatically played in my head haha. You earned that!!

  • @abdulmismail
    @abdulmismail 3 роки тому

    Ah G/S - you ejected into a housing complex and killed an entire family 4:05. You're officially a DCS War Criminal now!
    p.s. excuse my language but I f*cking hate the Tomcat. Can't control it for shit. Shakes around like I'm sitting on a washing machine during spin mode!

  • @maliburallye350
    @maliburallye350 3 роки тому

    At midth height- high altitude, the F14 doesn't work in dogfight with a great dogfighter like the Mirage 2000, JF17, F16 etc. ☹️☹️

  • @confuse3671
    @confuse3671 3 роки тому

    Did they nerf the F-14? As far as nose authority. I could have sworn that someone once said the F14 was amazing in a rate fight, 2nd only to the F16. I know the real F14 can square the circle pretty well and has the thrust to gain the speed again (unlike the F18a-d).

  • @jamesrussell7760
    @jamesrussell7760 3 роки тому

    It's really weird how unstable you found the F-14 to be. Why is that? I suppose maybe the F-14 was designed to engage with missles BVR, rather than a turning knife fight?

  • @LimaJuliett
    @LimaJuliett 3 роки тому

    F-14 vs. A-4 next? A "how many tricks can the A-4 pull out of its sleeves before Kitty finally catches it" kind of thing. :)

  • @Genital_Malaise
    @Genital_Malaise 3 роки тому

    The only thing I like more than Longshot disrespecting you is when he really pisses you off...especially if it is before he shoots you in the face...that would be a perfect trifecta for me!...but alas...no joy....still one of your best gunfights!...kudos

  • @jameshastey3058
    @jameshastey3058 3 роки тому

    I know you're doing the guns-only fight for entertainment, however a smart Tomcat pilot wouldn't get into a gunfight with a much more nimble adversary like a Mirage if it could be avoided - the T-cat pilot would use a Phoenix or Sparrow and kill the Mirage before it could get a lock on them.

  • @Hyalyago
    @Hyalyago 3 роки тому

    Should've inserted Top Gun Danger Zone music theme here. Nice flight but somehow I refuse to believe the Tomcat could always be in that inferior position against a Mirage.

  • @BobSmith-uu5kj
    @BobSmith-uu5kj 3 роки тому

    Finally somebody acknowledged it... The visibility on the tomcat is awful. I rarely go mano a mano on multiplayer but if I do, I make sure I have good sight of the enemy aircaft before dogfighting. You did great because if the mirage had had a missile extending would not have been an option.

  • @crazedpilot1
    @crazedpilot1 3 роки тому

    Imagine explaining it to the poor guy living in that house
    "Hello sir, about that tomcat that just lawn darted into you backyard, it's complicated, but could you please not tell anyone about what happened here? Also, here is a $10 bill I happen to have that might help you out with the repairs..."

  • @mcintoshdev
    @mcintoshdev 3 роки тому

    The Cat does NOT like huge aileron inputs with rudder inputs especially at slower velocities. That shaking is because your Cat is fighting not entering departured flight and going into a deadly flat spin. Lol. I just wonder if the real Tomcat behaved the same?

  • @JD96893
    @JD96893 3 роки тому

    Im a bit new to jet dogfighting, but could he not just have done a stall fight in the first fight at the beginning? The mirage was low on energy and would have stalled out far sooner, coming back on him and getting the kill could have been easy. Or am i wrong? Im more used to war bird dog fighting. Edit: second fight as well! Also fantastic video! Love the mirage dog fights, really interesting fighter!

  • @ss304_82
    @ss304_82 3 роки тому

    Just think about the unlucky inmates of the house on which you dropped an F-14. Imagine if it were your house.😱😱😱

  • @mrcoolepikkman6397
    @mrcoolepikkman6397 3 роки тому

    If this was real life I would have sooooooooooo many questions like why is America 🇺🇸 and France 🇫🇷 fighting each other if they are allies but this is just a game so its ok

  • @XfilerD
    @XfilerD 3 роки тому

    I hope the families whose house your F14 crashed on top of after you ejected are ok. You probably should check in with them... maybe send a basket of flowers or something :D

  • @brethall2006
    @brethall2006 3 роки тому

    2nd tac. You should show the high speed view more often. Really demonstrates what an all out heavy weight knock down you were in. WOW!

  • @CrazyChemistPL
    @CrazyChemistPL 3 роки тому

    I assume, had F-14 been updated further rather than funding being capped, a new single piece windshield, similar to the one in Hornet, would probably be one of the first things to happen.

  • @ladylegs
    @ladylegs 3 роки тому

    Tomcat vs F-5, how has this not been done, fighter pilot daddy?
    Or even 2 F-14s v. 2 A-4s! Fox 2s!

  • @Falkirion
    @Falkirion 3 роки тому

    Geez GS at least buy the Cat dinner first. Only way to tame that classy lady.
    Enjoyed the video. Look forward to the next

  • @gbonkers666
    @gbonkers666 3 роки тому

    F14, F15, and F16 all high the same type of 360-degree canopy....correct on the F4 though.