War Thunder DEV SERVER F-14B vs F-14A! Can we feel the difference in POWER?

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
  • Flying out the F-14B vs the F-14A to see if you can feel the difference in power!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 82

  • @dogeness
    @dogeness Рік тому +21

    The F-14B IS much better than the F-14A in a dogfight but it has to be flown a certain way. The F-14B has much better T/W but it is also heavier with higher wingloading. Thus, it has worse turn radius and instantaneous turn than the F-14A. The F-14B must be flown with correct lines to drain the F-14A of energy. If you can do that, the F-14B can win every time.

  • @jacvasdf5349
    @jacvasdf5349 Рік тому +6

    Are you familiar with managing your speed? lol This is just a WASD battle.

  • @bubblesofthecoast6393
    @bubblesofthecoast6393 Рік тому +8

    You gotta make use of those powerful engines m'dude. If I were you, I would have tried to energy trap the F-14A using the B's better thrust by going up rather than going down.

  • @christopherchartier3017
    @christopherchartier3017 Рік тому +10

    Mat, Defyn did a video comparing this to the MiG 29 and the F-14A, and it was an absolute smackdown. You're right- the MiG 29 will beat it in the first turn, and in a 1 circle (at lower airspeeds), but after that first turn it's basically all over and the MiG 29 can't pull it's nose around. The F14A is going to perform similar to it because they are at their core the same plane, but in this dogfight you really are not using the vertical enough at all- trust me, it has A LOT more power than you think. Also what do you mean the F14B is sluggish, this thing accelerates insanely fast.

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 Рік тому +2

      I think he means heavy. it does feel heavy, not like the mig 29.

    • @christopherchartier3017
      @christopherchartier3017 Рік тому

      @@braedynhoward3644 I suppose youre right on that, but the 1-1 TWR should at least help I suppose.

  • @stevenguzman2049
    @stevenguzman2049 Рік тому +16

    I hate this game and the constant amounts of unreasonable unrealistic nerf they do

    • @abidbmtt
      @abidbmtt Рік тому

      ong

    • @francoarca2122
      @francoarca2122 Рік тому +1

      They'll probably fix later, like they did with the mig 29 which had an absolute crappy fm initially

    • @francoarca2122
      @francoarca2122 Рік тому +1

      I've just watched Defyn's video and the f14b is an absolute monster if you go vertical, that's where you can really feel the difference. I highly recommend you to watch his video.

    • @stevenguzman2049
      @stevenguzman2049 Рік тому

      @@francoarca2122 Will do, thanks

  • @lukekob
    @lukekob Рік тому +10

    i love the amount of content you put out, its awsome

  • @Miratesus
    @Miratesus Рік тому +8

    They are not as good as they are in DCS, Especially the radar and AIM-54. Calling the F-14 Sluggish just points to that something is wrong.
    In DCS you basically only lose to thrust vectoring aircraft if you fly perfectly yourself in a dogfight. The F-16C being the biggest threat otherwise.

    • @meerbee2910
      @meerbee2910 Рік тому +5

      DCS is completely different than WT stop comparing them

    • @warlikecomic2022
      @warlikecomic2022 Рік тому +7

      @@meerbee2910 warthunder and dcs are indeed different. However the dcs flight models are very close to irl. He is implying that the f14B isn’t preforming like it should.

    • @Miratesus
      @Miratesus Рік тому +1

      ​@@warlikecomic2022Exactly! War Thunder consistently incorporates real-world facts into its balancing adjustments. There is a faction within the playerbase that erroneously assumes War Thunder balances plane performance solely based on arcade-style gameplay, when in reality Gaijin strives to model the game after real-life scenarios to the greatest extent possible in many cases. This is done while still ensuring user-friendly controls, and then further balancing through considerations of economy, battle rating, and statistical analysis.

  • @brodykloster2102
    @brodykloster2102 Рік тому +4

    Also when you rate fight or just fight in general in the f14 out flaps down, in the rate fight the f14 with flaps down can’t be matched and is so op

    • @andreikivorsky1726
      @andreikivorsky1726 Рік тому +2

      He did use the combat flaps

    • @killzor7714
      @killzor7714 Рік тому

      apart from a drakon as a f14 main. u can one circle faster but if u miss the drakon will dance around u

  • @jg14gerhard_bar
    @jg14gerhard_bar Рік тому +4

    much more powerful engines = you need to force vertical fights preferably up to mid alt. pretty sure neither a Mig or 14A will be able to keep up with the B in that regard at all. you were able to pull off that loop at 4:00 because of this.

    • @bubblesofthecoast6393
      @bubblesofthecoast6393 Рік тому

      Defyn did an overview of the dev server where he showed the F-14B vs F-14A where he went vertical and really showed how much a difference in thrust makes

  • @jayklink851
    @jayklink851 Рік тому +7

    Last year, I would have never said this, but I now prefer the MLD to the F4J and F-16; was never much of an F-14 player. Seriously though, the R-24s, even though their range is limited, are so MUCH more reliable; especially since nearly everyone flies on the deck these days. *Maybe not "prefer", but easier kills.

    • @Daakkii
      @Daakkii Рік тому +2

      the radars on the the mig 23s kinda suck tho

    • @jayklink851
      @jayklink851 Рік тому

      @@Daakkii That they do!

    • @glossjunkies6026
      @glossjunkies6026 Рік тому

      That’s how I feel loving my F4S more then the f16

  • @blacklung1420
    @blacklung1420 Рік тому +5

    I think the F-14 is much better at DCS

    • @Goober_____
      @Goober_____ Рік тому +2

      Don’t compare dcs to warthunder. Seek made a whole video on this.

    • @abidbmtt
      @abidbmtt Рік тому +8

      @@Goober_____ not an excuse for flight models to be unrealistic

    • @Goober_____
      @Goober_____ Рік тому +3

      @@abidbmtt cmon this is warthunder we are talking about

    • @abidbmtt
      @abidbmtt Рік тому +2

      @@Goober_____ ye but imo instead of making unrealistic nerfs they should just raise their br and at the same time stop the br compression, BOOM 2 problems solved in 1 move

    • @TheDAWinz
      @TheDAWinz Рік тому +2

      @@abidbmtt What’s funny is that DCS flight models are more unrealistic than war thunder 😂 the only “unrealistic”flight models war thunder has are early cold war british ones because the british did not write anything down at all during that time. Even then the guesses are close enough.

  • @braedynhoward3644
    @braedynhoward3644 Рік тому +2

    The best way to fight the A with the B os to drain it of its energy. The A will be able to point its nose on several occasions, kinda like the Mig 29, but avoiding the nose and continuing to use your thrust and speed retention advantage, as well as using the vertical, you will be able to stomp the A with the B.

  • @jacobbaumgardner3406
    @jacobbaumgardner3406 Рік тому +5

    Well it makes sense since the airframe is the same. Several DCS content creators mentioned the same, where the difference in a dogfight wasn’t huge. Not that it matters since a Tomcat isn’t going to be beating a Mirage or MiG-29 in the first turn anyway. The extra power however does mean that it’s extended fighting ability is much higher. That is what I am looking forward to.

  • @SuprememK4275
    @SuprememK4275 Рік тому +1

    To be honest you could of won the fight at 2:28 or something like that if you pulled hard rudder and held the trigger

  • @jonathanfarrell14
    @jonathanfarrell14 Рік тому +1

    some people are failing to realise that its still going to handle like a tomcat the only difference is its going to be better in a rate fight down to its better engines. similar to the different phantoms we have they all handle in a similar fashion

  • @topaz2821
    @topaz2821 Рік тому

    Dude seeing you take that f14 into the vertical so much was painful

  • @MattyLMurda
    @MattyLMurda Рік тому

    Bro let go of afterburner hit the speed break when turning then rip the throttle back up for pull turn potential

  • @kilowolf5488
    @kilowolf5488 Рік тому

    "The F-14A to F-14A+ (redesignated F-14B) upgrade produced remarkable results in aircraft performance, with a 43% increase in reheated thrust, a 37% increase in dry thrust, 30% lower fuel burn in reheat, 62% greater intercept radius, and about a 30% improvement in endurance on station and combat radius, all with a much more reliable engine with unrestricted handling. Variants of the F110 are now widely used on the F-16C, are the standard powerplant on the F-14B/D, and have been tested on the F-15E."

    • @kilowolf5488
      @kilowolf5488 Рік тому

      The difference should be HUGE just in engine power alone

  • @rags417
    @rags417 Рік тому

    Operation Praying Mantis 1988, alternate history - US F-14B Tomcats versus Iranian F-14As. Oh yeah, I would have paid money to see that !

  • @Und3rpr3ssur3_Gaming
    @Und3rpr3ssur3_Gaming Рік тому

    Hi, MatAWG here's a thought, don't go full sweep in the Tomcat the whole fight. Sure, it can give you that extra AOA in key moments but overall, at least from what I've noticed it will ultimately leave you with unnecessary and excessive wing drag. I've noticed that a wing sweep at roughly 27% will give you near-optimal desired turns. Having wings sweep to 27% produces less drag for the F-14 Tomcat while also allowing it to maintain a greater amount of speed for the dogfight. I've experimented with it using my F-14A Early Tomcat and it would seem that it helps but I would imagine it would help to a greater degree on the F-14B Tomcat. Just a thought. You can try it out to see if it works for you.

  • @rags417
    @rags417 Рік тому

    My understanding is that the GE F-404 was optimized for low end acceleration while the Pratt and Whitney TF30 was designed for top end acceleration. This is keeping with their intended roles - the -A model was designed solely to be a fleet defence interceptor, it had to get up, get high and get fast to intercept incoming Soviet bombers before they got into launch range. The -B model was designed to turn the Tomcat into more of an all around fighter - better low end and thus better dogfighting ability, better avionics and of course the increase in air to ground munition options.
    In game another thing I would point out is that the -B model lost the wing root leading edge extensions. These were designed to increase turn rate at low speeds, they may have been removed due to their providing marginal benefit considering the cost, maintenance load etc, or because the increase in low end power was assumed to make up for their loss.

  • @Enigma03C
    @Enigma03C Рік тому

    Having a better engine i dont understand why you are not using it, this is the same problem i saw when you were fighting the mirage 2000 in the mig 29 and that is you're not using your strenght.
    of course it depends on the pilot its the same plane, but at the same time the F-14B just has more thrust while here you are trying to dogfight the same plane as yours, which is fine in the 2 circle fight not so much on 1 circle fight as the A will just be slower then you and slot on your six

  • @12LoLproductions
    @12LoLproductions Рік тому

    The best fighter I have is the MF for Germany, though I would rather grind USSR with my 25K

  • @MrRobschnieder
    @MrRobschnieder Рік тому

    I think people need to use the takeoff and landing flaps on the B to beat the A, youre getting like 20% more thrust so you can bleed the extra speed youll normally get with the flaps and pull harder in the 2 circle. Could also try to go 2 circle and keep the nose pointed up high enough you dont lose speed but the A would?

  • @HaartieeTRUE
    @HaartieeTRUE Рік тому

    I think the acceleration in a straight line is just better and more linear

  • @solum9971
    @solum9971 Рік тому

    We have to get our game back or leave it to die

  • @emadyanni8360
    @emadyanni8360 Рік тому

    Omg ! Iwas Think U F-14 Player all this time OMG !

    • @matawg
      @matawg  Рік тому

      Cant tell if you are joking or not hahaha

  • @dofense9991
    @dofense9991 Рік тому

    F14a ComPresSeR sTaLl

  • @hannesbjorkqvist9062
    @hannesbjorkqvist9062 Рік тому

    10 min

  • @divine4582
    @divine4582 Рік тому

    thoughts on the economy situation right now?

    • @matawg
      @matawg  Рік тому

      Already posted a vid on it

  • @igorcosta-hh2ud
    @igorcosta-hh2ud Рік тому +1

    O problema é que warthunder não simula compressorstall, o f14A tem muito esse problema e o vigem também

  • @vittorioqwerty
    @vittorioqwerty Рік тому

    First

  • @linok4595
    @linok4595 Рік тому

    LOVE YOU MAT❤🎉

  • @The_ragingJewZionist
    @The_ragingJewZionist Рік тому +1

    Your a mig pilot because they take no skill

    • @matawg
      @matawg  Рік тому +1

      No im a mig pilot since the mig15 was first added back almost 10 years, I hate sluggish aircraft such as the Phantom and the f14

    • @The_ragingJewZionist
      @The_ragingJewZionist Рік тому

      @MatAWG I understand I'm just giving u a hard time I enjoy the content do u know when patch might drop

    • @The_ragingJewZionist
      @The_ragingJewZionist Рік тому +1

      ​@MatAWG but we all know irl those migs would get stopped by us aircraft

    • @Red_Lion2000
      @Red_Lion2000 Рік тому

      @@The_ragingJewZionist You only think that because the US only attacks poor countries that can barely defend themselves or scrape an airforce together, if they even have an airforce at all.
      Migs are very potent aircraft, when they arent outdated export versions fighting a nation that values war and military spending over the health and safety of its people.

  • @stevenguzman2049
    @stevenguzman2049 Рік тому +1

    ITS LIKE THE 1 to 1 THRUST RATIO DOESNT EXIST! this better stop!

    • @meerbee2910
      @meerbee2910 Рік тому +1

      almost as if optimal isn't always how it plays out

    • @andreikivorsky1726
      @andreikivorsky1726 Рік тому

      He is using combat flaps maybe that's why it was always constant 500kph loops and not faster.

    • @stevenguzman2049
      @stevenguzman2049 Рік тому

      @@andreikivorsky1726 Doesn’t the normal F-14 stalls if you try to constantly loop?

    • @andreikivorsky1726
      @andreikivorsky1726 Рік тому

      @@stevenguzman2049 sorry, by loop I meant horizontal circles, not vertical loop. Pretty much all planes in the game right now will run out of energy if they do vertical loops repeatedly (yes, f16 and mig29 included). But idk about F14b, since it has prop-like energy retention, it might not stall as easily.

    • @francoarca2122
      @francoarca2122 Рік тому

      I highly recommend you guys to watch Defyn's last video, the f14b is an absolute monster if you go vertical.

  • @Tony-yj5bx
    @Tony-yj5bx Рік тому +2

    The F14B is far better, Gajin just sucks. if it was a mig this would be a UFO

    • @Tony-yj5bx
      @Tony-yj5bx Рік тому +1

      In real life the thrust is much more then the A. And speed wise would just pull more thrust. It’s clearly a copy paste with a tad bit more speed.

    • @Red_Lion2000
      @Red_Lion2000 Рік тому

      It beats the mig29 in a dogfight, dummy. Now maybe US players will stop crying for a while.
      But probably not.

  • @usesrnaiyme
    @usesrnaiyme Рік тому +1

    you guys don't get how the engines work, the Tomcat B has engines that were designed for fighters while the Tomcat A has engines that were meant for bombers. the one disadvantage the A had compared to the B is not modeled in war thunder. the A had compressor stall problems. The engines being "improved" is misleading. the extra thrust also doesn't really do anything because not only is the B heavier, but the the A's engines act like ram jets once supersonic. You guys look at paper stats way too much.

    • @Red_Lion2000
      @Red_Lion2000 Рік тому

      Clearly it helps because it beats the f14A and mig29 in a dogfight.

    • @Red_Lion2000
      @Red_Lion2000 Рік тому

      @@toyotawitha20mm35 just watch Defyns video, it has better sustained turn rate than the 29.